June 11, 2026

Yowie, Portals, and the Spirits of the Outback with Dr. John A. King

Yowie, Portals, and the Spirits of the Outback with Dr. John A. King
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Yowie, Portals, and the Spirits of the Outback with Dr. John A. King
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Dr. John A. King joins Bennett for a deep dive into Australian indigenous stories, the Yowie, sacred land, portals, ancestors, shapeshifters, and the thin veil between worlds. This conversation explores why ancient stories may preserve survival knowledge, spiritual warnings, and memories of realities modern people have forgotten how to see.

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The Awi. In America, bigfoot sasquatch is something that a

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fringe few believe in, as opposed to amongst the Imbrani

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or Aboriginal. It's an acceptance that they just were and

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they're called their name is Benny. Well, there are big

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people there. Well where do they live? Well, they don't

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want to be seen, and we won't tell you because

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it's part of our sacred law.

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Broadcasting seeds.

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Broadcasting seeds plant truth in the minds.

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Of the people. All right, Doctor John A. King, Welcome

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to broadcasting seeds. I might do me a favor and

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tell everybody who you are and where they can find you.

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Sure and well I can find me, Doctor John A. King.

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Dr j O h n a k a n G

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dot com, Doctor John A King dot com. And who

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I am. That's a long story. I'm an author. I'm

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a writer, lover of one woman who's got four chickens

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that tolerate me and a dog that puts up with me.

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An Indigenous Australian transplanted to Texas, a glorious American citizen. Y'all,

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which my wife says, I'm not allowed to My wife's

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I'm not allowed to say, she said, that's terrible. The

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agreement is if she doesn't do Australian actions. I going

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y'all and just you know, yeah, yeah, so that's me man,

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working non profit area, working a range of other things,

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funding the dream.

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Yeah, Man for sure. So I'll just say too, you

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run a thing called man Church, which is amazing.

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So we got a good one coming up this time,

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the Alien Edition. Manchurts, the Alien Edition.

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So I missed last week. I missed last the last

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one because it was my wife's birthday.

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So yeah, well, okay, we'll give you a free pass.

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I'll send you. I'll send you the link to the

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Man Church. That was it was. It was really cool.

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But this one mean. I saw one of your videos

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on one of your links when you talked about the

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whole I demon conspiracy stuff, and I thought, you know what,

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I'm hearing too much of this chatter about and very

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few people pushing back. So I thought, you know, I'm

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going to take take what I do in terms of theology,

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what I'm passionate about, and say, let's look at this

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from a theological point of view, because, as you said,

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none of us should be in fear over this. No,

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this is fear is the wrong response. Faith is a response.

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I mean, they weren't fear, but that's not what we

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should give it.

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And that's exactly because that's playing into it anyway. That's

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a different story. That's one of those conspiracy theories things

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we do before and after.

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But that's what this podcast is about. So you know

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that's all fane and dandy. So you brought up earlier

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that you're Australian and come from an indigenous background. So

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like before we get into the Yawi which is which

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is so amazing and strength and other strange creatures, what

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what was your experience growing up around Australian stories like

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bush legends and old warnings and stuff.

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So sadly, actually my stories are all new. So the

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Australian government had a policy to breed the blackout and

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uh melan and in the in Aboriginals as recessive. So

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by the time they get to the third generation, the

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blonde haired, brown eye like I was. And so there's

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a great film called rabbit Proof Fence which shows a

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really honest depiction about some of my family members and

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what they went through. So we're taking off our mothers,

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taken away from our families and putting your fine fat.

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So I found my family two years ago when I

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was sixty, and so all of these stories and our

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experiences are you know, under three years old. The stories

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from my brothers, the stories from my grandfathers, the things

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that I saw, the ancestors that appeared, the spirits speaking

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in the wind. I mean, you know, I'm reformed in

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my theology and Pentecostal in my experience, my doctorates in theology.

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And if I was to tell this stuff in a

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Baptist church in Texas, meth bade throwing eggs and Bibles

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because they think it's a threat. The thing I bring

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it back to is God says you'll have no other

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gods before me, which means there are other gods, and

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there are other entities, and we just need to be

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comfortable with the fact that we're living in a very

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complex spiritual environment. And that's what I experienced in Australia

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more than anything Bennett was the veil was so thin

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out with my family ail between the what you see

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and what you don't see, it's so very thin. It

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would just cross over in spaces. There was just like

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a transparency where you would just walk through it and

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see things and experience things that you know, I think

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in our Western culture.

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We're just so blase about and tuned out from wow.

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I mean God even calls them gods in the in

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the Bible.

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Right, he's pretty he's pretty self assured.

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He's pretty comfortable with calling gods too, So you know.

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He doesn't really need our affirmation. He's got to I got.

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This absolutely yeah, true story. So what was that? Rabbit Proofence?

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Rabbit Proofence is a movie. It talks about the Stolen

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Generation and it'll actually show you what happened to and

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still happens to our people. You know, we're only declared

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human back in nineteen sixty seven. We're allowed to vote,

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and we weren't seen as as part of the fauna

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and flora were actually brought into the constitution. It was

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still illegal to speak language up until nineteen ninety five.

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So you know, it's a lot of history, but you

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go back. So if you think about it, it's the

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oldest culture in the world, older than the Pyramids, older

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than Babylon everything else. And our creation stories are phenomenal,

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they're biblically accurate, and our stories about how our ground

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was cultivated, and so we've got stories about dogs that

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are the size of horses. And one of the totems

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for my people is the gunaper and the gounaper is

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any dog now. But if you talk to my grandfather,

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he will tell you that his father walked with dogs

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that were the size of horses. And this was just

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this was just a commonplace thing. Like the aUI in America,

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bigfoot sasquatch is something that a fringe few believe in

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as a poe to amongst the Mbrani or Aboriginal. It's

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an acceptance that they just were and they're called their

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name as benny. The word Yahoo actually comes from yaoi.

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It's one of the derivatives of it, and the word

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yaoi means large person, large hairy person. And there are

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still people who talk about the large people and their

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tribes that will ignore. And when we talk about tribes,

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we're talking about a generation of people that first saw

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a white people for the very first time sixty years ago.

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So those people walk with the big people, and it's

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just it's not a fable, it's not a law. It

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doesn't need to be confirmed by European governments. It's just, well,

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there are big people there. Well, where do they live, well,

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they don't want to be seen and we won't tell

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you because it's part of our sacred law. Right, Yeah,

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there's just acceptance. It's not. And this is what was

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interesting is it's it doesn't come with the conspiracy and

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the shame, and they hidden and hardly discussed amongst the

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Ambrani or the black people, amongst the European You're afraid

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you talk to Aboriginals about It's like, what do you mean,

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you that believe in the how? It's like you're an idiot.

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It's like, it's exactly the polar opposite to what we

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get here.

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It's part of the actual culture.

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So it's part of our law, our sacred teachings and

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our law. And you know, some of the things I

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saw the shape shifters are part of our law. I've

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seen shape sisters. I've been on the other end of

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their evil.

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You know.

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I've been guided by ancestors and world winds to hunt

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food and catch food welcomed on the country. All of

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these things are just part of our spiritual experience.

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Yeah, so so let's let's get into it a little bit.

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You've got you've got, you know, the Australian Bigfoot the

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yawi uh I mean, is there any differences really?

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I mean, you've been in America quite a while, yeah, so,

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and you know, is there is there any distinct differences

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between the two.

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Or there's there's two parts and one of them's law

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and one of them's what we would call a reality,

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I suppose in a Western terms. And the law is

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that there's a big man, a big hairy man, and

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in his accountable and he takes and eats children. And

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that was often used by parents to make sure that

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kids didn't do it, you know, the original boogey man.

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But but but even within our law, we understand that

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that's the purpose of that. So what the role of

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yaowi is and there's lots of different name the pucka

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lunga we would call them, the wild man, is to

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is to make sure that country is respected and that

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if people are coming onto country, particularly in Brahani, are

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Aboriginal and they don't expect the country, then there will

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be consequences for that. And that's some of the things

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that you hear about was when tribes versus tribes in

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vocal get involved in the wrong thing, then there are

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consequences for that. One thing that I did see when

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I was over there. My brothers told me that yow

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he comes with a particular odor and it's like wet

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rope and mold and like all that sort of stuff,

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and and Yowi nest. You'll smell it first and then

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you'll see it. And the Yowi nest it's all the sticks.

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They're in a perfect circle, and all the sticks slope inwards.

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They don't fall flat, they're all propped up and they're

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woven like a nest. And I remember I was out

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walking by myself and I was like, what what is this?

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And my brother MJ told me about it, and he said,

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if you smell it, speak out loud, tell them who

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you are. I'm Jinger, a carding moneywani. I'm a man

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who comes up out of the red dirt. My name

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is Junoo. And there's something that we do. We break

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off a branch of eucalypt and we brush the ground

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as we go and we pronounce our skin name. I'm here.

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I'm a man who's been through ceremony. I'm welcoming and

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I ask you to allow me to be on. And

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I got to this place and I'm telling you brother.

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There was one of these circles. I smelled it before

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I saw it, and I walked up on it, and

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it's like, okay, you know, and there's a series of

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things I can't talk about, but things you have to

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do and say, and you have to be careful so

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you're back out of that space respectfully. And you know,

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that was one of a series of things that happened

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when I was there. There was another story. So there's

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so in the American Sorry, in America, it's all about bigfoot.

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In Australa, there's big and little. There's the big man,

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and there's the little furry women and the little furry

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women they inhabit women's sites. So in Aboriginal law there's

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men's business and women's business and the little furry women.

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They're custodians. If a man goes to a woman's site

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without being invited, the story is that the little women

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follow them home and they check on them in their marriages.

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And that that happened to me one night. So we're

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out there. We went into a women's site. Melissa so

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her skin name is Nangla, and so we went out

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to this women's site one day and one of the

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lady says said, listen, you know if you if you

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hear a noise tonight and you and you just you know,

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just be aware that some of these women sometimes follow

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men home. And so, brother, I'm lying there. It's beautiful,

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it's quiet. There's nothing I mean. And I know, I

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know you can imagine thinking, I'm not I'm not that guy.

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We're talking black sky, no lights, there's no lights in

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the middle of the outback. There is just beautiful, beautiful

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skies with white pinpricks. And I wake up and I

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look out of my out from under the tarp I

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was sleeping on, and in this tree about four feet

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up are these two bright red eyes the size of

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my thumbs, and it's surrounded by this bur ball of

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and that's just looking okay. And and the law is,

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and you've got to know the law. The law is

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that if you're in a faithful relationship with your wife,

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then they'll leave you a lot. If not, they'll have

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sex with you or just mess with you. That's the law.

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So I'm sitting there good now, and I'm seeing this

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ball of fluff in a tree about five feet off

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the ground, staring at me, and I go, my name

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is jun. My wife's name is Nangala, and I'm very

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happily married and I'm a really good husband.

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Please go, my gosh, that's please go away, Please go away,

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please go staring at me.

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So, yeah, the little ferry women, they're responsible for the

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women's sites. So anywhere you go, you will always you're

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just about will always have it encounter with something when

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you leave. If you're a man in one way, shape

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or form. So and that's just common. It's common. It's

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this is not exceptional. It's just a it's a common thing.

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So in your view, is this stuff more of like

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a flesh and blood creature or a spiritual being? I

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mean it's it's it's both, right, or is it one

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or the other?

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For you guys, it's a physical being with spiritual properties. Yeah,

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so it's very much. This is very much a fleshing.

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But these things bleed, they fight, they've got teeth, they've

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got claws. They're hairy. Some are hairy, some aren't. The

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ones that live in the west and in the middle

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of the western desert, they're less hairy. They just look

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like large, larger men. You know, they're so you know,

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they're probably ten to twelve feet in American terms, very

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long limbed, very strong, very they can pick up whole trees.

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You know, there's lots of stories about that. And then

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there's a small women and they have the capacities to.

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Portals portals.

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So so in some of our law, there's a thing

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called a kadatia or a feather man, which the closest

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I could analogy I would say would be like, they're

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not a medicine man in terms of holistic thing, because

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that's a good and girl. I'm a gul and girl.

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I'm a keeper of songs and law, so that's the

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good side of the force. A feather man is someone

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that that serves both sides of it. And often they'll

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traverse country from portal to portal, and there's stories about

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Yaoi doing the same thing and frequency, and you know,

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some of our old people, if you'll travel with them

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in cars. My my grandfather would tell me stories of

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his grandmother and when they would travel from where we

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are and we're Amongo down to Alice Springs, it's you know,

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it's five or six hour drive, so they'll get to

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singing and then they'll be there and those stories are

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not on they're not. These are not uncommon stories. And

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you know, I was there one night and there was

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there was a particular guy in town who was he

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was a dark side of the force. And they're called

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feather men because they would take emu feathers and they

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would coat the bottom, they would make shoes out of them,

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and then they because they would leave no track. So

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again human but with a spiritual aspect. And you know,

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people will hear talk of shape shifters and they won't

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believe I've seen a shape shifter. I've seen someone change

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into something and change out or something. So you know,

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you can't deny that. You know what, wasn't drinking. I'm

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not a drug taker. I'm a Christian spiritual man. And

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this particular thing happened and this person changed into like

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a fruit bat, but six or seven foot four, massive

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wing span, big big points, standing up log legs bent

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like dogs, but standing up on two things. And he

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was a very evil man. And I know who he

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was because in town he has this reputation. So it

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was out all on spiritual confrontation between good and evil.

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And yeah, it's exactly like a skin walker. It's the same.

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If you haven't look, you know people search for that

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and say, skin walker, this is exactly what it is.

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It's that same spirit, it's that same demonic entity. And

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so you've got that side of things, and I think

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people get associated and they see that negative side of

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you know, the spiritual manifestations. But then there's all the

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other stuff of the really good stuff, really cool and

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fun stuff that I saw while I was there, and

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I think, you know, when people get tied up on

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these things, they lose sight of some of that. There

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is good and evil, and you can if you will,

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you know, there's just a lot of things to investigate

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and a lot of things to see.

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Yeah, what is a bunny ap a bunyip?

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A bunyip is? It's a story of law and it's

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it's well, it's a little bit like a drop bear,

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you know, there's it's one of those things you know,

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there there's stories and kids. It's it's not something that's

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part of a traditional law traditional it's more part of

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European storytelling, morphed out of Aboriginal law.

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Just it's something I came up with, came up with,

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and I wasn't I had never heard of it before.

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So there's a few things like that.

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Yeah, what other Australian folk beings or creatures are there

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that Americans should know about?

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I think. I think one of the biggest things is

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the roles our ancestors played to us, like our ancestors

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are with us. I remember being out one night and

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there was a guy that did something really stupid and

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I had to take off with him to try and

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get him and bring him back. And it was dark,

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I mean pitch black. We had we had no shoes,

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no water, we'd been out for four hours, we were dehydrated,

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we were totally disorientated. I was disorientated trying to track

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this guy down and help him. And literally, there's one

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particular mountain called moon Dreaming, which is very important to

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my people. And these beings floated out from this mountain

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and they were long and they were thin, and they

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were ethereal and they stopped and we talked, and they

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literally pointed the way that we were to go, and

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so we walked off in that direction. And on the

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other end, my brother and my grandfather came towards us

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and says, we were waiting here for you. They said,

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to meet you at this spot. So and that was

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like on an average Tuesday at about nine pm. It

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was just one of those things. And I remember going

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hunting one day, and you always welcome yourself under country.

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And there's a bit of a thing that's in Australia

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and our call to welcome the country, and it's a

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really political and political correct and it's not how it's

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not how law works. And we see it starting to

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happen in places like Canada and some of the you know,

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with people do welcome the countries as a performance for money.

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In law, it means that you literally are welcoming another entity,

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personal being onto your land. And one of the things

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we're always encouraged to do is to welcome and pronounce

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ourselves when we come on a country. And I remember

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doing that and going on in the country and declaring

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I'm here because I needed to find food. I was hunting,

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go Anna, I needed to get some dinner. And this

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whirlwind spun up out of the ground, and the whirlwind

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laughed like twelve year old girls. And so it's laughing

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like twelve year old girls. And my brother taught me said,

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anything happens, you stop and you talk to it. You

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don't ever get fearful because your juenera cutting money. Honey,

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you are a man who comes up with the red soil.

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Your skin name gives your passport to this place. Talk

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to it and these whirlwind and this laughter started to happen,

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and it started to move off like little kids scared,

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you know, running away, And I said, come back, come back,

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cut him money, money, jun or I have come to

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find food. And the moment that said this is going,

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I popped up out of the ground at my feet

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and this thing was about four or five feet long.

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It's a big old lizard. And I so I riffed

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down and grabbed this thing by the tail and pulled

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it up. And these things are blind and if you

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let him go, they run to the closest thing that's

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taller than them, which is normally you, and they will

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just shred you up. So I'm holding this thing by

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the bloody hair. Go I don't know what to do.

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So I called MJ. Because you understand I haven't grown

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up on country. I had no idea. I'm boldly walking

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out there and I'm holding this bloody big go in.

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I go, MJ. What do I do? He goes, brother, Yeah,

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hit it on the head. You hit it on the

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head and take it in for dinner. That's what you do.

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What are you? Bloody white fella snumped the crap out

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of his goanner and took it om and ate it.

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And but coming back was interested. So coming back, I'd

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walked an hour and a half and I'd spent two

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hours out there hunting, so I knew how long because

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I timed it. I had my garment, I timed it,

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I had the direction everything I was turning back. I

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can only tell you what happened. It was a fifteen

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minute walk home. That's all it was. I was in

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one place and then I was somewhere else, and I

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don't know what happened in that, in that that couple

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of miles. All I know is that I didn't walk them.

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I was somewhere where I encountered ancesses. Then I was

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back at camp, and so I sit down and I go, brother,

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this happened. He goes, oh yeah, so what.

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Do you mean. Oh yeah, oh yeah, it happened.

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Oh yeah, that's what happens. Brother. You're out camping and

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you need to get have supper because we're all waiting. Yeah, yeah, okay,

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have you got the goanna? Yeah? All right, come on,

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cool it.

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Well, you forget about it here I am. It's just.

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Something happened.

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He goes, you're out there, it's time for dinner and

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you need to be helme.

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You brought food home like you were supposed to do.

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That's what you're supposed to do during the rye.

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That's amazing. Wow.

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So there was all those and there's there's stories about

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Granddad told me a story about this fellow and he

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did the wrong thing by a girl, and he, uh,

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the family called up a feather man, a good archie man.

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There's something called pointing the bone in Aboriginal law, and

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it's a curse, and these other ones. There's another concept

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called the spear in the leg. So granddad saw this

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when he was a kid. This fellow was in a

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house and these these feather men came into town and

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he laid a spear on the ground and then he

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sung up a song. The spear hovered to eighteen inches

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off the ground, directly at the door where this fellow

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was that had messed around with this young girl. And

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he was locked in that house for three days as

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his spear hovered there, and they had to go up

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up up to another township and bring back some of

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the artists to sing the songs down and break it.

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Because that spear was like a missile locked in. It

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was hovering over the ground and it sat there and

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kept this guy locked in his hut. And so this

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isn't This isn't stuff that happened in the fifteen hundred

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and sixteen. These are stuff that happened in you know,

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nineteen sixties and seventies.

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Yeah, wow, you know. So American folk are especially in

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like the Apple, like Appalachia, there are often like warning.

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Plus I've interviewed some some Navajos and we talk about

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war against like whistling at Nate or answering strange voices

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in the woods. Are there similar warnings in Australian bushlore?

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Ah, there are not so much like that. There are

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places you go, and there's places you don't go. There

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are there, and it's and it's gender based. Everything is

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gender based. There's men's business and women's business.

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And that was my next question, like listener places where

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people traditionally avoid because here you do because they're considered

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spiritually dangerous period.

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Yeah they are. And and so it's the men's site.

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Men go there and there's one particular mountain just outside

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of place called Tenant Creek, which is in the mirror

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or what that's the European name where among it? And

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there's one the road splits and on the left hand

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side as women. But you can tell it's women's business

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because it's a heel and it looks like boobs, And

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on the right hand side it's men's business because it

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looks like a dick. You know, we're not that creative.

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Can We've been around for forty five thousand years. We're

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not too complicated.

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Pretty pretty clear cut, pretty clear cut.

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And there was a bunch of European women and they

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they literally climbed as they were told not to by locals.

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So we want to go climb that house that you shouldn't, Well,

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why shouldn't you? We are women. Well you've got no ride,

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and we've got women's right and we can go anywhere, right, okay.

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And two of them disappeared, and one came back crazy, Wow,

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they just got lost in the hills. And two totally disappeared,

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and one came crazy babbling about what she saw and

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what happened to her. No one could understand, and we

465
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just said and the blackfellows in town. The men, the

466
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:43.400
elders will they will tell you what happened, because what

467
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:46.240
she was talking about is it's part of the secret

468
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:49.759
men's business. And that's what's really interesting, and that's why

469
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:53.119
there's not a lot of discussion really about those sort

470
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:56.839
of things. So around the coast of Australia most most

471
00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:58.720
of if not all, the law and the stories have

472
00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:02.200
disappeared because all the sacred sites have been turned into

473
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:05.839
car parks and parking lots. But in the middle of

474
00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:08.160
Australia that's and my people are one of them. That's

475
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.920
very few places where ceremony actually still takes place. So

476
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:13.759
in the middle of the countries where you get the

477
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:17.480
law and the stories, and those laws and stories aren't

478
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.400
to be shared. The things I'm sharing, i've actually I've

479
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:22.440
got permission to share. I know what I can share

480
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:25.400
and I can't share. But so the real stories, the

481
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:28.640
stuff that's hidden, if you were to go there and

482
00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:30.920
sit on the ground with my brothers, they would tell

483
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:33.559
you stories just beg why the nature of who you are.

484
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:36.839
I know my brothers, but if anyone else want, they're

485
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:38.319
not going to tell them. They're not going to talk

486
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:39.799
to the white fellows. They're not going to take them

487
00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:41.319
to your east sites. They're not going to take them

488
00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:44.880
to portals. I've been to portals. I know what portals are.

489
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:47.799
I had families take me there, and there's and you know,

490
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:50.680
and that's where you hear not these stories which I'm

491
00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:52.240
allowed to tell, but all the others that you're not

492
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:54.640
allowed to tell about why they use and when they're used,

493
00:27:55.640 --> 00:28:00.480
and and that's the thing. So what's in America culture

494
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:04.440
there seems to be this wide ranging discussion. In Australian culture,

495
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:07.640
there's some sightings. Most of what happens on two occasions,

496
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:10.759
there's acceptanced by blackfellows that this is just how life is.

497
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:13.640
And because we accept that, we don't talk about it

498
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:16.319
because we're really not supposed to. And then there's a

499
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:18.680
whole bunch of Westerners who saw it and they're busy

500
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:20.680
fighting with each other over whether or not they saw

501
00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:23.200
what they wanted, and the blackfellows are going, ea, I

502
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:24.680
ain't going to get involved with a whole bunch of

503
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:27.480
white fellows. I'm going to tell I'm going to tell

504
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.599
you my stories. Because you had the students the drivers

505
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:31.519
of about Land or.

506
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:38.599
Somewhere, do you think modern people have lost the ability

507
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:46.000
to understand layered stories and stories that can be historical, spiritual, moral,

508
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:48.319
and symbolic all at once.

509
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:51.920
Both think so, I think that's what Tolkien was trying

510
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.720
to do with bringing back, you know, the Lord of

511
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:57.559
the Rings. He said very openly that the United Kingdom

512
00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:01.039
had lost its way, and Christianity in particular had lost

513
00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:03.640
a hero story, and he talked about christ having the

514
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:08.440
greatest hero story of all time. And I think, well,

515
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:12.000
if you look at something like Netflix, Netflix will tell

516
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:13.960
you that the way they make movies now is they

517
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:16.720
make them for people who scroll on phones. They're so

518
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:20.480
poorly made. You've got to restate the plot two or

519
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:23.680
three times because people are going to the bathroom on

520
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:25.400
their phones. They do it, and you've got to look

521
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:28.160
every fifteen minutes. The rules are, you've got to restate

522
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:32.559
the story. And whereas if you look at law from

523
00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:37.720
Indigenous people, these stories. A grandfather starts with a child

524
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:41.039
from the moment it's bored telling them their stories and

525
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:44.880
their law, so that the entire life that child has

526
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:49.799
raised with what we would call myth. And we say myth,

527
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.960
we don't believe myth. But in law indigenous you say

528
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:56.599
myth and their stories to guide for life, like the

529
00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.319
stories of the crow. And we've got one story about

530
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:04.720
the crow and the kangaroo and how the crow and

531
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:08.279
the kangaroo ran off and got married and they were killed.

532
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:12.680
And that story is about skin names and bloodlines. And

533
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:17.039
because in Aboriginal culture, when I wanted to when I became,

534
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:20.079
when I was coming into ceremony, Melissa had to fly

535
00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:22.880
over and now she's Cherokee, and she had to meet

536
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:25.559
the elders, and she had to be acceptors as an

537
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:29.519
Angla because an Angola if she hasn't wasn't given that

538
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:32.759
skin name, then according to Aboriginal law, she could not

539
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.480
be my wife. So and that's been the fact that

540
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:40.400
up until modern times there was no inbreeding and there

541
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:43.799
were no disabilities or disabled kids, because you can't be

542
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:46.319
a nomadic or an a warring people. And when we're

543
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:49.480
not nomadic, we are actually quite agrarian. But you can't

544
00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:53.119
be in small family groups if you're not very strict

545
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:55.680
on those things. So the story about the Crow and

546
00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:59.680
the Kangaroo was a story designed to make sure that

547
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:03.359
our more about family and marriage is depicted. Now we

548
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.480
don't have that. Kids are handed a tablet and their

549
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:10.400
Netflix and Prime and Disney are giving them the law

550
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:15.200
and the fables. We don't, and we take our stories

551
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.480
from books, not from our imagination. We're not trying to

552
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:26.519
pass on, you know, mythological input to give them a

553
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:31.240
sense of the fantastic. And I think that's where the

554
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:40.200
Indigenous stories are so tremendous, because they they just expand

555
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:45.559
mine intertwined spirit, teach a moral story, and give you

556
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.839
rules for life. And I think that's what the Bible is.

557
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:51.640
The Bible is the greatest hero journey of all times,

558
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:57.359
and it combines all of those things. And Western theologians

559
00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:02.279
get caught up between, you know, the story painted in Jonah,

560
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:05.839
the story painted in Genesis, and they get so caught

561
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:09.160
up in the diet tactic on and they lose sight

562
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:11.920
of the fact that these are massive poetry and storybooks.

563
00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:13.799
Now they really I believe I am on one of

564
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:18.720
those you know, uber reformed conservative type people, and but

565
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:21.240
I also believe God is the greatest poet that said

566
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.960
to be, and I think we've lost touch with that today.

567
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:28.839
Yeah, for sure. I think it's one of those things,

568
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:33.839
especially with Indigenous stories, is the land itself plays such

569
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:36.519
a role in the storytelling you now, and when I

570
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:39.920
say land, they also mean the environment. I mean that

571
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:44.680
things just are folks, and and you're born knowing it

572
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:50.119
and you're raised knowing it, and just that's the way

573
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:53.680
it is. There are portals, there are wild men, there

574
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:57.960
are creatures that we don't know about or understand. That's

575
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:00.160
even the Bible says.

576
00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:03.079
That, yeah, yeah.

577
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:05.920
If you really dig into it. I mean, you know,

578
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:09.119
I'm not telling anybody what to believe, but I this

579
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:11.119
is one of the things I do on the show

580
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:16.160
is I show people there's no new stories. They're all

581
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:21.400
the same stories, just re told on different land and

582
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:24.720
in different environment. And most of them are about our

583
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:30.759
interaction with God. Frankly, frankly, they are they are God

584
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.759
and gods or things, you know, powers, principalities, whatever you

585
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:37.799
want to call them. That's what this all is. It's

586
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.079
about our interaction with these things.

587
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:44.559
He made a really unitersting statement about country. So Kadi

588
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:48.799
Manyani jewel So that's my full name. The man who

589
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:52.640
rises up out of uh. We say read good in

590
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.400
a translation, but it actually mean the man who comes

591
00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:59.960
from country is Jewelori. So in indigenous culture, amongst them

592
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:01.920
where among it. There's only two places you can be.

593
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:07.119
You can be on Manu Manu country or off country.

594
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:10.960
There's nowhere else in the world. There's country and then

595
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:15.000
there's not country. So you don't exist if you're off country.

596
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:18.199
You only exist when you're o country. And country is everything.

597
00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:21.320
A country is where your ancestors die and are placed

598
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.719
in the trees. That's why you don't pick up big

599
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:29.400
limbs and burn them. Ancestors manifest themselves in antills. Well,

600
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:31.920
that's why you don't knock over antills or put shirts

601
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:36.159
on them. You respect the land. Jing r juni is

602
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:37.880
the name of a healing plant. Now, if you take

603
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:40.719
a jungorai jungre in you rub it, it will instantly

604
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:44.199
get rid of any cut, any abrasion, cure any any

605
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:47.000
infection on any part of your body within a matter

606
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:50.320
of thirty minutes or so. So junoro jun is very important.

607
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:54.079
And you grow up learning these things, this medicine, like

608
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:56.800
you said, and it all comes from the country, you know.

609
00:34:56.840 --> 00:34:59.920
I believe God is God is into indigenation, like God

610
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.199
chosen people put him in the land. They had a

611
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:05.519
country and they were his people. And I think one

612
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:08.599
of the challenges we have in our society is we

613
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:13.079
don't have an appreciation for indigenation, that everybody belongs someone.

614
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:16.519
If you talk to someone for Appalachia, their Appalachian, that

615
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:19.920
is their country. My brother from South Carolina, his country

616
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:23.639
is Anderson, South Carolina. That's where he goes. That's he

617
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:26.519
is most of tune with himself and his soul when

618
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:29.400
he's there. When I take my lista back in a

619
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.119
couple of weeks, time heard them. When I took her

620
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:35.199
to Cherokee for the first time, she said she felt

621
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:38.320
a quietness in her soul that she'd never experienced as child.

622
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.280
I felt the same at sixty I walked onto country.

623
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.880
I didn't realize I missed country until I was on

624
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:49.079
country for the first time as a sixty year old man.

625
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:51.079
And now I hear I am back in Texas, and

626
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:54.000
I love Texas, you know, I really do. But man,

627
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:56.199
I've got a I never realized I could miss.

628
00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:58.440
Yeah, there's a hanker in.

629
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:01.599
There's a hatred, and I never had a I always

630
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:03.039
had a hancreing, but I didn't know that I had

631
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:06.559
a hangering. And yeah, I've got to mate that I

632
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:08.719
was talking to about this in Ireland. He just went

633
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:10.760
because I told him this concept. He didn't believe me.

634
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.239
He's an irish Man based in Australia, and he flew

635
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.480
back to Dublin. He said, eray, me said, doctor King,

636
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:20.519
You're right. I never realized that this actually spoke to

637
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:23.880
an aspect of my soul. And I think when we

638
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:28.800
get so tied up and caught up in these propagated

639
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:34.519
race wars, as opposed to he stopping long enough and

640
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:39.000
hearing what country's saying to us, understanding that we all

641
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:43.000
belong to someone and we really are all you know,

642
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:45.400
And this is I'm not trying to be political here,

643
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.679
but we are all wanderers on another person's country, and

644
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:56.360
regardless of what history has done and where we are,

645
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.679
we need to have an understanding of where we've come

646
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:04.639
from and the things around us that are real. You know.

647
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:06.800
I think the greatest thing that any of your listeners

648
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:08.480
could do is take the time to get to know

649
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:13.159
some indigenous people, yeah, and with respect, find out about

650
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:16.480
the country thereon Well you know, well you know we

651
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:19.679
won them, we killed them, yeah you did, but they're

652
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:23.519
still here and their stories are older than our country is.

653
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:26.719
Yeah. I mean, I look at it as stories. Some

654
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:32.199
stories were meant to preserve I mean survival knowledge like

655
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:36.599
where not to go, what not to touch, what to touch,

656
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:41.039
what to eat, when not to travel, how how respect

657
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:44.800
to place? All these things these are what stories are, right.

658
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:51.000
Yes, So, so there's a place in Bewarren and there's

659
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:54.239
incredible amounts of eels, And if you eat an eel

660
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:57.920
at a certain time, it's the most it's the sweetest

661
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:02.360
meat because they feed on the honeysuckle, and the honeysuckle

662
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:06.639
fall because the gla come. And if when the gala come,

663
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:10.480
the honeysuckles fall, the eels eat it. And that is

664
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:13.639
the only time in bewaran that you're allowed to catch animal.

665
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:16.559
The reason is because that's at the height of their

666
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:20.159
breeding season, when they're propagating and filling up the rivers

667
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.039
with eel. So you can take an abundance of eel

668
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:25.599
out of there and not just decimate the iel population.

669
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:28.760
But that only runs for two months of the year.

670
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:33.760
And in my country, crow is my totem. Bush turkey

671
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:36.599
is my totem. A dog is my totem. So I'm

672
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:39.840
responsible for I'm not allowed to eat bush turkey because

673
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:42.519
I'm actually a steward of bush turkey. Now, any other

674
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:44.719
fella who comes on my land is allowed to eat

675
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:46.440
bush turkey, but I'm not allowed to eat bush to it.

676
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:49.559
And to your point, that means that bush turkey will

677
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:53.599
always survive in waramongu and then spread out into all

678
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:56.960
other country around there. And because it's like a sanctuary

679
00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:59.639
for them, and the whole country the size of the

680
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:03.280
Northern areaker is Australia. That whole country is divided up

681
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:07.800
into those indigenous pockets. And back before the Europeans turned out,

682
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:13.960
there was two point six million blackfellas the European records

683
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:17.480
will say, like you know, one hundred thousand, two point

684
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:20.079
six million, three hundred and sixty people, two hundred and

685
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:23.519
sixty five language groups, all of them stewarting the land

686
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:26.920
and involved in commerce. It's like our indigenous people here

687
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.639
before some of the great Western migration and the push

688
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:32.360
of the decimation of buffalo and all that sort of

689
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:33.119
stuff took place.

690
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:38.400
Yeah, so what just the shift to touch but stand

691
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:41.800
the same thing. Why do you think almost every culture

692
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:47.960
has stories of hairy men and giants and water monsters

693
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:53.199
and serpents and sky beings and trecksters. Why do you

694
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:57.239
think almost every culture. It's not even almost, it is

695
00:39:57.480 --> 00:39:58.239
every culture.

696
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:04.400
It's like the creation story, because I think there is

697
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.639
a creation story that's in our DNA. DNA has been

698
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:10.519
proven to trace back to two individuals. You know, it

699
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:14.559
gets traced back. So this you can fight with that

700
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:17.320
all you want. Science says it comes back to two individuals.

701
00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:22.360
So our creation story is that the giant Goanna, Nick

702
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and Ninus spat into the ground and the Creator made

703
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from the mud man and out of the sight of

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00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:32.840
man he pulled woman and they walk side by side together.

705
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So that's a creation story that's forty something years old.

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It predates the Bible, and it's identical to the story

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00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:42.519
of Genesis, and it's the same with the Aztec. So

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my thought is this is that that was the creation story.

709
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.719
That's just a story of creation. And you look at

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00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:53.639
when when they came over from Europe to land in

711
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:56.039
Alaska and they meet with some of the Indians, and

712
00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:59.000
the Indians the day before the Christians arrived would talk

713
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:03.159
about golden gips of gold and tobacco and men bringing

714
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:08.719
the True God and the Son of God. So there's

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a concept of pre evangelism in everything and it's a

716
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:15.840
concept of the theology and a doctrine out of Genesis,

717
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.880
the pre evangel. I believe every culture has a pre

718
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:21.760
evangel there's a story that is tied to the Creator.

719
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.639
There was put there before the beginning of time to

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00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:27.760
open up and make a way for the Savior. Except

721
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:31.880
in our arrogance, we've tried to impose religion as opposed

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00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:35.119
to understand the culture. And you know, there's a great

723
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:39.159
book called Saving the Gospel from the Cowboys, which talks

724
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:45.880
about the and Cowboy Gospel on the indigenous people, the

725
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:48.880
removal of drums, the removal of dance, the removal of feathers.

726
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.239
But if you start to understand what they were for,

727
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:54.920
the drums were worshiped to the ancestors and the gods.

728
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:58.480
The feathers were part of the ceremony that understood that

729
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:01.199
the God, the God, the Creator, was the being and

730
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the part of the sermon. If we would have had

731
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the sense to come alongside and just participate in those things,

732
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:12.880
then like Paul did, he would have said, you know,

733
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:17.000
I'm here, I understand you've got an unknown guy.

734
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:18.400
Let me talk to you about that.

735
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:23.559
And I think that's something that we've greatly misunderstood.

736
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:30.360
Ridde on my boots, all horses in the wind.

737
00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:41.599
Something's walking out there, and it knows where I've been.

738
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:58.199
Read some burning on the dead and rule dust in.

739
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:01.360
My season, A heavy load wear of the black skies,

740
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:02.639
wallows the lights.

741
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:04.400
Something starts moving at.

742
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:08.079
The air tonight, old mentor me, don't laugh, don't run.

743
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:10.719
These things out here older than the sun.

744
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.400
Now the trees are bending, but the wind ain't there.

745
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:16.400
And I can feel those eyes in the desert.

746
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:19.079
There and the land on I know the land don't sleep.

747
00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:21.199
It keeps six seacris.

748
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:31.199
Very deep whispers, chowl and my name, some voices inside

749
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:36.559
flame yowy in the distance, in the dark, I can

750
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:42.920
come staringly closs.

751
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:51.719
Scar remarked, whispers through blood and bad you'll never really.

752
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:01.719
There's a nest, the screw up with the branches, lean

753
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:05.159
circle of steaks, like a seen dreams.

754
00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:07.760
Smell that I went rolling, mold and rain in the.

755
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.280
Whole world shifted just the same.

756
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:14.000
Little red, I said, a twisted tree watching life.

757
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:17.079
They came for me. I said my name, man, I

758
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:18.280
stole my life.

759
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:19.679
I'm sayful, I'm covered.

760
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.039
This soul is mine and the.

761
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:24.400
Veil gets them where the old tracks crossed.

762
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:29.480
Some men fine, got some man got a furn Whispers

763
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:34.760
in my name, seen s voices.

764
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:39.559
It's flaming, yowy in the distance.

765
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:46.679
I said in the times, color tree, remaking most every scar.

766
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:53.599
Mark, red whispers, t blood and bold.

767
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:57.519
You'll never really w.

768
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:15.239
They are giants in the mountain, They're serpents in the dean.

769
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:18.119
They're watchers in the timble.

770
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:21.039
World sleeps.

771
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:26.519
There are polls and sides, and there are warnings and stones.

772
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:31.000
There are stories that live berries.

773
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:47.280
Stop feeling them, fear, stop bowing alas and you're chest

774
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:49.239
fire yours old.

775
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:51.119
Land o lah love just flames.

776
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:58.159
We quit respect and remember your name with dude.

777
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:05.000
Whispers all in my name, ancient voices.

778
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:12.239
Inside of the flaghway in the distance, and the dog

779
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:21.239
can't you remembers every star every month, whi first.

780
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:23.119
From the dust to the throne.

781
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:26.159
Be your story resign.

782
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:29.800
And we're not alone.

783
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:37.960
The lad remembers the old ones knew.

784
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:42.280
Maybe the stories didn't

785
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:52.280
Die, Maybe we just stopped listening, st