Dec. 18, 2025

Voices in the Forest: Bigfoot, Crawlers, and High Strangeness at Land Between the Lakes

Voices in the Forest: Bigfoot, Crawlers, and High Strangeness at Land Between the Lakes
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In this episode of Broadcasting Seeds, host Bennett interviews Natalie Smearman, a cryptid and paranormal investigator. Natalie shares her journey into the world of high strangeness, detailing her early experiences with spirits and shadow figures. She discusses her investigations into cryptids, particularly Bigfoot, and her recent experiences at the LBL (Land Between the Lakes), where she encountered various phenomena, including crawlers and disembodied voices. Throughout the conversation, Natalie emphasizes the importance of community support in paranormal research and encourages listeners to explore nature and share their experiences.

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Broadcast Stacy, Broadcast stay.

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In the minds of the.

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All right, everyone, welcome back to another episode of Broadcasting Seeds.

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Today we have a guest. Her name is Natalie S. Mearman,

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and I would like her to tell us who she is,

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what she does, and where we can find her.

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I could do that. Well, Hello everyone, My name is

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Natalie Smearman. I am a crypted and paranormal investigator. You

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can find me on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and YouTube under

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Natalie Smearman. You could also so find me under Relic

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Films Media. That is who I film with. We have

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two documentaries under our belt with me in them. The

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first one is called The Vanished that is going to

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be released and premiered January thirty first of twenty twenty six.

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And then we have returned to the LBL Making Contact,

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which we just filmed last month. That'll be coming out

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later in twenty twenty six. I also co host a

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podcast Paranormal among Us and also co host with My

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Blondes and Booze Gals, so that is a ton of fun.

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We have a ton of fun, so that's where you

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can find me. And also we are filming a talk

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show through Relic called Beyond the Ordinary that is on YouTube.

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So we have three shows out and they're really cool.

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We interview some great people, have some great experiences, and

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have a ton of laughs because we never take anything seriously.

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Wow. So the guy at Relic is Greg Ogels, right, Yes,

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that's right, and shout out to him because he seems

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like he's the hardest working guy in he is documentary films.

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He's he's insane. He's I don't even know what how

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he does what he does with producing, directing, editing, you know, releasing,

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the whole nine yards. So we have a good group

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of people and we all support each other.

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So it's awesome. It's awesome. Give everybody some love, folks. So, Natalie,

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the question I like to ask everyone first is what

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got you into this world of high strangeness. You know,

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some people it's cryptied stuff that they've had bigfoot sightings

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or paranormal you know, experiences, whatever. What got you into

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this whole I mean, because it's crazy.

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It is, it's very strange. But my journey started when

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I was three years old, and it started with paranormal

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experiences and I started my very first sighting was my

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great grandmother, who I had never met. I only saw

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pictures and that was when I was three. I experienced spirits,

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not seeing them, but feeling them throughout my childhood. When

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I was about thirteen years old, I was going through

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a really tough time and then I saw my great

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grandmother standing at the foot of my bed just watching

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over me. So that was profound. That's when I really

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really knew that there was another side to everything, that

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there was a whole ancestors are watching over me. And

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then it progressed from there with feelings of spirits around

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me or coldness when they were standing next to me.

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I grew up in West Virginia and during that time,

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you know, I'm experiencing these paranormal things. But there was

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always this joke about bigfoot, you know, don't go into

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the woods or whatever, and we all laughed and we're like,

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that's just you know, parents trying to scare kids so

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they don't go into the woods.

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So did you live in the area where they call

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them the wood booger and stuff?

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No, I didn't. It was always bigfoot where I was.

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Because it's a small zone. But I was like, wood

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bog when are we coming?

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Yeah, So no, it's okay, it's okay, it's a legit question.

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So then I dismissed it, didn't think anything of it.

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Moved to Florida and there were bigfoot sightings reported on

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the news, and I'm going, I think there's more to this.

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So I started to do my own research because whenever

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I am interested in something and something is somewhat profound,

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I want to learn more. I want to read about it.

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I want to learn about it. You know, who's investigating,

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what are they finding? How are they finding this? So

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over a course of about fourteen years, I have just

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been that was just a hobby, is just to learn

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as much as I could. Meanwhile, during me researching living

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in Florida, I had I lived in a haunted house.

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We had.

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Spirits moved through. The neighborhood we lived in was very,

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very paranormal. Everybody had some sort of paranormal activity happening

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in their house. It was never mean, never vicious. It

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was just like I'm going to move a vase, or

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I'm going to hear something and you know, I'm hearing

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a cat meow, but there's no cat in my house.

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I mean things of that nature. Yeah, just suppressing yeah,

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just a presence, and it wasn't a big deal. However,

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when we moved into the house, I had just gotten

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married and my husband at the time, I'm retired Army

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of twenty years, retired green beret. He had, you know,

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he was moving from his military career to his regular career,

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civilian career. And we're unpacking boxes.

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When was this This.

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Was twenty fifteen, gotcha, And so we're unpacking boxes and

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I unpacked this one little box and it had a

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cute little bracelet in there. And I said, oh, I said,

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did one of your kids make this? This is adorable?

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He goes, no, that's a souvenir off my first kill.

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I went, what, I'm like, you brought this into the

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house and I kind of caused a ruckus. He's like,

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that's my souvenir. It ended up having we had an

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argument about it, and I was just like, fine, just

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you know, if something happens, I'm gonna tell you.

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Well.

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About three months later, a shadow figure appears. This shadow

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figure appeared in and around the master bedroom, master bath,

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guest bathroom, launder room, right where the garage was, where

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this box was. And I told him about it, and

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he was like, now you're fine, just completely dismissed, denied everything.

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This little shadow figure kept peeking around corners, just trying

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to figure things out, never did anything bad. But I

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knew it wasn't going to go away. I'm not going

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to have my husband convince him to get rid of it.

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So I laid down some ground rules and I talked

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to the to the I called him shadow dude, and

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so I said, here are the ground rules for the house.

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This is what you're not allowed to do. If you

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cross the line, you're gonna deal with me. So eight

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years went by. Shadow Dude followed the rules, was very respectful.

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I'm like, it's okay if you want to be curious,

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it's okay. We can live harmoniously, but you know, just

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follow the rules. Well, once the marriage started to dissolve

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and there was a lot of hostility in the home,

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Shadow Dude started crossing the line. And I saw him

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go from this little being and he started to grow,

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just feeding, just feeding off of the negative energy, feeding

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off of it. And I caught him hovering over me,

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watching me sleep at night. I caught him, Oh my god, yeah,

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and it's like and I, of course, I screamed, you know,

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and I just it startled me. Things started moving towards me,

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like I would be in the bathroom, the scale would

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come right towards me, and I'm like, this is this

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is crazy. I'm like, now you're crossing a line. And

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I set the boundaries again. I'm like, you don't do it.

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And I got really angry and I'm like, you know.

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So then it turned towards my son. My son, he

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went to the to the guest bathroom just to use

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the bathroom and walked out and the shadow dude was

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in the master bedroom growling at him. And so now

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I'm like we had haven this. So I walked in

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the bedroom and I was very vicious, very angry, and

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I told him, I said, I will drag you to

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the depths of Hell myself. So then around Thanksgiving that year,

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the kids and I left and then my ex was

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still there trying to find a place we come back

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from Thanksgiving vacation. Walk in the house and shadow dude

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was probably, I mean standing there, really really tall watching

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me walk in. I said, is this how you want

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to start this day? And he disappeared. My ex moved out,

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took the boxes with him, shadow dude was gone, So

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shadow dude is residing wherever my ex is right now.

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So that is some of the stuff that I've don't

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with from the paranormal side. I mean, I do paranormal investigations,

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and you know, and I can feel. I'm very sensitive

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to spirit. I don't see them, but sometimes I can

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hear them. They can make me feel their emotions, feel

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their anxiety. Sometimes if they died in a very tragic way,

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I could feel how they died. So you know, there

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are sometimes I have to walk away from a situation

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just to ground myself, to get back to prepare myself,

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because sometimes how they passed was very in a violent,

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violent way. So like, for instance, we walked into the

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Ray County Museum in Missouri to do an investigation, and

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each room has a different theme beautiful, beautiful, museum, fantastic,

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And I walked into the black History room and immediately

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I was overwhelmed with spirit.

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It was.

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So profound, and all of a sudden, I felt my

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throat burning, I was having a hard time breathing, I

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was tasting smoke. I was just like my stomach was

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in knots. I felt like there was a ton of

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bricks on my shoulders and I am gasping for air

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and I had to leave and then compose myself get

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grounded to go back in. We had a medium come

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back with us in that room, and it was the

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spirit of a young girl that was burned alive to

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send a message to other families like this is don't

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cross this line. And that's what it was. And her

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name was Becky because when she when we came back,

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she whispered her name in my ear and it was

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just and she was when I was looking at her

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with my mind's eye, she had this beautiful little white

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dress on with little flowers and her best Sunday best

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shoes and with her little braids, and she was like,

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look at me, look at my dress. And she was

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so excited about her dress and so but it was

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just so sad and just so just profound. So yeah,

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I do. I can feel a lot of things when

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I enter this paranormal arena. But of course, you know,

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once you enter the paranormal arena or the cryptid arena,

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they cross over. There's a lot of overlap. And I

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learned that after I got into investigating the cryptids, and

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that started in the spring of twenty twenty four, I

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attended my first Bigfoot conference because it was in Okalla,

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and I'm like, well, that's pretty darn close to me.

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I want to learn more. You know, I've done all

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I can with the books and documentaries and you know,

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learning what I can. I want to go talk to

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people that have witnessed it. So I ended up going

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there meeting a ton of wonderful people in and around Florida. Also,

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one of the most profound people that I've met was

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Adam Davis, and we all kind of stayed in touch,

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and I started with after that conference, Boots on the

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Ground investigating in Florida.

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What is this?

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I actually went solo camping and the Everglades down at

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the Skunk Ape headquarters. Behind there, there's a there's a

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campground back there, and I was there solo camping just

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to see what I can draw in. I didn't draw

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in any any skunk apes or Bigfoot, but I did

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draw in a male panther in heat. So those Florida

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panthers are pretty profound, and they're all over South Florida.

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Especially when they start screaming because they scared wrap out

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of you.

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Yeah, and they all so chirp like birds. Yeah, I

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was like, what is that? And then it started making

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this weird childlike sound and I'm like what I mean,

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this was right beside my tent.

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Yeah, you're dying, just like what And I'm like, I'm alone.

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I've got bear spray because I'm like, okay, I'm a

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huge bear spray fan. I don't want to hurt anything,

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but I just want to stop it, you know, whatever

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it is, so I have time to get away. So

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that was that was pretty cool. The next time I

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went down there, I actually about one thirty in the morning,

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I was woken up to an owl and I'm going,

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that's odd. You know, there's owls down there. Don't get

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me wrong, but this sounded a little weird. And then

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I heard chatter in the swamp, talking back and forth nice.

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It was back and forth, back and forth, back and forth,

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and I was like, holy cow. And you know, I

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think as a as a novice at that time, I

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didn't think to hit record. I was just so overwhelmed

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by like what is this And.

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I'm actually, yeah, I get it.

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Yeah, and I'm like okay, all right. So that was cool.

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And then we found this structure after we went investigating

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the following night and we found this odd structure in

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the in the swamp. So it was way out there,

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and this was not natural. It was a tree that

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was broken off and then it was moved, and it

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was this trunk was carved into a point and then

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the tree was set on top of it and it

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was just teetering there and this tree had to be

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thirty feet tall and it was all the way. It

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was really a cool experience because that was not just nature.

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That was something had done that right, So that was

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pretty cool. And then in February of this year, I

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got a phone call from Adam Davis and he goes, hey,

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you know, I see you're you've been investigating, and that's

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so cool. I'm working with Relic Films. We're going to

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be doing a documentary in the Smoky Mountains investigating two

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unexplained disappearances. These these people just disappeared without a trace,

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very bizarre. And he goes, I would love to have

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you join us and film with us, and I'm like,

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holy cow, I said I would absolutely love to. So

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that later that day I talked to Greg. We hit

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it off right away, and then two weeks later I'm

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at the Smoky Mountains filming this amazing documentary. And I

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can tell you this, relic films when we go filming,

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I mean, when we actually film, when cams are rolling,

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we're very dedicated, very serious, you know, because we want

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to make sure that the audience gets to experience what

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we're experiencing, and so we want to make sure that

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that resonates when the cameras are off. We are the

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funniest people on the planet. We laugh, we say things

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that are inappropriate, of course I'll say that, you know.

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And we're always ragging on each other, always harass at

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each other, but we always have such a great time.

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And The Vanished, like I said, it is coming out

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January thirty first, and so you know, I did get

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to see preview a first draft which I was blown away.

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It's a dark, dark film. There's a lot of paranormal

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activity in and around the Smoky Mountains, which I didn't

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really fully understand that until I was in the forest

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and we are experiencing all of these in same things happened.

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It's such a super heavy yeah feeling there, like I yeah,

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So we we went to the I went to the

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Smoky Mountain, Bigfoot conference in July. It was July, and

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so I remember my wife and I walking and as

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soon as I hit it was just like a boundary line.

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As soon as I hit it and walked into the forest,

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it was just like everything changed, the air changed. It

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was bizarre. Yeah.

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Yeah, every night we were experiencing something brand new and that.

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You know, when you go into the forest and you

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do an investigation, most of the time you get nothing.

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And that's okay because you're still in the forest. You're

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having a good time. Every single day and night we

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had something happening and I'm like, I looked at Greg.

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I said, is this normal? He goes no. I was like, so, now,

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it's like, what is happening here? What is this area?

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That is so? I mean we're seeing orbs, disembodied voices,

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we're having we're getting sick, we're getting overwhelmed with emotions

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that it's like and it's when this would happen when

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because I got overwhelmed, I got like my stomach was

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in knots. I was starting to have difficulty breathing. And

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Adam goes, walk away from that area. I walked twenty feet.

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I was fine, They're like, walk back to that area.

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As soon as I got back to that area, I

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wasn't fine. So it was it was just targeting me

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in this area. And it was just high, high energy,

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and close by was running water and there was a

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lot of heavy, heavy feelings right there. And this was

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happening periodically, not just to me, but to all of us.

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You know.

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We would walk through and we're like, WHOA, what's that?

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And we would just be overwhelmed and so and then

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the strange noises that you couldn't identify, and and it

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was really profound. So one day, and one thing that

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was funny that happened there, we had a bad, bad

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storm hit, one of the worst storms hit Tennessee and

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took out power and actually took out the pump to

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the well that was providing the water to the motel.

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So we were without water for three days. This was

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in March.

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Oh So was that the Yeah? Anyway, it was, it was.

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It was really crazy. So we were without water for

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three days. We went a little feral. I'm not gonna

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lie to you. We went a little ferrell there. But

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I did walk up to the front desk and I said,

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can we have a bucket to go down to the

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river to get water to put in the tank of

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the toilet so we could at least flush our toilets.

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So I was saying, I was just kind of talking

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to her and I'm like, so yeah, this, I'm like,

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we're experience. She goes, oh yeah, she goes, my grandfather

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was brought here for work. And she goes, that's why

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my family is here now. She goes, he was hired

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along with many others, to help build roads into the

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National Forest and Cade's Cove and things of that nature.

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And she goes, as they're digging, and you know, to

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build this road, they came across a lot of unmarked graves.

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So they're digging up this entering and then they would

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find some in boxes and they didn't know. It didn't

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look like a coffee, they didn't know what it was.

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And they would open up these boxes and there were

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scratch marks on the insides of these boxes, and they

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had noticed some people had been murdered, buried alive. It

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was violent, and so they're digging up. And once all

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of that happened, that energy of high strangeness and the

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activity magnified, and that really hasn't gone away. It's still there.

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And we actually got permission to go into Caid's cove

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after hours and do a night investigation, and we were

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getting disembodied voices. We had a ghost box where we

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were hearing this these two people talking, and this one

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woman who clearly was the matriarch, did not like us

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there and ended up taking our battery pack to the

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ghost box, taking out the plug and taking the battery

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and pushing it down and taking my backpack and throwing

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it on the floor. And I'm going, she really does

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not want us there.

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It was.

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It was crazy. And we had an SLS camera outside

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and we're seeing all these little beings and we looked

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at the graves and they were of children.

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Those SLS cameras are wild, Yes they are. And it's

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like it's like you want it just seems like it's well,

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and I want it's it's it seems too easy, you

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know what it does? Yeah, Like wait no, and I'm

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sure you get false positives. Yeah, but there's so many

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people like I've seen where people are are sensitive right

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and they're like something's right there, and on camera, something's

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right there.

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Right there.

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It's like without them even looking at the camera. So

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I give it some credence there's Yeah, that's wild.

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Yeah, And to your point, I think that there are

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some false positives because there could be some thing there

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that may resemble a person, maybe a tree that may

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resemble something, and it picks up that could be a

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tree and it's not a person. Yeah, So I think,

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you know, you just have to really that that's.

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A tool to use, absolutely.

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But not to have one hard of it.

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Well, just like spirit boxes, you have to kind of

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take it with a grain of salt. I mean, if

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it makes sense and things lined up, but you find

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too many people trying to fit round pegs in the

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square holes per stuff like that, So you just again,

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it's like you said, it's very good for you to

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say that it's just another tool.

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Yeah, it's a tool, and I think to have multiple

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tools working together along with what is the most the

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best tool is your own feelings, your own experience. The

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human body is a great way to feel spirits, to

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open yourself up. And yeah, the tools you use just

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helps solidify the evidence and that's really what it is.

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Yeah.

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I feel like and you've been open to it since

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you were a child. Obviously I was the same way.

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But I think, like it's one of those things and

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it sounds it's like a self licking ice cream cone. Unfortunately,

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but the people that believe, when they go and they

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do I mean not every time I go out, something happens,

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but I feel like if you're open to these things,

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you're gonna have more experiences. I always find that when

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I take people that are shut down skeptics, they're not

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even like they're not even willing to like open to

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it at all. They never have experiences. They just don't.

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I mean, and when I say that none of us

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have experiences, yeah, because I've taken people out ENCRYPTI investigations

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or expeditions that are just non believers and they left

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a non believer because we literally had nothing. Yeah. But

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I've brought people that are just at least the doors

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cracked open, and it's like there's always that one. There's

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just enough where they have that one experience where they're like,

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oh my god, I just heard monkeys in the Pennsylvania

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yeah forest. Yeah, and it's not an owl, it's not

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a coyote, like, and we're all like yep, Like we

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all look at each other and like there it is.

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And then they're hooked, right, yeah, yeah, it's you have

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to be open to it.

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Yeah, the energy that you project, they feel, spirits, cryptids,

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everything in between. They feel your energy, they feel your intentions.

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If you walk in going, you don't exist, You're not

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going to have that experience. If you walk in open going.

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I am open to experience anything, and I'm willing to,

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you know, be open to it. Not believe. You don't

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have to believe, but you could just be open to it.

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That's when they're going to show themselves or at least

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have you hear them, because you know, I am always open.

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And especially when I go into a forest, I pray,

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I meditate and just to understand to get myself level

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set and then go in with an open mind.

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Because you got to protect yourself.

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Oh, yes you do. If you don't, yep, if you

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don't protect yourself, you're going to come home with an

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attachment negative.

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Energy hitchhikers man.

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Yes.

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Yeah, And so people don't believe me when I tell

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them that, I'm like, no, you need to do Yeah,

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you need to. You need to prepare yourself and afterwards too,

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you need to cleanse and absolutely do some some praying

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and whatnot or else things can attach themselves, and I

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don't know what that is. Yeah, I have no idea,

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but I know it to be true.

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Yeah, it does. It happens where you know, And it

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could be you know, an entity or a spirit not

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necessarily saying that they're evil or bad. It could just

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be a spirit going I'm really interested in this person.

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They seem really cool and fun. I'm going to go

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home with them for a.

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Couple Or it could be just like, hey, I don't

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want to be here anymore, Yeah, can you help me?

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I can if I can hitchhike on this person's Yeah,

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and it.

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Doesn't Yeah, it doesn't necessarily have to be negative. And so,

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but you really don't want to have this energy in

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your home and you're doing and your in your you know,

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in your presence because that's your space.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, it's really really so important to ground, meditate,

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prey before after, protect yourself completely and and whatever that means.

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I have people that were Saint Michael's medallion. I have

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people that you know, do the sage and the Palo

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Santo and the Black Salt. So whatever it means to you,

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however you feel protected the most is what's the best.

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And we did that when we were out filming and

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then especially when we just got done filming in the LBL,

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because that was the most intense experience I have ever had.

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So let's let's talk. So first off, I want to

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touch on the point that you're coming mainly from a

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paranormal side to the cryptid side's coat, which is always

464
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:49.759
a different experience, and my experience, like me me seeing

465
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:55.359
that with people, it's always a different Yeah, journey, right,

466
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:59.319
I guess you could say, so you're so, how long

467
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:02.720
have you been in the cryptid space along? I mean,

468
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:06.599
obviously you never leave the paranormal space, but you find

469
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:07.160
that they.

470
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.839
Rhyme right, Yes, a lot of overlap, Yeah, a lot

471
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:14.799
of overlap, and so many people will deny that in

472
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:17.400
the big foot space so big now no, no, but

473
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:20.079
and I'm not going to get into that war in

474
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:20.720
that bad.

475
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:22.680
Because I just stay right out of it. I know

476
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:25.480
what I believe and I know what my experiences are.

477
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:28.599
I'm not going to get in the weeds on that.

478
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:35.920
Yes, no, wow, I'm doing the same thing.

479
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:41.160
So yeah, So so get into the the LBL experience

480
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:43.559
from that point, you know, I just wanted to bring

481
00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:44.839
that up to the to.

482
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:47.119
The foot yeah, it's a great point.

483
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:50.640
People usually and it's sometimes it's usually a good thing,

484
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:55.119
but you know, people have their own preconceived notions, but

485
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:56.519
that's coming from everywhere.

486
00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:00.240
So yeah, anyway, well, I you know, we have been

487
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:05.759
planning this since March when we finished filming in the

488
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:10.079
Smoky Mountains, and we have been navigating this on how

489
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:13.079
we're going to structure it, how we're going to do experiments,

490
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:15.000
because we definitely want to do experiments. And the one

491
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.960
thing I love about Greg Ogles is that I will

492
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:21.079
bring an idea to him, no matter how crazy it is.

493
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:23.480
He's like, yeah, let's do it, let's do it, let's

494
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.640
figure it out, whatever it is, let's do it. So

495
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.799
I got prepared for all of my experiments that I

496
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:33.079
was going to be conducting. Adam had his experience. I mean,

497
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:36.799
we all came together as a large group, and Greg

498
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:38.960
wanted a big group of people, so we had the

499
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:44.599
NCI team there, we had seekers there, we had Martin

500
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:48.960
Groves was there. So we had a good, good group

501
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:54.720
of people and we wanted to go Calina, North Carolina, Ya,

502
00:31:54.960 --> 00:32:00.839
North Carolina Investigates, and so we were all there and

503
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:05.200
sometimes we divided and conquered and sometimes we went out

504
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:08.839
as a giant team and we did have a little

505
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:11.759
bit of overlap because the NCI guys came in in

506
00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:15.240
the beginning left about midweek and then we had some

507
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:18.039
more seekers. Seekers were there the whole week with additional

508
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:20.480
people came in, so we had some overlap and things.

509
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:25.519
But the goal was is to make contact, and we

510
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:27.200
started out going okay.

511
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:33.160
With what and with oneever that was there? I had

512
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:37.519
not Man, that's another one of those places. Yeah, spooky

513
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:38.799
as I'll get out.

514
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:42.000
It is. It is what horror films are made from,

515
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:46.079
because I can tell you firsthand. We went into it

516
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:49.119
and I'm going and a lot of time, I have

517
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.039
this little truck that I drove some of the time,

518
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.160
so we would get back into these areas and I'm going,

519
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:58.240
where are we going? So it was crazy. So we

520
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:04.079
wanted to make sure that big foot, dog, man, rakes, crawlers,

521
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:08.720
paranormal whatever that was out there. We wanted to make contact.

522
00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:14.240
Let me ask you, rake some crawlers, Yep, what are you? Are?

523
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:15.000
They the same thing?

524
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:16.680
Well?

525
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:18.119
You know what I mean.

526
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:20.880
Yeah, So I'll tell you this. I have a story

527
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:26.559
because we witnessed it. Okay, so about halfway through the

528
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:31.880
week we started, we would go and investigate certain areas

529
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:35.000
and we would go as a team with a security

530
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:39.200
team behind us with long guns and everything, because when

531
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:41.599
you go into these places the LBL, if people are

532
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:44.279
not familiar, it's one hundred and seventy thousand acres of

533
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:48.119
land and it's deep deep woods. When you go and

534
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:51.680
investigate in these areas, there's nothing around. You can't run

535
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:57.079
to a house, you can't escape easily, there's nowhere to run.

536
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.240
It's the kind of place where something happens if you

537
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:02.880
just happen to have cell service and you're able to

538
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:06.200
call for help. They're not coming out till the morning.

539
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:09.079
Right, They're not going to come out that. It is

540
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.639
that kind of place, So you have to be prepared.

541
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:15.400
So we started out with these these these security teams

542
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:18.719
with guns to make sure that we were safe. Well,

543
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:22.039
what we found out very early on is whatever that

544
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:24.679
was in the woods that we saw, because I saw

545
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:31.480
large bipedal shadow bipedal shadow figures walking in the forest.

546
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:33.880
I couldn't get a good eye, but one thing I

547
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:38.760
did see that the very beginning was this bipedal shadow

548
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:43.559
with these ears. So I'm like I'm like, okay, I'm like,

549
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:47.960
here we go and then yeah, and I'm like, there

550
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:52.360
were in the energy that I was feeling. I was

551
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.880
getting knots in my stomach. I was getting this heavy

552
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:57.320
feeling and I'm like and Martin Groves was sitting beside

553
00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:59.440
me in the truck and goes, Yep, they're here. I said, yeah,

554
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:02.480
I just saw it. And so we're driving down and

555
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:04.639
when I tell you this is what horror films are

556
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.880
made of. We are driving down on this tiny little

557
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:13.159
dirt road that's overgrown, and we cross this bridge where

558
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:17.599
both sides of it had brush growing up over and

559
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:20.920
all it is is a tiny little path through and

560
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:25.320
as we're driving, I see this face on the side

561
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:30.800
looking at us and then duck down. I'm going, jeez.

562
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:33.519
So we get to the area of investigation, which is

563
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:36.519
a great one of the many many graveyards there. And

564
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:39.199
so we get to this place when we start walking

565
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:41.960
up the hill and the energy's high. We're hearing things

566
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:46.360
and then the security team came in. Nothing, they never

567
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:51.079
came out, nothing happened. We're just feeling this high energy.

568
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:55.679
So Martin Groves goes, well, they're here, but they're leary

569
00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:02.239
they're fraid. I'm like, I'm feeling they're project projected their anxiousness,

570
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.679
and so he asked. There was only two women there,

571
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:08.559
myself and Melissa Adair, and Martin tells us to walk

572
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:11.119
up the hill and start humming and singing.

573
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:11.519
Yeah.

574
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:16.440
Yeah, I'm like, we are in the middle of nowhere, man,

575
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:19.840
and so we're gonna walk up this hill alone and

576
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:22.599
start humming and singing. So, because I have so much

577
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:26.239
respect for the man, we did it. And so we

578
00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:30.400
started singing you are my sunshine, something happy, and then

579
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:33.599
all of a sudden, it went from this anxious, high

580
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:37.920
energy like projecting like your stomach's like it like ah,

581
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:43.079
and it just went calmed right down. And Martin goes,

582
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:49.920
they've never seen women before investigating, and you singing made

583
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:55.000
them feel like almost like a maternal motherly calmness. And

584
00:36:55.039 --> 00:37:00.599
I'm like, that's great, that's a great experiment. Doc commented that,

585
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:03.920
but that's not what we want. We want to make contact, right,

586
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:09.480
So we went to several other areas experimented the same way,

587
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:14.199
same things happening. So I said, we need to change this,

588
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:20.599
and I brought these pheromones, these obsession for men, and

589
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.480
this I went to Victoria's Secret and got their female

590
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:28.679
pheromone perfume before we went, and I started spraying all

591
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:33.280
around the campground. So we wanted to have something come in.

592
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:37.280
Guess what. It worked. So we're in this campground. I'm

593
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:43.760
in a tent and these bigfoot came in and they

594
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:47.719
were curious. One started playing in the big bucket of

595
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:50.360
water because I was woken up to it because we

596
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:53.440
had a big bin of water for the shower. They're playing,

597
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:58.920
having a good time. They're walking past things, but they

598
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:02.599
didn't like the people in campers. If you were in

599
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:05.880
a camper, they didn't like it. And they would hit

600
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:12.480
the campers boom every night. I wonder what that is,

601
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.039
so yeah, I don't know. And they would clank rocks

602
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:18.239
and they would take rocks and throw them in the water,

603
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:20.840
and then they would whistle and then they would whoop.

604
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:25.159
And there were tree knocks and like all around us,

605
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:28.800
all around us every night. And then when we would

606
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:32.840
go out on an investigation, we always had somebody there

607
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:37.880
as security. The first night, Martin Groves was there as security.

608
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:42.239
Two of them came into camp wanting our food that

609
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:46.920
was left out, and he he goes nat he goes,

610
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:50.719
I used really foul language, and I was yelling. Looks

611
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.440
like because he does not curse at all, right, and

612
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:55.639
he was like, and he was standing his ground and

613
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:58.840
he had his pistol with them and he held them back,

614
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.760
and then finally they just left. The following night we

615
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:06.880
went out and investigated, and Jim Powell was there and

616
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.360
he was running security. They came in again and they

617
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:12.920
were they were not taken no for an answer. He

618
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:15.760
goes that. He goes, I was scared, and he's never scared.

619
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:20.119
He's never he will walk into the worst situation and going,

620
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:22.559
we got this, and he goes, I had to retreat

621
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:24.239
to my tent. He goes, I did not know what

622
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:24.960
was going to happen.

623
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:31.599
He signed that phrase funny, I retreated to my tent.

624
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:35.039
Yeah, And you know what was so weird. They never

625
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.039
I'm gonna do yeah. But the thing was is that

626
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:41.000
they never messed with our tents. Anybody in a tent,

627
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:43.559
they were like, yeah, that's fine. If you were at

628
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:45.559
a camper, they were messing with you.

629
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:46.679
Oh my gosh.

630
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:49.480
So I was like that. It was just so weird.

631
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.960
So I don't fully understand that, but I don't either.

632
00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:58.440
I don't know. Maybe they just don't like the camper thing,

633
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:03.840
and yeah, they were. So one night when we regrouped

634
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:06.960
and we said, okay, we have to walk into an

635
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:13.199
area vulnerable. And this was about maybe Wednesday, midweek. We

636
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:18.880
had five women in the group and we said, let's

637
00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:24.920
go in vulnerable. Have all investigators be women, nobody armed.

638
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:30.199
I had bare spray on me, and I said two cameramen.

639
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:32.360
Of course, Greg was one of them. He carried a

640
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:36.119
small pistol in his coat, and there was Jim who

641
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:37.320
carried a small pistol.

642
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:38.719
That was it.

643
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:42.079
And I said, we're going to go in and see

644
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:44.280
how that happens. And Greg goes, listen, we need to

645
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:48.400
go in and pick a fight. So I remember earlier

646
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:51.639
in the week I got growled at walking to the bathroom.

647
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.800
And it wasn't an aggressive kind of like I'm going

648
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:59.159
to kill you. It was like I'm here, you stay there,

649
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:02.239
I'll stay here, and it was like we're setting boundaries.

650
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:07.039
I remembered that growl and I did that exact same

651
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:10.559
growl three times in the because we would walked up

652
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:14.039
halfway up the hill in the graveyard. I did three

653
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:19.000
of those growls and all hell broke loose. From the

654
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:25.159
top of the ridge. Came boom, boom, boom, and the

655
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:29.639
ground is shaking under our feet. And I looked at

656
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:33.320
Greg I said, let let's do this, and he's like,

657
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:36.480
we got it, we got it, and so I growled again.

658
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:40.079
More booms, boom, boom boom, and all of a sudden,

659
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:45.400
just movement from all around coming in and I'm going

660
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:49.239
So two of the women had thermal cameras. I said,

661
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:52.920
let's keep the therms checking in the outside so we're

662
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.880
not going to be ambushed by anything. I said with

663
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:58.840
our own eyes. Because it was the day before the

664
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:03.360
full moon, so it was pretty right. Oh yeah, we

665
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:08.159
didn't need flashlights. It was pretty well illuminated, except for

666
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:10.840
the areas where the trees were covering it was a

667
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:15.920
little darker. So I noticed at the top of the hill,

668
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:18.760
at the tree line there was a light behind a

669
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:22.880
tree and it wasn't like a flashlight projecting out, it

670
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:27.800
was just illuminated. So I asked them, I said, are

671
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:31.360
y'all seeing this, because I'm trying to make sure that

672
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:35.159
I'm not seeing things. They're like, no, there's a light

673
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:37.800
up there. I'm like, okay, we need to keep an

674
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:41.800
eye on that. So we're and just taking a look around.

675
00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:47.440
So Melissa does a couple howls. We get more boom

676
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:54.800
and more movement. Then Melissa gets sick. She gets nauseous, lightheaded,

677
00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:58.079
and I'm like, yeah, I said get in behind me.

678
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:01.519
For whatever reason, that doesn't affect me. And I don't

679
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:04.519
know why. I said, just get behind me. I'll block it.

680
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:09.440
She gets behind me, she starts to feel better. She

681
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:15.239
steps back out. Jamie Kelly is now sick, who's also

682
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:19.639
a female investigator. I said get behind me. She starts

683
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:22.760
to feel better. Now meanwhile, we're making little wolves. We're

684
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:26.000
taking a look around, we're seeing what we could see.

685
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:28.960
And as she's behind me, she goes, okay, I feel better.

686
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.360
She comes out and I look up where that light

687
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:38.960
is and now it's an oval, and I'm going, are

688
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:42.880
you seeing this? This light is illuminated. It's not projecting

689
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:46.639
out light, it's just illuminated and it's in a perfect oval.

690
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:52.239
And they're like, we're seeing this, so I wasn't just me,

691
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:56.559
And I'm like okay. So then I look and I'm like,

692
00:43:56.599 --> 00:44:00.719
what is that? This thing crawls out of this oval

693
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:04.119
and starts standing there on all fours moving back and

694
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:09.199
forth like this, and I said, and the only thing

695
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:11.920
I can say is there, that's a crawler. I don't

696
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:15.320
know what it is. It's a crawler. So I said,

697
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:18.880
I have a crawler at my twelve o'clock. Another one

698
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:22.320
comes out. I said, I have two crawlers at my

699
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:26.400
twelve o'clock, and another one comes out. I'm like, we

700
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:29.559
have three crawlers at my twelve o'clock and all of

701
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:33.519
them are down on all fours, just moving back and forth,

702
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:38.119
not physically moving forward, but just their bodies are moving.

703
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:44.280
At that time, both Jamie and Melissa get sick again.

704
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:49.639
I said, get in behind me. I said, just stay close.

705
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:54.920
Greg goes, I'm gonna make a hard growl to see

706
00:44:54.960 --> 00:45:00.679
what we can do. He lets out this growl, and

707
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:05.440
evidently one of those things those crawlers up at the

708
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:11.719
top of the hill takes aggression to that. It starts

709
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:15.719
charging us, and it's what we see are these long,

710
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:19.119
lanky arms and it's like a gallop and a crawl

711
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:24.039
at the same time. Moving. He yells haha, takes this

712
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:26.800
camera from one hand to the other, goes to grab

713
00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:30.639
his pistol. I'm like, I'm no I got to protect

714
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:34.480
these girls. So I grab my bear spray. I lunged

715
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:39.599
towards it spray the bear spray. It stops it and

716
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:44.679
it retreats back. So meanwhile the bear spray still there,

717
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:48.480
so we all have to retreat back because now we're

718
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:53.639
like whoa, And I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, what

719
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:55.960
if he misses and tries and shoots it and it

720
00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:58.880
doesn't work? What if? So the bear spray stopped it,

721
00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:04.440
and we still don't know what this thing is, and

722
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:08.440
so we're like, what is that? Like, that's it's not

723
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:11.480
a dog man, it's not a bigfoot. What is it?

724
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.480
So we retreat all the way down the hill to

725
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:19.760
where our trucks are. And so as we get to

726
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:23.079
the bottom of the hill, I see these crawlers still

727
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:28.480
up there just and movement now all around everywhere, and

728
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:32.559
we start hearing a weird dog barking in the back

729
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:36.920
of us behind us, and then we hear a woman's

730
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:41.639
scream behind us in the field. Kristen turns around with

731
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:44.559
her thermal and she goes, I have a large bipedal

732
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:48.880
creature standing in the field watching us. So she gets

733
00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:53.159
that on film. So all of this is happening. I

734
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:55.719
look to the left and me. There are red orbs

735
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:59.559
in front of my truck. There are red orbs behind

736
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.599
the other truck that we brought in. We are getting

737
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:06.199
movement now closer to us in the shrubs and bushes

738
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:09.039
and trees. The light is still up at the top

739
00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:12.199
of the hill with these things moving, and then all

740
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:15.880
of a sudden, all the batteries in our equipment dies.

741
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:19.360
This I was about to say, because every time, yeah, anyway,

742
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:19.960
keep going.

743
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:23.599
Our regular batteries that were at one hundred percent were gone.

744
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:27.480
Our backup batteries that weren't even attached to the cameras

745
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:32.280
ready to be inserted, they're gone. The zero people are

746
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:35.639
having issues with their therms, whether they can record or not.

747
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:40.519
Phones are being drained, and we're like, what is happening

748
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:45.679
right now? So we can't film anymore. Jamie still has

749
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:52.199
her therm working, she's still navigating around. Jim is still

750
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:56.440
working on his therm. And I look to the left

751
00:47:56.480 --> 00:48:01.480
of me to where my truck is, and I see,

752
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:08.000
and I can't even explain this, A large bigfoot walk

753
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:13.840
behind my truck and disappear into thin air. I'm going,

754
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:18.480
and now everybody else is looking another way. I'm looking

755
00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:22.280
this way, so nobody else saw it, and I'm going,

756
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:30.480
what is happening. I'm like, it just gone, and I'm like,

757
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:37.039
and Greg goes, listen, he goes. Under normal circumstances, if

758
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:41.360
we were doing it like an investigative like outing, we

759
00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:47.599
would stay. But right now everything's being aggressive. We're getting

760
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:50.800
a lot of negative energy in our batteries are dead,

761
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:55.119
we have no cell phone service. I think for safety purposes,

762
00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:58.960
we need to we need to retreat. So we get

763
00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:02.039
in our vehicles, we start them up, and all of

764
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:06.159
us at the same time get overwhelmed with like an

765
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:12.639
anxious sickness, like nodding, and they're pushing us out. So

766
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.920
we get up to the top of this little tiny

767
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:18.880
dirt road and make a left on another dirt road.

768
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:24.000
And as soon as we made that left, we were fine.

769
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:29.400
Portals crawlers yeah, and orbs are my yeah.

770
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.360
And I'm like, this is the LBL.

771
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:33.559
Yeah.

772
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:38.400
And you know, I've I've witnessed I'm sorry. I've spoken

773
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:43.920
to witnesses that have experienced these booming in the in

774
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:47.440
the ground shaking. I have interviewed other people that said

775
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:50.400
I've seen a portal open up and these black creatures

776
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:54.320
come crawling out and they attacked us. I have heard of.

777
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:57.800
I witnessed all of the all of this in one

778
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:02.360
week at the LBL. And you know, when I got

779
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:05.960
to the LBL and set up camp, I prayed, I meditated.

780
00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:09.079
I'm like, I want to make contact, I want to

781
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:13.360
have this experience, but you know, please protect us at

782
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:17.840
the same time. And you know, none of us were hurt.

783
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:23.599
None of us, you know, came away with permanent illnesses

784
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:28.400
or anything like that. But we got to see things

785
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:33.480
that people only hope to experience. So yeah, it was

786
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:40.400
it was insane, absolutely insane, and that was just why.

787
00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:43.880
And then the next night we had a whole different experience.

788
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:49.039
We went to a totally different area again, another graveyard,

789
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:53.119
and there was a path that took a giant loop

790
00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:57.360
around a forest, and we decided to go into two

791
00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:02.280
teams look as vulnerable as we can. And so the

792
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:05.920
team that I was on it was myself and three

793
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:12.599
other women and then two men. And so we get

794
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.679
to an area where there's power lines and we all

795
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:18.039
have heard about the power lines, how a lot of

796
00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:23.320
people have bigfoot sightings. Well, just so happens. Jamie is

797
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:28.400
insanely sensitive to cryptids. She could feel them, and she

798
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:31.440
stopped in her tracks and she goes, I have an

799
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:34.880
overwhelming feeling right now. I said, okay, let's evaluate that.

800
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:38.239
Is it the energy being given off by the power

801
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:42.039
lines or are you feeling something else? She goes, I

802
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:45.159
don't know. So her sister was there with a therm

803
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:48.960
and she was thirming around. She goes, I have a

804
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:54.000
large bipedal creature hiding behind a tree, peeking out at us.

805
00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:59.719
I'm like, well, Jamie was right, it's there, and we

806
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:03.079
can hear it moving from tree to tree and moving around,

807
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:06.320
and so I look through the therm. I saw it.

808
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:11.880
We're recording it, and it's peeking and peaking. So we're

809
00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:16.840
just standing there kind of observing. Sean, who is about

810
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:20.559
six foot one, goes, I'm going to move ahead to

811
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:22.960
see what I can do. As soon as he moved ahead,

812
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:27.639
this bigfoot took aggression and started growling at him, so

813
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.719
he moved back and I said okay. So as soon

814
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:33.800
as he moved back, the bigfoot retreated. We could hear

815
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:38.840
it walking in the forest. So we started walking. It's

816
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:43.360
now paralleling us, and we get to a little dirt

817
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:47.599
access road which goes way down a hill, and we

818
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:50.280
looked down there and I'm like, I see a campfire

819
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:54.599
and I'm like and so we looked and it was

820
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:57.599
just a truck with a little tent and a little campfire,

821
00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:00.880
and I'm like, I know, I didn't see a camper.

822
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:05.239
This thing was massive. Okay in furry, that wasn't a

823
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:09.199
camper peeking out, So it was massive. What we believe

824
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:13.360
is that this bigfoot was watching this camper, maybe to

825
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:18.599
look for food, gotcha, And we interrupted it and thinking

826
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:22.440
that we were moving in on the food source whatever,

827
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:25.239
so we were like, we're gonna just go so we

828
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:27.920
kept going away. We went away, and it didn't follow us.

829
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:31.239
So that's where like, okay, we're just gonna keep walking.

830
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:36.280
We met up with the other team exchanged some stories

831
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:38.119
because we were here in all kinds of stuff in

832
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:42.519
the forest, walking and things. So that's when Amy goes,

833
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:45.440
I have something very strange on the therm and I

834
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:49.679
don't know what it is. So she and we're like,

835
00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:52.599
She's like, no, it's very small, but it looks like

836
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:59.320
it's floating along the forest floor and we're like so

837
00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:02.719
and she goes, it's gone now and I'm like, were

838
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:05.559
you're recording. She goes yeah. So we're like, we're gonna

839
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:10.280
watch that later. So we get around, we meet back

840
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:13.199
up with the other team. We decide just to sit

841
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:17.119
and observe and small teams like a group of two here,

842
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:20.199
a group of four here, and just sit in silence

843
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:25.440
with no lights on. One team observed a large white orb.

844
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:30.320
Another team was hearing things in the woods like growling.

845
00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:35.000
Sean and I witnessed an apparition appear because we were

846
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:40.039
by the graveyard. This woman in this white flowing just

847
00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:46.400
appeared and then just disappeared. So it's I mean, it's

848
00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:50.599
just we're experiencing all this stuff around us, which was amazing.

849
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.239
And then we went and just stayed there. We stayed

850
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:57.000
there until about one thirty two o'clock in the morning,

851
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:01.719
and then we just left and went back to base camp.

852
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:07.320
And it was just an incredible, incredible journey and experience.

853
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:12.519
Yeah, that place I don't think people understand either. The

854
00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:21.199
I mean, it's almost like the perfect convergence of things.

855
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:26.440
What I mean, you're stuck lbl land between the lakes,

856
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:31.440
You're between two bodies of water You've got because they're

857
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:35.639
damned right so they're man made lakes on top of it,

858
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:42.199
and so you've got burial grounds and cemeteries and towns

859
00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:46.880
that literally got flooded ye and it. You know, sometimes

860
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:49.119
they do these things and you're like, what are they

861
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:53.079
when you start digging? What are they covering up?

862
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:54.079
Yeah?

863
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:58.599
Yeah, And I feel like I'm haven't done as much

864
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:04.559
research as i'd like there because the Alleghany National Forest

865
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:09.719
is very similar. There's there's other things going on there, right,

866
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:14.000
because you have everything, you have paranormal stuff, you have

867
00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:18.360
big It's almost like a Bigfoot dog Man boundary. And

868
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:21.679
I'm not saying but a lot of people theorize that

869
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:25.360
dog dog Man and Bigfoot are on opposite sides of

870
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:30.960
something going on, right, And it's like there's territories within

871
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:36.599
LBL that some go and some don't. You've got paranormal

872
00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:42.000
stuff coming out crazy, You've got the orbs, the portals,

873
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:46.360
what else. I had something else in my head too,

874
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:52.000
Oh there's UFO stuff and it's all which again everything

875
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:57.159
kind of melds together in rhymes a little bit. But yeah,

876
00:56:57.239 --> 00:56:58.360
that's a whole other show.

877
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:03.559
Yeah, it does as it overlaps, and I saw Melissa

878
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:06.400
did a little research after we got back from the

879
00:57:06.519 --> 00:57:08.840
LBL and she goes, I have something to show you.

880
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:15.079
She goes, it's ai but it's based on people's description

881
00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:19.199
of a rake, and she goes, I just want you

882
00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:20.719
to look at it. So she sent it to the

883
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:25.360
group and so we're looking at it and we're like okay,

884
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:29.800
and then it gets down on all fours and starts

885
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:33.519
moving back and forth, and Greg and I go, that's

886
00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:37.960
what it is. That's what we saw. That's exactly what

887
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:40.239
it was. But it was dark, and of course they

888
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:45.159
were dark because it's dark, and so I'm like, holy crap,

889
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:48.239
that's what it was. So I think when people use

890
00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:53.559
the term crawler sometimes Bigfoot gets down on all fours

891
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:54.199
and crawls.

892
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:57.280
Yeah. They And there's been a lot of sightings and

893
00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:03.239
it seems like it's becoming more uh prevalent, where bigfoot's

894
00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:08.639
like literally almost like on its arms and legs but

895
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:10.280
just like flat to the ground.

896
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:15.440
Yeah. So I think crawler is a general term used

897
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:20.199
for cryptids on all fours. I try. That's just my opinion,

898
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:24.239
I you know. But what we saw, what we couldn't explain,

899
00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:26.119
was like there is a crawler, but we don't know

900
00:58:26.119 --> 00:58:29.039
what it is. And then once she showed us this

901
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:32.239
this video, We're like, and both Greg and I at

902
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:35.039
the same time, that's it. That's it, that's what we saw.

903
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:41.199
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, there is. I want to see if

904
00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:44.039
I can. I've never done this, but I'm gonna try.

905
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:50.599
And of course nothing's working. Why is working? Because you

906
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:54.719
know what? So here's the deal. I've been having technical

907
00:58:54.760 --> 00:59:00.400
issues with everything but the recording. Okay, I usually say

908
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:08.760
a prayer before I record, and none of my internet

909
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:14.199
stuff is working. Oh so I so there's and I'm

910
00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:17.280
not saying, oh, something's messing with my whatever, but I've

911
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:19.800
had this happen and I found it funny that when

912
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:21.800
we first started, your speakers weren't working.

913
00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:24.880
I know, my speakers weren't working and my video glitched.

914
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:31.280
I almost always say that every time I've had an issue.

915
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:37.519
I never I didn't pray before at the I mean,

916
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:40.239
I've had shows that we almost you know, like guys

917
00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:43.800
like Jerry Marzenzk. I don't know if you've ever heard

918
00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:49.880
of this guy, but he's a psychotherapist who who believes

919
00:59:49.960 --> 01:00:00.039
that schizophrenia is demons. Essentially, I couldn't get we I

920
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:03.800
went twenty minutes trying to get equipment to work, and

921
01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:06.360
then we said a prayer and it all popped up.

922
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:09.840
It was so bizarre, and that's happened multiple times to me,

923
01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:13.360
and people that have been doing this a while agree, Yeah,

924
01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:16.199
so it does anyway. So I have a picture of

925
01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:21.760
a rake cool in the Allegany National Forest. Oh, I

926
01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:24.400
put it in the show notes, but because I wanted

927
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:27.079
to show it to you. Yeah, I'll send it to you.

928
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:28.159
Okay, Cool.

929
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:30.480
For some reason, I can't, like you know how you

930
01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:33.960
share screen and pull it. Yeah, it will not come up,

931
01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:37.480
and it could just be a regular glitch, but other

932
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:38.800
things are glitching right now.

933
01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:41.800
Yeah. Well I can tell you. When I'm on paranormal

934
01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:45.000
podcasts and I start talking about the deep paranormal and

935
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:49.519
we did a show on demon possession, my light kept

936
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:53.639
going real bright. Oh yeah, out in and out. And

937
01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:57.599
it's a joke now that when that happens, it's like

938
01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:01.800
spirits here, like we can hear you yep or something.

939
01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:03.679
You know. I'm telling you.

940
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:08.679
They they know, they yeah, they do. And so I

941
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:13.119
have a spirit here visiting me in the last twenty

942
01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:17.920
four hours and they're just hanging out. Don't know why,

943
01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:19.039
but they're just hanging out with me.

944
01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:21.760
Yeah, yep, this is not working for me at all.

945
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:27.000
What is all that so weird? Oh we see here

946
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:31.480
now I'm talking about it. Things are happening.

947
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:32.800
Oh good.

948
01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:39.280
So it's it's obviously like in perfect cryptid fashion. It's

949
01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:46.000
very grainy. But and here's the thing I cannot somebody's

950
01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:49.679
got it, but I cannot find the original. It's from

951
01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:54.039
a traio cam in the Allegating National Forest and it

952
01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:57.119
was a it's a campsite next to the we I

953
01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:00.480
will not stay in that campsite because I really at

954
01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:04.760
the Willies big time. It's right next to a stream. Oh,

955
01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:09.960
there's there's some other things going on. There's some underground.

956
01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:14.800
There's definitely like some water features underground because there's a

957
01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:18.639
couple natural springs popping from there too. And it's like

958
01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:22.400
this convergent spot and I I don't even like driving

959
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:25.119
through it, but we have to drive over it to

960
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:28.400
get to where we do our research. And it's from

961
01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:36.360
that this campsite. Let's see if I can openness and

962
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:45.440
show you maybe. But yeah, it's it's uh, it's kind

963
01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:45.920
of wild.

964
01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:53.760
Yeah. I we actually have a friend Jerry U in NCI.

965
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:59.880
He his property is wildly active with cryptids and paranor

966
01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:04.880
and he has on one of his cameras. I don't

967
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:06.519
know if it was a game camera or if it

968
01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:11.239
was a like one of his just ring cameras, but

969
01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:15.639
it's a shadow of a bigfoot with the rake right

970
01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:20.800
beside it, and I'm going, are you kidding me? Right now?

971
01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:23.280
He's like, there's activity, And there's times when we were

972
01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:25.760
on podcasts together and he had to run outside because

973
01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:28.679
his farm animals were going crazy because there was something

974
01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:32.800
out there. It's it's insane. I'm like, I want to

975
01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:35.880
go camping on your property. I just want to go

976
01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:38.519
there for a couple of days and just experience whatever

977
01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:45.840
is out there. It's crazy saying if I can do this, Okay,

978
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:46.679
I've done it.

979
01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:52.519
Of course it's doing weird things.

980
01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:54.000
So of course it is.

981
01:03:55.199 --> 01:04:04.079
Come on, man, there.

982
01:04:12.920 --> 01:04:19.119
There is yeah. Oh yes, I can't.

983
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:20.000
There we go.

984
01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:24.519
Look at that, and I don't know.

985
01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:27.679
If I can zoom in. I don't know how that works.

986
01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:30.800
Either way. You can say you can see the figure

987
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:35.519
right right right next to that tent t pizza tent,

988
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:40.400
and then that's like a zoomed in Look at how

989
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:41.400
long the arm is?

990
01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:43.360
Yeah, long and the guy.

991
01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:45.599
The guy that gave us that he was out, I

992
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:49.880
mean we talked to him. He uh, he packed up

993
01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:52.599
and he was going to spend the whole week out there,

994
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:55.920
and he after he caught that on his game camera,

995
01:04:56.559 --> 01:05:00.760
he uh packed up and took off because he heard

996
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:04.880
it outside his tent. And I mean we're talking, We're

997
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:11.320
talking like a thirty minute, thirty five minute drive in

998
01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:14.920
off of a hard paved road, right, I mean we're

999
01:05:15.079 --> 01:05:19.800
out there. Cell phone service doesn't work. Yeah, it's it's

1000
01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:24.800
just it's as remote as you're going to get. And man, so.

1001
01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:29.199
Yeah, that's that's what nightmares are made out of, right there.

1002
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:35.159
So of course, do you know do you know Brook Dark, Florida? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1003
01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:37.960
that's it's obviously it's I sent this to her a

1004
01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:40.639
while back. I'm like, I'm like, where can I find

1005
01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:42.119
it working? Yeah?

1006
01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:43.960
She's awesome. I love Brook.

1007
01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:46.840
Yeah, she's she's pretty cool.

1008
01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:47.159
We do.

1009
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:52.360
Uh so you know, well you might have met Nick

1010
01:05:52.440 --> 01:05:58.840
as well at a show somewhere from the Occult Rejects.

1011
01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:03.280
Yeah yeah, so, I you know her and I go

1012
01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:05.360
on I show quite a bit. Yeah.

1013
01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:07.800
I love Brooke, I love Nick. They are a ton

1014
01:06:07.880 --> 01:06:09.559
of fun, A ton of fun.

1015
01:06:10.119 --> 01:06:14.679
He's the next off of work. But anyway, I.

1016
01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:17.679
Want to see him next week on his show next week.

1017
01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:19.800
Oh yeah, so am I I'll be there.

1018
01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:21.039
Okay, good bye.

1019
01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:25.760
I forgot so I'm one of the rejects on that show. Yeah,

1020
01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:27.079
I forgot all about that.

1021
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:30.880
Yeah, he's he's a hoop. Because we were at the.

1022
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:34.199
Probably he'll probably give me a hard time. He'll be like, yes,

1023
01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:39.960
stole her from me, and yeah, I'll just make sure

1024
01:06:40.239 --> 01:06:43.159
because he does. Yeah. Anyway, so Fort Myers.

1025
01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:46.280
Sorry, Yeah, So we were all in Fort Myers together

1026
01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:51.639
at that conference, at the the Paranormal Cryptid Conference, and

1027
01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:55.599
so it was the Beyond Belief and it was such

1028
01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:58.039
a cool experience and so we all got to hang

1029
01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:00.480
out afterwards and go to dinner and it was a fun.

1030
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:02.639
Yeah. He said he had a ton of fun at that. Yeah.

1031
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:07.679
You need to come down. Yeah. Yeah, even my door,

1032
01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:09.920
see crazy stuff.

1033
01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:11.079
What's happening?

1034
01:07:11.239 --> 01:07:16.400
My door just opened up for no reason, and I

1035
01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:22.920
make sure that it's shut. Yeh. See what are you doing?

1036
01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:26.960
I know, I know I'm projected. I've projected some energy

1037
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:29.960
towards you.

1038
01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:33.000
My oldest daughter that lives at home, her room is

1039
01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:36.719
next right next to my I don't know, office studio,

1040
01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:41.800
whatever you want to call this, and yeah, so I

1041
01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:44.719
always make sure it's shut because you know, if she's

1042
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:48.599
coming back and forth, you know, I don't want to yeah,

1043
01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:54.559
but uh yeah, wow, all right, see we got activity

1044
01:07:54.599 --> 01:07:58.639
on the show too, unreal.

1045
01:07:59.320 --> 01:07:59.920
That's what I do.

1046
01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:05.679
All right. So Natalie amazing, amazing stories and I'm sure

1047
01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:07.400
we could go on for another hour.

1048
01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:09.039
Oh I'm sure, yeah yea.

1049
01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:15.360
But so two things are The show is called Broadcasting Seeds,

1050
01:08:16.399 --> 01:08:19.479
and we've covered a lot of ground tonight, and I'd

1051
01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:22.960
like to What I do is have my guests plant

1052
01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:27.800
some seeds in the audience's mind. Plant some seeds of things. See,

1053
01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:29.520
this thing keeps opening, this.

1054
01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:34.159
Is weird, this is that very odd. Somebody wants to

1055
01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:36.319
come in and join the podcast.

1056
01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:45.840
And it's latched, fun stuff. So plant some seeds in

1057
01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:49.479
the audience's mind about you know, whatever you know. Given

1058
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:50.479
I would love.

1059
01:08:50.319 --> 01:08:54.560
To, yeah, because I think the one thing that I

1060
01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:57.399
try to let people know is that we are a community.

1061
01:08:58.119 --> 01:09:01.319
We are here to support another and if you have

1062
01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:04.800
a story, or if you have experienced anything or seen anything,

1063
01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:09.800
share that. And what you might think is minor, or

1064
01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:13.079
you're afraid to say something, you know, reach out to

1065
01:09:13.119 --> 01:09:17.439
somebody in the cryptid or paranormal community, because what you

1066
01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:22.520
might experience in Virginia, you might think, oh, that's a

1067
01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:25.840
just one time, one off, but other people might be

1068
01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:29.760
experiencing the same thing. And so once you have an

1069
01:09:29.800 --> 01:09:33.279
experience here and an experience here and experience here, now

1070
01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:36.600
you're creating evidence and that evidence is going to bring

1071
01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:39.880
us further towards the truth. And so we are here

1072
01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:44.439
to support you. And nobody within the community should put

1073
01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:49.079
you down, should make fun of you, should dismiss what

1074
01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:56.479
you have experienced. True cryptid and paranormal investigators that value

1075
01:09:56.680 --> 01:10:00.199
their craft will support you and understand what you're saying.

1076
01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:05.560
So definitely share your stories, share your experiences. And also

1077
01:10:06.319 --> 01:10:09.000
if you're thinking, you know, you're sitting on the couch

1078
01:10:09.079 --> 01:10:11.720
and you're wondering whether or not that you know, should

1079
01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:13.880
I go out, you know, go take a hike in

1080
01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:16.760
a national forest, go out and explore a little bit,

1081
01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:21.760
and just really decompress from all the stress of life.

1082
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:24.880
Because even though we go out and investigate a lot

1083
01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:28.279
of times, it's just beautiful being in nature to.

1084
01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:30.560
Go and witness, so touch the grass.

1085
01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:35.119
Yeah, yeah, sit down and just listen to the birds,

1086
01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:40.600
listen to the crickets. Just decompress and get grounded, and

1087
01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:42.760
you will find that a lot of your stress and

1088
01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:46.520
anxiety will just melt away, which is just beautiful. And

1089
01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:49.119
they maybe if if you're lucky, you'll you'll get to

1090
01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:51.720
see something that you have never experienced before.

1091
01:10:52.119 --> 01:10:54.159
And it's the side of it too, Just to bring

1092
01:10:54.199 --> 01:10:57.640
it up. You know, I've dealt with some pretty like

1093
01:10:57.760 --> 01:11:01.720
scary stuff out there, right, oh yeah, and in the moment,

1094
01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:05.760
it's scary, but it's like never precludes me from going back.

1095
01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:09.560
Like there's people that they get ruined, but it's usually

1096
01:11:09.640 --> 01:11:11.560
those folks that are on the fence anyway.

1097
01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:16.079
Yeah, right, they're on the fence or there, or they're

1098
01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:18.960
just absolute disbelievers, like it doesn't happen. Then all of

1099
01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:21.279
a sudden, a bigfoot shows up in front of them,

1100
01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:25.600
right or do or dog man or something, and then

1101
01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:29.720
they are they were so dead set against it that

1102
01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:32.600
now they are so dead set about going out and

1103
01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:37.159
it ruins their lives. And yeah, you know, just educate yourself.

1104
01:11:37.159 --> 01:11:40.680
There's a lot of books out there, there's documentaries, there's

1105
01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:43.439
a lot of people that you can ask questions to

1106
01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:46.560
or go to. There's conferences all over that you can

1107
01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:50.560
go to and ask your questions. So definitely support them

1108
01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:52.840
because they're out there to help people.

1109
01:11:53.399 --> 01:12:00.600
Yeah, have you watched David Polate's is new documentary that

1110
01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:01.279
just came out.

1111
01:12:01.760 --> 01:12:02.640
I have not yet.

1112
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:02.960
Oo.

1113
01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:08.039
Man, what is it called? American sasquatch Man, meth or Monster?

1114
01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:11.680
I mean right now, I think the only place you

1115
01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:15.760
can watch it is on Prime and it's like twenty bucks.

1116
01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:17.840
Yeah.

1117
01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:22.239
I actually paid it because I watched a question and

1118
01:12:22.439 --> 01:12:27.520
answer a Q and A on YouTube after and I

1119
01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:29.800
just like I was like, fine, I'll pay the money.

1120
01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:34.159
And plus you're supporting whatever you know right right. It

1121
01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:36.880
was a very very well done documentary.

1122
01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:38.600
Just see that's fantasy.

1123
01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:42.079
I'm kind of plugging it here, like go check it.

1124
01:12:42.159 --> 01:12:46.079
Yeah, yeah, he's yeah, absolutely check it out because I

1125
01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:48.880
know a lot of hard work and dedication went into

1126
01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:49.279
that movie.

1127
01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:53.159
I love like with him, he's not letting that DNA test,

1128
01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:57.960
the DNA, the catchum genome, you know, the Bigfoot genome

1129
01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:06.399
study this on. Yes, you know, he's not letting it die. Yeah,

1130
01:13:07.319 --> 01:13:13.840
And I love that anyway, So tell people where they

1131
01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:15.039
can find you. Once again.

1132
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:18.439
Yeah. Absolutely. You can find me on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok,

1133
01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:21.640
and YouTube under Natalie Sneerman. You can also find me

1134
01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:26.680
at Relic Films Media on Facebook and YouTube. We have

1135
01:13:27.159 --> 01:13:30.319
Beyond the Ordinary talk show out on YouTube right now

1136
01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:36.039
under the Relic Films label, and our documentary The Vanished

1137
01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:40.720
will be premiere January thirty first in Gardendale, Alabama. We're

1138
01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:43.960
also holding a small conference as well during that time,

1139
01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:46.159
so it's going to be a ton of great speakers, vendors,

1140
01:13:46.479 --> 01:13:50.239
a lot of fun, and then that will be streaming afterwards.

1141
01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:53.680
You can find me on Paranormal among Us every Tuesday

1142
01:13:54.279 --> 01:13:58.359
at seven thirty Eastern on YouTube, and Blondes and Booze

1143
01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:03.720
every Thursday at nine pm Eastern, So definitely check it out.

1144
01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:05.520
It's a lot of fun. We have a lot of

1145
01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:07.479
fun and a lot of laughs.

1146
01:14:08.439 --> 01:14:10.600
Awesome. I appreciate you coming on.

1147
01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:11.680
Thank you.

1148
01:14:11.920 --> 01:14:13.079
We'll do it again at something.

1149
01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:15.079
Oh yeah, sure, and I'll see you Wednesday.

1150
01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:20.520
Yeah, okay, forgot about that. Yeah, it's crazy, all right,

1151
01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:21.840
take care, Natalie.

1152
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:22.680
Thank you so much.

1153
01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:31.399
She was young, shadows, smooth corners, whisper names, colder, crawling.

1154
01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:40.640
I've never filed the same figure standing just outside. We

1155
01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:46.399
shouldn't be so from the dark, the old damn life.

1156
01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:53.479
She learned how to listen quietly, not everydoors man to

1157
01:14:53.560 --> 01:15:00.279
stay shut, not every voice alive, so true sto don't

1158
01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:01.840
come out in daylight.

1159
01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:09.119
They come with the forest replies. There are voices in

1160
01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:10.840
the sounder.

1161
01:15:10.720 --> 01:15:17.079
Footsteps just beyond the fire. Some the action from the tree.

1162
01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:20.199
Line, breathing deeper than desire.

1163
01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:25.199
If you walk far enough into the world, you'll hear

1164
01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:28.399
what the silence knows truth.

1165
01:15:28.520 --> 01:15:34.960
Don't scream. The way in the places slows, swunkle.

1166
01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:47.720
Boots on dirt, eyes on sidece broke, and branches badly.

1167
01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:54.760
Every map leaves something out of Skeptics miss and teeth,

1168
01:15:56.399 --> 01:16:01.359
big foot shadows crossing Robot's footprints faded in the time.

1169
01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:04.640
You don't shay surgends into the.

1170
01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:08.399
Woods unless something's calling you inside.

1171
01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:16.840
Not everything that hides is evil. Not everything means run.

1172
01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:22.000
Some stories are older than language, And then I don't

1173
01:16:22.039 --> 01:16:23.159
being told yet.

1174
01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:29.600
Some there are voices in the timber, hands on bard, breath,

1175
01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:34.880
hell tide, something move and through the undergrowth.

1176
01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:36.920
And never learn to fear the lake.

1177
01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:43.920
If you listen long enough, the limb will say your name.

1178
01:16:44.680 --> 01:16:50.239
Truth don't screek even way. Swear the ouse still remembers

1179
01:16:50.239 --> 01:16:57.600
the flame lab between the lakes.

1180
01:16:58.119 --> 01:17:04.760
Swear the ruse, fear, crawlers in the dark.

1181
01:17:04.600 --> 01:17:07.319
And voices with no skin.

1182
01:17:08.439 --> 01:17:14.800
Not all e ghost come from mouths, not allornings calling words.

1183
01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:20.800
Some arcaed on the wind. Some sound like prayers.

1184
01:17:20.840 --> 01:17:21.520
You heard.

1185
01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:30.760
You're not crazy for hearing it. You're not alone for

1186
01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:36.479
seeing it. You just stepp twere others wouldn't. And the

1187
01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:41.039
lin notice there are voices in the.

1188
01:17:41.119 --> 01:17:45.039
Timber calling seekers home.

1189
01:17:46.199 --> 01:17:54.399
Commute eighty fours the stories, so nobody walks on, go outside.

1190
01:17:54.079 --> 01:18:00.560
Touch the earth, that the night explain truth. Don't scream

1191
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:19.560
in ways untain. She walks slow, open heart, steady. And

1192
01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:22.359
if something speaks.

1193
01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:22.000
But.

1194
01:18:24.560 --> 01:18:26.680
You're ready, listen.

1195
01:18:28.039 --> 01:18:28.079
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