June 4, 2026

UAPs and Reality: Tom Vernon on Black Triangles, Disclosure & The Powers of the Air

UAPs and Reality: Tom Vernon on Black Triangles, Disclosure & The Powers of the Air
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UAPs and Reality: Tom Vernon on Black Triangles, Disclosure & The Powers of the Air
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In this episode of Broadcasting Seeds, Bennett Tanton sits down with Tom Vernon, contributor to the UAP Files podcast, field investigator, researcher, and one of the most thoughtful voices in the modern UAP conversation. Tom has gone far beyond simply reading reports or debating whether UAPs are real. He has been involved in serious field investigations using radar, infrared cameras, RF spectrum analyzers, sensors, and real-time observation methods. In this conversation, we get into what those sensors are actually catching, why some UAP events seem to interact with human consciousness, and why black triangle sightings may point to something far more complicated than “aliens from another planet.” We also discuss Tom’s interviews with military witnesses, the Vandenberg incidents, Salvatore Pais, advanced aerospace patents, plasma, mass reduction technology, government secrecy, disclosure failures, and whether the biblical phrase “the prince of the power of the air” might fit the UAP phenomenon better than the standard extraterrestrial explanation. This conversation goes deep into UAPs, reality, consciousness, spirituality, black budget technology, and the uncomfortable possibility that humanity is not as in control as it thinks it is.

Tom Vernon - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC63KQfZzjGC4vywpoVcOPnQ https://ko-fi.com/tomvernonuap

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Something turns up the size of a football stadium whilst

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you're riding a horse for fishing game in the middle

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of the night and lands one hundred yards away from you.

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I don't care if you're like King carn Donald Schwartz,

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Nigger Rambo. That's going to terrify you. And what's worse

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is when you then trust the authority and the structure

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and you do your job and report it and you're

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ostracized for that. Reality is classified.

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In the Tom Vernon has been in the field literally,

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not reading reports, not reviewing declassified documents from an office,

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actually in the field with radar, infrared cameras, RF spectrum

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analyzers and sensors running watching things happen in real time

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that have no conventional explanation. He's a contributor to the

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UAP Files podcast. He's interviewed active and former military witnesses.

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He sat across from Salvatore Piez, the US and Navy

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physicist whose patents describe plasma compression, fusion and what he

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calls breaking space time. And recently, during a live investigation,

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Tom and his team captured radar targets appeared appearing and

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vanishing Compass anomalies and three gigahert frequency spikes, all simultaneously,

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all on sensors, all on camera. Today we're getting into

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what the sensors actually caught, what Tom believes the government

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already knows, whether the technology being described lines up with

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what scripture calls the powers of the air, and the

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question nobody in the UAP space wants to ask out loud,

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what if this isn't extraterrestrial at all? Tom? You've done

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live field investigations of serious sensor equipment, right, We've talked,

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We've talked to military witnesses, You've sat with Salvatore Pious.

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Most people in the space are still debriefing, debriefing whether

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UAPs are real. You're past that, So let me ask

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you the question my audience is going to want answered

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from minute one. What do you think this actually is?

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And why does the government seem more interested in keeping

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that answer buried then and finding it?

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What a thunderstorm of a question. I love it. I

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think it's nature. I think it's another side of nature

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that we don't understand yet, we don't even understand ourselves.

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But I think the quickest summary is we used to

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think that illness was bad spirits until we discovered it

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was life forms we didn't understand. Now you'll see modern politicians,

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some of them described this as demonic or angelic or

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whatever depending on their viewpoint. And it's nature. It acts

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as a cultural acupuncture if you like. And as Terence

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McKenna said, it's poison to science. Science it has become

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or is the billionaires are trying to force science to

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be our new god. And the UAP or the cryptid,

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the parapsychological, whatever you want to call it. The extra

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and normal actors poison to that, and it shows science

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that it has no power over nature.

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Wow, I love it. I didn't expect that answer, but

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I love it.

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I think it's that question. But thank you.

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Yeah, no, I told you. I told you you were

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going or going in.

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I love it. Man.

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I mean, walk me through what a field investigation actually

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looks like. Like most people, most people imagine someone standing

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in a field with a flashlight, right, yeap, what are

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you actually running? Like? What equipment? What methodology?

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Okay, well we've got to start at like eighty thousand

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feet with this. Yeah, so I have the only thing

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I've got is some night vision goggles that I was

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sent through remarkable synchronicity and generosity. However, through connections that

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I have made, which i've given up thinking well that

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was a coincidence, I've become entangled with the Tedesco brothers,

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which I'm sure people will know is the night Crawl

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Eye on the sky guys. Now, you can't just turn

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up somewhere with radar and all of this gear without

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getting in a lot of trouble very very quickly. But

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they have been doing field work. They've got they started

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in like a winter Bay goal, think breaking bad with radar.

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Now they have this giant motor home with multi spectral analysis,

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and I've been getting their footage to analyze because I've

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seen the same thing. So we found ourselves with a

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shared goal and shared experiences, and their findings are extraordinary,

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and I honestly there is there is no explanation other

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than this is something we don't understand. I mean, it's bizarre,

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the ontological immune system. Because so far, I've only shared

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one of the clips that they sent me of this

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basketball sized orb of light coming in and I actually

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muted it the footage that they sent me because it

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terrifies the person who is filming it. And they didn't

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want to be embarrassed and be kind of known for

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that ask NoMagic. But what's interesting is this thing noticed

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that it was causing distress and it comes in from

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out to sea like this, and the recorder says, oh,

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and it's coming right for Oh, we need to go,

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the camera and it stops, backs off and it just

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hovers there and the recorder. Their mood changes in a

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heartbeat from fear to oh, it's so beautiful. Look at that?

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Isn't that beautiful? And I, the person that took the footage,

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is convinced that it had an awareness of their emotions.

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of the old the Biblical be not afraid and this

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kind of stuff. When the extraordinary happens, the animalistic instinct

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is fight or flight, and this thing has the ability

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to ameliate that. You look at Betty and Barney Hill.

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Betty Hill has this lovely like sitcom experience where she's

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walking around a spaceship saying, where are you guys from?

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You know, maybe I could get you to meet the

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president stuff. Meanwhile, Barney in the next room is having

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a very dark, difficult time. So this, this phenomena at

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least has the ability to sense and then perhaps manipulate

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our emotions. But what they're capturing is orbs, and they

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have got footage of craft. But their footage of orbs

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is absolutely extraordinary because it's not in some special secret place.

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It's they're just out there in the wild and they

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they're kind of they look like a thing that's out

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in its habitat. And why it's so compelling because this

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is what I've seen in Spain with multiple witnesses multiple times,

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one of whom's Jeff News to tell you you've testified

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to Congress last year, and who's ex air Force, so

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he knows what stuff in the sky should look like.

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Uh.

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And it seems to be a global phenomena. You know,

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there's nothing unique about me. I wouldn't. There's no sort

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of Ponzi scheme of spirituality or whatever. I just happen

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to be in the right place, optimistic, appreciative of my environment,

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and this stuff seems to want to come and play.

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And I think your intent is fundamental to your experience.

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I could ramble about this for a very very long

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time and examples of the negative and positive. But I

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think it's as simple as that we like to complicate

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things with protocol and rank and it doesn't matter. And

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I think that's the indigestible part to government. Is the

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difficult thing for people to get is you have no

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privacy from this. You know, you don't need to go

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to a spiritual place to communicate with it. You can't

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keep secrets from it, you can't play tricks on it,

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you can't lay traps for it. And so we are

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not a race prone to humility. And to know that

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something has the capability at least two completely undo all

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of our plans and schemes and overpower our most prized

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technical possessions is very de very worrying to systems of

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power that we to crack in the pillar, if you like,

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of the things that keep our society suspended. I mean,

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it's it's a lot to swallow. But at the end

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of the day, I think the difficult thing is, you know,

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I mean to be cheesy, America says one nation under God,

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and it's like, well, what if we have to redefine

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what something that has control over us and rewards in

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a way positive actions, you know, this all, this is

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where we can get to we talk about mother nature

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and perhaps there is some form of or authority above

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us in terms of maintaining control of the planet.

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Yeah, that true story. So you've talked to military witnesses.

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What separates a credible witness in this space from someone

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who's embellishing? And what's what's the most credible thing you've

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heard that the public doesn't really know yet?

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Oh what a question. Okay for me, as soon as

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somebody tells me they've got a conclusion, I start tuning out.

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To be honest, I think that if this thing is

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is beyond our So if you think of an ecosystem

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as a huge variety of different entities, all acting with

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their own intent and behaviors and things they want to

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do and things they want to protect from, and accidentally

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at all balances out. But we can't apply our view

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of what's good and bad to any other life. For like,

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I mean, to a fish, if the entire world was flooded,

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everything would be great, you know, but that's just not

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how it works with us. And I know, I know

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that's a weird example. But anybody that says they're all evil,

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so well, what does that mean, you know, when when

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I take my dog to the vet, she thinks I'm evil,

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but I'm doing it for the greater good of a

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complexity of issues that she could never understand, you know, yes, right,

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So anybody that says there's this many of them and

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they you know, this is what their favorite food is,

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this is the kind of music they like, and this

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is this is what they do. I lose interest because

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it's a coping mechanism to try and convince ourselves that

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we've understood something all the way through and that we

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need to be humble enough. Science should be humble enough

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to be broken and updated. That's how it grows back stronger.

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And we seem to be in a period where attention

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is the most valuable commodity on Earth, and there's no

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better way to get attention than to say I've got

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it all figured out. Guys follow me for just nine

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ninety nine, And unfortunately that's not it. But then when

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you get people that have no skin in the game.

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For want of a better word, this thing is uniquely humbling.

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And what it does is it rips away your worldview,

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your status, your position and in social structures and leaves

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hopefully a curious mind afterwards, and all that's left is

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what the Greeks would call your muses and graces, you know,

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your your empathy or integrity, your curiosity. And I think

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that it's when people display those characteristics, when they describe this,

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that you get a much clearer idea of what's happened.

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You know.

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Wow.

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Yeah, And so with the military guys, like I know,

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I know several and and and again you could you

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can zoom out and look at just how bizarre that

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is that a farmer's son has become friends with colonels

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and ex military policemen and that kind of stuff. You know,

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it's ridiculous. And yet we share that those vulnerable moments

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which are stigmatized by our society that we happen to

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live in which nobody believes other than people that have

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had these experiences. And that's a uniquely kind of unifying

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experience for folks. You and I have both had extraordinary experiences,

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and I'm sure that that's a part of the reason

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that we've got such a strong bond. And when the

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military guys, because your life is older and faith in

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the bigger machine that you're helping to carry, and when

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these guys have experiences which rip all the badges off

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your shoulder and take you down to being a scared animal,

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you know, looking at something that doesn't understand. You can

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get some very profoundly honest statements from it, like they

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have been so fortunate to become friends with lots of

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the military policemen that were present at the Vandenberg incident.

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Oh yeah, and when you hear guys that are trained,

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they're trained to react faster than thought. You know, they're

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that disciplined and that will practiced at what they do,

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that whatever comes over the horizon they can respond to

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in a heartbeat. They they're they're guarding America's biggest and

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the world's biggest spaceport, which also has military and intelligence areas.

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And let's be honest, most of the public doesn't even know.

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About Yeah, well exactly, and well you know, they.

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Know about it, but they don't know what it.

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Is precisely, so you know, I don't need to dig

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that hole. But but you know, something turns up the

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size of a football stadium whilst you're riding a horse

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for fishing game in the middle of the night and

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lands one hundred yards away from you. You know, I

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don't care if you're like King carn Donald Schwartz, Nigger Rambo.

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That's going to terrify you. And what's worse is when

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you then trust the authority and the structure and you

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do your job and report it and you're ostracized for that.

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And as as Jeff news Telly says, which is a

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great quote, reality is classified.

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Yeah, I mean, and we won't even get into that,

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the whole VanderBurg incident because it's just wild.

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It's one of many.

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It's nobody knows about it, not many, not neu us,

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even though wow, it's that's a whole other episode.

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It is, it really is, And that's something. There's something

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for you that I haven't told anybody else. That's something

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Jeff and I are going to do is present a

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timeline of just how weird Vandenberg is. It's gone from

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having rockets shot down by a UFO to rockets hitting

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an invisible barrier in the sky and that crash. Ever,

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going anywhere near Wikipedia, you can't find anything other than

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witnesses of it two, you know, closing out of the

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third gund actually happening essentially, Yes, on multiple occasions they

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would see tic TACs out to see and yet none

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of this is acknowledged, and it's the most sensitive area

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probably in the world.

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I was there, I think you and I talked about

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this briefly, which I was. It was our home base

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for thirty days as we did drunk drug interdiction in

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California when I was in the Marine Corps. Yeah, and

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we got to see a Titan launch. It was one

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of the coolest things I've ever seen, you know, where

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they were testing the I think it's I think it

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was the Titan. Maybe it was. Yeah, want one of

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our intercontinental ballistic missiles.

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Yeah, usually named after Greek myth.

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Yeah, it could be Tighten or Atlas. I don't remember

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which one it was, but either way I can find

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that out. But yeah, So you come at this from

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a research and I mean you come at it from

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more than that. But let's just from research and evidence standpoint, right,

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And I come at this mainly through scripture. But here's

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where I think we land in the same place you

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take Ephesians to to which call Satan or the enemy

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the prints of the power of the air. Okay, Now,

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if there's an intelligence, is intelligence operating in the atmosphere

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manipulating physical sensors and bending the electromagnetic fields. Doesn't that

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fit a biblical framework more than an alien one.

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Of course, I don't think there's any evidence for these

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being alien, by which I mean something from off this planet,

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because we keep building bigger and bigger telescopes. We can

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just about see to the end of the galaxy now,

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and we're not seeing you know, vapor trails and smudges

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and air shows on Jupiter or anything like that. It's here.

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It's a facet of nature and whatever this is. And

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I stole the term from you shamelessly, the psychosphere, and

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that's where this stuff lives. You know, there's there's we're

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so shuttered. I mean an example, I can give you

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a weird example right now, how reductory our senses are.

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So I found this when I was walking my dog

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this morning, and it's a crow feather. And when we

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see this like it's jet black. But if you see that,

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if you could see ultraviolet, the thing is irridescent, beautifully

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complicated and colored. And I think that reality can be

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distilled down to like that. As an example, like we

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can only see through our very limited senses. We can't

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hear the millions of radio stations beaming all through our

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body all the time. We can't monitor the entire Internet,

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which is being broadcast wirelessly from space all the time.

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And I think that above this physical there is a

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realm of non physical, you know, and we're not just

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data but intelligences where essentially life is. And we have

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to reassess what consciousness really means. I mean, is a

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virus conscious?

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You know?

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We treat the one that happened a few years ago

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as if it was one great invading army, right in

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actual fact, you know, maybe it's just all these little

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dependent things. But the point is we only know what

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consciousness is from ourselves. I'm looking down on the animal kingdom.

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But just yesterday there's a physics channel that I love,

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and they've found out that sperm whales have a phonetic language.

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So we're finding out more and more that life is

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so much more complex than we thought. We are not

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the masters of anything, We're an integral part of it,

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and there's probably something above us.

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Absolutely, I mean, it's definitely possible, right.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I and I honestly, I mean,

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I take what you say about about the scripture because

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I I would loosely describe faith as something that you

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believe without proof, without physical proof, But that's something which

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can be a truth to you. Yeah, And whatever your

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religious belief, it relies on those things. And the UFO

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or something like Bigfoot or Mothman or any of these

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real encounters that people have had don't fit into the

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physical They exist up there. And I think just as

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I temporarily can dive into the water with a snorkel

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on and be in that realm, this stuff can manifest

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physically to do whatever it needs to do temporarily. And

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maybe what it needs to do is shake us out

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of our cultural beliefs and and it's like the entropy,

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it is so limited. Yeah, it leaves us with wonder

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and curiosity, and it catalyzes our development, sometimes against our will.

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You know, my life has changed indescribably since my first sighting.

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And when you multiply that all around world, that's a

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lot of weird little ripples. So that seems we have

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to say, if it's complicated enough to do all this stuff,

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then you have to presume that it's getting the end

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result that it wants. So that end result is changes

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in worldview, you know, humility, curiosity, and so maybe that's

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what its job is as simple as that. You know

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Uckham's razor is, well, maybe it's a it's a performance

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changing thing. Maybe that's its role is to make us

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keep striving and innovating and updating our beliefs.

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I mean, I love your analogy of the water right

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and people. I mean it's like everyone knows this to

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be real, but that is a completely foreign environment to us, absolutely,

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Like people love this. I love to swim, but do

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you realize that how many life forms they breathe there?

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Like what we do out here they can't do out here,

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and what we can't do there they do. So I mean,

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like I just I explain to people, this is what

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I like to say, is is I literally it is

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like just think of that and on a just a

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different scale and and a scale that you can't see

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because we know that the electromagnetic scale exists, and everything

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in the world, in the universe exists on that right

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and all we can see is like it's it's infanitismal

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amount of that that we can see with our eyes

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and our senses, our ears, all of it. I mean,

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So that does soay, I send too some pretty cool

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stuff here, because you've interviewed Salvator Pice, I have right,

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and uh so for those that don't know Navy physicists

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whose patents described now see we were bringing up different

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forms of existence, but plasma is a whole another thing,

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guys in the.

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Full state of matter, So why shouldn't be made of it? Yeah?

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Right, So patents describe plasma compression, fusion, and what he

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calls the vacuum of space time. So how seriously should

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we take those patents? And do you believe they've already

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built what he's described.

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That I can't keep the cheesy grid off my face

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because I'm gonna I'm gonna start with a little tangent,

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but I promise it will pay off, do it. So

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I'm so frustrated with where we are right now in

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the UFO field as it were, that I feel I've

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focused my attention on the triangles at the moment. That

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seems to be this thing that keeps pulling me in

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because I'm really interested in prototype military stuff and it's

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it's unique. When you look at these things. They don't

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behave like a UFO. The UFO, the classic UFO experience

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is performative and interactive. It will dance and blow your mind,

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or it will land and blow your mind, and then

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it will scoot off and it will it will, and

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it will pick you up normally when you're not expecting it,

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or when you're somewhere quiet and basically where where nobody

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will believe you. You know, it's like the Bill Murray

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thing of when he goes and steals somebody's fries and

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he's like, I will ever believe you that That's what

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the UFO does. This phenomena is performatively nonchalant. So it

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will be at treetop invisible apart from some lights on

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each corner, and it will cruise over and let everybody

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see it. And then sometimes it's being chased by a

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helicopter or you'll see fighter jets going after it or

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something like that. Now here's where we get back to

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Salvatore pace. I believe that the triangle is something that

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we have built in a cargo cult if you like,

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to the UFO. But we have discovered an extraordinary technology

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or technologies, and we let people see it because they

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can't believe it and they think it's a UFO. So

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if you imagine if you're the US government blackbird doesn't

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work anymore because that used to just scream over the

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top of people and go, can't catch me, and then

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that's it. Goy Okay. Stealth doesn't work anymore because the

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first time anybody gets eyes on an F thirty five

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or a B two, they go, there's oh, we could

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only see a little bird on the radar, and they go, okay, cool, Well,

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let's look for little birds from now on. And that's

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your stealth gone. So how do you beat that. You

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beat that by getting people to believe it's not there,

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it's something else. So I think we have a craft

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or a technology, a technology chain, because this thing's first

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been seen in the fifties, really peaked in the mid

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nineties early two thousands in the UK where you guys

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had lots of bases, and it's still seen today in

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different variants. So I think that we have a technology

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which we parade over our public. They then fill the

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local newspapers with confusion and UFO. You know, we had

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one here called the Dudley Derito, you know, where where

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these things would fly like this over major population centers.

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Everybody's on the local news going I saw an alien

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and blah blah blah. So anybody that's spying on your

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country thinks, wow, UK's got something really weird going on. Now,

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oh we've seen one too, and it and it and

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it isn't what's the UK doing unless one crashes? You know,

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it's it's got in cultural immunity from from suspicion. And

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then when you speak to Salvatore Pie, who I was

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was extremely lucky to do. The dude's got the receipts.

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You know.

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He worked for North Rock grum and advanced concepts and

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then he went to Navy, so he was kind of

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scooped up from the Navy contracted in Now he works

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for Space Force. I don't know if that's quite public information.

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But.

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He's done bits and bobs for Space Force and he

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is he's there showing the science. I'm not smart enough

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to check his homework, but I know when somebody's lying,

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and he's not lying, you know, and he's shown us

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the patterns to look for the secret. It's not anti gravity.

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What it is is a reduction in gravity. It's mass reduction.

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So you know, if you take a block of concrete

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and you can make it weight less, you're not making

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it float, but I could blow under it and the

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thing will go up in the air. So that's it.

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It's not kind of like a jets and it's not

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a new thing. It's just a way of making gravity

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affect it less and less.

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Yeah, Like, what's that one like they talk about like

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they've shown I watched the video the other day where they.

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Brown by show round effect.

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Yeah, in the vacuum. Yeah, is that what you're talking about?

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Yes, yeh, his lifter. So I'm lucky. I'm such a

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nerd because I wasn't prepared for this, but there was

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if you look at Thomastown's and Brown. He published a

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letter to naval intelligence in I think it was nineteen

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fifty four called Operation Whitehaven, where he literally says in

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this letter, which is out there on the internet in

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the wild, I've cracked it and this amount of money,

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this structure, and a paraphrased quote is that I can

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make a battle tank move with the palm of your hand.

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And this is in nineteen fifty four. I'm sat now

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with a desk toy which levitates and spins. So you

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tell me what's in skunk works, you know? Yeah, because

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they wouldn't just go, oh, that's an interesting idea. Nah,

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you know, and yeah, it checks out. The science makes sense,

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and I've spoken to other extraordinarily more intelligent people than me.

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Because plasma itself, people always describe these craft having plasma

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on and like they have, you know, like a roiling

460
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lava lamp effect over it. So what does plasma do.

461
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:39.640
Plasma can affect photons, It can absorb photons. So when

462
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:42.440
people see these craft and they say, I couldn't see it,

463
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:44.640
but I couldn't see the stars through it. It was

464
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:49.359
a black triangle moving over blotting out the stars. That's

465
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:51.920
what plasma does. And if you flip the switch the

466
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:55.640
other way so that you make those photons less dense,

467
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:58.240
you can make something the size of an F eighteen

468
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:01.559
the size of a football field. Because where do we

469
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:04.480
keep these things? How do you build these things? You know,

470
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:10.199
it's impossible without the paper trail and a huge construction yard.

471
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:12.119
And we can see every inch of the planet in

472
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.119
high resolution. You can't even if you build it underground. Cool,

473
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:18.320
how are you going to get it out? So it's

474
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:22.400
it's a chameleon in essence. We know that the B

475
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:29.199
two can project ghost radar images of itself, so that

476
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:31.159
even if you can see it and shoot at it,

477
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:36.280
one of those twenty five radar signatures is the real thing.

478
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:39.400
So what better way to do that and make your

479
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:41.760
craft look less and less believable. If you can make

480
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:44.400
it look like it's the size of three football fields,

481
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.599
you go on report that you've seen that, and people go, yeah,

482
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:50.440
nice one, buddy, Maybe give up smoking. You know. So,

483
00:34:51.519 --> 00:35:00.000
I believe that we have a stigmatized true ufology because

484
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:07.159
ours it threatens our view of supremacy over the planet

485
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:14.199
and our institutional kind of religion and and capitalism and

486
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:17.480
all of that sort of thing. But then we've kind

487
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:19.480
of got in the bow wave of that with our

488
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.800
own toys and god, yeah, these are these are those

489
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.559
things too that we can't explain. Don't worry about it.

490
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:27.719
It's just a great cover story.

491
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:30.639
Yeah, it's the perfect cover story. First, you make people

492
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:34.079
not believe in something that they're seeing all around the world,

493
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:38.440
regardless of culture, belief, and background, and then you'd make

494
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:41.440
something that pretends to be that thing. It's it's it's

495
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:42.199
so neat.

496
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:46.360
What's the old it's the old adage of the devil himself.

497
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:51.280
It's the best trick he ever pulled out so convinced

498
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:54.880
people that he doesn't exist. Right, So, but it's like

499
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:57.559
kind of micro you know, and they do it with

500
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:02.320
so many things like so, so, like the UAP disclosure

501
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:06.360
hearings happened, and you and I talked a lot around

502
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:16.360
at that point, and whistleblowers testified under oath and nothing changed. Why, like, what,

503
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:21.239
what's the mechanism that keeps this buried even when credible people,

504
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:25.400
I mean very credible people go on the record.

505
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:28.920
So I'm going to admit a kind of weakness here.

506
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.920
But I threw a huge tantrum a couple of days

507
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:37.480
ago because not you. You imagine the toddler on the

508
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:43.719
floor in the supermarket. That was me. Because if you

509
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:49.159
go on Reddit, god forbid, you will see people saying

510
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.840
things like, never mind your security clearances. You've got a

511
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.840
loyalty to the truth. You should just tell us everything

512
00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:58.639
that you know. You know, get this thing out of

513
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:01.639
the opening. Yes you'll go. So you might get charged

514
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:04.920
with the espionage, but it's humanity's worth it.

515
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:09.119
Right, you should be in jail. Go ahead. Yeah, I agree,

516
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:11.320
it disappeared in some form affair.

517
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:15.079
We get these trumps released in the files what's in

518
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:18.559
the files. All of it's already in the public sphere,

519
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:21.880
and in fact, the stuff that's been released has been

520
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:25.840
muddied up. There is a photograph taken from Apollo seventeen

521
00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:28.760
of three lights in a triangular formation over the Moon.

522
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:33.599
In the one that was released in this drop, it's

523
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:36.079
grayed out and it looks like a polaroid that's been

524
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:38.239
left on a windowsill for thirty years.

525
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:39.119
Yes.

526
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:43.079
That same photo, however, is in the Smithsonian archive and

527
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:46.719
it's crisp as if it was just taken.

528
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:47.679
Yeah, like four K.

529
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:53.519
Yeah. Same with the arrow hearings. The dudes couldn't even

530
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:56.519
work b LC player, but that's another story. The footage

531
00:37:56.599 --> 00:38:02.239
and photographs that they showed were all conventional things. I'm

532
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:08.679
positive that the one that buzzed the passenger craft was

533
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:14.440
a Boeing unmanned aircraft. There's examples of it. I forget

534
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:16.639
quite the model number, but I'll send it to you

535
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:20.320
later if that's of any interest. Because they don't want

536
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:23.599
people solving the mystery and no one. They don't think

537
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:26.039
that people have the attention span to do it. So

538
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:32.079
I thought, right, well, it's time I'm gonna do. We'll

539
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:36.280
have an I am Spartacus moment because people are seeing

540
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:39.119
this all around the world. And I know because of

541
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:44.760
my interest in the triangles from lately that every time

542
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:50.239
I or UAP files or anybody else puts out a documentary,

543
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:55.760
there is like a confessional testimony in all the comments section.

544
00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:58.719
It's like I was here in nineteen eighty six and

545
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:01.480
this flew over me and my I was fishing in

546
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:04.480
a creek and this thing flew over me, and everybody

547
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:06.639
wants to get this off their chest. So I thought, right,

548
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.719
this is the crack in the dam. We'll stop being

549
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:14.079
gas lit by the government. You know. It's like asking

550
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:16.639
a serial killer like you have you killed anybody and

551
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:21.079
they're like, no, okay, then thanks, you know, quite literally

552
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.199
in this case. So I thought, well, if I can

553
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:29.400
just get people to tell the truth, that's going to

554
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:32.639
lead to so much data. So I share a story

555
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:34.760
and Jimmy shares it for me on you AP files.

556
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.159
I shared it on my social media stuff, just saying

557
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:43.199
I'm going to put together a short compilation of your stories,

558
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:47.719
you know, and if you want to be be stood up,

559
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:50.800
stand up and be counted and make a difference, just

560
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:54.760
let me know. So it's been about forty eight hours

561
00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:58.519
since I did that. In the first eight hours, I

562
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:01.519
had eight people get back to me me. None of

563
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:03.960
them wanted to go on the record. They're like, I

564
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.880
want to tell you about my story, but no, no, no,

565
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:09.199
I can't possibly do this. And it's like, well, how

566
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:19.079
dare you expect these pilots, doctors, scientists, physicists, whatever to

567
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:23.119
admit to things that they know or secrets that they've

568
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:26.280
sworn to protect when you won't just tell the truth

569
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:30.440
about what you've seen. Now, I will say, since then,

570
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:33.320
I've been contacted by some people that are brave and

571
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:35.840
bold enough to go on the record, so you know,

572
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.440
we are going to go ahead with it. But at

573
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:41.119
the time, I was just like, why are you crying

574
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:45.440
for something that you won't make yourself? You know, because

575
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:49.559
real disclosure is when it's culturally acceptable. It's as simple

576
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:49.880
as that.

577
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:54.239
Yeah, And I mean we're at a point where need

578
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:57.800
I mean, I feel like, as crazy as it sounds,

579
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:01.079
people are more willing to say, oh, yeah, I saw

580
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:04.039
a bigfoot then they are to be like, oh, no,

581
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:08.519
I saw a UFO or whatever. Here's the experience.

582
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:11.840
Yeah, you know, but it's honestly, I mean Bigfoot's been

583
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:18.440
handled more as a science than this UAP field right

584
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:23.599
right now, It's treated as entertainment, and it's like we

585
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:26.199
have heroes, we have villains, we have people that are

586
00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:30.320
never right, people that are never wrong. Everyone's so polarized

587
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:33.039
and everyone's got to have their moment in the spotlight,

588
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:36.480
and it's like a soap opera, you know, you you

589
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:38.719
you get the sugar rush of like, oh, he's been

590
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:41.280
proved wrong, brilliant. I can't wait to see what this

591
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:46.400
talking head says against them next eating popcorn. You're literally

592
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.480
absolutely and of course I'm just as guilty of that

593
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:54.320
as anybody else. But when you see that the way

594
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:58.039
bigfoot stuff's handled, it's usually people that work out doors

595
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:03.599
that are just faced camera, humbly telling you their experiences,

596
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:08.519
and it's treated the same way that they would say

597
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:11.920
I saw a thyla scene, you know, or something like that,

598
00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:16.639
like I saw something extraordinary, an extraordinary part of our world,

599
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:22.559
whereas we treat it like some sort of marvel sci fi,

600
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:27.599
like serious, what's going on? So yeah, it's a victim

601
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.360
of its own sensationalism. Your you're apology. I know it

602
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:34.639
sounds kind of bitter, but you know, there's people trying

603
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:36.480
to try to make a difference out there. I just

604
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.079
disrustated to everybody else. I understand what I saw, you know.

605
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:43.559
Yeah, So I mean, so, who do you think, who

606
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:48.480
do you think is actually running UAP programs? Because it

607
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:54.159
feels like every time disclosure gets close, right, it stalls.

608
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:58.280
And I mean, is it is it the Pentagon level

609
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:02.079
or is it the intelligence community level? Or is it, frankly,

610
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:06.480
something that sits above elected government entirely.

611
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:10.280
That's an extraordinary question and one that I can't answer.

612
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:14.519
I can only speculate at So I like to deal

613
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:18.159
in evidence, as you know. Of course, where we've got

614
00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:24.199
evidence of this is the so called UAP Caucus tried

615
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:30.480
to push through whistleblower legislation a few years ago. That's

616
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:34.800
like some damning yes, yeah, but they wanted to just

617
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:39.000
protect people like the Dylan Borlands of the world or

618
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:43.280
the Jeff newsatellites, people that have been in service seen

619
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:46.559
something extraordinary and then been persecuted for it. So they

620
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:50.159
wanted to give people a safe space to tell the truth.

621
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:53.440
It's as simple as that. And it got shot down.

622
00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:55.599
And where did it get shot down by? Well, the

623
00:43:55.679 --> 00:44:00.639
speaker of the House and the Congress the report presentatives.

624
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:03.559
I'm not from America, so I might get the words wrong.

625
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:06.519
But the Congress people that shot it down are the

626
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:12.719
ones from that have got Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grummer in

627
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:17.840
their constituencies who pay them. So it's like, well, is

628
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:19.880
the tail wagging the dog here or what?

629
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:20.440
You know?

630
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:24.599
Again, It's like, yes, your honor, I've investigated myself and

631
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:28.760
there's absolutely nothing I've ever done wrong. Okay, brilliant case closed.

632
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:36.599
So I believe if another case with evidence rather than

633
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:41.079
speculation was the New Jersey drones okay, that made it

634
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:46.199
to a hearing and who was there? It was the FBI?

635
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:50.760
Was there Federal View of Investigation for inside the United States,

636
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:54.039
not outside, and they basically went, I don't know. You'd

637
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:58.239
got local lawmakers who were getting the call that there's

638
00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:00.719
things flying over them and it's like I borrowed my

639
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:03.079
brother Randy's drone and we couldn't catch it, you know,

640
00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:10.639
fundamentally under equipped and under prepared people. Yeah, where was

641
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:15.039
the Air Force? Where was where was the intelligence agencies?

642
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:19.800
Where was the CIA? Where was National Geospatial who had

643
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:23.800
a flying saucer on their badge For a while you know,

644
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:31.679
where are the people with the oversight. That's the trick.

645
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:34.719
They're never in the courtroom. It's not a case of

646
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:39.280
lying if you're never even in the building. So I

647
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:43.159
don't think we've never heard from the Air Force. You

648
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:45.360
know that the Air Force is storgan is like the

649
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:51.239
planet's seventy percent water and we control everything above it.

650
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:54.599
It's like, okay, cool, fancy a seat at the table,

651
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:59.039
you know, No, okay, cool. We've heard a little bit

652
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:02.199
from the Navy. But that's a former Tomcat pilot. Those

653
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:07.079
guys don't mince the words, you know, David Fravor. Yeah,

654
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:16.320
so you would expect. We know that the CIA has

655
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:21.039
the ability to read a license plate anywhere in the

656
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:27.599
world in real time. So you're telling me that we

657
00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:30.000
have a phenomena which pops up all over the world

658
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:35.199
and we have no data. NASA looks at everything above

659
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:40.679
the Air Force, and Mike gold I won't cast any

660
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:44.599
personal criticism, although it's burning the back of my throat.

661
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:48.960
During his congressional hearing, he said, maybe if he give

662
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:51.599
us a load of money, we could start looking. You know,

663
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:54.840
if I worked at NASA every lunch hour, I would

664
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:57.920
be looking for this stuff. I'd be like, can I

665
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.719
stay after work for an hour, boss and just scan

666
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:05.119
the cosmos? Look at what we're recording twenty four seven, right,

667
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:07.719
And yet they play possible and go like, oh, that's

668
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:11.039
a good idea. Yeah, maybe we could do that if

669
00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:14.519
you give us a load of money. And I think

670
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:19.440
that Unfortunately, we don't push back on those people. You

671
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:22.880
have a duty of care to protect, you know, so

672
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:27.880
that apparently like the Air Force. You know, let's take

673
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:33.159
Vandenburg for example, you have an incursion over a nuclear

674
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:37.400
storage area and somewhere that we launch our rockets, and

675
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:42.880
then they just go, oh, well, you know, there's basis

676
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:49.000
of these triangles hovering over bases everywhere from Florida to Edwards.

677
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.360
And it's like, well, if we're not pointing a search

678
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:56.199
light at this thing and firing everything from pistols to

679
00:47:56.280 --> 00:48:00.880
Godzilla at it, we probably know what it is. Why

680
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.280
is nobody asking the questions why isn't why isn't the

681
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:07.440
next congressional hearing the head of skunk Works, the head

682
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:11.159
of Northrop Grumman, the head of the Air Force, with

683
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:13.679
a lie detector on one hand and a Bible under

684
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:16.800
the other. You know, we don't get that we get

685
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:20.400
the raw witnesses with a very emotional event that they

686
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:27.559
can't understand and no oversight knowledge of their experience. So

687
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:30.280
I get that that's a bit of a rant, but

688
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.880
that's the problem that we're in. We're not asking the

689
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:33.719
right people.

690
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:40.159
I mean, even like the Pentagon's own language shifted from

691
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:45.519
like UFOs to non human intelligences, Yes, right, I mean

692
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:49.079
that's a theological as far as I see it, that's

693
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.360
a theological term dressed up in bureaucratical language.

694
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:59.519
Absolutely, within two years they went from UAP unknown aerial

695
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:04.599
phano to unknown anomalist phenomena, just so that you can

696
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:10.320
throw Orb's ghost spirit religiously, you know, the bogeyman, the

697
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:14.280
lot Ness monster, all of that in that and drain

698
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:16.480
the credibility out of the bottom like you changed in

699
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:17.199
their and.

700
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:21.559
Even even the vice presidents calling saying aliens are demons,

701
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:22.199
yeah you.

702
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:25.480
Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well do you know enough about

703
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:28.079
demons then, because there's a conversation we'd like.

704
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:32.679
To exactly, you know, exactly. So guys like Jack fil

705
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:38.719
A uh spent his entire career arguing UAPs aren't physical

706
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:43.239
craft from other planets right there, that they're inter dimensional

707
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:48.639
and Chuck Messler, who do you know? Chuck Messler is no,

708
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:52.599
but he said the same thing. He's a biblical he's

709
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:56.559
a biblical scholar, and from a biblical standpoint, have you

710
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:01.360
landed anywhere on that question? From your.

711
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:07.320
So the biggest mistake that people make is we are

712
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:13.000
you see like doctor Strange, and the dude will draw

713
00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:15.559
a little circle and through it you might see the

714
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:19.320
Amazon rainforest and that's some other dimension. Okay, that's not

715
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:24.039
how it works. So, like the best way to describe

716
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:28.199
dimensions really is just in complexity. So if you draw

717
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:33.119
a single black line that is a one dimensional a

718
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:37.719
single dimensional plane, If that line is on a piece

719
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:41.880
of paper that you can bend the paper, that line

720
00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:47.079
doesn't notice. In that one dimensional everything's normal. In the

721
00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:50.480
two dimensional world, everything can be moving and it doesn't

722
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:54.559
affect that. If that two dimensional piece of paper is

723
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:57.840
in this bedroom in my hands right now, it can't

724
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:00.360
hear the words I'm saying. It can't hear all all

725
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:03.960
of this level of complexity that happens in three dimensions

726
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:07.760
with depth perception no more than me on your television.

727
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:12.519
That's a two dimensional representation of this smelly, noisy you know,

728
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:16.719
thing with so much more complexity than can be understood

729
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:22.199
in two dimensions, and there's one above us, and we

730
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:25.119
can't understand what it is any more than that single

731
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:28.039
black line can understand what a piece of paper looks like.

732
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:32.639
And just as I can rip that piece of paper

733
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:38.079
from my third dimension, something up there can mess with ours.

734
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:41.880
So yes, I don't believe that it's Marvin the Martian

735
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:44.159
and a sports car come in here all the way

736
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:47.880
from Mars, you know. I believe that it's something of

737
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:52.679
a higher complexity choosing to interact with our three dimensional

738
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:57.239
thing but totally break the rules of it for a

739
00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:00.760
little while. So when we talk about interdimension I think

740
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:05.519
that's a much better it's something much more complicated temporarily

741
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:06.880
simplifying itself.

742
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:16.039
Yeah, which is a great point. I mean, if everything

743
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:21.480
you've found is accurate, right, what happens next? Like everybody

744
00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:24.880
that you've talked to, everyone that you've interviewed, Like, what

745
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:29.440
does disclosure actually look like? And do you think we're close?

746
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:36.320
Right? I could talk about this for a very long time,

747
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:38.719
and I don't want to bore people to death. But

748
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:46.880
there's a three step system which loosely encompasses everybody's different

749
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:52.480
experience with this stuff. When you're born, you inherit your

750
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:55.440
worldview from your parents and your environment. You're you know,

751
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:58.239
you're taught how the world works, and that might be

752
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:01.199
that the sun is one and the moon is another,

753
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:03.239
and they chase each other around the earth every day,

754
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:06.639
but it's measurable and every morning that thing will come

755
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:08.920
up in the air. So you believe that that's your reality.

756
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:15.800
Then you have your experience, and that worldview dies because

757
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:20.239
something happens that that doesn't it can't work with your

758
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:24.719
old worldview. So then you go through a period of

759
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:28.719
like raw vulnerability, where you realize everything, you don't understand anything.

760
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:32.760
And then those people are usually drawn together both by

761
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:39.519
pushback from the outside world and the shared indescribable quality

762
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:45.400
of just how extraordinary these experiences are. But then people

763
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:48.440
from all these different backgrounds talk to each other and

764
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:50.800
they share their experiences. Now that makes sense. I hadn't

765
00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:54.320
thought of that, and get you get something which is

766
00:53:54.440 --> 00:53:57.239
greater than the sum of its parts. You come to

767
00:53:57.280 --> 00:54:03.840
an understanding which is irrelevant of culture and education and ontologies,

768
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:10.519
that's based on experience and interaction, and that's what's happening

769
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:17.800
that's what's happening right now. And just as I had

770
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:22.679
my toddler's tantrum about disclosure, it needs to come from

771
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:27.000
people just telling the truth without fear of looking weird.

772
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:32.480
Because we've been running the world by our own rules

773
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:34.880
for a long time now and it's not going so

774
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:39.639
well right now. So we need to be honest about

775
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:44.039
what's happening out there, because every five hundred years we

776
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:47.559
look back and go, those guys were idiots. This is

777
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:50.719
how reality works. And I just think we're at that

778
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:54.239
stage now. And every time we put more faith in

779
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:58.199
trusting everything that our technology tells us, whether that's through

780
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:03.360
AI or sensors and cameras and radars, we make them

781
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:07.599
more and more complicated every day and we understand less

782
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:10.360
and less about how this thing works. So we need

783
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:13.760
to go a little more on faith. You know, something

784
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:16.760
that we can't prove that we all agree on is

785
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:21.440
probably a new reality, and that comes with humility. So

786
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:24.119
it's none of the things that are taught that are

787
00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:28.119
going to help us move to a better understanding of

788
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:32.159
this thing. And that's what I mean by disclosure. Disclosure

789
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:36.920
just means we're stood there with the blackboard, rubber in

790
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:39.639
our hand, and it's time to just go, Okay, let's

791
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:43.880
start again. So that's where we're at. How quick we're

792
00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:46.559
going to get there, I think it's inevitable. But then

793
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:50.480
for every every year in the last ninety years since

794
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:53.480
people have cared about your athology, they've said, disclosures coming.

795
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:55.320
I couldn't tell you what it's going to look like,

796
00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:56.920
or who's going to do it, or what will be

797
00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:59.039
the finish line for me, But I'm telling you it's coming,

798
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:04.679
you know, Yeah, I promise, I swear, yeah, yeah, yeah.

799
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:07.760
Someone told me that that. You know that this person said,

800
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:11.599
And it's like, we've already had You've already had David Grush,

801
00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:17.760
who handled the president's briefing, You've already had doctor's physicists, like,

802
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:21.280
just just tell me who it needs to be because

803
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:24.719
they've probably had an experience like this. But we we

804
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:27.760
need to we need to set we need to set

805
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:30.400
our own rules of the game of what it's going

806
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:33.760
to take to be convinced because that date is probably

807
00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:34.679
out there already.

808
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:40.519
Yeah for sure. I mean, what's what's one thing you

809
00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:45.519
wish more people in the space understood about the UAP

810
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:50.039
phenomenon that most that most of them are getting wrong.

811
00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:55.760
Well, that's such a dangerous trapdoor of a question because

812
00:56:55.800 --> 00:57:00.719
everybody thinks they're right in this bloody field, right. I

813
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:06.159
think the biggest, the most important lesson that it teaches us,

814
00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:10.000
regardless of whether you're a top gun pilot or you know,

815
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:16.199
you're driving your pickup home from from whatever, as that

816
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:20.320
it doesn't follow the rules. We can't understand it. We're

817
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:24.159
not supposed to understand it, but we're supposed to keep trying.

818
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:29.119
And I think that the biggest lesson is to stop

819
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:34.000
trying to solve it and just talk about it, share it,

820
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:40.039
because it's never going to come from our institutions of government.

821
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:43.360
You know, we've said this before in previous conversations, but

822
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:48.599
government's job is to maintain stability. It's not to undermine

823
00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:52.840
itself or to educate you that reality isn't what they've

824
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:58.960
been telling you. And this thing is just like Jack

825
00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:02.519
Valet himself described kabuki theater or Plato's cave. Is kind

826
00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:04.639
of a very tired way to describe it. But we're

827
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:07.639
seeing shadows on a wall and we won't look behind

828
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:10.920
us to see where it's coming from. Yeah, So I

829
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:13.679
think that's it like the bit that people don't get

830
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:15.960
is that it doesn't play by our rules, so you

831
00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:20.400
can't measure it with our tools. You need to just

832
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:25.119
be honest about what you're seeing and describe it in

833
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:26.679
any way that you can, you know.

834
00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:31.519
Yeah, and be open about it, because I think that

835
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:35.440
we're at the end of the day, it's the fact

836
00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:40.519
that we if somebody's telling you that they have it

837
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:45.039
all figured out, they're selling something, yeah, and so.

838
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:47.719
You've kind of just cleared their mind, you know.

839
00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:51.800
It's it's you bring up humility a lot and this

840
00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:55.840
is a very humbling phenomenon that and you need to

841
00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:58.239
but you also need to be open.

842
00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:04.400
So yet it it's as simple as that. But that's

843
00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:07.559
the that's the bitter pill I think is you know,

844
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:10.679
you can't look at the guys that went to skin

845
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:14.400
walk around with like assault weapons and Oakley's and tactical gear.

846
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:17.000
It's like no, no, no, no, no. It doesn't want

847
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:18.920
to play with you. It wants to play with the

848
00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:23.159
kid in the woods. That's like playing or you know, yeah, it's.

849
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:27.960
I've said this for for years. It's it's trickster mentality.

850
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:33.599
Absolutely yeah, And that kind of points to something else.

851
00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:37.000
I'm just saying, yeah, yeah, but then also you've got

852
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:40.159
the weirdness of like AI describes itself as.

853
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:44.400
A mirror with depth. Yeah, that summarizes to me the

854
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:50.360
UAP experience perfectly. You know, if you're a nice person

855
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:54.599
in a nice mood, you don't hear about horrible events happening.

856
00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:56.599
If you're a bit weird, something a bit weird is

857
00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:59.280
going to happen. If you're a nasty person, you're in

858
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:00.280
for a rough time.

859
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:06.840
It definitely morphs itself to what you're putting off.

860
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:14.360
But I think that what people don't fully appreciate is

861
01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:19.920
that it tailors the experience to you. Yeah, it's not

862
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:23.440
something where even if six people see the same UFO,

863
01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:28.159
they'll describe it differently, whether that's the sound, shape, size.

864
01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:35.320
So it's something interacting with me on you and whoever

865
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:38.280
sees it. But you know, some of us are color

866
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:40.679
blind and some of us I need you know, some

867
01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:44.400
need glasses and whatnot, And it's not the same thing.

868
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:46.199
For everybody, very personal way.

869
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:50.199
There is no such thing as consensus reality with this thing,

870
01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:53.920
and I think that that's what people it's so easy

871
01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:57.000
to not realize that and just think that there's only

872
01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:59.880
different classes and sizes and shapes and stuff.

873
01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:03.920
Yeah, and that's across This is the other thing that

874
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:07.280
I want to say before we close. It's it that is,

875
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:14.920
but that's across time and space. That it changes with cultures,

876
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:21.199
it changes with time periods. Like if you look back

877
01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:27.239
at reports back in the Middle Ages, they fit the

878
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:35.360
time compared to what we hear now. Right, So these

879
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:38.559
wheels of fire in the sky that came down, you know,

880
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:41.159
and then like left and came back in greater numbers,

881
01:01:41.159 --> 01:01:48.320
It's like, okay, cool, what was that then? Yes? No, no,

882
01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:54.079
So all right, Tom, Well, where where can people follow

883
01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:59.000
your work? Find the UAP fouls content and like see.

884
01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:01.079
So I do contribute to you AP files and it's

885
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:05.639
a wonderful both inspiration and opportunity, but mainly on my

886
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:09.039
own channel, which is Tom vernon u AP. There's a

887
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:11.920
mixture of all the things that I love, which is

888
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:17.000
usually like other things that people don't believe in, everything

889
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:20.880
from aviation to consciousness to UAP and siah abilities and

890
01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:23.400
all that sort of stuff, all that cool stuff. It's

891
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:27.920
just a safe place to be weird and and other

892
01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:30.719
than that, yeah, just you know, social media and whatnot.

893
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:32.159
I'm pretty easy to find.

894
01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:37.360
Yeah, I think that's a good slogan. Tom Vernon a

895
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:44.000
safe place to be weird, no comment sounds like a

896
01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:49.679
new podcast. All right, man, it's always a pleasure.

897
01:02:50.119 --> 01:02:53.000
And you mate, you're a student against my favorite place

898
01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:54.280
to be on the internet.

899
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:55.480
That is appreciate it.

900
01:02:56.280 --> 01:03:10.880
We'll talk against it.

901
01:03:11.079 --> 01:03:14.920
Our beyond the city lights, where the fields.

902
01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:19.119
Go dark and still there's a silence on the heavens.

903
01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:21.519
There's a fire behind a hill.

904
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:27.039
Rd Our fades and re appears like a heartbeat in

905
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:31.840
the sky, and the combus starts to tremble like it

906
01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:33.679
knows the reason why.

907
01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:36.920
You can call it's just a shadow.

908
01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:39.719
You can call it smoke and pray.

909
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:44.880
But I swear I felt the wheel change when I saw.

910
01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:49.719
It hanging there, and all that the lances for all

911
01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:51.599
lack paper and the rain.

912
01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:56.800
When the sky the combs a mirror and it whispers

913
01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:58.199
action Lane.

914
01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:07.360
Something something we will never lets high a lot about

915
01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:12.519
the blackness scene such face Harass, the scene when we

916
01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:18.039
small but we are awaye on the Star's bending bride.

917
01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:23.599
Something in the night and he's calling us back to life.

918
01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:32.079
They are soldiers with their stories, their witnesses, afraid there

919
01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:37.400
are secrets in the silence. There are fast and never say,

920
01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:43.880
like triangles, drift aboves, like a question without sound, and

921
01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:49.199
the proud mans their language. When the kingdoms touched the ground,

922
01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:56.159
maybe it made speaking. Maybe angels in the storm, maybe

923
01:04:56.320 --> 01:04:57.880
something old.

924
01:04:57.639 --> 01:04:59.639
And hitter taking.

925
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:05.280
On it different fall, and every lots of person, every

926
01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:10.280
lie beneath the stairs turns to dust beneath the thunder.

927
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:12.760
When the truth comes through.

928
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:22.639
Something something we will never let hide a light above

929
01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:27.719
the black and scene, shoot the street from last. When

930
01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:31.960
we swallow, we are wage under starts.

931
01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:37.719
Bending bridge, something in the line, and it's calling us

932
01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:56.239
back to life, a static saying, let the broken heaven

933
01:05:56.440 --> 01:05:58.400
through the doors.

934
01:05:58.480 --> 01:05:59.760
Who saw the lie?

935
01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:07.000
Finally speaks Tony or in the silence falls on the

936
01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:15.920
towers and the walls. If the truth is in this sky, though,

937
01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:17.440
we don't have to run this.

938
01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:25.679
Something in.

939
01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:29.199
Something we will never lend.

940
01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:35.639
A high, a lot of weather, plagancy, truth, the stretch elassacy,

941
01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:36.920
and we.

942
01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:42.079
Are small, but we ouish under stars of random bridge.

943
01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:46.800
Something in the edge to night, and it's trolling us

944
01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:48.239
back to life.

945
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:04.079
Beyond the city lights where the fields go dark, and

946
01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:08.039
still there's a silence in the heavens

947
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:14.280
And the fire behind heaven.