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I won't take credit. A much more intelligent man than
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me said, he feels like this is the point where
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we discovered the microscope and we found that there was
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this entirely new biosphere all around us, all over us,
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inside us, that we had no idea existed. And we're
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at that point of rediscovery. I mean that, you know,
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that's the one thing that science does have in common,
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is everything just keeps getting bigger, you know, whether it's
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Galileo or any of these people through history. And I
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think we're at another point where we need to be
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humble enough to say, you know, there's tons of stuff
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underneath us, maybe there's something above us.
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The broadcast.
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Why Santa's a sayap anyway, Hey folks, welcome to another
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episode of Broadcasting Seeds. My friend Tom Vernon here from
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the Jerry Charlie Old England with Us Today and Tom
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is a co host? Is that what you would say
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on up?
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Or?
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Are you like a host one of the hosts?
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Well, I'm a co host. I'm the co host on
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u AP Files and then so on there. I'm lucky
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enough to get to interview some amazing people way above
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my station, and then I've got my own channel definitely
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certainly above my IQ and then on my channel tomb
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and u AP, I go into this sort of the
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deep dive stuff, just like we were talking meant talking
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about a second ago with Santa Claus. You know, I
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like to get get in there and and look at
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the weird world that that people think doesn't exist.
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So yeah, but so people, so people that don't know you,
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which I think this is the third time you've been
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on the show, Yeah, second or third? I think it's second.
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Well you were on mine, Yeah, maybe I don't know.
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I get confused, man. Yeah, but either way, I love
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having me on.
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It's fun of you too, man.
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So tell us just give the folks that might not
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know who you are a little, just a little, you know,
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some shameless product placement and Tom Vernon.
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Yeah okay, so where who are you.
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And where can we find you?
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Okay?
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So I am effectively nobody. I had a perfectly normal
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life until about well, I say perfectly normal. My mom
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was a psychic medium and a healer, and that we've
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got like a history of of that on one side.
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But I tried my best to have a perfectly no
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life until I think it was twenty twenty when I
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had a yeah, yeah, exactly, when I had a UAP
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sighting or a UFO sighting as we should call it.
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And then about three weeks later, when I just about
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convinced myself that it was all in my head, I
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had another one. And then if you're a skeptic, you
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would say, the most ridiculous sequence of synchronicities and coincidences happened,
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and I quit my normal job because I just couldn't.
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I had this like forcing function that people talk about,
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where as soon as you see behind the curtain, you
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there's why would you wear a suit and go back
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to normal jobs and.
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All of that.
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And now I'm a full time weirdo talking to amazing
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people from all around the world and.
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Making videos about it.
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Yeah exactly, And I'm basically spending all my time talking
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about stuff that most people think doesn't exist.
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So it's always a good profession to hang your head on, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
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It doesn't do me too well on the dating apps
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and stuff like that, when they say, oh, so what
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do you do, and I'm like, oh, I make videos
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about flying sources, and like, well, thanks by click.
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They love it, but you know, yeah, it's.
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The best place for people to find you.
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The best place is my place, which is Tom Vin
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and UAP. But I since we last spoke, I've made
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a channel with one of my very good friends, Jeff Nelli,
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who was one of the whistleblowers at the last congressional
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hearing on UAP. So I'm co host on his channel too,
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And if you aren't sick of me by then, then
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I'm also co host on the UAP Files, where we
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interview some amazing people.
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So yeah, I'm all over to the new channel.
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Is what is that called? Are you up and running yet?
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We are?
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It's the Jeff Nutell Podcast and what would So I
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became really good friends with Jeff again through ridiculous synchronicities,
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where I interviewed him about the van. He was the
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eyewitness for the Vandenberg Red Square UFO where this thing
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the size of a football stadium turned up of the
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VanderBurg Air Force BACE.
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Yeah. See I've heard about this because I remember I
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was at VanderBurg for about a month at one point.
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Really yeah, not not for any of that, but no.
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What what what?
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What?
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Roughly what time period would that?
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So this was nineteen ninety would have been ninety three
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ninety four.
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Right, Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, so they I mean, you're
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as good a person to ask as any of them,
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because mean, it's a space space.
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It is a space space. It is space. They do
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a lot of missile they don't just from so.
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Yeah, yeah, it's now a space Force base. It was
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Air Force. And so through Jeff who was one of
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the security chiefs, I've come to know a lot of
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the men and women that worked with him and the
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eyewitnesses to these accounts, and then when you start speaking
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to them that they're like, yeah, this place is like
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the Adams family mansion, and there was there was weird
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stuff going on all the time. And then one guy
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that was in fishing game was out on his horse
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and this red square or something very similarly strange came
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in and landed on the flight line, and he's like,
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if you can imagine a football stadium flying in and
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landing in front of you whilst you're on top of
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a horse that's freaking out, then you got some idea
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of what it's like.
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So it just seems like such a wild place. I
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feel like I need to talk to Jeff. I can
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arrange that, of course.
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Way, so this sounds fascinating. Yeah, but you're but you're
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main wheelhouse and your main genre that you Yeah, I
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mean you do crossover for sure, but it's mainly UFOs
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and so so why don't you talk about that a
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little some of the stuff that's gone on since so
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a lot of disclosure and a lot of crazy stuff's
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happened since we talked lass.
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There is and.
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I think the most worstwhile thing to talk about that
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I can maybe add a little value to for people
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is that I think there's some serious subterfuge going on in.
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That field right now.
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I think, well, oh yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, I
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was born yesterday, I left my propeller how outside, But yeah,
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I have come so basically long story shorts since Jeff
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did his congressional testimony and the whistleblower thing, and we
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all thought that that was going to blow the gates
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off because you've got Dylan Thomas there say, you know,
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he's working for British Aerospace and this black triangle comes
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out and zips off, and then he went through hell.
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After that, you've got Chief Wiggins, who was witnessed to
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an extraordinary event and he's active duty Navy, you know.
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And then you've got Jeff who was in a position
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of I think he had like five hundred people under him,
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all of whom went on to Special Forces. And these
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are people we trust with the most serious missions, and
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they're just saying, like, you know, we rang this in
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and nothing came back, so we couldn't update the protocol
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of what to do in a chaotic.
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Emergency like this.
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However, immediately after that testimony, when you would think that
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would have planted the seeds for all sorts of investigations,
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we were talking about three I at Last, which is
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really interesting, but it was like three hundred and sixty
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million miles away as opposed to California.
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We were talking about the booger sphere, which is maybe interesting,
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but I don't find I don't see any reason to
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believe it's any stranger than anything else. Yeah, and there
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was all these like it was like read it and
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the Internet was just bombarded with distraction, and it just
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seemed like sleight of hand. You know, we had the
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opportunity to get the crowbar in and get some political
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movement on this and legitimize it to the public because
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we'd got military people from any field you like, we've
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got Congress involved, and this is something a conversation you
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could finally have over the dinner table without being left
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out of the room. And yet the ship was steered
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back onto the rocks with this, you know, with with
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with things that were bizarre. So this isn't my revelation,
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but Jeff has Jeff has discovered that the FBI are
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behind a lot of it.
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I can't stand trouble stirring and stuff like that because
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it distracts us from the phenomena itself. But basically, in short,
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it's really frustrating when you've got such great evidence and
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witnesses and live witnesses you know there that you just
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need to get in touch with and speak to, and
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we're not doing that. We're talking about things which cannot
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be confirmed. I mean, I know I'm going off on
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a tangent, but the remote viewers at SRI would there
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was only a couple that would ever take on a
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target that they couldn't get feedback on because they're like, well,
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what's the point. I don't know if I'm wrong. You know,
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I could, I could tell you there's four thousand feet
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pyramids on Mars, but until we can go there and check.
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That's a waste of.
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Time whether or not it's true or yeah. And yet
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we are talking about three Eye Atlas as if we
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have the means to confirm all of this stuff, you know.
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So it's it kind of burns. It burns out if
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you like, and people get people get hammered with breaking
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news bombshell, this bombshell that you know, Loue Losando slips.
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Over or whatever, and just this and.
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It is, man, it really is. And that's it's kind
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of depressing because once you're once that one way door
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closes behind you and you see something like this, you
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kind of tapping on the glass, going look, look.
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I mean but they bring in people like Avy Lob
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and like like respected people, and I just it caught me.
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I mean it didn't, but it did to an extent,
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caught me off guard that he just kept with it,
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like like on every freaking podcast out there, like just
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kept the charade.
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Going to an extent.
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It's like, I mean, okay, so what is three I
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at Lists. Well, I mean, we know it's something that
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came into the but it's super interesting. The end of
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the day, it's a nothing burger because we can't really
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confirm nor deny anything, and they know it. Yeah, the
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people sear that it's this or it's that, but yet
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there's zero evidence. And then there's all the AI renderings
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of you know, well look at what the Chinese. No,
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they didn't, the Chinese never released any pictures or you know.
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The Chinese have no interest in in you in Florida
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knowing what's going.
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On out there or what episode. But yeah, it's.
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Real evidence here of other things going on. I mean,
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AKA the great deception. This is what I'll call it
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in my opinion that I think that's more like a
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lah La Marzuli. But at the end of the day,
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that's the stuff that's happening. It's the sleight of hand.
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And yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm annoying at this point.
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It fascinates me.
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Like you said about av Loob, and I'm not in
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any way criticizing the man. I interviewed him on the
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UAP files and he was extraordinarily intelligent obviously, you know.
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Of course.
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And yet what I am curious about is if you
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remember when the Ukrainian scientists were detecting UAP on identified
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aerial phenomena whipping over Ukraine and they published white papers
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and studies on that, and AVI Lower blew them away, saying, like,
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what's the point in studying something with so much noise
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or where we can't get the data, you can't back
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this up. This is fanciful. And then three years later
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he's saying things like three I atlets is changing direction,
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it's being followed by UAP, you know, and like maybe
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it's coming here. And it's like, dude, you know, have
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literally have a word with yourself, you know. So I'm puzzled.
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I'm not going to criticize the man, but I'm very
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puzzled how somebody so intelligent can be led by the
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nose away from real data where we've got a planet
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full of witnesses.
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You and I.
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You know, for example, one hundred percent of the people
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on this call right now have experienced something unexplainable. So
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we are sort of wilfully ignoring anything that might make
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us a little bit of progress in in in favor
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of throwing a ball out of sight and describing where
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it landed.
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Yeah, just like pure ty show GAMEE, pure tea out
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of just distraction. And I don't it's so weird, Like
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and I tried to like dig into I just kind
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of lost all just I lost all motivation. I did
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an episode on it, but after I really dug into it,
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I was like, this is nothing, like, there's nothing here.
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It's really interesting in the same way that I mean
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really interesting. You know, I love space, so it's it's
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interesting to me, but it's not what people want, as in,
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it's not full of grays or.
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Or Nordics or whoever it was. You know, come on,
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so you know we've got we've got that. But it's
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like as a cosmological event, it's you know that that
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has value. That's cool. You know, all these interstellar things
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coming into the Solar System and then whipping out are
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you know, they're they're all kind of cool, but totally yeah,
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I mean until you can actually show real, you know stuff,
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it's just kind of like I mean, because we're gonna
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have another one here before you know it absolutely with
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wormwood or whatever you want to call it. I can't
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remember the other name.
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Afo A yes, a purfos Yeah you well. I said
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that to av Load when we interviewed him. I said, like,
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because he was saying he needed a billion dollars for this,
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that and the other and I said, so we've we
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kind of missed the ball with Umaama. How do we
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prepare for the next one? And he said, basically, we're
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going to build this big telescope in Chile and then
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come up with a standardized system of checks and balances
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that we need to go through to figure this stuff out.
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But sounds awesome.
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I think what we need to do is plan for
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the next one now and then get on with the studying.
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It's it's separating the phenomena just because it's another thing
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outside of our experience doesn't mean it's a UAP or
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or anything like that, which I think is a common
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problem with the field anyway. When you don't when everything's
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in that we don't know what this is been, it's
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easy to model it all together like it. For a
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great example of that is the orbs that people keep
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seeing all over the place, right we throw them in
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the same basket as we do giant triangular spaceships and
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stuff like that, you know, and they couldn't be more different.
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So in my world the orbs stuff is gets wild
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because there's so much evidence of orbs being like seeing
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phenomenon side by side with like Bigfoot, Ye stuffy tons
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of that evidence.
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Yeah, and it fascinates me. I've seen them myself a
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lot of since we since we last spoke, and it's
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extraordinary they have. This is going to sound bonkers, but
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it's the truth. They have access to your at least
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your attention and I think your intention as well. The
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example I will give of that is first hand. So
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the first one that I saw was this. I was
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at my mum's house in Spain. She lives in the
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on the coast in Spain, and behind her house is
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this big mountain. In front of it is the bottom
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of the mountain and then the sea, and my bedroom
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faces up the mountain and I was sat on my
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bed with my phone uncharged, and I see this blood
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red orb sort of weaving its way. It kind of
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a little bit like a fruit fly, you know how
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they're just kind of a bit all over the place,
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and it's like meandering.
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I think is the best stable, but yet not stay.
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Yeah, it was just kind of like noodling around. And
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I was watching this thing. And when I first saw it, it
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was about probably fifty feet away. It was not pitch black,
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but it was it was.
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It was dark.
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I'd say it was probably half past nine at nights
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something like that. But summer so and I watched this
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thing and I was in my head it was like
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that that village of the damn thing. I'm thinking, like, right,
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what's this brick wall? Brickwall, don't know? Conclusions? Is that
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a Chinese lantern? No, I can see it's below the horizon,
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so it's it's something low. You know, it's not it's
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not in the sky. There's no people up there because
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there's wild boar at night and snakes.
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You just it's it's a wild mountain, so there's there's
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nobody up there in their right mind anyway, and why
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would they have a bright red.
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Thing. Then when it got.
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To probably twenty five feet away, I literally said like,
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now it is. It's an or But and at the
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time I was doing a lot of stuff for the
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UAP foles and I was like, right, I grab the phone,
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We're going to record this thing. And then case closed.
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The second I thought that, my hand reached out to
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get my phone and it just went gone. So I
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was like, oh, other examples of that. My mum, entirely
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separate to me, hadn't didn't have any UAP stuff until
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I started to, which is interesting in itself. She's outside
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one day, sees this bright orange basketball thing between her
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and the sea. It was about seven o'clock in the evening,
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so it's still daytime, essentially nothing around it. And the
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interesting thing is she chose to. She put her attention
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onto it the same way that she would if somebody
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in spirit came. Because she's a medium, so she will
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say like, oh, hello, you know, what are you here for,
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and that that person or entity will say, like my
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grand my granddaughters over there, can you go and give
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her this message for me? Like it happens out in
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public all the time. So she was watching this like
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burnt orange basketball thing probably one hundred yards away from her,
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and she said, you're not supposed.
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To be here, what are you?
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And it went straight up in the air after she'd
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watched it for like three four minutes. So that to
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me speaks of you know, post materialism or like your
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consciousness certainly not being limited inside here. But there's there's
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so many threads from that. But the last thing is
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is a spaceship, you know, it's it's not a machine.
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Yeah, like.
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But these these things yeah, And then when when so
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Jeff used to tell he came over to visitors and
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I was just saying, look, there's no protocols.
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You've just got to be open, positive.
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You've just got to be a nice person. You don't
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need to be special, you don't need to be a
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psionic asset or any of these fancy words that we
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we put on it. We walked down to the beach
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at about half past nine and we got the most
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outrageous light show. I'll send you, I'll send you the pictures.
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It was.
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It was it was performative, you know, but it was
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also like it was like how appropriate. This guy's testified
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about this stuff in Congress comes to visit with me,
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and then it's like it was just the perfect little
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play and it blew his mind. But there's nothing special
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about it. They're just kind of like a little life form.
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And I don't think that that.
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Historically, you get Francis of a c Si, John of Art,
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there some amazing encounters with what they called a ball
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of light or a fire coming from the heavens. And
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this is before a time when we knew what plasma was.
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And these phenomenas.
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So it fascinates me that they have any interest knows whatsoever,
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you know, because what animals do, there's certainly a life form.
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They seem to have some form of sentience. Because I've
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I've I've been sent a video by an incredibly trusted
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friend of one sort of out over the ways and
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he's watching this thing. It zips towards him and he's
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quite worried by it, and it backs off. So you know,
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that shows a little conscientiousness in my opinion, because it
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quite obviously didn't want to distress him.
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So that that's fascinating.
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That's that's something that I could happily spend the rest
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of my life studying these things. But when you broach
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the conversation with people, they're like, oh, yeah, but if
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you heard about three I at list and you're like.
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Oh god, yeah, you know what I mean, Yeah, for sure,
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I do.
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It does fascinate me though about the link to like
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you said, the cryptid, the cryptids and sasquatch and this
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is I think they are the kind of crossover point
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for this whole thing, you know what I.
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Mean, mostly could be mm hmm. It's so many things
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you just don't I mean, there's there's so many stories
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of Bigfoot disappearing like into like a portal, along with
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like orbs and kinds of stuff. I mean, it's wild
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and and yeah, I mean people who knows, people making
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stuff up. I don't know. But at the end of
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the day, it's it's a it's at this one, it's
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almost like mass psychosis. If it's anything other than that,
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you know, I I don't know.
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Yeah, Chris Bloodsoe as well. He talks about and his
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initial encounters with the lady. He was basically being chased
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through the Woodspice house by some big bowls of light
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and then they resolved into little dudes, it to little entities.
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So who knows what this modality is, you know what
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what No, it actually is, but it's definitely something.
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Yeah, for sure, it's definitely something because there's just too
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many There's too many well, it's just like Bigfoot in general,
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there's too many accounts for it to just be some
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bizarre you know, offshoot of you know. I mean, and
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it's not like everyone's schizophrenic, you know, it's not like
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you know, these are people that are literally like straight
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out of like the.
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The looney bin or whatever.
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These are. I mean, there's cops there's there's so many
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people that trusted folks, doctors, lawyers, you name, They've all
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had these bizarre experiences and there's just it's like I
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say in this podcast all the time, and half of
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my audience is going to roll their eyes right now.
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But they all rhyme. Everything rhymes, and there's some sort
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of congruence between all of these things.
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Yeah, they're just is Yeah. I mean, I won't take credit.
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A much more intelligent man than me said he feels
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like this is the point where we discovered the microscope
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and we found that there was this entirely new biosphere
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all around us, all over us, inside us that we
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had no idea existed. And we're at that point of rediscovery.
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I mean that you know that that's the one thing
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that science does have in common, is everything just keeps
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getting bigger, you know, whether it's Galileo or any of
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these people through history. And I think we're an the
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point where we need to be humble enough to say,
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you know, there's tons of stuff underneath us, maybe there's
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something above us.
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Yeah, and and or even inside of us. Or I
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mean I always think of like those those scenes from
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like Men in Black where they've got like the Marble
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at the very end where they're playing with marbles, and
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the marble is an entire inside the marble is an
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entire universe of things. And why not?
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Why not?
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I mean, it doesn't. It doesn't negate anybody's theories. It
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doesn't negate God, it doesn't negate UFOs. It doesn't make
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none of these stories because I'm so I think we've
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talked about this in the past. The two subjects that
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I've kind of like kept kept that arm's length are
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the flat earth theories and the Satan's Little Season. I've
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kind of kept these theories out here because I look
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at them as I mean, I'm I guess you would
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call agnostic to them because in the grand scheme of
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the world, in my world, like what I can control
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and what I do, it doesn't matter if they're right
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or wrong.
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It just doesn't.
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Because yeah, so what the world's flat or so what
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we live in a heliocentric model. Now that makes things
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a lot crazier because that means our universe is. But again,
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why wouldn't it be infinite in our you know, flat
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earth either it could just go on infinitely forever, I mean,
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and this is what I and this is what I
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try to make people realize because I feel like they
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you ever have you ever watched or heard of the
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show Weeds?
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Oh ahead of It's one of those that always meant
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to watch it.
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I know it's been like fifteen years away right back.
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It was on Showtime like twenty years ago, and it
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was you know, there's a song at the beginning of
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that and it's it's called little Boxes and it's like
488
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:23.200
little boxes, little boxes, little boxes full of tiki teking
489
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:26.160
and it's like it just reminds me. And that's what
490
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:30.960
it is, is that cookie cutter suburban neighborhood and everybody
491
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:34.799
is in their little box, right, you know? And all
492
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:37.640
these things do folks, is they keep you in your
493
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:38.559
little box?
494
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:39.519
Yes?
495
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:44.279
And when you it's yeah, So what that would be
496
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:47.680
so cool if Antarctica was an ice wall and there
497
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:51.720
was stuff beyond it? Are you kidding me? How isn't
498
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:55.799
that cool? Right? But you can't get wrapped up in
499
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:59.119
it if we don't have actual proof. That's how I
500
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:02.240
kind of look at it. I can dream about being
501
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:04.920
in Lord of the Rings all that I want, but
502
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:08.279
that doesn't mean there's orcs ogres and whatever that I
503
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.720
can actively fight with as much as that would be
504
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.920
cool to me, I'm just saying, yeah, as much as
505
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:19.640
I want to be a freaking character in Warhammer or
506
00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:21.640
that just said, I think, do you.
507
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:25.440
Know that's a perfect example. And so actually had this
508
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:29.000
conversation earlier today was just doesn't even surprise me anymore
509
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:33.960
about how weird this is. But like, there is no
510
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.839
such thing as consensus reality. Yeah, you know, it's it's
511
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:42.759
science's job, which we've forgotten to be humble enough to51200:30:42.920 --> 00:30:47.480
prove itself wrong. When science breaks, we're getting somewhere. But51300:30:47.599 --> 00:30:53.200
we've we've kind of calcified science into this religion of oh,51400:30:53.519 --> 00:30:55.079
if it's not in the book, it's not real. And51500:30:55.079 --> 00:30:58.960
it's like, dude, the book gets reprinted and burned about51600:30:59.039 --> 00:31:03.759
every twenty fifty years anyway, Like, yeah, it's your job's51700:31:04.279 --> 00:31:06.519
it shows progress to be flexible.51800:31:06.839 --> 00:31:09.279
If you're if you're if you're rigid, you're.51900:31:09.119 --> 00:31:12.440
Fragile and you're gonna get smashed. And there is no52000:31:12.559 --> 00:31:15.240
such thing as consensus reality. I mean, if you have52100:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.519
two people with all the same moral beliefs and they're saying,52200:31:18.519 --> 00:31:21.000
will do you? One might be religious, you know, If52300:31:21.039 --> 00:31:23.920
you you ask a Viking what's going on with the sun,52400:31:24.039 --> 00:31:25.279
He'll tell you it's being.52500:31:25.119 --> 00:31:27.839
Pulled by wolves. You ask a Greek, it's pulled by fate.52600:31:27.960 --> 00:31:30.640
I'm in a chariot. And yet the end.52700:31:30.480 --> 00:31:32.839
Result is that the sun comes up every day and52800:31:32.880 --> 00:31:36.319
goes down. And that's a measurable, repeatable observation. And it52900:31:36.400 --> 00:31:41.079
doesn't it doesn't really matter because who's to say we53000:31:41.119 --> 00:31:43.039
can even understand what the what.53100:31:43.039 --> 00:31:43.960
The truth of it is.53200:31:44.000 --> 00:31:48.319
I mean, all the planets that we can observe. If53300:31:48.359 --> 00:31:50.480
you've ever had your star chat done, it will terrify53400:31:50.559 --> 00:31:52.240
you how accurate that will be. I mean, it told53500:31:52.279 --> 00:31:55.000
me how bad I am with old relationships and how53600:31:55.000 --> 00:31:57.599
I struggle with this kind of thing, and you know,53700:31:57.640 --> 00:32:00.480
and I'm like, oh my, how does put to the53800:32:00.880 --> 00:32:05.759
you know, so we have we have the tiniest glimpse53900:32:05.960 --> 00:32:08.880
of of of reality and then because we write it54000:32:08.920 --> 00:32:12.000
down in books, we think, well, this this is the loull.54100:32:12.000 --> 00:32:17.000
You know, I mean, And like I just interviewed Ron Moorehead.54200:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.240
I don't know if you know who that is. He54300:32:20.119 --> 00:32:24.000
is the guy one of the gentlemen behind the Sierra54400:32:24.160 --> 00:32:33.240
Sounds which are of Bigfoot in and his theory is54500:32:33.359 --> 00:32:37.839
quantum bigfoot essentially, but he brings up really good points.54600:32:37.839 --> 00:32:40.400
And I've talked about this so much on the show.54700:32:40.480 --> 00:32:46.680
Is our our perception wavelength wise is this much and54800:32:46.720 --> 00:32:50.799
the rest that we even know about, specifically that we54900:32:50.880 --> 00:32:57.400
even know exists, is about this much. Ye So literally55000:32:58.160 --> 00:33:03.519
we can see and or smell taste about this much55100:33:04.720 --> 00:33:10.720
of a system that we know probably is about this much.55200:33:11.039 --> 00:33:14.319
So it's like, how can we say you don't even55300:33:14.319 --> 00:33:18.880
know anything? Bro, Like, stop it exactly?55400:33:19.000 --> 00:33:22.400
How arrogant is I mean, that's that's like the arrogant55500:33:22.480 --> 00:33:24.559
fourteen year old kid that thinks he's got the whole55600:33:24.599 --> 00:33:26.440
world figured out, and all the adults that they're going,55700:33:26.480 --> 00:33:30.279
oh my god. And I think, whatever this these higher55800:33:30.319 --> 00:33:34.039
intelligences are, because there's clearly more than one. I'm sure55900:33:34.039 --> 00:33:37.880
they're doing that with us, you know. But but what56000:33:38.039 --> 00:33:41.839
fascinates me is is that for some reason they seem56100:33:41.960 --> 00:33:46.640
to be invested in us, you know. And I love56200:33:46.680 --> 00:33:48.559
the fact that they don't turn up on the White56300:33:48.559 --> 00:33:51.400
House loand they turn up to people like Travis Walton56400:33:51.480 --> 00:33:53.680
and in the middle of the woods with a pickup56500:33:53.720 --> 00:33:57.640
truck and it right, And I think the The term56600:33:57.759 --> 00:34:01.640
that I've become most endeared with is the UAP or56700:34:02.079 --> 00:34:05.960
sasquatch or any of these things that are outside of56800:34:06.000 --> 00:34:10.480
our reality. They act as cultural acupuncture. Like it just56900:34:10.679 --> 00:34:12.800
every now and then, when things are going stale and57000:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.960
we're all starting to believe the same thing, it goes, hey,57100:34:15.960 --> 00:34:17.679
I'm a look at this kid, don't I explain that?57200:34:17.760 --> 00:34:19.320
And then throws you back into the pond.57300:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.840
You know, it's like catching a fish showing a volcano57400:34:22.000 --> 00:34:23.920
erupting on your phone and they're putting it back in57500:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.119
and like, yeah, explain that to the other fish.57600:34:27.360 --> 00:34:27.639
Yeah.57700:34:27.760 --> 00:34:31.559
And something's something's doing that with us and has been57800:34:33.440 --> 00:34:36.800
prior to us even having records. You know, our our57900:34:37.079 --> 00:34:40.280
human history only goes back, say one hundred thousand years58000:34:40.840 --> 00:34:42.000
and then not.58100:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.559
Even really I mean in theory, I guess it does,58200:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.320
but it I mean.58300:34:47.840 --> 00:34:49.000
We don't know what was going on.58400:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.400
I just literally goes back like six thousand years. That's58500:34:52.559 --> 00:34:59.440
that's kind of we kind of have that sort of.58600:34:58.159 --> 00:35:01.760
And when you see these petrog lifts and and things58700:35:01.800 --> 00:35:05.599
like that and all around the world that there's that58800:35:05.679 --> 00:35:09.000
ain't people. You know, any kid can draw a stick58900:35:09.039 --> 00:35:11.079
man and you draw something that looks like an inverted59000:35:11.119 --> 00:35:18.360
triangle with big pointy horns and or whatever exactly exactly,59100:35:18.440 --> 00:35:22.639
and and our oldest religions Babylon has ohanas that came59200:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.000
out of the sea, and you know, they said he59300:35:25.079 --> 00:35:26.920
was dressed in the scales of a fish. But as59400:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.360
your frame of reference, what silver and shiny at that time,59500:35:30.400 --> 00:35:33.239
it's pre iron age, you know, yeah, it's a fish.59600:35:34.000 --> 00:35:34.480
Probably.59700:35:35.440 --> 00:35:40.440
So the Roman soldiers used to call u ap rondels59800:35:40.800 --> 00:35:42.079
because the rondel.59900:35:41.840 --> 00:35:42.840
Was their round shield.60000:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.159
And yeah, I guess it looks like there's some shields60100:35:45.159 --> 00:35:49.519
in the.60200:35:47.679 --> 00:35:52.360
Flying chariots, fiery chariots in every like so many different60300:35:52.400 --> 00:35:56.400
stories in the Bible, fiery chariots. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that60400:35:56.440 --> 00:36:00.320
sounds like something that you know what I mean, all60500:36:00.360 --> 00:36:01.199
these things.60600:36:01.360 --> 00:36:04.639
And that whole be not afraid man. I think that's60700:36:05.320 --> 00:36:13.360
seriously under examined, given that these things can influence your emotions.60800:36:13.639 --> 00:36:15.920
If you look at Betty and Barney Hill, I mean,60900:36:16.400 --> 00:36:21.840
how on earth can that lady be on a spaceship,61000:36:22.360 --> 00:36:25.440
you know, and this is this is all this is61100:36:25.800 --> 00:36:27.960
prior to I think what was landing on the moon61200:36:28.000 --> 00:36:32.360
that this happened. She's on the spaceship on the spaceship.61300:36:32.400 --> 00:36:36.760
Her husband is being essentially operated on in another room61400:36:36.800 --> 00:36:40.920
by aliens, and she's just having a lovely affable chat61500:36:41.000 --> 00:36:44.639
with this with this entity that's keeping her business, saying like, oh,61600:36:44.679 --> 00:36:46.559
can I keep this book? You know, I can probably61700:36:46.599 --> 00:36:48.480
arrange for you to meet the president. I don't know how.61800:36:48.760 --> 00:36:51.199
So it's like this stuff can.61900:36:51.159 --> 00:36:55.239
Influence our emotions, you know, And I think that's maybe62000:36:55.920 --> 00:36:59.320
part of the reason that we don't get the disclosure62100:36:59.360 --> 00:37:06.000
of everybody is pining for It's it's a difficult conversation62200:37:06.119 --> 00:37:08.199
to have that you're not the biggest dog in the yard,62300:37:08.280 --> 00:37:11.400
you know, or that something else right can can do.62400:37:11.519 --> 00:37:14.280
And but but then you've got you know, there's possession62500:37:14.440 --> 00:37:18.920
and all of these other crossover points, touch points if62600:37:18.920 --> 00:37:22.840
you like, with human culture that we put down to superstition.62700:37:22.960 --> 00:37:24.519
And it's like, well, not what if it's a thing.62800:37:25.199 --> 00:37:27.880
You know, we know that there are fungus that can62900:37:27.920 --> 00:37:33.760
take over a living creature, So what how is to63000:37:33.800 --> 00:37:37.039
say a non physical entity cannot take over a physical enterity.63100:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.800
That's what happens to us when we're born. You know,63200:37:39.960 --> 00:37:43.760
some some a little meat robot is created in your63300:37:43.800 --> 00:37:46.480
mother and then yeah, you log in and.63400:37:46.480 --> 00:37:48.320
That's you for the long ride, you know.63500:37:48.559 --> 00:37:53.159
Yeah, because there's obviously something there, whether it's the soul63600:37:53.360 --> 00:37:55.679
or spirit, whatever you want to call it, right, but63700:37:56.239 --> 00:38:00.440
they actually science can actually they know it. It has63800:38:00.519 --> 00:38:07.079
weight because now they've they've weighed people at the time63900:38:07.119 --> 00:38:09.960
of death and all of a sudden they become lighter.64000:38:10.440 --> 00:38:13.840
It was like twenty Oh, I can't remember what it was.64100:38:13.960 --> 00:38:17.400
Yeah, yeah, no, it's fascinating. I did a series one64200:38:17.599 --> 00:38:21.239
near death experiences as well, which is weirdly how I64300:38:21.280 --> 00:38:25.639
got to know Jeff and I interviewed ten people that64400:38:25.719 --> 00:38:29.119
had had a near death experience, had fallen out of body,64500:38:30.079 --> 00:38:37.920
and I think seven out of the ten saw entities64600:38:38.360 --> 00:38:42.320
when they were out and could describe things that were64700:38:42.320 --> 00:38:46.440
happening whilst their body was unconscious or being put back64800:38:46.440 --> 00:38:50.719
together in some cases and things. Eight out of the64900:38:50.800 --> 00:38:51.800
ten people.65000:38:51.480 --> 00:38:56.199
That I interviewed went on to CUAP.65100:38:57.960 --> 00:39:02.360
And so you know, eight, that's an a percent success, right,65200:39:03.079 --> 00:39:07.679
And so how is this not how can we possibly65300:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.239
just look at this from the viewpoint of secret machines65400:39:10.280 --> 00:39:14.519
through our little viewpoint, you know, I mean.65500:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.920
There's people like Karen Wilkinson out there. I don't know65600:39:16.920 --> 00:39:19.679
if you've ever heard of her or interviewed her, but65700:39:21.599 --> 00:39:28.000
you know she's a lifelong abductee, right, and her thing65800:39:28.159 --> 00:39:33.119
is and she's convinced that which she has stated she65900:39:33.199 --> 00:39:37.360
hasn't been impregnated more than once, and then the child66000:39:37.400 --> 00:39:42.920
has been taken, and then the children have come back66100:39:43.159 --> 00:39:48.079
later to like introduce themselves or something. There's something going66200:39:48.119 --> 00:39:48.519
on there.66300:39:48.960 --> 00:39:54.239
Wacky fascinates me.66400:39:54.559 --> 00:39:55.000
It does.66500:39:55.199 --> 00:39:56.639
It's it's a child.66600:39:57.519 --> 00:39:59.719
So I was I keep name dropping it and it66700:39:59.760 --> 00:40:01.840
makes really toko because I hate.66800:40:01.719 --> 00:40:02.840
Being that like, oh, look could be.66900:40:03.880 --> 00:40:06.960
I was honored to interview Grant Cameron, who's one of67000:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.920
my biggest heroes in the UAP field, and he said,67100:40:11.079 --> 00:40:13.519
I mean he took he speaks for four hundred miles67200:40:13.559 --> 00:40:17.199
an hour. Anyway, it's plugging broadband internet into your head67300:40:17.199 --> 00:40:19.920
and just going, oh my god. But he said, like,67400:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.719
why do they wake you up? You know, you get67500:40:22.719 --> 00:40:29.280
these abduction experiences. For example, us in our very primitive world.67600:40:30.079 --> 00:40:32.360
If we want to go and check out a zebra67700:40:32.599 --> 00:40:35.679
in this in the savannah, it'll go yeah, I saw this.67800:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.360
I saw the silver big thing in the sky, and67900:40:38.440 --> 00:40:40.400
then I woke up three hours later with the sun.68000:40:40.440 --> 00:40:43.519
But I don't know what happened, Whereas in the classic68100:40:43.880 --> 00:40:46.519
abduction experience, it's like I woke up in bed and68200:40:46.559 --> 00:40:48.239
there was these things all around my bed, and then68300:40:48.239 --> 00:40:49.760
I go back to sleep, and then I wake up68400:40:49.760 --> 00:40:53.000
on the ship, and it's like, if you're being studied68500:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.559
for your well being, why are they having a conversation?68600:40:55.639 --> 00:40:56.800
Why are they waking you up?68700:40:56.920 --> 00:41:00.880
Or it's to leave an imprint, it is to change.68800:41:00.559 --> 00:41:06.840
Your character and culture. And I find that fascinating, like68900:41:06.960 --> 00:41:10.000
why is this thing or all these things, Why is69000:41:10.039 --> 00:41:15.840
this phenomena invested in changing our personalities?69100:41:16.199 --> 00:41:21.000
I don't know that. The one thing that also really69200:41:21.760 --> 00:41:26.960
hits me a lot of times too is the family aspect.69300:41:27.480 --> 00:41:32.239
Is they will, at least abduction wise a lot of69400:41:32.239 --> 00:41:38.159
times will run in families. Yep, yeah, I'm trying to remember.69500:41:38.559 --> 00:41:41.599
So I had some extraordinary examples if that happened. While69600:41:41.679 --> 00:41:45.880
starts with my mom. Man, I don't want to I69700:41:45.920 --> 00:41:48.079
don't want to get too weird, because the thing is,69800:41:48.800 --> 00:41:51.639
this thing has to be experienced to be believable. I mean,69900:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.880
some of my very best friends that I could would70000:41:54.960 --> 00:41:57.679
trust me with their lives, I can say, you know,70100:41:57.800 --> 00:42:00.480
like Mom, and I spoke to this entity and living70200:42:00.559 --> 00:42:03.960
room and they'll just be like, yeah, okay, dude, like yeah,70300:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.000
have you been you know, are you okay? Do you70400:42:06.039 --> 00:42:10.239
need to see somebody? So it's it's when I say70500:42:10.280 --> 00:42:13.119
it's not appropriate to get too weird, it's because it70600:42:13.280 --> 00:42:16.960
just can't settle in, you know, imagine not explaining normal70700:42:17.000 --> 00:42:17.880
person for sure.70800:42:18.039 --> 00:42:18.960
Yeah.70900:42:19.039 --> 00:42:24.159
Yeah, but but needless to say, I've had shared experiences71000:42:24.199 --> 00:42:27.039
with my mum where rather than get somebody's grandma through,71100:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.119
it should be like, oh, there's some big blue dude here,71200:42:30.639 --> 00:42:33.760
and then he will give me hyper specific information about71300:42:33.800 --> 00:42:37.239
research I've been doing way away from my mum that71400:42:37.280 --> 00:42:38.800
I've never had that conversation about.71500:42:38.960 --> 00:42:40.840
And it's like, well, process that, you.71600:42:40.719 --> 00:42:45.880
Know, Yeah, yeah, I have. I have two other friends71700:42:45.920 --> 00:42:49.519
that come on, well they've been on before, Leslie and71800:42:49.599 --> 00:42:55.239
Stephen Shaw, who you could probably interview as well. They71900:42:55.880 --> 00:43:02.000
they have Stephen has a lifelong abductee as well, and72000:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.719
so is other people in his family. And he brings72100:43:05.800 --> 00:43:10.039
up a really tall blue dude that has a name72200:43:10.360 --> 00:43:14.840
actually that comes and that's the that's they have. The72300:43:14.880 --> 00:43:19.599
family has a relationship with Yeah, I guess you could72400:43:19.679 --> 00:43:21.480
say that a relationship.72500:43:22.079 --> 00:43:23.840
Yeah, but they have.72600:43:24.360 --> 00:43:29.360
They have a pretty good book there, you know. I72700:43:29.400 --> 00:43:34.840
think they were in a documentary that like it was72800:43:34.880 --> 00:43:37.840
on It wasn't George Norrie. I mean, what was in that?72900:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.559
And I'm trying to think who was the director, but73000:43:40.599 --> 00:43:46.719
I want to say it was. I don't think it73100:43:46.760 --> 00:43:49.400
was the Age of Disclosure. It was something else. It's73200:43:49.440 --> 00:43:52.960
another I can send it to you. But it was73300:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.880
a pretty good documentary that they were in him And73400:43:55.880 --> 00:43:57.559
it was one of the people that's on like Coast73500:43:57.599 --> 00:44:01.400
to Coast all the time. Yeah, and I can't remember,73600:44:01.519 --> 00:44:05.320
but it's one somebody's son. It might be Georgan Ray's son.73700:44:05.440 --> 00:44:09.239
I don't know if George Ray has a son, but anyway,73800:44:09.320 --> 00:44:14.199
he you know, man, some of this stuff just blows73900:44:14.280 --> 00:44:18.199
my mind. Like and then you've got and their thing74000:44:18.360 --> 00:44:24.719
is this Their thing is that these entities are actually74100:44:25.760 --> 00:44:31.400
like I wouldn't say that they're human, but they they're74200:44:31.559 --> 00:44:35.239
like the Limerians are like the lands and they live74300:44:35.320 --> 00:44:38.239
on the ground essentially at this point, and that they74400:44:38.280 --> 00:44:42.159
come out and and do all the stuff. But they're74500:44:42.199 --> 00:44:46.280
way more advanced than we are, right And you know,74600:44:46.599 --> 00:44:51.159
I don't again again, I take it all in, man,74700:44:51.519 --> 00:44:55.760
and I love it and at the end of the day,74800:44:56.320 --> 00:44:59.440
I mean, I show me the proof, show me the whatever.74900:44:59.679 --> 00:45:02.639
I but it's one of those things. I absorb it75000:45:02.639 --> 00:45:08.840
all and I never, I never let it skew my judgment. Like, dude,75100:45:08.880 --> 00:45:12.400
you're out of your mind. Those words don't even ex75200:45:12.960 --> 00:45:17.400
exist in my vocabulary anymore because I've seen so much75300:45:17.480 --> 00:45:20.679
crazy stuff, so much things, and so many things in75400:45:20.719 --> 00:45:24.800
my everyday life. I see things that people can't see.75500:45:25.480 --> 00:45:28.960
So it's hard for me to judge anyone because I mean,75600:45:29.039 --> 00:45:31.039
I didn't have a near death experience, and I think75700:45:31.079 --> 00:45:35.280
you have talked. We've talked about this, but I definitely75800:45:35.480 --> 00:45:38.840
passed away for a period of time, and when I75900:45:38.880 --> 00:45:44.679
came back, I could see people's auras. So explain to76000:45:44.719 --> 00:45:49.079
me what that is, you know what I mean. So, so,76100:45:50.960 --> 00:45:55.639
I mean I can't judge anybody for their shit at all.76200:45:56.280 --> 00:45:58.079
No, exactly, absolutely right.76300:45:58.159 --> 00:46:02.440
I mean, if, like I said, everybody's living their own76400:46:02.679 --> 00:46:06.199
version of reality, and like just for I'm only I'm76500:46:06.239 --> 00:46:08.559
harping on about it because it's somebody I know and trust,76600:46:08.559 --> 00:46:13.280
But like my mum's reality is that you're dead. For76700:46:13.360 --> 00:46:17.280
want of the better word, relatives can still hang out76800:46:17.480 --> 00:46:20.639
and still love you and still are invested in what76900:46:20.719 --> 00:46:24.199
you're up to. And and I think the hardest thing77000:46:24.440 --> 00:46:29.760
for me is when I see other friends grieve because77100:46:29.840 --> 00:46:34.360
I'm like, you have to bite your tongue because I'm like, dude,77200:46:34.400 --> 00:46:35.599
I won't be that zelop.77300:46:36.000 --> 00:46:37.840
That's saying, you know, come over to my side.77400:46:38.239 --> 00:46:43.559
But if you knew, like you wouldn't be in pain,77500:46:44.039 --> 00:46:46.639
you know, it would be It's difficult, but it would77600:46:46.679 --> 00:46:51.400
be more of a transitional feeling than a loss of feeling.77700:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.440
And that's I think.77800:46:55.360 --> 00:47:00.480
What's frustrating when people are only focused on a niche77900:47:00.519 --> 00:47:02.960
that interests them. It's like, no, dude, you've got to78000:47:03.039 --> 00:47:07.320
just follow follow this and until you've run out of78100:47:07.400 --> 00:47:08.320
data and then just.78200:47:08.280 --> 00:47:13.000
Paying open everything you really have to. I mean, and78300:47:13.400 --> 00:47:19.360
that's hard to do in certain if you're in certain scopes, right,78400:47:19.440 --> 00:47:25.199
if you're in certain clubs or whatever you want to Yeah, yeah,78500:47:25.440 --> 00:47:29.599
especially like with Christians and stuff like like the whole78600:47:29.639 --> 00:47:33.920
deal with your mother. M So many people that I78700:47:33.960 --> 00:47:36.239
know are like, nope, she's talking to demons.78800:47:36.719 --> 00:47:39.960
Yeah yeah, yeah, she went and maybe she is a temple.78900:47:40.679 --> 00:47:44.039
She went with me to a Buddhist temple and she79000:47:44.119 --> 00:47:46.119
got to meet the Lama and she's like, I need79100:47:46.119 --> 00:47:48.960
to ask your opinion because I speak to people that79200:47:49.039 --> 00:47:52.320
have commit suicide, and tons of people tell.79300:47:52.199 --> 00:47:54.719
Me that that's a terrible you know, in a lot79400:47:54.840 --> 00:47:56.000
of people's faith systems.79500:47:56.079 --> 00:47:57.920
Yeah, they're supposed to go other places.79600:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.599
That's irredeemable. And she's like, I'm am, I doing a79700:48:00.599 --> 00:48:02.679
bad thing because I only want to help people. And79800:48:02.679 --> 00:48:06.280
he said, just be honest, do what you're doing, and79900:48:06.320 --> 00:48:09.039
the you know how we describe the world will catch80000:48:09.119 --> 00:48:09.679
up eventually.80100:48:09.719 --> 00:48:12.360
And I thought that was beautiful, it's perfect.80200:48:13.639 --> 00:48:17.039
But I think to summarize, the only thing that we80300:48:17.119 --> 00:48:20.800
actually have control over is our intent, you know. And80400:48:21.119 --> 00:48:24.639
if you we talk about the hitchhiker effects, and we80500:48:24.760 --> 00:48:27.480
send all these terrible people to go and investigate this80600:48:27.559 --> 00:48:32.119
stuff and they have a terrible time, and you send good,80700:48:32.280 --> 00:48:37.960
open hearted, conscientious people into the unknown and it reflects80800:48:38.000 --> 00:48:41.800
it back. So I think that's scary if you're in80900:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.119
luckhied Martin or the CIA or something. But for the81000:48:45.280 --> 00:48:48.239
for the Chris Bledells and the fluffy little weirdos like81100:48:48.320 --> 00:48:49.400
us in the world, you know.81200:48:49.920 --> 00:48:50.400
That's it.81300:48:50.480 --> 00:48:54.639
And the end of the day, no matter what extraordinary81400:48:54.679 --> 00:48:57.480
things you discover, whilst you research this, the end result81500:48:57.880 --> 00:49:00.519
is your normal life. You're still going to couplet the81600:49:00.519 --> 00:49:03.440
same time. No invisible bad is going to eat you81700:49:03.559 --> 00:49:09.119
just because you know that these invisible things exist. Then yeah, right, exactly,81800:49:09.559 --> 00:49:10.519
you're still gonna work.81900:49:10.559 --> 00:49:13.480
And if they do, then I'm pretty sure you're meant82000:49:13.480 --> 00:49:18.719
to get eaten by an invisible there he exactly. So82100:49:19.119 --> 00:49:23.079
I mean, yes, I love the idea. I love how82200:49:23.119 --> 00:49:30.000
you say that that intent matters, but so does consent,82300:49:31.239 --> 00:49:33.800
and and that's one of those other things that people82400:49:33.840 --> 00:49:39.320
have to understand. You only let in what you allow in,82500:49:41.599 --> 00:49:46.199
and there are mechanisms for you to expel things that82600:49:46.960 --> 00:49:51.280
are in you or hitchhiking or whatever you want to82700:49:51.320 --> 00:49:55.519
call it, or things that bother you or think Because82800:49:55.599 --> 00:50:01.559
the one thing that I do know unequivocally is that82900:50:01.599 --> 00:50:05.119
there's good and there's evil. I do know that because83000:50:05.159 --> 00:50:08.840
I've experienced both of those. There's also a lot of.83100:50:10.599 --> 00:50:10.920
Gray.83200:50:11.519 --> 00:50:14.880
It's not all black and white. There's so much of83300:50:14.920 --> 00:50:19.039
the world is gray or whatever the hell analogy you83400:50:19.079 --> 00:50:22.519
want to use to call it the in between, right,83500:50:24.960 --> 00:50:30.519
which frankly is most of humanity. Yeah, because because people83600:50:30.880 --> 00:50:34.800
only believe not but there's you know, there's this camp,83700:50:34.840 --> 00:50:38.000
there's that camp, and then there's all the crap in between,83800:50:39.119 --> 00:50:43.119
And I'm just I refuse to be part of a camp.83900:50:44.119 --> 00:50:45.880
I refuse to put down.84000:50:45.920 --> 00:50:49.079
I'm more of a nomad, that's what you know.84100:50:51.079 --> 00:50:55.480
We I think that the most insidious thing that's happening84200:50:55.519 --> 00:50:59.880
to is outside of the outside of the normal ten84300:51:00.400 --> 00:51:03.159
Right now, if they turn us on each other, you know,84400:51:03.440 --> 00:51:08.679
we're already We're already an endangered species. And the last84500:51:08.719 --> 00:51:11.239
thing we should be doing is pulling each other down84600:51:11.280 --> 00:51:14.880
and discratinate. You know, that's the job of the wolves outside.84700:51:15.199 --> 00:51:17.960
You know, let them say what they like. But I84800:51:19.000 --> 00:51:23.119
know the things that have happened to me are unbelievable84900:51:23.440 --> 00:51:26.800
to people. So who am I to judge anybody having85000:51:26.920 --> 00:51:28.800
extraordinary beliefs exactly?85100:51:30.719 --> 00:51:35.800
Like I don't. Yeah, I don't get it, man, I85200:51:35.880 --> 00:51:40.039
don't understand it because I do kind of. I do85300:51:42.440 --> 00:51:47.039
share my unbelievable stuff to an extent, But like, I85400:51:47.199 --> 00:51:52.719
just wish, like if you could see through someone else's85500:51:52.800 --> 00:51:58.159
eyes like what they're seeing, like you can't even imagine85600:51:59.079 --> 00:52:03.639
or feel like what other people feel like that have the.85700:52:05.159 --> 00:52:09.639
Yeah, there's an amazing line that keeps coming back to85800:52:09.679 --> 00:52:13.400
me from I think it's contact with Jody Fuster, And85900:52:14.000 --> 00:52:17.079
she's talking at the start to Matthew mcconaughhan, and he's like,86000:52:18.480 --> 00:52:21.239
she's saying, look, there's no proof, you know, like let's86100:52:21.280 --> 00:52:25.960
get where's the laboratory testing, where's the proof? And he says, okay,86200:52:26.320 --> 00:52:27.239
did you love your dad?86300:52:29.079 --> 00:52:31.159
Like prove it right?86400:52:32.800 --> 00:52:35.440
You know, that doesn't fit, that doesn't fit science. And yeah,86500:52:35.480 --> 00:52:39.000
it's probably the most controlling aspect of a human's life,86600:52:39.079 --> 00:52:42.000
is love and loyalty and stuff like that, and that86700:52:42.000 --> 00:52:47.360
can't be quantified. That the whole spectrum of experience out86800:52:47.400 --> 00:52:52.280
there that doesn't fit it can't be measured. And we86900:52:52.519 --> 00:52:55.039
just need to be humble enough to at the very87000:52:55.119 --> 00:52:59.320
least allow people to hold these beliefs and and just87100:52:59.360 --> 00:53:00.000
support them.87200:53:00.199 --> 00:53:00.400
You know.87300:53:01.679 --> 00:53:03.039
It's no different from a religion.87400:53:03.039 --> 00:53:06.519
I've got friends there, Muslims, I've got friends Catholic, Christians87500:53:06.519 --> 00:53:09.599
and everything you want to choose. And I have no87600:53:09.719 --> 00:53:13.840
interest in was unifying these things, like I celebrate differences.87700:53:14.199 --> 00:53:16.920
That's what brings color to the world, you know, And87800:53:17.119 --> 00:53:22.880
and maybe these things interacting with us in the same way, you.87900:53:22.840 --> 00:53:26.239
Know, Yeah, you never know, I mean and you know what,88000:53:27.039 --> 00:53:32.480
just people really have a problem admitting they're wrong. Yeah,88100:53:33.000 --> 00:53:36.119
And I feel like that's just and the opposite of88200:53:36.159 --> 00:53:43.159
not the I think what happens in this culture, especially88300:53:43.239 --> 00:53:47.280
American culture, what ends up happening a lot is people88400:53:47.559 --> 00:53:53.880
suspend all belief. Yeah, and that's not healthy either, right,88500:53:55.159 --> 00:53:57.400
And it's not that you have to pick sides, but88600:53:57.719 --> 00:53:59.840
you you have to go with.88700:53:59.719 --> 00:54:00.400
What you know.88800:54:00.760 --> 00:54:04.719
And I really hate the term your truth or your whatever,88900:54:04.800 --> 00:54:12.000
but I mean people go through educational systems all the time,89000:54:12.119 --> 00:54:16.079
you know, like, and the way that you educate yourself matters,89100:54:16.840 --> 00:54:19.320
and the way that you believe matters. And if you89200:54:19.360 --> 00:54:24.599
want to hold on to these things in a weaponized fashion,89300:54:25.679 --> 00:54:32.519
then you're just never going to experience all the things, right, No, No, I.89400:54:32.400 --> 00:54:34.639
Imagine having the same belief system as an adult that89500:54:34.679 --> 00:54:37.599
you did as a kid. That would be ridiculous. And89600:54:37.719 --> 00:54:42.159
yet some you know, that's what a lot of the89700:54:42.199 --> 00:54:44.559
world does. And I'm not judging them, because you know,89800:54:44.599 --> 00:54:47.360
we're bombarded by horror and we're all holding onto the89900:54:47.360 --> 00:54:50.719
handrails as tight as we can. Yes, you know, at90000:54:50.719 --> 00:54:52.679
the moment, with social media and the news and the90100:54:52.679 --> 00:54:54.880
worlds just get like acting like a brick in a90200:54:55.000 --> 00:54:57.920
washing machine right now. So I can appreciate when people90300:54:58.199 --> 00:55:01.559
are just like, yeah, I cannot handle right now, you know. Yeah,90400:55:01.960 --> 00:55:03.920
I need to believe that at least the world is90500:55:03.960 --> 00:55:04.920
what I've been told.90600:55:05.559 --> 00:55:09.480
But I just think, well, if this one's broken, like,90700:55:09.719 --> 00:55:11.199
why not believe in something better?90800:55:13.280 --> 00:55:18.079
Yeah? True story, you know, And I catch a lot90900:55:18.119 --> 00:55:22.079
of shit, man, I do we all do? I mean91000:55:22.400 --> 00:55:22.840
we all do?91100:55:22.960 --> 00:55:23.159
You know?91200:55:23.360 --> 00:55:26.199
It's okay catching that because I've seen the things that91300:55:26.239 --> 00:55:28.760
they cheer for and I wouldn't want to be associated91400:55:28.760 --> 00:55:31.039
with that, you know. I know that's somebody else's line,91500:55:31.119 --> 00:55:32.840
but it's okay.91600:55:32.920 --> 00:55:35.800
You know, I'm I'm. I think we're in a good club.91700:55:35.880 --> 00:55:38.840
And the people I've been honored to make friends with,91800:55:39.039 --> 00:55:42.159
like yourself and guys you know that the old Cantato91900:55:42.280 --> 00:55:46.599
podcast in Brazil, Like, we're this club's getting bigger and92000:55:46.639 --> 00:55:48.119
we're starting to build some bridges.92100:55:48.199 --> 00:55:51.960
Man, you know, it's definitely expanding for sure.92200:55:52.039 --> 00:55:52.519
Yeah.92300:55:52.840 --> 00:55:53.159
Mmm.92400:55:53.760 --> 00:55:56.039
The question is is the world getting marder or are92500:55:56.039 --> 00:55:57.239
we just starting to notice?92600:55:59.239 --> 00:56:04.960
I think I think it's it's a really good question.92700:56:05.199 --> 00:56:08.000
I think it's always been weird. I think we're just92800:56:08.039 --> 00:56:11.559
starting to notice. I just think it's becoming more and92900:56:11.599 --> 00:56:14.960
more and more because you can't hold it back like93000:56:15.039 --> 00:56:20.880
the Damns. The question is why is it being held back?93100:56:21.639 --> 00:56:25.800
Massive question and that's the discernment part, Like you have93200:56:25.880 --> 00:56:28.880
to look at it like and that might be the93300:56:29.000 --> 00:56:34.840
question of good and evil, Yeah, and the great you know,93400:56:35.159 --> 00:56:39.559
the verbial question of you know, good versus evil, bad,93500:56:40.239 --> 00:56:42.840
good and bad, light and dark, you know. I mean,93600:56:46.239 --> 00:56:51.079
it simplifies life to do that, but it also complicates93700:56:51.119 --> 00:56:51.920
it at the same time.93800:56:53.320 --> 00:56:56.239
Yeah, stuff just keeps getting bigger. Moun it, It just does.93900:56:57.239 --> 00:57:00.440
It just does, And you're like, man overall, I think94000:57:00.639 --> 00:57:03.880
for me, it's just that it's it's really a light94100:57:03.920 --> 00:57:10.400
and dark thing. And that's how I that's how I94200:57:10.599 --> 00:57:12.519
kind of thing. And I but I look at it94300:57:12.559 --> 00:57:18.519
as the world too. Is that you can always be influenced, yes,94400:57:18.559 --> 00:57:22.679
And is that influence? Why where are you being influenced?94500:57:24.000 --> 00:57:24.480
And that's just.94600:57:25.960 --> 00:57:29.920
I just, I mean, honestly, the best, the best teacher94700:57:29.960 --> 00:57:32.639
I've got is my little dog. I've got this little94800:57:32.760 --> 00:57:36.599
terrier and she's I mean, even by terrier standards, she94900:57:36.760 --> 00:57:40.840
ate the brightest bulb on the tree, but she's got95000:57:40.920 --> 00:57:44.519
this worldview where this higher intelligence will take her for95100:57:44.559 --> 00:57:46.519
a walk at ten o'clock in the morning and take95200:57:46.559 --> 00:57:48.119
her for a walk at six o'clock and if she95300:57:48.239 --> 00:57:52.119
acts in certain ways, then she will be rewarded or punished.95400:57:52.159 --> 00:57:56.000
And it's and then I'm here, and try as I might,95500:57:56.119 --> 00:57:59.639
I could never explain to her how the light bulbs work,95600:57:59.760 --> 00:58:03.920
or council taxes or you know, like why I have95700:58:03.960 --> 00:58:06.880
to put fuel in the car. So I'm humble enough95800:58:06.920 --> 00:58:10.280
to have that. But the dog is the happiest animal95900:58:10.360 --> 00:58:12.880
I know, you know, the little zen masters with full96000:58:12.960 --> 00:58:15.880
legs and a waggy tail like, and I just think96100:58:15.960 --> 00:58:18.840
that's I think they've probably got a better grip on96200:58:18.920 --> 00:58:19.960
reality than we do.96300:58:20.119 --> 00:58:20.280
You know.96400:58:21.000 --> 00:58:22.920
Well, it's one of those things like we started our96500:58:22.960 --> 00:58:26.519
conversation even though we didn't do it on air, uh,96600:58:26.559 --> 00:58:30.320
and we kind of brought up the Santa is a Saya. Yeah,96700:58:30.360 --> 00:58:33.920
well the T shirt that's the Christmas Santa. Santa is96800:58:34.119 --> 00:58:40.159
all about teaching children control from the get go. It's96900:58:40.199 --> 00:58:46.559
all about teaching that. I just did a whole episode97000:58:46.599 --> 00:58:53.239
on this, of course. It's but that Santa essentially is97100:58:53.280 --> 00:58:56.360
an external manipulator.97200:58:56.920 --> 00:58:59.639
It's he is a he is big.97300:58:59.480 --> 00:59:05.199
Brother personified that uh uh, you need to behave or97400:59:05.239 --> 00:59:08.800
you're not gonna give You're not gonna get gifts. And97500:59:09.000 --> 00:59:13.280
back in the day before modern time, uh you know,97600:59:13.360 --> 00:59:16.360
you had Crampis and things like this that would literally97700:59:16.480 --> 00:59:18.000
drag your ass into the woods.97800:59:18.360 --> 00:59:19.920
Right, it wasn't but it.97900:59:19.760 --> 00:59:23.159
Wasn't even like it's not like, uh you know, it98000:59:23.199 --> 00:59:26.559
was santa sidekick was Crampis. It's not like Crampus and98100:59:26.719 --> 00:59:32.119
Santa our enemies. They're they're the right hand of the98200:59:32.159 --> 00:59:35.599
same entity. And that's how you kind of have to98300:59:35.599 --> 00:59:38.199
look at these things, is like it's it's a matter98400:59:38.360 --> 00:59:42.400
of control. All I can think about is like, what98500:59:42.440 --> 00:59:45.760
are they calling that the social credit score, social whatever?98600:59:46.119 --> 00:59:48.840
Oh you better behave or else we're taking your money.98700:59:48.840 --> 00:59:51.840
We're gonna take it you. We are taking away your98800:59:51.880 --> 00:59:58.280
participation in society. That's why Santa is a siah, because98900:59:58.320 --> 01:00:00.800
you're taught that from before before you even know what99001:00:00.840 --> 01:00:04.920
God is, before you, before you choose a god, before99101:00:04.960 --> 01:00:08.360
you choose any of these things, you know who freaking99201:00:08.480 --> 01:00:12.199
Santa is and what he represents, right yep.99301:00:12.440 --> 01:00:18.480
So that's Alvian Like if you're good, you get that.99401:00:18.840 --> 01:00:20.960
You know, it's it's as simple as and it works99501:00:21.000 --> 01:00:23.559
because it's put to children in a way that they can.99601:00:23.519 --> 01:00:26.840
Understand and then translates to religion and.99701:00:26.880 --> 01:00:31.119
Faith and whatever you want, however, and what you have99801:00:31.199 --> 01:00:35.719
to do is look at the differences. But anyway, I digress.99901:00:35.840 --> 01:00:36.840
That's a whole other show.100001:00:37.119 --> 01:00:38.880
I love it, so.100101:00:40.400 --> 01:00:43.800
I always hate to have to like cut these things short,100201:00:44.679 --> 01:00:47.800
I know, but I need you to tell people again100301:00:47.880 --> 01:00:49.719
where they can find you.100401:00:50.679 --> 01:00:51.320
Thank you, sir.100501:00:52.039 --> 01:00:55.519
Well, you can find me on YouTube in multiple places.100601:00:55.519 --> 01:01:00.400
So there's toms and and u a p placement, and100701:01:01.440 --> 01:01:05.320
there's the UAP files where which is much better organized.100801:01:05.360 --> 01:01:07.639
And I'm I'm kind of the higher geek where I100901:01:07.719 --> 01:01:11.480
come in and desperately try and talk science with people101001:01:11.480 --> 01:01:13.360
that are more intelligent than me. And then there's the101101:01:13.440 --> 01:01:16.480
Jeff News to Telli podcast, where I speak to firsthand101201:01:16.760 --> 01:01:19.719
usually military witnesses and people that are working in super101301:01:19.760 --> 01:01:23.280
deep tech. And again the general theme is speaking to101401:01:23.320 --> 01:01:26.039
people far more intelligent than myself.101501:01:27.440 --> 01:01:30.199
Always a theme in my podcast as well.101601:01:31.039 --> 01:01:33.840
Good Lauren, Well, I love it, man. I've never had101701:01:33.920 --> 01:01:38.079
more fun in my entire life, and I've given up101801:01:38.280 --> 01:01:42.039
going like why is this happening? And I'm I'm just101901:01:42.079 --> 01:01:44.639
having I'm literally having the time of my life.102001:01:45.000 --> 01:01:45.360
Yeah.102101:01:45.480 --> 01:01:53.840
It's a blast for sure, crazy, absolute insanity. But a man,102201:01:54.079 --> 01:01:56.760
we just opened the door for it. Why like, come102301:01:56.800 --> 01:01:57.239
on in.102401:02:00.760 --> 01:02:02.800
Like we said, reality, you ain't doing too good at102501:02:02.840 --> 01:02:05.800
the moment, so you know the door is open for102601:02:05.880 --> 01:02:07.800
me to believe in something. I mean, I'm kind of102701:02:07.840 --> 01:02:09.760
hoping that there is something keeping an eye on the102801:02:09.760 --> 01:02:12.599
world and I'm about to take the wheel.102901:02:13.239 --> 01:02:16.039
Because the rest of it's like a I like that.103001:02:16.199 --> 01:02:19.519
It's like a brick and a clothes dryer.103101:02:21.239 --> 01:02:22.760
It's like when you get home and you find out103201:02:22.800 --> 01:02:24.800
the kids have found the house paint and they've done103301:02:24.840 --> 01:02:28.239
the carpet, the ceiling. Oh my god, only done on103401:02:28.280 --> 01:02:30.800
this planet.103501:02:31.280 --> 01:02:34.079
Oh man, Tom. It's always a pleasure, sir.103601:02:36.000 --> 01:02:37.679
And you are my favorite people. Man.103701:02:37.719 --> 01:02:40.320
We'll do it again soon, man, Yeah.103801:02:40.159 --> 01:02:40.719
I love it.103901:02:40.800 --> 01:02:44.519
Anytime I can be of use or entertainment or anything104001:02:44.639 --> 01:02:48.719
like that. And I'd love to have you back anytime.104101:02:47.960 --> 01:02:50.119
You're whenever, whenever you're ready.104201:02:50.119 --> 01:02:51.440
Man, amazing.104301:02:52.880 --> 01:02:55.800
All right, brother, we will talk very soon.104401:02:56.719 --> 01:02:59.400
Okay, love it, man, take care, Thank you, everybody.104501:03:02.159 --> 01:03:10.199
Static in the Sky Truth in the Shadows Broadcasting season.104601:03:12.960 --> 01:03:18.559
Tom Vernon, you with Pete with pe. This ain't entertainment,104701:03:20.320 --> 01:03:21.360
This is testimony.104801:03:22.320 --> 01:03:26.199
Nights got cracked, Everything shifted one light blink, not a104901:03:26.280 --> 01:03:27.440
bell's lifted.105001:03:27.719 --> 01:03:29.760
Wasn't looking for, wasn't scripted.105101:03:30.079 --> 01:03:33.280
But once you see it, you're enlisted. They say nothing.105201:03:33.320 --> 01:03:36.480
Boats say weather balloons, but the silence here harder than105301:03:36.480 --> 01:03:40.119
the sonic boat. No sound, no warning, just spacing the room,105401:03:40.519 --> 01:03:44.920
reality bent like it knew me too soon. Hearing's on screens, suits,105501:03:44.920 --> 01:03:46.840
player ten, disclosure talk that.105601:03:46.840 --> 01:03:48.159
Don't go anywhere again.105701:03:48.440 --> 01:03:51.199
They gripped feed truth to the pressure fence. But the105801:03:51.280 --> 01:03:52.360
real stories.105901:03:52.079 --> 01:03:52.920
Lift, not penn.106001:03:53.239 --> 01:03:54.760
This ain't just we with boats.106101:03:54.800 --> 01:03:57.960
The same lights in the sky, the phenomenon watching us106201:03:58.000 --> 01:03:58.800
pass by.106301:03:58.760 --> 01:03:59.559
Say just story.106401:03:59.639 --> 01:04:03.719
So the same fac of pataons, the phenomenon been here way.106501:04:03.519 --> 01:04:07.599
Back when Tom Vernon saw life, never saying one moment106601:04:07.679 --> 01:04:11.159
looking up, next moment changed, not cloud, not flicks, not106701:04:11.320 --> 01:04:14.920
chasing the name, just trooth weighing heavy in the brain.106801:04:15.320 --> 01:04:19.039
You wet the house, voists off the leash, real conversations,106901:04:19.119 --> 01:04:19.880
not dumbed.107001:04:19.679 --> 01:04:20.760
Down speech tipe.107101:04:20.800 --> 01:04:24.559
It begins to talk with it, Philps' break where the.107201:04:24.599 --> 01:04:28.960
Story begets the testimony traded pad of aveiled, same symbols,107301:04:29.000 --> 01:04:33.559
same fear, same thing concealed, different towns, same deal, seal.107401:04:34.760 --> 01:04:36.480
That's when you notice things range just.107501:04:36.639 --> 01:04:39.800
You were foch, the same lights and the skies, the phenomenon,107601:04:40.039 --> 01:04:41.960
Ask yourself while see good.107701:04:41.920 --> 01:04:45.599
Fairy tales, the same folks with pats. The phenomenon still107801:04:45.679 --> 01:04:46.480
happening again.107901:04:46.760 --> 01:04:49.880
They say bigfoot, myths say orps ain't real, But the108001:04:49.960 --> 01:04:51.639
forest's home different when the night.108101:04:51.559 --> 01:04:54.760
Goes still, consciousness tap not still on steal.108201:04:55.159 --> 01:04:56.280
It ain't about craft.108301:04:56.320 --> 01:04:57.440
It's about what you feel.108401:04:57.760 --> 01:05:01.519
Abductions run lines through family tree, same dream, same scar,108501:05:01.679 --> 01:05:04.920
same entities. How your mind's moving through layers. We can't108601:05:04.920 --> 01:05:09.440
see not God's not aligens Somewhere between staying in red,108701:05:09.760 --> 01:05:12.360
you're watching you sleep train the mind, young.108801:05:12.440 --> 01:05:15.360
Condition, belief, control, dressed.108901:05:15.079 --> 01:05:16.039
Up nice and neat.109001:05:16.679 --> 01:05:17.599
Now scale it up.109101:05:17.639 --> 01:05:19.400
That's the deeper reach.109201:05:20.960 --> 01:05:21.960
They don't need to land.109301:05:23.519 --> 01:05:28.920
They already inside the question. If you felt it, you109401:05:29.000 --> 01:05:30.320
already parted up.109501:05:33.960 --> 01:05:39.199
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