March 26, 2026

The Truth About UFOs, Bigfoot, and Hidden Humans Beneath Us| Leslie & Stephen Shaw

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The Truth About UFOs, Bigfoot, and Hidden Humans Beneath Us| Leslie & Stephen Shaw
The Truth About UFOs, Bigfoot, and Hidden Humans Beneath Us| Leslie & Stephen Shaw
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What if UFOs aren’t extraterrestrial… but human? In this episode of Broadcasting Seeds, Bennett sits down with Leslie and Stephen Shaw to explore a theory that flips the entire narrative: 👉 UFOs may come from a breakaway human civilization 👉 Advanced beings could be living beneath the Earth’s surface 👉 Ancient cataclysms may have split humanity into two paths 👉 And modern abductions may be part of a genetic program We dive into: The Younger Dryas extinction event The connection between UFOs and Bigfoot Hybrid programs and DNA evidence Psychic abilities and telepathic communication Government secrecy and hidden agendas This isn’t just a conversation about UFOs… It’s about who we are—and who else might be here with us. Watch to the end and ask yourself one question: What if we’ve been looking in the wrong direction this entire time?

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The way we see it is that our cousins, as

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we call them ceas, is being not necessarily bipolar. But people,

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you know, a version like cousins that we really like

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that like the angry drunk uncle at Yes Thanksgiving, you

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don't we have to tolerate them, but you don't really

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want to be around them.

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A streperous or something.

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Yeah, we're very.

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Upas past.

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In the minds of the Beat. Welcome to another episode

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of the Broadcasting Seeds podcast. I am your host, Benettantan,

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and today we have a return guest, one of my

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first in like actual like guest spots that I ever did,

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Leslie and Steven Shaw. Guys, and they're awesome people. I've

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been on their show twice now and so here we

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are so tell for people that might not know. Tell

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them who you are, what you do, and where they

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can find you.

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We are UFO researchers and experiencers I mean direct, I

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mean up to the fourth and fifth kind. For myself. Okay,

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we've written. We're in our second edition of our book,

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which is called Who They Are and What They're up To.

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Here is the book The forward by a UFO ductee

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and author Karen Wilkinson. Our book will seem to be

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out in the in the Spanish version and also in audio,

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both in English and in Spanish, and it is currently

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almost done in the Czech language too. So we we

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definitely keep open minds and we tend to be skeptical,

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but we also rely a lot on science and things

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that you can touch and feel. We're not we're not

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really rabbit hole people, and we we go off of

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as much science as possible.

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And we do have a podcast. Our podcast is called

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Abductions one oh one, UFOs and the Paranormal Connection, and

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it's on excuse me YouTube at Abductions one oh one.

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Amazing and we will share all the yes, what what

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is the name of that documentary again, it's called Who

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They Are.

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It's currently on seven different platforms. They've added it to Relay.

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Yeah, it's on Roku and plex to be and awesome.

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And who directed that again, it's.

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Directed by Jeremy Nori.

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And Sky Island Storytelling.

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Sky Island Storytelling, I recommend his work. It was very

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good and he watched and it was thank you co

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produced by Jay Horton Films. He's the narrator of it.

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So yeah, we we got We got a lot of

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response right away from it to which is amazing. They

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were surprised themselves about using a short period of time.

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And I know that. I I just remember I couldn't.

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I was having a hard time finding it because I was.

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I sent it to somebody asked about it, and it's

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a it's a U A U f O U a

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p researcher in the in the U K who was

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asking about it. So I I did find it and

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sent it to them, but I just want to have

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it in my notes so I will not lose them again.

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We're kind of you know, small potatoes still, and so

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it's not searchable yet except on to B and PLEX.

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I found it just by.

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Putting in the word alien or UFO I forget actually right, But.

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Most of them, you know, we're going to type in

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who they are?

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You have to type.

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Yeah, gotcha, got you go.

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So we'd appreciate a watch you guys out there in

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broadcasting seeds Land, because absolutely, yeah, we use the hits.

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Yeah, I'll put the I'll put the link in the

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show notes as well. So great, so great. So after

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twenty years of research, if you are it's I don't

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know combined, it's even more than that. Right, So if

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you had to summarize your core thesis, what what is it?

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Core thesis? I guess it really gets down to is

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that we shouldn't be looking up. We should be looking

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down and we should be looking to what science has

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told us. That there was a there was a common

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impact one hundred kilometer diameter combat impact that hits called

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the Younger Driest comet that hit twelve fifty years ago.

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That's been confirmed because of the shock courts and the

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charcoal layers UH in the in the twelve thousand and

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fifty year old soil in ten different countries, eight different

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four different continents. So we know that that a worldwide

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cataclysm occurred because of these scientifically back backs and also

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the twelve hundred different flood myths. We also know that

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the flood, yes, the flood myths.

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And in college and then learning about Steve's experiences, you know,

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we started to put it together that the aliens flying

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UFOs in our skies, we think they're actually of human extractions.

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They're a human extraction.

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They separate.

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We think they separated from us to escape the comment

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and they didn't lose their technology and their knowledge, where

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all of us poor surface most we got thrown back

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into the Stone Age.

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Like any civilization we do. You take your technology and

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your art and everything you know, your best that you

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can that you could save. And the other thing we

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found to our in our research was that these cataclysms

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are quite a bit more frequent than than people than

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we've been led to, you know, to to believe. So

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it's basically, uh, you know, we we we went sub

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surface because it's safer down there, and it's it's more predictable,

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and this is what we're really dealing with. We're dealing with. Yes,

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we were uplifted about three hundred thousand years ago, and

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there's actually more research about that in Harari's book Sapiens, and.

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They're discovering on an Aki Kingdom.

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Yeah, has been discovered in basically East South Africa and Mozambique.

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That's because of the advancements in stars, you know, satellite detection.

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So what we've been saying is that what we are

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basic thesis is that what we're dealing with basically is

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a breakaway branch of humanity that basically needs us still

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for our DNA and for our genetics, but really doesn't

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want to have much to do with us.

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And if aliens are involved at all, we think it's

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most likely more like down a Naki scenario that.

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They needed workers at some point, you know, for the

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gold and other things. You know, we were convenient, you know,

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we were actually we started to actually learn how to

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According to Harari's work in Sapiens, that it was three

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hundred thousand years ago. We always get back to the

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three hundred thousand year ago mark, but it was three

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hundred thousand years ago that Homo sapiens down in South

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Africa first started to actually manage and be able to

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control the use of fire, I mean setting fires and

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controlling driving wildlife and game. And we started actually like

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hunting a big game four one thousand years ago. So

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we were like the perfect the perfect species to uplift

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and give a certain degree of intelligence to because we

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were readily available in that area.

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So the na Letti were there. They're the ones that

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we think for the first with using fire. Everyone was

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surprised at such an ancient species there are from like

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three hundred and fifty thousand years ago.

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Yeah, around the times, same time frame.

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Uh and sure enough, even though they had really sloped

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back foreheads. No, no frontal cortex at all. They were

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able to make fire, they had fire pits and stuff.

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Well, they didn't have a neo cortex, but they do

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have a certain.

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He's the doctor in the family.

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Yeah.

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So what evidence like the most most strongly moved you

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away from the nuts and bolt alien from another planet explanation?

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What I think it was the hair of the alien.

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Well, for you know, that's a good one. But for me,

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it's just you got to look at a mom you know, motive,

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opportunity and means, you know, it's like, what would there

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what would like, say, somebody coming from the area of

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the Pleiads, which is actually an area it's not active planet. Okay,

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remarked tourists, what would their motivation be to just all

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of a sudden to say, we just feel like we

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want to be nice and up with human beings and

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just kind of like, see what you're doing even though

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you're destroying yourselves. I mean, there's there's there's no there's

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no real motivation. But if you have an indigenous terrestrial

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species that is us that are living here, there's all

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the motivation for us. They always keep on saying the

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same things, stop playing around with nudes nukes, and take

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better care of the planet. I think they really see

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as as basically barbarians. And you know, yeah, the Colorados were.

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A theme right across.

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Yeah, yeah, and that that's what they say to everybody.

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It seems you're right, it's uh seems to be a

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message whenever the aliens get a message across to us,

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it's take better care of the planet and stop using nukes.

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You know.

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Yeah, you know, we have we have a hard enough time.

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If you have somebody that has uh has mental issues

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where they're basically very bipolar, they're hard to deal with.

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They're not necessarily you don't really want to deal with

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the person that is bipolar because if you're just like

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normal insane, they make no sense. So, yeah, the way

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we see it is that our cousins, as we call

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them ceas, is being not necessarily bipolar. But people, you know,

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a version like cousins that we really like that like

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the angry drunk uncle at Thanksgiving. You don't have to tolerate them,

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but you don't really want to be around them.

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Are saying we'restreperous or something.

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Yeah, we're very obstreperous.

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On this might be right there, and we're living on

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top of them, so we're like right exactly upstairs everything.

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It's like those people that listen to their music too

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loud and stomp around all the time.

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Right, yeah, so all right.

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One of the questions I've got though, is like multi

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Are there multiple factions of these? I think so humans.

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I think that would make sense prior to the comment,

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we think that mankind was more advanced than we give

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them credit for.

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Oh, of course I find do as well.

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They knew enough about to be able to spot a

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comic coming with enough lead time to.

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Warn everyone around the world that it was coming.

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To see that. That is another example. It's in the Bible,

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and it's in the Maha Baratads, in the Vedas, it's

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in the Chinese text that there was this forewarning and

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fore knowledge of an event that was going to happen

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Ahuramasta with the Zoroastrians, Warren King, Yima, you know, all

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these things, they all point the same thing. It was

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a shared experience that was going to occur. It was

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disaster that we weren't able to avoid stop. So we

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had to do one of three or four things. One

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must go underground, you know, build boats, go to high

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go to high ground, and if.

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We had a space program, a certain number of people

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might have escaped.

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To We had to have advanced astronomy to build the

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spot in because the Bible says that there was forewarning.

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And then after a period of time, the teachers came

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back to re establish humankind on the surface. That's vibe

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with civilization. You know, animal husbandry, a.

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Lot of them end that way. A lot of the

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floodmeths end with. And then a teacher came back to

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the people to give them mathematics, and you know, architecture.

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Across the gall and all kinds of myth, myths, myths

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across the globe.

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So right right when we first started researching it, we

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were along the lines of, oh, they're coming here from

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different maybe different star systems or something. But the more

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research we did, and also reading deeply into sissions work,

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it seems to us more that this is a terrestrial problem.

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And even if the on Aachi exist on their planet

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in Iberu, it's still within our solar system. They're not

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coming here from distant dollar systems. They're uh, So, you

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don't need wormholes, you don't need time travel or inter

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dimensional travel for our theories to work, which I think

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adds and plausibility to them right there. But of the

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Onanaki enslaved humanity, and we think that they still are

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this underground civilization. We don't know how much Onanaki influence

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is still there.

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Insectoids are you know, I think they might be actual

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on Inochi themselves or uh, partly on Anaki. But the

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rest of them, I think are all just what they're

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doing to humanity. They love tampering with us, they love

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genetically engineering us into different types.

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Well, the clincher for me to start moving away from

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the coming from you know, other planets and whatever was

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when they started to really track my family bloodline going

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back at least four generations, as far as the continuity

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of this connection with especially this spirit entity we always

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called the spirit Nite called Oglegley that showed up over

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four different generations in the same shape to multiple different people.

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And finally it was my brother in nineteen eighty two,

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when he was sixteen, he actually saw Oglegley standing in

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his in his bedroom and he wasn't even He's like

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one of these guys who talked calculus for fun. You know,

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he was like with the intelligent okay, and a draftsman

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and all that stuff. But anyway, so he's not necessarily

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going to go down going down rabbit holes anyway, right.

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So anyway, so he had this you know, these these

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these these three incidents that happened to him up in

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the house we were building in the woods in Sonora, California,

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which happens to be Sonora, California, is one of the

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hottest of all the hotspots in the United States for

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alien for UFOs okay, which we didn't know when we

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moved there when we build our house. But anyways, so

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last night he woke up and he he just woke up,

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has happened to look through his doorway and there was

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this six NAFO tall, tall, skinny gray that was just

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standing there looking at him. They looked for like a

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one or two seconds at each other and then he

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blacked out. For me, the entity in nineteen seventy nine

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in January was the same thing, but it was tall, blue,

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white and skinny. For my uncle in nineteen fifth, in

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nineteen forty eight, post World War Two, in Salon which

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is now Sri Lanka, it was a tall black man

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six and a half bet tall, wearing red pez my

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grandmother tall black, same thing. You know, it's it's but

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it's consistent. Oakle likely is actually hundreds.

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Of years in his family, one hundred and fifty. But

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we think thousands of years as a phenomenon. You know,

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I think I think the succubus and incubus phenomena are

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the alien breeding program evidence.

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Yeah, that's what I was just going to say. In

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your in your book, you mentioned a breeding program. Yeah,

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so what is the ultimate objective obviously of that program.

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We'd love to be sure, but to us, it seems

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like an infiltration there, you using, they're creating hybrids in

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order to infiltrate our society, to change us to get

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their goals.

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Their goals are to have.

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Us stop using nukes and take better care of the planet.

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So we think they're trying to do this via you know, uh,

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taking over from the inside out, rather than like a

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conquering scenario.

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You know, in fact, can't you can't drive them out.

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It's the it's the old line from Brave Heart. If

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you can't drive them out, you breed them out.

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Right, right? Yeah, exactly that that is said is a

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true thing. You know. Uh, yeah, a lot of people

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have been saying that in this country, about you know,

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about being out bred and that kind of thing. So

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but anyways, uh, when it when it comes down to it, man,

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I just lost.

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It could be that they're trying, they're working towards an

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eventual reintegration since we think they're human.

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You know.

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The the the thing that I liked was the hair

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of the alien thing was the DNA proof that these creatures,

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these Nordic aliens, the ones with that look like us,

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except their eyes are a little too large and their

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hair is actually clear, unlike any other known hair type

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is amongst humans. It's an unknown, but DNA tests as human,

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a bizarre mix of humans, but still humans.

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It's basque Gaelic and.

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But the part of China closer to a Mongolia, a

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small subset of the population.

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And so that's a weird thing right there. But it's DNA.

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It's science.

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You know.

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Serial killers have been put in jail for their entire

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lives on one hair, and this one is telling us

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that A these creatures are human and b they're mutants.

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And the mutations that we see that they're showing are

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more of what you would expect.

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To see in people who have subsurfaces, have gone underground

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for a period long period of time.

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And we think the Nordics kept the lights on, but

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the ones that turned into the tall Grays didn't keep

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the lights on, and they possibly evolved into you know,

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they had to evolve more than the Nordics had to.

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Or it's possible too that the Grays went underground before

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thousands of years prior to the Younger Dry.

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Because there have been like said, there have been multiple

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different impacts, like the city of Juerka off the coast

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of India that was submerged about fifty thousand years or

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year fifty thousand years ago was the original home of Albishnu.

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I think it was in the in the Vedas the Mahabarta.

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So yeah, we know the ocean levels have drastically changed

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even over the past fifty thousand years.

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I mean yeah, technically though the comment that caused the

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Younger dryas technically we still we still fly through.

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It, which this day, twice a year we do, so

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we still get a meteor shower of particles from that

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the remnants of that of that commet so.

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Well, it was a comment which I think those are

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the ones that it was still fly in from the

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orc cloud.

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Right, this, this is he's right about it. I just

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some research. It was destroyed after it's what was left

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over from the comet that basically blew up.

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Oh, I see you.

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Still have a meteor debris in fact, So from what

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I understand, it's it's not just it wasn't just one event.

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It was multiple events over a couple thousand years. So

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your theory is very plausible. I mean that that you

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have multiple times where people could have gone underground, and

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the thing.

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Is too Yeah, if if they knew that it wasn't

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going to be this one impact, there would be no

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reason to come back to the surface to try and

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re establish themselves, you know, until that the whole phase

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was over with. I mean, if you knew that another

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one hundred or another ten years you're going to get

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hit again.

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And the climate was so bad from the impact that

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you know it turned it flung us right back into

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an ice age and the northern hemisphere, in the northern Hemisphere,

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and and you know, you wouldn't have been able to

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grow crops. You know, humanity ended up going back to

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being hunter gatherers living in caves again, and I'm getting

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essentially thrown back so far I had to start over again.

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You know. The whole thing my meteor shower is interesting

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because when we were doing our book to a couple

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of years ago, we're up in like tours like Mount

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Shasta area. We went and I found I was able

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to search down some at a at a like a

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groage sale type of thing. Some of these these old

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UFO books, and one of these old UFO books actually

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had a lot of good information and pictures of these

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actual meteor showers that we used to witness. Mean, they

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were talking about one hundred hundred and twenty years ago.

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These were actual real showers, not like we have to

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day we see two or three whatever every minute. These

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were literally hundreds a minute, if not owls, legitimate showers.

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These you know, the oneads what are they're called, you know,

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the different showers that go through they were they were impressive.

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Yeah, for sure. Do you think they're having reproductive issues?

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And that could absolutely be. I mean, we're we're definitely

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as human humans down the surface are having reproductive issues

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as well, So yeah, that could.

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Be part of the reason they're they're stealing our DNA,

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they could becoming be becoming less viable as a population themselves.

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It could be also for their projects. We think they

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they have these bizarre projects. We think, for instance, that

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they're breeding bigfoots. Now that you know Sasquatch genome project

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has proven to my satisfaction that bigfoot is at least

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half human. Right now, we're talking that this creature is

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not just an animal that is eluded our you know,

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are catching it. Ever's just that they're working with this

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sub surface population.

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I think they're using the miss sentries or yah.

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We talked about that on the last episode that we did. Yeah.

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So yeah, and just so you know, there's in in

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the end in the works ongoing. There's also a dog

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man genome project going on, right, did.

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Not know that?

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Excellent?

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You know, if you can breed bigfoots, why not red

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dog foot, why not have extrasensory sniffing powers, you know

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in your big footy like creature.

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You know.

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So also, you guys suggest governments are in league with them,

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So yeah, what kind of league are we talking about? Cooperation?

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Coersion trade? Like what what do you guess.

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Think that recent documentary said it so well, you know,

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the legacy program. Oh yeah, everyone should watch that Age

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of Discovery or disclosure, Age of Disclosure documentary. It talks

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about the Legacy program.

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Yeah, we we We talk about it in our book too.

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The first the first chapter is a little bit of

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a history of it, and you know how Project Gluba

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came about, how they they decided to keep it under wraps,

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and how they they had the men in black go

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to you know, discredit people and threaten people into silence

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and stuff. And we think it's because you know, we

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want their technology. Our government wants their technology, and they

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want to stay hidden because why they're praying on us

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for you know, stealing.

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Their agenda is different. They like say, they don't really

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want to deal with a bunch of bipolar, u crazy people.

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Yeah, neighbors upstairs.

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They didn't see. They didn't lose. They didn't lose their

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ability to be telepathic. I mean telepsy is you know,

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tell ups is very very effective, especially if the messages

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are fairly simple. You know, you don't you know, you

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need actually like written language to get more more specific

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and more technical. That's why you can't build the pyramids

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without like, let's say, a blueprint. So you have to

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have a working force that actually understands how to read

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a blueprint.

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We think that's why they our speech centers.

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You know.

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Yeah. The thing that I always like to try and

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get across the people is that telepathy is the most

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basic form of communication. It is, like number one, we've

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just it is agrophied in US because we've we've gone

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towards you know, first we went to pictographic and then

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we went to sign language and you know, grunting, and

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then you know, we basically went to symbolic language instead

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just using what we actually have. We do have the

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ability to have telepsy, just like we can bioluminous human

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beings can biolumins It's a late, it's a like it's

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like the uh, the appendix, you know, or our ability

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to have true telepathy is very much interrupted in modern man.

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But it's it's I think it's very very common. That's

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why the Grays don't have to speak ten thousand different languages.

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They get across the message by by directly by telepathy,

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you know, Like they don't have to like learn ten

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thousands of ways how to say the word tree, you know,

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or I or me or whatever. They just basically they

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send you the picture and it's all done by chemicals.

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Everything is a chemical reaction. Every single memory is a

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chemical reaction. So that's all it is. It's basically just

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creating a chemical pathway, and you just basically lay it

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down via telepathy. But it's the most basic form.

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When we studied with the Gnostics, we were doing chakra

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opening and chanting and meditation work, and slowly but surely

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we became more telepathic. And that's when I realized telepathy

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is a human birthright, but it's something that you actually

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have to work at. And we think it if your

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society as a starts teaching it to their children, say

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in the beginning, they would have they would have all

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be a society of telepaths able to think to one another.

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Yeah. I firmly believe that we have all kinds of well,

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this is what epigenetics is, right, We have all kinds

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of latent genetic things that are already coded into us.

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They just have to be turned on.

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00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:38.319
I think that's what the reptroloids are. Reploids are still

471
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:41.200
the same skeletal structure as us. It's just like they're

472
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:44.160
they may be turning on some.

473
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:48.920
It' all bipedal, you know, two arms two legs. You know.

474
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:50.880
It's it's the funny thing, you know. People we talk

475
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:53.839
about neurons in the in the human brain, and you

476
00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:55.680
know all this kind of stuff. You know, we have actually

477
00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:59.039
ten times almost ten times more glial cells than we

478
00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:02.680
do have neurons. And glial cells are just basically neurons

479
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:05.880
that haven't been properly formatted or haven't been turned on.

480
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:09.440
So when the body starts running out of neurons, if

481
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:11.839
you have the ability, you can start turning on the

482
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:15.200
glial cells to replace the damaged neurons. So we have

483
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:19.319
all this backup. We have these backup systems, backup, backup, backup, backup.

484
00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:21.759
That explains why I'm not dead, you know.

485
00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:24.920
So, yeah, neurons are like, it's only like ten percent

486
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:27.039
of like the cells, you know, the ones that can

487
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:29.359
actually lay down memories. We got the glial cells as

488
00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:29.880
our backup.

489
00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:37.440
Awesome, So switching gears just to touch Stephen coming from

490
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:42.160
a psychic family, Yeah, do you see a connection between

491
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:46.079
psychic sensitivity and and abduction experiences?

492
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:52.440
Yeah, there's there's no question. There's no question that I

493
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:57.559
think what we've seen, at least what I've seen in

494
00:27:57.720 --> 00:27:59.759
my family, we're all we're all kind of maybe some

495
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.119
people think are a little bit nuts, Okay, not my dad.

496
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:06.279
My dad was very My dad was basically my dad

497
00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:09.799
was half Scottish, half English. I'm Scottish English Irish.

498
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:11.000
They were definitely a psychic.

499
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:13.400
But in fact, I just did my twenty three and

500
00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:15.839
me stuff and I found out the distribution of my

501
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:18.640
of my ancestry and most recently is English and then

502
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:23.759
big part Scottish, big part Irish, Icelandic goes down to Welsh,

503
00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:25.960
and you know it's it's like, you know, I've got

504
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.920
like all this Northern European stuff, right. But as far

505
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:31.519
as like being able to communicate, I think one of

506
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:35.640
the criteria is that they it's easier to communicate with

507
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:40.440
people that are somewhat or fairly psychic. All the women

508
00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:44.519
on my mom's side were automatic writers, okay, all very sensitive.

509
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.880
We always see we've always seen the world differently than

510
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:52.160
other people. Okay. You know, we're definitely more into nature,

511
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:57.200
you know, more into the musics and the arts. Definitely

512
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:01.960
have problems sleeping, have interactions with our cousins, which we

513
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:04.279
thought was just a family spirit guide until we did

514
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:04.920
our research.

515
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:07.240
So he did martial arts when he was young, and

516
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:08.000
I believe.

517
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:11.640
Most of my life, I think taichi being like a

518
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.400
moving meditation opens to the chakras too, and so he was.

519
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:17.359
Being really opened at this time.

520
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:20.359
I was a very very good teacher and I studied

521
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:22.839
the monkey Kung Ku with Polly zinc for in the

522
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:27.440
classes for seven years, and I was it was you know, music,

523
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:30.799
martial arts, and medicine. The three m's were the things

524
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.160
that I gravitated towards. That's why I became an actupuncturist

525
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:38.240
because I had a natural proclivity to being sensitive and

526
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:40.480
can be able to know where the points are, being

527
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:44.519
really good at my technique, my technique. And I was

528
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:47.240
a cabinet maker too for many years, and I was

529
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:51.400
almost a professional athlete. Was that good, especially with running

530
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:54.039
and handball and things like that. So my body. My

531
00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:58.200
military career for six years, so I've I've been around,

532
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:01.720
you know, I was cave explorer, so I've done these things,

533
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:03.920
and I think that this kind of it's what I

534
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:06.599
gravitated towards. I never felt like I wanted to have

535
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:09.480
a nine to five job sitting at a desk. It

536
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:12.640
never interested me, you know, I just couldn't. I just

537
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.079
couldn't do that. You know, I had to be moving,

538
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:16.319
I had to be doing some I had to do

539
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.640
something creative. I just I just don't fit into like

540
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:23.319
today's world. I still feeling a lot of that today.

541
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:25.160
You know, I still real.

542
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:27.279
Sorry.

543
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:30.119
I said, aren't you a musician as well?

544
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.119
I've been. Oh yeah, I'm I'm a professional accordionist. I'm

545
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:37.799
semi professional pianist. I played. I played very good clarinet

546
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:42.279
throughout school and the saxophone. I've been in groups that

547
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:44.599
was a decent guitarist at a time when I was

548
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:45.240
in practice.

549
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:46.319
And he's a composer.

550
00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:49.160
I'm composed music. Yeah, I mean, these these are things

551
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:51.359
that you know, and I'm I'm I'm an ascro traveler.

552
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:54.200
I mean I do that. Sometimes I don't want to

553
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:56.480
do it, and sometimes, you know, I wake up, I

554
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:58.839
wake up about my body and you know, Carl will

555
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:01.599
come crashing through the the bedroom like you did about

556
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:04.079
a year ago. I was just hanging out above my

557
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:06.400
body in the bedroom and there's just like a car

558
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:10.720
came crashing through, literally like a car crashed through the wall.

559
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:13.160
And I thought, you know, oh my god, somebody just

560
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:15.799
drove their car right to our house, and it was

561
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:19.000
just that, just that loud, and it was just but

562
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:20.680
it was in the astral realm when we.

563
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:23.640
Opened that all this stuff up with the doing the

564
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:28.000
gnostic work. For me, it just went away. After I

565
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:30.119
stopped doing the work, it sort of closed up. But

566
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:31.599
it never did close up for him.

567
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:33.640
No, I've had it my whole life, that's why.

568
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.920
And I have this theory that the Aliens utilized the

569
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:42.440
aspel realm to communicate with their abductees as well, and

570
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:46.720
also maybe to keep tabs on them to a certain extent.

571
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:50.839
And one of the star seeds that we interviewed on

572
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:54.400
our podcast told me that, oh, yes, they sometimes just

573
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:58.079
take your astral body. They don't always have to take

574
00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:00.200
the physical body. If they just want to make say,

575
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:03.839
maybe give you a message or or i don't know,

576
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:06.839
check something on your astral body or whatever it is.

577
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:07.759
You know. Liked.

578
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:10.799
Yeah, we think that happens to Stephen a lot, where

579
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:15.640
they maybe aren't taking him physically, but they're definitely influencing

580
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:16.799
him in the astral realms.

581
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.519
This most recent time, it wasn't it wasn't physical, but

582
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:21.759
you know, I'm not sure about the time before that.

583
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:26.440
So yeah, yeah, so we we were talking before we

584
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:30.640
started the interview about the waxing give us or is

585
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:35.000
it waning waxing? So the waxing give us seems to

586
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:39.200
be in a active time for you.

587
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:42.480
Yeah, it is, and so you've been.

588
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:45.319
Tracking this for a while, So what what do you

589
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:46.160
think that is?

590
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:51.279
Well, the waxing gibbus. You know, I I I was

591
00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:53.319
lazy for a long time. I should have been writing down.

592
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:55.119
I should have been kept it, keeping a journal. And

593
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:58.400
these really weird things happened, or these unusual well they're

594
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:00.799
normal for me, but they're can to be weird for

595
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:04.200
most people. Right on December, the one which would have

596
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:08.480
been my brother's uh uh birthday birthday, yeah.

597
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:11.079
And also at the anniversary of his murder suicide of

598
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:11.720
his mother.

599
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:14.200
Right, so that was the year that my dad died,

600
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:16.240
and it was like two and almost three months they

601
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:21.279
all died off further suicide and cancer, twenty seventeen family

602
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.799
December first, it happens to me that was the wax

603
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:26.480
and gibbet and I was not even thinking about my

604
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:28.279
brother's birthday. I woke up at three o'clock in the

605
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:32.079
morning and well I was I wasn't awake, but it

606
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:33.839
just happened a three o'clock in the morning. I was

607
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:37.519
in the astral realm and with some people just hanging

608
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:39.200
out like in a in a in a room with

609
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:42.240
some people this milling about, and these two big guys.

610
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:44.640
One guy was about the size of my brother, maybe

611
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.119
a little bit bigger, and and they they had two

612
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:50.960
white guys right and kind of balding, which is interesting.

613
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:53.920
And uh they one of the big guy pushed me

614
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:56.799
up against the wall by the neck and by the

615
00:33:56.839 --> 00:34:00.920
by the gut, and my body you just went just

616
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.079
like like a wave went over me where I just

617
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:07.200
basically was neutralized. And then he opened my mouth and

618
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.280
they started looking at my mouth and checking me out

619
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:12.559
and like you know, doing an exam on me. And

620
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:14.679
I was like really nervous, but what can I do?

621
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.079
I'm neutralized, right, And the other guy who just washed

622
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:17.400
me then.

623
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:19.199
They let me go be paralyzed.

624
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.079
Well, I was paralyzed. I was paralyzed, right. I wasn't

625
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:24.599
like you know, I wasn't like, you know, like stiff.

626
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:27.679
I was just like you know, limp yeh know, Okay.

627
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:29.639
It was different than being paralyzed. We're like, you know,

628
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:33.079
thinking about being stiff. No, it wasn't, so then you know,

629
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:35.159
let me go. And I went about, like, you know,

630
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:38.679
not thinking like what the heck happened? But I was thinking, Okay,

631
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:41.280
I went back to like trying to mingle with some people,

632
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:43.519
and then they came back again and did the same

633
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:46.559
thing and did another exam on me. And I started

634
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:48.800
talking to the small guy that you know, what's your name?

635
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:51.920
You know, what do you guys want? And you know,

636
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:54.360
I wish I could remember the conversation, but it's pretty

637
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:56.320
hard to bring that stuff back. Every once in a while.

638
00:34:56.360 --> 00:35:00.599
I can bring back pieces, but like what happened last night,

639
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:02.800
I can bring back two nights ago. I can bring

640
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:05.400
back pieces of things that happened. But I can bring

641
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:08.960
back names sometimes too. When I went to India and

642
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:11.960
studied the master at this school, I can bring back

643
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:14.840
names of people like something something as are as Thustra.

644
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:19.079
I can bring back pieces of it. But it's like,

645
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:22.320
you know, for me, this like it didn't like I

646
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:23.840
didn't wake up like thinking I need to go to

647
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:26.119
the hospital. I'm going and saying I just told Leslie

648
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:28.880
about it in the morning, and it's like, okay, this

649
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:31.760
is just some other things that happened, and it's it's fine.

650
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:34.079
I'm finding out that as I start to track these

651
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:38.079
events that happen, they seem to happen during the waxing

652
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:40.639
GIBBIS phase, and it must be something to do where

653
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:44.400
it's either easier for me to astro project or it's

654
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:48.000
easier for them to contact me and my astral projecting.

655
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:51.679
It's it seems to be cyclical. And as I'm starting

656
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:54.639
to track it, the last three or four things, they

657
00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:57.199
always are happening during the waxing GIBBIS, which makes me

658
00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:59.760
think that all the other things that have happening have

659
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:01.920
been probably during wax and gibbus for me.

660
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:09.360
Yeah, yeah, that's really interesting. I'm just trying to think why,

661
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:13.079
you know, but obviously you know, maybe it's not for

662
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:13.760
us to ever know.

663
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:17.760
But well, they take we know what they do.

664
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:23.079
They take DNA, They steal sperm from men, eggs from women,

665
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:28.920
and take blood, and they're breeding bigfoots, we think with

666
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:30.960
stolen DNA.

667
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:35.320
Probably a bunch of other things too, and hybrid aliens

668
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:35.800
one of.

669
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:37.960
The things that happened about not but it wasn't too

670
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:40.599
long after we wrote the book and finally got it published.

671
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:43.199
It was maybe four to six months after we did

672
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:46.320
the first edition of the book, I was in my

673
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:49.639
bed in the bedroom and literally I was taken from

674
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:53.320
the bedroom and I was put onto a table and

675
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:57.920
on like a spaceship or someplace, my favorite one, and

676
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:00.719
I could see all these these free around me, like

677
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:04.880
maybe three screens, and there were these tall, skinny doctor

678
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:09.639
type people and they were examining my brain on these

679
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:12.199
screens and they were saying themselves, I remember specifically, said

680
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:14.079
you know, this guy knows a bit too much. So

681
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:16.360
they started zapping my brain and I can feel the

682
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:22.039
zaps in my head. I could literally feel the They're

683
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:24.599
basically like trying to take out certain memories or certain

684
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:27.639
things or maybe modifying me in some way. But like

685
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:30.480
I say, again, like I say, for me, it's not

686
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:33.480
that big of a deal, you know, because it's like

687
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.119
sometimes it's scary than in others. There just one funny

688
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:40.559
one that happened not long ago where I was, I

689
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:43.599
was awake, I wasn't asleep yet. I was againting in

690
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:46.400
the bed and just relaxing on my back, and then

691
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:52.760
behind me on the wall was shave and a haircut.

692
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:57.480
Two bits. For normally for me, it's usually yeah, it's

693
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.679
usually it's always three, but for this time, it was

694
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:04.000
like and there was there was no on there's nothing

695
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:06.199
like that. I said, I said, that was really funny,

696
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:07.880
you know it was. It was. It was as plain

697
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:11.400
as day. And then there's that there's been that entity. Uh,

698
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:14.239
this female entity that has been kind of hasn't been

699
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.239
the last couple of months, but it was messing with

700
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:18.559
me for a while. That was the one that got

701
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:19.400
into bed with.

702
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:22.559
Me, you know that, and said husband.

703
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:24.360
Yeah, And the first thing in the morning, you know,

704
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:26.280
I knew it was still there. I knew she was

705
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:28.079
still there, or the entity was still there, and it

706
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:30.239
just set into my ear, not in my head, which

707
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:33.119
is different, set into my ear as I was spend

708
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:36.599
like in a slightly Asian voice. But and then a

709
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:38.679
couple of times she was down by my feet.

710
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:40.159
Trying to steal my man.

711
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:44.719
Actually had me a conversation with me and yes, in

712
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:49.840
the room, conversation in English, you know, he was It's

713
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.119
it's like I say, it's for me. For me, it's

714
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:54.960
I just rolled with the punches.

715
00:38:55.079 --> 00:39:00.440
Honestly, It's like he's a thousand times for me.

716
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:02.000
It's like when I tell people that, you know, it's

717
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:03.719
like if they've never had the experience. It would be

718
00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:06.519
like they had a similar experience state. They would say,

719
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:08.519
it'd be like Mike Tyson punching in the face the

720
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:10.760
first time they would really feel it. It would really

721
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.519
affect them. For me, it doesn't really affect me that much.

722
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.360
I'm this what I'm trying to do now. I'm trying

723
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:20.000
to actually try and get more information when these things happen.

724
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.000
I'm trying to stay as as calm as focused and

725
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:25.880
trying to remember when I get up. Okay, if I'm smart,

726
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:28.599
I just kept my little recorder by me and I

727
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.559
just basically record before I completely come out of that state,

728
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:34.360
so I get as much information down as possible, right,

729
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.960
you know, But there is It's just it's another form

730
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:41.000
of frequency. All the stuff this happens like in about

731
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:44.320
the delta wave state about four cycles per second, you know,

732
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:46.360
in the brain wave cycle. So this is a different

733
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:51.159
form of communication that exists, and it's measurable and it's real. Okay,

734
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:54.199
And I just happen to have done it more than

735
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:56.039
more than a lot of people.

736
00:39:56.679 --> 00:40:01.960
Right. Do you think the phenomena and is more technical

737
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:05.920
technological because there's a lot of technology involved. It seems

738
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:09.480
like or is it more consciousness based?

739
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:10.760
Wow?

740
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:13.880
That's that it seems to be almost equal parts to

741
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:18.239
me there because because you think about like what you

742
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:19.920
know where we started.

743
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.760
This whole conversation. Well we've had this conversation multiple times,

744
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:25.840
but there always seems to be like yeah, like it's

745
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:31.719
part technological, but it's also part I guess you could

746
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:36.719
say like spiritual or or or more not spiritual, but yeah,

747
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:40.840
like frequency or or consciousness based, right, right.

748
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:46.039
Yeah, they wanted very spiritual.

749
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:48.760
Right, but well actually you know, like for instance, like

750
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:50.880
you know now of course you know we we're we're

751
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:53.920
getting we're we're advancing almost too fast for our own good. Right,

752
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:57.599
you know, certain similar things we can measure what are

753
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:00.920
called the chakras, how they which which frequency they vibrate at.

754
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:03.079
You know, the it's around three hundred and sixty I

755
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:05.280
think for the for the root chakra, and around about

756
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:08.920
nine hundred for the for the crown chakra, the seven chakra,

757
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:13.119
So they all vibrate about one hundred, one hundred, one

758
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:15.159
hundred not one hundred wave links. What does the turn

759
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:18.840
of one hundred hurts differently from each other? So there

760
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:21.440
are there will be built devices now where if you

761
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:24.639
want to vibrate certain chakras, you can actually do it

762
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:28.679
using technology to help you to built like e.

763
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:30.280
Get a machine.

764
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:34.320
Yeah, if you want to vibrate that, the ground choppers,

765
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:39.360
so it's it's different hurts, so you can actually enhance that.

766
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:43.440
So yeah, it makes sense that you know technology and

767
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:45.639
and what would also be part of the factor.

768
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:50.320
But their technological side is that they're about twelve thousand

769
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:55.000
years ahead of us with their technology ahead of ours.

770
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:59.800
We know that they're ships. Lazare you know testimony about

771
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:05.000
their ships that they create gravity bubbles. There's a gravity

772
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:08.760
emitter that one that points down that gives the ship lift,

773
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:12.440
and then two gravity emitters pointing forward, and he says

774
00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:15.079
it creates like a gravity bubble that the ship sort

775
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:18.280
of slides into and that's how they can take off

776
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:22.400
at these ludicrous speeds. You know, it has seventy thousand

777
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:26.280
miles an hour without making a sonic boom. And how

778
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:28.760
they can fly in and out of our ocean without

779
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:33.119
it making it affecting you know, their flight in any way,

780
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:34.679
it's because of the bubble around.

781
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.400
Less r for sure said, also, do there's a there's

782
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:40.000
a psychic component to actually flying the ships.

783
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:42.440
Yeah, there may be something where you have to actually

784
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:47.079
be an advanced being. You might have to have a

785
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:49.800
high enough consciousness to be able to control the ships,

786
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.360
which is why we can't reverse engineering.

787
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:54.400
Or to have not lost the ability. You know, that's

788
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:57.199
the thing. If you went subsurface, you know, it would

789
00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:59.960
change your diet, everything would have to change your whole

790
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.559
way of living. And within a couple of generations, the

791
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:05.840
people that grew subsurface would actually a little kind of

792
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:08.559
maybe be a little bit afraid of the surface because

793
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:12.000
you know, they their their life is is subterranean.

794
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:12.840
Folks to a man.

795
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.320
So yeah, it doesn't think. The one thing that we

796
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:19.320
can say about human beings we adapt, we adapt, change,

797
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:20.039
we can't.

798
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:22.360
We're clever little apes, I.

799
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:27.159
Say, they are clever little apes. The one of the

800
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.199
things that just kind of clicked is that maybe the

801
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:37.400
technology part just enhances the already the abilities that are

802
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:41.440
already there, you know, or vice versa. Maybe I don't know,

803
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:42.360
it's you know.

804
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:46.719
It might have machines that increase your consciousness.

805
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:48.960
Or something like that, or or they amplify things, or

806
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:51.920
you know, could be anything.

807
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:59.079
Pyramids may actually be consciousness raising devices inside the Great pyramid.

808
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:03.519
There's this cofacus and in this tiny little room, and

809
00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:08.679
it's covered with mono atomic earth elements inside the sarcophagus

810
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:12.360
around it at the base and mono atomic earth elements

811
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:15.480
are generated on the skin of human beings when we're

812
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:21.599
in these advanced states of highly raised consciousness. And the

813
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:24.960
where the head goes on the sarcophagus is right at

814
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:29.159
the apex, underneath the apex of the pyramid. So I

815
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:31.840
was wondering if maybe you just lay in the sarcophagus

816
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:34.119
for two straight days or something like that, and you

817
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:38.519
just come out with your your shots wide open.

818
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:42.039
And uh, if you if you are ready for if

819
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:43.679
you have been trained for, if you went in there

820
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:45.920
as a regular person that watches eight hours of TV

821
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:49.599
a day, you'd come out insane, probably so because you

822
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.199
just wouldn't be ready. We wouldn't be ready for that

823
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:55.199
type of amping up of your brain and your being.

824
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:58.239
It really isn't amping up. There's a great book called

825
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:02.360
Autobiography of a Yoga by Para Mahausea Yogananda, and he

826
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:05.480
said that you know that's the two billion watts of

827
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:08.719
light that the body can hold and then in a

828
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:11.800
being that is ready for it, said the regular person

829
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:15.239
cannot hold that says that you have to be you

830
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:18.719
have to eat right, think right, do right. You have

831
00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:21.320
to be ready for it. You cannot just just like

832
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:24.039
you know, trying to train, train for the for the Olympics.

833
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:26.400
You know, you just you just can't do it. Just say,

834
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:28.320
I'm just going to just run in one hundred meters,

835
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:31.519
you know, and not trained for it. Yeah, you'll pull something,

836
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:35.320
you'll probably break an ankle, you'll have a hearty. Yes,

837
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:37.960
it's the same concept. You have to be ready for it.

838
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:44.519
So after all your research, what belief do did you

839
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:49.400
guys have early on that you now reject? Is there anything?

840
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:54.559
Oh? Yeah, they We knew that there was an extinction

841
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:57.960
level event thirteen thousand years ago, and we knew it

842
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:02.079
was a celestial impact of some kind because there was

843
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:05.840
the high quantity of nanodiamonds found a nano diamonds form

844
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:09.800
and celestial impact. So we thought and then right as

845
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:12.599
you know, we're coming up with our theories.

846
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:18.679
Uh, the young the Hiawatha asteroid impact crater was discovered

847
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:23.119
in Greenland, and we thought it was the cause of

848
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:25.440
the Younger dry ass because it's in the right place

849
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:29.159
it's an excellent candidate. But it turns out that one

850
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:32.679
was forty some odd million years ago, and since then,

851
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:35.119
the younger dry ass has been discovered. So we we

852
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:39.159
our first edition was wrong, and so we've changed that

853
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:40.400
in our second edition.

854
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:43.280
Sorry, sorry, I think your question was, wasn't it that

855
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:47.760
what previous concepts did we have before we wrote a book?

856
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:49.159
Was that the question?

857
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:52.239
Yeah? Maybe, or it's just like, what beliefs you know,

858
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:56.360
did you have early on that now you found out

859
00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:58.639
are wrong and that you've rejelted.

860
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:01.440
Okay, Well, for me, I would answer that where I

861
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:03.679
just thought we were dealing I was dealing with like

862
00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:07.000
a family spirit guide that was kind of unique, you know,

863
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.840
to you know, to our family, and I wasn't thinking

864
00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:15.639
at all from the standpoint of them possibly being you know, aliens,

865
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:17.440
which was the first thing I thought. And then with

866
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:20.440
our research then we said no, no, they're they're they're

867
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:22.199
a breakaway branch of humanity. Yeah.

868
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:26.440
We we we compared notes with other family members and.

869
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:30.400
Realized, you know, Philip saw it as a tall.

870
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:34.079
Gray alien in the room one time, and that that's

871
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:36.800
finally answered who the who that they were dealing with,

872
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:37.239
you know.

873
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:40.239
Yeah, it's you know, there there are a lot of

874
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:42.119
things that made more sense to me too, Like I

875
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:45.519
I've never, I've almost never in my life gravitated towards

876
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:48.719
big groups of people, you know, being in clicks and

877
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:50.559
that kind of stuff, except maybe when I was an

878
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:53.239
acupuncture college. You know, I had a lot of friends

879
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:56.480
and all that. But I've always been kind of like closed.

880
00:47:56.719 --> 00:47:58.880
I don't I'm not a clique type person, you know.

881
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:02.039
I just you know, I'm very much in my head,

882
00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:04.960
but I see things I think differently than other people.

883
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:08.440
It's like I have this this inner guide that tells

884
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:10.880
me and I when I make my mistakes. Is when

885
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:13.280
I don't listen to my inner guide and believe me,

886
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:16.599
I've made a lot of mistakes. You know. It's just like,

887
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:19.039
you know, I have to really trust my inner guide.

888
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:22.440
When I trust my inner guide, I do better. You know,

889
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:26.039
there's something that you that is true about instinct, you know,

890
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:28.199
but it's got to be like a real instinct, not

891
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:32.719
just a knee jerk response. That's different. Impulse is different

892
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:35.400
than true instinct, and true instinct is like when you

893
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:39.000
settle down for me and listen and calm down and

894
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:41.840
just you know, look at it from the logic as

895
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:44.199
well as the emotional basis, But look at it from

896
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:48.800
both standpoints and don't be impulsive. That's where I grew

897
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:51.880
up and also to I have a bit of pride,

898
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:54.599
you know, to being a leoh, and this is the

899
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:56.360
one of the seven deadly sins. And that's one of

900
00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:59.960
the big things that really trips me up is hubrious.

901
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:03.079
You know, I gotta really be careful with that.

902
00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:04.840
It comes before the fall I love.

903
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:08.760
Yeah, it's a big thing that people have to deal with.

904
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:15.480
His pride, Yeah, humility for sure. So has your guys'

905
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:19.599
world do you shifted toward hope or caution?

906
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:22.599
Caution?

907
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:26.119
Yeah? Me too. I'm a little worried about what they're.

908
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:30.079
Doing, you know, like now because weird stuff has happened.

909
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:33.159
I mean, I feel like things have accelerated a little bit,

910
00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:35.280
and you know.

911
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:37.440
Oh, you know that brings it up. I was going

912
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:41.159
to talk about UFOs a little bit in the book,

913
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:42.760
you know, I talked about how I saw my first

914
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:44.960
UFO when I thought I was about like twelve or

915
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:49.159
thirteen whatever, and I did some further research into it

916
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:51.880
because one of my friends I went to junior high

917
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:54.440
in high school with Paul Solomon, We're going to have

918
00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:57.079
on our show one of these days. He said, well,

919
00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:01.159
weren't you at school like in nineteen about March of

920
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:03.920
nineteen seventy four, on the Pe Field, there was this

921
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:07.119
black ufo, a boomerang shape ufo, about one o'clock in

922
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:11.079
the afternoon that circled Pe Field for about forty minutes.

923
00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:14.960
All the pe teachers came out, mister Porter and mister Mikey,

924
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:16.960
mister Burke, and they got their cameras and they took

925
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:20.159
pictures of this black ufo that basically was there about

926
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:21.920
forty minutes, and then it basically went up in the

927
00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:24.199
air and disappeared. I said, no, I must have been

928
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:26.360
out of school for that week or something like that.

929
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:29.079
And so then I started doing some further research, and

930
00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:32.320
I remembered that there was this UFO siding in Tarzana,

931
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:35.320
which was the one city over from us, that had

932
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:39.920
happened during a drive in theater event like in nineteen

933
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:42.159
seventy four, and I asked Paul about that. He didn't

934
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.639
remember that. So I looked deeper and this orange UFO

935
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:48.719
that I saw was the same thing that was being

936
00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:52.039
seen at the Tarzana movie theater. A lot of people

937
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:56.760
in the valley were reporting this reddish orange globe that

938
00:50:56.920 --> 00:51:00.000
was hovering and then darting around. And then it turned

939
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:03.360
turns out we did some further digging from nineteen seventy

940
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:06.559
four to nineteen seventy seven, there were numerous reports of

941
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:09.079
the same kind of thing happening in San Diego at

942
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.239
a movie theater, and where we live here in Sky Valley,

943
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:16.239
in Palm Springs, Palm Desert, this whole area from like

944
00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:20.559
nineteen seventy four to nineteen seventy seven had all these

945
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:27.239
observations by credible people, airline pilots, police officers, regular Joe's

946
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:30.239
and this is the same thing. I thought, well, this

947
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:32.199
was a unique thing that I saw, but apparently this

948
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:35.679
was this was Again it backs up that I wasn't

949
00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:39.119
just like seeing something that I just misidentified. This is

950
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:42.480
something at the same time when I was thirteen. As

951
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:45.320
it turns out, that's what I saw nine thirty at

952
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:46.159
nine o'clock at night.

953
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:49.519
Well, Stephen lived close by to the Rocca dye plant,

954
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:54.559
and we think they're interested in all things military space program,

955
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:58.440
anything to do with our rockets. So I think that

956
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:01.800
is one of the reasons maybe that it was going No,

957
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:05.679
because it was. He saw it heading from south to north,

958
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:09.599
and the Rocket Eye plant was just to the north

959
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:11.440
of them by a few blocks.

960
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:12.880
And the and the junior High school where I went

961
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:15.679
to was less than it was about a mile away

962
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:18.400
from where I lived. And the weird thing is like,

963
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:23.159
why would a UFO again soundless, you know, no means

964
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:27.480
of propulsion. Why would it be hurrying over pe Field

965
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:32.920
during the daytime one pm of March twenty third of

966
00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:34.119
nineteen seventy four.

967
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:38.960
I've read three accounts of UFOs landing next to schools

968
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:42.119
and communicating with the children.

969
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:44.760
There's the Zimbabwe one that's one of them.

970
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:46.880
And then there was one in England, and then there

971
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:52.239
was one here I can't remember where now I think Oklahoma.

972
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:53.880
I'm gonna have to double check it.

973
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:57.760
But it's the third one I've heard of where they

974
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:01.760
seem to be approaching school children and trying to influence

975
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:05.039
them to not blow up the planet and uh, you know,

976
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.760
it's take better care of it and not use nukes.

977
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:10.360
So I guess it's to me they seem.

978
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:13.320
To be trying to influence the next generation as well,

979
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:14.039
and uh.

980
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:16.119
Well, you know, their brains aren't as corrupted, you know,

981
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:18.320
and their souls aren't as corrupted as you know they

982
00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:20.280
as we get, as we get older. So it's like

983
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:23.000
they're like cleaner slates, I think, you know, they're they're

984
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:26.760
more their energies are more cleaner, you know, at least,

985
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:30.440
like I say, one of the big things that interp Yeah,

986
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.480
they're more malleable. And there is like you know, black

987
00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:36.119
is more black than doing gray. You know, for us

988
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:38.199
we learned that you know, you're really is in black

989
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:41.079
and white. It's really kind of gray unfortunately. But you know,

990
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:43.199
when it really gets down to making real changes, it's

991
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:45.440
got to be black or white, you know. You know,

992
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:48.239
if you if you if you're going to stop drinking booze,

993
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:51.800
as an example, you have to stop drinking booze. I mean,

994
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:53.199
you know, one thing I.

995
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:56.559
Liked about our theories that I would like to impart

996
00:53:56.840 --> 00:53:57.480
is that.

997
00:53:58.920 --> 00:53:59.960
They check all the box.

998
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:04.760
It explains so much of it explains Bigfoot, It explains

999
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:11.119
doc Man explains the cattle mutilations. We think that when

1000
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:14.000
they went underground to these underground cities, they may have

1001
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:17.480
taken herds with them that are also becoming non viable,

1002
00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:20.480
and they have to take there there, What are they

1003
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:23.719
stealing on the cows the same thing they're stealing from us.

1004
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:28.159
They're taking blood and the sex organs. They also like tongue,

1005
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:31.360
maybe as a delicacy, I don't know, you know, and

1006
00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:35.639
also the eye, you know, for some reason too. But

1007
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:39.000
you know, with these perfect surgical cuts that obviously some

1008
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:41.760
and I love how the government looked into this. Oh

1009
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:47.119
so many herders were losing their their stock and complaining

1010
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:50.000
that they did. The government did a study on it,

1011
00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:53.480
and their conclusion was it was predators, is they.

1012
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:58.679
Well, yeah, they were predators, wolves with scalpels.

1013
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:03.079
Yeah, different kind of predator.

1014
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:06.639
And these and these wounds are cauterized.

1015
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:10.679
It looks like they're cauterized as they're cut something we

1016
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:12.599
ourselves can't do.

1017
00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:15.519
Well, maybe we can't now, but certainly not back in

1018
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:16.199
the seventies.

1019
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:19.320
No, definitely not then. We can now, but not then.

1020
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:26.400
No, yeah, exactly, definitely not in the middle of the cows, you.

1021
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:30.440
Know, right, Yeah, definitely not out in the middle of

1022
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:35.480
a field. They're not cutting without blood.

1023
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:39.000
So and they're snagging elk out of the forest. You know,

1024
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:44.079
hunters are reporting seeing them snagging, you know, stealing Elk,

1025
00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:46.880
it was not stealing. I guess if it's they're just

1026
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:51.960
taking it from the forest, but you know, snagging, maybe

1027
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:54.519
that's a food source to feed the bigfoots that they're

1028
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:57.199
creating or the dog men would be creating.

1029
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:01.440
So where do we think all this is going over

1030
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:02.599
the next ten years.

1031
00:56:03.679 --> 00:56:06.639
Well, if you ask Elon Musk, by twenty twenty seven,

1032
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:09.840
AI is going to be more intelligent than any human being.

1033
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:12.320
At least ask them, he saying, I think that's probably

1034
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:13.280
already the case.

1035
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:16.679
Anyway, we're fighting for disclosure, but I really don't know

1036
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:19.000
if we'll ever see it.

1037
00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:22.440
It's happening at the snail's pace through Congress.

1038
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:28.519
But it is slowly crawling towards forcing the hand of

1039
00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:32.719
the Legacy Program to at least start making some concessions

1040
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:38.239
to us and giving us some information. Absolutely, they would

1041
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:42.519
have to confess to actual murders to cover this up

1042
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:46.760
over the years, and also, you know, they'd have to

1043
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:49.760
admit to gaslighting us for the last eighty years.

1044
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:53.280
You know, I think the powers that be have discovered,

1045
00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:57.000
especially with the advancement in AI and the CGI and

1046
00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:00.000
things like that, that we can be fooled very very easy.

1047
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:03.719
I mean we we we're constantly going through stuff on

1048
00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:06.239
our phones, Like people are like sending his stuff that

1049
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:10.800
are fairly convincing hoaxes. Okay, but if you know you

1050
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:13.800
have to see them, you know how what to look for.

1051
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:16.800
You know there are a hoax Okay, I can spot

1052
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:19.400
them pretty darn easily. But they're getting better. And it's

1053
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:21.559
like if if you're not there to actually see, let's

1054
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:24.920
say one of our cousins come down in a spaceship

1055
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:28.760
and get out and you know, and start conversing or saying,

1056
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:32.480
take me to your leader. Even then they're saying, oh, well,

1057
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:35.199
it's just a hoax because somebody the designed to drone

1058
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:37.840
or something like that and they came down somebody in

1059
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:40.960
a costume. There's there's so many hoaxes going where people

1060
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:44.039
are pretending to be Gray's or pretending to be uh,

1061
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:45.480
you know, hybrid beings.

1062
00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:47.159
It's just like and c GI has reached.

1063
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:50.440
Yeah, it's like I don't know if we're actually going

1064
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:54.079
to actually really know or like Karen Wilkinson said, who

1065
00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:57.119
did our did the FOURD to our book? Who they

1066
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:01.039
are and what they're up to. It's a military family.

1067
00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:04.760
She's military, okay, very again. One of these people like

1068
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:09.519
me that fell out of place, highly intelligent. I'm pretty intelligent.

1069
00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:12.119
Well brother's more intelligent than me, but I'm pretty intelligent.

1070
00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:14.159
So but it's just.

1071
00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:19.800
Like, you know, I don't humility. Steven already talking about this.

1072
00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:24.559
But it's it's like she said, she's been introduced. She

1073
00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:27.719
she was actually being the training her. She she she

1074
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:30.840
had the ability when they would take her that eventually,

1075
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:33.239
when especially when she was younger, that she would wake

1076
00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:35.639
up on the ship and she'd see the other people

1077
00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:39.159
on the ship that were basically like zombies and zombies,

1078
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:43.599
and they her handler turned out to be a tall

1079
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:47.679
reptilian would use different disguises like human or gray or whatever,

1080
00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:51.639
but with a tall so anyway, she she had four children. Okay,

1081
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:53.159
she's had four you.

1082
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:55.920
Know, hybrid alien four children, four.

1083
00:58:55.639 --> 00:58:59.119
Pregnancies that were there and then they disappeared. Okay, doctor

1084
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:02.039
couldn't explain it. And eventually she was introduced to her

1085
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:06.480
four children. And again they have the bigger eyes. But

1086
00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:10.679
they didn't like her. They kind of like, she said

1087
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:13.000
that they kind of looked at her in kind of contempt,

1088
00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:16.440
like you know, you are we are better than you

1089
00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:18.039
kind of think, you know, like you're just kind of

1090
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:19.719
like you're our mother. But you know, we don't have

1091
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:22.400
any we don't have any bond to you. We're just

1092
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:25.679
kind of here just to I don't know. But anyway,

1093
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:28.000
So she she's had a very troubled wife.

1094
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:31.159
Yeah, she sees them more as demons or soulless creatures.

1095
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:35.079
Yeah, she sees them. It's like she sees like they're

1096
00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:37.519
here to take us over. They want to replace us.

1097
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:40.760
They want to replace Homo sapiens sapiens with their version

1098
00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:43.480
because they want to take back This is her version

1099
00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:45.679
of it. What they want to Basically, their end goals

1100
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:47.960
to take over the surface and get rid of us

1101
00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:52.400
because we are too much trouble. Yeah, we're screwing things up.

1102
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:58.599
For sure. Yeah. Yeah, I've talked to Karen a few times.

1103
00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:02.199
She's uh pretty, she's got a pretty amazing story.

1104
01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:03.119
Yes, she does.

1105
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:08.800
So we're grateful for you.

1106
01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:13.679
Yes, it's that's pretty awesome, is what that is? Yeah,

1107
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:20.360
I think so the uh so, kind of to wrap

1108
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:23.400
things up, the question I like to leave and part

1109
01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:27.719
with is you know the name of this is broadcasting seeds,

1110
01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:33.679
and we like to plant seeds and people's minds. Uh So,

1111
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:36.920
I would like to ask you guys to plant a

1112
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:38.800
seed for the audience.

1113
01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:46.280
Question question authority, you know, and just you know, look

1114
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:50.760
inside yourself and just don't just take every everything that

1115
01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:53.679
you see just just as it is, you know, just

1116
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:57.000
just question stuff like especially so many people are getting

1117
01:00:57.039 --> 01:01:00.800
taken in by by garbage on on on on smartphones

1118
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:03.320
and things like that. You know, question it. Don't just

1119
01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:06.800
like start spreading stuff, you know, rumors that make no sense.

1120
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:12.679
And if you want disclosure, vote in Congress persons that

1121
01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:14.760
promise to fight for it.

1122
01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:21.880
Yeah, for sure. Again, tell everyone where the best place

1123
01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:22.800
to find you is.

1124
01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:28.039
Well, we have a website at who they arebook dot com.

1125
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:33.079
We're on Instagram at Leslie dot Shaw dot author and

1126
01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:38.320
that's Leslie spelled with a L I E yep, and

1127
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:43.960
the uh. The documentary is who they Are and that's

1128
01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:45.719
where you can learn a lot about our theories.

1129
01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:46.079
There.

1130
01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:50.639
It's about fifty four minutes. And if you didn't want

1131
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:53.440
to read the books, eh.

1132
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:54.719
And then our then our book, our second edition is

1133
01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:58.679
soon to be coming out in Spanish, both in hopefully

1134
01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:01.519
they're going to do the translation audio transfer and the

1135
01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:02.320
audio book too.

1136
01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:02.639
Yeah.

1137
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:06.000
The audiobook in English also will be out pretty soon. Hopefully.

1138
01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:09.599
We're having a tough time finding somebody, a vocal artist

1139
01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:10.960
that really wants to do it.

1140
01:02:11.039 --> 01:02:13.079
Yeah, the first one turned us down that we picked.

1141
01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:14.880
I think it's because of the subject.

1142
01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:15.159
Matter, you know.

1143
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:17.119
And at the head of the matter is that we've

1144
01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:19.400
already prepaid for this stuff. So it's our it's our

1145
01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:22.159
publishers that we have to like keep on lighting a fires.

1146
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:24.159
You know, we paid for this eight months ago.

1147
01:02:24.519 --> 01:02:31.760
Yeah, come on, yeah, we love them, We love you.

1148
01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:35.440
It's just you know, they're they're slogging along getting it

1149
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:38.400
done and uh and when it comes out, that's when

1150
01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:41.639
we'll make another big splash. Well, we'll try and come

1151
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:43.079
back on your show if you'll let us.

1152
01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:47.800
So I hope you'll listen to this, guys, Yeah for sure.

1153
01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:54.280
All right, guys. I again, that's always a pleasure and

1154
01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:58.880
I love our conversations, so of course we'll do it

1155
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:03.440
again before you know it. All right, all right, guys,

1156
01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:05.039
take care, have a good night.

1157
01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:06.559
Good night, everyone night.

1158
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:07.039
Everybody.

1159
01:03:07.159 --> 01:03:09.280
Look up staring at the ceiling.

1160
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:21.480
But something didn't feel the same, Like echoes moving through

1161
01:03:21.519 --> 01:03:33.599
the silence, like someone whispering my name, a shadow just

1162
01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:35.280
beneath the surface.

1163
01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:41.320
The truth I cannot quite recall.

1164
01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:47.840
If I am more than what I'm seeing?

1165
01:03:51.719 --> 01:04:00.679
Then who is watching through it all? A faction question?

1166
01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:03.400
Audiswer baby.

1167
01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:06.320
Talk to tell me?

1168
01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:10.199
Bothering you?

1169
01:04:17.159 --> 01:04:19.679
They say, we came from dust to five?

1170
01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:26.360
What if we were left behind.

1171
01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:36.679
A scattered tribe of surface dwellers.

1172
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:38.880
While others learned to shape the lines.

1173
01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:50.039
Beneath our feet, a hidden kingdom breen and quiet in

1174
01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:50.800
the door.

1175
01:04:55.039 --> 01:05:02.440
Well, we just talked you over shadow, they be studying

1176
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:21.639
who we are? I feeling more bloodstream, something agent alballs memory,

1177
01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:32.199
never after calling me a calm man. Didn't we fall

1178
01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:36.719
where we chosen? Did we break? Go where we spread?

1179
01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:41.239
Are we living on the surface while.

1180
01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:42.800
The truth flies under?

1181
01:05:45.800 --> 01:07:00.199
You can feel the shift here, more intensity, slightly eerie.

1182
01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:14.559
They take the blood, they take the pieces, They take

1183
01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:23.400
the parts we never see, rewriting lines inside our bodies,

1184
01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:29.199
designing what we're meant to be.

1185
01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:40.800
And in the quiet of the evening, when the world

1186
01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:42.599
begins to see.

1187
01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:54.960
There's something walking just beneath us, something waking in the deed.

1188
01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:05.360
Away the minute of the fracture. Following the question, the

1189
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answered can big in shame?

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And what we do?

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Tell me?

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Are they me?

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And you, so I'll just.

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Sitting here in the silence, let the questions sell him.

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If I look team and the fence signed me, you

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will when again, just start faction in the darkness. It's

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just the shadow passing the hole. They can.

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Since the beginning.

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And maybe.

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They are

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Basta