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All right, we are live, not actually live, but live recording.
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So tell us who you are and what you do.
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Yeah, So my name is Terrestrial.
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I run the Sasquatch Data Project, which is basically my
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attempt at parsing all of the BFRO reports. Initially I
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want to move into other data sets too and stuff,
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but basically putting those witness reports into a format that's
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optimized for data analysis, in particularly statistical analysis. So that's
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I guess what the essence of what I do in
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regards to Bigfoot.
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So yeah, and it's amazing. Frankly, I like this has
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been long coming in my opinion.
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Yeah, it's something that's really needed to be done, like
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so bad.
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Right for sure, Like I remember, we would set so
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we actually started, me and a couple of friends started
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a nonprofit kind of in the idea of going this direction.
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We just could never really make it happen like you have.
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So but with that being said, you know, we would
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just sit and always wonder, like, well, how many sightings
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like within, like you know, certain certain geographical areas have
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there been of like blonde sasquatches, you know, things like that,
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And yeah, I think it matters, you know that stuff
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matters for sure.
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Oh yeah, definitely, And I agree that this is something
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that has really needed to be done at least on
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the BFROO data set and any other data sets too.
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Have started to incorporate like NAWAS North America Weddy Conservancies
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data set and stuff into the Sasquatch Data Project data set.
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But I know that there has been some analysis done
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on that John Green's data set.
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Yeah, Faron Box, I've you know, he's gone into it.
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And there's another doctor that's it's escaping me what his
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name is. But he actually did, Like I was reading
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his paper the other day and it was extremely in
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depth into John Green's data set. But we really need,
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you know, we really needed someone to dive into this,
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into the BFRO stuff too, because like there's so much
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information there that hasn't been tapped.
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Yeah, so so much. Yeah, I see your casts behind you.
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Those are amazing.
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I love the footprint casts. They're one of my favorite
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things to collect.
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Awesome. Yeah, where do you get them? Usually? Are they yours?
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Or no?
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I haven't taken these. These are all I think most
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of them are like first gen copies of casts. All
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of these came from the North American Bigfoot Center. Okay,
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so I ordered them online.
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Yeah, I got it. I've got of course, I don't
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have it displayed. I don't know why not. I've got
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one from them as well. So pretty cool, all right,
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So what what got you into this whole high strangeness,
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bigfoot sasquatch? You know, this whole this you know because
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we're a giant genre, really and it bleeds into so
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many different things. So what got you into this in
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the first place?
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Really?
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Well, I think it's a funny story. We'll see.
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When I was like five years old, my dad, I'll
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start off with this. He has always been kind of
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interested in like more paranormal stuff, like ghosts and that
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kind of thing. So I have this really vivid memory
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of being like five years old. I'm sitting on the
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couch with my dad and we have been watching TV
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all day because he was like prepping for a cold
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off the next day, so he was like, so he's
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so we were just watching TV and we had it
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on the Discovery Channel. So we had been watching like
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ghost shows and we had been watching all that kind
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of stuff. But then Doug Hicheck's Sasquatch Legend Meete Science
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came on and that's where I saw the Patterson Gimlin
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film for the first time, and I just remember my
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brain like exploding. I was like, this is the most
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magnificent yet mortifying thing I've ever seen in my whole life.
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So that's like what kicked off, at least my interest
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for Bigfoot. So like while my dad was fighting for
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his life next to me, I was like having my
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whole life, uh.
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Just kind of I don't know we'd be lined for
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this Bigfoot thing.
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But that's kind of how I got kicked off and started,
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and I've always been interested in it. Life kind of
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took me a different way though. I went down like
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a planetary science path for a while and then I
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kind of came back.
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So yeah, yeah, that's pretty awesome. That's a funny story.
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It's good. Of course, I don't check had something to
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do with it, because it feels like his body of
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work has something to do with everybody's introduction, right, and
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Patterson Gimlin, to me, it's one of those things that's
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never been in question, like I, you know, I just don't.
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I think it's legit as it gets, and yeah, it's
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pretty amazing.
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It is. It's an amazing piece of footage, and I
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know that one of the things is, like people always say,
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you know, we've never been able to disprove it, so
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we can't count it out, which is true.
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We've never been able to disprove it.
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But I will say there are some interesting things that
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I've seen, at least.
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In the footprint data that also, like kind of, at.
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Least in my mind, point to its legitimacy, because I
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know a lot of people have a problem with Patty's
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new height estimate being you know, smaller than what people
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have at least assumed sasquatches were. But just from some
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things that I've seen in the footprint data, and I've
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kind of touched on it on some stuff I've posted online,
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but you know, her height actually isn't really that big
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of an issue. It actually falls quite well into at
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least with the footprint data suggests. So, yeah, I love
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the Patterson Gimblin film. It's I have a pit, that's
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I have Patty on the wall.
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Oh I see it there? Yeah? Yeah? So what so after?
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So what when did you start doing this? When did
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you start crunching this data? And I'll say crunching correct
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me if I'm.
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You know, oh no, you're good. Yeah. So I started
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the Sasquatch Data Project in twenty twenty three. It's something
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that I had had in the back of my mind
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for a couple of years, especially when COVID happened.
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And I was like, man, I got all this time.
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Like what should what can I do? And yeah, So
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I kind of had this like idea, actually got this
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idea when I was in college, but at the time
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I was working on NASA's dominission and that was like
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taking all of my focus was working on that, trying
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to get through college and that kind of thing. So
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once I graduated, I realized I wanted to do something else.
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And I don't know, it's been kind of a winding path,
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but eventually I ended up with like, well, my true
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passion in life is researching sasquatches. I don't live in
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a great place to go out into the field and
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do that. How can I do that? You know with
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my skills and resources? And well, I.
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Really love math, I really love data analysis. I might
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as well do this.
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So that's kind of how I got started with just
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creating the Sasquat State of project.
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Do you ever go out in the field, So.
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Yeah, I grew up in Northeast Georgia. I actually grew
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up like ten minutes away from where they fill in
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the first Fining Bigfoot episode. And I've had some really
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weird things happen on my parents' property because I owned
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about twenty five acres and it backs up to like
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two hundred acres of just nothingness. So whenever I go
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visit them, I will. I basically spend all of my
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time in the woods, like looking. I have an audio
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recorder going twenty four to seven, and I did a
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like three month long audio project when I was there.
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I went and spent like three months with them last year.
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So I'll do stuff like that when I can. But
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most of my work is, unfortunately but fortunately behind a computer.
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I got you, Hey, somebody's got to do all the stuff, right,
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So it's not it.
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Yeah, there's a place for everyone.
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There's a place for everyone for sure. So what data
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if we take this just starting down, what what is
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the most shocking data that that you found, like that
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that in your opinion, that is kind of like hit
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you and you're like wow, you know, I mean, and
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it doesn't have to just be one, it can be
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you know whatever. But stuff that shocked you.
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I would say, hmm. The first thing that came to mind,
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and probably because we kind of touched on it, is
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like this clustering of different hair colors is pretty interesting.
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There is a definite cluster of h well, blonde stasquatches
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in Alabama, which is very unusual, at least to me.
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And there's particular clusters of white and gray sasquatches also
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in Alabama, but more so in the South versus the
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Western United States.
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So that itself, I thought was very interesting.
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Also, the difference in like red brown sasquatch reports is
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statistically significant significant between the western and Southern United States
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as well, where the South has more reports. So stuff
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like that's very interesting to me because those are just
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like little little differences that wouldn't be super obvious if
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you were like poaxing or like if all these reports
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were just like this massive hoaxing campaign or whatever. Like
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that's very odd.
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That's very screen enough nuance that you're like.
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Right, So that's been interesting. Probably one of my favorite
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things lately to think about and to talk about is
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this other thing I've seen in the data where basically
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through and categorized witness fear levels from no fear to extreme,
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and there's like five different categories no fear, mild, moderate, elevated, extreme.
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But I found in.
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Class A sightings, as witness fear level increases, so does
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the average height of the Sasquatch, and that difference in
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height between the extreme and the mild group is statistically significant.
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That was shocking because that not only brings into like
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consideration of Okay, well, if this is like a massive
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hoaxing campaign, they would have had to coordinated that over
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hundreds of reports over you know, a sixty year time
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span and seventeen different states, Like that's crazy. But it
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also plays into human psychology. You know, when witnesses or
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when humans are scared they perceive these they can perceive
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the stimulus as larger than it actually is, sometimes up
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to thirty percent larger.
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And that's pretty significant.
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It's very significant, especially when we're talking about like I
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think the figure was eighty percent of Sasquatch heights eight
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and a half feet or more that were estimated from
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the witness happened in these elevated and extreme fear groups.
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So that's at least.
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It's actually that's a pretty big deal.
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Yeah, So I don't know.
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It was shocking for me at the data nerd.
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It's like like shocking, like, uh, I don't know, the
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sasquatch is doing something crazy.
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Usually the reports are pretty mundane, and if I'm honest.
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Right, yeah, I find that a lot of people. Yeah,
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it's it's almost like I can only imagine how many
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reports aren't made. Oh yeah, because I know for a fact,
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like I've had a few encounters myself personal and I
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feel like until that muscles like stimulated in my brain,
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like I start thinking about it, right that I almost
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don't think about it. It's not like it But then
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if I really look at it, is it was one
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of the incidents was pretty traumatic, right, Yeah, maybe that's
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why I compartmentalize it. But with that being said, I'm
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wondering fear factor. The hot, the taller they get, the
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scarier they are, right.
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And that's one you know, that's another component of it.
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It could be that you know, larger animal elicits a stronger.
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Fear reaction because not only do we talk and as data,
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you know, like what for every foot of height, I
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can only imagine what the correlation to weight would be,
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and that would also correlate to withd just so massive
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sheer size, Like the difference between like a like a
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like a six foot polar bear and an eight foot
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polar bear is like five pounds.
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You know, maybe a lot.
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Yeah, so you know what I mean. So I'm saying,
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so just overwhelmed size. But what about fear factor like geographically?
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Do you have data on that or not?
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You know, I haven't looked at that. I haven't looked
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at how fear might differ between regions. I could, I
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definitely I have enough data to do that for sure.