April 8, 2025

Tracking Bigfoot with Data: The Bigfoot Mapping Project w/ Scott Tompkins

Tracking Bigfoot with Data: The Bigfoot Mapping Project w/ Scott Tompkins
Tracking Bigfoot with Data: The Bigfoot Mapping Project w/ Scott Tompkins
The Broadcasting Seeds Podcast
Tracking Bigfoot with Data: The Bigfoot Mapping Project w/ Scott Tompkins

In this episode of Broadcasting Seeds, we sit down with Scott Tompkins, the creator of the Bigfoot Mapping Project. We dive into how data and tech are reshaping the search for Sasquatch, discuss patterns in reported encounters, and explore what this...

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In this episode of Broadcasting Seeds, we sit down with Scott Tompkins, the creator of the Bigfoot Mapping Project. We dive into how data and tech are reshaping the search for Sasquatch, discuss patterns in reported encounters, and explore what this could mean for the future of cryptid research. Whether you're a believer, a skeptic, or somewhere in between, this one’s for you.

Links

https://www.bigfootmap.com/



https://www.instagram.com/bigfootmappingproject/

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All right, we are live, well, we're live recording. Actually,

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what happened last night is I recorded with a friend

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of mine and it went live to YouTube. Oh and

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I didn't even know it.

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But that's funny. So you're doing like the.

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Takes happening now, but I don't think it is. It

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doesn't look like it.

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Is, so okay, yeah, anyway, okay, if we start getting comments,

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Scott's Scott Tompkins Bigfoot Mapping Project, tell us who you

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are and what you do.

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Let's start with the bigfoot stuff. As you say, I'm

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Scott Tompkins. I created the Bigfoot Mapping Project, and the

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Bigfoot Mapping Project is a crowd sourced repository for Bigfoot reports, sightings, audibles, evidence,

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et cetera, all to be submitted by the general public

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who's had any experience or found anything to do with

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bigfoot into the map. So we can into the map

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further on in the episode, but essentially it's a map

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centric crowd sourced repository for people to access, explore, and

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submit any information that they have about bigfoot. Now me,

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I'm from New York, so it's nice to be chatting

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with another New Yorker, Like we were talking about in

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the green room. I'm from downstate near I'm from Beacon,

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which is about an hour north of New York City

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in the Hudson Valley, and I grew up out in

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the woods, fishing, hunting, boating, camping, you name it. And

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went to college for GIS, which is Geographic Information Systems,

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which is the background I have to be making the

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maps and the applications that I create. And from there

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I got into geophysical exploration, which is oil and gas exploration.

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Seismic some people notice seismic, and it's basically making a

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sonogram of the Earth so you can see all the

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layers and geology beneath and the formations and faults and

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everything that's beneath the surface of the earth for basically

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drilling oil wells. And from there, during the exploration I

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was doing, I would talk to people about Bigfoot because

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I was out in the middle of nowhere in a

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lot of places, and so they would tell me what

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was happening on their properties and their relatives, experiences, etc.

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And that gave me the idea to create the project.

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So my professional in a way, my professional and educational

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experience and background has directly unintentionally influenced the creation of

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the Bigfoot Mapping Project, because had I not taken that route,

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I never would have had the background, or the capabilities,

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or the understanding or idea to capture all of this

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information in a semi novice anthropo anthropologeal approach in the application,

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in the database. So that's a little bit about me.

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I think, you know, moral come out throughout the episode.

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But that's in a nutshell who I am and why

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I created the project.

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Yeah, and it's an amazing tool. I take a lot

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of notes just.

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So you know I'm here for it. I need to.

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Ever since I had a kid, I forget everything, right.

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No kidd, So what I was looking at is oh yeah,

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So and I'll ask the questions a little bit. But so,

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all right, so Bigfoot Mapping Project. Obviously, I'm pretty sure

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what you're going to answer when I say, what was

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your entry into.

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This whole world of.

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You know, high strangeness that that we kind of live

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in in this community. What was your gateway drug?

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Well? It was Bigfoot for sure, right, And so it's

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kind of a twofold answer. I touched on it earlier

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when I was doing the introducing myself. But prior to that,

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I had an experience on Mount Beacon that was kind

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of unexplainable. I was hiking with a friend around the

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backside of the reservoir. At the top of the mountain,

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there's a fire tower you can hike to, and you

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have to go around. One of the trails goes around

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the backside of the reservoir and you can get to

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the fire tower and climb up, climb up, and you

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can see the New York City skyline from the top

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of the mountains. Really cool. But as we were rounding

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the backside of the reservoir, there was basically a it

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would go. It went up a small hill, and behind

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that hill was like a ridge that dropped down. And

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immediately behind that hill we couldn't see, but there was

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something screaming, guttural, like a gorilla tiger. I couldn't tell

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you what it was, And a really large tree started

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shaking violently all the way to the canopy. And this

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is something no way A grown man that you know,

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the rock couldn't have done it, you know. So we

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were fourteen, right, this is many years ago. We looked

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at each other and bolted down the mountain right and

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that that was the first unexplainable, hair raising, scary thing.

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What it was I don't know, but we didn't have

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an easy explanation for it. So we've wondered what was that?

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Was a Bigfoot? Was it somebody messing with us? We

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really don't know. So that got some curiosity, some adrenaline going,

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and I realized that there could be some stuff out

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there in the woods that we, you know, don't know

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or haven't seen or is unexplained. Couple that with at

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the time, finding Bigfoot was really popular, right, gaining popularity,

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so it was a natural influence on what I was

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interested in and the explanations I jumped to, right because

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of course it was all over pop culture. You could

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and it was like, maybe that was Bigfoot. So fast

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forward and I've kind of forgotten about it. I've gone

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on through college and work and stuff. And then, like

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I was saying earlier, that experience out in the field

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really contributed to my idea to create the database. Where

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I was hearing other people's stories about Bigfoot, and I

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was hearing them in West Virginia, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Texas, Louisiana,

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all over the place. So I started to realize that

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this wasn't just a localized phenomenon. It was happening everywhere,

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and that's where I got the idea to create the project. So,

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like I was saying in the intro, my background, my

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professional career, and then it's one experience in my early

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years really contributed to my gateway drug. You know, they

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got me into big Field. And I tell you know,

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I talked to Renee occasionally and I told her, I

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was like, you know, I used to watch you and

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finding Bigfoot, and I kind of blame not blame you,

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but you had a direct influence on you know, what

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I'm doing today through your show, and I don't think

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you know, how often do you get to say that

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to someone, right, So, yeah, that's really cool. By the way,

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she's such a lovely person, awesome, lovely person.

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So good to hear that stuff because.

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Sometimes, man, she's amazing, amazing.

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Those TV personalities.

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Now she's I like her way more every time we talk,

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So I'm really lucky to have her cool. My corner

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is supportive and given advice and stuff. So I'm very

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grateful for that.

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Because I see so I see that you get some

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of the data from BFROS. You get it directly from them,

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or do do you like download what they have publicly available.

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So I started with a data set called Man's and

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that website stopped. It just stopped being updated in twenty sixteen.

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It was a really good website. It's a very good

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precursor essentially to the Bigfoot Mapping project. It's very similar

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in a lot of ways to what I'm doing. And

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what that website did was aggregate a lot of bigfoot

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databases into one map, essentially.

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Just a clearinghouse of data.

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Yeah, exactly. So I got that data set and in

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that data set, there's the BFRO, there's the Kentucky Bigfoot

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Research Organization, there's a bunch of other different organizations data

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all aggregated together. And I used that as a starting

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point to populate the map for the Bigfoot Mapping project.

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And then along with that, I started crowdsourcing reports. So yes,

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I do have to credit the BFRO and man Johnny's

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and all of the other organizations that did a lot

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of work prior to me coming along with my head, yeah,

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integrating that into map.

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But it really that they opened that up to you too,

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because sometimes you hear people protect.

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Their interestingly enough you can. Actually they have on the

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website if you find the website. I don't know if

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it's still live, but when I found it, they have

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a download section. You could just download the whole database publicly, right,

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It's very very useful.

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So why the two maps?

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Why the two maps? Well, the first one the old map,

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if if you want.

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To call it that, the classic map, I like classic.

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Yeah, so the classic map is just all the points

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on the map. And then this is actually probably a

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deeper answer than you expect with to this question. Yeah,

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the classic map really just shows you points on a map.

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There's no actual, right, the actual location, but the symbology

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with the actual points start to coalesce, and which can

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really make the map look busier in certain areas and

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give you the wrong idea about what's happening in an area,

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because it's not. Those symbols are like a font size, right,

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they're not actually true to you know, ground scale per se.

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So what I've done, especially when you zoom out, When

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you zoom in, like they'll they'll disperse right the closer

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you are to you know, one to one scale. But

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when you zoom out, things start to get crowded, right,

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and it can give you the wrong idea. And there's

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tons of maps all over the internet that look like that, right,

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there's that There's one Bigfoot map. Everybody's probably seen it,

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and it's like a bunch of bigfoot on a screenshot

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of like Google Earth, and it looks like it's like

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bigfoots everywhere, but the symbols are huge, right, so they

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cover or you know, half the state that they're in.

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And that's the problem with the classic map. It's a

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great map because you can really see, you know, all

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the points in an area. However, it can give you

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the wrong idea about what's happening, you know, in general

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in a certain area. So with that in mind, I

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created the new map.

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Which is awesome. I love it. I love that, but

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I use them both, that's the thing.

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Yeah, I mean, that's why I kept them up there, right,

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because you know, some people prefer to work with the

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points all visible, and then the new map really does

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some analysis and displays that density analysis a hot spot

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essentially in the map for you. Yeah, so that you know,

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you can really see an analysis of all those points

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and how they relate to each other in certain areas.

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That gives you better information. So The reason that I

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have two maps is you know, there's different functionality in

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each map, But essentially I wanted the map app to

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display what was really happening with Bigfoot, i e. Hotspots,

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rather than people trying to digest all those points in

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a map themselves, because they're just not going to show

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you what people are what they think they're pulling from

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the map. It's it's not informing people correctly, which is

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why I created the hotspot map.

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Yeah, which is really cool because it does kind of

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give you.

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It just gives you, and there's all different ways to work,

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right You might not care about the hot spots for

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what you're doing. You might just want to go and

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see all the points on them. Yeah, right, So I

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try to keep it open for people to work with

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things however they want to work.

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With them, right right now? What kind of data? All right?

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So this kind of leads right into one of the

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questions that I've got about the whole data collection of this.

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Now obviously a lot of this stuff is taken from

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other databases, right and from people putting in their own

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recollection of ah.

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Encounter. Right.

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Sure, for some reason, I could. I mean, I've even

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got an encounter on here, right, I I've got a few,

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but I only put in one just because I wanted

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to see what it was like. Yeah, and it's cool,

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it's smooth, it's it's everything that I'm just wondering about data,

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Like do you have a way of like crunching data,

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meaning like how many sightings of like cinnamon bigfoot do

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we have? Do you understand what I mean or like

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foot size or like in like how does that correlate

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to the map? Are you able to do that type

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of stuff?

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Yes? So there's two parts to you. There's two parts

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to your answer or your question. There's two parts of

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the answer to your question. Yes. First part is what

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makes crunching data easy is standardization. Right, So that was

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the form that you went through and filled out and said, yeah,

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that you had a good experience on. Those are the

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fields in the form. Did you see a male bigfoot?

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You see female bigfoot? How tall was it? What color

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did you see? Et cetera, et cetera. Yes, and then

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there's the additional comments, Right, what didn't I capture in

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that those standardized fields? That was still relevant to the report,

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And there's like five thousand characters you can add to

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five fields of a thousand characters each. So crunching the

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standardized data is very simple, right, because it's simple queries.

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It's basically, you know, if you know, find color in

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this list, so find brown, black, blah blah blah blah blah.

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Right, But.

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Crunching quote unquote crunching the anecdotal text field portions of

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the reports is a little bit more difficult. However, I

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started to use AI to really help with that because

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AI can read the whole database, right, you can read

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the whole data.

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You can literally do a word search kind of yeah, don't.

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And there's all different kinds of l ms out there,

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large language models, so that you can really start to

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have your own environment, right and train it yourself on

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your data. I haven't gotten that sophisticated yet, but I

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do use chat GPT a lot open AI chat GPT,

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and I've looked through that type of analysis on the

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database and found really interesting insights. And I think i've

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even I've made a few posts that I'll share with

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you about how I use the AI to look at

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the big Foot Mapping projectatabase.

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And you could create your own I say we, but

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you could create your own GPT to do, to do

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whatever you wanted to do. Yeah, in essence, So yeah,

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that's you know, and I don't know why I never

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thought about it, but that's genius.

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I've thought about plugging a GPT bot, making it available

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on the website so people can have conversations with Bigfoot

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GPT basically on bigfootmap dot com and it would basically

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pull all the answers from the database. So keep your

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eyes peeled for that. That's been on the back of

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my mind for a while. And it's really not that

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hard to do, to be honest. So it's very very

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possibly easy. Yes, yes, exactly, terrifying, but you know, if

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you use it the right way, it constructive, was great,

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But that there is now that you say, it's shockingly easy.

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That's a very interesting point because AI can still give

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you the wrong answers. It can be wrong so and

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it can misinform you. It can make conclusions that really

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aren't there. Yeah, so just keep that in mind larger

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it's out there and that as well. So I think

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I answered your question. I hope.

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Yeah, oh no, you did absolutely good, because like I

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told you, I want to put you in touch with

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a friend of mine. Who would like to add nauseam

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talk about that data. I'm here for it, Yeah, for sure.

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So all right, so you I'm looking here. We kind

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of talked about it earlier, but on your database at

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least what state has the most bigfoot sightings?

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Now this is controversial. I love controversy. I'm serious, Like

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people are going to think I'm like making this up.

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I stand by these numbers.

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You can look at it. You can look at it,

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and if you're looking at density, it's it's pretty intense.

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I mean it's intense in both. But anyway, I'll let

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you have before.

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Sure, no, no, no problem. So let me add this

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caveat before I answer this question. My account is only

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as good as the data that I've got. So there

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are reports that people have that have not been submitted

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anywhere that aren't in my database. My database in the

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Bigfoot Mapping Project database. So keep that in mind. I'm

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just telling you and sharing the numbers that I've got

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that I've received so far. Does that tell you that

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there's more bigfoot in Washington than there's more in Florida

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or wherever? Right? No, this just tells you the report.

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This is a snapshot of the reports today that I've

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got and the counts in various states. And the second

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part of that is that bigfoot does not know political boundaries, right.

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So Bigfoot's not thinking, hey, I want to go live

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in Oregon. You know, I heard it's great over there.

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Bigfoot doesn't know that where Oregon is, right. It just

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knows the e Go region or the habitat that it's

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that it's in at different times of the year and

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what what's good for it and what it needs. So

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with that said, uh, here's the controversial thing. And I

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haven't said it on a podcast yet. Pennsylvania has the

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most Bigfoot sightings in the Bigfoot Mapping Project database. It

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is the site of the state with the highest number

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of Bigfoot sightings and reports. I should say, yeah.

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That's that is controversial, But I mean the data is

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the data too. But like you said, and I like

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the caveat at the end of the day, folks don't

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get crazy.

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But per this.

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That's today, right, this tool, in this in this database,

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that's where it's at. And I mean if you look

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at the map, yeah, I mean Pennsylvania and Ohio, it's bright.

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It's as bright as it is in Washington and Oregon.

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It is it is actually so little brighter, like more dense,

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it's more there's more density there. Yeah, I just can't

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believe how close it is to Pittsburgh.

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Right, It's it's it's kind of interesting. But you know,

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that's an interesting point. And people always say, well, bigfoot,

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you know, we would see it. It lives in far

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you know, remote places, and I'm sure it does. However,

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this does illustrate that this creature can be very successful

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in close proximity to human civilization. Yeah, how does it travel?

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When does it travel? Those are types of things we

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can learn from the reports. Where does it travel? I've

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done all that big series on like corridors from Ezry's

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Green Infrastructure data set. So these are things like we

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really need to think about. It's not like they're trying

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to walk down the sidewalk with us right in Pittsburgh,

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but they may be noveling through. Is that along a

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migration corridor or is that what's on? What is the context? Right?

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So just because there's a point on the map, that

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doesn't mean that Bigfoot there is there all the time.

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They're very transient. So what's really happening this This map

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is just the beginning of understanding Bigfoot. It doesn't have

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all the answers. Yeah, we need to start to analyze

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it to get those answers.

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Yeah, okid, yeah, so I yeah, we do a bunch

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of research in New York and in Pennsylvania, and it's

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just it's actually from what I've heard from folks that

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have been doing Pennsylvania for a while that there's also

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a market uptick in activity there is noticeably, yeah, noticeably, so,

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which is also like what's that all about? Like you know,

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and and I don't know, I don't know what data

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tell us anything about that, but that's all kinds of looking.

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I mean, there's all kinds of explanations, but it's it's

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just kind of a market increase. And the other place

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that was shocking to me on the East Coast is Baltimore,

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like around Baltimore and like Maryland and and.

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Uh yeah, there's a lot of John Green's site of

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reports there, yeah, that are that occur in the state

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of Maryland. So it's it's very interesting there. There's some

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that don't have great lat longs from John Green's database,

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so they are not spatially as accurate as somebody who

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maybe crowdsource, use the crowdsource report to put it on

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the map.

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But that's a lot of sightings and a very dense area.

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But they are I've cone through them. They are all

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in Maryland, for example, which is very interesting because it's

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not a large state. Right Right, So I was gonna say,

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if we can jump one back to your comment you

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made about why is there an uptick in Pennsylvania? I

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had a thought and being the chatterbox, I am, I

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can't not say it, but there are you asked the

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question how why do we how do we figure out

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what that uptick is? Right? And why is it happening?

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And that's where GIS can help it. Really, there's so

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many different ways to slice what's happening and why. Creatures

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wildlife are more visible around human establishments, right. So one

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human activity, right, what are we building new roads? Are

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we building new like suburban developments? Are we leveling more forests,

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et cetera? So there's less places for them to go,

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They're going to be more visible, right. Two? Food scarcity?

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Is there some change and food sources? There was there

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some kind of blight for a tree that they eat

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a lot of who knows, Right, there's all kinds of

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ways and things to think about that affect all wildlife,

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not just bigfoot. So and then we can also look

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at what's happening with other wildlife in the area as well.

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So there's just so many things to think about outside

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of just why is Bigfoot doing this? What is encouraging

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Bigfoot to behave? This way is another way to frame

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that question.

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Yeah, that's pretty uh, yeah, it's a good way of

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thinking about it, a different way, for sure. What are

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your thoughts? I mean, so, do you do research on

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other than this, obviously, but do you like go out

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and like, yeah, hunt or hunts is not the right word.

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I don't like that search, search or just you know,

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I do sit around a campfire and wait for something

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to show up or whatever whatever your technique is.

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And so I just talked about that. I have an

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episode of Mapping Bigbook coming out this weekend and I

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had a great guest on. His name is Austin Lake

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and he's a big time hunter and he's on the

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Fox TV show Extracted actually this season, and he and

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I talk about a lot of field techniques for looking

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for bigfoot, and I like to hunt. If you can't

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tell behind me, right, So my technique is probably different

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than people who don't enjoy hunting as much as I do. Now,

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I have had an experience on my dear lease here

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in Texas that I've talked about on other podcasts. I'll

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happily share it here. I'll answer this question first, then

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maybe we can get into that. So my approach is

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concealment stealth. I don't want to I don't want anything

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to know I'm there if I can avoid that, right,

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I want to observe the natural flow of things as

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if I'm not not influencing it at all. So I

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go to my deer lease where I hunt deer, but

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I also have seen bigfoot sasquatch on that property. So

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in the off season, even during the season, not as

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much though during deer season because I've got a different

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objective then. But in the off season, I am crawling

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through every nook and cranny of that property. Along the river.

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I found freshwater clams that are gigantic like this big.

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You know that there's plenty of food there. There's tubers,

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there's clams, like I said, there's crawfish. There's a river

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running through it, so there's all kinds of frogs and

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fish and all kinds of things to eat for bigfoot

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to exist.

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Out there always a good sign the water running.

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Through exactly right. So with that said, I guess my

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approach would be more of a hunter approach. Not that

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I'm not out there to kill bigfoot or anything like that.

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I'm there to find evidence, but I try to influence

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as little as possible, and I try not to disturb

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anything while I'm out there. Right, I'm not doing tree knocks,

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I'm not doing howls. I'm not doing yells anything like that,

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because that's just not my style. Right. I'm not saying

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it's valid one way or the other, but it's just

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not how I can be effective personally. Now, why do

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I go out there and do that. I'll happily get

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into my bigfoot encounter if you if I can take

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the mic and run with it. I don't want to

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be that guy that just talks, talks, talks the whole episode.

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But okay, So the same least that I was talking

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about earlier, that I'm out there looking for evidence on

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finding all the food, et cetera. It was about gosh,

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two years ago now maybe three, I was actually finishing

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bow hunting and I was walking out. It was after

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shooting time, right, it's too dark to shoot anything. I

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just had my bow. And here in Texas we have

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really large wild hogs bores, and they can get three

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hundred pounds. Right, They're really big, ugly, nasty kind of creatures.

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They're gross. So I was walking out and I saw

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behind so the barber fence was on my left because

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I had come out of the river bottom area where

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I hunt, and I was walking back to my truck,

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and I looked off to my left at about ten

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eleven o'clock and there was a dark black blob right

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behind like a sage brush, something like a sagebrush. I

467
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:13.920
don't know exactly what it was. And I thought, all right, well,

468
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:16.920
this is just a big hog. It's not coming my way.

469
00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:18.880
I don't want to disturb it. I can't outrun this

470
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:22.400
thing where I am right now. It's a pasture one way,

471
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:24.880
and there's no barely any trees to climb up. Right,

472
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:26.960
there's nothing for me to get away from this hog.

473
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:30.160
So I just didn't see me. I didn't think. I'll

474
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.640
just let it go on its way, I mean, and

475
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:39.119
then I'll get back to my truck and go home. Well,

476
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:42.720
it stood up. I stopped from when I stopped, it

477
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:48.160
stood up. I mean this thing had to be seven

478
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:51.519
seven and a half feet tall, and it was wide, right,

479
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:54.920
it was wide like a like a I don't know,

480
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:59.319
just everything you hear massive. I could see its hands

481
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:03.359
like cup by sides, just like that hanging down. I

482
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:06.279
could see its massive arms and just the silhouette of

483
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:08.920
them anyway, and then the silhouette of a head like

484
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:13.119
massive muscles here, no neck, you know, and then like

485
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:17.480
a pointy head. So this, ironically, this is after I

486
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:19.720
started the big Foot mapping project too, So I'm like,

487
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:24.960
nobody's gonna believe this, right, but this is, this is

488
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:30.359
one hundred percent like what happened. And so I'm standing

489
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:36.000
there and I can't believe what's happening. I don't understand

490
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:39.160
what's happening, fully, because I'm more in of a reaction

491
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:43.880
mode where I'm fight or flight. This could be a

492
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:47.599
big person. I need to just figure out what to do.

493
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:53.519
So so man, in many words, I said, whoa. I mean,

494
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:57.039
just like that, like whoa. You caught me really off guard,

495
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:02.160
and its squatted back down. So at this point I

496
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:08.000
knew we were interacting right, and I still didn't know

497
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:11.240
exactly how to handle the situation. I wasn't like freaked out,

498
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:16.319
like I was nervous, like in a precautionary way, because

499
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:19.799
this was potentially a dangerous situation, but I didn't feel threatened.

500
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:24.920
I guess if that makes any sense. And I was like,

501
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:28.680
I see you, literally just like that, I said, I

502
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:33.400
see you. And immediately after I said that, up it

503
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:39.680
said that. It stood up, turned around and sprinted, sprinted

504
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:45.160
through all the brambles and the prairie river bottom kind

505
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:50.119
of wild foliage. And then it hit the thicket of

506
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:53.119
timber that starts just at the edge of the field.

507
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:58.920
Didn't slow down at all, and it's just thickspreaking and

508
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:03.880
everythingsh And at that point I was every hair on

509
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:06.319
my neck, my arm, everything was stood up. And I

510
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:09.759
was like, I gotta get back to my truck. Like

511
00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:11.680
I'm not even embarrassed to say this. I got back

512
00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:13.359
to my truck and I locked the doors, and I

513
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:17.240
was like, what in the hell did I just see?

514
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:19.519
And I was like, that's bigfoot. That was bigfoot. There's

515
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:23.160
no to give you an idea. There's this this ranch

516
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:26.400
that I hunt in Texas, it's ninety five percent privately

517
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:28.240
owned land. So it's not like New York or other

518
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:30.559
states where there's public land to hunt. There's not a lot.

519
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:33.240
So what you do is to get a deer lease,

520
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:35.559
and usually it's from a rancher or somebody that owns

521
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:39.359
a property. This ranch in particular that I was hunting

522
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:43.519
is eleven thousand acres, and I hunt a small, small

523
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:48.559
portion of it by you know, by like just very small.

524
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:50.960
It's like two hundred acres that I hunt compared to

525
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:53.599
eleven thousand acres. Two hundreds. It's still a lot of land.

526
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:59.400
But you know, we're talking square miles here, and so

527
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:04.480
there's no houses. And the lease is also bordered by

528
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:09.079
a national federal National Wildlife fresh Refuge, So I know

529
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:15.559
there's no humans within many square miles of where I'm sitting, right.

530
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:19.519
I know there's there's a highway where it's obvious if

531
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:21.760
people are stopped, and that's it. The rest is private.

532
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:25.480
So when I leave, I'm like, all right, I'll look

533
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:28.559
there's a bridge where people would park. Maybe there's somebody there.

534
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:30.239
And they snuck on the property and walked all the

535
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.280
way down along the river, and they were sneaking and

536
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:35.039
doing something they shouldn't have been doing. No, no car.

537
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:37.320
And I paid attention to the whole time, the whole

538
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:40.079
time while I was leaving, to look for headlights or

539
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:43.559
break lights or anything that would indicate that it was

540
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:46.320
a person that shouldn't have been there. Nothing like that.

541
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:50.239
There's there was nothing parked alongside of the road to

542
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:53.920
indicate that anyone was there, and it just is. It's

543
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:59.519
a wild place, right, So I am convinced, convinced that

544
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:03.079
I saw a sasquatch.

545
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:06.760
Unless it's Yao Ming wearing like a giant black parka.

546
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.119
Who else is it going to be? That's that tall?

547
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:11.519
That's funny you say that Yao Ming does live in Houston.

548
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:17.559
That's what I mean, Like, literally, who else is it?

549
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:22.719
You know, there's no other simple explanation, right that it

550
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:24.920
wasn't like it was a game warden, which is possible,

551
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:29.320
right because they do make sure people are following the

552
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:31.239
laws and they can come out of the property and

553
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:35.360
observe you and things. And you know, at that point

554
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.000
though he would have identified himself and said I'm a

555
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:42.119
game warden because he ran, he would have turned on

556
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:44.599
his flashlight and said, you know, do you know what

557
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:46.519
property you are on or do you have the permission

558
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:48.119
to be here? Do you have a letter from the landowner?

559
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:51.199
Blah blah blah blah blah. Nothing like that happened. This

560
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:57.599
was this was you know when when in cartoons it's

561
00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:00.440
like two adversaries being like, what do you do here?

562
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:02.320
It was one of those moments, like what are you

563
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:02.880
doing here?

564
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.519
So he didn't feel threatened.

565
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:09.440
No, I still hunt out there. I had a.

566
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:11.719
Go ahead.

567
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:15.280
Sorry, no, no, no, I don't feel threatened out there. I

568
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.400
enjoy going out there. I feel very in fact, I

569
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:21.679
feel like it's a very peaceful place. And I crawl

570
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:27.360
through every corner of that place and I'll sit, I'll

571
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:31.800
sleep up against a tree. Is that smart because there's

572
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:34.960
hogs out there? Probably not. But most of the time

573
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:39.119
I'm armed, right, so I'm not terribly worried. I'm also

574
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:42.880
very careful. I'm not doing too many dumb things right.

575
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:46.440
But no, I feel very peaceful. I love it out there,

576
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:46.920
I think.

577
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.280
I mean like when you were face to face with

578
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:51.519
or went not face to face, but when you were

579
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:56.239
in proximity to it, you didn't feel threatened per se.

580
00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.880
No, I was alarmed, but I didn't like I was

581
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:06.800
going to be harmed. I didn't feel like I needed

582
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:08.480
to prepare for anything.

583
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:10.800
You know, I just got asked this question. That's why

584
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:14.000
I was like, I don't really know how I would react.

585
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:18.039
I mean, I've had encounters, but it's it's different like

586
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:20.159
if if all of a sudden, I was like, you know,

587
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:23.920
twenty feet away from how would I would I So

588
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:25.480
I was afraid. I don't know.

589
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:30.880
I was somewhere between thirty and forty yards, so not

590
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:34.239
fet right, Yeah, you know, which is a good distance

591
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:38.000
is but it's not that far either. No, it's it's

592
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:43.000
not it's not. But I can I can confidently say

593
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:48.000
I didn't feel like scared or threatened. I felt a

594
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:50.360
little confused because I didn't understand in the moment why

595
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:54.360
a hog stood up, you know what I mean? Right, Yeah,

596
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:57.840
so that was the first thing in their brain like just.

597
00:37:57.800 --> 00:37:59.400
Like short circuits a little You're.

598
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:04.760
Like, wait, yeah, no for real? And so it stood up,

599
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:08.480
and I was just like, I don't immediately went into

600
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:13.039
like confusion more than anything. Yeah, and surprise, surprise, I

601
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:15.679
would say, But you didn't feel threatened though.

602
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:20.159
Yeah, So like I'm convinced too that because it's such

603
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:27.440
a not normal thing, right, that your brain compensates kind

604
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:29.880
of like it does when it fills gaps, right when

605
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:33.840
you're like looking at things. So one of the one

606
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:39.000
of the things I'm finding in my research, and I'm

607
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:41.960
wondering if you are finding the same things.

608
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:42.280
Just the.

609
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:48.119
Like people. I don't know if it's trauma like some

610
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:51.679
of the class A stuff, Like, if it's trauma that

611
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:53.960
all of a sudden, it's like parts of their brain

612
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:56.559
are wiped almost, it's almost like.

613
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:58.360
A very classic trauma reaction, right.

614
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.320
Right, And so that that's what I'm thinking it is

615
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.400
it's trauma because a lot of people are like, oh wait, wait,

616
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.400
I forgot a crucial point, and then they tell you

617
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:09.239
and you're like, how the hell could you forget that?

618
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:13.599
I mean, but that's also that's just normal with witnesses, right,

619
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:19.000
Like human humans are notoriously unreliable witnesses, right, reliable.

620
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:19.480
Correct.

621
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.280
If there was four other people, five other people with

622
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:26.199
me in that moment and we al saw the same event,

623
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:32.280
you would get five different stories. So I think it's

624
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:36.440
You're right, it's probably a combination of trying to explain

625
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:41.239
things and fill in the gaps. Then there is probably

626
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:44.159
some trauma or something similar to trauma, something like.

627
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:46.400
You know, and I don't mean trauma is just the

628
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:50.000
lack of vocabulary. I guess, yeah, I understand.

629
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:55.559
And then also, you know, people just if you're surprised,

630
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:58.880
then you're trying to understand what's happening. Yeah, in the moment,

631
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:01.320
you're not thinking how tall is this? What are the details?

632
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:03.360
You're not logging that in your mind. You're not unless

633
00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:06.760
you're trained, and or at least you not even trained,

634
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:10.400
unless you've practiced right to be ready for that kind

635
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:15.079
of stuff. It's very it's nearly impossible to to to

636
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:20.840
capture those details consistently in the moment, right because your

637
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.679
your body and your is reacting, right, you have a

638
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:29.199
primal reaction to that kind of encounter, right.

639
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:33.320
Yeah, I mean I'm a veteran and I've been in

640
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:39.159
a yes, you could say, you know, like some sticky

641
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:42.480
situations and people are always like, well, why don't you

642
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:45.119
get pictures or why don't you have a picture or

643
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:49.840
why whatever? And I was like, well, first off, the

644
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:53.639
last thing on your mind is this may let me

645
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:56.199
grab my you know what I mean? Like to me,

646
00:40:56.599 --> 00:40:59.559
because I've been I don't even I carry it obviously,

647
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.000
but I don't even carry it out anymore. I'm like

648
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:07.639
whenever I'm doing because it doesn't I don't know, I

649
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:12.440
I just it's one of those things like you must

650
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:14.320
be asked this quite a bit though, is like why

651
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:17.559
is there what's the lack? Why is there such a

652
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:21.960
lack of photograph and video evidence of good video or

653
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:26.480
photographic evidence, Because I do it as a lout, and

654
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:30.559
we can take pictures of bears and uh, you know,

655
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.559
deer and all kinds of stuff out there. True, true,

656
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:35.800
What what do you think?

657
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:45.000
So I'll go I'll start with cameras first, and I'll

658
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:46.920
start there because I also you can see behind me.

659
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:50.880
I do a lot of wildlife photography. Yeah, so I uh,

660
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:54.239
you know, to get that orca behind me right here,

661
00:41:55.239 --> 00:42:00.199
it took you know, bursts of thousands of you know,

662
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:02.360
and that was one good photo. And I'm not a

663
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:08.880
professional by any means this hobby, right, But a cell

664
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:11.239
phone camera compared to the camera that I used to

665
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:14.760
get that photo are two very very different things. So

666
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:17.400
I see a lot of this and I have a

667
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:24.360
lot of submissions that are blobsquatchy simply because it was

668
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:26.559
taken with a cell phone. Camera that was zoomed in

669
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:29.400
from one hundred yards, and that lens is not made

670
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:32.800
for that. It just simply is not the right tool

671
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:36.440
to capture what you think you're capturing. It could be bigfoot,

672
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:42.360
but that picture is not gonna be proof positive right

673
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:45.719
with that cell phone camera. But the same thing to

674
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:48.440
be could be said with like the tool the camera

675
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:53.159
I use. You have to be ready, you have to

676
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:57.199
you know, you have to be experienced to use that correctly.

677
00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:01.199
And it really I get all kinds of blurry for still, right,

678
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:03.119
So those photos that you see of bears and.

679
00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:07.960
Things trying to take focus pictures and they're still blurry exactly.

680
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:12.159
So I think that the biggest one for me is

681
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:15.760
really it's the cell phones. Yeah, everybody's got a cell phone.

682
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:19.719
Why don't we have more pictures? Well, you know, try

683
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:21.440
to go in your backyard. Try to take a good

684
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:24.960
picture of a cat that's walking around at you know,

685
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:28.480
fifty yards, Take it steady and zoom in with your camera.

686
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:31.400
You're gonna it'll be a cat, but it'll be beyond blurry. Right.

687
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:33.519
And now think about it, if it's big foot hiding

688
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:35.159
behind a tree and all you see is a little

689
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:39.679
patch of burr, you know, so you.

690
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:43.800
See the parada and the red circle squatch.

691
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:50.119
It's frustrating. It's very frustrating for me because I'm like,

692
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:53.400
I want that, like, I want those things to be real,

693
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:55.559
and I'm sure people that post things like that have

694
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:57.880
had those experiences. I don't want to take that away

695
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:02.840
from somebody like that because I wasn't there. However, that's

696
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:05.280
not good evidence, and that's what the frustrating part is

697
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:07.639
because it's being put out there and it's just not

698
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:11.559
helping with the conclusions that people that aren't in the

699
00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:14.400
community draw. They're thinking like, oh, it's a bunch of

700
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:18.000
people like you said that just circle stuff in photos,

701
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:22.920
and so it's very frustrating, right. Yeah. The other thing

702
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:28.239
about why haven't we captured bigfoot on like a good

703
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:31.519
image would be trail cameras, right, So we're talking cell phones,

704
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:36.519
and then I always get trail camera questions, and trail

705
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:40.880
cameras aren't perfect. They're they're hard to get set up right.

706
00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:46.760
They have to be triggered consistently, and they're not consistent.

707
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:48.639
You can have a deer walk in front of a

708
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:53.079
trail camera four or five times and you'll get one picture, right,

709
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:56.199
the trigger is not always good. It's not not a

710
00:44:56.280 --> 00:45:03.360
precision piece of equipment. And and again they're just trail

711
00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:06.079
cameras are only going to be placed where hunters or

712
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:09.639
people who are using them want to walk to put

713
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:10.400
them right.

714
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:16.159
So there are actually some decent film and pictures from

715
00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:16.920
trail cams.

716
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:17.559
There are.

717
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:20.480
They're not perfect, but at the end of the day,

718
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:23.360
and some of their some of them are very subjective,

719
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:27.880
they are. There are some decent and you know as

720
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:31.400
well as I do being in the community, there's plenty

721
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:33.760
of photos that people don't share.

722
00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:38.719
I've seen some and so I've seen somewhere facial features.

723
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:43.880
Yes, So with that being said, I have you know,

724
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:47.599
you brought them up earlier. I have an interview with

725
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:52.480
Terry Wendel that I just published. Great dude, I don't

726
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:53.480
know if you know Terry.

727
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:55.280
No familiar name.

728
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:58.480
Familiar name, gotcha. So he was talking about and I

729
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:01.480
had a friend do the same thing, Scott Carpenter. You

730
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:06.760
know that name of course, legend right, Scott Carpenter had

731
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:10.199
where he would put stuff way up in trees, right,

732
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:14.480
And people were like, so this guy had a trail

733
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:19.000
cam up in a tree. About twelve thirteen feet up

734
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:23.639
pointing down. Now, I just made a TikTok because I

735
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:27.519
I you know, you produce shorts and then you post them.

736
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.480
So I have one on TikTok, and my one of

737
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:34.320
my daughters does my TikTok stuff. Right, it's got like

738
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:36.239
almost three hundred thousand views.

739
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:38.800
Right, I'm not on TikTok.

740
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:41.119
Maybe I should be, but they're like, but they're like,

741
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:45.280
you know, there's no picture, it didn't happen. Because he

742
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:50.159
tells the story right about how it caught the side

743
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:55.679
view of like what looks like a chimpanzee, but like

744
00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:57.960
only this much of it, but you can see like

745
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:01.079
the detail like hair, and it's just a very thing.

746
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:05.039
But there's actually a couple videos or a couple photos

747
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.400
like that that you can find on the internet, but

748
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.280
you have to dig dig dig for them. Can't find

749
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:14.639
this one. But everyone's just like everyone's got their troll comments. Right,

750
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:17.519
if there's no video or if there's no photo, it

751
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:18.239
didn't happen.

752
00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:20.159
Right.

753
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:23.480
What I'm here to say, and you can back that up,

754
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:28.920
is that there's plenty of people that don't want the notoriety.

755
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:33.559
They don't want any of it. They and and they

756
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:36.000
don't want to be called crazier being made fun of her.

757
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:41.119
Oh that's fake. So they either have trailcam footage, like

758
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:44.159
there's there's a guy have that that I know that

759
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:49.280
has trailcam footage and he will not will not release it.

760
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:54.320
I mean, I understand that point of view, right, And yeah,

761
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:58.039
So there's that's a great point that there's there's the

762
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:02.480
unreliability of technology. There's the knowledge of how to use

763
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:06.280
that technology correctly. There's the using the right piece of

764
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:09.360
technology for the right situation. And then let's say you

765
00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:12.280
had the perfect storm, you did everything correct and you

766
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:16.480
did get that evidence. Then then you're holding that photo

767
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:18.280
in your hand and you're looking and you're like, people

768
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:21.400
aren't gonna believe me, especially now because you can. People

769
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:24.039
are just gonna say it's anything. Yeah, so like that's

770
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:28.800
AI and you're like sure of having a Bigfoot specimen

771
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:33.280
live or dead. That's what we're gonna have to produce,

772
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:38.559
unfortunately for people to believe Bigfoot is a living, flesh

773
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:42.679
and blood creature. But I completely understand the point. I've

774
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:46.679
had conversations with people just like you where just like

775
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:49.679
you point out that you know, they showed me the

776
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:52.360
photo and I was like, I've never the one I

777
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:55.119
saw the photo I saw. I can't really say who.

778
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:57.239
They asked me not to share them, their name or

779
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:00.239
anything about them. But what I can say is is

780
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:05.760
the photo I saw. If everyone that is a non

781
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:08.440
doesn't believe in Bigfoot or doesn't believe that Bigfoot is

782
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:13.440
out there, saw this photo, there would be a national

783
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:17.000
craze for finding not that there isn't already, but there

784
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:21.000
would be no non believers out there because this photo

785
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:24.840
is literally you can see its lips in the photo.

786
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:28.599
It's if this is a real photo, which I do

787
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:31.079
believe it is this, this person has not shared it,

788
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:33.559
they don't intend on sharing it, and if they ever do,

789
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:40.039
they're going to be I doubt they'll share it. Let

790
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:42.639
me put it that way. Yeah, so it's this thing.

791
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:48.280
When he showed me, I was just like, I was floored.

792
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:52.079
So yeah, I get that. I get why people are

793
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:53.159
hesitant to do.

794
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:56.280
That, especially if they're in the community, because they know

795
00:49:56.440 --> 00:50:01.760
what it will create, right, and it's not something good. Actually,

796
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:05.440
I am a firm believer that I don't care if

797
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:06.960
people believe because I do.

798
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:08.920
I don't care the same.

799
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:12.320
People because the people that I want to believe that

800
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:15.800
that that I want to believe, you know what I'm saying.

801
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:21.599
I can't say right that I want to believe that

802
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:27.480
it's true. I already believe right, right, And and we

803
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:31.679
go have fun in the woods and you know, try

804
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:33.639
and film stuff and do all kinds of stuff. And

805
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:38.199
I firm believer that they avoid cameras so very well.

806
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:41.320
I mean, I use I actually use trailcams as a

807
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:47.920
deterrent when when when we're doing research trips, I'll have

808
00:50:48.039 --> 00:50:52.719
my tent and I'll put I'll set up like you know,

809
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:56.920
because I'm a military guy overlapping fields of fire, right,

810
00:50:57.639 --> 00:50:59.440
but I do that with trail cams.

811
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.199
Makes sense. We have no blind spots.

812
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:12.119
And driveway the infrared driveway alerts, and I haven't had

813
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:13.280
an issue since.

814
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:17.719
It's funny that you mentioned infrared. Humans. I just read

815
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:21.360
about this. Humans have the necessary proteins or whatever you

816
00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.760
want to call them, alleles proteins. I'm not a biologist,

817
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:28.639
So we have whatever is necessary in our eyes, the

818
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:33.599
structures to see infrared, but for some reason or another

819
00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:37.559
just not activated. Right. So if we have that right

820
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:41.360
and to support that, I'll happily share the article I

821
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:43.800
read because I'm people are gonna be like, this guy

822
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:47.639
is conjecture, but this is a real article I read

823
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:51.840
and so which made me think the other day, if

824
00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:54.920
we have or could possibly have those structures that we

825
00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:57.559
need to see infrared, who's to say that Bigfoot doesn't

826
00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:03.159
and have there and they're functioning. And that's why it's

827
00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:08.079
like a beacon for Bigfoot is an infrared trail camera sensor, right,

828
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:12.119
because it's just because it's like daylight practically, right. So

829
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:16.039
and I thought that before, but after I didn't push

830
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:17.519
it too much because it was just kind of a

831
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:19.760
theory of thought that I had. Then I read this

832
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:23.039
article and I was like, maybe that's what's happening.

833
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:26.639
So I'm pretty convinced that they can see in the infrared.

834
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:29.960
That's just and it might not be like a you know,

835
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:34.119
like people think it's a predator, yeah no, or or

836
00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:37.559
that it's literally like night vision, right, I mean, because

837
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:42.960
we know cats have very good night vision, right, and

838
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:46.960
that's got to be some if it it doesn't have

839
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:50.159
to be infrared, it can be infrared adjacent. There's like

840
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:51.159
that that.

841
00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:52.239
Spectrum, it's the spectrum.

842
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:54.960
I mean, let's be honest, we only see this much

843
00:52:55.719 --> 00:53:00.920
right of the spectrum, right, I know, my get my audiences.

844
00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:06.119
Here's me say this ad nauseum, because it is it's

845
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:10.800
like we literally get we literally can see like I

846
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:13.079
used to say, like a seventh and I don't know

847
00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:15.559
where I heard that, but it's even less than that. Actually,

848
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:20.519
it's like it's literally like one percent of I believe

849
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:24.119
that of the electromagnetic spectrum, because that's that's what we're

850
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:29.159
talking about, right, the electromagnetic spectrum, and that encompasses light

851
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:33.320
as well, right, and so uh yeah, I mean there's

852
00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:37.440
radio waves, there's microwaves, there's gamma rate, you know, all

853
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:42.039
these things that's all in that spectrum, and we literally

854
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:44.480
see like a thumb, you know.

855
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:48.960
It's yeah. So its so I guess we wound around

856
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:51.519
to that from your question all the way to maybe

857
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:54.039
bigfoot can see in for red. But I think you

858
00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:56.199
know that that's they all kind of it's all kind

859
00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:58.960
of related when you're talking about cameras and trail cameras

860
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:02.320
and things like that. And then they're smart, right, they

861
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:06.679
know what a man made object looks like. And uh,

862
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:09.559
you know, if there's a big, boxy trail camera strapped

863
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:12.159
to a tree on a trail that they know like

864
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:15.760
the back of their hand. They're going to notice it

865
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:16.920
and they're going to avoid it.

866
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:18.000
Right, maybe even hear it.

867
00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:20.679
Oh yeah, a lot of animals here the shutter right

868
00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:25.280
or the absolutely. I mean, I have pictures of deer

869
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:27.840
that were walking by the shutter goes off and they're

870
00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:30.440
this right in the camera, you know, looking right at

871
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:30.800
the camera.

872
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:38.079
So yeah, so it there's who knows what's going on there?

873
00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:42.119
It's a I mean, I'm I'm kind of doing an

874
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:46.039
experiment where we're going back because the best piece of

875
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:51.000
footage that exists is the Patterson Gimlin film, right, and

876
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:56.719
that is done with old school film analog. Yeah, you know,

877
00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:01.599
so I've been I've been doing EVP as well with tape.

878
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:08.559
Oh not with digital mm hmm. And I mean sometimes

879
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:13.519
tapes can have artifacts, absolutely, but you know, I try

880
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:15.480
to use this. It's hard to find though.

881
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:21.199
Not yet I work. Interestingly enough, a lot of the

882
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:25.320
data that we transcribe in my day job is stored

883
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:28.280
on tapes because you could you could store a ton

884
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:34.119
of data on tapes, right, But again, the tapes go bad, right,

885
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:37.239
They they only have a certain lifespan, and there's a

886
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:41.679
lot of ways to store that media, that no humidity

887
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:44.599
is best, all those types of things that go along

888
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:49.239
with keeping it in the best condition to be used.

889
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:55.280
So I would love to have like older film. I'm

890
00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:58.280
not saying like the camcorder on your shoulder, you know

891
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:01.800
what I mean? I don't because it's still electronic, but

892
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:05.400
it's a different media. And and who knows. I mean,

893
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:09.559
I don't know what what. I don't know if you're

894
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:12.559
you know, in what camp or if you're in no

895
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:15.199
camp meaning flesh and bone.

896
00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:18.599
I get asked, I don't happy to talk about that.

897
00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:21.960
Are we are we in the Wuville? I'm I am,

898
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:27.440
I am all of it. Frankly, I don't. I will

899
00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:32.199
not discount any of it because everybody has their experiences,

900
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:36.280
right yep. And who's to say too that we're talking

901
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:38.119
about the same things.

902
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:40.920
We might not be, right. I don't never know, right,

903
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:43.119
I don't know. I think, I don't want to presume

904
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:49.079
to know. But I'm happy to say what camp camp

905
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:50.440
quote the camp thoughts.

906
00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:53.360
Well, some people get dogmatic about it. But I don't

907
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:55.400
think you're one of those people. I just not at

908
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:58.559
all at all. You know, some people are, some big

909
00:56:58.679 --> 00:56:59.880
names are and you're like.

910
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:03.360
Oh, right, right, So I'm not. But I do have

911
00:57:03.400 --> 00:57:06.679
my own thoughts, but I keep those thoughts in my

912
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:10.000
bias out of the data set first and foremost perfect,

913
00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:13.320
that doesn't mean right. So if there's a paranormal leaning

914
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:18.840
report that stays in right, and simply through the approach

915
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:22.159
that we take on the analysis, like a big data

916
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:25.760
analysis approach, we're going to find the overarching trend. So

917
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:29.679
if there's only one report that's paranormal leaning outside in

918
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:33.639
fourteen thousand reports, that's not going to be a finding. Generally.

919
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:35.599
It's probably going to fall out of the data set.

920
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:41.639
Still may be correct, but it's not part of the meat. Right,

921
00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:46.639
that's not the most occurring event in the data set.

922
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:49.480
But okay, so that's one thing I definitely keep my

923
00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:52.719
bias out of it. I don't, aside from spammers that

924
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:55.239
are just trolls, you know, putting stuff in there here

925
00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:57.320
and there, which doesn't happen too often, but it does.

926
00:57:57.480 --> 00:57:59.679
Surprisingly, it doesn't happen that often.

927
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:02.000
No, it really doesn't. I get. I mean, I got

928
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:04.239
it's kids more than anything. I just got a letter

929
00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:06.559
an email from a fifth grade teacher and they were

930
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:09.119
looking at the thing and the some kid put you know,

931
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:12.119
he's really upset. He's like I put, I put a

932
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:13.760
report in there. I thought it was being funny and

933
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:16.800
like he hand wrote an apology letter and the teacher

934
00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:18.159
scanned it and sent it to me, and I was

935
00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:23.280
cracking up, right, So I thought it was really funny.

936
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:24.679
But I don't get a lot of that, right, I

937
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:29.199
think people, and when I do, it's obvious. It's very obvious, right,

938
00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:33.119
So those get called out. Aside from that, anything that's

939
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:39.760
a valid report stays in and then so that's the

940
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:41.880
database side of it. Now my personal side of it,

941
00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:46.039
do I What do I think about Bigfoot? Given my

942
00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:50.920
background as you can see behind me, I'm very animal focused, right,

943
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:54.360
have a conservation biology as a minor, so I'm not

944
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:58.599
a true biologist. I'm more of a biology biology influenced

945
00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:05.199
gis guy. I think Bigfoot is probably more flesh and

946
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:09.000
blood than paranormal. I'm happy to be wrong, right, This

947
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:14.280
is just my personal theory. There's reasons I think that

948
00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:17.960
because of what I've read in reports and their behaviors

949
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:21.280
and where they are found, and the parallels I see

950
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:27.000
to existing wildlife. Absolutely, but also going back to my experience,

951
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:31.920
Bigfoot didn't teleport or turn into an orb and float

952
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:35.559
off when I saw it, it ran away. So I'm also

953
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:39.039
basing it on personal experience, backed up by things I

954
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:42.920
read and things I know about nature. Right, So I'm

955
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:45.800
not saying I'm right, but that's just what I think.

956
00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:49.519
And I want to find out what's really going on,

957
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:52.159
And that's a really big part of the project, right,

958
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:55.719
so that whatever I think, I'm smart enough and able

959
00:59:56.920 --> 00:59:59.679
and disciplined enough to keep my bias out of the analysis.

960
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:00.639
I do right.

961
01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:06.280
Absolutely, Like I know, like I wear different hats, like

962
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:09.000
I'm able to do that. Some people aren't for some reason,

963
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:13.719
but I'm able, right, Yeah, they do. But like when

964
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:16.519
I'm out in the woods, I'm looking for a flesh

965
01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:19.239
and blood animal.

966
01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:20.039
Period.

967
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:25.719
If other stuff happens, then it happens. But I am

968
01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:29.679
treating it as though it is a wild a wild

969
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:33.400
animal or I don't have to say wild animal, but

970
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:39.440
and an animal or or you know, human like entity

971
01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:40.480
or whatever.

972
01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:44.519
Whatever you want to call it. The hominid animal. Yeah,

973
01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:46.559
I mean, at the end of the day, we're all animals, right,

974
01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:46.920
I mean.

975
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:48.559
At the end of the day, to two of the

976
01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:56.679
two of my biggest uh encounters shockingly sounded like apes.

977
01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:01.519
The sounds that were made sounded just like a freaking

978
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:02.920
ape of some sort.

979
01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:04.079
I believe that.

980
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:07.840
And at the end of the day, you can't take that,

981
01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:13.360
you know, when you're talking about there's no apes in

982
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:16.079
the woods in Pennsylvania, They're just no.

983
01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:18.800
But there are populations of monkeys in Florida.

984
01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:20.719
There, right, correct, There are?

985
01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:22.920
Yeah, I learned that last year.

986
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:26.559
Which is crazy, but I understand. I understand why and

987
01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:32.840
where they came from. Lots of uh, Bigfoot sightings or

988
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:35.199
skunk ape whatever you want to call Florida. You know what,

989
01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:37.400
they are in Florida too, But that's like one of

990
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:41.559
those big spots. If you look at your map over

991
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:44.760
you're like, holy crap. I mean it's in the more

992
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:49.159
remote you know, in between.

993
01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:54.039
Between the coasts, right yeah, yeah, and down southwest part

994
01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:54.800
of Florida too.

995
01:01:55.159 --> 01:01:58.519
But how many overall sightings do you have in the database?

996
01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:00.360
You said fourteen thousand, But does.

997
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:06.280
That that's ish ballpark? Yeah, fourteen thousand roughly and growing

998
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:11.079
the crowdsourcing portion of the map. So anything that's been

999
01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:14.920
submitted directly to the Bigfoot Mapping project over the last

1000
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:19.679
few years, we have about just over thirteen hundred reports

1001
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:21.960
that we've received that are new to the community, right,

1002
01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:24.239
that weren't in any other databases they are.

1003
01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:25.199
That's cool.

1004
01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:28.039
Thirteen hundred so that's I mean, that's a good average

1005
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:30.119
over three years or so.

1006
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:30.920
That's awesome.

1007
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:34.920
Well, I guess four years now and to twenty twenty,

1008
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:37.280
so roughly four years. Yeah, time flies, But.

1009
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:40.400
That's impressive. That's cool.

1010
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:41.920
Yeah, if you do the math, it's a few hundred

1011
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:42.719
reports a year.

1012
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:47.119
Yeah, I mean so, so now, this is one of

1013
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:53.119
my questions that I was mulling. How big of a

1014
01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:56.119
population do you think we're talking about in the United States?

1015
01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:56.800
Ish?

1016
01:02:57.199 --> 01:03:02.480
And as a as a biologist that knows enough to

1017
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:07.440
be danger that knows enough to be dangerous, right, what

1018
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:08.119
do we think?

1019
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:14.400
Ish? That's a good question, I would say, And I

1020
01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:17.119
think I'm probably in line with Jeff Meldrum on this.

1021
01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:23.239
If I had to guess in the lower forty eight,

1022
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:31.719
I would say eight to ten thousand bigfoot total, gotcha scattered?

1023
01:03:32.239 --> 01:03:34.559
I think you're about right. I think that's that's the

1024
01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:36.000
realm that I'm in as well.

1025
01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:39.760
And I mean, if you it's that's a tough one.

1026
01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:44.440
It's actually really tough because to estimate a population you

1027
01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:48.039
really have to understand behavior. And if these are as

1028
01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:52.559
far ranging as they people think they are, are the

1029
01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:58.239
reports that you know are far apart along the timeline

1030
01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:01.280
the same bigfoot? Right? It very well could be. It

1031
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:03.400
could be footprints from the same bigfoot. It could be

1032
01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:09.800
you know, holse treeknox, et cetera, from the same Bigfoot.

1033
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:15.199
So how do you know that, right without really studying

1034
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:18.880
a population like we would normally normally study happened?

1035
01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:21.400
Though in certain spots they've got prints that they can

1036
01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:25.480
show that they're the same animal, Yes, like ten twelve

1037
01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:27.079
years apart.

1038
01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:29.679
Right exactly. So that's exactly what I'm trying trying to

1039
01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:33.800
point out. It's you know, so let's say we found

1040
01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:38.440
a footprint here from that same bigfoot, and ten years

1041
01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:42.159
later we found another one that stayed over. You know,

1042
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:46.239
how do we gauge that population? So that's very tough,

1043
01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:53.360
But I think just just gut feeling based on number

1044
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:57.719
of reports averaging per year. One analysis I did that

1045
01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:02.320
gives me an idea on this is it was kind

1046
01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:05.519
of an interesting way of looking at it, I think,

1047
01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:08.559
and maybe it was a bit abstract, but I looked

1048
01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:13.079
at reports that occurred on the same day in the database,

1049
01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:16.599
and I connected them with a straight line, and I

1050
01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:20.559
measured how far apart they were, so I could determine,

1051
01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:24.159
all right, that's if it's under a certain distance, could

1052
01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:27.000
it be the same Bigfoot? Could they have traveled that

1053
01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:29.760
distance in the same day, And if it's over a

1054
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:33.079
certain distance, it's obviously not the same Bigfoot, right, So

1055
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:36.760
that gives you an idea of individuals that were seen

1056
01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:38.400
on the same day. And you do that through the

1057
01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:40.920
whole database over fourteen thousand stings. That kind of gives

1058
01:05:40.920 --> 01:05:46.400
you a good idea of individuals simply because of the

1059
01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:48.440
fact that something can't be in the same place or

1060
01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:54.599
in the same vicinity within reason, you know, or if

1061
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:57.159
they're so far apart. There's no way Bigfoot traveled five

1062
01:05:57.239 --> 01:06:00.679
hundred miles in six hours something like that.

1063
01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:03.239
So unless it can turn into an orb.

1064
01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:09.280
Well that possibility aside, Yes, exactly, the flesh. Yeah, So

1065
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:11.320
that's how I did look at it, and that's what

1066
01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:15.960
really kind of pushed me towards that number. Extrapolating a bit, oh,

1067
01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:19.760
because you have to, right, there's no yeah, you have to.

1068
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:22.639
So I think we're right close to that though.

1069
01:06:22.599 --> 01:06:29.599
Probably absolutely So what all right? So I'm looking at

1070
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:33.639
at your map too, and we've got, uh, what's going

1071
01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:36.559
on with other countries? Do you have anything in the

1072
01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:39.800
mix with those with different like can't I see you

1073
01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:44.519
have stuff in Canada, which makes sense, right, right, but

1074
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:50.280
like what about other countries? Have you had talks? I mean,

1075
01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:52.840
what would that even take? You know what I mean?

1076
01:06:53.679 --> 01:06:57.119
I mean, it's interesting that you've asked about that. I

1077
01:06:57.280 --> 01:06:58.880
haven't had time to look through it and get it

1078
01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:03.320
into the map, but I just received a database for Australia.

1079
01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:07.440
I'm working with the Cryptied Women's Society. They they are

1080
01:07:07.559 --> 01:07:09.719
very interested in helping with the big Foot Mapping Project

1081
01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:18.360
and collaborating and they're amazing, insane, very enthusiastic, very supportive. Yeah,

1082
01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:21.280
and I've learned a whole bunch from them. We chatted

1083
01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:26.280
for hours before Christmas, and uh, we're I'm going to

1084
01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:28.559
try and put something together for them so that they

1085
01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:31.239
can capture more reports in their region. But it will

1086
01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:34.920
also supplement the big Foot Mapping Project database.

1087
01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:37.760
Gotcha, because I love that's Australia. I love that you

1088
01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:41.800
have the well I'm assuming you put these in there

1089
01:07:41.960 --> 01:07:45.480
about like the little snippets in certain parts of the

1090
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:49.039
you know, like like Brazil, for example, you have you know,

1091
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:53.360
like an engraving found article by Christopher you know, like

1092
01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:57.800
an article about something that's bigfoot, like right.

1093
01:07:58.239 --> 01:07:59.920
Oh yeah, that's Kerry kil Murray.

1094
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:03.159
That okay, that's so yeah.

1095
01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:05.639
If you hit the legend wherever I got the data from,

1096
01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:08.079
I credit them in the in the legend in the map,

1097
01:08:08.760 --> 01:08:09.320
so you know.

1098
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:12.119
You can see the screw the data came from, like

1099
01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:17.479
down in Mexico, you know, it talks about either local

1100
01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:20.720
newspapers or just cool I think, so at least there's

1101
01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:22.199
something which is neat.

1102
01:08:22.520 --> 01:08:26.359
So yeah, other countries are tough because I think bigfoot

1103
01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:28.800
is such a North American phenomenon as far as like

1104
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:33.640
pop culture and popularity, and there's a language barrier for

1105
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:38.039
like the website in general. Yeah, right, right, right, and.

1106
01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:42.680
So many oh my gosh, just different regulations and right right.

1107
01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:45.159
Although I do get a lot of traffic from Russia

1108
01:08:45.319 --> 01:08:48.680
on my analytics, interestingly enough, I do.

1109
01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:51.920
That's pretty no.

1110
01:08:52.039 --> 01:08:58.800
But I've had some sightings in Europe that have been reported. Australia,

1111
01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:04.199
for sure, there's one in India that's very interesting. South

1112
01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:10.199
America is surprisingly blank, and I think I attribute to

1113
01:09:10.239 --> 01:09:13.359
some that some of that to a language barrier. But

1114
01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:16.079
I don't know what's going on there. I don't have

1115
01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:21.119
good insight into why, you know, maybe what's really why

1116
01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:24.039
there's not bigfoot reports, or at least why I'm not

1117
01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:24.640
receiving them.

1118
01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:30.359
Yeah, I mean there is, you know, legends of bigfoot

1119
01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:34.239
like creatures there. Actually they're more like I almost feel

1120
01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:37.119
like they're more like a ground slock type thing than

1121
01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:43.199
than necessarily a bigfoot, right at least from what I've seen.

1122
01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:47.039
Yeah, you know, I don't. I don't have a good

1123
01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:49.000
knowledge based on that because I haven't read a lot

1124
01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:52.920
aside from like what I can find on the internet,

1125
01:09:53.039 --> 01:09:55.039
as far as like I don't have a database to

1126
01:09:55.079 --> 01:09:59.560
refer to like I do for the States, which is

1127
01:09:59.640 --> 01:10:01.720
unfortun I hope, I hope it becomes more of a

1128
01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:05.239
global repository. Would be cool. The infrastructure is there, it

1129
01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:08.119
could happen. It just needs to get some traction and.

1130
01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:11.960
Get I'm excited about this Australia thing though. That's pretty

1131
01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:13.159
cool me too.

1132
01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:15.920
Keep your eyes peeled. That'll be coming out soon. I'll

1133
01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:19.479
dump that into the map and get it symbolized massage

1134
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:21.880
to make sure it fits and Q see it and

1135
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:25.399
then get and I'll publish that in both apps, so

1136
01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:27.600
it'll be in the new map in the classic map.

1137
01:10:28.840 --> 01:10:34.439
Amazing. Well, Scott, I could talk to you all night.

1138
01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:37.640
I just I told you I'm a talking.

1139
01:10:37.640 --> 01:10:41.560
I looked at the time and I'm I've got to

1140
01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:45.159
be cognizant of your time and my time. So yes,

1141
01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:49.319
I again again, we could probably talk for another hour

1142
01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:55.760
at least. But with that being said, thank you so

1143
01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:57.800
much for coming on my pleasure.

1144
01:10:57.840 --> 01:10:59.760
I hope I answered all your questions.

1145
01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:03.199
And and some more so I but I you know,

1146
01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:06.079
and of course I have more questions.

1147
01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:07.680
But well, maybe we'll.

1148
01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:11.680
Just take you two. Yeah, absolutely, So I want you

1149
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:15.079
to tell everyone where they can find you, what's the

1150
01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:19.720
best and also two things, two more things, but we'll

1151
01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:21.239
say where can people find you?

1152
01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:24.640
Okay, people can find me. The best place to really

1153
01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:27.079
get a hold of me and see anything that I'm

1154
01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:33.159
publishing is Instagram. It's just at Bigfoot Mapping Project. The

1155
01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:35.680
second place you could go to interact with the maps

1156
01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:38.680
and actually get into the data is bigfootmap dot com.

1157
01:11:40.359 --> 01:11:42.560
And if you need to reach out directly and you

1158
01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:45.199
don't have Instagram or anything like that. You can always

1159
01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:48.000
reach me at Scott at bigfootmap dot com. That's a

1160
01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:56.119
designated email I've got for anything you want to talk about, right, reports, questions,

1161
01:11:56.399 --> 01:12:00.640
sharing data, whatever it may be. Those are the ways

1162
01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:02.479
to get a hold of me, and I'll do my

1163
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:04.720
best to get back to you in a reasonable amount

1164
01:12:04.720 --> 01:12:07.960
of time. But we were talking before the episode. I

1165
01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:11.119
have a young kid and it's uh and I'm quite

1166
01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:14.279
busy will work, so just be patient. I will I

1167
01:12:14.319 --> 01:12:17.079
will get back to you. I will always do my best,

1168
01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:20.159
absolutely so.

1169
01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:24.119
Then the last thing, since the name of this podcast

1170
01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:29.600
is broadcasting seeds. What what could you what sort of

1171
01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:33.920
seed could you plant in my audience's mind to just

1172
01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:38.319
get them getting down a rabbit hole, you know what

1173
01:12:38.319 --> 01:12:41.079
I mean, like something that you've been thinking about, or

1174
01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:46.239
or or something with bigfoot whatever. But talk to seed

1175
01:12:46.279 --> 01:12:47.439
in these folks's mind.

1176
01:12:47.960 --> 01:12:54.800
I will plant a seed. Let's see. Go to bigfootmap

1177
01:12:54.840 --> 01:13:00.000
dot com and look at the classic map we were

1178
01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:02.479
talking about it earlier. All those points on a map,

1179
01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:08.079
there's about fourteen thousand of them, And just peruse around

1180
01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:10.960
the map and try and soak up just how many

1181
01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:14.319
points there are. Scroll around look look where they are.

1182
01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:17.720
And then as you're looking at it in the context

1183
01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:22.720
of Bigfoot, just think if one if one of those

1184
01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:29.600
points is Bigfoot. Bigfoot is real. Period. All it takes

1185
01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:34.720
is one confirmed, real report for Bigfoot to exist. So

1186
01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:38.560
that's the seed. It's just one one encounter.

1187
01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:42.760
Yeah, and you have fourteen thousand of them, so.

1188
01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:46.159
Odds are pretty pretty high.

1189
01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:49.960
What's that called? What's the ah man? I wish I

1190
01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:56.239
could remember, like the probability? I can't remember it. It's

1191
01:13:56.439 --> 01:14:03.880
never mind, Scott, It's a pleasure, and uh, and we

1192
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:05.720
will have to do it again, for sure.

1193
01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:10.079
Absolutely. I had a great time. It went very quickly, honestly.

1194
01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:11.760
Did anytime I talked big for it?

1195
01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:14.560
Just I know, anytime I start getting down those rabbit

1196
01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:16.960
trails and getting I just get so into it that

1197
01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:19.000
I don't even realize that the minutes are flying by.

1198
01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:22.680
So for sure, I'm really I'm really happy that you

1199
01:14:22.760 --> 01:14:25.520
invited me. I'm very grateful. I think this is a

1200
01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:28.239
great conversation and uh, I can't wait to hear what

1201
01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:30.359
your listeners think and the questions they come up with.

1202
01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:35.920
Awesome, So good, Yes we'll talk soon, Yes.

1203
01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:42.720
Sir, Yeah, I got bad thoughts that make my mind scared,

1204
01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:45.680
hold me hostage, and they don't fight fair, Who don't

1205
01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:46.279
pray for me?

1206
01:14:46.319 --> 01:14:48.600
And white on my task? Who gonna save me?

1207
01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:51.560
If you not right here, move this darkness and make

1208
01:14:51.640 --> 01:14:54.319
my sight clear. Take me your way because I don't

1209
01:14:54.439 --> 01:14:55.039
like you.

1210
01:14:55.039 --> 01:14:56.319
Go stop my past.

1211
01:14:56.079 --> 01:14:58.279
Day Villa in the night, Yeah, wake me yup and

1212
01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:19.960
shocked in my nightmass. We trapped in my Nightmas, drowning,

1213
01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:23.199
drowning our move the deeping apparitions of.

1214
01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:26.640
All my demons, all my thoughts are come, making treason

1215
01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:31.720
all alone. I'm going hear me screaming manifestations of my fears,

1216
01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:34.159
regrets that stretched out for light years.

1217
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:36.439
You can almost touch the light hoies.

1218
01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:39.399
Right there, body free by trapping my Nightmas.

1219
01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:43.039
I'm don't let me you a life of fad.

1220
01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:48.279
All my life is faith, All my life is face.

1221
01:15:48.119 --> 01:15:50.960
And that you don't miss, Jenny.

1222
01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:52.920
My life is facing.

1223
01:15:54.119 --> 01:16:08.319
My life is fading, pac Man. We need shutting my lightness.

1224
01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:08.560
We