Feb. 27, 2025

Tom Vernon - From The UAP Files

Tom Vernon - From The UAP Files
Tom Vernon - From The UAP Files
The Broadcasting Seeds Podcast
Tom Vernon - From The UAP Files

Meet Tom Vernon – Co-Host of The UAP Files Podcast! Tom is your guide into the enigmatic world of UFOs and UAPs, bringing curiosity, insight, and a passion for unraveling the unknown. When he's not diving into unexplained aerial phenomena, you'll find...

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Meet Tom Vernon – Co-Host of The UAP Files Podcast! Tom is your guide into the enigmatic world of UFOs and UAPs, bringing curiosity, insight, and a passion for unraveling the unknown. When he's not diving into unexplained aerial phenomena, you'll find him shredding on the guitar or getting lost in the world of gaming. Connect with Tom on Instagram or join the conversation in The UAP Files Discord. Get ready for deep dives, compelling evidence, and mind-expanding discussions as we explore the mysteries beyond our skies. Links https://www.youtube.com/@UC63KQfZzjGC4vywpoVcOPnQ https://www.youtube.com/@UAPFilesPodcast instagram.com/uap_files podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/uapfiles FOLLOW US ON OUR SOCIALS 👣👻🛸 Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/broadcastingseeds FaceBook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61561713101798 X - https://x.com/BCSeedsPodcast LISTEN TO THE PODCAST Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-broadcasting-seeds-podcast/id1754460480 Spreaker - https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-broadcasting-seeds-podcast--6402290/support. Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/2EUqA7cL5B4mFolSZwOsTY?si=9f693826971f49eb High Strangeness Supernatural Paranormal Podcast #Paranormal #supernatural #cryptid #UAP #alien

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All right, we are live, Tom. Tell us who you

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are and what you do?

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Man.

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Well, great to be here, man. So oh my god.

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First of all, let me assure everybody I'm not crazy.

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And it's such a loaded question.

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So granted you've known me for like ten seconds, but

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I do promise you I'm not crazy, aside from what

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I'm about to tell you. So I long story short,

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I did like twenty five years in hospitality, working in

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big fancy hotels, looking after lots of rich people and

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nice people and horrible people, and lots of service and

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all that sort of stuff as sort of mid level management.

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I've also worked for like Bentley the car company, and

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I've had all sorts of crazy little jobs. I worked

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for games workshop, making space marines and and all this

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kind of stuff. But I was pretty set on the

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hospitality ladder, if you like, if it is a ladder.

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I got to the level where I was kind of

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second in charge of big, big fancy hotels, and then

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I had a weird encounter and it just jumped me

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off the rails and put me on a whole different

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set and yeah, yeah, exactly, and yeah, just like the

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fresh Princess, my life got flipped turned upside down and

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now I'm now I'm a little weirdo that makes videos

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about weird stuff, so in a nutshell, Yeah, So, I

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mean I've always had a huge interest. I've always I

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was always that kid that was like obsessed by whatever

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he was into. So initially it was like fighter play

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and I could I could name all the US fighter

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planes and all this, and then and it was like

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dinosaurs before that. So I think that helped or made

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me weirder, because as soon as things did start getting

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interesting for me, I was just like, I need to

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know everything about this field because I'd never really had

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much of an interest in it previously. I was very

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boots on the ground. Science is king, and so the

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space shuttle take off when I was little, that was amazing.

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But then when things start getting weird and you're you

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have to go through that ontological shock they call it,

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where your worldview changes. Then you've got a lot of

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self discovery to do first before you even start thinking

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about what's going on outside you you know and stuff.

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So it's it's been a hell of a ride over

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the last couple of years.

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Yeah, So what so tell us what you like your

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you have a show. Yeah I do, Yeah, tell us,

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tell us where we can find you. I like to

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do that at the beginning and at the end.

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Okay, so I ride two horses. So I will get

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into kind of how I got there, because it's part

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of the weird story, is is how I came to

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be making videos. But I've got my own YouTube channel,

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tom Byrne and UAP and on that I make just

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documentaries and sort of deep dives into anything to do

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with consciousness and UAP and UFOs and history in particular cases,

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and basically I just wing it and I make I

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figured that since I was so obsessed by this stuff,

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there's a lot of people out there. I'm no special

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little flower that's unique. There must be other people that

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are interested in it too, and a lot of people

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just haven't got the free time to go digging through

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the CIA reading room and stuff like that. So I thought,

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if I am researching a particular thing, I may as

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well make a little video about it and put it

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out there. So so that's what I do. But I'm

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also co host on the UAP Files podcast, which is

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again like that's that's what I'll kind of get round

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to tell him because that's that's how I ended up

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doing my own stuff. It was after I'd had so

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I may as well just start from the beginning.

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So absolutely, go go there.

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Yeah man, So so I had a perfectly normal childhood

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and yeah, well I did have a weird thing happened

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when I was a little kid. I saw a ghost.

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But that's that's another story that really it really stuck

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with me. Like you know how most memories kind of

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fade or whatever with time, Like that's I can still

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remember that crystal clear now as if it was yesterday.

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And then, god, what's probably like twenty five years ago.

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My mom had a shared death experience with her As

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her parents died, she saw people in the room and

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she was describing that she'd always had like this anti

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that everyone was like, oh, she'll she can she can

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stop your headaches, and she can tell your future and

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all this kind of stuff. But then she had this

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experience where her dad was passing on my granddad and

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she was like, I think I'm having a mental break

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because there's a little dog sat on the end of

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the bed, and like she would she described this little dog,

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and one of her sisters pulled out this old black

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and white photograph and was like, does it look like

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she'd described it perfectly? And she's like that's his dog,

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Like that's his old dog from when he was young

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and stuff. And then and then these people were coming

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in the room, and she was like obviously freaked out.

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It's incredible, highest stress you can be under when you're

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losing a parent. But she was describing perfectly these relatives

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that she'd never met, and the older family in the

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room would going like Jesus Christ, that's old uncle Peter

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and you know, and all this kind of stuff. Oh

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that hicked the door open is the only way I

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can describe it for her. And she's now a very

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successful psychic medium. She's worked with the police and identified

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suicide victims that have no idea or nothing on them

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and wild stuff like that. And I was very skeptical

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at first, but like, I mean, oh, this was that

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was probably twenty five years ago, so I was about

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twenty when, so.

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You know, relatively you know, grown. So yeah, well yeah,

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that's a shock in itself.

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You're telling me to yes, I mean.

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Like talking about world exploding a little.

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Bit massively, yeah, so, I I mean we could go

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for ages about the whole psychic thing, honestly, because I

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started from a point of extreme skepticism. And obviously you

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know it's somebody that you love him intensely, your mum.

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But I was like, is there more going on here

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than you know what you think? Like, are you under

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some sort of impression of people? Are you incredibly good

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at reading the room? Or you know what's going on?

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But I will give you I'll give you a quick example.

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Why not? Because this I had two absolute breakthrough moments

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for me, and I challenge anybody to not at least

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think that that's gives you more reason to Okay, awesome,

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all right, well well well well okay, So working in

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the hotels there, the first hotel I worked in, a

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really good friend of mine, Steve, used to work with me.

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We were both middle management and we were working in

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this old like Georgian hotel. So it's like two three

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hundred year old building, crazy old old building, black and

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white place. There isn't a straight floor in the whole place.

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And we used to do weddings there and he and

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I used to run the weddings and basically a long

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story short, like our staff would go and pour the

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drinks and clear the glasses and stuff like that. We'd

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make sure everything's going good and you know, run the day.

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And then during the speeches, our team would get out

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of there and just leave the room nice and quiet

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for people to talk. And we were kind of we

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didn't have a door behind the bar, so we would

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just have to stand with their hands behind their back

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behind the bar, like you know, shop mannekins and just

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look look polite whilst these people are doing these speeches.

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And that's all well and good, but when you're doing

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like two weddings a week every week, you hear the

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same speeches and the same jokes and it becomes so dull.

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So we I don't know why, but we started doing

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this stupid game where you know, like behind the bar

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you chop all the fruit, and we got all this

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chopped lemon. Well facing us was this glass fronted wine fridge,

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and so what we used to do whilst the speeches

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were on and our staff weren't around, is we would

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get these slices of lemon and just like in Wayne's world,

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we'd throw them at the fridge and try and stick

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them on the front of the fridge, okay, and then

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try and not laugh and you know, it was the

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whole kind of stupid stuff you do it like as

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a kid. So we would do that, and obviously we

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never told our staff because we don't want them doing

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that as well, and we never told our boss because

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why on earth would you do that, you know what

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I mean. So it was literally only he and I

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on the planet knew that. Then things took a turn

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and he died. Steve had a heart attack and died

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at like twenty three absolute legend. But probably a year later,

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I was at my mum's and she's at the point

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where she doing readings for people now, just having a

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cup of tea and chilling, and she goes, oh, your

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friend Steve's here, and so I was like, just tread

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softly here because this is this.

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Is you know, this is a little rough.

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Just tread stuff for yeah, like, you know, this hit

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me hard. And she was like, he says, stop being

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a wuss. You should just believe in this. And I

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was like, yeah, well, it's you know, it's not that

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I don't believe in stuff. She's like, he says, to

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tell you about when you guys used to throw lemons

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at the front of a fridge, And I was just like,

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oh damn, Wow, Oh damn. And I was trying to think, like,

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oh my god, have I ever mentioned this? And I

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was like no, Like you know, like why would you

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wouldn't ever at any point tell your mom like, oh,

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by the way, I stuck some lemon to a fridge

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today or anything like that. I had never told another

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soul that story. And then she continued on and like

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we used to call each other stupid names on the

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walkie talkies and stuff, and She's like, and she was

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calling me the names that he used to call me

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through the walkie talk It worked, so I was just

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like wow. So that was a massive moment for me.

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And then as if that wasn't enough, I had another one.

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So I restore guitars just for fun every now and then,

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like I'll buy one that's beat up, redo it, repaint

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it if I need to, and then and then sell

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it on when I finished playing with it. And so

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my mom lives in Spain and I was living on

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my own in this house in England, hadn't spoken to

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her for a few days, and I was at the

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stage where I'd got this guitar that I'd refinished, and

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it looked beautiful, and I'd put all new electrical components

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in it and it just wouldn't work. So it was

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driving me crazy. And it was at the point where

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I'd kind of test it and try it and try

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the wiring, and then I'd get annoyed and just stand

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it up in a corner and leave it for a week,

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you know, and then I could take another run at

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it when I'd got the patients. And I was sat

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in my living room on my own, no telephones on, nothing,

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with this thing on my knee, and I just tested

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it again and it didn't work. And I was like going, like,

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you know, calling it plenty of spicy names. And she

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sent me a message on Facebook message and she says,

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what the hell is it was going on with you

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and this guitar? And I was like what uh. She says,

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there's a guy here that says you're about ready to

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smash this guitar up, Like what's what's the score? And

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I was like okay. So I said like, yeah, I

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can't get it to work. And I didn't even say

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it's the wiring that's wrong. So then she says, well, well,

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this fella says if you turn, if you turn, it

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over and look at where the wires go. There's a

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thing that looks like you've got like three things that

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look like a silver coin. And then there's one of

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them that looks like a silver coin with a little

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bean bag stuck to it. And and if you like,

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if if you look at the wiring of a guitar,

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the back of the knobs, you know, the adjust the

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volume in the tone knobs, well, the volume ones just

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look like a silver coin. The tone one has this

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little extra resistor on that looks like a little bean bag.

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So I was like, yes, yes there is. And she

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was like and he says that that's faulty, so you

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need to take it out. And I was like, well,

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it isn't because they're all brand new components out of

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a packet, so it can't be. And she was just like,

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he says, don't waste my time. Take the new one out,

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stick the old one in, and just test it. So

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I was like, okay, whatever, sold it out, put the

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old one in. It worked perfectly. So I'm like okay.

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So that message came via somebody that's like thirteen hundred

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miles away, had no idea what I was doing. I

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hadn't spoken to for a few days. Let alone said

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this guitar is driving me crazy, and I got hYP

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I got basically a wiring diagram. You know, my mom's

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neither an electrician or a guitarist, so I was like, okay,

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this thing's real. I'm all in. So so that was

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kind of kind of it's amazing. Yeah, yeah, it's wild.

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Well that'll change your worldview, man.

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It did.

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I mean absolutely, shake like it's like throwing yourself it's

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it's it's it's like throwing yourself in a giant in

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a giant jar, putting the lid on and just it up, man,

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and then and then opening the lid again and being like, okay, yeah,

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it's it's.

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It was. It was just like that. I mean, it was.

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It was.

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It was amazing to finally be able to go, oh

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my god, you were right this whole.

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Time, you know, absolutely wild.

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But since then, I mean, some of the things that

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I've seen are just incredible, Like the amount of good

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it does for people that are grieving when that person

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is all but stood in the room with them and

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they're saying, you know, oh you you know you need

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to do this thing, or sharing memories with people it's incredible.

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So that was my kind of introduction that the world

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isn't exactly normal. And then whether UFO stuff started so

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over lockdown, I was basically babysitting this big hotel. I

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don't know if you've seen the movie The Shining, but like,

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oh yeah, I was working in this big country hotel

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that looked a lot like that building, but you know,

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surrounded by golf courses and stuff like that. And then

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when they announced lockdown, there was no rules. It was

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like it wasn't like, oh, here's what to do if

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you're a business. They just literally said go home, isolate.

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And my boss was like, I can't just leave this place.

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He's like, we're going to get like this place is

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like five hundred acres and it's you know, it's outrageously expensive.

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He's like, we're going to get odd. I can't do that.

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Like he's like so he's like, I hate to ask,

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but do you want to stay here instead of going home?

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And I was like, yeah, yeah, why not? Yeah yeah,

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because I've got guitars to restore and I'm pretty happy

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on my own anyway. So yeah, so I did that,

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but it left me with so much time on my

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hands to just watch YouTube and you know, just like

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yeah so much, yeah, yeah yeah. So I watched this

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just at the end of Lockdown. I watched this video

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and it was four different guys and I wish I

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could find the video now, but it was four different

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guys that didn't know each other, and they'd all had

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this weird experience. And I found that really interesting because

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I was like, they don't know each other, but they've

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all had a parallel experience. That's that's something interesting. And

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one of them had been out hiking and was sat

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on a rock and was thinking how beautiful everything was,

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you know, just having one of those little reflection moments.

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He and this light appeared in the sky. I think

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two of them were praying outside.

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Just to give you a high. Don't mind me, You're

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going to see some crazy stuff for me, no worries.

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So yeah, two of them were praying and like they

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saw lights appear in front of them. And then one

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of them was meditating and he said, like, you know,

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he's doing all this thing about gratitude, and then he

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opened his eyes and there's this light in front. So

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I I couldn't stop thinking about it. And then Lockdown finished.

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We went back to normal and working full time and

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all this kind of stuff. And I remember I'd worked

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this big, long shift in the hotel and this for

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some reason that that thing that I'd seen with these

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guys was really on my mind, and I was like,

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I really want to try this, because obviously I know

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that world's a bit weird with what mom does. So

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I was like, I really really want to know what

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these guys have experienced. So I drove home. I got

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back from work at probably ten o'clock at night, and

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I thought, right, screw it, I may as well just

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try it right now. So I opened my driver's door

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and I was still sat in the chair in the

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in the seat, and I looked through the crack between

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the door and the chassis of the car because it

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was open, and I literally said, in my head, go on,

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then if there's anything too. This showed me something that

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would be awesome, and exactly where I was looking at

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exactly the moment that I thought that, there was this

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big blue flash. So it was kind of the size

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of your own thumbnail, you know. But obviously I don't know.

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It could have been something enormous miles away. It could

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have been some small right in front of me. I

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don't know, but it seemed like it was you know, space,

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and it was like like like a royal blue, you know,

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like a like a Christmas light, like how they kind

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of come on and go off, but like a really

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deep blue. And this thing came on for like three

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seconds exactly where I was looking, and then went off,

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and I was I was not scared, but I was

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really freaked out. I was just like, what the hell,

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you know, because that it wasn't just like I'd seen

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something in the sky. It was like a call and

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response type thing. So so I went in the house

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and like obviously I couldn't get my head around what

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had just happened. But after a couple of days, I

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just thought, you just had a really long shift, you know,

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you got back. You probably just something some little wire

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shorted out in the back of your head or something

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like that, you know what I mean, Like your brain

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tells you that everything's fine and put a blanket on

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things for you. And then I basically just forgot that happened.

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Really likes as crazy as it was, like it was wild,

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but I just thought, there's no there's no evidence for

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this happening anywhere you know, and and you're the only

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person that saw this, and surely, surely it's you being

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tired and imagining anything. So three weeks later, I was

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playing some video games and I was in that the

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flow state, you know, where you just switch your brain

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off and you're just looking at the pretty lights and

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having a great time, and I just got this thought

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in my head. It wasn't a voice, but it was

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just like look outside, and it was weird enough to

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like snap me out of what I was doing. So

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I paused the game and looked out my window, and

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I mean, I'm very familiar with the stars and stuff

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in it anyway, and I was looking at Mars, and

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Mars at that time of year was this orange like

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burned orange dot, but just down from it was a

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bright orange dot sort of similar sort of size, but

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much brighter. And I've got an app on my phone

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which I really recommend everybody gets, and they don't sponsor me.

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It's called Stellarium, and it's totally free. But what it

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lets you do is you point your phone at the

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sky and it tells you exactly what it's so good, Like,

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if you see a light moving, you can point it

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out and it'll say like medical satellite, or it'll say

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like starlink, anything like that. It's so good. So I

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pulled my phone out and I opened up Selarium whilst

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I'm looking at this thing, saying what the hell is that?

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You know?

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I pointed my phone at it, and there's Mars, and

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there's Mars on Stellarium, and there's all the surrounding stars

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and there they are on Stellarium. But this orange thing

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wasn't on it. So I was like, wow, okay, so

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I couldn't take my eyes off it, and I said

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out loud. I was like, well, you're weird. And then

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it started to move. So if Mars is here and

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this orange thing was here, it went around in a circle.

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And then when it got to like, you know, the

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two o'clock, it shot off like if you if you

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see like a spark from an angle grinder. So it

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moved real slow at first, and then it just hanged

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off so much that it just became a streak.

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Wow.

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So I know what shooting stars look like, and I

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know they can be orange, but they don't. They don't

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go round in a circle.

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First.

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It's like, you know, it's like you're reversing out of

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the parking space and then screaming off. So that then

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was just like that just broke some windows in my

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head and I was like, Okay, something really strange is

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out there. And the weirdest thing about it is like

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that was definitely a tap on the head, Like that

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wasn't just catching a glimpse of something. I was like,

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that was that was weird, That was an experience. So

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I just decided I need to know everything about this.

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So I started going through YouTube and looking up documents

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and stuff like that, and and I had a really

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rough time because there's so much stuff where the one

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thing I've learned is like if anybody tells you that

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they've got it all figured out, they're lying, you know.

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But there's the stuff that you see is all like, oh,

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it's this from Planet Zaden and the lizard headed angel

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people built the pyramids with lasers. And I was like

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this just no, no, Like, where's where's the where's the scientists,

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where's the where's the good stuff? So I was on

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Instagram and I found this account called uap files and

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it was just cases. There was no like creepy synth

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music or cgi aliens dancing or anything like that it

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was just data. So I was like, oh, thank god,

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and I just started devouring all of these historical cases

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trying to find something like what had happened to me?

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And then so kind of the just to zoom out

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for a sec. The last two years have been absolutely insane,

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and so many things that if you were if you

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were skeptical or even saying, you'd just say, well, that's

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a coincidence. But then there gets to be this mountain

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of them. So this was one of those things. So

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like I just started commenting on one or two of

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his posts saying like, oh, that thing that you've just

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shared reminds me of this case that I've been reading

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about from you know, Sweden or whatever or and got

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the attention of the account holder, Jimmy, And this went

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on for a while, and then at one point he

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noticed that I make music and stuff, and he said, look, look,

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this might sound weird, but I've got this post I

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want to do about this particular UFO case. How do

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you feel like making me like a thirty second piece

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of music to go in the background, because I didn't

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want to get a copyright strug So I was like, yes,

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that'd be amazing. So in the process of me back

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and forth saying like, what do you think of this?

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What you think of that?

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You know?

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Do you like the tone, do you like the volume

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and stuff? I told him about my experience and then

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he said, well you should be on the podcast. Then

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we'll we'll have you on as a guest. And I

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was like, I don't know anything. I'm not these people

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that you know, like, why would you want? That's crazy?

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So but I did it. I did it and it

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and I had a great time. And when I look

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back at it now, it's like it makes you cringe,

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but you're just like, you just got to do these things,

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you know. And then a couple of weeks after that,

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he had a guest, Aimon Ansbro who's head of an

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observatory in Ireland and he's published papers about plasma being

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alive and some amazing stuff like that. But he basically said, look,

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I need a nerd and you're you've got that head

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like so I'm like the weird friend that he just

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you know, that that specific weird little tool in the

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box that is only handy once in a while and.

463
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Anything else, it's got one task exactly.

464
00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:09.359
So he asked me to co host this episode with

465
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:13.599
Aimen because I know about you know, I'm school level,

466
00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:16.680
but I'm very rely interested in science and all of

467
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:18.799
these historical stuff that he was talking about, and we

468
00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.079
got on great and his feedback was really good. So

469
00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:24.079
then he said, well, why don't you just be co

470
00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:28.279
host of the channel. So I was like, it's kind

471
00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:33.119
of a leap, absolutely, isn't it. It's another it's crazy

472
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:36.759
and I'm again I'm sat here like six months after

473
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:39.640
having my first interest in the subject. I'm like, I've

474
00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:43.759
just been watching all of these people on YouTube or

475
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:46.000
reading their books, and now I can have a conversation

476
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:48.400
with them. I was like, this is like living inside

477
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:53.960
some crazy computer game. So so that's what got me

478
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:58.519
on you AP files, and I'm incredibly grateful every time.

479
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:02.680
I suppose amazing people have learned so much cool stuff.

480
00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:06.880
And I figured, because on there we were just doing

481
00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:11.880
interviews with people, my channel could be these deep dives

482
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:14.559
and this, you know, these like real an hour long

483
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:16.559
or two hours looking at a one hundred years of

484
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:22.319
UAP history and stuff like that, and my head, I'm happy,

485
00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:26.799
Like I'm not afraid to say, like my life completely changed.

486
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:31.440
Like when I started looking into this stuff. I stopped drinking.

487
00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:37.799
I like my tasting stuff changed, Like I didn't enjoy

488
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.359
like horror movies, and there's so much weird stuff, like

489
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:42.759
my character changed.

490
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:43.640
Yeah, and.

491
00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:53.359
I lost all interest in my job, like it happened. Yeah, man,

492
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:57.880
well I'm learning that now. But I was like, I

493
00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:00.200
was like, why am I putting on a suit and

494
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.240
going and pretending, you know, and playing this hospitality game

495
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:08.640
when something out there is like wanting to communicate with people.

496
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:09.319
Like what what?

497
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:11.359
What the hell am I doing doing this? So I

498
00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:15.559
just decided, like I'm going to take a risk. I'm

499
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:18.799
just gonna I'm just gonna try and get by doing

500
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:24.400
this full time. So so I did. And every single

501
00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:29.480
time I get to a point just so, the the

502
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:31.920
plan b in my head was as soon as you

503
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:35.200
start running out of money, I'm going to get a

504
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:37.400
normal job and we'll just do this as a side gig.

505
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:42.200
And every time I get anywhere near there, something drops

506
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:46.440
in out of the blue, and it's just like carry on,

507
00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:49.880
you know, and it's and again, this this mountain of

508
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:53.799
coincidence keeps growing. So so for example, like I said,

509
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:56.240
I spend a lot of time in Spain, where my

510
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:58.880
mum lives, but I'd only got this like ten year

511
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:00.920
old Chromebook out there, so I was trying to make

512
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.759
documentaries on it, and the thing was virtually catching fire

513
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:05.519
and stuff and.

514
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:08.640
You reach over and it's burning hot and you're like, oh.

515
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:12.799
No, honestly, if you're going slow, and I'd like, I'd

516
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:15.240
be like, I'll just open task Manager and see how

517
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.559
it's doing. It's like CPU ninety nine percent. Help people

518
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.680
call the emergency services. So I said in one of

519
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:27.680
my videos, like, you know, because my channel wasn't monetized

520
00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:29.839
at the time or anything, and I went from started

521
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:32.000
from scratch, and I said like, look, I really appreciate

522
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:35.599
everybody that's subscribed because I'm trying to do this full time.

523
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:39.359
I need some new gear. And eventually, when YouTube starts

524
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:41.960
throwing me a biscuit a month or whatever, like I'm

525
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:46.279
gonna I'm going to buy a new laptop. And a

526
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:50.799
legendary guy called Asthlan from LA just sent me a message.

527
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:56.559
He's like, what's your address? And I was like, uh, okay,

528
00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:58.400
so I gave him my address and then he just

529
00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:03.279
sent me this amazing laptop and it's like okay, so

530
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:12.680
now better than I couldn't. It felt so outrageous. I

531
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:16.400
keep needing to like pinch myself. And then I got

532
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:23.519
contacted and invited by some incredible people that were having

533
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:30.319
this UFO that it was called Contact UFO Congress in

534
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:32.920
Madrid in Spain, and they were like, we want you

535
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:35.640
to come, and you can bring your mom, like all

536
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:37.680
expenses paid, come and check it out and hang out

537
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:40.880
with people for three days. So I was like okay.

538
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:44.480
So then next thing you know, I've gone from just

539
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:48.559
like having something weird happened to then I'm studying to

540
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.039
Madrid and meeting these people face to face that have

541
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:55.839
had abduction experiences and stuff like that, and it just

542
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:59.880
keeps snowballing. Man, it really does. It's been such a while.

543
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.880
I appreciate that it's a huge amount for people to

544
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:05.200
swallow when they've got no idea who I am. But

545
00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:07.000
I believe me. I'm struggling myself.

546
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:11.240
Yeah right, you're you're like, is this really happening? Like

547
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:14.440
it doesn't. Yeah, but I do know what you mean.

548
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:22.440
Stuff just serendipitous. Man, It's like it it doesn't even

549
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:25.079
make any sense, but I guess it's you're putting You're

550
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:30.400
putting something out. That's good, some good energy under the universe, right,

551
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:37.319
I really stuff stuff's coming back, right, yeah.

552
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:41.039
Man, I I I it sounds really hippyish, but I

553
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:44.440
consider my job to just be as useful to being

554
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.880
as useful as I can to whatever this thing is. Like,

555
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:50.599
you know, I know that sounds borderline religious or whatever,

556
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:54.839
but yeah, you know, okay, if if you guys need

557
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:57.039
a hand, like I want to be that hand, and

558
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:02.119
then that's just working out. Like I don't know, maybe

559
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:05.279
tomorrow the International Space Station is going to crash on

560
00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:05.720
my house.

561
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:11.519
But until then, you until then, you're doing this.

562
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:14.720
I'm having a great time. Yeah yeah, and meeting people

563
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:17.799
like yourself and people from all around the world. And

564
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.440
I just keep like, I keep having this moment where

565
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.720
I just kind of snap out and I'm like, how

566
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:26.839
the hell is this working? I mean, last night we

567
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:31.839
were interviewing an ex Green Beret and a security chief

568
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:34.599
from VanderBurg Air Force Base, and I'm like.

569
00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:35.680
I know Vandenburg.

570
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:37.920
Yeah I do.

571
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:41.759
I've been there a couple of times. Yeah.

572
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.599
Interesting, have you seeing any giant red rectangles?

573
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:48.960
But by the way, no, we know, but we did

574
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:53.359
a lot of We actually ran this crazy We ran

575
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:55.359
drug in addiction missions out of there.

576
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:56.839
So wow.

577
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:02.039
Yeah, we stayed there and we would fly out and

578
00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:06.920
go to what's called the Los Padres National Forest, which

579
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:12.800
is south of there. I had a couple bigfoot type

580
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:20.480
experiences interested not UFOs though, but I wish, you know.

581
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:22.920
I kind of feel like it's all the same thing, man.

582
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:26.039
Yeah, well, I mean it's one of our space bases.

583
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:31.920
It's it's like Vandenberg is a it is a military

584
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:38.320
space base, right, it's not space force right now, but

585
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:42.960
it's where they fire off Titan miss that yeahs out there,

586
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.679
so either way, it would make sense why it would

587
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:51.519
be a hotbed possibly, right, so Edinburgh Air Force Base,

588
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:54.599
sorry to derail you, but Greenville.

589
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:58.079
Yeah, I just literally saying that. You know, I'm sat

590
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:02.880
here in my bedroom and then I'm like looking at

591
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:05.320
these faces and I'm like, this guy's an ex Special

592
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:10.159
Forces green Beret. There's Jeffskatelli from from Vandenburg's Jimmy from

593
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:12.280
the uap Fars, and then there's just me. I was like,

594
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:17.280
this is so surreal, man. Yeah, like at some point

595
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:19.039
these people are going to notice that, like, what the

596
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.559
hell are you doing here? Yeah?

597
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:26.960
Yeah, no, I got it. I totally understand. Very cool.

598
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:32.199
It's a great ride, and I'm so grateful for having

599
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:34.440
the opportunity to do what I do because I've I've

600
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.639
learned so much in the last couple of years. And

601
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:40.440
it's and it's the more you learn, the more you

602
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:43.480
realize that you don't know anything. You know but but

603
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:46.960
there's there's so much to this stuff. Where as soon

604
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:50.199
as you start feeling like you can draw a line

605
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:53.320
between two things, it's like, oh, now the line's squiggly,

606
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:53.599
you know.

607
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:56.840
And I love to hear you say that, because I

608
00:35:56.920 --> 00:36:01.280
was just thinking this. Actually, I wouldn't say I got

609
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:05.000
depressed about it, but I got like just when you

610
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:09.000
think you have things figured out, yeah, you get hit

611
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:13.199
with something else and you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, I

612
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:16.880
just an't like I can't write about this again, or

613
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:19.400
I can't make an episode about this again, or I

614
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.400
can't you know what I mean. But then but then,

615
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:27.159
so what's eating at me is then I'm like, but

616
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:31.480
what I've put out in the past isn't necessarily the truth,

617
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:35.760
so I kind of need to like, you know, do uh.

618
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.599
It's this is this is one of the things of podcasting.

619
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:42.280
I'm finding out, like it's easy to and like I said,

620
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.000
I've done this ten years, but I feel like this

621
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:48.079
is one of those times when you're putting out information

622
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:53.840
right and it's a quickly especially in the space like

623
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:58.880
you're in, it's quickly evolving all the time. So you

624
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:03.320
put out this piece of information and you're like, damn,

625
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:08.840
that's not the whole story. But after you know, you've

626
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:12.280
already made this episode, that and all this stuff, so

627
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.920
you're like, man, do I like make a new episode

628
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:20.199
and rehash stuff and then say, well, here's the new

629
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:23.079
you know, I guess it's a way to do that,

630
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.760
but it's I wish it was something it's like print

631
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.039
where you could just like, uh, what do they what

632
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:31.960
do they do? They like add additional information down at

633
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:36.199
the bottom whatever, like uh, this this article has been updated.

634
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:40.320
We can't really do that with a with a podcast episode,

635
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:44.440
it doesn't work that way. So and as you know,

636
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:47.719
it's a lot of work. So it's like you're like, man,

637
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:51.679
I gotta make it. I guess it's content though you're like, well,

638
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:53.719
I guess I got to make another episode.

639
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:57.719
But yeah, yeah, yeah, I just I try and avoid having.

640
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.679
A conclusion like agreed, agree, the.

641
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:04.480
Healthiest point for me is when my mind gets changed,

642
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.199
because that shows that I'm learning still, you know. And

643
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:09.960
and when you see other people that are like, I

644
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:15.000
know the whole score, like okay, you know there's there's

645
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:18.239
there's just as many problems with the people that think

646
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:20.920
they've got the whole thing figured out as the people

647
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:23.519
that say nothing real and nothing exists, you know what.

648
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:28.519
One's atheist and one's like hard cores eelatry, and you've

649
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:31.880
got to be malleable with it. Like I was studying

650
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:35.559
those drones, the new Jersey drones as it was happening.

651
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:42.760
I have the mudge on my face. It's driving me crazy. Equipment,

652
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:44.639
So I don't know what's going on there? Do you

653
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:46.559
see it? You see what I'm talking about? I do?

654
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:50.400
Yeah, I don't know whether it's your is it You've

655
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.719
got something keying out like the background, But.

656
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.840
It's not because if I if I go yeah see

657
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:01.079
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, what is that that's weird?

658
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:03.559
Oh? Has it got a reflection on the.

659
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:06.719
Yeah it is.

660
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.960
Anyway you need if you want to pose for a

661
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:13.199
second and sort it out, be my guest, dude.

662
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:19.480
Because we can edit. Yeah. Sorry, because again it's the

663
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:20.480
first time every time.

664
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:23.480
Man, this is this is the world we live in

665
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:25.119
for some reason, You've got to be.

666
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:31.559
Editing is a wonderful thing. So that's why I won't

667
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:35.320
do live shows. Like live shows are nightmare ting, Like yeah,

668
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:38.239
why would I do a live show?

669
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.480
Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, why raise the stakes and roll

670
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:43.760
as many dice as you can.

671
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:52.440
My apologies, don't worry knows. So annoying.

672
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:54.039
Is what it is.

673
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:56.599
It's like there's a reflection. It literally is.

674
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.280
It's like it's catching a light from somewhere else.

675
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:06.599
I wonder if I bring it. Uh, it's just super

676
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.800
frustrating to me because I did it. I did episode

677
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:14.440
yesterday and this didn't happen. No, does that seem better? Yep?

678
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:20.119
All right, yeah, freaking crazy town.

679
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:25.360
It's this wild, weird world. Man. Sometimes it plays.

680
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:29.079
With you a lot of things. I'm like, man, do

681
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:31.119
I have like a halo around me? Or you know?

682
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:37.159
This is what is going on? Yeah? Maybe I don't.

683
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:45.559
Maybe I just don't have enough of the light in

684
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:52.400
the right spots. I don't know, man, But that's definitely better.

685
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:54.960
But it's still yeah, yeah, your face looks clear.

686
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:04.320
Yeah whatever, man, I got to get my studio squared

687
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:10.719
away because it's kind of like half storage room at

688
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:16.559
this point, it's so freaking annoying. So all right, I

689
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:21.960
guess we're back. I'll figure it out. It's better than

690
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:27.159
it was, but it's not perfect. So whatever, dude, all right, I.

691
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:29.920
Want to too soon. There's nowhere to go after that.

692
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:37.039
I put my stuff in that box, right, But yeah,

693
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:37.360
I know.

694
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:39.280
I know what you mean with making stuff that you

695
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:42.199
can't edit like I did. I thought i'd do a

696
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:46.079
one off about these new Jersey drones, and then as

697
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:48.719
soon as I finished it, someone got in touch with

698
00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:51.599
me with more information and I was like, oh god,

699
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:53.880
I need to do a part too, but you know,

700
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:56.000
like is that fair on my viewers? And I was

701
00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:58.000
like I don't want to, Okay, I've got to do it.

702
00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:00.639
So I did this part two. As soon as I

703
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:08.559
did the part two, I found this drone company which

704
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:13.039
has a contract with Darper and the Navy, and I

705
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.639
was like, oh my god, like they make this drone

706
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:19.920
that can take off vertically fold out wings to a

707
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:27.519
seven foot wingspan, and I was like yes, yes, yes, yes,

708
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:30.639
So I was like I need to do it. I

709
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:35.639
need to do it. Terror drones like Pterodactyl, and they've

710
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:37.920
got a contract with Darper and the Navy, and there's

711
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:41.639
like this gigantic naval base in New Jersey with this

712
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:45.280
particular harbor that goes like three miles out to see

713
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:47.599
and it was just like it's perfect. You load up

714
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:49.800
this flat top boat with a bunch of these things,

715
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.639
sail it out to see in they come fifty at

716
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.760
a time as the Sheriff's like click click click click.

717
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:59.559
But then you get the stuff that's going on over

718
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:05.280
Eglynn r a f Lake and Heath, all these airfields,

719
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:08.000
which is lights in the sky and things pinging around

720
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:10.440
and that we can't seem to do anything with. And

721
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:16.559
it's like we're mixing up some definite black testing with

722
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:21.599
some genuinely weird stuff here. So so I know exactly

723
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:24.280
what you mean. Like I really wish I'd maybe started

724
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:28.480
later and just made one long documentary, but instead.

725
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:32.880
The uap drone stuff was a definite mess in our

726
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:37.320
space right because I made it. I had made it

727
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:43.239
an episode and a guy, a guy came at me hard, wow,

728
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.960
like with mad game, like coming at me, like you know,

729
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:51.559
and uh, and I was just like wow, man. So

730
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.119
my reaction was is not to you know, react to

731
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:57.320
me and asked, I'm like, why don't you come on

732
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:02.920
the show? Excellent? And and what's funny is so we

733
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:07.039
we got it scheduled and all the wind got taken

734
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:10.320
right out of his sales because everything.

735
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:11.880
Came out okay.

736
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:14.320
So it was kind of like one of those things

737
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:19.199
like man uh and you can actually check the episode

738
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.840
out and I said, love too, and it's on, it's on.

739
00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:25.760
Did I put on YouTube? I think I did, But

740
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:28.679
it's basically like, you know, he came at me and

741
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:32.840
I just had him on and yeah, and that's kind

742
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:36.360
of how it was, right. It turned out to be

743
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:39.239
a turned out to be a pretty good conversation, but

744
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:43.559
it was definitely like what do you do in that case? Right?

745
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:48.239
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's That's the one thing

746
00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:55.559
about this UFO UAP paranormal world which I find so strange,

747
00:44:55.800 --> 00:45:00.840
like for people that are on both sides of the fence,

748
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:04.280
you get your true believers and you're like true skeptics,

749
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:09.519
and like it seems to be one of the only

750
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:14.119
feet fields where people will take the opinion of a

751
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:21.079
second hand skeptic over a first hand witness. And even

752
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:24.199
within this tiny niche because ninety nine percent of the

753
00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:27.079
world just wants to pay their bills, go to work,

754
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:31.079
have a family, you know, pay the rent. Right, We're

755
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:35.239
a very small slice of the cake, and that slice

756
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:38.159
is just trying to kill itself all the time. That

757
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:41.119
they're always shouting at each other and throwing rocks at

758
00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:44.239
each other, and from the outside it must just be like, oh,

759
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:47.639
the nerds are fighting again, you know. And I think

760
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:52.320
that really holds us back from It's great when you

761
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.679
find somebody with a different opinion, when you can just

762
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:57.800
have a respectful debate and not have to come out

763
00:45:57.840 --> 00:45:59.280
with one guy the winner at the end.

764
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:03.079
The actually a civil discourse, right, yeah.

765
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:05.559
Exactly, we're here to learn about it, and yet we

766
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:09.119
seem to be making heroes and villains out of people

767
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:13.320
and and it just doesn't work. It just doesn't work.

768
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:18.559
I hate it, I am Yeah. Civil discourse has got

769
00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:20.639
you know. And why do we feel like we always

770
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:23.440
have to win. There's got to be a lenner, winner

771
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:28.480
or a loser for every single situation or or whatever.

772
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:31.360
And why can't we all I mean, the bottom line

773
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:34.920
is this, and you've you alluded to it earlier. We

774
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:39.000
don't know anything about anything not really not definitively. I mean,

775
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:43.599
you know about you, I know about me, but anything

776
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:47.679
in between is all kind of conjecture, right, like and

777
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:51.920
and there's very few black and white facts in this world.

778
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:58.800
There just is, unfortunately, And I think people people do

779
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:03.239
not like the gray. They can't handle it absolutely and

780
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:05.960
and like yeah, like I mean, I mean, I'm not

781
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.000
going to go down this rabbit hole. But like something

782
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:11.119
I've been researching a lot of late least the flat

783
00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:17.119
earth debate, like what nor do I really care what

784
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:22.159
it is? I mean I care, but I don't you

785
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:23.360
know what I'm saying, so.

786
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:26.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, rather than the actual argument that the

787
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.639
phenomena itself of how people come to believe. I had

788
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:32.960
a girl that worked for me, and I won't I'm

789
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:34.960
not saying this to pick on her, because she was

790
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:39.199
she she rolled sixes you know, to come into She

791
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:43.119
was beautiful, she was very intelligent, good, good upbringing and

792
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:44.800
all this happened to be working with me in a

793
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:48.079
hotel and one day it came out. She was like,

794
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:50.599
but the Earth's flat, isn't it anyway? Ha ha? And I

795
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:53.920
was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, whoa, let's let's let's

796
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:58.519
pull some strings here a second. You know what makes

797
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:00.719
you think that? She's like, well, we just can't trust

798
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:03.719
what they say. So I was like, okay, come with me.

799
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:06.280
So I took her into my office and I got

800
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:09.280
on the live feed from the International Space Station. I'm like,

801
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:10.920
what shape is is that?

802
00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:11.440
You know?

803
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:13.360
This this big blue thing that we're on. She's like,

804
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:18.000
but looks round and I'm like, okay, where where does

805
00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:21.920
where does where? Where have you come to take the

806
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:24.320
opinion of you know what I mean? And it was

807
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:28.480
just through She was bright enough to say, like it

808
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:32.280
was just from scrolling and just absorbing it through. You know,

809
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:36.079
the empty can rattles the most basically, and people that

810
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:39.320
are allowed about something, whatever it may be, it just

811
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:44.679
sinks in. Yeah. And I found that morbidly fascinating that

812
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:48.480
somebody's so clever. I mean, we've all got the facility

813
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:52.239
with the Internet to learn anything from human history.

814
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:55.159
Well, I mean, let's see honest this thing right here.

815
00:48:55.800 --> 00:49:02.079
Yeah, yeah, we literally have all in a sense, yeah,

816
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:08.639
we have all of human knowledge and experience and literally

817
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:09.679
in the palm of your hand.

818
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:13.039
I I love it when, like your school teacher would

819
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:17.400
be like, what when would you ever have a later

820
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:20.800
And they'd be like, when, when would you ever walk

821
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:22.800
around with a calculator? Because you and I are about

822
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.679
the same age. I think I'm a little older, but

823
00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:29.000
my teacher would be like, you'd never have Actually I

824
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:32.880
have that, I have all kinds of stuff. It's it's

825
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:38.840
unbelievable to me how that with all this knowledge you

826
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:42.519
still have so many questions and and part of it

827
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:47.840
is you don't look but in your uh space because

828
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:51.159
you you kind of I wouldn't say pigeonhole yourself, but

829
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.480
you're in the u U f O U A p

830
00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:59.039
space mostly mostly right, talk about a space that's like

831
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:05.920
got so many theories, right, everything from inner Earth to

832
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:12.000
uh yeah, aliens aren't aliens or demons, they're nephi I mean,

833
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:15.719
all the things, right, So how do you how do you?

834
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:18.239
I mean, I know you want to let people tell

835
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:21.920
their stories, just like just like I do, and we

836
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:24.880
and we joke back and forth, you know, crazy or

837
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:28.800
I'm crazy. I'm gonna come. Oh you want to hear

838
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:34.119
something crazy? Right, But at the end of the day,

839
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.320
how do you how do you manage and or let

840
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:43.159
people just kind of all with all of it? Do

841
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:45.719
you do, you filter it before you even get there,

842
00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:47.119
you know what I'm saying.

843
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:52.920
I think that's a fantastic question, and honestly, the answer

844
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:55.480
is kind of as gray as the subjects itself. I

845
00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:58.480
trust my good as much as anything else. If something

846
00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:02.840
feels wrong or I see somebody and just in that

847
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:06.239
two seconds you think, don't like this guy, you know,

848
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:12.360
you just don't go there. And unfortunately we've just got

849
00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:17.760
to feel it out. We don't know anything about this anything.

850
00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:23.559
And the problem with like UFOs or cryptids or the

851
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:28.480
paranormal or telekinesis is it's all in this basket of

852
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:35.119
stuff we don't know. So when people see a black

853
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:38.519
triangle the size of three football fields, you know, and

854
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:41.199
then they see a ball of light the size of

855
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:45.159
a marble, like, they're all UFOs. But it's like that.

856
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:48.840
Imagine jumping in the ocean and you see a fish,

857
00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:52.480
a whale, a shark, a prawn. You know, there's just

858
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:56.000
because it's stuff that we don't understand, we can't go

859
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:58.480
I saw a bird once on everything there is to

860
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:02.519
know about birds. You know, this is gonna sound mean,

861
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:06.239
and that's probably fair, But any time you see a

862
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:10.519
photograph of anything triangular to do with UFOs. The first

863
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:14.440
comment is going to be somebody saying TR three B definitely,

864
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:16.480
And it's like, well, you doude, you don't know what

865
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:20.079
a TR three two, You don't know a TR three A.

866
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:22.519
You don't you don't even know what those words mean,

867
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:25.840
Like how can you be so hyper specific about a

868
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:30.039
black silhouette of a triangle? And but it's that thing

869
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:35.159
of like we need order and and honestly, the more

870
00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:40.440
I get into it, the letter this could be a

871
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:43.719
very long answer. So I'll try and pull pull my

872
00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:46.880
punches a little bit. But so I studied. I studied

873
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:50.519
history as much as anything else because there's two things

874
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:55.760
that really frustrate me. I try and state as positive

875
00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:59.679
and open about everything, but that the one the one

876
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:03.159
thing that I find most frustrating is everybody wants disclosure.

877
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:05.320
Like that's the word that you'll see. It's when are

878
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:08.519
we going to get disclosure? But it's it's no different

879
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:13.199
than the war on terror. You know, it's something that

880
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.760
you can't define it. There is no end goal. You know.

881
00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:21.079
Disclosure means a different thing to everybody, yes, but for

882
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:25.719
some people it's we want the government to admit something's here, Well,

883
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:29.000
that's happened. Like we've had congressional hearings with people under

884
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:34.079
oath other people disclosure means we want to know all

885
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:37.920
the CIA's secret history of studying. It's like, well, good

886
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:41.800
luck with that, because you know, the CIA, just like

887
00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:44.320
most governments, have done some pretty dark stuff, and that

888
00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:46.079
not at any point that you're going to get this

889
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:49.280
Scooby Doo moment where they go, aha, it was Majestic

890
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:52.280
twelve the whole time, and here's all their files. It's

891
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:59.760
just not going to happen. So people, it sounds so

892
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:03.960
judgmental of me to say, but they waste so much

893
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:09.440
time waiting on one government from one part of the

894
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:14.440
planet to tell them what they've learned so far when

895
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:20.239
there's this thing doesn't care about borders and it's happening.

896
00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:24.440
It's been happening since probably before we were here. It's

897
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:28.039
happening all around the world, and yet people's total focus

898
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:31.880
is on, oh, we found this operation called, like you know,

899
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:35.400
Immaculate Constellation, and it's okay, well, what have we learned

900
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:37.719
from that? Nothing? But we found something that's like no,

901
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:40.440
you're just you're being led around a garden by your

902
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:46.639
nose and you're never going to get there. So honestly,

903
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:49.480
the more I get into the rabbit hole and speaking

904
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:53.000
to people that have had really profound experiences, the more

905
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:57.239
this has in common with like spiritual stuff and like

906
00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:00.159
cryptids and things like that.

907
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:00.960
There's a.

908
00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:06.119
Phenomena which happens and has happened to me, So like

909
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:11.039
that has to be your compass called an apport where

910
00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:16.960
something solid can appear that just can't have come from anywhere.

911
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:19.880
You know, people have said forever, Oh, I was thinking

912
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:24.039
about my deceased parents and this white feather appeared in

913
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:26.119
front of me, or you know that the red cardinal

914
00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:30.639
appears and all this kind of stuff. Well, like another lady,

915
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:35.199
for example, had been for a reading with my mom

916
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:38.000
and talking to her granddad, and when she got home,

917
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:40.320
she rang my mom and I was in the room,

918
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:43.239
so good science for me, and she was like, I

919
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:47.559
got home and my granddad's service badge is like cap

920
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:51.480
badge was in the middle of my bed, like on

921
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:55.159
top of the blankets. Wow, you know. So I was like, wow,

922
00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:59.119
you know that to me has got more in common

923
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:03.800
with U f FO stuff than Marvin the Martian and

924
00:56:03.800 --> 00:56:07.840
another little metal spaceship scooting across space and coming over

925
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:12.320
here to steal a cow. This stuff and just like

926
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:17.960
big Foot, you know, or Nessy or the African dinosaur thing,

927
00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:23.239
you know, like this stuff seems to appear from nowhere,

928
00:56:24.199 --> 00:56:28.199
interact with a very small group of people or the individual,

929
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:36.199
and show them imagery that is culturally appropriate for them

930
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:42.000
at the time, yes, and then disappear. So it presents

931
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:47.199
itself as impossible but probable.

932
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:49.800
At the same time, you know what I mean.

933
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:52.880
Like, so a great example is is Bigfoot. You know,

934
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:56.480
there's a video of this eight foot hairy dude walking

935
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:58.760
across the road. He walks behind a tree and he's gone.

936
00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:02.519
And like the CIA can can tell how much changes

937
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:05.320
in your back pocket from space. They've got such a

938
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:09.679
network of cameras. So if this was our monkey or whatever,

939
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:13.480
like we'd see his house, we'd see piles of dung

940
00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:16.800
or you know, all of this stuff, but yeah, it's gone.

941
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:19.400
And it's the same with UFOs. We don't track them

942
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:22.880
coming in from Alpha Centauri all the way here, like

943
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:26.719
they turn up over a nuclear facility, they hang out

944
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:32.840
for five or ten minutes and they're gone. And when

945
00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:36.360
I studied the history of it, like a great example

946
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:39.280
is some of the weird stuff, you know. So in

947
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:44.679
the eighteen hundreds there was repeated sightings over the US

948
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:50.119
of a wooden sailing ship in the sky, and there

949
00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:53.719
were even and like people were tracking it going from

950
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:55.400
state to state. It's in all that I've got the

951
00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:58.079
local newspaper cuttings and all this kind of stuff. There

952
00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:01.920
was even examples of an anchor would come down, a

953
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:04.280
guy would come down in a little brown suit and

954
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:07.280
be like, oh, hello, there, we're from Mars. You don't

955
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:09.559
you know, this is our wonderful invention. We'd just like

956
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:13.599
some water and some bread if that's okay, And everyone's like, oh, okay,

957
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:15.599
that's crazy. But you know, like we know what a

958
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:18.800
boat is, so this is some sort of spaceboat. So

959
00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:21.760
at the time it was impossible. But they're like, well,

960
00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:22.480
I know a boat.

961
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:26.760
It's like dins or something literally man literally.

962
00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:29.400
But they're like but they're like, you know, we know

963
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:31.840
that people need water and they need bread, so this

964
00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:34.199
kind of makes sense. But it's so surreal, and there

965
00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:36.760
you go, and then off they go, and and then

966
00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:43.559
you get like there was there was an amazing encounter

967
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:49.480
in the sixties. I can't think where it was but

968
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:53.559
so there's this little farmer in the middle of nowhere.

969
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:58.480
A literal like old school flying saucer comes down and

970
00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:03.800
lands in his far These little creatures get out and

971
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:07.920
they've got an empty jug and they're like pointing at

972
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:10.159
it and like pointing at their mouths as if they

973
00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:14.719
want some water. So this this like polite, nice farm

974
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:17.480
and he's like, okay, gets the jug, goes and fills

975
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:19.639
it up with water out of the well for them,

976
00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:25.400
and they give him pancakes. They give him bookwheat pancakes

977
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:30.960
and he calls it in. He calls the local police.

978
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:33.239
The air force come out and he passes them these

979
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:35.599
pancakes and he's like, yeah, they were really nice. You know,

980
00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:38.239
I don't know who they are. But he's just this nice, trusting,

981
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:41.960
well mannered guy and that's so surreal. But to him

982
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:46.639
it was kind of crazy, but he still understood like

983
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:51.960
the rules of the game. And jump forwards fifty years

984
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:56.039
you get the famous Tic Tac encounter. David Fravor, Commander Favor.

985
00:59:56.679 --> 00:59:59.679
That guy. That guy is literally if you look at

986
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:03.599
his of his history, he makes Maverick look like a clown,

987
01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:06.559
like he was leader of the Black Aces. He was

988
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:08.920
like first over the border in the golf. He's had

989
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:14.199
like twelve thousand hours of combat hours, all successfully.

990
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:16.039
You know, I couldn't find a more credible.

991
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:18.639
Oh my god, if he was in an action movie,

992
01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:21.760
go come on, come on, make it believable or something.

993
01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:28.880
He's literally insanely overqualified. His encounter with something that looked

994
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:34.239
solid outmaneuvered his fighter jet but has no wings and

995
01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:37.920
no cockpit, no engines. So it's like he's interacting with

996
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:41.199
this thing and doing these maneuvers that he's trained to

997
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:42.639
know how to do, and he's like, I'm going to

998
01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:44.960
head it off and close the circle and stuff, and

999
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:50.199
then this thing just disappears and reappears at his cap point,

1000
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:55.119
which is the area where they're supposed to start and

1001
01:00:55.239 --> 01:00:58.840
leave the exercise. So it's like it dangles this carrot

1002
01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:01.639
of like I'm just a normal machine, and it's like, pang, okay,

1003
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:05.800
explain this bit, okay bye, that I'll do. So there's

1004
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:13.000
this history of it interacting with small groups because people

1005
01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:15.920
react really differently when there's a big group to a

1006
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:20.480
small group, Like you imagine that like the famous Phoenix

1007
01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:24.440
Lights encounter, which I'm sure people have heard of. This

1008
01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:28.320
giant black V shaped thing turns up over Phoenix at

1009
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:32.400
like dusk. And if that had happened in broad daylight,

1010
01:01:33.519 --> 01:01:35.599
that would have been like Independence Day. There would have

1011
01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:39.000
been people running for the hills, there would have been

1012
01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:42.239
people like shooting guns at it. It would have been chaos.

1013
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:44.800
But it turned up and people are like on the

1014
01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:47.639
porch having a barbecue, sat out, having a beer at night,

1015
01:01:48.320 --> 01:01:50.559
just driving home and see it through the windscreen. So

1016
01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:55.039
it was like all these little individual experiences that weren't threatening.

1017
01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:59.280
Yeah, and it's so individually documented to like, yeah, how

1018
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:03.639
many videos of that from different angles and everything, and

1019
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:05.559
we have no idea what it.

1020
01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:08.920
Was really no, absolutely yep.

1021
01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:11.480
And it wasn't just the one it was. There was

1022
01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:16.000
a couple and they were obviously massive objects, not massive

1023
01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:19.880
but big, right yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah they weren't. But

1024
01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:21.599
what the heck?

1025
01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:25.639
What exactly? You know, it's it's absurd, as Jacques Valet

1026
01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:31.679
calls it, right, so that when you do things like

1027
01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:33.960
you read you know, the Bible and there's the burning

1028
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:37.599
bush or wheels within wheels and stuff like that, that

1029
01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:43.079
to me is more in more more like congruent than

1030
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:48.559
what kind of machine by our physics, you know can So.

1031
01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:51.639
I think people need to realize that they have to.

1032
01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:55.079
And this is what like this podcast is all about.

1033
01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:59.840
I don't. I don't answer questions for anybody. No, he

1034
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:04.360
get really pissed at me though. I get mad hate

1035
01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:12.000
on YouTube. We're literally I'll get comments of Blumber, you know, Blumber,

1036
01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:20.079
bumbling idiot talks too much. I can't even watch right, okay, whatever,

1037
01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:22.920
you know what I mean. Like, I'm like your feedback.

1038
01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:27.800
You basically just talked to me for forty five minutes

1039
01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:31.320
and said nothing, and I know that's not true. What

1040
01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:35.599
I'm making you do is think yeah, yeah, So at

1041
01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:38.840
the end of the day, people need to take a

1042
01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:45.039
step back, take a deep freaking breath, and realize there's

1043
01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:48.760
so much in this world, even in your backyard that

1044
01:03:48.840 --> 01:03:51.920
you have no idea about. Get down on your hands

1045
01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:54.239
and knees and look in your grass and see if

1046
01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:57.719
you know anything about anything that's in your freaking grass.

1047
01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:01.960
You don't unless you happen to be a biologist or

1048
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:05.920
a grass expert or a lawn you know what I mean.

1049
01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:10.480
And that's just a little microcosm. But I think I

1050
01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:15.840
think people are so we need because we talked about

1051
01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:19.800
civil discourse earlier. What the human race needs is some

1052
01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:24.000
freaking humility and understand that we are not the center

1053
01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:28.000
of this universe. This is not we don't have the

1054
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:30.679
answers to any of this. We're just here. We're like,

1055
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:38.119
we are tourists in our own world, right, And yeah,

1056
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:43.840
stop stop thinking that you have the answers. Did you

1057
01:04:43.920 --> 01:05:08.480
freeze on me because we're talking about good stuff? Okay, yeah,

1058
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:12.599
so we're recording again. But every time you start talking

1059
01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:20.039
about great stuff, man, things can go haywire, right, unbelievable.

1060
01:05:20.679 --> 01:05:23.159
But I don't even know what was the last thing

1061
01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:24.039
you heard me say.

1062
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:28.400
I don't know. I've just been swearing at my router.

1063
01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:31.280
But we Yeah, so we were just talking about you

1064
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:33.960
said humility. You know, we've we've got to have human.

1065
01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:36.840
Yeah, we've got to have humility because at the end

1066
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:40.000
of the day, we we think that we know all

1067
01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:43.599
this stuff, and but so much of it is it's

1068
01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:48.920
I'm condienced, we're not supposed to know, and or that

1069
01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:51.280
it's just not our place. If we figure it out,

1070
01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:53.800
then we figured it out. But otherwise it's not going

1071
01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:56.719
to be handed to us. And and that's what I

1072
01:05:56.760 --> 01:05:59.280
was trying to say, like with this podcast, I don't

1073
01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:03.239
it's called broadcasting seeds because I'm planting seeds in your mind.

1074
01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:07.039
And I feel like, you know, a lot of shows

1075
01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:10.239
do that. That's kind of the ideas, and I get

1076
01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:12.679
a lot of hate for it because I want people

1077
01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:16.519
to think outside of their little and I say this

1078
01:06:16.599 --> 01:06:22.119
a lot, think outside of your little box because it's

1079
01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:24.960
not natural. The guest I had last night that I

1080
01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:28.679
was talking to you kind of open my mind to

1081
01:06:28.719 --> 01:06:33.440
the fact that boxes aren't natural. They don't exist in nature. Nothing.

1082
01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:37.320
There's no straight lines in nature. So at the end

1083
01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:39.840
of the day, a box is what, it's nothing but

1084
01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:43.119
four straight lines, Right, You're not supposed to be in there,

1085
01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:50.920
bro get your mind out of it. And so there

1086
01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:53.679
if there's a subject matter that you have to think

1087
01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:57.119
outside the box, it's it's UFO U A p alien

1088
01:06:57.400 --> 01:07:02.239
the whole thing. Like we're literally talking about something that

1089
01:07:02.360 --> 01:07:09.840
is alien by definition to us curious and you know,

1090
01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:13.639
we could we could obviously the whole nother show to

1091
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:16.199
go down that rabbit hole. But at the end of

1092
01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:16.960
the day.

1093
01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:21.400
There's two things that really helped me get my head

1094
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:24.880
around it, and that's one of them is that, like

1095
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:29.639
no matter what you find out, you know about how

1096
01:07:29.719 --> 01:07:34.480
crazy this gets, the end result is your everyday life.

1097
01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:38.559
You know. Just because we find out what's in the sausage, like.

1098
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:41.239
It doesn't change anything.

1099
01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:44.519
The end result is your everyday life. You know. So

1100
01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:46.679
till people say like, oh, what if it's what if

1101
01:07:46.719 --> 01:07:48.679
they hate us, what if it's like this, it's like, well,

1102
01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:51.920
if they did, you'd know about it. It's something bad

1103
01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:55.119
would have already happened. You finding out this isn't going

1104
01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:59.039
to trigger it into happening. So the end result must

1105
01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:01.960
be that it either doesn't care or it's pretty cool

1106
01:08:02.119 --> 01:08:03.679
with thos you know, like.

1107
01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:07.880
Hey, you're not the center of the universe.

1108
01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:08.159
Bro.

1109
01:08:08.440 --> 01:08:12.159
Absolutely, Bro, But you're not the center of the universe.

1110
01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:16.520
I'm sorry, You're not that important. We're not that important

1111
01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:20.880
at least to whatever it is. Or we're ultimately important

1112
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:25.359
and they're just using us to do everything that they can. Absolutely,

1113
01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:27.680
but both things can be true at the same time.

1114
01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:33.239
And guess what, it really doesn't matter, No, it really doesn't.

1115
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:39.039
But what matters is your experience, Yes, truly, Yeah, And

1116
01:08:39.560 --> 01:08:43.560
that's what I'm understanding from this whole space that we're in.

1117
01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:48.319
This what really matters is the experiences, and this is

1118
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:52.159
why we talk to each other and other people because

1119
01:08:52.199 --> 01:08:57.000
we want that experience, right, we want to share it.

1120
01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:59.880
It's like like you said about the ants in your garden,

1121
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:04.760
like there is definitely a correlation between us fiddling around

1122
01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:08.119
with nuclear stuff and this stuff turning up, and it's

1123
01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:10.760
and it's like, you don't care about the ants in

1124
01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:12.800
your garden and they might catch a glimpse of you

1125
01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:15.279
every now and then. But if those ants discover fire

1126
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:20.560
one day, we've got a problem we do, right. And

1127
01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:24.640
I try and think of it as like it's impossible

1128
01:09:24.680 --> 01:09:28.960
to think scaling up. You can't imagine, you know, something

1129
01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:33.239
that's too dimensional. Can't imagine this room that we're in now,

1130
01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:36.920
you know. So what we can do is think down.

1131
01:09:37.000 --> 01:09:40.039
So I think about my dog. Now, I've got this

1132
01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:43.640
little terrier, and she knows what I look like, what

1133
01:09:43.720 --> 01:09:45.920
I smell like, She can tell what mood I'm in,

1134
01:09:46.399 --> 01:09:49.479
she knows what time we go out, she knows the rules,

1135
01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:51.479
you know, where she can and can't go, and all

1136
01:09:51.479 --> 01:09:55.319
this kind of stuff. But she's got no idea what

1137
01:09:55.560 --> 01:10:01.479
taxes are, what romance you know, like yeah, yeah, yeah,

1138
01:10:01.479 --> 01:10:02.199
do you know what I mean?

1139
01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:04.359
I don't want to know what taxes are either.

1140
01:10:05.720 --> 01:10:08.720
No, I wish I was, but I got to hope

1141
01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:13.279
there's no taxes in space. But there are certain level

1142
01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:17.359
levels to what makes us who we are that are

1143
01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:21.680
just totally beyond her. So she thinks she's got me

1144
01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:24.119
all figured out. You know, I'm this thing that never

1145
01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:27.840
ages and then pulls out toys every now and then

1146
01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:32.960
by magic and feeds me. And we've got exactly the

1147
01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:34.920
same relationship.

1148
01:10:34.279 --> 01:10:43.479
With probably ninety nine percent of the universe exactly. Seriously, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1149
01:10:43.479 --> 01:10:45.239
I mean, if you're thinking about it, what do they say,

1150
01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:48.880
ten eleven? It seems like it changes every day how

1151
01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:52.399
many dimensions they think they're Yeah, so at the end

1152
01:10:52.479 --> 01:10:56.600
of the day, we know that we can experience four. Yes,

1153
01:10:56.840 --> 01:10:59.680
and everyone's like, oh, it's everything street. No, there's actually

1154
01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:04.600
four that we in experience, So we're only seeing. If

1155
01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:08.359
there's eleven dimensions, we're seeing less than half.

1156
01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:09.359
Yep.

1157
01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:13.079
Also, and I've talked about this in other episodes, like

1158
01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:17.680
what we visually can see is only a fraction of

1159
01:11:17.720 --> 01:11:24.880
the entire range of of what we know about visual frequencies,

1160
01:11:25.199 --> 01:11:28.319
and we can only see like seven, like a seventh

1161
01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:30.520
of that or something. I have to find out the

1162
01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:33.880
exact thing, but for some reason I keep saying.

1163
01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:39.199
It's and it goes all the way to like microwaves

1164
01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:41.640
at one end and at the other end, and we

1165
01:11:41.720 --> 01:11:43.119
can see through adult like.

1166
01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:48.479
It's literally like looking through a telescope at at at

1167
01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:49.640
at our lawn.

1168
01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:56.479
That's yeah, literally literally. The professor John Mack from Harvard,

1169
01:11:57.119 --> 01:12:01.760
he said that like your senses of reductory. You know,

1170
01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:04.520
you can't see the Wi Fi and the radio signals

1171
01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:07.119
are around you because it would it would distract you

1172
01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:10.000
and it wouldn't be good for you. For this little monkey,

1173
01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:13.600
you need to know what food looks like, what's going

1174
01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:15.600
to kill you, what's going to do you good? You

1175
01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:19.079
know how to find the mate, and your senses have evolved.

1176
01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:23.239
And mostly either I mean exactly a very small fraction

1177
01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:25.479
that people can actually feel it like they'll get ill

1178
01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:30.399
or whatever. You can't even feel Wi Fi, not technically,

1179
01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:33.640
but it's real. I mean, think of all the data

1180
01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:38.159
floating through the air, floating through you, are around you.

1181
01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:42.720
They can't see. It's literally everything.

1182
01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:49.199
Yeah, So if we we only define life as solid,

1183
01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:51.960
you know, but like what would you call a virus

1184
01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:55.760
that's floating around. Is that like we would say, oh,

1185
01:12:55.880 --> 01:12:58.680
there's the flu floating around and getting people. So like,

1186
01:12:58.800 --> 01:13:02.520
what why why is it inconceivable that there might be

1187
01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:07.079
a form of life or intelligence that isn't solid all

1188
01:13:07.119 --> 01:13:10.640
the time and sometimes can be and then sometimes isn't

1189
01:13:10.680 --> 01:13:13.479
you know that we could be we could be surrounded

1190
01:13:13.560 --> 01:13:17.359
by stuff and like to take it back to talking

1191
01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:19.720
to my mum when she's got a client and she's

1192
01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:23.239
doing a reading. It's not like somebody's great granddad knocks

1193
01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:25.359
on the front door politely and then comes in and

1194
01:13:25.399 --> 01:13:28.399
has a chat. They just they're there, you know, they'll

1195
01:13:28.439 --> 01:13:35.600
they'll just give you that information. So intelligence has a

1196
01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:38.920
way whatever your faith or whatever I mean, religion is

1197
01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:41.760
just another way to try and explain the unexplainable. But

1198
01:13:43.720 --> 01:13:47.920
there is evidence that some form of life or intelligence

1199
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:51.000
that we have no concept of, you know, in terms

1200
01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:54.880
of solidarity and matter, can exist all around us without

1201
01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:55.720
us as knowing.

1202
01:13:55.840 --> 01:13:58.600
Well, it kind of seems like maybe there is, because

1203
01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:03.960
there's the veil what we call the veil, right, and

1204
01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:08.640
or people on the other side seem to be living

1205
01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:13.439
like in conjunction with us in the same space, but

1206
01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:17.039
we can't see them, and they technically can't see us,

1207
01:14:17.439 --> 01:14:22.039
so it's like, what do we even know? It makes

1208
01:14:22.039 --> 01:14:25.039
your mind explode a little bit. Absolutely, So at the

1209
01:14:25.119 --> 01:14:27.600
end of the day, I understand why people get confused,

1210
01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:32.279
but at the end of the day, it's not for

1211
01:14:32.399 --> 01:14:33.680
us to know right now.

1212
01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:34.880
I totally agree.

1213
01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:35.159
Yeah.

1214
01:14:35.560 --> 01:14:42.159
Professor Nolan, Gary Nolan, head of head of Stanford University.

1215
01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:46.560
He really helped my poor little brain when I was

1216
01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:49.800
trying to learn this stuff. And he said, like, if

1217
01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:53.680
you try and have a conclusion, it's like going to

1218
01:14:53.760 --> 01:14:57.560
Las Vegas. I'm putting all your money on one number.

1219
01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:00.960
He's like, you're gonna lose or you're going to be

1220
01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:04.479
right and win Nobel Prize. Isn't fantastic, but that tiny

1221
01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:09.399
He's like, just collect data and don't go, oh, that's this,

1222
01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:11.319
that's that. I mean, if you get into it, if

1223
01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:14.159
you get into remote viewing and stuff like that, the

1224
01:15:14.199 --> 01:15:17.279
biggest mistake you can make is saying that's a church.

1225
01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:19.319
What you do is you say I can see a

1226
01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:23.640
sort of triangle, and you just gently collect the data.

1227
01:15:23.640 --> 01:15:26.920
As soon as you jump to conclusions, you're heading into

1228
01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:28.000
a cul de sac.

1229
01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:31.359
Yeah, I wrote that down.

1230
01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:34.159
Gerry nor One, Yeah, amazing guy.

1231
01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:36.640
Yeah, I gotta I gotta check it out. And I

1232
01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:38.800
hate to do this, man, but we've got to kind

1233
01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:41.600
of wrap it up. I know, running out of time.

1234
01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:44.880
Even with technical difficulties, I figured out, if you can see,

1235
01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:48.279
I figured out what's going on there. You helped me

1236
01:15:48.319 --> 01:15:50.199
figure it out. But what I did is I just

1237
01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:58.079
turned down the brightness on the screen. Now it's gone right, Yeah, yeah, good, Yeah,

1238
01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:03.199
it's gone right. Whatever, it's just at another instance of

1239
01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:09.000
what we're talking about. I'm sitting here like, yeah, it's ridiculous.

1240
01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:13.680
So and I feel like we need to frankly, we

1241
01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:17.600
need to do this again at some point within maybe

1242
01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:20.199
in a short time maybe a few months, if that

1243
01:16:20.239 --> 01:16:25.079
would sound awesome or sound good. So tell folks where

1244
01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:26.479
they can find you again.

1245
01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:32.399
Okay, Well, I'm in two places. So my channel on

1246
01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:36.439
YouTube is tom Vern and UAP and I, like I said,

1247
01:16:36.439 --> 01:16:39.000
I do the deep dive documentaries on there or look

1248
01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:42.119
into particular cases and stuff like that. And then I'm

1249
01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:44.760
also co host on the UAP files and you can

1250
01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:47.239
find them on Instagram and YouTube and on that we

1251
01:16:47.359 --> 01:16:51.680
tend to do interviews with experiences and people that are

1252
01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:54.520
really at the cutting edge of it. So it's a

1253
01:16:54.520 --> 01:16:55.039
lot of fun.

1254
01:16:55.720 --> 01:17:00.119
That's awesome. So again, thank you so much for coming on.

1255
01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:04.239
Great conversation. I wish I could talk to you all day.

1256
01:17:04.800 --> 01:17:08.239
I really appreciate it. Man. Yeah, any anytime, anytime, Yeah.

1257
01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:11.560
For sure, I will definitely reach out and uh hey

1258
01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:13.239
thanks thanks again.

1259
01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:14.960
Great mom.

1260
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:18.439
Yeah, I got bad thoughts that make my mind scared,

1261
01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:20.760
hold me hostage, and they don't fight fair.

1262
01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:21.960
Who gonna pray for me?

1263
01:17:22.039 --> 01:17:24.319
And white brough my tests? Who's gonna save me?

1264
01:17:24.479 --> 01:17:27.279
If you're not right here? Move this darkness and make

1265
01:17:27.319 --> 01:17:29.720
my sight clear to take me your way because I

1266
01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:30.720
don't like you.

1267
01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:31.960
Don't stop my past.

1268
01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:34.000
Day feel in the night heare wake me up and

1269
01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:55.720
chopped in my nightmass chopped in my Nightmas, trying and

1270
01:17:55.840 --> 01:17:58.439
trying and not move the deep in apparition.

1271
01:17:58.760 --> 01:18:01.800
Some of all my demons, all my thoughts are making

1272
01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:03.279
treason all alone.

1273
01:18:03.359 --> 01:18:05.159
I'm going ahead me screaming.

1274
01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:09.880
Manifestations of my face, regrets that stretched out for light years.

1275
01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:11.359
You can almost touch the light.

1276
01:18:11.279 --> 01:18:14.680
Homies right there, body free but tracting my Nightmas.

1277
01:18:15.439 --> 01:18:19.920
I don't let me ja our life of fad. All

1278
01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:23.840
my life is faith, all my life is faced on

1279
01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:27.960
that way. I don't let me John. All my life

1280
01:18:28.039 --> 01:18:32.840
is fading. All my life is fading.

1281
01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:52.199
We need trapped in my Nightmas.

1282
01:19:01.880 --> 01:19:03.840
Don't the point like this s