Feb. 4, 2025

The Epic of Esau: Forgotten Story of the Bible | Justin 'Doc' Brown Interview

The Epic of Esau: Forgotten Story of the Bible | Justin 'Doc' Brown Interview
The Epic of Esau: Forgotten Story of the Bible | Justin 'Doc' Brown Interview
The Broadcasting Seeds Podcast
The Epic of Esau: Forgotten Story of the Bible | Justin 'Doc' Brown Interview

Ladies and gentlemen, today on the Broadcasting Seeds podcast, we have the pleasure of welcoming Justin "Doc" Brown, the insightful host of the Prometheus Lens Podcast. Hailing from the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains in East Tennessee, Doc is...

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Ladies and gentlemen, today on the Broadcasting Seeds podcast, we have the pleasure of welcoming Justin "Doc" Brown, the insightful host of the Prometheus Lens Podcast. Hailing from the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains in East Tennessee, Doc is a self-described "stereotypical blue-collar 9-5 guy" who balances work and family life with his passion for exploring the deeper mysteries of faith, history, and the unknown. Growing up in a church environment, Doc's inquisitive nature led him to question and delve deeper into biblical narratives. His journey took a transformative turn around 2010 when he encountered discussions on Nephilim giants, fallen angels, and UFOs, igniting a thirst for knowledge that has yet to be quenched. This path led him to engage with thinkers like Trey Smith, Derek and Sharon Gilbert, and Dr. Michael Heiser. In 2021, feeling compelled to share his amassed insights, Doc co-founded The Dig Bible Podcast, creating a platform to discuss these profound topics. His latest venture, the Prometheus Lens Podcast, continues this exploration, aiming to equip listeners for their own "Hero's Journey" by delving into the intersections of faith, history, and the unexplained. Please join me in welcoming Justin "Doc" Brown to the show. Doc Brown Links Podcast - https://prometheuslenspodcast.com/ Book - https://a.co/d/2pq12lu Broadcasting Seeds Links Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/2EUqA7cL5B4mFolSZwOsTY?si=9f693826971f49eb Apple https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-broadcasting-seeds-podcast/id1754460480 Rumble https://rumble.com/user/BroadcastingSeeds YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@BroadcastingSeeds

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Ladies and gentlemen. Today on the Broadcasting Seeds podcast, we

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have a pleasure of welcoming justin. Doc Brown the insightful

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host of the Prometheus Lens podcast. Hailing from the foothills

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of the Appalachian Mountains in eastern Tennessee, Doc has a

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self described stereotypical, blue color nine to five guy who

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balanced his work and family life with his passion for

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exploring the deeper mysteries of faith, history and the unknown.

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Growing up in the church, Doc's inquisitive nature led him

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to question and delve deeper into biblical narratives. His journey

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took a transformative turn around twenty ten when he encountered

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discussions on nephelm giants, fallen angels, and UFOs, igniting a

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thirst for knowledge that has yet to be quenched. This

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path led him to engage with thinkers like Trey Smith,

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Derek and Sharon Gilbert, and doctor Michael Heizer, and in

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twenty twenty one, feeling compelled to share his amassed insight

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it's Doc co founded the dig Bible podcast, creating a

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platform to discuss these profound topics. His latest venture, the

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Prometheus Lens podcast, continues this exploration aiming to equip the

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listeners for their own hero's journey by delving into the

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intersection of faith, history and unexplained. We'll also be talking

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about his new book, The Epic of Esa. Please join

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me in welcoming Justin Doc Brown to the show. All right,

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we are live with Justin Doc Brown.

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How you doing, man, I'm doing good, brother, Thanks for

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having me.

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So, Doc, tell us who you are and what you do.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, my name is Justin Brown. Just kind of got

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the nickname Doc Brown. But I'm just your normal nine

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to five joe.

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Man.

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I'm a knuckle dragger working. I'm working steel and plastics

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and I'm currently in plastics and chemical compound mixing and

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stuff like that. But past decade, past twelve years, I've

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really started deep diving and researching the Bible and ancient history,

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lost civilizations and all those those fascinating things. And where

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I was raised in the Church, I have this Christian worldview,

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this big worldview, and I just like connecting dots.

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Man.

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I think Derek Gilbert said it best when he said

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that he was a generalist. So that that's me. I

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know a little bit about a lot of things. And yeah,

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and I just make all these little connections and stuff

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with the Bible and started podcasting. So been podcasting and

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just reaching out to authors and researchers and peoples that I,

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you know, look up to in their minds and get

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to have conversations like we're having today and exchange puzzle pieces. Man,

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I love it.

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Yeah, tell us the name of your podcast?

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Hell yeah, the name of the podcast? Why I have too.

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I'm a glutton for punishment. I started one with some

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friends as like a Bible study, and that was called

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the dig Bible Podcast. And then about a year and

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a half, maybe two years into that, I branched off

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and started just a show on my own and digging

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not the just the Bible, but like I said earlier,

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ancient conspiracies, cryptids and all those other fun topics. And

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that one's called the Prometheus Lens Podcast. I love the name, man,

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I love it. I thank you.

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Yeah all right. So you also have a new book

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that when did it come out?

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Tuesday?

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Tuesday, January twenty sixt right, yeah, and it is called

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The Epic of Esau, The Birthrate and Seed War.

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Yeah.

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Man, who did the cover for you?

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Or did you? I did? I did it. I did

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it all. No editors, no people designing my cover. This

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I can say it's one hundred percent me, man, And

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it's kind of surreal. Uh if anybody that knew me,

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you know, growing up, I was I was a hellion man,

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and I was not an intellectual guy, like to read

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or any of that stuff. So writing a book was

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definitely not something I seen myself doing.

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Not in your wheelhouse, right, Yeah, wow, it's so all right.

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So I know the the epic of these all. I

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know the story. So get give us some uh some

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knowledge on this man. And like you know, obviously you

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can't tell us the whole book, but so like so

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many people with the cloak, and is it is he

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saw Bigfoot? Is he a sasquatch? What what's going on here?

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Is basically what you know? I think the people want

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to know because it's a it's a heck of a story,

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simple story, but it's very deep, especially when you get

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into translations and stuff. Right, So take it away, my friend.

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Yeah, the this is honestly and luck even my show

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I've kind of coined it as the the Hero's Journey.

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You know, I open up every show I tell people,

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you know, welcome to the hero's journey that you have

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to go into the unknown, you have to slay the dragon,

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you have to rescue the damsel. Ye, but you come

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out on the other end as a hero. And I've

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always loved the Greek mythologies and stuff like that, so

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it's kind of like all those stories. You get this

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boom and they call it the prize of great wealth,

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you know, which was symbolically the fire in the Prometheus story.

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So once you slay the dragon and save the damsel,

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your story's not over there, if you notice, they always

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have to turn around and come back and share this prize,

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this boon of great wealth with humanity. And so whether

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we realize it or not, we are all on this

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hero's journey, and this story unfolded in the very same way.

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I was joking around with some friends and we had

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Trey Smith from God in the Nutshell on the show,

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and we were talking and he was like, Hey, you

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guys are from East Tennessee. That's bigfoot country. He said,

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maybe I'll come down there sometime. We can go bigfoot hunting.

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And I knew the bigfoot stuff, you know, but I

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was never like what I would call an enthusiast. I

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knew about the Patterson Gamblin film. I knew some of

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the general stories, but I was not this guy that

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bought the books and read them and listened to all

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the podcasts of the encounters. I was a generalist when

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it comes to it, a big but I had a

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friend Steve on the show that he is an enthusiast.

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But when he said that, I don't know where it

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came from. You can call it the Holy Spirit, you know,

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the ancient Greeks called.

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It the muse.

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But out of nowhere, I just Genesis twenty five, twenty

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five just popped into my head. I've read that verse

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my whole life, but it hit me different. And when

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it hit me, I was just like he saw the

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first one come out red covered in hair from head

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to toe like a Harry Cloak. And so I catally

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just joked and said, Trey, what about Esau? Do you

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think Esau might have been like the first Bigfoot or

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the first bigfoot seed? And I just kind of I

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mean I said it catally like a joke, you know,

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just laughed it off, and he even kind of laughed.

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He's like, I don't know, Yeah, he was a Harry dude,

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wouldn't he. And I kind of just put it back

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in the back of my mind. And it was like

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two weeks later, I had Gary Wayne on the show

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and I wanted him to talk about the epic of

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Gilgamesh because I've seen Gary talk about a lot of stuff,

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and I've heard he mentioned the Epic of Gilgamesh. I

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was like, I want to take a deep die with him.

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I think there's like a wizard. Yeah, he really, So

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I sat down to read the whole account. Because I

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was a generalist, I just knew the general outline of

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the story. So I sit down and read the whole

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thing and I come across this guy named Inky Do.

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He was covered in hair from head to toe. He

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gets in a fight with the Gilgamesh and I was like, dude,

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this sounds a lot like this guy named Esau. And

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then once again I had another guest and I had

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to take a little bit of a dive into the

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Book of Jashuer, and in there I find that Esau

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has a fight to the death with King Nimrod, the

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gibble Ring, the Mighty Hunter, and that they both were

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the Mighty Hunters, you know, and that they had this

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epic battle like Highlander, you know, there could only be

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one baby, and I just kept finding all these little

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things and I was like, dude, this is pretty wild.

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And I reached out to another podcaster named Bo Kennedy

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who has the Bump podcast. Yeah, yeah, and I was

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telling him, you know about Esau and how I think maybe,

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you know, it sounds like a bigfoot if we take

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all of our preconceived notions and just read the Bible

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and let it say what it says. If we've seen

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somebody out in the woods r out on the street

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that was described here in just As twenty five twenty five,

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with our modern context, we'd say, dude, that's a Sasquatch.

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And I told him about you know how in Jeshure

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I found him and Themrod had a battle and that

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he stole these garments from him, it says, and it

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turns out that these are the garments given to Adam

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and Eve in the garden, and there they have some

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supernatural powers and all this kind of stuff. I was like,

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I think it'd be a pretty cool episode if you

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want to talk about it, and he's like, yeah, man,

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let's talk about it. And we talked about it, and

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it was like I think it was like in November and.

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You did this in November that with him, I feel

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like I listened year and a half.

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Ago and he was like, well, what do you want

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to call it? And I said, I don't know. I said,

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let me think about it. I'll get back with you.

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And he's like, well, I know what i'd call it.

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He said, I'd call it the Epic of Esau.

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Yes.

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I was like, dude, that's awesome. Yeah, I run with

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that man. And it went extremely well. And after that

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episode we talked about it, and if you go back,

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it's funny. You can watch that episode and I have

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the general outline that I talk about even now, but

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it was just surface level. I had no idea how

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deep this rabbit hole went. And at the end of

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the year they had the wrap and they tell you, you know,

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your most downloaded episodes and all that stuff, and Bo

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texted me and he was like, justin You're never going

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to believe this, he said. I think he said it

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was like in his top five most downloaded episodes for

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the entire year and it only had two and a

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half months in that year.

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That's crazy.

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And Bo's got a large following. Yeah, and I was like, dude,

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that's crazy. But the responses were insane. I had all

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kinds of emails, direct messages, texts from friends, just everybody

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was reaching out. It was like, dude, you need to

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write a book. And that's what kind of got me

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started on this, this whole trail.

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It's it's yeah, extra biblical books.

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Yeah. And the thing is too, is they're not you know,

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canonized books.

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Yeah. And that and that's what I'm really looking at

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is the scattered I mean, it's literally scattered pieces right

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throughout yeah, Dasher, I mean, and and some of those

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are not you know, but it's it's kind of the

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same thing is like it's a story that goes across

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civilizations as well, m which is kind of telling as well.

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Right, So yeah, ancient source. To me, it signals that

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there's a more ancient source if you have so many

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stories that are so similar and just a few little caveats,

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you know, twisted or missing.

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And names or or whatever. Yeah, it's pretty pretty intense.

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I mean, and the whole story is a it's it's

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an epic. Yeah, it's great.

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So I mean you take those and you take them,

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like you said, they're just pieces and all these other books.

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But like any good investigator, I went through and I

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read them, and I grabbed all the pieces and put

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them together, and I tried to like place them into

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the Biblical narrative like a puzzle, and if it didn't fit,

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I threw it behind me and kept going. But the

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ones that fit, I'm telling you, man, I'm not just

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trying to sell you a book, but it tells a complete,

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perfectly flowing story of this enigmatic character of the Bible

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that we know is Esau. And it's it's just a

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it's amazing. And we have to remember our sixty six

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book Cannon was not always a book. It was written

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by hundreds of different authors, different scrolls that were all

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compiled together to make a book. And a lot of

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these extra biblical books that I reference, there's direct quotes

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from them in your sixty six book Cannon. Yes, and

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there's direct references to these books. So to me, that

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shows me that these were well known stories, they were

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well known oral traditions, and it was read and believed

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and accepted by the Biblical writers. So if it was

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good enough for them, why shouldn't it be good enough

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for us.

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Yes, it's like source material the Bible historical context, right

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and and yeah, over a thousand year period. I mean,

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it's it's that. That's one of the things that's amazing

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about the Bible is is written by so many folks

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over such a long time they've had, we've had a

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lot of time to hash these things out, right, I mean,

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and and by no means is anyone, uh, the authority

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on the Bible, right everybody, not everyone, but a lot

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of people put their own opinion in in their interpretation

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of the of the Bible itself, which you know, language

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is a problem sometimes, whether it's Greek or Hebrew or

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Aramaic or you know, some of these books are and

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some of the extrachanical uh uh.

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I can't even say that word right now for some reason, and.

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Right, uh and or we have fragments of things, right

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and and some fragments don't match.

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Up necessarily perfectly, like a puzzle. Right.

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So there's a lot of conjecture and a lot of

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this stuff too, But I think at the end of

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the day, it's all coming from the same place, right, Yeah.

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And I mean I'm a Christian as well, i uh,

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And I just love these stories there.

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You've got to you've got to approach the Bible.

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And what I think is amazing about this story is

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that it allows you to approach the Bible from a

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more suit. Because I'm a bigfoot guy, I'm kind of

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like it gives me that little uh uh, glimmer of hope,

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glimmer of supernatural uh. And I love reading it from

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a supernatural through the supernatural lens the right correct because

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that stuff all existed at that time, and we've so

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gotten away from that in our modern society that I mean,

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the only thing that we talk about in a supernatural

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form is the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Other than that,

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the rest of it's, oh, it's all you know, it's

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not real. It's just you know, conjecture or what's the word.

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You know, it's it's all hyperbole and whatnot. And I

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don't believe that. I think, you know, giants roam the earth.

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I think there was dragons and all the things man,

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you know. And so the fact that this could be

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the source story for Bigfoot, it's kind of cool, and

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it definitely is that's my gateway drug to this whole world,

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this whole realm, this high strangeness that we that we

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kind of live in now with these podcasts and and

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our research is that was my gateway, Uh was Bigfoot?

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So yeah, what about you? I mean, giants were mine?

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The giants. Yeah.

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Man, when I found the Giants and the Genesis six

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narrative and realized that that sethought view that I've been

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taught my whole life was bunk and uh kind of,

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like we said in that The Big Bible podcast, it

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kind of stuck. We coined it. Uh, one of the

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one of my buddies during one of the episodes, we

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were talking about the the seth Out view and trying

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to you know, debunk it and show everybody that it

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was bunk, and Uh, I'll never forget my buddy Chad.

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He said, uh, yeah, but there's a problem with that.

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He said, Kissing cousins don't make thirty footers.

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Bros don't make thirty footers.

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Wow, it's yeah. I mean that's a that's pretty funny.

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That's great. What I just can't get old were the

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those giant The giant stories are insane. Well, the Book

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of Enoch in itself where it kind of gives some

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clarity to stuff that's in Genesis that they talk about

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and Gary, guys like Gary Wayne will make your head

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explode gets going?

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So what else? So we've got Esau, But what other.

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Stories do you really dig into that that really peek

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your like your storytelling juices and and things like it,

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like if you're going on a podcast or something. Other

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things in the past that you've talked about besides Esau,

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Like just stories that you said giants are like your

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your jam, but things that get you going, you.

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Know, yeah, just all that, you know, the supernatural and

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the unexplored stuff, and really putting myself in the mindset

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of the ancient people so I can get a better

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understanding of some of these stories. And honestly, I'm kind

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of like obsessive, compulsive, and with this ESAU thing, it's

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been almost two years of you know, deep dive research

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and tearing this thing apart, and it's been kind of

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like my obsession. And that's that's what I tell people

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when they ask about the book. It's like I say

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it with affirmitive you're you're not going to find a

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better researched book than this because I was obsessed with it.

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I read everything, I left no stone unturned. You might

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not agree with some of my interpretations. But I tell

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you outright in the book, you know, here's this verse,

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here's what it said, Here's what this person this book said.

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And I give you all the resources, and then I

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tell you why I think it's this and this is

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my conjecture in my opinion. But I found in it

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a bunch of subset subjects and there's so many in

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there that I've been kind of deep diving and going into. Like,

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for instance, when I was doing this, I went back

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to the garden, the Garden of Eden. I had discovered

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in that book of Jashure that he saw in Nimrod.

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They fought to the death, and it says that he

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takes the time to remove Nimrod's garments, and then it

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says he takes the garments and hides them and goes home,

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and that's when he trades the birth right. And when

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you read Genesis, that was always really confusing to me. Yeah,

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I was like the birth right. Even as a kid,

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I knew that this was the inheritance. This was you know,

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modern day terms. If you were Donald Trump's son, you

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were a little baron and you had another brother, but

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you were set to inherit everything. The millions of dollars,

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the company, everything, and you just come in one day

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from work and you're exhausted, and your little brothers eating

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the bag of Dorito's and you're like, hey, let me

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have some of those doritos, bro, And then your little

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brother's like, yeah, I'll give you some chips, but just

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sign over the company. And then you're like, ah, yeah, sure,

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what use is the company to me when I'm dead?

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Take it?

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That makes absolutely no sense, right, But when you tie

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in this Book of Jashure, it makes perfect sense because

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he just murdered the king. He's on the run, he's

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scared for his life, and all the texts talk about

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Nimrod being a gibbereim, the same word us it described

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the Nephelom giants, and it was there was two other

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gibble Rem mighty men with him. So this man, this

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hairy quote unquote man kills three gible Rem giants single

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handedly in combat. So you know he probably sustained some

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life threatening injuries. Yeah, maybe, And that ties into the

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Book of Genesis. It says the only thing it says

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is he comes in from the field exhausted. Yeah, he

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was exhausted, all right, And that got right yeah, and

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that's why he said, what use is a birthright to me?

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When I'm dead?

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Take it?

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Because he was bleeding out and he was on the

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run and he was scared for his life. That was

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a desperation move. And I think the Book of Genesis

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didn't go into that much detail with it because either

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A they already had this story of Jasher, this this

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scroll of Jasher already written down and well established. Everybody

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doesnet knew it. So they was like, ah, there's no

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need to go into great detail and be the dead horse.

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the very least a very well established oral tradition that

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the writer felt like he didn't need to elaborate on.

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And the same thing with the Genesis six Giants.

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Yeah, it seems to happen quite a bit.

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Yeah, they had the Book of Enoch.

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Yep, so it gives a context and they don't feel

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like they need to elaborate.

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Yeah, yeah, it's huge, that's great point. So I was like,

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you know, what is up with these garments? That had

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to be something important? Yeah, and then I found out

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that this was the garments that were given to Adam

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and Eve in the garden, and then I was like, well,

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how the hell did Nemrod wind up with them? And

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then you keep reading through Jasher and you find out

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that Ham in his going out stole the garments. Yeah,

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and then I'm like, okay, now I got I go

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back to Genesis and to the garden and look into

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this a little deeper. And then as I got to study,

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and it was like the wording of that, you know,

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and how it all just unveiled to me, And basically

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I just come to the conclusion on my own that

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the garments given to Adam and Eve in the garden

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was the coverings of the nakash, which is the Hebrew

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word you know for serpent. And this Mike we've talked about. Mike,

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you know, broke that word down and said that, yeah,

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that word can mean serpent, but can also mean the

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the shining one or the one who practices divination. Right,

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So I was like, well, what makes more sense in

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the context a talking snake rebelled against God and caused

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the fall of humanity, or a divine being on God's

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holy mountain in his divine council, a shining one rebelled

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and caused the downfall of humanity. That makes a lot

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more sense. And then when you go to Ezekiel twenty eight,

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that's talking to Satan and it says you were perfect

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in all your ways. You were on the mountain of God.

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Every precious stone was your covering. And it's you know,

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says sorry this topaz barrel ONYX and all these different

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multicolored stones at lists nine. But when you go to

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the septuagent, there's twelve listed. That's the priestly ephod. Yeah,

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that's what that is. And then it even says there

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that not only did he have on this priest's garment,

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it said that he defiled his sanctuaries. So it says

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that that Satan had a sanctuary, he wore this priestly

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ephod with multicolored stones and gold inlays and all this stuff.

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I was like, well, that certainly fits the description of

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his name. He certainly would be a shining one wearing

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this garment. And then I was like to wait a minute.

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The Rabbis traced their origin to Adam and say Adam

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was the first king and priest of all creation. I

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was like, so when these guys were thrown out, Satan

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was dethroned lost his priestly position, and his garments was

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taken from him. His authority in priesthood symbol was taken

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from him and bestowed upon Adam. You know that alone

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answer so many biblical narrative issues. You know that alone

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would make Satan hate you, right absolutely, And that's why

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these garments were so important, and that was the birthright

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because it follows it and says it was given to Adam,

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and Adam passed it on to Seth and then to Enoch,

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to Matthuselah went down the line. And this is in

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my opinion, I think it's when it talks about the

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order of milk. That's what this was. It was the

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priesthood and Ham steals them and that's how Nimrod winds

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up with them. And the Book of Jasher says that

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at the coming of age, when he was twenty years old,

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that he put on the garments and he became a

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mighty man, a gibble reem. So I think that even

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answers in Genesis, where all of a sudden it says

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that Nimrod became a gibble ring it was through these garments.

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Yeah, So, because that was one of my questions, is

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what kind of power would these garments actually have, like

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are they just a like a form of wealth, right,

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or a token of him with all the jewels and

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all the gems and the inlays and all the stuff

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the shining nature or or does it actually have a.

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Power bestowed upon the wearer? Right? Well, all the texts

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they make it out to where that this thing had

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supernatural powers that it bestowed upon the person. And even

459
00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:20.079
when you read Jashure, putting this garment on is what

460
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:25.160
makes him a giveble reem. And I've told people on

461
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:28.640
a couple shows, I was like, whether it truly was

462
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:33.359
or not, you can debate that, but according to the

463
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.279
text and their beliefs, they believed it to be right.

464
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:43.920
And it wasn't until I read Lewis Ginsburg's books. He

465
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:48.160
wrote a nine book series and I got the digital form.

466
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.759
But it's called Legends of the Jews. And if you

467
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:55.400
guys want to take a super deep dive on some

468
00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:58.440
biblical characters and stories that you're not going to hear

469
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:03.599
anywhere else from a Jewish perspective, I highly recommend you

470
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:08.640
check that out. But in there of the Jews, yeah, okay,

471
00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:13.400
And in there it talks about these garments, and it

472
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:18.599
actually says that it was the skins of of the Nakash,

473
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:20.559
And I'm my holy craft, they're coming up with this,

474
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:23.000
you know, I didn't found these out on my own.

475
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:28.559
I thought, right, this was done the ancient Jewish thought

476
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:31.680
thousands of years ago, So I thought that was pretty good.

477
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:36.240
So when we say skins of the Nakash, what does

478
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:36.720
that mean?

479
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.000
I mean, like I think it was just like his

480
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:42.759
coverings and it was referring to this this priestly e

481
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:44.200
thought and.

482
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:47.000
What's crazy and what he was wearing the shining one

483
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:52.799
at the war, not literally his skin right right, because

484
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:55.720
I mean some people would interpret that as the skin

485
00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:00.400
of the snake, right or the serpent, And sounds like

486
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.720
they're making boots out of this thing, you know, yeah,

487
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:06.359
you know what I mean, like snake's skin boots or something.

488
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:08.960
And that's kind of in my in my head that

489
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:11.599
they're making the robe out of that. But with that

490
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:18.160
other translation or that other that makes more sense. Just

491
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:19.960
like you said, it makes way more sense.

492
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:24.240
And then when I watched that movie Noah in twenty fourteen,

493
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:28.240
when I watched that, I was like, ah, they got

494
00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:32.519
so much stuff wrong. Yeah, yeah, they got stone giants

495
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:35.359
helped build the arc, and they're, yeah, trying to get

496
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:38.119
redeemed and get back to heaven and all this stuff.

497
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:41.920
But then once I studied this subject and went down

498
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.519
this rabbit hole and read you know, Lewis Ginsburg's Legends

499
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:47.839
of the Jews, and read the Book of Jasher and

500
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:52.880
Jubileese and all these other books, once again it was

501
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:54.480
like a bowl of light and hit my head. And

502
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.400
I remember that movie. I was like, holy shit, it

503
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:01.839
makes sense right because that movie starts it shows Adam

504
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:05.160
and Eve in the garden is these like glowing light beings.

505
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:08.640
Then it shows this snake slither up and it opens

506
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:15.119
its mouth and it sheds its skin and heads toward

507
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:20.240
the tree. And then it shows Adam walk over pick

508
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:25.359
up this skin, and that's kind of the only glimpse

509
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:28.799
you get of the garden. But then later on you

510
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:35.440
see King Ogg with this golden, shimmering snake skin. Yeah,

511
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:38.680
that he either has wrapped around his arm like a

512
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.000
bracelet or he carried in a bag around his neck,

513
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:45.279
and that was like his crown. That was his symbol

514
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:50.920
of kingship. And in that movie, Ogg sneaks into the

515
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:55.000
boat Ham discovers him and keeps it a secret from

516
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:59.440
Ally's family. But he's obsessed with this snake skin. You

517
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:03.079
watch that, remember, he would just like stare at it

518
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.759
and awe. And then one day, while Ogg was asleep,

519
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.519
he even tries to steal this, and Aug catches him

520
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:11.519
and he kind of grabs him and shakes him a

521
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:13.440
little bit, and he's like, you're not a man yet.

522
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:18.240
This is for a man. And then later on, Noah

523
00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:20.799
and Oug getting a fight on the boat and Ham

524
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:24.720
sneaks up and stabs Ogg in the back and Oug

525
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:28.880
turns around, blood coming out of his mouth, and he says,

526
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:34.200
now you're a man, and he hands him the coverings

527
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.680
of the nakash. And then there's the falling out and

528
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.839
it shows Ham while Noah's getting drunk, he just throws

529
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:45.880
this bag at Noah. That was the serpent covering. Because

530
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:49.079
at the end of the movie, it shows him wrapping

531
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:53.279
that snake skin around his arm and it's glowing in

532
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:56.559
gold and shimmering and he says, and he says, there,

533
00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:01.680
it's so important. He says, this is the birthright given

534
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:08.400
to Adam. He said, and he was commanded to go forth,

535
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:12.920
be fruitful and multiply and the kids are holding those

536
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:16.800
two newborn babies, and he walks over and he says, now,

537
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:19.000
I passed this blessing to you, and the head of

538
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:22.400
the serpent was on his finger, and he touches the

539
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:26.199
children's heads and blesses them and passes the birth right.

540
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:29.719
And I was like, that's exactly what this is, right,

541
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.760
And it was just crazy to go through and read

542
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:42.159
these and follow that. When Esau heals Nimrod, which was

543
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:47.760
like symbolically ogg in that twenty fourteen movie, he takes

544
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:49.840
the coverings that says, he hides him in his house

545
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:55.320
and he trades his birthright. And then at the death

546
00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:01.119
of Isaac, Isaac tells him to go go out hunt and

547
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:03.719
bring him prepare him one last meal for his death,

548
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:06.599
and he would pass the blessing to him. So that

549
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:10.880
kind of shows you that Esau verbally traded the birthright

550
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.800
to his younger brother, but he didn't intend on honoring it, yeah,

551
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:20.760
in all actuality. And Rebecca hears it and she tells

552
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:25.559
Jacob to go kill a goat and she would prepare

553
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:28.039
a meal, and they're going to take this goat skin

554
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:30.960
and wrap it around him to fool their blind father.

555
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:35.760
So this his hairiness is not hyperbole, it's not poetic language.

556
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:42.519
He's literatly. Yeah, that Harry. And there's a little nugget

557
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:45.239
in there that you will read over if you've not

558
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:49.880
had this context. It says that that has to put

559
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:54.280
the cherry on top. It says before he goes in,

560
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:59.400
that she goes and gets a special garment of Esau's

561
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:06.639
and puts on him. That is the supernatural garments from

562
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:09.639
the Garden of God that he stole from Nimrod. The

563
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:13.440
coat or whatever it is, Yes, what do we think?

564
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:17.880
Is it a coat? Is it a you know, it.

565
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:19.880
Describes it kind of like you know, the priest leave

566
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:24.119
all with with the breastplate and all with stones, and

567
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.639
but he goes in and he tricks his father. But

568
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:29.519
one thing I talked about in the book too is

569
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:33.360
when he walks up, he feels of him and he says, oh, yes,

570
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:38.280
you are my son is yeah, and he says, you

571
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:44.079
even smell like the field, my son. And I was like,

572
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:47.639
you hear all these phantom smells and you know, foul

573
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:54.440
smells from these sasquatch sightings, and I think, you know,

574
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:58.599
you have that garment being passed down. I think that

575
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:02.760
was the Coat of many Colors that was given to Joseph.

576
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:09.360
Joseph right, the Code of Mini Yeah, another crazy story, right, Yeah,

577
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:14.199
that crazy, I say, crazy, but definitely intricate story. So

578
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:18.039
you think it's the same garment, I mean it makes sense,

579
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:22.760
the jewels, the all the different color. What you're saying

580
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:30.679
either nine or twelve, right, whichever you listen to or believe, right,

581
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:35.920
what So here's the question about it from somebody that

582
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:37.239
studies the Bible.

583
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:38.159
What Bible?

584
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:42.119
What's your favorite version of the Bible, Like, what's your

585
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:44.360
your go to? You know what I mean?

586
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:49.199
Or do you use multiple or whatever? Yeah? I do

587
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:54.880
use multiple, but I I lean more towards the ESV.

588
00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:59.039
And you know, I mean it's kind of interpretive, yeah,

589
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:02.880
you know, and kind of helps you get more modern context.

590
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:08.519
But my key like three, Like, if I'm studying something,

591
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:11.280
I really want to tear it apart. I like to

592
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:17.719
go to the ESV, the NASB, and the KJAV and

593
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.800
I compare those three because with those you're kind of

594
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:23.920
getting the best of all the world. You're getting the

595
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:30.719
old English interpretation, you're getting the more modern context interpretation,

596
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:33.280
and then you're getting a literal.

597
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:38.159
A literal, right, Okay, yeah.

598
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.639
The logos man. If anybody's not been exposed to Logos

599
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:43.719
Bible software, that that's what's up. You can pull up

600
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:45.840
all these translations side by side.

601
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:46.840
Uh.

602
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:50.239
They got inner linears, so as you're reading the English,

603
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:51.960
it has the Hebrew right underneath.

604
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:55.920
It can't give me stuff like this because now I'll

605
00:38:55.960 --> 00:39:03.400
never I won't to have a podcast episode U published

606
00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:05.559
for next two weeks because I'll be all in this

607
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:07.000
Logos Bible.

608
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.840
It's awesome. You can search these words up there, man,

609
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:13.559
and you can like do like a word search and

610
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:16.199
it'll tell you what the Hebrew word is or the

611
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:19.119
Greek word if you're in the New Testament. Yea, how

612
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:23.119
many times that word was used where you can find

613
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:29.840
it with hyperlinks see that translated with various different English translations.

614
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:30.800
It's amazing.

615
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:33.440
I saw this YouTube video the other day that had

616
00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:36.760
a it was I can't remember which phrase, but he

617
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:40.159
had a graph or it had like all these different

618
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:43.800
things and it was looped back and forth on how

619
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:47.840
many times certain things were named in the Bible, and

620
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:49.320
it was just unbelievable.

621
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:53.159
And it's probably comes from that software because they got it.

622
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:55.239
They got the pie charts and how many you know,

623
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:59.000
the variations of the translation and all that. It's amazing,

624
00:39:59.199 --> 00:39:59.960
It is amazing.

625
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:05.440
That's man, you're blowing my mind here. We're given me,

626
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:12.360
giving me too much info to do research. Lewis Skinsburg

627
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:13.480
was the other guy's name.

628
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:16.320
The Legends, Yeah, Legends of the Legends of the Jews.

629
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:19.239
And if you get that logos Bible software, it's free.

630
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:22.679
But they offer you know, subscriptions, and you can buy

631
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:26.960
packages and they have thousands of different books and it's

632
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:31.239
all hyper LinkedIn digital. I bought like the base package,

633
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:33.960
I think like sixty books and once you buy it,

634
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:37.039
they you sign up for their newsletter. They give away

635
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:41.119
like one or two free books every single month. Don't

636
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:43.840
cost you nothing. That's just check check your email, get

637
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:47.000
a free book every month. But you can buy books,

638
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:49.320
and that's one of the things that I done because

639
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:52.039
that Lewis Skinsburg Legends of the Jews. If you can

640
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:56.079
find a print version, which I want a print version eventually,

641
00:40:56.599 --> 00:41:00.679
but it's a nine book set and it's like four

642
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:01.800
to six hundred dollars.

643
00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:04.440
Oh yeah, that's one of those where they're like a

644
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:08.760
print now, yeah, there's only x amount out there.

645
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:11.159
So you can get on logos and you can get

646
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:15.559
a digital version. Okay, and I think I paid like

647
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:21.239
eighty eighty bucks for it or something. Yeah, but it's there.

648
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:24.519
That's a hyper linked and on the computer you can

649
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:27.719
get that command search and just type in Esau hit

650
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:31.159
inner boom and it pulls up every time his name's mentioned.

651
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:32.840
It makes it a lot easier.

652
00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:41.519
That's dangerous, Yeah, super dangerous. That's awesome. So what have

653
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:45.519
you got? So you've got this book? Now, how's it doing?

654
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:48.480
By the way, it's done all right. I think, like

655
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:51.360
I said, I've never wrote a book or sold one before,

656
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:53.480
so I don't really have nothing to compare it to,

657
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:58.719
and I have celebrity. But uh, you know, it's been

658
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.440
up there three days and it's just a little shy

659
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:03.840
of fifty copies that I've sold so far.

660
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:15.760
So yes, exactly, Yeah, so this is new. But what

661
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:18.000
what what do you see on the horizon? What do

662
00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:22.719
you got besides the podcast? And do you have any

663
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:26.559
ideas of writing other books or other projects that you

664
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:27.079
want to do?

665
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:31.880
Yeah? With me, which you know, I got a full

666
00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:36.480
time job, and I'm actually I offer paid subscriptions for

667
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:40.840
extra content and I've been getting some some subscribers, and

668
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:44.679
I just monetized the podcast, so I'm starting to actually

669
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:49.840
generate some revenue, uh with the podcast. I'm hoping, man,

670
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:53.880
if everything goes good and Lord decides to keep blessing it,

671
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:57.719
I would love to just be doing this full time,

672
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:02.400
maybe this time next year. But I have lots of

673
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:04.719
ideas and stuff that I want to do, but I'm

674
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:08.920
just really constricted on time. But I got some really

675
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:12.519
nice camera gear this year. Uh, this last summer, I

676
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:16.880
went out and got some drone footage of Serpent Mound,

677
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:23.480
uh the non Mound, Miami'sburg Mound and yeah, and done

678
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:26.079
some talking head shots and stuff. So and I interviewed

679
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:28.840
some people. So I got a bunch of good footage

680
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:30.559
that I want to do a documentary on.

681
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:31.519
Uh.

682
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:35.320
And I've done some other stuff but uh, like right now,

683
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:39.599
I got enough footage for three documentaries that I want

684
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:41.760
to do. I just have to piece them together.

685
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.119
And that's I'm consuming.

686
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:49.559
Yeah, so I would I would love to do documentaries

687
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:53.960
podcasting and uh, I have several more books in my

688
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:57.400
head that I want to write, and I got my

689
00:43:57.480 --> 00:43:59.719
next one in my head that I think I'm going

690
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:00.760
to art pretty soon.

691
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:01.840
Uh.

692
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:04.760
But yeah. Man, It's just one of those things. Now

693
00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:10.239
that I have finished one, it's not so daunting and unattainable.

694
00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:14.599
I'm scary anymore. Right, Yeah.

695
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.760
So yeah, I just if I could, uh, you know,

696
00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:21.239
make a living having the conversations like we're having today,

697
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:25.079
cutting documentaries and writing books, man, i'd be living to dream.

698
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:28.159
Does it get any better? Going to conferences and stuff

699
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.719
here and there? Festivals or or whatever?

700
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:31.079
You do?

701
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:33.880
You have any plans on like going.

702
00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:40.119
To uh like Smoky Mountain h Festival and all those.

703
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:44.079
I plan on going. My wife. I actually talked to

704
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:46.239
my wife because I'm like, you know what we were

705
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:50.039
talking about earlier about maybe moving to Tennessee. I was like, well,

706
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:52.360
let's go down and we'll see. We'll go to this

707
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:55.840
conference for the day and then you know, we'll look

708
00:44:55.880 --> 00:45:01.639
at East Tennessee. Yeah, so I definite only we'll be

709
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:05.559
going to there in July. It's in Gallin Murgy, I think, right, yeah,

710
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:07.960
so maybe we'll actually get to meet in person.

711
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:11.679
Great, yeah, man, Which I don't know what's what's what

712
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:14.760
weekend they're doing it, But there's a conference in Ohio

713
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:18.679
uh called go there for uh I do it every year,

714
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:21.599
I think this will be like the fourth year. I

715
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:24.320
always go and set up a vendor table and you know,

716
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:27.079
sell shirts and stuff. Now I actually have a book

717
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:29.960
for people to purchase. Yeah. But I love going to

718
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:33.000
these conferences and stuff. Uh. I go to five or

719
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:35.000
six a year and I usually have like a vendor

720
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:37.760
table and stuff. But this year I actually spoke at

721
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:44.199
my first conference. Uh Chris Price from Camp Vermont podcast,

722
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:47.360
which he ended up stopping that they ain't doing the

723
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:52.199
podcast anymore, but he had a conference in Kentucky and

724
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:54.559
asked me to speak on the book. So I did

725
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:58.880
like a whole slideshow presentation on the Epic of Esau.

726
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:01.440
Yeah that's great.

727
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:03.199
It was fun.

728
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:06.719
Yeah. So what is it called again? Yeah?

729
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:08.000
The Epic of es.

730
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:12.400
No, no, no, no. The conference the I.

731
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:18.199
Was one in Ohio. Yeah, go therefore go therefore Yeah, sorry,

732
00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:22.559
right thirty minutes away. It's thirty minutes away from two

733
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:29.159
of Ohio's largest mountains, the Miami's Burg and the Noon Mound. Wow,

734
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:30.559
what hurd.

735
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:34.119
I remember growing up at Illinois we have mountains there too,

736
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:36.880
and uh, I just it.

737
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:37.599
Blows your mind.

738
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:41.000
You're just like yeah, yeah.

739
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:45.880
It makes you question everything like me, It does the Miamisburg.

740
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:48.719
I was like, holy cow, this is like a mountain. Bro,

741
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:52.119
how many mountains have I walked on? That? Maybe wasn't

742
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.039
a mountain, it was a mound, a mound or a

743
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:56.280
pyramid or whatever.

744
00:46:56.760 --> 00:47:00.920
Make you talk about the Mississippian culture and man they

745
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.679
built it's like the largest pyramid ever it was. It

746
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:10.639
was an earthen pyramid, but massive, absolutely massive right here

747
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:14.480
in America. Yeah, you know America's.

748
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:18.880
Stone Hinge, the Newark Mounds that are just so huge

749
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:21.599
that a freaking golf course is inside of them, a

750
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:26.440
full eighteen hole. Yeah you yes. And I just talked

751
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:30.000
with Friz Zimmerman. He just found out recently that the hinge,

752
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:35.239
the open part of the mound, is directly aligned with

753
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:40.000
the summer solstice sunrise on or not summer sote I'm sorry,

754
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:43.920
during the summer, but it's May first. The May first

755
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:48.840
sunrise comes right through that hinge way and is perfectly centered,

756
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.239
and that's Bell Tane.

757
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:51.599
Yeah.

758
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:55.000
So this shows you that the Canaanites who worshiped Bell

759
00:47:55.760 --> 00:48:00.079
had came over here and are the ones that were

760
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:03.199
either building these mounds or or teaching this knowledge to

761
00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:07.039
the natives. Because it's all centered around bail tang.

762
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:10.679
Yeah, so do we know do you have you done

763
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:13.159
any research or do you know anything about like this

764
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:20.760
tonal complex that are cave complex in southern Indiana. Huh

765
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:24.440
oh man, that might be something to look into it again,

766
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:28.199
as if we need more rabbit holes literally to go down. Yeah.

767
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:32.199
I hear the NOTHLM Death Squad guys talk about the

768
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:38.760
this cave complex that's in southern Indiana, and they talk

769
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:45.000
about the like somebody's got a throne room in theirs, right,

770
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.880
whether it's ball or bail or one of one of

771
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:54.280
those you know, small g gods. I guess you would

772
00:48:54.280 --> 00:49:00.800
call them or fallen or whatever you want to call them, right, Yeah, yeah,

773
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:06.480
that'll that's a something that's another rabbit. I can't even

774
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:13.400
think about it, right, yeah, exactly so. And this is

775
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:15.679
part of the issue with listening to all these folks

776
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:18.880
is you just get you get stuck and you're like,

777
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:22.239
oh my god, like I have so like I just

778
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.920
have paper of all these things written down and I

779
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:34.000
who man, it's a it's absolutely overwhelming but completely amazing

780
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:35.320
at the same time.

781
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.960
Right, So, you got to pick your rabbit trail and.

782
00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:42.000
You do go then to stick with it a little bit,

783
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:47.239
and uh, you know, but that's hard. We get I'm like,

784
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:51.960
I'm like a squirrel, you know, shiny object syndrome, that's

785
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:53.039
what I call it.

786
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:58.679
So man, unbelievable. Man. I try to be like a

787
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:03.119
hansling Gradel and leave my the red trails. That way

788
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:05.239
I can get back. But it's like I'll go down

789
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:07.840
one for a while and get really really deep, and

790
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.840
then I'll find a little branch tunnel that goes to

791
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:14.079
a different rabbit hole, and I'll go back down that one,

792
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:16.800
and it's unbelievable.

793
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:18.840
Well, the thing with the biblical stuff is that it

794
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.880
all kind of comes together, right, It all kind of

795
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:27.480
starts and and and that right there is is you know.

796
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:30.559
You What I find is that I keep doing that

797
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:35.400
with other things, trying to find the connectivity between.

798
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:36.400
All of them.

799
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:41.519
It's not always there, right, but uh, it just makes

800
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:45.440
a life harder. So yeah, but but I love it.

801
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:51.239
I love comparative mythology, Okay, especially you can go through

802
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:55.079
and see all the different mythologies throughout the world and

803
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:57.800
how they all interconnect, and like we talked about earlier,

804
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:02.719
you have the same tops of stories across various cultures,

805
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:06.079
countries and times, you know. To me, that's what I

806
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:09.639
find fascinating. I love finding that connective tissue because it

807
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:13.599
all comes back to an ancient source, and with the

808
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:16.679
Biblical narrative, I think a lot of it goes back

809
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:21.000
to the Tower of Babble, Yes, because once we were

810
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:24.239
all one language, sharing the same stories, the same histories,

811
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:27.639
and then all of a sudden, the languages were divided

812
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:30.599
and everybody went their way, and those stories got carried

813
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:35.599
and just like the telephone game, you know, stories kind

814
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:38.000
of take on a life of their own the more

815
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:41.360
they're told, and caveats are added and things changed.

816
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:49.599
Well, you find that most of the big civilizations, whether

817
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:54.119
it's in India with the Hindus or China or there's

818
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:56.960
all it not that they're all exactly the same, but

819
00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:01.400
they all rhyme, especially the Pantheon. It's right, they all

820
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:07.360
kind of rite. The Romans, the Greeks, the the Hindus,

821
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:11.599
they all these things kind of rhyme, Samarans and all

822
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:17.320
of them. So they're probably the same stories just read. Yeah,

823
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:22.480
and I would agree with that too. Yeah, it's and

824
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:25.960
and that I'm I'm right there with you, man, and

825
00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:28.440
I keep writing it down and I just never get

826
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:32.639
to it. But getting into that comparative and even the

827
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:37.679
Norris mythology, it's all it all, it all. It's kind

828
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:40.559
of the same, and it's that's the thing we need

829
00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:44.400
a database on, like, you know, do all the do

830
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:45.360
all the comparative.

831
00:52:46.519 --> 00:52:50.039
It's Gary Wayne is great at that, you know, yeah, book,

832
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:53.119
I mean, I ain't gonna lie. I mean, it's intimidating.

833
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:56.239
That thing is this big it is. I've got both

834
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:58.559
of them. And when you go through them, man, and

835
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:01.239
actually sit down and read them, or get the audiobook

836
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:04.639
you know first and listen just while you're working and stuff. Yeah,

837
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:07.440
he does. He follows that strand.

838
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:09.920
Well he's been doing this thirty five years man, you know,

839
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:12.719
I mean like he's he's legit.

840
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:18.199
So yeah, and he does all that. He's those rabbit holes. Man.

841
00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:21.400
But it's it's like, you want to know it yourself.

842
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:26.480
But why wouldn't I just listen to Gary and I

843
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:28.719
don't need to do all the work. He's already done it, right,

844
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:32.719
kind of the the definition of insanity if I'm going

845
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:36.559
to keep doing redoing work that's already been done because

846
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:43.320
he questions, yes, yes, but this is one of those

847
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:46.960
things that's great about having conversations with folks like you

848
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:53.800
and and others. You're opening your world because a lot

849
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:57.800
of times these are things that have been so taboo

850
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:01.760
to really talk about forever, and you don't you start talking.

851
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:05.000
I can't talk about this to like my cousin. Yeah,

852
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:07.440
he's gonna be like, man, what are you talking about?

853
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:10.079
Can't talk about it with my kids and my wife

854
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:13.440
and my wife some but but not really, not like

855
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:17.719
the way I'm talking to you, Doc. You can't do it.

856
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:20.519
So at the end of the day, sometimes you just

857
00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:24.960
don't know what's out there, right, And that's what this

858
00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:28.960
podcasting thing, Prometheus Lens. I mean, it kind of says it,

859
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:34.039
Oh you're looking you know, you through that, through that

860
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:38.000
that lens broadcasting seeds. It's the same type of thing

861
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:42.920
I literally am, you know, throwing throwing stuff at the

862
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:45.239
wall to see what sticks with people and what's going

863
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:49.440
to make them start thinking outside the box, right, Yeah,

864
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:53.239
And we do that with each other too, and it's

865
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:57.599
pretty amazing stuff. So so I would love to see.

866
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:01.760
You because it's softening the ground I think people, it's

867
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:04.840
making it more normal, and we're reaching those people that

868
00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:07.679
have the same thoughts that we do, that are reading

869
00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:11.039
and researching the same things that we are. And when

870
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:14.519
they see us doing this, it makes them more comfortable

871
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:17.360
and more prone to reach out. And even if it's

872
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:20.159
just to us, send us an email and be like, hey,

873
00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:23.679
I've been studying this certain subject for twenty years. I

874
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:26.199
got so much stuff on it, but I have nobody

875
00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:28.480
to talk to. Can I come on your show and

876
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:33.719
let's just talk? Yeah, brother, come on, yes please, Yes,

877
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:39.440
that's what I've read, gaps all about it. That's amazing.

878
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:42.280
Yep. And rising tides raise all ships too.

879
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:47.039
It's right, you know. So now no pun intended with

880
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:51.440
the Bible. I'm just saying, oh yeah, I agree. And

881
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:53.880
because there's so many people, you know, I mean in

882
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:59.639
this field that we're in that are very territorial and

883
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:01.960
grant and that I mean, you know, there's some podcasts

884
00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:05.440
out there that's been doing this for you know, five years,

885
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:08.719
ten years, and they had a slow growth and now

886
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:11.320
they're making money and they're doing this for a living.

887
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:17.360
If somebody else comes up and tries to tap into

888
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:19.719
this world, they kind of get territorial, you know, you

889
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:22.239
just wash you out and silence you and don't want

890
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:24.639
to work with you. But then on the other hand,

891
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:27.719
there's some people you know, look like yourself and Heidi

892
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:31.039
and the Nefflin Bes squad boys that are just so

893
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:35.239
open and they're willing to have conversations with you, help

894
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:38.400
you out and give you some insider information to help

895
00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:42.920
you grow and network and work with you. So you

896
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:44.960
got to, like you said, you've got to find those

897
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:48.960
people that share your passion and they are truly Christians

898
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:54.239
and realize that you know, rising waters, raises, all ships,

899
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:55.280
like you said.

900
00:56:55.199 --> 00:57:00.239
Tides and man. Yeah, absolutely, and it's just a out.

901
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:04.519
It's about the knowledge, right and the sharing of it

902
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.840
and having civil discourse about the what we because we

903
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:11.440
don't have to agree on everything and uh we probably

904
00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:16.440
won't just like you had brought up with, uh you

905
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:20.239
know the interpretation of is it actually a garment or

906
00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:22.000
is it just the skin? Right?

907
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:22.960
Yeah, and.

908
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:30.000
Opinions are opinions, right, and none of us really know,

909
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:33.360
but we all have educated theories and I think the

910
00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:37.519
more we hash these things out, uh, the smarter we

911
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:38.039
all get.

912
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:42.440
So yeah, yeah, you're never going to agree with one

913
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:46.760
hundre percent with anybody. And if you find uh an

914
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:52.880
organization a group whatever that they're just one hundred agreeance

915
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:56.880
with it with with everybody, you better run. That's a cult.

916
00:57:56.960 --> 00:58:02.800
That's a cult, exactly, exactly for Michael Heiser, and you know,

917
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:05.440
I use him just as an example, but there's many

918
00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:13.039
that I think are you know, geniuses, brilliant, great researchers.

919
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:15.360
But do I agree with them on everything?

920
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:15.480
No?

921
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:18.320
I mean because they're human. You know, I love Mike,

922
00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:23.840
but Mike's not a god. He's not God himself. And

923
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:26.599
if you think about it too, even his divine counsel

924
00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:33.159
of worldview and his supernatural worldview. He was a biblical

925
00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:37.760
scholar for two three decades before it took a friend

926
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:43.000
to show him Psalms eighty two and enlighten him to

927
00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:46.920
see that he was wrong all those years, right, you know.

928
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:51.000
So it's like nobody's got it all figure No, And.

929
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:52.480
If you think you do, you're wrong.

930
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:53.920
You oh, you're dead wrong.

931
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:56.440
And at the end of the day, I know, for me,

932
00:58:57.360 --> 00:58:59.400
I don't want to be the smurst guy in a room.

933
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:02.599
I'm in the wrong damn room with this case, you know.

934
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:07.280
So that's why I'd hate to be Gary Wayne, because

935
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:09.920
he's probably in this he's probably the smartest guy in

936
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:11.119
every room he walks into.

937
00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:17.960
I'm just saying, so that's how you get growth, man, Yeah,

938
00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:18.800
for sure.

939
00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:21.840
Well, man, I don't want to I could talk to

940
00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:24.480
you all night, but I gotta I gotta cut this

941
00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:29.920
and I apologize. But to end things out first, I

942
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:33.760
want to thank you for coming. And it's been enlightening,

943
00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:36.559
uh and I hope that we can do it again

944
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:37.519
at some point.

945
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:42.880
But I also want you to share where we the audience.

946
00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:47.599
Can find you and anything that you're selling, Man, just

947
00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:50.679
tell me and I'll get a link to it in

948
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:53.800
the show notes and whatnot too. So go ahead and

949
00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:57.480
go ahead and do some shameless plugging right now.

950
00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:01.159
Thank you, man. I appreciate that you have me. I

951
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:04.800
love these conversations. This is what I live for. I

952
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:08.719
call it the the exchanging of puzzle pieces. Nobody has

953
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:11.159
the whole picture, but we all have pieces. So the

954
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:15.400
more we talk and exchange those pieces, the better off

955
01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:17.280
that we're going to be from it and have a

956
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:21.880
better mosaic thirty thousand foot view of this crazy thing

957
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:26.920
that we call life. Absolutely but far as like the podcast,

958
01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:32.280
it's a Prometheus Lens podcast. The website is Prometheus Lens

959
01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:36.599
podcast dot com. I don't update that thing like I should,

960
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:40.880
but on there any of us, yeah, some of some

961
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:43.719
people are really good with it, man. But you can

962
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:46.599
go on there and I have like an about me

963
01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:48.760
section you can kind of get to know me a

964
01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:53.440
little better. I have a link to my super cast

965
01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:56.800
feed that is like I call it the all Access

966
01:00:56.800 --> 01:01:00.360
pass uh and you. I have two tiers there. I

967
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:02.639
have a five dollar tier and a ten dollar tier.

968
01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:07.440
The five dollar tier gets you forty eight hour early

969
01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:12.320
access to all episodes. It gives you commercial free episodes

970
01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:18.800
and access to the monthly Q and a's once a month.

971
01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:24.440
I have an author, a researcher, or a speaker come on,

972
01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:27.320
and I invite you in the room just like we

973
01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:32.000
are right now, and there'll be usually you know, ten

974
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:35.079
or fifteen of us. And like with Gary Wayne, I've

975
01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:41.360
had Gary Wayne on, Doctor Joey Pugh, Ryan Peterson, all

976
01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:44.320
these guys that you read their work and love listening to.

977
01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:48.159
You can actually have the opportunity to sit and conversate

978
01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:51.840
with them and ask them your questions personally. It's really awesome.

979
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:54.239
We have a good time with that. And then the

980
01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:57.480
ten dollars tier gets you all that but it also

981
01:01:57.559 --> 01:02:03.159
gets you members only episode that are exclusive to those members.

982
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:10.480
And then I'm on all the socials, Facebook, YouTube, Apple, Spotify,

983
01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:13.320
anywhere you consume this kind of content, you'll find me there.

984
01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:18.159
Just search up Prometheus Lens podcast and the newly published book.

985
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:22.800
You just go to Amazon type in epic of ESAU.

986
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:26.079
You can bite it there and kindle format for ten bucks,

987
01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:29.400
or you can have the physical copy in your hand

988
01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:32.880
for twenty awesome. Is that the best place to buy

989
01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:33.320
it though?

990
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:34.239
Yeah?

991
01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:38.039
Right now, right now? Yeah, because I'm a good old boy,

992
01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:41.440
paycheck to paycheck, so I understand buying me. You know,

993
01:02:42.039 --> 01:02:44.239
maybe twenty copies or so.

994
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:46.320
At a time. Now you let them do the print

995
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:48.159
on demand, right, yeah?

996
01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:48.800
Gotcha?

997
01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:50.920
Yeah man, So that's the way to.

998
01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:54.039
Get twenty of them and put them on the website.

999
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:57.639
Yeah that maybe you want to assign copy and once

1000
01:02:57.679 --> 01:02:59.440
I get that, you know, you can just come to

1001
01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:00.559
the website and get.

1002
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:07.159
Now and now here conferences. So yeah, yeah, man, awesome, man,

1003
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:09.920
I'm I'm I'm excited for you. I think it's great.

1004
01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:13.800
Thank you brother. So now I need to h have

1005
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:17.639
you on my show. Let us uh go down one

1006
01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:18.840
of your rabbit trails.

1007
01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:22.679
Oh man for sure. Yeah, whenever you want, man, just

1008
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:24.679
let me know and i'll uh.

1009
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:28.000
I'll be there. So I really appreciate you.

1010
01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:32.719
Coming on and uh anything any last words.

1011
01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:35.840
Hey, guys, Illi end with how I usually in my show.

1012
01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:42.599
The difference between the known and the unknown is the journey.

1013
01:03:43.159 --> 01:03:48.000
So good, journey, guys, absolutely, man, Yeah so good.

1014
01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:50.679
Got bad thoughts that make my mind scared, hold me

1015
01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:53.559
hostage and they don't fight fair who don't pray for

1016
01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:55.000
me and wipe on my tests?

1017
01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:56.079
Gonna save me?

1018
01:03:56.239 --> 01:03:59.039
If you not right here, move this darkness and make

1019
01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:01.800
my sight clip. Take me your way, because I don't

1020
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:03.679
like your ghost of my past day.

1021
01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:06.320
Feel in the nightmare, Wake me up. I'm trapped in

1022
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:16.320
my nightmares, trapped in my.

1023
01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:31.039
Nightmas trowning, trowning our mouth, the deeping apparitions of all

1024
01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:31.840
my demons.

1025
01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:35.679
All my thoughts are commiting treason, all alone going hear

1026
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:40.880
me screaming manifestations on my fiers, regrets that stretched out

1027
01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:42.960
for light years, you can almost touch the light.

1028
01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:46.440
Holdie's right there, body free, but trapped in my nightmare.

1029
01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:50.519
I don't let me ja a life of fail.

1030
01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:55.000
Now all my life is fail now, all my life is.

1031
01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:59.079
Fair so matter you way, y'all, don't miss journey all.

1032
01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:00.840
My life is paying enough.

1033
01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:09.679
My life is paying enough. Happen like.

1034
01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:15.760
When we need to check in. My Nightmas

1035
01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:03.719
Follow behind the