March 6, 2025

The Appalachian Unknown: Wood Boogers, Ghost Horses, and Folklore

The Appalachian Unknown: Wood Boogers, Ghost Horses, and Folklore
The Appalachian Unknown: Wood Boogers, Ghost Horses, and Folklore
The Broadcasting Seeds Podcast
The Appalachian Unknown: Wood Boogers, Ghost Horses, and Folklore

"Sirens of the Supernatural" is a podcast that delves into various paranormal topics, including superstitions, sightings, and stories from the Appalachian Mountain region and beyond. The show also features hauntings, ghost stories, and personal...

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"Sirens of the Supernatural" is a podcast that delves into various paranormal topics, including superstitions, sightings, and stories from the Appalachian Mountain region and beyond. The show also features hauntings, ghost stories, and personal paranormal encounters, along with explorations of folklore, myths, on-site investigations, and occasional reviews of horror movies and shows. ​ The podcast is available on multiple platforms, including iHeartRadio, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts. Listeners can also engage with the show on social media platforms such as Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube under the handle @SirensOfTheSupernatural, and on TikTok as @SupernaturalSirens. ​ podcasters.spotify.com For those interested in visual content, the podcast maintains a YouTube channel where episodes and related materials are shared. ​ Listeners are encouraged to share their own stories or reach out with questions by emailing sirensofthesupernatural@gmail.com. ​ FOLLOW US ON OUR SOCIALS 👣👻🛸 Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/broadcastingseeds/ FaceBook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61561713101798 X - https://x.com/BCSeedsPodcast LISTEN TO THE PODCAST Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-broadcasting-seeds-podcast/id1754460480 Spreaker - https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-broadcasting-seeds-podcast--6402290/support. Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/2EUqA7cL5B4mFolSZwOsTY?si=9f693826971f49eb High Strangeness Supernatural Paranormal Podcast #Paranormal #supernatural #cryptid

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All right, we are live. So tonight we've got Sirens

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of the Supernatural three guests at once. So we're gonna

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start with introductions, and I'm gonna go with Ryan first.

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So Ryan, tell us who you are and what you do.

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Yeah, I'm Ryan McCoy. I lived in Napoli Mountains. My

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entire life had a deep history of paranormal, you know, folklore,

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supernatural top stuff. My great grandmother was shirkey. You had

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of course, so you had that type of background and

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was raising them ountain So that brought up a love

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for not only watching scary movies scared of each other

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on weekends and and uh you know, so uh me

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and my fellow podcasters be siders of the supernatural. We

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got together. Don't want to do kind of spread spread

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that type of knowledge and that type of lifestyle to

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let people know, hey there, look there's a lot more

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out there. Uh you know, I'm actually working with marketing

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right now. I'm in sales, uh you know, which I

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meant get to meet a lot of very interesting people

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and I hear some pretty cool stories sometimes. But uh,

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you know, our passion for paranormal, for supernatural, for the unknown,

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the weird, the the strange. You know, that's something that

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intrigues us and fascinates us, and that's what we're all about. So,

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you know, we appreciate you having us on your show,

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and we love sharing stories and we love having people

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on our podcast to share their stories because it's all

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about knowledge. It's all about uh, commonality and just getting

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things out there. And plus getting into this, you'll realize

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there's a lot more people involved in this. And once

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you really think, you know, you start one to some

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of these different conferences and these different halloween themeed or

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paranormal thing things, you know, and Ronda and all of

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us got to go to a few this past year

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and it's unbelievable with the amount of people that show

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up for these type of things, especially here locally. Yeah,

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so that really excites us and we like, you guys.

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Have a whole bunch of festivals down around where you so, yeah,

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it's hard to get rich environment, you know.

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Yeah, we've got a lot of different experiences. We like

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going to research different things, we like finding out, we

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love learning new things and experience and new new things.

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We love learning fresh perspective as ideas, and it's all

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about knowing hocknologist powers. And one of the reasons I

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really got into this is because some of the things

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that we talk about, some of the things we do

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is are scary. And so when I was younger, I

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was like, Okay, if you find out more about it,

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it will become less scary, because it's scary because you

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just don't you just know the surface. But then I

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find out, Okay, well, sometimes I'm more scared to find

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out about it, the more scary it becomes. So some

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things you just kind of want to pull back and

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maybe go in a different direction, but it's still all interesting.

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And that's kind of what my interest is, you know.

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And I'm sure Ronda and Lindsay feel the same way,

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and I'm sure there's somewhere you know you kind of

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feel something similar. But all let them go ahead and

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jump in, because I don't want to talk a whole lot.

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So well, said Ryan, I'll jump in. I'm Ronda. Ryan

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and I are first cousins, and so we grew up

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in the crazy McCoy clan, and like he said, there

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were there were a lot of superstition's folklore that were

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passed down to us, so we heard pretty much we

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were little tykes knee high, and so we've always had

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kind of an interest in that and I think with

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our podcast, it gives us a chance to cover a

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variety of topics, but we kind of always end up

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coming back to the Appalachian folklore and some of those

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traditions that are getting lost with newer generations maybe not

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knowing or hearing about them. And it was a very

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rural area. When I graduated high school, I moved away

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and didn't end up coming back to the mountains until

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about eight years ago, and so just loved the mountains,

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couldn't wait to get back. You know, it's in your

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blood if you're raised in the mountains and got back

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closer to family. And actually it was another one of

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our cousins that got us involved in a podcast. It

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was his idea. He was like, hey, you guys could

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do a podcast and I'll produce it, and we're like, okay,

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So we just kind of jumped in and hit the

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ground running and we've been doing it since October of

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twenty twenty three. We've loved it. We've just had a ball,

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you know, as a family and getting our extended family

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involved too, going places and researching and just it's been

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a lot of fun for us. And Lindsay is my

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daughter and she she's my youngest daughter, and she's always

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kind of had a love for the supernatural and paranormal

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that I think she got from me. She's my scary

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movie buddy. She's always been, you know, like minded in

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that way, and so she, you know, we're like, let's

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get Lindsay on board and let's go with it. So

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we have and like Ryan said, we're learning a lot,

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We're meeting a lot of great people. And yes, I

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was very surprised when we started thinking about names for

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the podcast. There are so many paranormal podcasts. Well there's

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tons of podcas cast, but the paranormal genre is just

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and so we really start realizing, wow, we do need

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a niche and so what kind of stuff was what

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we knew and that's what we've done. And I am

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in the western North Carolina Mountains, so we're all in

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different states. Actually Ryan's Tennessee, I'm North Carolina, and Lindsay

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lives in Virginia. And I actually work for the local

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school district superintendent. So you can imagine after Hurricane Helene,

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it's been a while getting back to normal up here,

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but I think we are finally getting back to normal,

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and so love the mountains and love my family, and

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we get to do, you know, the best of both

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worlds with the podcast. So Lindsay, I'll kick it to you.

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I'm Lindsay, like my mom said, I'm her daughter, the

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youngest one on the podcast, but maybe one with the

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the most to say sometimes. So I won't say too

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much here, but what I will say is that for

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the podcast, it's been a really good time. I listen

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to podcasts for years and years now and always paranormal

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and true crime podcasts are my favorite. So when they

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said they wanted to start one, I was like, you know,

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well why not. I guess we'll see what happens and

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we've had a really good time. I get to produce it,

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so I get to add in all the what happened to.

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The other what happened to the other producer?

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Well, it was our cousin and me and him, my

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bad simnear wos raised together, loose neighbors, and you know,

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we watched scary movies together. You know, we was walking

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the mountains at three o'clock in the morning together. We

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was out of school, just kind of having something to do.

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He recently passed away. Oh god, my bad. He was

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involved in a lot of different things.

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Yeah.

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Uh, he was involved in our podcast very heavily, and

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you know what's the producer and helped a lot for

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like the first year. A lot of other things going on,

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and he's like, look, guys, you know I want to

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step back. You guys can take the range. So you

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guys kind of cause we kind of all called each other.

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They're still they're much better at certain things than I am. Hey, look,

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just like my dad said, you know, I'm good to

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run out of my mouth. That's the one thing that

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I've been good at. So that's why I've been marketing

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in sales and talking on a podcast kind of out

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you know. Hey, that just falls right up my alley.

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So but yeah, he did recently just pass away.

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Sorry to hear that.

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Yeah, and you know, he wasn't much older than us,

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but he was a good guy. But you know, this

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is still part of some one of his legacies because

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he actually one of the ones. Because we got to

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talking whatenot and he's like, hey, lets go ahead and

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do this. We're like yeah, it's like okay, let's get Lindsay,

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We're like, oh, this is gonna be awesome, you know,

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and then the next thing, you know, here we go

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and you know, this is like her you know, pretty

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much our third season, and it's like, it's pretty amazing

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how you know, how things have turned out, in the

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amount of things that we've learned and growed, and how

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many people that we've met, you know. So that's what happened.

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But like I said, you know, it's not a bad

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thing because this is something that he was passionate about.

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We've all been passionate about a whole lot, but this

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is a way that we can actually express that absolutely. Oh,

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you know, it's a positive. It's a positive thing.

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So producer lindsay, yes, see you produced this now. And

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whenever I.

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Try to do Injustice, I really try to do, you know,

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as creative as I can be and a sound effects

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and videos, and I actually teach art, so I'm interested

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in that kind of stuff. Anyways, Yeah, we just have

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a good time. Honestly, I always say like, I'm just

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here for a good time. I love talking about this

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kind of stuff and meeting new people, and I'm excited

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to be on your podcast tonight. So thank you.

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For having Yeah, absolutely, so, all right, I the one

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question that I ask all guests is all right, so,

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and I need to figure out a better way to

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describe it, but either way, it is what it is.

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So everyone's got a gateway drug to this high strangeness

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madness that we that we deal with here and on

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this podcast. So mine was Bigfoot. That was my gateway

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drug to the supernatural prayer and normal cryptid space. Right,

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So what for you guys was your gateway drug to

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this whole thing? I mean, like you know what I mean.

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Okay, go ahead, lin, I was gonna say for me,

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I think I know it's not really encryptid, but I'm

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gonna say aliens because I feel like I have always

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always been into aliens, even as a little kid. I

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was like low Key convinced that I might be one.

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Yes, I was like Loachi convinced.

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And then I know this is gonna sound weird, but

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I'm an Aquarius. I don't like about horoscope stuff all

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the time, and I won't on here, but with Aquarius,

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we're kind of the weirdos, and a lot of times

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it's associated with aliens. So I feel like it just

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comes full circle.

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Like I mean, they're talking we're going into the age

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of Aquarius here soon. So yeah, I'm a pissy, so

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I begin it. Yeah, what about you, Randah.

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For me, and I'm a tourist by the way, so

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for me, I think of what just sparked my interests

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from the get go was Ryan mentioned our great grandmother.

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We had our maternal great grandmother and our maternal grandmother.

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We're very superstitious, and there were a lot of us

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first cousins, and we all kind of seemed together at

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their house for a good while. My great grandmother, our

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great grandmother, lived with our grandmother, and so whenever they

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needed all of us kids to be quiet, they would

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sit us in a room with our great grandmother and

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she would tell us ghost stories. And she would tell

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stories that she told for true and when you're four

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and five and six years old, I mean, she could

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hold a whole room full of youngsters just we'd be enthralled.

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We'd be so quiet, and we'd be and she could

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make the hair on the back of your next stand

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up with her stories. And I think ever since then,

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I have just been interested in everything paranormal. I think

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that mine are more ghostly, not cryptids. Not aliens, but

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more you know, paranormal in that regard ghosts and knocking spirits.

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She would tell us stories about knocking spirits and just

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different things like that. So that was kind of my gateways.

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Good all right, Ryan, Well mine's a little bit different.

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I had to like very you know, a lot of

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mine in Rondo's experiences were very similar because I said,

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the same grandmother, the same type of family. But it

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really caught me into it. This is a little bit

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more on the darker side of it. Well, when I

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was four, you know, I was visiting family in Missouri,

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and you know, we've done the little Hey, we're sleeping

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on the floor, Just throw some mattresses down or sorry,

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I'm actually just go a blanket down a pillow. I

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happened to wake up three o'clock in the morning. Every

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light in the house is off. It's a two story house.

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And I wake up and the Exorcist is off. So

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I look up. I'm four years old. I see Linda

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Blair's hair spinning around, and you know, that mortified me.

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You know, I'm in this house. And then you know,

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and they always try to scare you, you know, it gets

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you to be quiet. Oh, trying to you know, don't

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want to upstairs, room on the left. Whatever. Then so

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it terrified me for a while, and I'm like, okay,

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well I'm scared of it because I don't know about it.

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So then I start doing more research. And then once

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you start going down that rabbit hole, then you start

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getting into not just imminology, you get into a poet,

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you get into witchcraft, you get into a lot of

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different spirituality type things. So that was my basis to

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kind of get into it. So that took me along

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a lot of different avenues. And then of course, you

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know the older I are, and then you know, Madam

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all starts hell on these carry stories, and then of

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course we'll have to do an episode of once we

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find out more on the Gobbedy Corp, which is another

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story that they told us, whether it was made up

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or not. You know, I think it is some sort

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of alien slash skinned walkers class, some kind of gentle

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monster with one eye that has teeth that can come

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It's makes you the blob with an eye and teeth,

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and it can come get you anytime day or night,

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and it can just appear out of anything and it

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will come get you. Your means just to keep an

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old ye uh. You know they told that for truth

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as well. So you know, when there were four or

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five years old, you don't know. You're living in the

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top of the mountain and it's the blackest black and

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the darkest dark, and you're in the middle of the

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boonies and you don't know what's what's right, and they

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keep telling this, Oh yeah, you need to be good.

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You can't go out after this, and you're like, so

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they made it very very clear that there was stuff

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out there.

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Yes, Santas and I gonna put call in your stocking. Yeah,

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just BLib with the teeth.

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And I yeah.

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And like I've told, you know, people at work, you know,

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we was some of us had to be mean to

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get We heeded our wood coastal.

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Right, You're like, okay, I'll take the coal.

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Yeah, we needed the coal.

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So it was coal mining country where we lived too.

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Oh my gods.

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Like I said, you know, just information, just to trying

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to find out more about it so it would become

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less scary. But certain things actually made it more terrifying

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than what you really needed to be. So you're like, okay,

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maybe I know enough about that subject let's you know,

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let's talk about the wood butter or Bigfoot or let's

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give the UFO seem pretty cool? What's at lot? So?

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Right? For sure?

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In our first episode, our first full length episode, we

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kind of gave a little bit of history about like

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why we got into it, how we got into it,

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and we shared one of the spooky stories. Are great

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them all used to tell and uh so, yeah, if

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anybody's interested, they can go back and definitely listen to

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that episode. It's not very long, but it gives a

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lot of history about our family and and different things

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and why Ryan was such a weird kid.

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Right, So, what are some of your favorite stories from Appalachia? Well,

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because there's a lot of them, mind get.

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It, but there's a lot.

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And depending on where you're at the crew.

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Because stretched from like Georgia up to.

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Yeah, because West Virginia stories are going to be a

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little different than like, you know, Tennessee stories. I mean,

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I'm sure rhyme mm there, but they're probably a little different.

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Yeah, And when you get up into like the different

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very remote parts, you know, each holler, each little nook

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and ranny has its own they may have, you know,

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their own unique crickets or.

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Well, they do absolutely of things. I think not. I'm

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gonna plug a little sulking for a buddy of mine.

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He's gonna and he's actually going to be on the

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podcast soon. I wouldn't say his buddy, but either way,

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an acquaintance. Either way. He's got a movie called Dark Holler,

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and if you guys have never watched it, you need to.

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It's pretty amazing. There's like, and you brought up the

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So it's Ryan's fault that I'm bringing this up because

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he brought up The Exorcist so that they literally do

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like an exorcism on film, like you see it happen

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in a river. It's crazy, it's it's legit. And then

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it turns into this. He figured he was going to

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go do like one hour segment documentary, but no, this

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turned into like a five day affair and it's got

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five different episodes. So write it down. It's called Dark Hollar.

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You love it, okay?

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Oh yeah, and it's all in it's in West Virginia.

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It's where I mean, it's not a movie, it's a

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document documentary.

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Yeah, and don't scare me.

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More than oh yeah, it's got it's got you know,

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demonic possession.

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It's got a cult, it's got stuff with lilith, oh

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got ghosts. It kind of fills all.

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The yeah, checks all the boxes.

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So either way, but either way, Yeah, your favorite stories

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from you know, maybe growing up or whatever. Just have

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at it.

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Ron you want to.

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Well, actually, I always want to talk a little bit

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about woodber because basically that's our that's the apple active

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version of basically Bigfoot, and uh, you know, that's what

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I was doing earlier. I put some notes because it's

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based out of Norton, Virginia, which is about thirty minutes more.

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Was raised on a mountain called Russian Ridge, which didn't

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you cross Bigger Ridge, which Bigger is kind of like

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another trunk for or Goblin. You know, it's just a scare.

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So it's kind of cool in the backstory of Board

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because there's an independent city formerly known as Princess Flat

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and it's part of the wilderness trails that were wasted

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by another than Daniel Boone. But there were a lot

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of Bigfoot sightings which they adapted to now wood Burger,

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and there's even restaurants and you buy a different kind

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of paraphernalia and things there and then when you go

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on the high Knob. They actually have a recreation there

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near flag Rock and they have a statue of what

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people have seen was presumably Bigfoot or Woodbulger looks like.

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And there's a sanctuary there to try to keep Woodbulger

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safe and his habitat for him and his family. And

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another one. And this is a little bit more familiar

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because you know, me and my dad we talk about

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things like this all the time, and of course people

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thinks we're crazy because we believe in Bigfoot. But he

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has some friends that you know, are near a place

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called the Breaks inter State Park in Hayesha, Virginia, And

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he said they was talking one day and his friend

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was asking some of the force rangers there, so, hey,

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you ever seen any beefoots? Are there around here? He

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said no? And this is what took him for a

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loop because the forest rangers said, no, they're not on

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this side of the ridge. They're down on the other

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side where the river comes out, because that's where the trout.

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Subsat says, you're not going to find them on this

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side this time of year. And the ranger come flat

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out and told them said, no, you're not going to

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find them here right now, they're gonna be over there.

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So whenever you talk to different forest rangers, whether it

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be you know, for the natural parks, if you talk

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to the right ones, they'll tell you because they're like, hey, look,

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you know, you're either gonna believe me or or not

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right right. And there's a place right up from that

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where my dad lives that my stepmother told me about.

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The was out one day and they just happened to

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be walking and it's not far from where he lives.

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And I've been dating them for a year. To take

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me to show me be kind of thinks that, you know,

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they you know, something badman, because they know I'm gonna

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go straight up, you know, up in there and look

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at it. Yeah, they was out and uh you know

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how a year you know that uh bigfoot or woodbuger.

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You know, they throw rocks or they take timbers and

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be and they knock and things like that to send

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a message, Hey, you don't need to be here to

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care people off. But there's a lot of that that

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goes on about five miles from my dad's house.

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That's awesome.

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And I'm wanting to go research that, you know, and

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if I do, you know, of course it'll be on

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an episode.

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Yeah, just do it.

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If I make it back to tell the tale.

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Oh, you will just be respectful.

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Right, and you know I'm one of the CAUs I

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would just go, like super early in the morning, before

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the sunrises. I would get up in a big tree

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somewhere with some cameras and stuff that way, you know,

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I'm there before anything really gets going, even though they're

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partly NOC colonel, and just have to sit there and

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just be quiet, just see what you see.

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You know you're not going to get pictures.

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Yeah, you're not.

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I don't even take a camera anymore. I mean I do,

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but at this point, I'm like, it's it's not even

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it's it's you're stressing yourself about nothing. We're just go

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out have the encounter, right. Yeah.

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I don't want I wouldn't want to hurt you even

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if I saw it. I want to know what exists,

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and I wouldn't even tell really nobody where I saw

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the particular place at. I mean, there's gonna certain areas,

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but I think that they I mean, of course they

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have places they stay, but I kind of think they

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migrate according to you know this season. You know some

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of them, you know, the fruits and things like that,

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and that's why you see them certain things. And it's

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kind of funny, you know. And uh Ron's brother Steve,

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you know, me and him and talk about this and

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me and my dad whenever eything kind of set down

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for COVID, I got this brig idea that I was

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going to treat it like a you know, kind of

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like a murder spree or like a mass murderer or something.

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I was like, Okay, I want to take this a

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certain area and put the little thumb packs on a

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map and be like okay, this time, this time of year.

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And I was gonna do it, and I was gonna

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say I want to have it so exactly, I say, Hey,

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if you're here in October sixth at seven o'clock this

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particular place, you're going to see good foot walk across

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this road. So it just never did come across to that.

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But so, where is the place that's by your dad's house? Again?

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Do you want to what? What is the area that's

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by your father's son?

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He lives in Cobran, Virginia.

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Okay, so yeah, and he.

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Lives on the out basically a place called Sandy Ridge.

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Now the place that we're talking about is another ridge

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that is just right across from him, which is about

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five miles from where he lives. But it's all right

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there in the area because when you go from flat Woods,

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you go to Coburn and then basically Hayside and uh

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you know, uh High Knob, it's all within like right

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there in that certain mountain ranges. Right. So there we

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within like an hour each other. So it could be

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a group, it could be something that you know, that's

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just the way they travel. There's all right in the

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same region.

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So yeah, So if there's there's a tool called the

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Bigfoot Mapping Project. If you guys have never looked at.

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It, I've heard of it.

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Oh it's it's cool, and uh I've got a I'm

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going to be interviewing the guy who does it runs

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it here in the next few like later this month.

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But yeah, if you look down by Bristol, because that's

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sort of where you're at right.

459
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Well, it's a little further because Bristol's about a little

460
00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:34.799
over an hour from an hour hour and twenty minutes

461
00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:36.240
from where we're at, I.

462
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:39.720
Mean just right over into town like Johnson City, Kingsport,

463
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:41.839
there's sightings all over the place there.

464
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:42.599
Wow.

465
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:49.400
And then and then in going from Virginia, you know

466
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:55.160
Lewis Lewis Fork uh Wilderness area, there's some sidings there

467
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:59.559
and then yeah, just check it out and you know

468
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:05.720
it's it's a cool resource on the east coast though,

469
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:11.319
of all the places, Western Pennsylvania and eastern Ohio are

470
00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:17.039
like the hotspots. Wow. But yeah, get on there and

471
00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:17.880
take a look at it.

472
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:23.599
Just and there's things up there. Like I said, when

473
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:25.279
you live in the mountains, I mean I've been around.

474
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:25.920
I've seen.

475
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:30.359
You know that people say there's not black panthers. I've

476
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:33.119
seen a black panther in person. I've seen mountain lines.

477
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:36.200
I've seen But there was one night that I was

478
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:43.200
out and I heard something and I mean it made

479
00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:45.559
it sound I've never heard in the mountain before. I've

480
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:47.440
lived there my whole life. I mean I'm talking. I

481
00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:49.359
walked through. I was never scared to go through the

482
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:52.680
woods because I was just ferial with everything. But there

483
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:54.720
was this one night that I heard this noise and

484
00:27:54.799 --> 00:27:57.200
I just kind of hunker down in a ditch and

485
00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:00.759
just wanted to listen to try to hear it. And

486
00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:04.039
I heard it it made a few noises. It probably

487
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:07.240
got as close as maybe thirty yards for me, and

488
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:10.279
it was not time, you know. And the reason why

489
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:11.759
I didn't want to do a whole lot because I

490
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:13.599
just have to walk out. I didn't have any kind

491
00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:15.480
of weapon or anything with me. I'm just walking up

492
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.279
the road for a few minutes. I was bored and

493
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:20.920
all of a sudden, you know, that's when it always happens.

494
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.759
So I'm like, okay, there's something here. I just need

495
00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:26.880
to kind of sit down. So if it is trash

496
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:28.400
of me, you know, it's going to have to do

497
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:30.920
a little bit better and follow my footsteps for my

498
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:34.039
thin But like I said, I heard the noise. I've

499
00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:36.640
heard mount lines, I've heard panthers. We even used to

500
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:40.240
call mount lines and and I remember my grandmother she

501
00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:44.000
would fuss at us because as kids, you got familiar

502
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:47.319
with how things sound, and a black panther would call

503
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:49.640
it would kind of either like a baby crying or

504
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.759
like a woman dreaming. And it also made like its

505
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:55.319
natural animal sound. So we would get out there at

506
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:58.200
that time, and we got to be very familiar with

507
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:01.720
sounding like wolves and mountain lions and patrick and you

508
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:04.559
can call it and we would call it in within

509
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:09.519
a couple of hundred yards and it would start squalling back. Yeah,

510
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:11.279
and then my grandmother would be like, no, y'all need

511
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:13.799
to stop hine in in the house.

512
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:17.799
Uh, but like that.

513
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:20.519
But this thing, I don't It just made this weird

514
00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:23.279
sound I never heard before, and it made about the

515
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:25.920
hairs on about my next end. Up to this day,

516
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.759
I have no clue what it was, but it had

517
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:32.039
to be something, you know, I don't know what to

518
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:34.519
be putting sounds life or wood Burger or something, but

519
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:40.000
it was something that was just not familiar with that area, gotcha.

520
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:46.440
So it was strange. Yeah. So I mean that's kind

521
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:48.319
of what I felt with wood Booger and some of

522
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:51.400
the other things there. But there's gonna be further investigations

523
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:54.640
made as soon as the weather breaks and I'll get

524
00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:56.799
brave enough go sit the tree for a couple of days.

525
00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.880
Hey, I'll come down and we can go out together.

526
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.240
There you go, Hey, we'll go to Woodburger restaurant. We'll

527
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:08.359
grab us Okay, I'll think we'll go to Flight Rock

528
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:10.680
and kind of check out. Yeah, we'll make the day

529
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:11.000
out of it.

530
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:14.279
Yeah, for sure, absolutely, I love.

531
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:16.319
That about Ron. He always makes everything fun.

532
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:20.519
You know, that's what life is. If you can't enjoy it,

533
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:21.559
watch you should be in there.

534
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.519
That's right, that's exactly right, I think. And I think

535
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:31.400
earlier I said maternal grandmother's paternal it's our dad's family.

536
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:35.240
Our our grandmother has seven boys?

537
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:36.720
Wow?

538
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:38.359
Yeah, no girls?

539
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:43.920
Any any any McCoy's that you're related to. Possibly, there's

540
00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:46.640
a lot of McCoy's. It's not a it's pretty but

541
00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:49.319
any family in Oklahoma, Mm.

542
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:52.400
I don't know that I've heard of any.

543
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:54.200
Okay.

544
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:57.319
I was stationed in Oklahoma one time, so I was there.

545
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:00.359
Okay, Yeah, I have a buddy that I was in

546
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:04.000
the army with that that is from Oklahoma.

547
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:06.559
But wow, and he's a McCoy.

548
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:08.440
He's a McCoy. So that.

549
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:15.519
We we spread everywhere, Yeah, everywhere. And that's a great

550
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:20.160
segue to what I was gonna cover because I've always

551
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:26.839
been really into like ancestry and genealogy and and our

552
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:31.599
family ancestry. And we are from the mcay clan, the

553
00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:38.759
Scottish mcay clan, and so I love those traditions that

554
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:41.759
they brought with them. I love to research those and

555
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:46.000
study about those. And there are so many ancient eerie

556
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:52.079
rituals in the Appalachians with roots in Celtic and Scottish

557
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:56.359
and English traditions, and so we had, you know, a

558
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:59.839
lot of those they kind of merge and combine, and

559
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.799
and our family, like Ryan said, our great grandmother was

560
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:06.119
perch chair key, and so we had not only the

561
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:12.079
Celtic traditions, but we also had the Native American traditions

562
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:15.799
that kind of it kind of you know, wove itself

563
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:21.319
into the traditions they brought. But one of the one

564
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:26.880
of the most mysterious and weird traditions that I've researched

565
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:30.759
that most people don't know about. It was called sin eating.

566
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:34.519
Now it's gone out of practice now, but it used

567
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.599
to be a really serious part of life in the region,

568
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:42.400
especially the remote regions where our family settled when they

569
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:47.039
came over. So we did an episode on this, and

570
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:50.839
I went back to my notes and and I thought

571
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.359
this would be something really interesting to talk about because

572
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:58.440
a lot of people that a lot of people outside

573
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:03.119
of the Appalacian Mountains have never heard of this tradition. So

574
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:07.880
what exactly is it. Well, it's a practice that involved

575
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.640
a person that was known as the sin either and

576
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:15.319
they would be highed during wakes or funerals, and the

577
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:21.079
individual's task was to take on the sins of the deceased.

578
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:26.599
And the idea was behind it that consuming a symbolic

579
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.920
meal and sometimes it would be a cake or you know,

580
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:33.920
a death cake or bread that the sin eater, that

581
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:38.519
individual would kind of absorb the sins of the departed

582
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:42.160
right and this would ensure that the soul could find

583
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:46.839
peace in the afterlife. But the ritual wasn't just you know,

584
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:52.319
a quirky local custom. It actually spanned centuries before it

585
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:57.000
was practiced across Scotland, Ireland, Wales and the surrounding regions.

586
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.240
And over time it made its way, you know, across

587
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:03.079
the ocean to the Lectionings. And believe it or not,

588
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:07.640
this is really interesting. So there were reports of sin

589
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:11.440
eating still taking place. This ritual is still taking place

590
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:14.159
in parts of North Carolina, West Virginia and Virginia up

591
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:16.440
until the nineteen fifties.

592
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:17.639
Probably happening now still.

593
00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:21.960
It may so. Like we said, you know, the roots

594
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:27.000
run a lot deeper than you might think. And even today,

595
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:29.039
or even when Ron and I were grown up, they

596
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:33.519
had what they called awake when a person died, they

597
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:35.960
would lay the body out in the home and the

598
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:38.599
family and community would come to the home and sit

599
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:43.800
up all night with the deceased, right and you know,

600
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:48.440
you hear of hiring professional mourners, you know in medieval

601
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:50.960
England and all of this stuff, but it was actually

602
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:54.559
kind of more than that, and it when that ritual

603
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:58.239
came over, it kind of blended as well with the

604
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:05.159
Catholic right of absolution, where the priest would forgive, you know,

605
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:08.559
forgives the sins of someone close to death right, so

606
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:10.480
that kind of got blended in there too. But here's

607
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:14.239
the twist. In the case of sin eating, the death

608
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:17.239
was often unexpected. So if you had somebody that you

609
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:19.400
knew was going to die, and you could call the

610
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.000
priest and have the priest come in and you know,

611
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:25.400
say the prayer and absolve them of their sins, that

612
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:29.199
was one thing. But if someone died unexpectedly, well the

613
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:32.000
priest didn't get to visit, no one, you know, got

614
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:34.920
to come and absolve them of their sins. So what

615
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:40.360
they did was they would hire the grieving family would

616
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:44.599
hire a person called the senator to perform the ritual.

617
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:47.519
That was seen as a really crucial part of their

618
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:50.960
grieving process. To them, it wasn't just a strange, weird act.

619
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:53.880
It was a way, you know, to ensure that the

620
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:56.760
soul of their loved one would go on to heaven

621
00:35:56.800 --> 00:36:01.079
and not be tormented in hell. So the act ritual, though,

622
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:06.519
is kind of the weird, spooky part. The a family

623
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.199
member or community member would go out and they would

624
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:12.239
seek out the sin eater. Okay, and when the sin

625
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:15.599
eater arrived, let's just say it was a sight you

626
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:19.719
wouldn't forget. They were often dressed head to toe in black.

627
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:24.280
Oftentimes their head was covered as well. Their presence just

628
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:28.239
kind of added to the chilling, somber atmosphere, right, So

629
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:32.559
get this picture in your mind. In absolute silence, the

630
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:36.119
sin eater would approach the body, and the meal, like

631
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:39.519
the bread or the death cake, would either be held

632
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:42.639
above the body or it was placed near or even

633
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:47.480
on the deceased, sometimes on a chest, sometimes on the face,

634
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:52.880
and the meal itself was believed to embody or absorb

635
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:57.559
the sins of the departed. Okay, So then the sinator

636
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:00.760
would step up and by eating the meal, it was

637
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:06.119
believed that the sinator literally took on the deceased person's sense.

638
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:10.199
It was though the sins transferred through from the body

639
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:14.599
to the food to the sin eater and hopefully allowed

640
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:17.920
the departed rest in peace. And the sin eater would

641
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:22.639
often say a prayer that would accompany after he ate

642
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:24.880
the meal, here she ate the meal, and the prayer

643
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:27.719
would go something like this. This was the prayer, I

644
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:31.880
give easementt and rest now to the dear man or woman,

645
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.840
Come not down the lanes or in our meadows, and

646
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:40.400
for thy peace, I pawned my own soul. So that

647
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:44.119
was the prayer that this person would say. But after

648
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:48.599
this ritual was performed, the senator didn't leave unscathed. Once

649
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:53.360
it was over, the family, the community shunned this person,

650
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:56.199
turned them out of the home. They were ostracized by

651
00:37:56.199 --> 00:38:00.679
the community. The sins they had consumed, it was believed,

652
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:04.639
followed them and made them impture and unclean right and

653
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:09.480
would doom them to an eternal life in hell. So

654
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:13.159
think about that. Because of this, they were forced to

655
00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:17.199
live in isolation, okay often away from the rest of

656
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:20.519
the community. People wouldn't make eye contact with them, they

657
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:25.239
wouldn't greet them. Even churchgoers okay look down on them.

658
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:29.840
So it had to be a harsh, lonely life. So

659
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:31.440
why would anyone do that?

660
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:35.079
That was outside of the board of hell. And I mean,

661
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:39.719
I don't mind people alone not come around. I'm kind

662
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:40.280
of cool.

663
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:46.400
Of that fact. I don't disagree. I would also do that,

664
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:49.320
but well, I.

665
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:51.360
Couldn't live like that. I'm a real people person. I

666
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:53.599
got to people around. I want everybody to like it,

667
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.119
you know, and all that stuff. So it was just

668
00:38:56.320 --> 00:39:00.840
so unfathomable, you know, to me that people actually would

669
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:04.360
do that. But I found out in researching that the

670
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:10.679
answer was usually in desperation because they were often outcasts anyway,

671
00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:17.280
they were the poor, maybe they were undesirables, alcoholics, beggars,

672
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:22.199
just a socially undesirable people who might need a little

673
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:25.840
money or some food, and they would take on this role,

674
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:28.719
knowing full well the price that they would pay.

675
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:30.239
Right.

676
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:33.440
So I have always been intrigued by that, And I

677
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:39.320
found a book. If anyone's interested in this fascinating piece

678
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:41.960
of Appalachian folklore, there's a book out there called The

679
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:46.639
Last Sin Eater by Francine Rivers. And the book was

680
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:49.159
actually made into a movie and it came out in

681
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.159
two thousand and seven. It's a really good movie if

682
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:52.719
you haven't seen it. It's just one of those that

683
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:56.079
flew under the radar, and it tells the story of

684
00:39:56.119 --> 00:40:01.800
some Welsh immigrants who moved to the Appalachians and were practicing, uh,

685
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:04.559
the ritual of sin eating. So I highly recommend that

686
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:06.679
for anybody that's interested, if you want to learn more.

687
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:12.039
And it's that one intrigues me because it's just a

688
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:16.719
testament to the strange blend of all of these traditions

689
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:20.280
and the folklore that ended up here in the Appalachian Mountains,

690
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:24.320
you know, decades and generations before we were even born.

691
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:28.159
And I had not heard of that growing up. That

692
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:30.440
was one that I had not heard of growing up.

693
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:33.519
And when I, you know, started digging into it, I

694
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:36.519
was like, this is this is our neck of the woods.

695
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:39.079
This this was going on, you know, and our neck

696
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:40.840
of the Woods, and I had never heard it. So

697
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:44.360
it's a little bit it's it's eerie, and it's a

698
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:47.599
little bit macabre, but it's it's very interesting and it's

699
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:50.159
part of our you know, of the history of the region.

700
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:53.360
So that was one that that I wanted to bring

701
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:55.719
out because I feel like a lot of those kinds

702
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:57.480
of stories are getting lost.

703
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:02.440
Oh yeah, there's a there's another representation of the sin

704
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:09.000
eater on on mainstream TV. Now if the series Outlander,

705
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:15.039
if you've never watched it, in uh, I want to say,

706
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:19.039
it's like season five. It's whenever they're in Fraser's Ridge,

707
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.639
which is western North Carolina, Scott's you know, they're all

708
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:26.800
there's a there is a sin eater that's part of

709
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:30.599
their about that there's a sin eater that's part of

710
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:35.000
their colony or whatever you want to call it, the

711
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:39.559
Fraser's Ridge. So and uh, yeah, it's pretty weird. I

712
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:41.800
had never heard of it until then, and I was like,

713
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:48.719
what is this? Yeah, so I totally understand you're because

714
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.920
I'll probably do an episode on these folks at this

715
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:56.960
point now too. So just so when I'm looking down, guys,

716
00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:01.480
just know I take a lot of notes. So yeah,

717
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:02.440
we do that too.

718
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:05.079
Well.

719
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.239
I guess I'll jump in and I'll I'll speak a

720
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:09.679
little bit. I have to say first though, I don't

721
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:12.480
know if you guys can hear. The wind is blowing

722
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:16.840
so hard at my house it's like creaking my house. Yeah,

723
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:19.679
and I've had to mute myself a couple of times

724
00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:22.800
because when it blows like that and it creaks the house.

725
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:26.679
Champ My dog is like getting he's getting real mad.

726
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:28.599
He's pissed because he doesn't know what it is. And

727
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:31.119
he starts like growling and barking, and he was like

728
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:32.639
growling in his sleep at it.

729
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:34.800
And I was like, dude, I've gotta how.

730
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:37.039
Far nor how far north are you in Virginia.

731
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:42.239
So I'm actually in Abingdon, Virginia. It's not very far north.

732
00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:45.039
It's not far from Bristol, which is where you were

733
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:45.960
talked about.

734
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:49.079
I didn't know if there's storms down there. I know

735
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:52.880
there's some bad storms in Maryland tonight, but I don't

736
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:54.719
know if it's swinging that down south.

737
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:59.840
So it's just possibly. And it wasn't doing it this morning.

738
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:04.280
Just started around like seven o'clock, and I was thinking, Okay,

739
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:07.920
this can't be happening when I'm trying to podcast because

740
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:08.679
it's loud to me.

741
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:09.360
I don't know if you.

742
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:11.039
Guys can no, we can't hear it.

743
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:15.719
Okay, good, But I actually am gonna talk about Abingdon

744
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:19.519
a little bit today. I love I love living in Abingdon.

745
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:24.440
It's the cutest little town in Virginia. Bristol is the

746
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:28.280
closest city. It's a little bit bigger, but Abingdon has

747
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:35.280
its own special vibe. It was founded in about seventeen

748
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:39.079
seventy eight, so very very old town. And we even

749
00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:42.920
have a building called the Tavern that was one of

750
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:45.800
the first buildings that was built and it's still there

751
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:48.000
and it's a restaurant and you can go get get

752
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:52.760
a drink. It's supposedly haunted. Most of the old buildings

753
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.800
on main Street have some kind of ghost story or

754
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:58.039
haunted or it sounds like.

755
00:43:58.039 --> 00:43:58.960
One type of place.

756
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:03.440
And it's the cutest little town. But I'm going to

757
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:06.159
talk about a couple of stories. The first one is

758
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:10.480
from the Martha Washington in and Spa. It's called the

759
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:14.000
Hotel in Spa now, but it started out as a

760
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:17.000
girls college in the town of It's like right in

761
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:20.480
the heart of Abingdon. And during the Civil War it

762
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:25.320
served as a hospital for this either side soldiers would

763
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:29.159
come and come and go. And a soldier named John

764
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:35.119
Stoves was grievously injured and so some of his fellow

765
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:39.960
soldiers took him down. There's a there's a cave house

766
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:42.920
because Daniel Boone when he came through, stayed in the

767
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:45.079
cave got rid of some of these wolves that were

768
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:48.480
in this cave, and that there's actually I don't think

769
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:51.239
there's it exists anymore, but there used to be a

770
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:54.400
tunnel that went underground from the cave House to the

771
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.360
Martha Washington and I think across the way to the

772
00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:01.360
Barter Theater that does like plays and it's still pretty

773
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:04.960
renowned in town today. And I always wanted to go

774
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:08.519
down in these tunnels so bad. But when we because

775
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:10.840
we actually stayed at the Haunted Room in the Martha

776
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:14.480
Washington when we first started, and we I forget who.

777
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:16.360
We asked about it, but they were like, no, it's

778
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:18.639
Phil then now, but I kind of feel like they

779
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:22.239
just say that, like I don't want to know, like

780
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:24.679
is it really or is it just a liability?

781
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:27.280
At this point, I don't care I go down.

782
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:30.920
But they carried him down through this tunnel system to

783
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.000
the Martha Washington and they put him in room four

784
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.000
oh three. And so there was a young student named

785
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:40.320
Beth that cared for him over the course of about

786
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:43.360
two or three weeks, and she would come in and

787
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:46.039
she would play her violin to ease his pain, and

788
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:49.800
they actually ended up falling in love, but unfortunately he

789
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:52.880
didn't make it. He passed away. And then I think

790
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:57.639
Beth she didn't live very much longer either. She actually

791
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:01.400
passed away from typhoid fever, I think. But Room four

792
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:05.559
three is said to be haunted now and sometimes you

793
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:10.559
see her apparition or hear violin music. And we went

794
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:15.000
and stayed, and I wanted so badly to hear some

795
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:16.880
violin music, but we didn't.

796
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:17.960
We didn't hear anything.

797
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:21.639
What is the name of Ann again.

798
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:22.760
Martha Washington.

799
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:31.039
It was named after the good old first lady. And

800
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:35.519
then so that one's a well known story around town.

801
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:38.960
It's just romantic, it's it's a good ghost story. And

802
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:41.159
the room is still there, you can go stay in it.

803
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:44.719
But the second one that I really like from town

804
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:49.559
is the ghost Horse of Abingdon. And so when General

805
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:54.119
Sherman was coming up and burning these major cities, they

806
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:59.719
actually passed through Abingdon, and the people in Abingdon were

807
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:02.400
worried that they were going to burn it down. They

808
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:06.440
were trying everything to appease the soldiers and not make

809
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:08.119
a big stink of it because a lot of the

810
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:11.280
men that lived in Abingdon were off fighting the war.

811
00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:14.320
So when they leave, there's not a ton of protection.

812
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:19.280
So they were actually kind of glad that some soldiers

813
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.880
were posted up in Abingdon as kind of like a

814
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:26.639
police force, but not really a police force. But when

815
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:29.840
the Confederate soldiers came through, there was one soldier that

816
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:33.960
was from Abingdon, and for some reason General Sherman decided

817
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.639
not to burn Abingdon to the ground. But this soldier

818
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:41.800
that was marching through with the rest of them apparently

819
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:46.320
had some kind of bad experience or he left on

820
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:50.239
a sour note, and he rode his horse up Main

821
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:53.159
Street and actually ran in the courthouse and set it

822
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:56.519
on fire and ran out, and then he got up

823
00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:58.159
on his horse and he was kind of just sitting

824
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:01.480
there watching it burn and laughing. And there was a

825
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:05.239
few Union soldiers or maybe some men from the town

826
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:08.639
I don't remember which, that chased him on his horse

827
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:12.679
down Main Street ended up shooting him in the back,

828
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:15.679
and so he kind of falls and his horses dragging him,

829
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:19.039
and I don't remember what actually happened to him, But

830
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.239
now they say that you can see that horse, that

831
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:27.159
ghost horse on Main Street sometimes, especially the Martha Washington

832
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:32.599
has a really nice greenery property yard. I guess a

833
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:35.400
lot of people will say that they see it grazing there.

834
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:37.480
As a matter of fact, I think it was like

835
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:41.559
early two thousands, somebody was driving through. There's an intersection

836
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:44.519
right there on the corner, and somebody was driving through

837
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:48.519
ended up calling the police because they were like, there's

838
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:52.079
a horse loose on the lawn of the Martha Washington

839
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:58.119
Museum or the Martha Washington Hotel. Is that somebody's horses.

840
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:00.960
So the police got there and they went down the

841
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:03.519
street and they looked all around the hotel and they

842
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:06.760
never could find it, but they say, you can still

843
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:10.519
see it running around sometimes, And I just love that story.

844
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:15.320
Yeah, that's definitely it's not often that you hear about

845
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:20.599
like animals, Yeah, ghosts of animals. But I know growing up,

846
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:23.280
I know that the house that I grew up in,

847
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:27.599
which was an old old farmhouse in Illinois, and it

848
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:32.119
was because when we lived in it, this was in

849
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:37.360
the eighties. It was one hundred and something years old then,

850
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:41.079
so it was built in like the eighteen like late

851
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:45.559
eighteen hundreds probably either way, I know I saw on

852
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:50.519
multiple occasions a dog that didn't you know, I didn't

853
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:54.000
have a dog. I wanted a dog. Maybe I just

854
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:56.639
dreamt the dog, you know what I mean. Yeah, But

855
00:49:56.719 --> 00:50:00.719
either way, something cool is on my our way down

856
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:09.000
to the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot. Uh Jim, Well, what the

857
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:12.559
heck is it called convention. We'll be driving through having

858
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:16.719
good So I'm sure my wife will fall in love

859
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:22.920
because she loves places like that, like Leesburg Tennis or Leesburg, Virginia,

860
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:26.679
things like that that just have that old charm.

861
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:29.119
Yeah, and you won't miss it.

862
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:31.519
I mean no, we're literally driving through it.

863
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:34.440
So it's it's right there across from the Barter Theater.

864
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:39.760
It's this beautiful, huge, oh it is lovely, really still

865
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:42.159
original looking building.

866
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:43.679
I mean it's made.

867
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:47.880
The library in there is amazing, and there's this there's

868
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:50.559
this huge wooden globe that they keep in the library

869
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:53.760
and it's right next the library is right next to

870
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:57.039
the front desk. It's like another room over and if

871
00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:00.440
you ask the front desk, they have this spind of

872
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:04.639
ghost stories and ghost encounters that their guests have that

873
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:07.239
will write down in this binder. So when we went

874
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:10.480
we were like, hey, can I can we see the

875
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:12.559
binder and they're like yeah, sure, So they gave us

876
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.239
the binder and we took it into the library and

877
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:17.440
we're reading through all of these stories and one of

878
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:19.639
the stories was, and I was sitting like right in

879
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:20.360
front of this thing.

880
00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:21.519
What are the stories?

881
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:25.119
Was that the people that work there and sometimes guests

882
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:30.119
will hear this wooden globe just start turning because it

883
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:35.079
has this very distinct squeaky don't how would you describe it, mom?

884
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:36.280
It was the weirdest sound.

885
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:39.719
It was a weird squeaky sound. But the main thing

886
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:42.320
was when we went and tried to turn the globe,

887
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:44.239
I mean it was heavy, hurt.

888
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:48.079
It's wood and it's really really heavy. And a lot

889
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:52.000
of people when they were working the front desk had heard.

890
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:52.800
This sound and the.

891
00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:57.760
Yeah, they go next, they just go around the desk,

892
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:00.159
go through the door. The wooden globe.

893
00:51:59.880 --> 00:52:03.599
Is right there. Nobody's in there still and they.

894
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:05.679
Would have to walk by the front desk.

895
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:07.920
To get into the Yeah, it just makes it that

896
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:08.840
much cooler.

897
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:13.320
And we were there on Halloween weekend and that night

898
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:16.159
they had a fire going here a fireplace and the library.

899
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:18.679
We were the only ones in there. Lindsay's reading these

900
00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:21.719
stories out loud and we balanced.

901
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:24.239
It was kind of like the I guess they had

902
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:27.159
kind of decorated for Halloween because there was a skeleton

903
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:29.079
that they had put in one of the chairs and

904
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:30.559
Mom didn't notice it at first.

905
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:34.880
It was that there before and I was like.

906
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:38.239
I'm pretty sure that's amazing. Nope, it just appeared.

907
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:40.440
It just happened.

908
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:45.280
And there's a ton of stories like that. I wish

909
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:48.480
I could remember more from that binder, but like I said,

910
00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:51.079
they're in that episode if anybody wants to go check

911
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:53.239
it out. We actually just got a comment. I don't

912
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:55.880
know if you guys saw this earlier after you We

913
00:52:55.960 --> 00:53:00.480
actually just got a comment on YouTube yesterday. We did

914
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:02.920
like a room tour of room four through when we

915
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:06.639
got there, and somebody commented and they said, I'm staying

916
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:08.920
in that room and I'm literally sitting on that couch

917
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:10.239
watching this video right now.

918
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:18.079
Ah awesome, it's so cool. So we have a so

919
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:21.000
my wife and I decided that we have an extra

920
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:26.480
night that we need to stay, stay someplace. Maybe maybe

921
00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:29.480
I'll take the drive back north and get us started

922
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:33.440
back north and stay. I don't know if we can

923
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:35.920
stay in room four or three, but I could try.

924
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:36.920
You could try.

925
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:37.800
I could try.

926
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:41.840
Interesting you guys, you can actually you know, you never

927
00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:44.960
know it might be on an episode on your podcast exactly.

928
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:47.440
It's what I'm saying. I'm always looking for material, like

929
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:53.519
I mean, even today. I I'm not a paranormal investigator.

930
00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:58.320
I know enough to get myself in trouble, right, So

931
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:01.800
I drove through a couple cemetery used today and did

932
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:05.360
some e vps, and I went to I went to

933
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:08.719
some places where I know people have actually passed away

934
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:11.599
and did EVPs and I haven't gone through them yet,

935
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:17.039
so we'll see. But uh, yeah, I mean, I just

936
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:22.840
I'm always looking to expand the repertoire, right and and

937
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:27.079
either get content, even if I just do like YouTube

938
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:31.440
shorts or reels with the stuff, it's just you know,

939
00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:36.320
get out there and you know it's the scratch.

940
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:41.400
Or if you've heard of something called the Sense of

941
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:44.480
All Tunnel, it's not far from there either. You're lucky

942
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:47.440
in twenty five minutes from there, and you know there's

943
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:49.639
rumors that that place is really hard and you know,

944
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:52.000
if you drive your car through it, turn it off,

945
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:55.480
it won't start, and all this other stuff. So I've

946
00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:58.559
been through it before, I haven't really had any experiences,

947
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:01.519
but it's still kind of and there's a certain vibe

948
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:04.079
that you get to just because of how it's decorated

949
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:09.559
and all the group graffiti and nowhere too. You know,

950
00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:11.840
that's something that you can go if you've got an

951
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:13.960
extra few minutes just to go check out.

952
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:16.679
I love stuff that's out in the middle of nowhere.

953
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:16.960
Ye.

954
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:22.000
Well, we have another haunted location that we can recommend.

955
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:26.119
It's called the Nickerson sneed House and it's what twenty

956
00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:28.800
minutes from having done or fifteen to twenty minutes from

957
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:33.679
having Yeah, we did an episode there and uh. The

958
00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:37.159
lady that owns the home is part of a paranormal

959
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:41.199
investigation group and they often have like if you're staying

960
00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:44.159
one weekend, yeah, yeah, you might you might be staying

961
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:46.119
on a weekend when they're doing a seance or they're

962
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:47.559
doing some kind of investigation.

963
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:50.119
I got to move down south. We're part of the

964
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:52.559
reason that we're I mean, there's a lot of history

965
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:54.519
up here in New York too, right, But it's just

966
00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:58.480
it's it's cold all the time, and like you don't

967
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:02.079
want to go, but my loves the hot When we

968
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:06.239
lived in North Carolina for a while, but for some reason,

969
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:10.920
she's from here. We came back. But whatever. Either way,

970
00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:14.239
part of the reason I'm dragging her with me down there,

971
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:17.559
I'm not dragging her. She wants to see what it's

972
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:21.440
like because we're looking for places to possibly retire within

973
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:25.960
the next three to five years. So man, I just

974
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:29.079
you know, because I spent a lot of time in

975
00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:34.760
mary the Maryville area because buddies down there, and that's

976
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:39.880
there's this crazy stuff around there too, and so it's

977
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:44.639
like that whole corridor. Yeah, and it's just totally living

978
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:45.480
up to its name.

979
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.559
It's just so old, like it was just right every

980
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:52.800
so long ago. I mean, nothing compared to European talents,

981
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:55.679
but like for America, oh yeah, pretty early.

982
00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:58.519
I mean, I mean even like people don't get it,

983
00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:01.000
like yeah, like Boston. There's so much stuff in like

984
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:03.719
Massachusetts and in New England.

985
00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:04.039
Right.

986
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:06.639
But at the end of the day, if you really

987
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:09.760
think about it, a lot of the first settlers too

988
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:13.199
where they were the whole Eastern seaboard, and you have

989
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:17.760
stuff going back to the sixteen hundreds in Virginia and

990
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:21.119
North Carolina and Georgia especially.

991
00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:25.440
You know, and sometimes further back than just.

992
00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:27.400
The settlers too, Oh for sure. I know.

993
00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:32.079
Abingdon was first black sport when it was settled. But

994
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:35.840
down the way where the Nickerson Steinhouses Glades Spring it

995
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:40.159
was it used to be. It's called Passawatammi in Cherokee

996
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:43.599
because they called it this is the place because Cherokee

997
00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:47.159
would come from miles to congregate here and socialize, and

998
00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:50.599
it was almost like some kind of ancient Olympics, like

999
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:54.199
they would just celebrate and gather. And I just think,

1000
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:55.440
I think that's so cool.

1001
00:57:56.719 --> 00:58:01.320
Yeah, yeah, it is. It's just very rich in history.

1002
00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:05.400
So you got to get the lingo down. It's it's marvel.

1003
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:10.360
You gotta put the U in it.

1004
00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:13.719
Yeah, you're right, Yeah, we talked a little different.

1005
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:14.440
Yeah.

1006
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:14.639
No.

1007
00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:18.360
I my daughter, she she grew up, she was born

1008
00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:23.400
and raised in Wilmington, and she has a heavy duty accent.

1009
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:27.239
My daughters, the rest of my other daughters make fun

1010
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:30.880
of her all the time. And I'm well, you guys

1011
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:33.119
have accents too that they make fun of when you

1012
00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:36.639
go down there as well. So right, and I.

1013
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:43.239
And yeah, y'all, yeah, we do military moved around your

1014
00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:45.320
morth or whatever. You got to say this.

1015
00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:47.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1016
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:50.760
I didn't realize how sick of an accent I have

1017
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:53.599
until I went to basic training in nineteen eighty eight

1018
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:58.440
at Fort Jackson, South Carolina, and was in a platoon

1019
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:02.519
with a bunch of girls from Detroit, Chicago, and Massachusetts.

1020
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:05.519
I mean, and they would just and I had to

1021
00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:07.639
tell them. I was like, you are going to have

1022
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:11.400
to slow down. I cannot listen that fast. And then

1023
00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:14.480
they would have all these phrases they would they would say,

1024
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:16.559
they come up and say, hey, McCoy, say this or

1025
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:17.440
say that, and.

1026
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:18.480
I just went with it. You know.

1027
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:21.719
So were you both in the Army.

1028
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:22.679
We were.

1029
00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:26.679
Yeah. So I did a stint in the Marine Corps,

1030
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:30.159
Campbell June. That's how I ended up in North Carolina.

1031
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:32.199
Okay, so I was there.

1032
00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:36.000
Yes, thank you guys for your service as well. And

1033
00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:39.559
then I did six years in the Army. I got

1034
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:41.519
out of the Marines, was a cop for a bit

1035
00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:45.000
and not built for it. Yeah, and then I joined

1036
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:50.119
the Army. So I was the way I look at

1037
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:53.199
it is. I was a marine in the Army either way.

1038
00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:56.519
Then I got out of the Marine Corps, did some

1039
00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:58.360
stuff for a while, and then I was in the

1040
00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:02.320
I was an Air Force avillion, so I've been in

1041
01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:07.360
all the dagone services and then I worked for the

1042
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:12.760
VA for seven eight years. So wow, yeah, I get it.

1043
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:19.800
I get it all. Yeah, good stuff, guys. So wait,

1044
01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:22.119
let's where are we at nine? So we're a little

1045
01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:22.719
over an hour.

1046
01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:27.320
You have something about a bunny man or something you mentioned.

1047
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:28.960
Well, I was gonna.

1048
01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:30.760
Tell that story, but then I was like, I want

1049
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:33.199
to keep it more local to out because there's just

1050
01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:35.960
so many There's so many that I could tell.

1051
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:40.159
But what if I want to hear about the bunny Man?

1052
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:43.960
Come on, bunny Man. You can't say you can't say

1053
01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:47.159
those words bunny man and then not follow through.

1054
01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:52.760
Okay, So there is a legend, and this is more

1055
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:59.000
northern Virginia, Fairfax County. There is a overpass like a

1056
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:02.760
bridge tunnel situation called the bunny Man Bridge, and this

1057
01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:08.480
is said to have been haunted. And it all starts

1058
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:11.920
with There's a ton of different versions, but the one

1059
01:01:11.960 --> 01:01:15.840
that I know is Charles. Let me see if I

1060
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:25.960
can remember his name, Charles sh Charles Holloman or Holloman.

1061
01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:30.079
I think he and his wife and their little daughter

1062
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:34.119
were driving through and he had been a strange for

1063
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:34.679
some time.

1064
01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:36.679
I don't know what exactly happened.

1065
01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:36.440
But.

1066
01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:41.960
He was taking them to see this new lodge that

1067
01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:45.199
had been built by this newdest colony that he was

1068
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:49.000
a part of, and and I know, I know.

1069
01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:52.079
Would be okay, I'm here.

1070
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:56.599
And so their car gets stuck in the mud around

1071
01:01:56.639 --> 01:02:00.960
this lodge, around this tunnel, and he said that him

1072
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:04.519
and his wife had some kind of argument. His wife, Francis,

1073
01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:09.239
had some kind of argument, and she took the baby

1074
01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:12.599
and they walked off. So he spends the night in

1075
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:15.400
the car, and then when he gets up the next day,

1076
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:18.119
he hollers at some of his brothers to come help

1077
01:02:18.199 --> 01:02:21.280
him search. They can't find her anywhere, so he reports

1078
01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:24.280
her as missing. So then the police come and they

1079
01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:27.480
conduct this search and they actually find her in the

1080
01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:32.159
shallow grave and she had been severely beaten and shot

1081
01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:35.559
in the head and the heart. And they also found June,

1082
01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:39.880
their little daughter. She had been buried alive, so they

1083
01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:44.880
were both deceased. So then, and this was in nineteen

1084
01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:48.360
forty nine, I think in nineteen fifty or fifty one,

1085
01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:52.440
he finally goes to trial and they end up convicting

1086
01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:55.840
him of murder and sentencing him to the electric chair.

1087
01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:58.039
And I think that was only the second time in

1088
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:02.440
Fairfax County that they had sentenced anyone to death, but

1089
01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:07.360
the Virginia Supreme Court actually ended up appealing that, overturning

1090
01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:11.760
and feeling that and he was sent to the Western

1091
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:15.880
He was sent to the where is it? I wrote

1092
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:24.039
it down the Western State Hospital in mary and Virginia,

1093
01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:28.239
which is right down the road from me. Well, legend

1094
01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:31.519
has it that he escaped, he broke out of this

1095
01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:35.400
insane asylum. It's still there to this day. I think

1096
01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:38.519
it's called something else now, but makes his way back

1097
01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:44.320
up north and at some point in the seventies, people

1098
01:03:44.360 --> 01:03:47.840
started reporting that they were seeing this guy in this

1099
01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:52.199
bunny costume and people it was like a popular place

1100
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:54.880
to go and park at that time because it was

1101
01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:56.320
kind of out in the middle of nowhere, you know,

1102
01:03:56.360 --> 01:03:59.440
like a lover's lane kind of situation. And they started

1103
01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:01.880
reporting that they were seeing this man in this bunny

1104
01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:05.920
costume and he would like drag this axe around and

1105
01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:08.760
he would say, you're trespassing, this is private property, and

1106
01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:12.679
actually ended up throwing a hatchet through somebody's window and

1107
01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:15.639
the police even got involved. There are reports of this,

1108
01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:20.400
like documents on it, but he was never found. And

1109
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:22.960
legend has it now that you can go and you

1110
01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:25.119
can park your car. And I don't know if it's

1111
01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:27.199
at midnight or late at night, but if you say

1112
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:29.960
bunny Man three times, it's supposed.

1113
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:30.679
To car up.

1114
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:34.360
And I have so I have this book ghost Hunting Virginia.

1115
01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:36.320
I have like a million of these books.

1116
01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:38.119
And Michael J.

1117
01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:41.199
Verhola that wrote this book, and I hope I'm saying

1118
01:04:41.239 --> 01:04:45.280
his name right. He actually went to bunny Man Bridge

1119
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:47.400
with one of his friends and they did it. They

1120
01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:50.039
went at night, they said bunny Man three times and

1121
01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:53.679
took a bunch of pictures, and he said that after

1122
01:04:53.719 --> 01:04:55.440
when he was going through his pictures, most of them

1123
01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:57.519
were just like pictures of the tunnel.

1124
01:04:57.800 --> 01:04:58.719
But there was a couple of.

1125
01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:03.480
Pictures that you can see this really bright orb in

1126
01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:05.519
one of them, and then the second one you can

1127
01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:07.800
see a whole group of orbs and you can actually

1128
01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:11.000
make out a face in one of them, and it's

1129
01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:13.199
like a male face. And so he's like, I don't

1130
01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:16.519
know if I conjured him or not. Maybe, I mean,

1131
01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:19.000
you can take that with a grain of salt, because.

1132
01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:23.239
Probably it was probably Candy Man and Bloody Man there

1133
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:29.840
with him too. Start saying story, starts saying all the

1134
01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:30.880
all the things.

1135
01:05:32.199 --> 01:05:36.079
Yeah, really weird story.

1136
01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:39.920
Yeah, it really is, Like I'm so like so bizarre,

1137
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:45.039
like with the like just random with the the wife

1138
01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:51.480
and the baby getting buried, Like that's so sad. But

1139
01:05:51.519 --> 01:05:54.280
where did we go with that? So, I mean it

1140
01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:57.400
was I mean, what was there overwhelming evidence that he

1141
01:05:57.480 --> 01:05:59.519
did it or you know what I mean, like I

1142
01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:03.320
i'd like to Yeah, I mean it only happened in

1143
01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:06.480
the forties, so it's not like forever ago.

1144
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:10.360
Yeah, I think rumors really started playing up in the

1145
01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:12.159
seventies about this bunny Man.

1146
01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:13.239
Yeah, go to the.

1147
01:06:13.159 --> 01:06:16.679
Bridge and Condrum and I think mainly it's it's kept

1148
01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:18.800
alive by like teenagers.

1149
01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:19.920
That like just that way.

1150
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:25.719
But superstitious stuff like that is awesome. I mean, and uh,

1151
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:28.320
you know, I mean like you've got stories like that,

1152
01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:30.840
like I saw, I hear bunny Man, but like you know,

1153
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:35.000
you have goat Man and you've got stories as you know,

1154
01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:39.280
from from wherever and and that goes back centuries, right

1155
01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:46.800
like so but yeah, this stuff all came from something

1156
01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:49.199
and something, yes, so who knows.

1157
01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:51.679
Right, that's one thing we found that a lot of

1158
01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:55.079
your stories like that had a shred of truth in

1159
01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:55.719
the beginning.

1160
01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:59.079
Yes, And they stand from something, like you said, and

1161
01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:01.519
a lot of them came from the old world, so

1162
01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:05.880
you have a lot of the same stories just get

1163
01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:07.400
transplanted over here.

1164
01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:11.960
Right, It's like the whole you know, Brother's Grim Book

1165
01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:18.960
just got repositioned into America, and all those tall tales

1166
01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:24.119
and folk tales and scary tales just you know, take hold.

1167
01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:29.760
It's cool. But again, in Appalachia, you guys have some

1168
01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:34.480
weird stuff. Now, I'm just saying you that just happens

1169
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:39.000
like stuff that doesn't happen other places. Right, So especially

1170
01:07:39.079 --> 01:07:43.360
when you start getting into yet like you said, those hollers, man,

1171
01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:48.880
there's some of them are scary place scary. It's a

1172
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:50.719
whole universe itself.

1173
01:07:51.239 --> 01:07:54.039
You said, I heard you say something. Why did they

1174
01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:56.719
Why did they name it Booger Ridge? And it was

1175
01:07:56.880 --> 01:08:02.559
because it's such a remote, dark place asians two lane road, right,

1176
01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:05.800
and you could go for miles and miles without seeing

1177
01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:08.519
a house, but you would see bears, you would see

1178
01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:11.480
I mean, any number of things at night. So that's

1179
01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:13.000
funny Ridge.

1180
01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:16.239
Absolutely, I mean you just and I'll say, you have

1181
01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:20.880
no idea where these names come from? Sometimes, right, oh

1182
01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:26.039
my goodness. And nowadays booger has a totally different connotation.

1183
01:08:27.920 --> 01:08:32.680
Yeah, and things get bigger and like get disportionate there.

1184
01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:36.960
I mean, you know, like the bears and snakes and

1185
01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:42.039
things or large. I've seen black snakes stretch completely across

1186
01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:45.720
the two lane road which is like fifteen eighteen right

1187
01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:49.760
and a foot on each side hanging off. And then

1188
01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:52.039
you know, a good size bear print is about like

1189
01:08:52.279 --> 01:08:55.840
that around Bugger Ridge. My dad and brother happened to

1190
01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:59.439
be around here one day and my brother herself personally

1191
01:08:59.479 --> 01:09:01.119
and I said, that's why I know, you know, it's

1192
01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:03.960
the first hand of town. He said that he put

1193
01:09:04.119 --> 01:09:09.720
two hands, yeah, and I mean things just are.

1194
01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:12.920
Different there, they do know.

1195
01:09:13.119 --> 01:09:17.760
It's it's undisturbed and disturbed. Plus it's like the perfect

1196
01:09:17.800 --> 01:09:22.039
ecosystem for for that type of stuff. That's why you know,

1197
01:09:22.520 --> 01:09:26.319
I think there's you know, because you get into there

1198
01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:33.680
especially like yeah, like well not far from you guys

1199
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:36.880
in the Upper Tennessee there, I mean you get dog

1200
01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:42.399
man stuff going, and that that terrifies me. I'm not

1201
01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:44.960
gonna lie that that's the kind of thing like, oh,

1202
01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:47.479
I'll go, I'll go check out the big twelve foot

1203
01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:51.720
you know, upright walking home and at eight no problem.

1204
01:09:52.359 --> 01:09:54.880
But as soon as you put a dog head on it,

1205
01:09:54.880 --> 01:09:58.680
it's like, man like it just there's like a primal

1206
01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:02.239
something primal there. It's just like I don't want to

1207
01:10:02.239 --> 01:10:05.560
mess with any of that, but you know I don't.

1208
01:10:07.079 --> 01:10:10.199
And there are still there are still people in the

1209
01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:16.640
area that you know, kind of adhere to practice like

1210
01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:24.319
Granny Witchery and and those old healing rituals and stuff. Yeah, some.

1211
01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:28.720
Of the stories of like well, I guess it's not

1212
01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:32.079
really fair to call them that, but some some country

1213
01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:37.039
folk get they're like feral, Like it's not they're they're

1214
01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:41.000
living by different rules and different true things out in

1215
01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:45.439
the when you get way out there. Yeah, and that's

1216
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:50.439
those stories of feral people or some of the stories

1217
01:10:50.479 --> 01:10:56.920
of like cults like detached themselves and you're talking, you know,

1218
01:10:57.239 --> 01:11:00.359
four or five miles from the nearest road and nobody

1219
01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:06.079
it just stumbles across the town. Yeah, and you're like, wait,

1220
01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:10.720
what you know, they're all wearing white, they're all doing

1221
01:11:10.840 --> 01:11:14.039
you know, there's and there's multiple stories and stuff like this,

1222
01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:20.359
just saying and uh, yeah, it gets there's stuff going

1223
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:24.760
on again there that just doesn't you don't hear the

1224
01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:25.680
stories other.

1225
01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:29.039
Places right, Doesn't it make you want to come and live?

1226
01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:34.479
Yes, yes, because I love the high strangeness, like I

1227
01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:36.439
you know, you know what it is, and I've and

1228
01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:38.680
I've looked. I've studied this quite a bit, like with

1229
01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:44.159
lay lines and things. Right. You also down there, I

1230
01:11:44.199 --> 01:11:46.279
mean a little farther south there you get into the

1231
01:11:46.279 --> 01:11:50.840
thirty third parallel and that another animal. It's a whole

1232
01:11:50.920 --> 01:11:52.640
other couple of episodes.

1233
01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:53.560
Yeah, but.

1234
01:11:55.560 --> 01:12:01.159
Things along those mountain red lines, right, the areas that

1235
01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:06.880
they get thin is what I'd like to The spaces

1236
01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:12.359
get very thin. So I feel like there's it's just

1237
01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:18.319
more active on it, like the veil is. Yeah, for sure,

1238
01:12:18.439 --> 01:12:21.439
I just don't there's no other explanation for it.

1239
01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:24.319
And in some places you can actually see it, you

1240
01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:28.399
can actually feel it, like in the atmosphere or what

1241
01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:31.079
have you. There's so many places that we want to

1242
01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:35.960
go do on site, you know episodes. You know, so

1243
01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:38.359
many locations just that are within.

1244
01:12:38.199 --> 01:12:43.239
Dropping Yeah, right, and it's that's it's just awesome. You

1245
01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:44.880
guys will do it. You'll get there.

1246
01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:50.119
It's awesome. Have you ever seen the movie Pumpkinhead?

1247
01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:54.800
Oh? Yeah, I mean parently I do. I do remember

1248
01:12:54.800 --> 01:13:00.239
it back in the day. I just remember being pretty OK.

1249
01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:02.239
But I you know, I do.

1250
01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:05.920
Remember because like I said, you know, speaking of the

1251
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:09.760
holler and folks and stuff, and you talk about people,

1252
01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:11.920
you know, kind of like what we talk about. Yeah,

1253
01:13:12.119 --> 01:13:14.239
you know, don't been able to say certain things and

1254
01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:18.439
do certain things. That's nothing normal, you know when you say, hey,

1255
01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:21.760
you know, yeah, you need to go here and talk

1256
01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:24.239
to this particular person. That's what they do. Like your

1257
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:27.640
witch doctors or your you know, or your witches or

1258
01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:30.840
you know, your spell captures or whatever. That may be

1259
01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:33.840
kind of sensitive because it's just freaky old lady way

1260
01:13:33.880 --> 01:13:37.439
way back in the woods, and she does certain things

1261
01:13:37.479 --> 01:13:38.720
that can I don't remember.

1262
01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:41.079
I got it. I just wrote it down, so I'll

1263
01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:43.560
rewatch it just so you know, and then I'll report back.

1264
01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:47.000
We need to have you on as a guest on.

1265
01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:52.279
Our Oh sure, anytime you guys want. What it makes

1266
01:13:52.279 --> 01:13:54.560
me think of is is even though it's not like

1267
01:13:55.560 --> 01:13:59.319
it's not Appalachia, but like the Texas, Texas chainsaw massacre,

1268
01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:03.560
the kind of weird setup that they have just hear

1269
01:14:03.640 --> 01:14:07.399
about people disappearing and stuff like that doesn't need to

1270
01:14:07.439 --> 01:14:11.399
be nefarious necessarily, well, it probably is but you know

1271
01:14:11.439 --> 01:14:12.199
what I mean, like.

1272
01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:16.479
No, man, yeah, it really easy to disappear.

1273
01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:20.279
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well my wife is like, you know,

1274
01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:22.279
I don't care what you do as long as you

1275
01:14:22.399 --> 01:14:28.840
come home. So she's always like, don't don't get stolen

1276
01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:30.039
out of the woods.

1277
01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:35.479
Or something that. Whenever I first started dating my ex wife,

1278
01:14:36.279 --> 01:14:40.359
she wanted to know. And even though she lived thirty

1279
01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:43.159
five forty minutes away from where I was raised on

1280
01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:47.720
the mountain, it's a completely different world over there from

1281
01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:50.840
my house. So we start going up this mountain and

1282
01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:53.079
we keep going up and up and up and up,

1283
01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:55.720
and then you know, later on after the fact, took

1284
01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:59.000
up the time and she goes, she I was terrified.

1285
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:01.239
She goes, we can't want some place shoes? I didn't

1286
01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:03.560
know if you can, and he's gonna kill me? Or

1287
01:15:04.039 --> 01:15:07.000
you know what, you don't like the movie wrong turn or.

1288
01:15:07.000 --> 01:15:11.960
Say yeah, right right, you watched a lot of scary movies.

1289
01:15:12.279 --> 01:15:14.279
Weren't telling stories when you said that.

1290
01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:16.960
We do some scary movies.

1291
01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:20.279
But I thought that was funny. I thought all that

1292
01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:26.560
shoes you lived there, I was yet my wife shoes.

1293
01:15:25.720 --> 01:15:32.720
Amazing, amazing. Well, guys, I could probably sit here all

1294
01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:36.720
night but but we should probably wrap it up. So

1295
01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:42.039
with that being said, thank you for coming on and

1296
01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:44.439
tell us where we can find you, guys.

1297
01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:46.399
Lindsey take it away.

1298
01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:49.079
I was about to say, mom, take it away.

1299
01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:55.920
Okay, Well, we are on the socials. We are Songs

1300
01:15:55.960 --> 01:16:00.279
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1301
01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:05.960
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1302
01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:11.359
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1303
01:16:11.439 --> 01:16:14.079
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1304
01:16:14.119 --> 01:16:17.319
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1305
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:20.520
out on our socials or send us an email. We

1306
01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:25.159
don't have a website just yet, but maybe someday we will,

1307
01:16:25.800 --> 01:16:29.479
but that's where you can find us and we we

1308
01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:33.279
we love listeners, we love the spooky and paranormal. We've

1309
01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:36.119
got a whole We've built a kind of a Sirens

1310
01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:40.520
team that's more than just us out there. So we

1311
01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:42.880
love hearing from from listeners and followers.

1312
01:16:43.159 --> 01:16:46.680
Awesome. Yeah, where what's your favorite social.

1313
01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:48.399
TikTok?

1314
01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:51.520
Okay, Well that's where you guys have the most followers too.

1315
01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:54.560
We do, yeah, Instagram. We don't get a lot of

1316
01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:56.800
traction on Facebook. I think Facebook is.

1317
01:16:58.760 --> 01:17:00.439
It's Facebook, It's ice book.

1318
01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:02.600
It's been around forever. I think people are always looking

1319
01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:03.119
for something.

1320
01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:06.119
Yeah. At the end of the day though, everything gets

1321
01:17:06.159 --> 01:17:10.319
posted from Instagram to Facebook anyway, so yeah, yeah, yeah,

1322
01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:15.960
just wondering everybody's got their thing. I actually like I mean,

1323
01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:19.000
I like Instagram, but I like YouTube.

1324
01:17:18.760 --> 01:17:20.560
So yeah, we like YouTube.

1325
01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:22.600
I watch more YouTube than anything.

1326
01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:26.119
So yeah, yeah, who would have thought back in the

1327
01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:29.399
day when we were growing up you could stream anything

1328
01:17:29.479 --> 01:17:30.640
at anytime.

1329
01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:34.920
Right, absolutely about everything, yes, the whole world.

1330
01:17:35.079 --> 01:17:37.920
Right here, yep, right there, All.

1331
01:17:37.960 --> 01:17:42.279
Right, guys, I really appreciate you coming on, and I

1332
01:17:42.319 --> 01:17:46.960
will put everything in the show notes and all the stuff.

1333
01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:50.079
We appreciate it absolutely.

1334
01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:52.199
Thank you, thank you. It is nice to me to

1335
01:17:52.239 --> 01:17:53.000
you too.

1336
01:17:53.479 --> 01:17:56.159
I got bad thoughts that make my my skin hold

1337
01:17:56.199 --> 01:17:59.359
me hostage and they don't fight fait, don't pray for me,

1338
01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:00.720
a white ball my tears.

1339
01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:01.680
Who're gonna save me?

1340
01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:04.640
If you're not right here? O this darkness and make

1341
01:18:04.720 --> 01:18:07.720
my cyclear take me your way because I don't like you.

1342
01:18:08.119 --> 01:18:09.359
Don'st to my past.

1343
01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:11.359
Day feel in the night are wake me up? And

1344
01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:21.720
trapped in my Nightmas, trapped in.

1345
01:18:21.800 --> 01:18:36.439
My Nightmas, trowling, trowling, I mouth the deeping apparitions of

1346
01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:37.359
all my demons.

1347
01:18:37.520 --> 01:18:40.720
All my thoughts are come, make and treason, all alone,

1348
01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:45.760
gonna hear me screaming manifestations on my fists, regrets that

1349
01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:46.640
stretched out.

1350
01:18:46.520 --> 01:18:47.279
For light years.

1351
01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:50.079
You can almost touch the light homies right there, body

1352
01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:54.039
free but trapping my nightmas. I don't let met you

1353
01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:56.560
our lights to fail now.

1354
01:18:57.079 --> 01:18:58.560
All my life is faith.

1355
01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:03.840
All my life's face about our friend, mister.

1356
01:19:04.399 --> 01:19:09.159
All my life is space for my life is face enough.

1357
01:19:15.199 --> 01:19:16.239
Like my Here

1358
01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:21.399
We need tracking my night news