March 3, 2026

Spiritual Warfare Exposed | Bo Kennedy on Broadcasting Seeds

Spiritual Warfare Exposed | Bo Kennedy on Broadcasting Seeds
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In this episode of the Broadcasting Seeds Podcast, host Bennett Tanton speaks with Bo Kennedy, the creator of The BUMP Podcast. They discuss Bo's journey into podcasting, the impact of personal experiences on his work, and the importance of faith in understanding high strangeness and paranormal encounters. Bo shares insights on spiritual warfare, the significance of forgiveness, and the lessons learned from his podcasting journey. The conversation emphasizes the balance between business and ministry in content creation, and the need for self-discipline and generosity towards others.

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Around where I stand. It's significantly colder on this reading,

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like fifteen twenty degrees colder no matter where I go

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in the room. So it's just seemed like something was

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around me, right, and being an idiot, I invited whatever

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it was to use my life force, use my energy

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blah blah to manifest.

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Broadcasts broadcasts playing truth in the minds of the people.

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Right.

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Well, everyone, welcome to another episode of Broadcasting Seeds podcast.

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My name is Bennett Tanton, your host, and today we

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have Bo Kennedy from author i will say, multiple books,

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and the host of the Bump Podcast. So Bo, tell

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us who you are, what you do, and where we

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can find you.

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Man, Absolutely, thank you very much, and you know I

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appreciate you having me on the show.

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Bro.

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Yeah, my name is Bo Kennedy. Like you said, I'm

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the host of the Bump Podcast. I started the show

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back in twenty twenty in May when everybody was locked down.

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You know it's a good time to start something like this, right, Yeah, yeah,

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I honestly I started the show because I.

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Wanted to go on Tony Merkle's show, The Confessionals. You know,

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I wanted to go on there, and I had all this.

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I have like a laundry list of weird stuff that's

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happened in my life, you know. And I was like,

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I want to go on there and share my experience.

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And so he had like a six month waiting list

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and I'm like, nope, I'm gonna start my own and

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start talking about it. And that's that's what I did.

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And I've had a show out with uh you know.

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It's it's an interview based show like this and I

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have a different guest on every week. And I've done

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that for coming on six years now. It's been a

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lot of fun. It's on any anywhere you listen to podcasts. Uh,

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it's on YouTube. I just I'm not as consistent on YouTube.

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So there's a there's a couple hundred episodes on there,

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but not quite you know, like gaps right Yoh yeah, yeah,

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there's a major time a yeah. Oh dude. I started

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to do Rumble and I was like, too much work.

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I just can't. I just can't.

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Yeah.

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It's like I don't know how other people do it.

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You know. I have a full time job. I'm a teacher. Yeah,

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and uh so to do that full time and then

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come home and do this because I was going to

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get every social media and all the you know, all

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the stuff that these these podcasters are doing, trying to

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keep up with them. Dude, I can't do it.

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It's hard.

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But yeah, man, So that's that's my show. It's Bump

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is the title, and it's an acronym for believers of

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the unexplained monsters and paranormal and uh, everything I do

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is through a biblical worldview. When I started the show,

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I was just like collecting stories, you know. I'd have

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people come on that talk about demonic encounters or bigfoot

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or being abducted by aliens. And I don't know. I

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did that for like a year and a half of

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just talking about the spooky stuff. And I told my wife,

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you know, I didn't feel like I was doing something

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I was supposed to be doing, Like there had to

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be more to it for me to do. And I

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got ahold of a really good guest and talked to

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him off camera about, you know, my situation, and he's like, dude,

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you need to make your show an alter to God.

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And he said, min, when you do that, just be

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ready to hold on. Oh yeah, man, things are going

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to get weird. And that's what I did, and I

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dedicated the show to the Lord about four and a

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half years ago and things got really weird. Uh, total

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chaos broke out in my house. People left, never to return.

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I went through the only way I can describe as

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like a self deliverance process, you know, where you know

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demons are fleeing, even off of me. And uh, after that,

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you know, it's been great. But it's it's uh, it's

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a it's been a journey, dude. And like you said,

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I wrote a book about a year ago last March,

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and I didn't mean to encroach on your releasing your book,

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but uh, I released a book last March. It's called

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The Army of God pocket Gode to Spiritual Warfare.

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Thank you, sir, Yes sir, yes sir. We'll make sure

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we have the links and everything for it.

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Thank you. Dude. I wrote that book, well, it basically

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wrote itself. I'm a deacon at our church and I'm

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blessed with the opportunity every month to teach.

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At the church.

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And what this book is is really it's a collection

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of sermons that I gave, and it's about a dozen

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different sermons. It's just different aspects of spiritual warfare, and

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that's what I feel like the Lord called me to

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talk about, you know, in every aspect of my life.

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And when you read the book, it's very researched. You know,

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there's a whole lot of scripture that backs up everything

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I'm talking about. And to to give that in a

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church setting can be a little daunting. And I didn't

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realize that, but my wife made sure she told me that.

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You know, I would.

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Keep people there for like an hour and a half,

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just like just hammering them with the gospel, like you

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need to cast out demons. You need to you know,

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pray you pray this and pray that.

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After doing this for a couple of years, I felt

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like maybe this wasn't just for the church, you know,

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and so I would I would record these sermons and

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I put it on the show every once in a

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while and I call it the Army of God's Series.

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And just one thing led to another man and it

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just hit me like, you need to put this in

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book format, you know, take your notes and make a

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book out of it and send it out. And so

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that's what I did, and I'm hoping that each year

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to year and a half it's not really a set schedule,

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but there'll be more in that series. You know. I've

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been working on Discipleship a lot lately. So one of

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these days, maybe this next summer or something like that,

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I might have a second one in that series come out.

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But this past December. I don't know when this is

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going to air, so I don't know how long.

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Ago, but it'll be like a month, okay.

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So in December of twenty five, I decided to release

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a second book that was it was more like just

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for fun.

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You know.

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It's a fiction novel. It's called Terror by Night, and

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I'll hold that one up. I'm still titled Under Army

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of God. I got a little bit of glare going

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on there, but there it is. This one. It's still

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it's still a Christian novel, you know. It's it's still

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centers around spiritual warfare, but in this novel it crosses

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into the physical realm. And there's some really good notes.

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I've done a lot of shows, man, where people have

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asked me to come on and talk about Lilith, and

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I've done that almost ad nauseum, you know, I've.

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Done that a lot.

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But all of my notes are compiled and put into

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this story nice. So if people, you know, if that

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if it does appeal to them, if they feel like

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they've been dealing with that kind of spirit. I put

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all that into this book too. So that's it's a

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fiction novel, but there's a lot of real real to it.

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Yeah that's awesome.

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Yeah man, So that's me.

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That's me. So the main places are anywhere that podcasts

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are listened to, The Bump podcast, and then you have

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a website too, right, the Bump podcast dot Com.

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Yeah, I do. It's the Bump podcast dot Com. And

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it's mainly just going to be a series of links

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that can get you to other platforms if you want

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to look at it. I occasionally I might drop a

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video on there, but it's not very often. If it's

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like a real profound video and YouTube bans it like

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they did with doctor Lauris Sanger. Yesh, dude, that video

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was up for like half an hour and then it's like.

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Yeah, my first one where they stripped it was HEIGHTI love.

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They pulled her right down. It was like, what the heck?

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I edited it put it back up, but yeah, man,

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you hate it? Yeah, doctor Lord. They're not fans the

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algorithm isn't not at all.

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Like it got like three views in the first thirty minutes,

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and I guess one of them was a YouTube employee

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or something. I don't know, but they struck it down,

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hit me with strikes, warnings and threatening to demonetize me.

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I'm like, okay, I'll just put it somewhere else.

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Yeah, weapons, that happens for sure. So all right, man,

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So what the first question I really like to ask

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guests is what got you into this world of high strangeness?

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And I go all the way back, like did you

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have like, you know, paranormal issues or not issues, but

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like stuff when you were a kid or you know

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what I mean. It could wherever the origin story of

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this whole world of high strange and this was for you.

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Yeah. Yeah, it's as far back as I can remember.

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I've had like paranormal stuff around me, and when I

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was younger and even up into my thirties, I thought

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that was pretty cool, you know. And now you know

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a few years ago it clicked as to what I

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think was going on, and I'll share that too. But yeah,

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ever since I was a kid, man, like, growing up,

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the house was haunted, you know, we lived in this

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like one hundred year old stone house in uh in

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southern West Virginia, and it had history before we moved there.

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But uh, we were real poor kids, you know what

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I mean. We didn't have a whole lot. So like this,

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this family that lived I think they lived in Texas,

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they let us live in this house rent free. You know,

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we just had to do with the upkeep or whatever.

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So my mom moved in there and uh, people had

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died in the home.

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And it was just like a weirday, one of those.

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Yeah, like you go in the living room and it's rocking,

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or you know, you lay down at night and like

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the stereo turns on by itself and then you walk

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over to it and it stops, you know, just like little

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weird pesky stuff, you know. Yes, but yeah, man, just

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as life went on, you know, and I I grew

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up and went out on my own, just things followed me.

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Man.

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Like you know, if I moved into an apartment, there'd

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be weird stuff happening, you know, dishes moving in the kitchen. Uh,

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you know, there's there's voices. I don't know.

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It was just.

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Everywhere I went. And then I joined the military, things

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didn't seem too paranormal while I was in the Air Force.

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But uh, the day I was coming home, man, Uh,

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that was a real that was like a life changing,

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profound thing that happened. My dad came down. I was

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stationed at Barksdale. I didn't you, Louisiana veteran. Thanks for

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your service, man, thank you for the support.

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Bro.

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On the day I was leaving, my dad drove down

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to help me with the move back home. Right, So

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he come down and I showed him around. We you know,

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we went out and went to New Orleans and all

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the all the all the stuff you do before you

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leave somewhere for good. Yeah, and uh, we packed up

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and we're driving home and that night, I don't know,

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I guess it was around midnight. We're on the road

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and we were driving through this town. It was called Arkadelphia,

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and it sounds made up, but it's not right, right,

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It's it's uh, there's like I remember that where we

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were at because there was a water tower that we

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had just passed, you know, and it had it painted

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on the water towers Arkadelphia. It was on I twenty,

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coming out of Louisiana, and we're sitting in there, my

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and my dad's He had a he had an H

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two Homer at the time, and it was like candy

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apple red. It was cool, you know.

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the glass is flat, you know, it's like vertical windows,

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so there's not a whole lot of room for glare

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on that kind of stuff. But we're driving home and

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I noticed this light out of the corner of my

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eye off to my right, and it's going parallel with

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the Interstate. It's just a white light and it's moving

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at a pretty good pace, pretty far away. It just

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looks like a ball of light and it's it starts

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leading the vehicle, so it's going it's going faster than

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we are. And it gets out to where you can

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see it through the windshield now, right, and it gets

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right over top of I twenty, just like maybe a

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mile down the road. Like it's all nice and straight

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down there.

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So yeah, everything right, yeah, dude, And.

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It's just straight in front of us. And my dad

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sees it too. So now I have somebody that's a

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witness here, right, and we're watching this light and we're

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talking back and forth, you know, what is this? What

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is this? And then all of a sudden, this that

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white light flashed out and filled the entire windshield with

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this green color. Man, like it's this bright green. I

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don't know how to describe it. Uh, just a funky

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green green. The whole wind shall just lit up. And

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then that light sucked back in to to like a

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pinpoint and then disappeared. It was like something open to portal. Yeah,

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you know, and you know, in Unison, my dad and

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I were both like.

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What the you know, absolutely yeah, but.

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You know that was two thousand and nine. We didn't

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have like iPhones out. We're just we're just trucking along, yeah, man,

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and uh it just hit like this stuff is extremely real?

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What is that? You know? And it sparked that curiosity.

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While I was in I started a little ghost hunting

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team because ghost Hunters was big and I was in Louisiana,

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you know, like I said, was there wasn't a whole

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lot of paranormal going on while I was in, but

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I was trying to make paranormal stuff go on, yes,

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And I called the ghost hunting team Bump, So, I

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mean it's an old name, it's been around for that

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twenty year. That's cool. And we would just do stuff

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like go to cemeteries and stuff and try to find

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weird stuff, but it's not even worth and st yeah, man,

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so you know, we we do that stuff, and I

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come back home and I try to carry that on.

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I had a buddy in Michigan that called me to

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come up to his house to check it out because

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he swore that he heard growling and stuff like that

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in the basement of his home and old Air Force buddy.

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And so I drove up there and had what was

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probably a near death experience checking that stuff out. Because

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you know, you play with stuff that you don't realize

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what you're doing, you know what I mean, You like

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I was. I was a total idiot, honestly, dude.

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I go up there blind leading the blind man.

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It was man, And I'm saying it's kind of funny now,

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but in the moment, it was just pure ignorance that

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opened the door. And so if I repeat this story,

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just I don't want anybody to go out and do

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this stuff. Just take it as a warning as to

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not do it. But I went up there with all

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my ghost hunting stuff, right, so I had like the

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the thermal air reader, you know, take the ambient air

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temperature stuff, the digital recorders to record any you know, EVPs,

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And so I'm going up there and we're checking this

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stuff out, and we go down into his basement and

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all around. I know, I feel like I'm jumping around here, man,

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But I'm just giving you I had looks a little

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bit of a timeline of hike, how weird stuff happened

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to me until I started a show. So we go

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down to this guy's basement, right, and we're talking to

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the ghost or whatever, and we do air we do

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temperature readings, and around where I stand, it's significantly colder

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on this reading, like fifteen to twenty degrees colder no

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matter where I go in the room. So it just

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seemed like something was around me, right, And being an idiot,

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I invited whatever it was to use my life force,

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use my energy blah blah, to manifest. Oh my gosh, right, stupid,

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ain't it? So nothing showed up? Right, But that night

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I got in such a way, man, Like my blood

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pressure spiked like one sixty over one twenty. I went

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to urgent care and they wouldn't see me because I

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didn't have insurance. I just got out of the air force.

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I hadn't started a job yet. I've been out like

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a month, right, So I go home. I go back

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to his house and it's like I don't know if

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I passed out or went to sleep. It's like the

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walls felt like they were just closing in on me, man.

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And I was wrecked for about a week. And then

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after that, for five solid years, it felt like I

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had a curse, dude, Like if anything could go wrong,

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it went wrong. I couldn't get in a vehicle hardly,

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Like without my car breaking down, I couldn't find meaning

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and purpose and peace. You know, I had already straight

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away from the Lord. You know, I found I found

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Jesus when I was like twenty. But then I fell really,

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really really far away. And so this was like this

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lowest point in my life, man. And for five solid years,

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I was just like a toy for the devil. Man.

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I just I got beat up, coming and going, and uh,

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I just kind of thought that was my lot in life.

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Man.

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I felt like I just didn't deserve anything, I didn't

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need anything. And yeah, it's just that that went on

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and it was almost five years to the day, and

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it just felt like something lifted off, like boom. It

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just ended. And I didn't do anything profound at that

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time to stop it. It's just like it had a

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there was like a series of time I had to

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pay for.

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What I did. It's like the cursive whatever.

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Yeah. And you know, within a couple of years after that,

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after after the realizations of you know, reality and all that,

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you know, God slowly reeled me back home and uh,

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you know, I rededicated my life to him and stuff

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about thirty seven, thirty eight, thirty nine, somewhere through there,

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you know, my late thirties early you know, right around

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forty and I compiled my stories, man, and there's there's

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a whole lot that happened in my life that didn't

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make the highlight reel. But we uh, we've had a journey, man,

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And I know you uh, you get into big Foot.

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So I'll tell you that one real quick too, if

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you want.

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Yeah.

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I was thirty eight years old, and this is another

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one of those things. It's like confirmation that we're not

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alone kind of stuff. So it was post curse and

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pre Christ I guess, you know it was. I was like, yeah,

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one of those one of those moments before before Yeah,

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it was right in that window. Man, I went, uh,

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it was. It's right down the road from my house. Dude,

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I'm not fifteen minutes away from the place I went

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squirrel hunting mid September, and it was it was a

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wildlife management area down here, so everything's protected. You know,

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you're off, you're by yourself. You're allowed to squirrel hunt

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in the area. And I went down there and got

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set up against this tree, and it started raining a

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little bit. And if you hunt, or know anybody that does,

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when the rain stops, squirrels come back out, you know

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what I mean. Like they're one of the first things

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to get back in action. You know. I thought a

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little bit of drizzle of rain is a good thing.

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So I just sat there and waited.

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Did you cover Yeah at least? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.

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So I got tucked in and I'm sitting there waiting,

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and I hear, like I said, I'm in southern West Virginia,

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so it's it's all mountains, right. It's like, there's not

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a flat spot around here. So I'm up against this

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hillside and it's pretty straight up and down behind me.

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There might be some deer trails or anything back there,

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but up behind me in this wildlife management area. I

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hear what sounds like somebody kind of giggling, you know,

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and it sounded like a woman, yep, and not to

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racially profile in any way, shape or form, but it

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kind of sounded like an Asian lady, you know. Yeah,

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it's like an Asian lady giggling talking kind of up

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behind me. And we don't have a very large population

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to fit that demographic where I live, right, I mean,

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it's right right, And so it just hit me as funny.

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I was like, who would be out here in hunting season,

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in the middle of nowhere in this WMA, up on

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this ridge right and finding something funny in the rain?

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I mean, that don't make sense. So I hear that

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and kind of put it out of my head for

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a second. Rain stops, squirrel comes out. I shoot the squirrel.

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I'll go get it, bring it back to where I'm

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sitting at And I just tucked back in. And right

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after I sit back down, man, and that same spot

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behind me, I hear another vocalization. It sounds like, okay,

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like if you fall on your butt and it kind

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of knocks the breath out of it, like that kind

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of sound, right, I hear that, and simultaneously I hear

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a large thud and I look up behind me, and

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I don't see what it was. But what I see

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is a branch off of a tree, like helicopter and

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like not land over land, but like sideways, and it

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it hits the tree back behind me on the hill

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and kind of changes trajectory and goes off to my right. Yeah,

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and so that's got my attention, right, Yeah, of course

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this Asian lady through a tree branch. But you know,

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by that point in my life, you know, I was

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like thirty eight years old. I listened to West Germer

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and Sasquatch Chronicles and all that bab so I was

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well aware of what I thought was going on. Yeah,

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so I whip up my at that point, I do

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have a cell phone, you know. So I pull out

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the cell phone and I start panning around, just recording

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the area, and I, you know, I start talking to it.

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You know, I'm not going to go anywhere. I don't

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mean you any harm, and blah blah, and just trying

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to negotiate for this thing to show it. So right,

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never do see anything, man, But I go home fully

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convinced that I just had some kind of encounter, because

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how would that happen, you know what I mean? And

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what could that be.

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Like squirrels are throwing uh or anything in the wood

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other than you know, laughing Asian ladies.

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Right, And you know, in my mind, I thought it

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heard the shot, it didn't like it, or maybe absolute

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maybe it thought I was gonna run away and it

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was going to get a quick meal. I don't know.

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But I wouldn't even squirrel.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't going to let that happen,

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you know. And it's like it didn't turn me off

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from hunting like it does some people. You know, I

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still went back, but you know, i'd be lying if

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I if I said I didn't get nervous, you know.

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Of course, absolutely I'd.

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Go back to that area. And there wud be days

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you know, you go in well before daylight, you know,

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with a little flashlight and you find your hunting spot

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or whatever. But there be days. Man, I'd sit in

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my truck when I had it then and I couldn't

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get out my truck until the sun came up, Like

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couldn't make myself do it.

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Yeah, that's the only thing for me. Now, I'll walk

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around the woods all day during the day. I don't

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have an issue by myself at all during the day.

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At night, though, it's a different animal now. Literally, I

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will go I'll go out with other people at night,

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but I can't. I can't bring myself to do to

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be out there on my own at night. I just

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had too many hairy experiences and I'm just like this

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is not cool, Like I'm and I don't know why.

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It's just I never got afraid during the day, but

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I've gotten afraid at night. I don't know what that's

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all about, but I.

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Am yeah, yeah, man, uh you know, and I still

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go camping. I camp solo and stuff like that.

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Oh yeah, no, I do that too, but you bro,

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like I'm in the tent, uh once it goes once

462
00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:23.400
the sun goes down, like it's not even me sitting

463
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:28.480
by the fire by myself anymore. Yeah. Not that it's

464
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:32.480
going to save me from anything, you know, But no, nope.

465
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:37.680
Yeah, So I just take to ourselves, I know, man,

466
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:38.920
It's like I can't help it.

467
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:39.240
You know.

468
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:42.640
I love the woods more than I'll fear anything in it,

469
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:45.640
and so I'll just take a bigger firearm and hope

470
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:46.880
that don't flag you on anything.

471
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:49.279
But I just know, uh the same way.

472
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:54.720
I just roll in, strapped up, man, and uh do

473
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:55.279
my thing.

474
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:55.599
Man.

475
00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:59.759
But yeah, that that they called it a Class B

476
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:05.039
yeahcount or whatever. And I talked to a dude from BFRO.

477
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:06.880
He got a hold of me. I had him on

478
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:10.200
the show a couple couple of times years ago, and

479
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:13.759
they got me on Finding Bigfoot. They did that big

480
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:19.200
return episode, yeah, right about five years ago, and they

481
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:20.759
had me come out there for a town hall meeting.

482
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:22.720
So I got to talk about that for like thirteen

483
00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:29.440
seconds on air. It was fun. It was fun, yeah, man,

484
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:32.039
by all that stuff PI was in together, and you know,

485
00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:35.359
you have people paving the way like Wes and Tony

486
00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:39.880
and them, and it just led me to striking out

487
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:43.119
on my own and doing a show because I thought,

488
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:46.519
worst case scenario, I'll get to come on here on

489
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:51.240
my own terms and share my stories. But it was

490
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:54.920
never that. You know, from the first episode, I did

491
00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:59.400
a little intro. It was horrible at lasted about ten minutes. Yeah,

492
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.119
And and then I started bringing guests on. You know.

493
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:04.960
The first couple were people that I knew, and then

494
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:09.400
after that it just it just started rolling, man, And

495
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:11.640
it's been fun. It's been a blessing.

496
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:12.839
Yeah.

497
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:13.359
No.

498
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:20.759
I remember the first episode I heard from you. It

499
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:26.599
was a Bigfoot episode. I don't remember who was on. Yeah,

500
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:29.519
I don't remember who was on, but I do remember

501
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:33.400
that one being the first one that I listened to

502
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:40.079
of yours. And then I remember the laud episode. Oh yeah, man,

503
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:43.319
and I think I had heard you talk about that

504
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:47.119
on another podcast. And then I was like, I got

505
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:53.640
to check this out because this is when it just first,

506
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:58.119
when I first started switching from just being sasquatch to

507
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:03.200
this all rhymes man, you know, because I've just been thinking,

508
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:05.759
you know, And then when I talked to Gary Wayne

509
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:08.359
and he told me what eli you actually meant, I

510
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:08.720
was like.

511
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:15.039
Oh, come on, come on, like yeah, So, so I

512
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:18.799
remember that, and I've used that story from your your

513
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:24.160
your podcast with her talking with the you know, mind

514
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:28.559
speaker whatever that was, and her using that term eliud

515
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:29.240
and I've.

516
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:33.400
Used that, and I don't know how many ad nauseum podcasts,

517
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:36.759
you know, talking about that and how there's that correlation.

518
00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:42.839
So I appreciate that absolutely, you know, I really think

519
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:44.440
that's what we're dealing with.

520
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.359
Man. Yeah, no, and I don't see I think it's

521
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:50.920
all of it. It's not just not just sasquatch. I

522
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:54.200
think there's some dog Man. I think dog Man and

523
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:59.119
all the other creature's monsters, whatever you want. I think

524
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:02.359
not all maybe, but a lot of there's just that

525
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:06.759
that uh, there's that hook. So yeah, that's a whole

526
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.960
other episode or ten, you know what I mean.

527
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:11.079
Yeh.

528
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:12.960
And I talked about that stuff on my show all

529
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:16.200
the time. So it's it's one of those things that

530
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:22.839
so early early influencers on you. You said, Wes, you said, Tony,

531
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:25.920
who else? Anybody else? H?

532
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:29.559
Yeah, I would. Yeah, it would be a disservice to

533
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:32.319
not talk about the man who I talked to, Like

534
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:35.880
I said, I talked to him off air, and he

535
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:38.759
kind of gave me guidance as to how to how

536
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:43.200
to handle my show. And he has since. I think

537
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:46.759
he quit talking about the scary stuff man, And well

538
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:48.920
it's a different kind of scary. I think he talks

539
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:52.599
about politics now, okay, but dark.

540
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.839
Waters, Oh yeah, I know who he is. I mean,

541
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.640
I don't know him, but I know who he is. Yeah.

542
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:00.799
You don't see him talk about this spooky stuff too

543
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:01.519
much anymore?

544
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:03.759
Man, Yeah, he said, he said a few years ago

545
00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:07.759
that he was hanging up the dog man stuff. And

546
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:09.400
I don't blame him for it, you know.

547
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:12.839
Yeah, that's the one thing I don't really talk about.

548
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:16.440
He I don't know why.

549
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:18.799
He's just he's such a wealth of knowledge and such

550
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:23.759
a wonderful guy. Dude. Uh off air. He took so

551
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:26.759
much time for me, man, he would he would call me,

552
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:31.359
checked on me, and uh, you know, we we had

553
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:35.759
good communication for a little while, and I don't know,

554
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:38.039
I could imagine he's pretty busy.

555
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:42.279
Yeah, so I've read his YouTube channel's pretty big.

556
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:46.799
Yeah, Like when we talked, he had like at this point,

557
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:49.160
I think he had like thirty thousand followers or something

558
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:51.680
like that. And I don't even know how many he's

559
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:52.880
got now, I don't.

560
00:33:53.440 --> 00:34:00.079
Yeah, he's up there. Yeah I can tell you. I

561
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:04.240
I definitely have watched his podcasts in the past. Yeah, man,

562
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.359
but he uh, he does seem to be a wealth

563
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:10.599
of knowledge. But so what did he say, Like, what

564
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:13.639
advice did he give you? Yeah, he's at five hundred

565
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:19.280
and seventy two thousand now, Yeah, well earned and there

566
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:24.840
we go, mister Mark Waters. Yeah, yeah, so he's definitely

567
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:26.039
making a living doing this.

568
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:28.559
Yeah, for sure, man, just say for sure.

569
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:31.039
James Williams. That's his name, James, that's it.

570
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:33.920
He's a businessman, you know, it's like that was his

571
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:37.199
professional background was in business, so he knows, he knows

572
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:41.239
what he's doing. Yeah. I didn't have that luxury.

573
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:41.559
You know.

574
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:46.440
My background was twisting wrenches and coal moaning the right.

575
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:47.679
Yeah, yeah, I got you.

576
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:53.280
But yeah, he told me about making it an altar

577
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:57.519
to God, he said, you know, and it's mostly through prayer,

578
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:04.760
you know, to sit down with the Lord and make

579
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:09.280
a commitment and you know, lay lay your show or

580
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:13.119
your works, whatever your works may be, lay them down

581
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:18.400
at the altar and ask God if he would receive it,

582
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:22.519
and just let you be a steward of this product,

583
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:27.440
of this service that it belongs to him, let him

584
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:33.719
send you who he wants, and stop making it about yourself.

585
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:35.719
Absolutely, And.

586
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:41.079
You know that's it's hard to do that when you

587
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:43.000
feel like you're putting the work in and you feel

588
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:44.920
like it's your brain child, and you feel like this

589
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:52.280
or that, but it is it's rewarding in a spiritual sense.

590
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:55.639
Yeah, kind of get that ego out of the way.

591
00:35:56.280 --> 00:36:00.679
Yeah, man, And I'll be honest with you, this year

592
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:07.280
has been incredibly difficult. I had no problem, you know,

593
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:11.119
laying in anything. Nothing comes before God for me. Nothing nothing.

594
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:17.800
But I started looking at the business side of doing

595
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:20.440
the show, you know, in the business side of writing

596
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:26.159
a book and wanting to see downloads, wanting to see

597
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.800
revenue coming in, wanted you know, wanted to see book sales.

598
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:40.880
And I started, you no, wanting to rely on income

599
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:42.840
from the show. I've been doing it for a long time,

600
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:46.719
right right, And I see people that started after me

601
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:51.519
come up. And I've seen people that I started at

602
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:55.440
the same time with that we used to talk and

603
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:59.199
now they're making probably a couple of hundred thousand a

604
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:02.880
year off their show. Oh yeah, and here's mine. And

605
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.480
I'm like, you know, what's happening. So I start, I

606
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:08.239
take my eyes off the cross for a second. Oh yeah,

607
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:17.840
And doing that, dude, I had to be reminded. And

608
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:23.239
you don't want God to have to remind you of things, no, no,

609
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:26.559
but I had to be reminded that it's not about me,

610
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:33.280
and it's definitely not about money. It's about him. Yeah,

611
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:38.519
And so I watched my show that I've been doing

612
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:43.639
for almost six years. Though ed I'm currently getting the

613
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:48.119
downloads that I got five years ago. It's just like

614
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:52.880
a gut punch, like, yeah, who do you think you are?

615
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:53.719
Do you?

616
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:56.920
What do you think you're doing this? This has nothing

617
00:37:56.920 --> 00:38:00.960
to do with you, right, So you're go getting you know,

618
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:05.599
I don't know, thousands and thousands of downloads a week.

619
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:09.400
Yeah too, You're you're lucky to get a thousand downloads

620
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:14.199
this week? Man. And it's like, what am I doing wrong? Well,

621
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:16.880
you took your eyes off of me?

622
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:20.440
Yeah, you know I did it? Yeah, I And and

623
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:23.039
it's not a it's a fine line. Well it's not

624
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:27.480
that fine line, but it definitely I think the way

625
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:33.519
that I've been doing it is this is a ministry yep.

626
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:39.039
And that's how you have to approach it. And I

627
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:43.920
and it feels right, you know, yeah, and and yeah

628
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:48.280
I get it though many yeah, man, you it'll burn

629
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:51.519
you and you know it. You're like, dude, because it

630
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:53.559
did happen to me too. And I haven't done it

631
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:58.719
is nearly. I've been podcasting a long time, but this

632
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:03.639
podcast you've had the same podcast for like six years, right,

633
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:07.400
And that that's a that's brutal, that's just like oof.

634
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.960
I totally understand because I did that about a year.

635
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:18.039
I wasn't that far into it, but like with this podcast,

636
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:21.599
and I just I and I literally was like, oh,

637
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:26.800
I kind of got like annoyed because I wasn't getting

638
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:29.960
where I wanted to go with it. And then and

639
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.800
then it took It was literally like me two weeks

640
00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:36.440
and I was like, I wouldn't say I took it off,

641
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:41.039
but I just didn't. I was like, screw this kind

642
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:44.960
of and I got answered and it was like nope,

643
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:50.760
Like my the audio went through the floor, and.

644
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:53.320
I was just like, oh my god, yeah man.

645
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:57.840
And I'm just getting back to where I was a

646
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:02.320
year ago just for what that. But it's because well

647
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:04.280
it's for the right reasons.

648
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:09.320
Right, Yeah, it's gonna be obedience, man, And it's totally

649
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:09.880
my fault.

650
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:10.400
You know.

651
00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:17.159
It was probably around I don't know, November. I'd say

652
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:21.880
that I was like, oh, I gotta make this much

653
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:24.320
money I got, I gotta make this much money come

654
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:26.320
in so I can take care of this or that,

655
00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:31.880
and yeah, what you know, it's not about that, man.

656
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:36.280
Yeah, it's such a rookie mistake and it is such

657
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:38.000
a selfish, selfish thing.

658
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:41.679
But uh that you know, you can because this is

659
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:44.880
a ministry, yes, you know, and it takes a lot

660
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:49.239
of swallowing your pride to even say, talk about this

661
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:52.800
out loud right now, man. But it's almost like a

662
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:56.079
preacher after church is over going and looking at the

663
00:40:56.119 --> 00:41:00.519
collection plate, you know that is that why you doing it?

664
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:02.360
Yeah? Right, yep.

665
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:06.280
But uh I had that moment man where I was like,

666
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:09.320
I want to I want to make Christmas good or

667
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:12.039
I want you know, I want to I want to

668
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.760
you know, get a higher quality camera so I can

669
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:17.320
keep up with the Joneses, you know, and.

670
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:21.119
Yeah, right, instead of just using the the crappy iPhone

671
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:24.719
you have, which right, it doesn't matter like it does,

672
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:25.719
but it doesn't.

673
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:30.960
That's the thing. And it's you know, I know the

674
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:34.159
guests that come on are going to reach who the

675
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.079
Lord wants them to reach. Yeah, and so if I

676
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:41.039
get twenty downloads one day, one of those twenty people

677
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:46.000
at least is who God wanted to hear whatever's being produced.

678
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:48.920
And that's what you need to look at. You know,

679
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:52.559
our rewards are being stacked in heaven. It's not our

680
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:56.840
treasure is there. It's not here. Yeah, And it's it's

681
00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:59.800
all about getting testimonies. Because that's what that's what the

682
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:05.239
show has kind of just become. It's no longer just

683
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:08.639
about telling me scary stories and let's let's scare each other.

684
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:13.199
You know, it's about I went through this, this is

685
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:16.800
what it was. Here's some scripture that can connect it,

686
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:21.920
and this is how we overcome through Christ. And so

687
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:26.719
it's stories of redemption every week. And if that's you know,

688
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:29.360
if my audience has to change, if that's what's going on,

689
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:33.000
if it's a segue from people that want to hear

690
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:39.599
the spooky going away and this a base of people

691
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:43.159
finding Christ is coming up, then glory be to God.

692
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:44.119
You know.

693
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:47.440
If it's just penance for me being an idiot for

694
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:51.440
a couple of months, Glory be to God. Yeah, bro,

695
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:56.760
But yeah, all you can do is be obedient. And

696
00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:01.480
like you said, you experienced it. How many times do

697
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:02.880
we see the profits mess up?

698
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:06.480
You know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah, true, So.

699
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:08.800
We'll be all right.

700
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:12.840
Absolutely. I think it's one of those things like if

701
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:15.960
you just start making the content that your heart tells

702
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:19.679
you to make it, it all work out and be

703
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:24.119
consistent about it, and you know there is a balance

704
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:26.599
because you have to play the balancing game. With with

705
00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:30.199
what you're able to do, and just because you want

706
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:33.239
to do it doesn't mean you can or should, right,

707
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:40.000
So so I definitely I definitely know where I got it.

708
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:44.079
I uh and I've had this through business and all

709
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:47.880
kinds of things. I get it. So it's that balance

710
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:51.079
creating content. It's tough. It can be tough, especially when

711
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:55.840
you have a job. It's just one of those things too,

712
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:58.480
is that you've got to look at the blessings too,

713
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:03.000
is look at who who in your life? Uh, And

714
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:05.480
who have you met through the business that could also

715
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:10.840
make your life easier or better and things like that,

716
00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:14.280
you know, And so you've got to lean on people.

717
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:16.440
The way I look at it, man, I was I'm

718
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:19.360
a veteran to you got to look at you got

719
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:25.679
to look at it absolutely my pleasure. Like what do

720
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:29.559
you even say to that, you know? Than I'm like,

721
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.599
I literally I am going it's my pleasure. And I

722
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:34.960
get that from check fil a. I'm like, I'll hit

723
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:37.000
them at the check fil a. It is my pleasure.

724
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:40.800
I mean, I fully mean that too. But at the

725
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:46.320
end of the day, So with this though, it's kind

726
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:51.599
of like I have four kids, man, I get it.

727
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:54.519
It's it's tough, but at the end of the day,

728
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:57.400
it's the grind. It is a grind, but it's a

729
00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:01.519
grind for a reason, especially if you're trying trying to

730
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:05.519
touch hearts and minds. I hate that, but I say it.

731
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:08.400
And at the end of the day too, you've got

732
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:11.760
to remember things like that you learned through camaraderie in

733
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:17.320
the militaries, things like raising tides, right, you know, rising tides,

734
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:22.719
raises all ships, things like that, and surround yourself with

735
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:27.159
those people. And there's plenty of them here, plenty of

736
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.679
them in this niche and this genre. And there's some

737
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:35.079
assholes too though, man, and we do know everybody knows

738
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:38.239
who they are. But at the end of the day too,

739
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:42.360
it's not a reason to be an asshole yourself. Right.

740
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:48.239
So I'm Switzerland, brother, and I'm friends with everybody, you know.

741
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:53.159
And the other thing is, I think, and I see this.

742
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:55.199
I see this with you too, and I see this

743
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:59.559
with your show. You interview who you want to interview.

744
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:02.960
There's nobody's going to tell you who to interview or

745
00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:06.079
who not to and you know, you know what I'm saying,

746
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:11.760
and I and I love that. So yeah, man, it

747
00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:12.360
just is what.

748
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:19.239
Yeah, I tried to not get caught up in pol texts, man, Yeah,

749
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:25.039
and chasing names, you know, like I love having somebody

750
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:27.119
like doctor Laura Singer on the show.

751
00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:31.440
Was so fun to talk to. Yeah, man, the fact

752
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:33.360
that she even gives guys like us time at the

753
00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:35.519
time of day, Man, come on.

754
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:39.599
For real, And I love talking to them and I

755
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:43.400
do gain personally. It edifies me, you know, or Vicky

756
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:50.960
Joy Anderson I just again Natalie Natalie attwill see.

757
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:52.159
I love.

758
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:54.559
I love having her on man, and she's coming on

759
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:59.280
next week. But it would be easy to get caught

760
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:01.880
up in just talking to these people, like just the

761
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:06.880
ones that have the ten thousand hours, the professionals. But

762
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:14.599
I don't know, I'm supposed to bring on whoever emails me. Yeah,

763
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:17.880
and because they have something that was put on their

764
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:23.519
hearts to talk about and they are just as important

765
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:29.039
to God as you know Trump, you know what I mean, Like,

766
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:35.400
it don't matter who you are, So I couldn't put

767
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:38.679
anybody above another on who I'm bringing on or who

768
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:40.280
I seek out and stuff like that.

769
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:44.719
And yeah, I agree, it's all just the order it falls,

770
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:45.519
yeah man.

771
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:51.599
And also you've done this for a while have. Do

772
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:55.960
you notice like a trend or like a pattern of

773
00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:00.639
what kind of episodes are coming through your show? Like

774
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:04.239
what I mean by that is like I'll have a

775
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:07.280
month to where every person that wants to come on

776
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:10.599
the show that month is just happens to be talking

777
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:12.119
about like sleep paralysis.

778
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:17.119
And then Yeah, I don't know if that's grifting or

779
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:19.119
what that is. It's weird.

780
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:21.840
It's just like and but I'll have them lined up

781
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:23.840
and not even know it, and it'll come on the

782
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:25.800
show and it's just like that's what everybody's talking about,

783
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:29.519
sleep paralysis. And then like this the beginning of this year,

784
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:34.360
I've had like two or three Bigfoot encounters again, like

785
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.480
it feels like twenty twenty again. Man, it's like everybody's

786
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:40.000
want to talk about Yeah, and it's just like it

787
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:41.800
just goes through these waves.

788
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:47.159
And I'm kind of cycling back through like people I've

789
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:50.400
had on before at this point and just kind of

790
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:54.039
seeing what they're up to, you know, like what's new

791
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:57.719
or I mean I have new people like you and

792
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.159
the other people that I haven't talked to you for

793
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:04.880
but I look for I'll tell you, man, this isn't

794
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:09.880
rocket science for me. I literally scroll through social media

795
00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:14.360
and I look at things that just hit me, and

796
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:16.400
if they hit me and it calls out to me,

797
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:18.679
I reach out. I don't have a lot of people

798
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:23.000
reach out to me. I do. So this is weird.

799
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:25.079
This is a really weird thing that you just kind

800
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:28.360
of hit with me for this podcast I don't have

801
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:31.559
because I have another podcast too, and I can't get

802
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:33.960
people to stop trying to get on that show. And

803
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:37.840
it's not because it's popular, because it's not even popular.

804
00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:44.239
It's a national security podcast that I do, but I

805
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:47.920
can't get people like I get new interview requests, like

806
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:52.760
I wish I had that problem with the broadcasting seeds.

807
00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:56.880
I don't have people say no to coming on, but

808
00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:00.639
I have to initiate. And I think that's very telling.

809
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:08.599
It's because it's it's where I am being led to ask, right.

810
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:11.079
And there's a few guests out there that have been like,

811
00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:14.239
I can't ask to be on a show, like they're

812
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:19.320
led by by God and he's like forbid them to

813
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:23.400
go out and like try to be on a show

814
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:26.599
versus them asking for And so I've had a lot

815
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:29.679
of that lately, where people that I ask are like,

816
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:31.800
I'm so glad you asked, because I really wanted to

817
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:33.679
come on your show. I saw you on this show

818
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:37.679
or that show, but I'm not allowed to ask, So

819
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:39.159
that's kind of cool.

820
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:42.599
That is cool, man. Yeah, So I'm lead.

821
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:47.880
I'm being led to them. Literally, I'm just obscure people

822
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:49.440
to not even like you know.

823
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:52.079
And that goes back to obedience, you know, if you

824
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:54.519
feel led to do it and you're doing it, or

825
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:56.760
to God. Yeah, yeah, man, I'd like to get you

826
00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:00.239
on my show and whatever. Man, talk about some these

827
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:03.920
experiences that you've had, Like what what makes it so

828
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:05.719
so spooky at night when you get in your tent?

829
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:07.440
You know what I mean?

830
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:10.239
Yeah, it's just past experience as I've had. Man, that's

831
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:13.360
just like, Okay, I'm fifty one years old and I'm

832
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:15.400
not playing games anymore.

833
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:19.159
All right, so I'm not as fast as I used

834
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:19.360
to be.

835
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:24.920
Nope, Nope, I still go out. I still research. I mean,

836
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:28.239
is that what we call it research? Yeah, it's more

837
00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:32.199
like smoking cigars and bullshitting. But it's still a lot

838
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:33.400
of fun man, you know.

839
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:37.639
Yeah, I love that approach that everybody's like, you know,

840
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:40.199
the best way to have a big foot encounter is

841
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:43.079
to just go camping and sit around the campfire and

842
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:47.239
just see if something happens. I'm like, okay, I call

843
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:47.880
that research.

844
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:53.320
I accept your research. Yeah, although I have. Yeah, I

845
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:56.519
heard a story lately that was just amazing and they

846
00:51:56.559 --> 00:51:59.599
were actually out walking around in the woods. No, I'm

847
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:03.800
not that's crap. I do go do that. I just

848
00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:06.119
but it's not like that's our main thing. We might

849
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:09.840
do it one night on like a four day expedition, right,

850
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:14.000
maybe two, But we're not like Trumps and through the woods.

851
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:19.440
We go find spots and then we usually sit there anyway,

852
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:23.159
you know what I'm saying. But it's a lot of fun. Yeah, man,

853
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:29.800
So how do you find that what's a mistake you've

854
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:33.159
made early in the show that becomes that has become

855
00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:36.079
a lesson for you besides what you were just talking about,

856
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:37.480
like maybe early on.

857
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:43.039
Yeah, I'll tell you. A big mistake is to compare

858
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:44.679
your show to someone else's.

859
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:48.639
Can't can't do it, dude, because they're so different. Even

860
00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:50.760
when they're the same, they're different. Yeah.

861
00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:54.039
Man, it's so different, and you don't know what's going

862
00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:57.440
on behind the scenes for somebody else. You don't know

863
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:02.360
what their resources are, you don't know what kind of

864
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:06.920
downtime they have or scheduling that they have. There's so

865
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:10.599
many variables to putting out a show, and it's kind

866
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:14.559
of like, well, when when Jesus is talking to Peter

867
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:19.599
and John and he's like he tells Peter to come

868
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:21.880
with him, you know that this is going to happen.

869
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:23.280
This is going to happen. To Peter's like, well, what

870
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:25.559
about this guy, you know? Talking about John? He's like,

871
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:28.079
what's it to you? If he stays here until I return?

872
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:31.000
You come with me. So it's like, stop worrying about

873
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:35.599
what other people are doing. Yeah, right, So comparing yourself

874
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:39.079
to someone else's show or trying to measure your success

875
00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:42.360
based on someone else's success, all that's going to do

876
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:45.679
is bring you discouragement. And if you're doing better than

877
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:48.880
someone else's show on the books, you know, all that's

878
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:51.599
going to do is stroke your ego and you don't

879
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:56.440
need that either. Yeah, So, you know, to keep our

880
00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:59.320
eyes on our mission and not worry about what's going

881
00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:01.760
on with other shows. That would that would be a

882
00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:07.679
big mistake. Inconsistency would be a big mistake because it

883
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:10.599
does not take long for people who do listen to

884
00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:15.000
your show. If you're not putting out content at whatever

885
00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:18.360
set schedule you have, if it's every week, every two weeks,

886
00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:21.679
if it's monthly, whatever your schedule is that fits your needs.

887
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:27.000
If you're not consistent in doing that, there'll be twenty

888
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:29.119
shows that can replace your show in a heart.

889
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:42.159
Yeah for sure. So yeah absolutely, yeah, man, goodness, how

890
00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:51.599
how has Bump reshaped your like professional path or or

891
00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:53.880
maybe opened unexpected doors?

892
00:54:55.320 --> 00:55:01.880
Absolutely, I wrote a book. Never saw that COVID. I'll

893
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:02.360
tell you that.

894
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:06.159
You're like, what, Yeah, I have a buck here and me.

895
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:14.039
Yeah, yeah, that's that's through the show for sure, because

896
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:18.280
it it opened up this this base that I could

897
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:20.639
I could send it to you know that I could

898
00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:24.039
I could talk to. Doing the show has helped me

899
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:30.400
with any kind of public speaking issues. Well, I know

900
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:33.960
we're talking to cameras really or looking at screens, but

901
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:38.079
but still, yeah, you get so comfortable having conversation with

902
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:42.360
people about really weird things. It helps you on a

903
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:46.239
professional level of being able to witness a little bit

904
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:48.599
easier to other people, you know, as far as like

905
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:56.840
and being a disciple. It opens doors for going to

906
00:55:56.920 --> 00:55:58.679
conventions and conferences.

907
00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:00.960
Yeah that sounds about to say that you can roll

908
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:03.159
up in the convention and you go up to people

909
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:07.639
like you never even think about doing that before, Like,

910
00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:10.960
and you're just like hey man, you know, and they're

911
00:56:11.079 --> 00:56:14.559
they're your peers in all honesty, and yeah, you're shaking

912
00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:18.360
hands and whatnot, and that's huge. Yeah.

913
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:22.519
We did a big Foot festival last last summer and

914
00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:26.079
there there's a couple of people that I was excited

915
00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:29.000
to meet and they seemed excited to meet me too. Yeah,

916
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:32.280
and it was so awkward. You know, I'm like looking

917
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:33.920
behind me, you know, it's like.

918
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:34.719
No, dude.

919
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:39.000
Uh So, yeah, it it definitely opens a lot of

920
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:47.239
doors man. There's a lot of fruit that comes from it. Yeah.

921
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:50.199
I mean you get to be buddies with people that

922
00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:53.960
you used to just look up to. Yeah, I mean

923
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:55.800
you can still look up to them, but now you

924
00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:58.239
text each other, you know what I mean. It's like

925
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:05.760
it opens friendships. It's there's been nothing bad. You know,

926
00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:12.480
you learn and you grow and things might change in

927
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:16.880
your life that I don't know, it probably needed to change.

928
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:24.119
Anyway, probably, right, just got the spurs age change it,

929
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:29.039
and somebody didn't give you a choice, right, Yeah. I

930
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:32.599
met Doc Brownett, uh for I mean, we talked and

931
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:35.599
he had been on the show and vice versa, but

932
00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:38.280
we had never met each other until this past summer.

933
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:45.159
And and Gatlinburg at the Smoky Mountain Big Bigfoot Conference.

934
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:47.559
There's two of them there, so it's it's a smoking

935
00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:52.079
on Bigfoot conference. Yeah. So that was that was a

936
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:54.880
lot of fun. Got to meet Jeff Meldrim right before

937
00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:58.760
he passed. There was just some really cool things that

938
00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:02.840
just don't happen in other places. So I always encourage

939
00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:07.360
people just go have fun, even if you don't if

940
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:09.239
you're not going and you don't have a table, and

941
00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:11.920
you don't do whatever, just go and walk around and

942
00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:15.079
talk to everybody, and you know, usually the admission, if

943
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:20.719
there even is admission, right, it's hardly anything, right, Yeah,

944
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:21.760
it's just a good time.

945
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:26.719
They're definitely worth going too. Man. Like I said, I

946
00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:31.400
had a table last year, and I would I intend

947
00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:34.840
to do a few of them this year. Yeah, you know,

948
00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:39.280
Lord Willing, It just all depends. But I don't know.

949
00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:42.119
If you figure it out, let me know, and who knows,

950
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:43.679
maybe I'll come.

951
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:49.599
Yes, sir, Yes, sir. Another thing about mistakes, huh, if

952
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:51.639
you're going to do this route and you're going to

953
00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:56.360
do conventions and conferences and stuff like that. You may

954
00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:59.920
not want to get too zealous and have an over

955
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:02.679
head in your in your stock, in your merch and

956
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:03.039
all that.

957
00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:06.920
Yeah, you know, because.

958
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:11.000
Taking home as much stuff as you brought could be

959
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:17.039
can be daunting. Yes, don't get into it for making money.

960
00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:19.119
Get into it for just you know, because.

961
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:22.840
Get rich and if you do, more power to you. Yeah.

962
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:26.519
Yeah, bro. Like the last year when I went, I

963
00:59:26.559 --> 00:59:30.400
took like maybe I don't know, a dozen T shirts

964
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:34.360
is all I took, you know, and you know you

965
00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:36.639
sell three or four of those, and you're like, all right,

966
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:41.199
that had had I bought twelve in every size and

967
00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:43.480
every design. You know, you can't roll in with four

968
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:46.480
hundred shirts because four hundred people don't care about you

969
00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:46.920
that much.

970
00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:54.320
Uh yep. So yeah, you gotta be it simple, right,

971
00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:58.920
keep it keep it simple. Take that's like books are good, man, yep. Books,

972
00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:03.239
Decals are great. Everybody wants a cheap decal or a magnet.

973
01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:03.719
You know.

974
01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:07.960
It takes a few conventions to learn that stuff.

975
01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:14.519
Man, absolutely agree. Yeah, yeah, man. So the so the

976
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:21.079
last question I always ask folks is the name of

977
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:24.840
the show is broadcasting seeds, and I like the guests

978
01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:29.679
to plant the seed in the audience's mind about whatever.

979
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:34.599
Whatever you want, man, It could be about fatherhood or anything,

980
01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:37.880
literally anything, just plant a seed as long as it

981
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:41.800
you know, it's something that people could plant and harvest later.

982
01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:44.440
Then that's what I like.

983
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:49.480
Absolutely. That doesn't put me on the spot at all,

984
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:55.199
not at all. What the first thing, as you said,

985
01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:57.320
that came to my mind, man, is that we need

986
01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:02.440
to be very generous and for giving and patient with others,

987
01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:08.719
but not with ourselves. We need a lot of discipline,

988
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:12.239
self discipline, right, We need to be hard and strict

989
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:17.880
on ourselves, but very patient and giving with others. That way,

990
01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:21.400
we can treat other people how we want to be treated.

991
01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:24.800
We want to be met with love and forgiveness and mercy.

992
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:30.039
But we don't want to hold ourselves too loose or

993
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:36.079
we won't be very fruitful. Right, So if we practice discipline,

994
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:39.719
and that's in all aspects of our life, man, Like,

995
01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:42.519
there's things we don't want to do. But will it

996
01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:45.920
benefit your family, will it benefit you down the road,

997
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:49.280
will it benefit someone else? Then do that thing.

998
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:49.960
You know.

999
01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:54.840
There's joy in doing that.

1000
01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:55.800
You know.

1001
01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:01.320
You don't have to like sacrifice all of your fun

1002
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:04.079
because you try to live a discipline life. There's a

1003
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:07.639
lot of fun in that. And do I do it

1004
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:08.119
every day?

1005
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:09.719
No, But.

1006
01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:15.360
It's something that we need to be mindful of and

1007
01:02:16.039 --> 01:02:18.159
just as much on being strict on ourselves is to

1008
01:02:18.199 --> 01:02:22.679
be very very tolerant and patient with others. We don't

1009
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:26.679
know what they're battling, we don't know what demonic influence

1010
01:02:26.679 --> 01:02:34.360
that they're under, because they very well may be. But yeah,

1011
01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:36.719
that would be the seed I'd like to plant, is

1012
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.599
to be easy on other people and to be strict

1013
01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:44.320
on ourselves. Yeah, and see how much more fruitful life is.

1014
01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:46.559
For sure. But you also need to look in the

1015
01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:47.400
mirror and be kind.

1016
01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:49.960
Yeah, yeah, there's that point.

1017
01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:53.840
Yeah it is. I know exactly what you're saying, because

1018
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:56.679
you do dumb stuff and you look at yourself in

1019
01:02:56.679 --> 01:02:59.320
the mirror, you're like, man, what you doing? You talk

1020
01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:02.440
to people, you talk to yourself. It's the thing that

1021
01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:07.239
caught me and really hit me whenever I was doing

1022
01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:09.119
this a lot of this self work, and it was

1023
01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:11.880
all part of what this whole book is about, is

1024
01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:17.159
running through some of these things and talking to yourself

1025
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:19.800
the way you would talk to others, because if you

1026
01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:22.360
wouldn't if you talk to your if you talk to

1027
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:24.760
others the way you talk to yourself, you'd have no

1028
01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:25.679
one in your life.

1029
01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:28.599
That's true. So that's very true.

1030
01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:31.679
Can't you just can't talk to yourself that way? It matters?

1031
01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:36.679
Yeah, that That leads me to one more encounter, if

1032
01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:39.480
you don't mind me talking about it, absolutely, this is

1033
01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:44.280
a good one to part on. This was an encounter

1034
01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:47.760
with God that I had a lot of things happened

1035
01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:50.559
to me on the mountain. Okay, when I go hunting,

1036
01:03:50.679 --> 01:03:52.599
I love to hunt. I love to spend time outdoors.

1037
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:57.440
That's where I reach God as often as any church service.

1038
01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:02.800
It's it's been two years now. I think it wasn't

1039
01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:05.039
this last season, but maybe the season before that. I

1040
01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:09.360
was deer hunting and you know, it's dark, you're not

1041
01:04:10.039 --> 01:04:12.760
you know, you can't see anything to be moving around yet,

1042
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:16.559
you know, And I went out there. I didn't didn't

1043
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:19.039
take a ground blind, I didn't go stay where my

1044
01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:20.840
blind is at. I didn't use a tree stand. I

1045
01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:24.719
just found some of these some down trees up on

1046
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:27.239
a bank out of the way, and I tucked down

1047
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:29.119
in behind them so I could see over it, and

1048
01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:31.159
I could shoot over that if if a deer come

1049
01:04:31.239 --> 01:04:33.079
up this little crossing that I was in front of.

1050
01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:39.960
And there's something about total solitude, man, that it gives

1051
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:43.199
you time to think. Right, There's no cell phone service

1052
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:44.880
or anything like that, so it just stays in your

1053
01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:49.360
pocket and it's just you and your mind and the Lord.

1054
01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:55.079
And so I was sitting there, and this goes directly

1055
01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:56.159
into what you were talking about.

1056
01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:56.400
Man.

1057
01:04:57.400 --> 01:05:02.079
I was sitting there and just talking to God and

1058
01:05:02.119 --> 01:05:06.960
started thinking about, you know, if you don't forgive others,

1059
01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:12.960
the Lord won't forgive you. So you start searching, you know,

1060
01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:17.239
who do I need to forgive? And I would think

1061
01:05:17.239 --> 01:05:20.159
about people that I've had some run ins with in

1062
01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:23.400
my life, you know, were people that I love dearly

1063
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:25.519
that just don't seem to feel the same way anymore.

1064
01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:30.000
And you know, I forgive this person, I forgive that person,

1065
01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:32.760
and no, I'm not holding anything against these people. So

1066
01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:34.400
why is this so heavy on my heart?

1067
01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:35.440
Man?

1068
01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:38.760
And then it hit me like a ton of bricks.

1069
01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:46.280
You had to forgive yourself, and bro, I sat there

1070
01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:50.119
and just bawled my eyes out as I thought of

1071
01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:53.360
everything that I have done wrong in my life. Yep,

1072
01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:55.639
and had to forgive myself for it.

1073
01:05:58.639 --> 01:05:59.320
Absolutely.

1074
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:06.599
It's hard, man, but but it's totally necessary. It's very necessary.

1075
01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:09.039
How can we ask God to forgive us if we

1076
01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:14.320
can't forgive us. And you know when I when I

1077
01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:17.800
when I left that hunting trip, you know, I didn't

1078
01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:21.599
didn't get a deer, you know, but what I did

1079
01:06:21.639 --> 01:06:23.679
get up there was so much greater.

1080
01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:25.119
Uh.

1081
01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:26.920
I come off that mountain and changed man.

1082
01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:29.079
And uh.

1083
01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:33.679
So, yeah, what you're saying is very true. You know,

1084
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:35.599
we need to be disciplined, we need to be you know,

1085
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:40.840
be strict in what we do, but forgive ourselves if

1086
01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:44.840
we if we fall win, we fall short. Because if

1087
01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:48.800
it's a win, yeah it's a win, man, but we

1088
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:55.239
have to forgive ourselves. And whatever you're holding on to, gotta.

1089
01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:58.480
Let it go. Yep, got to man, that's where it

1090
01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:03.400
all starts. Brother, Tell everybody where they can find you again.

1091
01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:09.039
Yes, sir, it's the Bump podcast on all podcast platforms.

1092
01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:13.679
It's Apple, Spotify, whatever the other ones are, all of

1093
01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:14.440
them that's on there.

1094
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:18.519
You can find them on many man, there are so many.

1095
01:07:18.760 --> 01:07:20.199
I quit you would try to keep up.

1096
01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:22.679
I just like click all the buttons and I'm like whatever,

1097
01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:27.559
send it to everybody. Yep. Published, yes, exactly.

1098
01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:31.760
Uh, YouTube, TikTok. I'm trying to keep up with that

1099
01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:38.079
for the show as well as my own personal goofiness. Yeah, Instagram, Facebook,

1100
01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:42.519
there's wherever there's social media, and you'll pretty well find

1101
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:45.800
the Bump Podcast if you look for it. Yeah, and

1102
01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:47.800
I put out a new show every week, Thank the Lord.

1103
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:51.880
And yeah, if you have an experience that you'd like

1104
01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:55.039
to share, holler at me at Bump Podcast at gmail

1105
01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:55.679
dot com.

1106
01:07:55.920 --> 01:08:00.559
Absolutely awesome, Well bo, thank you so much for coming on.

1107
01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:03.599
It's fine. It's a pleasure to finally meet you. Yep.

1108
01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:06.719
I enjoyed every second of it.

1109
01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:09.639
Yes, all right, I want to.

1110
01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:14.840
Get you on the show. And uh yeah, all right, man,

1111
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:16.319
all right, all right.

1112
01:08:17.720 --> 01:08:20.319
I grew up with the cold dust sticks to.

1113
01:08:20.359 --> 01:08:29.960
Your name, Ulstone household green bolt, open flames, something in

1114
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:35.359
the hall. I knew my steps by heart radio. Turn

1115
01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:41.880
the cellphone in the shadow, start my mama said, boy off,

1116
01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:44.399
he we you can't see Bude. I changed that old

1117
01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:45.920
head like he was calling me.

1118
01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:47.560
I thought it was a game.

1119
01:08:47.640 --> 01:08:50.439
Thought it me and me. Wait till I learned real quick.

1120
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:53.479
For the doorway, he says, not a nut guy's anything

1121
01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:56.479
on this gout eyes and my talk sweet with a

1122
01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:59.399
serf and smile. I let my questions down in the

1123
01:08:59.479 --> 01:09:02.600
dirty and praised. If you want my boy's lord chicket

1124
01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:08.479
out of the bad, maybe this mine and the altar in

1125
01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:12.039
the mines and the my burn off all my lies.

1126
01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:14.880
I'm done chasing the humbles, done chase and signs, and

1127
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:16.199
one I sold insured.

1128
01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:17.239
That's a wind spring.

1129
01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:20.399
I saw a stand my ground where the darkens the wrong,

1130
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:21.800
where the Bible.

1131
01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:24.399
Of bread and a heart coming home. Yet I was

1132
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:27.600
ho there, Yet I was blind. Now I'm wide away again.

1133
01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:42.560
I'm gonna yours, this time a midnight highway, white live

1134
01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:47.239
run in a green flashboard, like a.

1135
01:09:47.319 --> 01:09:50.439
River through the windshield glass.

1136
01:09:51.560 --> 01:09:53.840
I felt like a door swung open.

1137
01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:59.119
The slam shut and meeting my old man.

1138
01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:07.119
Still then I'm digging where I shouldn't go, talking loud

1139
01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:09.359
the basements like I ran sure, said.

1140
01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:12.199
Use my strength, like I had some ride, and I

1141
01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:12.920
paid for it.

1142
01:10:13.039 --> 01:10:17.560
Every four long damn five course broke down, peace broke loose.

1143
01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:21.359
Every wrong turn found brand new proof that I was

1144
01:10:21.439 --> 01:10:24.560
the steering. I was being stead till mercy found me.

1145
01:10:24.760 --> 01:10:30.600
When the end got ne Ma, this is mine and

1146
01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:34.000
altar in the price that the five bairn off ball

1147
01:10:34.159 --> 01:10:34.840
my eyes.

1148
01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:37.680
Now I'm gonna chasing novels, Donna chase and signs.

1149
01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:39.199
If one I sold you sit.

1150
01:10:39.159 --> 01:10:40.359
That's a winter night.

1151
01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:43.279
So standing on the ground where the darkest the wrong,

1152
01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:46.439
with a bible of breath and a hard coming home. Yeah,

1153
01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:49.039
I was hunted now I was playing.

1154
01:10:49.119 --> 01:10:50.439
Now I'm wide away again.

1155
01:10:50.520 --> 01:11:05.399
I mean yours this time I forgave Unsey cut me.

1156
01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:08.600
He think brother hard his name to set freeze me

1157
01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:11.439
on that mountain, and that broke like a child. And

1158
01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:12.640
you didn't shame me.

1159
01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:14.000
You just stayed awhile.

1160
01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:16.920
So if you're hearing this with your back too.

1161
01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:19.760
The walk and he hair feels heavy like a threaten

1162
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:21.600
no hall, hold on bread.

1163
01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:24.520
Say his name out loud. There's no change in hell

1164
01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:31.319
that he won't pull you out this micking altar in

1165
01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:34.840
a pries. Let the fire burn off on my eyes.

1166
01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:37.640
Out the chasing numbers, done, chasing signs.

1167
01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:40.319
If one loss over his here, that's a wench night.

1168
01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:43.439
So I stay in my ground where the darkys are wrong, with.

1169
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:46.399
A my little breadth and a heart coming over here.

1170
01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:47.800
And I was honted.

1171
01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:49.039
I was downing.

1172
01:11:49.119 --> 01:11:50.439
Now I'm wide awake again.

1173
01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:52.199
I'm yours this time.

1174
01:12:02.359 --> 01:12:09.199
Nder in a bad wid away stail.

1175
01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:12.039
Here sail,