Feb. 5, 2026

Small Town Monsters, Big Questions: Folklore, Witnesses, and the Unknown

Small Town Monsters, Big Questions: Folklore, Witnesses, and the Unknown
Small Town Monsters, Big Questions: Folklore, Witnesses, and the Unknown
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In this episode, Heather Mosier from Small Town Monsters shares her journey into the world of high strangeness, discussing her academic background, experiences with cryptids, and the cultural significance of folklore. She emphasizes the importance of listening to people's stories, the integration of cryptids and paranormal phenomena, and the rise of interest in cryptids in modern culture. Heather also provides insights into the research process behind documentaries and encourages new researchers to maintain an open mindset.

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I haven't seen when it comes to sasquatch, I haven't

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seen a sasquatch. But Seth had one here on my

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property if he was all excited because he saw something,

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and I'm like, awesome, do all things on my property

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right exactly? Like of course this would happen. But we've

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had activity here. I mean, we had enough activity when

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we first moved here that Seth was here to film

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and we did the Bigfoot project. But then things kind

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of tapered off. Stuff did kick back up last spring,

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but weird stuff started happening around here, like hearing the howls.

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Well, hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of Broadcasting Seeds.

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I am your host, Bennettan, and today we have Heather

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Mosure from Small Town Monsters. Plus she does her own thing.

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I'm pretty sure too, right, you know, either way, Heather,

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tell us who you are. I kind of just did that.

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But tell us who you are, what you do, and

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where people can find you.

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Yeah. So my name is Heather Moser. I am a producer, researcher,

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all kinds of things. Really, all of our roles are

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kind of fluid at Small Town Monsters, so I do

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a little bit of everything. Except I don't. Video edit

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Help is a publishing company as well. But yeah, that's

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my that's my main thing is small Town Monsters. I

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do part time work as a professor at Kent State University,

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so I'm not always looking into cryptids and high strangeness,

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although I prefer to. That is my full time job,

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but adding in the classical study stuff for part time

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things here and there.

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Do what you gotta do. And what's the best place

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to find you?

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Oh, well, the best place to find me? Well, obviously,

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if you follow small Town Monsters, you're gonna find me

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somewhere in the mix. I got you. I get on

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certain shows everyone, so sometimes just by a happenstance because

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I'm there. But I mean, we did investigation Bigfoot, and

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I'm on screen for that. Oh there are a few

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other shows that I'm actually on screen for. But then

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every once in a while I just happen to be

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in the background because I'm running around with the camera

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in the back. Gotcha, I'm immediately on set somewhere. Yeah,

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but you can find me there. I'm on Facebook, I'm

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on Instagram, or you can just know me Heather at

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small Town Monsters dot com.

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Awesome so the question I ask every guest that comes on,

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what possessed you? What got you into this world of

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high strangeness.

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I feel like I've kind of always been here for

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as long as I can remember that. I grew up

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watching unsolved mysteries as much as it terrified me in

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certain certain moments, like I grew up horribly afraid of

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spontaneously combusting, you know, that could happen any moment, any moment.

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And burn the bed up, but just the bed, nothing around.

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Exactly. Uh So, growing up with that, with unsolved mysteries,

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as much as it did terrify me, I was very

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much intrigued by it. And my mom told me stories

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of the house that she grew up in being haunted,

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and so ghosts were kind of my intro into the

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world of high strangeness of the bigfoot stuff. When I

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was in elementary school, one of my classmates his family

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had some encounters with Bigfoot, and I remember that being

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talked about. So I guess growing up between ghosts and bigfoot,

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it was always it wasn't so much a discussion of

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if these things exist. It was just they do exist.

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It just is what it is. So I never really

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doubted it, and it always intrigued. When I got into

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high school, that's when the ghost hunting shows started to

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come out, and I was extremely excited by this because

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I didn't know up until that point that you could

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actually go into haunted locations and investigate or anything like that,

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and so I made it a personal goal that someday

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I would go and investigate locations like that. And that

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didn't come to Fruition for several years after that, but yeah,

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it was just something that was always there. And then

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as far as small Town Monsters goes, I grew up

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in a really small town called Carrollton, Ohio, which is

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right adjacent to Minerva, Ohio, which is where the Minerva

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Monster is. And when Seth started Small Town Monsters, the

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first film that he put out was The Minerva Monster. Well,

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both Minerva and Carlton are very small towns. You don't

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get a documentary made about your area without everyone talking

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about it. So it didn't take long before I heard

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that there's a documentary coming about the Minerva Monster. It

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was Bigfoot at this point, you know, Finding Bigfoot was

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a thing that we were watching, so I was super

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excited about it and watch that and then continued to

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kind of follow along with what Seth was doing and

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going to some of for premieres and Canton at the

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Canton Palace Theater and so on, and one of these

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premieres he mentioned that he was going to be doing

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a movie sometime in the future on the Bell Witch

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and I had already been doing my own independent research

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for another project on that, so I reached out to

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him and said, Hey, if you ever need a researcher,

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I would love to help. And that's kind of how

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I got started, because at that point he's like, you know,

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we're going into the historical stuff. It might help to

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have a researcher on board. So I started as as

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a researcher. That was the basic intro, and then it's

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just expounded exponentially beyond that from that point forward.

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So is your background academic? I mean yes, okay, so

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coming from that back in Wow, academic that's what I was.

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So let's say, coming from that academic background, but you

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work with you work in the world of cryptids and

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high strangeness, So how did how do you balance that?

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Like how does that you know?

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What?

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First off, like, what is your academic background? And did

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that have anything to do with it or is it

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just like help with research and stuff.

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Like that, So I am able to use the skills

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that I learned during graduate school or what I do

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research wise. What I went to school for was Latin

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literature and classical studies type things, so the Greek and

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Roman stuff, and every once in a while I can

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find some sort of connection when you get into mythology,

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or my interest was always peaked whenever we would talk

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about cursed tablets, which has nothing to do with cryptids,

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but it's still strange. It all rhymes yeah, and that

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kind of so if I can draw a parallel, I will.

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But I think the biggest asset that I gained from

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going through all of the all of the hoops of

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academia was learning how to properly research and kind of

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verify things a little more, you know, trying the standard,

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which just can't always be the case. But when you

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go into research, especially like old newspaper articles or old

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stories or things like that, it's always helpful if you

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can have that verified by more than one source. If

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you can if there is a story and you can

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find it in multiple places too or more, that helps

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verify a story so you know, little things like that

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or I don't know, it's just it was pounded into

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me so much in undergrad and graduate school on different

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research techniques that it's just become almost second nature now.

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But I definitely recognize that if I hadn't had to

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go through that, then it would have taken me longer

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to get to where I am now.

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Yeah, it's good habits, good habits, right, yeah, yeah, So

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like when you hear stories about Bigfoot or moth man,

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and I know you guys, at some all time monsters

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get just inundated, right, what is your first instinct from

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your background and what you believe? Is it more of

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like a folklore type approach or misidentification, spiritual or even

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something unknown.

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Well, the first thing that comes comes to me when

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somebody comes forward with a story is want to just

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hear them out, hear it in their words, don't ask

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leading questions or anything like that. Just tell me your

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story as fully as you can, with as much detail

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as you can, and we'll go from there. Usually, when

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it comes to a witness being willing to come forward,

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especially if it's their first time talking with someone outside

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of their group, it's extremely helpful to be able to

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tell them, well, you're not the only one that's experienced this,

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and be able to draw examples for them, whether it's

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in something that we've created, or something from a newspaper

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clipping that I have somewhere, or a book that I

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have somewhere, just being able to reference that for them

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so that they don't feel so alone. I'm not really

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in the habit of second guessing anyone for their experience.

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I mean, we've had some people talk to us as

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we're interviewing them, talk about some really wild stuff, and

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you know, whether it actually happened as they recall it

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or not isn't so much my concern as the fact

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that they believe something has happened or something did happen

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to the point that it left this mark on them,

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like something traumatic happened, and maybe their brain manifested a

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sasquatch in front of them because that was the safest

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thing that their brain could do at the time. My

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interest comes into when there's some of these patterns that

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come up throughout time because whether or not somebody's making

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things up. Okay, there are people that make things up

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for attention or whatever, but there are so many people

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throughout millennia that have had similar stories, similar experiences, and

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it's been written down. So to me, that can't be discounted.

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It can't just be thrown out whole cloth like that.

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You know, sasquatches, nothing, what it is, I don't know.

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I don't know when we'll know that, if we ever will.

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But I think there's something into studying who we are

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as humans as to what has caught our attention, what

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stories we've passed down, and why it is still something

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we're so intrigued by.

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Yeah. So, do you think it's more like cryptive encounters

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in general are more about creatures or are they? Do

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you think it's more about like the culture, because you

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get hit with you're just saying that a ton of those

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stories are whack. I mean they are, but it's like, yeah, so,

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is it more about the creature or more about the culture.

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I think that we're kind of bound by what we

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already know or have been exposed to, So in that way,

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culture definitely shapes whatever you're experiencing. Yeah, so, I mean

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Bigfoot is like so many people know Bigfoot, but say

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you live in one area of the country where they

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actually call it a yahoo or whatever. You're going to

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say I saw Yeah, you're going to say I saw

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a Yahoo. You're not going to say sasquatch. But that's

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your method of you know, comparison. So that's influenced by

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your area and your culture and the story. So I

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think that that is definitely part of it. I think

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sometimes that's how we end up with these really weird

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stories when people just don't have a frame of reference

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to fully explain what it is that they've experienced, so

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they'll just well it, I don't know, it was on

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two legs, and it was a mix of a dog

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face or elongate. It's maybe a baboon face, like, you know,

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just all of these things. I mean, how many people.

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I mean there are people, well, I guess who've had

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multiple encounters, but not many have seen a sasquatch multiple

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times to you know, I don't know, or any cryptid

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for that matter. So yeah, I think culture definitely plays

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a plays a part in that for sure. And when

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you look at other cultures, they have their own stories,

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and some of them I'm not super well versed in,

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like the Southeast Pacific, but some of those stories are

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very their Their creatures are very violent and even more

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so than ours. And I think that a lot of

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that has to do with with your culture and the

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way that you were raised. And it does remind me

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of the class that I took in college, where it

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was a world history class. But the way that the

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professor framed it was really intriguing in that he brought

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in these ancient cultures my which were their religions. It

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wasn't just a story to them, you know, their religions,

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and explained how their religions were completely based around what

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was around them. So when you get into some of

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the like ancient Sumeri or whatever, what little we know of,

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it was a very harsh type of belief religiously, but

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where did they live. They lived in a very harsh

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area of the world. There was no forgiving in the

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middle of the desert or during droughts or anything like that.

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our our monsters. It's what is around us, and that

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helped shape kind of what we what we see.

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Yeah, like folklore definitely blends in the culture, So so like,

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what does folklore help us understand that modern people tend

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to ignore?

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can help us understand that is vastly being ignored is

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exactly how similar we all are. That despite where we

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come from or you know what state, what country, whatever,

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there are very many things that are similar as a human.

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And without studying folklore in some of these repetitive parts,

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we can continue to label others, you know, as an

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other and then dismiss them or whatever. And I think

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that that's getting way out of hand.

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Yeah, I think we're really we're really good at that.

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Yeah, I mean we're humans. Yeah, it's our it's it's

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human nature to uh, you know, tribalism and try to

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group up and make those others the other and someone

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that's like non human. And but folklore, folklore can show

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us that there there's a lot of underlying themes that

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we all have, core values that all humans have on

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on a general level.

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Absolutely, So small Town Monsters, I'm going to move into

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that a little bit. Yeah what, because you explained how

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you got involved, but how did you really like? What?

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What's something that people don't realize goes into researching these

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documentaries because let's just call it what they are. I mean,

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I know, like Sescott episodes and documentaries and this. But frankly,

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if you go on they're all doc it's a call

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a documentary type thing. So what what don't people realize

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goes into the researching these things these documentaries.

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Well, first, if it depends on what scenario is thrown

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out for me research wise, If it's thrown out to

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me as we're going to look into dog Man, like

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we want to make a dog Man move of whatever,

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you know this is general, then my first My first

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thing is if you don't have a particular location that

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you're wanting to look into, then I'm trying to find,

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you know, where are there concentrations Because for a documentary,

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as cool as it is to go to more obscure places,

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part of a documentary, at least the way we do

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it is to have witnesses, to have researchers. And if

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you're in an area that has had one sighting and

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there are no researchers in the area, you can't just

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focus on that one thing. It has to be part

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of a broader, a broader thing to keep the documentary going.

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So if I find a case in an isolated area

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that's particularly intriguing for what we're doing, I try to

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find ways to make that connect to other stories a

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little far out or a little further out geographically, so

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that it makes sense for inclusion as a cohesive whole.

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Because sometimes we go in like Dawn of the dog Man,

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for example, there were people that were interviewed their stories.

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Once Seth got into the edit, the stories just didn't

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flow with the general format of the movie. That doesn't

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mean that their stories were less intriguing or anything like that.

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It's just once you get into the edit sometimes things shift. Yea.

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And also sometimes you know Seth, Seth will tell me

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a rough idea of how many interviews he wants for

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each episode movie whatever. I like to overplan because the

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inevitably something goes wrong, whether like, for example, we had

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this big shoot planned last week. It was one of

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the biggest ones we'd had in a good while, and

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a massive winter storm came in and we were not

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able to I mean, we couldn't cancel everything. It just wasn't.

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This had been planned for months. Plane tickets had been bought,

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non refundable, I mean, Airbnb's car rentals, all of that

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was ready, and so we had to pivot last minute

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because what we planned to do, we would have been

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stuck longer than we were. We ended up snowed in

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in Indianapolis, but originally we would have been stuck in

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ice in Kentucky or something like. We had to pivot

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everything and that's extremely stressful to do last minute. So

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I try to over overplan when I can. If that

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means getting a few more interviews in, then I look

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at it as if we don't use them now, we

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will find something where their story fits in later, Like

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it's it's inevitable at some point down the line we'll

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be able to use sterial. Yeah, exactly, awesome.

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What is the most fascinating case that you've worked with

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small town monsters?

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Like?

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What comes to mind? I know you've probably got a bunch.

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But well, most fascinating cases, it's always a constant rotation

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of them through my mind. One of my most memorable

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interviews that we did was with Martin Groves. It was

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his first inner view of him talking about his story.

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I know he's he's out a lot now. You know,

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he's been out there, he shared his story, he's written

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books and and I'm so happy for him, But when

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he first came out, it was a very nerve wracking thing.

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And that has always left its impression on me. It's

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other stories, like when we went out to Colorado to

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film Night Visitors. We went to the Miller's ranch and

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they were talking about cattle mutilations on their property, which

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you know, that's upsetting obviously, it's a loss of money

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for one, a loss of money and time and a

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concerning thing. But when they start talking about other odd

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things happening on their property, that gets my attention to

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because I remember Sally talking about red like orbs or

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eyes in the windows, and that has nothing to do

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with cattle mutilations. Usually it's not I don't know when

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she would talk about other things. You get a when

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a bunch of stuff comes together, like the paranormal kind

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of mixes with crypted stuff. That's whenever I'm like, oh,

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extra intrigued right now, it's yeah, exactly, So wow, So.

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Why do you why do you think humans always tell

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these stories about monsters? Like what where does this?

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Like?

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Where does this come? You know? Like seriously, I because

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you're in it, man, Like, I mean, I deal with

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a lot of it. But you guys just get you

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probably forgot more than I than I do, you know,

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So I just said, where does this all come from?

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Like what it? Like, give me your thoughts, like crypted

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cryptid lengs. The legends like they do they serve as warnings?

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Are they just metaphors something else? You know?

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Yeah, I definitely think when we're just talking about stories,

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ones that we don't necessarily have a face too, because

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I wouldn't say to a friend who's had a sasquatch

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encounter that, well, that's a warning, you know, that's that's

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your brain just saying don't go in the woods. Like.

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But I think that as humans, we've definitely created stories

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of monsters to explain things that we don't otherwise understand

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or create, you know, create warnings, particularly for children to

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not you know, don't venture over on the ice, don't

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go too close to the water. There's a monster there,

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don't go into the woods after dark there.

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Could yeah, you know, don't do this.

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Yeah yeah, things like that. But I think some of

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it all so it does absolutely come down to us

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trying to understand things that we don't quite understand. Yeah,

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So that's one where I can fall back on classical studies.

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You know, we had myths of a dude in a

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chariot going across the sky, and that was our explanation

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for the sun. Yes, and we just needed things to

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make sense. So I think we come up with stories

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one to make sense to some things that might otherwise

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not make sense to us. And also we're just humans

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are natural storytellers. So if it's a good story and

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you're just sitting around the fire with your friends, I

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think that that also gives it credence to keep being told,

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you know, year after year, time after time.

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Of course, have you ever had an encounter?

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Yeah, so I haven't seen when it comes to sasquatch,

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I haven't seen a sasquatch.

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No like class aciting.

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Yeah, no class a sighting for me. Seth had one

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here on my property, but I was not with him

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at the time. I was at the house with the

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children and they were out shooting b roll And then

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when he got back to the house, he was all

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excited because he saw something, and I'm like, awesome, I

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wasn't there. Yeah, of course you did, I have on

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my property right exactly. I'm like, of course this would happen.

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But we've had activity here. I mean, we had enough

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activity when we first moved here that Seth was here

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to film, and we did the Bigfoot Project, but then

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things kind of tapered off. Stuff did kick back up

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last spring, which it kills me to say last spring

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because I can't believe it's twenty twenty.

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Six, but I know it's wild.

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Last spring around March, stuff started happening again. And it

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had been a lull of I don't know, I think

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it was like three years or so since anything really

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had happened, but weird stuff started happening around here, like

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hearing the howls. I was holding out audio.

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Episode like you guys property, Yeah, the I feel like

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most I feel like I was there something with power

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lines on your property, Like.

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There is a power line that goes through the property.

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Where Stef had his sighting was like a clear cut area.

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Yeah, and like something zoomed across right, Yeah.

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And he jumped off the gator. Yeah yeah, Okay, Yeah,

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that was all here.

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Clarify some things. Wow, of course.

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That was all here. But yeah, weird things have happened

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here that I would it was something. I mean, it's

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one of those things where when we were filming, and

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this is in episode one of the Bigfoot Project, but

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we were at the back cabin, the kids had been

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back there playing while we were doing stuff. When they

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were in the cabin, Seth and I had wandered into

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the woods to start doing some like night investigation stuff,

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and my husband stayed back at the cabin while Seth

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and I were out. We heard things running around us.

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Something threw rocks at us. There was activity like something

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at least I would say too. Some things were running

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around us and messing with us. We'd turn one way

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and then it would run behind us. But while that's happening,

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my husband is out on the porch of the hunting

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cabin and he's hearing something walk up to the back

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of the cabin, heavy, large, and he was not happy

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with that whenever he said something because he thought it

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was us and it wasn't us. We were nowhere near him,

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and then he got you know, I guess protective because

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there's kids in the cab, and then what is this?

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You know what's happening. But even he's had these experiences

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where he's like, yeah, something was there and around here.

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It would be really dumb for a person to be

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doing that for multitude of reasons, but it was just

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things like that have have occurred this last spring when

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stuff started up. I was putting an audio recorder out

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and caught something on two feet walk into the barn.

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You can hear it walk in. You can hear it

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like tap on the four wheeler that's where I had

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set the recorder. You hear it just tap tip tap

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tap tap. You hear it starts shaking off. You hear

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it like huff and sniff, and then eventually it walks

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back out and I'm like, okay, Well, the barn is

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not that far from the house, so that had me unnerved.

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When we did the Bigfoot project. That's clear on the

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back side of the property. That's not anywhere near the house.

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So if they want to hang out back there, fine, yeah.

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But shortly after I had recorded all that stuff in

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the barn, it was just I don't know, not even

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a week later, probably my kids were playing in the

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living room. My husband and I were on the other

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side of the house. They come flying over to us

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panicked because as they were playing the living room, something

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knocked on the window, and so I immediately went outside

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flip the lights on. I didn't see anything, but I

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went out the next morning and checked for like, you know,

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prints or anything. I didn't see anything. But that kind

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of stuff was unnerving because I'm like, all right, well,

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you're getting kind of close, like too close at this point,

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whatever you are, And I would that's also at a

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point where I'm like, I hope it's a big foot

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because if it's a person, that's worse. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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How is that? But that's how we feel. I know,

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like if I'm walking through the woods and I see

462
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:25.880
a person, I'm like, oh, that's not good.

463
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:36.240
Yeah, well that makes sense should be there, right, So wild,

464
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:39.240
absolutely wild.

465
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:41.400
So do you do you think you brought it up

466
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.799
a little earlier? There's sometimes a little crossover, But do

467
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.359
you think cryptids belong in the same category as like

468
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.359
paranormal phenomenon or are they separate worlds.

469
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:57.400
I am of the belief that we will never have

470
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.480
a full answer of any of this if we don't

471
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:02.160
integrate those worlds.

472
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:05.680
Yeah, right, And they're so partitioned and siloed. You're like,

473
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:09.359
I didn't want to be that. I don't want it

474
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:09.960
to be like that.

475
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:14.200
When you start accumulating all of this info and and

476
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:16.960
I mean bring in the UFO people to like bring

477
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.480
it all in, lay it all out, see where things

478
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:23.640
overlap and we might be closer to send the answers,

479
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:27.799
but right now it is it is so partitioned. Like

480
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:32.400
even in the communities. I mean I have friends that

481
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:36.319
are in the paranormal community. They have their own thing

482
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:40.920
going on, their own groups, their own drama, you know whatever.

483
00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:45.480
We have that in the cryptive community too, and then

484
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:48.519
the UFO people are off on their own thing. There

485
00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:52.400
are a few that do the crossover stuff, but it's

486
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.000
it's not nearly as many people as as should be.

487
00:32:56.839 --> 00:33:00.119
I try, like I really do dabble, and I have

488
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:03.359
good friends and all of them, and it's like, but

489
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:07.079
I found see this whole thing started as a like

490
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:12.519
a sasquatch podcast. Yeah, just because I was like, you

491
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:16.759
know what, I just got to do something and then

492
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:21.440
if anything, now unfortunately it's not unfortunate. It's how I feel,

493
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:25.440
but it's how it is. It's like it all rhymes

494
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:29.559
so much, and that this whole podcast has become almost

495
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:36.000
like mythology, biblical folkal or based because that's where it

496
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.880
all starts and that's where it all comes together, right,

497
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:42.519
And so it's like, you got we can't just silo

498
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:46.279
ourselves off. And I understand why people do that. But

499
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:49.279
I think they're I think they're missing out.

500
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:54.720
Yeah, I think so too. I completely understand there are

501
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:58.799
people in the Sasquatch community that are like, listen, this

502
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:02.640
is flesh and blood. Yeah, and I you know, maybe

503
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:06.400
they're right. I understand why they say the things they do.

504
00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:10.039
I mean, if we're finding nests and we're finding physical footprints,

505
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:12.519
and we're finding hair, and you know, since people are

506
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:16.960
seeing what appears to be a physical creature, Okay, that

507
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:20.920
may be, but then what is this other part? Yeah

508
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:24.199
it may not even be the same thing. Yeah, it

509
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:26.719
may be it's something else entirely. Maybe it's a whole

510
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:34.000
other phenomenon that's just masking as whatever. But until we

511
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:38.119
start all communicating and talking and sharing notes, then I

512
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:42.320
don't think that we'll get anywhere. It's like when researchers,

513
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:48.599
for example, people that take reports, if they're too vocal

514
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:52.599
in their opinion one way or the other, then that

515
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:55.719
hinders the stories that they're going to get. They kind

516
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:59.559
of create their own picture. Yeah, people will come and

517
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.159
tell them the stuff that maybe falls into a realm

518
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:06.199
of physical but then leave out the really weird stuff

519
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:10.159
because they already know that the researcher isn't interested in it,

520
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:12.079
or maybe they do tell the researcher and the researcher

521
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:16.360
doesn't even write it down and then it's lost when

522
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:18.880
it could have been something helpful for someone else later.

523
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:23.159
I don't. Yeah, I just find that the more I

524
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:25.840
dive into all this stuff and the more research that

525
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:34.400
I do on my own, the more the supernatural. Just

526
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:41.079
the lines blur between folklore and spiritual warfare for me constantly,

527
00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:45.679
and I've just had too many. And I wouldn't say

528
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:47.639
I've had too many. I just have had a few

529
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:54.400
instances and experiences myself that are what I would say sasquatch.

530
00:35:54.719 --> 00:36:01.119
But they're straight up supernatural, like there's no ifans or yea,

531
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:05.920
like you know, just phenomenon that don't happen Otherwise they're

532
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:09.159
more paranormal, like the like sapping of batteries and E

533
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:14.639
MF stuff and things like that, like come on. So yeah, uh,

534
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:18.599
I mean I get to a point now where I'm like,

535
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:21.960
is there even a line between folklore and spiritual warfare?

536
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.079
There just isn't for me, not anymore.

537
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:30.679
So, Yeah, So how do you balance being like would

538
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:36.519
you say you're intellectually grounded yeah, sure, yeah, sure, yeah,

539
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:42.679
but you know so it's but that balance between being

540
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:48.519
intellectually grounded while exploring topics, right.

541
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:51.480
That often get dismissed like how do we how do

542
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:54.719
you do that? How do how do we as researchers

543
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.880
do that? Even though we might have our beliefs, right,

544
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:03.639
it's just going through the emotions. It's that research switch, right,

545
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:08.840
so stand rounded, but yet exploring topics that are anything

546
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:10.159
but freaking grounded.

547
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:16.960
Yeah. Well that was another one that I think. I mean,

548
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:19.920
it's been long enough now that I don't know what

549
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.440
I would have been like prior to this, but one

550
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:28.800
thing that had been again just forcefully discussed in my

551
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:35.280
undergrad was that you can't, especially like with ancient cultures,

552
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:38.199
you can't come in with your own bias and properly

553
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:43.760
study something because you're painting a picture from your vantage point.

554
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:47.719
But that is not how they lived, you know, especially

555
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:49.840
ancient People's not how they lived, it's not how they believe.

556
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:55.400
You have to be completely on your you know, non

557
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:59.280
biased game here. And I feel like that also applies

558
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:04.960
to witnesses. Talking to witnesses getting these stories. You can't

559
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:08.360
I can't come in and say, well, you know, clearly

560
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:11.320
that person was just having a really bad day and

561
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.039
just made up this story for whatever reason. I don't know.

562
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:20.119
That's not me. It's not my job to figure out that,

563
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:25.480
you know. So I think it is literally like a

564
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:32.400
switch where it's okay, I am not coming up with

565
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:35.480
any conclusions right now. I'm just listening. And then if

566
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:39.599
I can find parallels with other things, awesome for their

567
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:43.119
sake and mine, Like story wise, if I'm coming, you know,

568
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:45.360
trying to help with a documentary, come together or whatever,

569
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:48.519
but even better for them if I can say you're

570
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:51.159
not the only one. I have ten other stories I

571
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:53.920
can tell you from people that I've talked to, or

572
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:56.760
you can turn on YouTube and watch right now, you

573
00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:00.920
know whatever. Yeah, And I think that that's that's the

574
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:06.239
biggest takeaway for me. I don't I don't want people

575
00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:11.079
to ever feel alone. That's like one of the worst

576
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:14.679
feelings I've felt that and it is a bad place

577
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.840
to be. And if I can help someone feel less

578
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.360
alone or at least heard, then I feel like I've

579
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:21.760
done my.

580
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:24.000
Job, especially about this stuff.

581
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:25.519
Yeah, exactly.

582
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:31.800
Yeah, because I'm the crazy person I am. I am

583
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:36.360
for sure, and I'd just like to find other crazy

584
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:39.360
people that don't make me feel so crazy.

585
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:40.719
Right, there you go.

586
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:45.559
So, what's the one legend or like or creature that

587
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:52.400
still genuinely unsettles you, or even is there one? The

588
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:52.960
when to Go?

589
00:39:55.199 --> 00:40:02.719
Why the when to Go is unsettling for me? I

590
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:08.639
think partially because of well, one, the idea that one

591
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:12.880
becomes a one to go because they are so emaciated

592
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:16.239
that they have no choice but to eat human flesh.

593
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:20.280
That's terrifying. Yeah, so the transition is horrifying. But the

594
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:28.880
creature itself is just scary. This it's almost zombie like

595
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:31.800
an appearance if you go by the traditional appearance. I

596
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:32.719
hate zombies.

597
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.800
Are you? Are you antlers? When the go person or

598
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:36.960
a non ountly.

599
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.239
I think they look cooler with the antlers.

600
00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:42.880
I think they do too, But.

601
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:45.559
But I understand that that's new. I understand that's not traditional,

602
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:53.840
but I don't know. It's just the mimicking of voices, sounds,

603
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:58.320
things like that break me out a lot. Yeah, that's

604
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:00.639
that's the kind of stuff that really breaks me out

605
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:03.119
that so I think that that's part of the reason

606
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:07.000
when to Go is scary for me. Is the idea

607
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.519
that you could hear a familiar voice in it not

608
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:13.599
be who you think it is. I would also say

609
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:19.599
that dog Man is terrifying, and that's well, it's a

610
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:22.639
huge dog. And dogs scare me anyway, like large dogs

611
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:24.480
scare me. So to think of like an eight foot

612
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:29.079
tall dog that really does want to kill me, yeah, No.

613
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:37.000
Goat man also terrifying thought, and I don't I don't

614
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.679
like goats either. Their eyes are weird.

615
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:46.400
That's amazing they are.

616
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:48.840
Yeah. So, and then to think of one that's like

617
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:51.920
standing up right, you know, holding an ax or whatever.

618
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:57.079
I guess, just these things that shouldn't exist, Like that's

619
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:02.599
a scary thing, like Bigfoot. It's unerving just because we're

620
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:05.519
told that something like that shouldn't exist, but we can

621
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:09.519
at least find a thread of commonality where it could exist, right,

622
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:13.559
Like it that it could exist. These other things, well.

623
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:16.960
There was something like it in the fossil record, whereas

624
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:20.719
like the dog Man, there's lots of stories, but there's

625
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:24.239
nothing fossil record wise that they've been like here's a

626
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:26.840
upright walking dog.

627
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:32.599
Yeah. So the things that really are the definition of

628
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:37.239
a monstrosity, this hybrid stuff that's unnerving to me.

629
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:41.639
So what about rakes and wendygo. Do you think they're related.

630
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:44.599
Do you think they might be the same thing, because

631
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:47.920
rakes are more of a modern thing. But I think

632
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:52.280
they're just I think they've always been around. I just

633
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.639
think it's it's a new something different, you know what

634
00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:56.000
I mean.

635
00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:00.519
Yeah, yeah, the idea of the rake. You said, it's

636
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:02.480
more of a modern thing. I haven't heard the term

637
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:06.119
rake until like within the last ten years, I think, yeah,

638
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:08.639
whenever I started to hear that term. But when you

639
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:13.280
describe it, it is like a I don't know, a

640
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:17.559
crawler like it of some sort. Yeah, shifts about it.

641
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:19.480
To me, it sounds like it would be different than

642
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:20.079
a when to Go.

643
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:23.800
I mean, they've got kind of the same look though

644
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:26.480
maybe when they stand up.

645
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:31.519
I mean, yeah, yeah, but I don't usually, at least

646
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:34.599
from what I have read about the wind to Go,

647
00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:36.840
one of the primary things they don't talk about is

648
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:41.199
the crawling thing. Yeah, that's the unsettling part.

649
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.280
It is a wild so all right, So when you

650
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:50.519
were filming an Allegheny National Forest and there's that camp

651
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:55.000
site where you guys were walking around where it had

652
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:56.760
like the road that went in and then it came

653
00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:58.920
to that berm and beyond that it was just like

654
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:02.280
you couldn't ride or you could ride down there like

655
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:05.199
in four wheelers and stuff that you couldn't drive. And

656
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:07.119
it was the big open area and there was the

657
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:12.239
fire pit that everyone was down by. Right, there's a campsite.

658
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:14.760
As you're coming into that, there's a campsite where you

659
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:19.119
go over a little bridge in the river. There's a

660
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:23.079
river that's right there. There's a campsite right there. We

661
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:26.639
have a trail camp picture of a rake standing next

662
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:30.000
to a tent. Really, yeah, I'll send it to you.

663
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.920
It's wild. The arms are like down to its knees.

664
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.760
It's so we always joke, especially Jeff and I that

665
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:41.760
because I will set up on the side closest where

666
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:44.519
I always set up, set up on the side closest

667
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:48.880
to that campsite and in our campsite, and so they

668
00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:50.159
always call me rake bait.

669
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:59.920
Well, but yeah, I mean, I guess right, So that's interesting.

670
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.960
That makes me like things like that where it doesn't

671
00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:06.559
seem like it should quite fit, right. I wonder what

672
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:08.719
the history is of that land.

673
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:12.480
Yes, And there's like this weird cabin right by there,

674
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:17.079
and there's there's all the flowing water that comes through

675
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:21.519
and there's just some weird, really wacky stuff like right

676
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:24.119
where you guys were. Yeah, and I don't know if

677
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:28.679
you guys talked about it or not, but it's just wild.

678
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:32.599
Yeah. We didn't get to spend as much time as

679
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:35.119
we would have liked. It would have been cool if

680
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:37.599
we could have stayed a little later. What we didn't

681
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:40.000
have with us at the time. Where is the best

682
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:41.599
night vision.

683
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:44.599
Stuff with understanding?

684
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:48.800
But yeah, that seemed like a pretty i mean a

685
00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:50.400
very remote area.

686
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:53.320
Yeah, and we love it. It's one of those things

687
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:55.840
that every time we got every time I've been there,

688
00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:56.760
I've had some.

689
00:45:56.599 --> 00:45:59.320
Sort of encounter almost a good place.

690
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:17.639
Yeah, almost every single time. Wild. But anyway, let me think, so,

691
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:21.440
why do you think right now? Like why right now?

692
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:26.320
Like a cryptids and like conspira I'll call it conspiratorial folklore.

693
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:31.360
This is a term I've started using. Are exploding right

694
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:34.239
now in modern culture because they really are?

695
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:35.440
M hm.

696
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:40.400
Are we just bored? Or it is something going on?

697
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:42.400
Something happening?

698
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:48.039
Well, I think when it comes to Bigfoot, there was

699
00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:51.679
a huge explosion when finding Bigfoot came out. Of course,

700
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:56.519
I guess undeniable as far as I'm concerned. That had

701
00:46:56.519 --> 00:47:02.679
an impact on what's widely and more widely accepted now

702
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:06.679
and brought more people into the community. I think the

703
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:16.920
COVID shutdown also helped because it pushed people outside. Yeah, exactly.

704
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:20.320
It pushed people out and exploring nature and kind of

705
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:25.760
you know, brought them back to where we were once

706
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:32.480
without so many electronics and distractions, and I think it

707
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:35.480
allowed us to slow down. It was like a forced

708
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:40.840
pause in a way, and I think that that that helped.

709
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:49.840
I think sometimes as things get more divisive and heated

710
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:54.960
in the world, that things like this can serve as

711
00:47:54.960 --> 00:48:01.000
a form of escapism and that helps attract people like, hey,

712
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:03.559
let's not think about all that chaos right now, Let's

713
00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:05.360
just let's hang out this weekend in the woods.

714
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:08.039
You know, let's stop playing video games, right yeah.

715
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:12.199
Let's see what happens. I think it's a lot of

716
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:16.960
things at once, but also just those little chips that

717
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:21.800
have been coming away at the taboo nature of this,

718
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:25.519
like making Bigfoot a more acceptable thing to talk about,

719
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:30.159
where he's in commercials. Now we have countless shows about him.

720
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:33.239
It's more of a pop culture thing. Has allowed more

721
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:37.880
people to be confident to come forward with their experiences.

722
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:41.800
I don't know is if I mean, I guess the

723
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:43.679
more people you have out there, you have to have

724
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.239
a person to have an encounter, so you're going to

725
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:48.360
have more encounters. But I think as far as the

726
00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:51.599
people that have had encounters in the past, that hasn't

727
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:55.119
I mean, they've had those encounters, that hasn't changed. They're

728
00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:59.920
just more comfortable coming forward now. It's more acceptable.

729
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:07.519
For sure, I would agree. So, I mean you sort

730
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:11.440
of touched on this, but are people searching for wonder

731
00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:15.440
or searching for truth that maybe like institutions can't provide,

732
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:18.599
Like they're kind of sick of being lied to, you know,

733
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:22.639
and yeah, they're like, Okay, well, if you're not going

734
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:26.039
to do some you know, disclosure about this or that,

735
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:28.639
we're just going to go find it. And it's going

736
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:31.599
to be easy, don't you know. Don't you know, We're

737
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:34.119
just going to take our night vision out to the

738
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:35.800
woods and we're going to find it. Right.

739
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:36.199
Yeah.

740
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:40.119
These people are just ridiculous. Yeah right, I know what

741
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:42.960
I'm saying. They look at us like we're ridiculous until

742
00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:44.000
they get out there and they're like.

743
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:49.480
Oh no, mm hmmm exactly. I think it's both who

744
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:53.880
doesn't want to live in a world where there's stuff

745
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:58.440
that could be supernatural and we can't fully explain. And

746
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:01.480
how cool is that? Yeah, they're monsters out there as

747
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:03.039
long as you're not thinking about the eating you or

748
00:50:03.079 --> 00:50:06.280
something like. It's yeah, there's there's these other creatures, you know,

749
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:11.760
and the dog man. Yeah, yeah, it's cool. It adds

750
00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:17.480
some magic to a world that is not as magical

751
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:19.679
at the moment unless you go looking for it.

752
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:20.800
Yeah.

753
00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:27.079
I think that there's also the sense of no one

754
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:28.920
is going to be able to provide an answer for

755
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:31.719
me unless I figure it out myself, like I have

756
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:34.159
to have the experience. There are the of course, the

757
00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:37.199
people that have had their encounters and that has driven

758
00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:41.519
them fully into this field. They know what they've seen,

759
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:44.960
they know what they've seen, but they don't know what

760
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:48.480
it is, I guess if that makes sense, And so

761
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:51.920
they're wanting to see it again. They're wanting to figure

762
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:54.920
out what what is it that's constantly on their mind

763
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:56.840
or that they dream about every night, you know, that

764
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.639
was so traumatic or maybe exciting or whatever. They want

765
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:05.239
to have that answer, and nothing else is going to

766
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:08.159
give them that answer right now. It's not like the

767
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:13.679
government's gonna tomorrow say yeah, it's what's real. We've got

768
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:17.679
a body. Yeah, I mean, we can hope. But I

769
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:21.280
feel I feel like if something like that were to happen,

770
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:22.800
it would be like, Okay, well why are you telling

771
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:24.400
us this now? What else is going on?

772
00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:29.199
Like what what's going on back here? Because yeah, yeah.

773
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:32.800
Yeah, yeah. I feel like sometimes that that happens with

774
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:36.199
parts of disclosure. It's like look over here while other

775
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:41.239
things happen back here. But yeah, I don't think that

776
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:44.960
we're going to have a concrete answer. And maybe the

777
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:47.519
things that each person is seeking is they're not the

778
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:52.639
same thing like some people are. They want scientific they

779
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:56.280
want scientists to find a body to verify that this

780
00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:58.480
is true. The flesh and blood people like this is

781
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:02.440
a thing. But the people that know that it's not

782
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:05.199
or feel that they know that it's not just flesh

783
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:07.760
and blood. That's not the answer they're looking for. They're

784
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.000
looking for something else entirely. And how do you prove

785
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:13.800
that if you can't have empirical evidence. It's kind of

786
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:17.840
your own measuring stick is to yeah, what can be

787
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:19.880
proven for sure?

788
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:25.719
So if someone is just starting their journey into like

789
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:32.880
folkal or cryptids. What what's the best in your opinion, like,

790
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:34.400
what's the best mindset to have?

791
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:46.360
I think the best mindset is an open one, an

792
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:50.320
open one and one that's willing to listen. Go talk

793
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:55.280
to people, especially older people. Get these stories now before

794
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:58.679
they're gone. Listen to it, you know, write it down,

795
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:03.119
record it, and and just let them tell their story.

796
00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:05.480
You don't need to put your two cents in on it.

797
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:09.079
Just write it as is so you have it. So

798
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:12.119
then later if you want to compare, if you want

799
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:14.119
to do some study on it and put in your

800
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:17.800
your own opinion, that's fine, But at first, just listen,

801
00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:22.880
just write it down, just have the open mindset and

802
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:25.239
and go about it that way. And then don't be

803
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:32.320
afraid to go out in the woods. Get out there

804
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:38.599
see if anything happens. Yeah, don't go alone. Yeah, so

805
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:42.719
you'll do that, but you know, get a group, go

806
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:44.599
out in the woods. You don't have to go camping,

807
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:46.800
you don't have to sleep on the ground. Just go

808
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:49.760
walk in the woods for a little bit. See see

809
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:53.400
you know, notice what you hear, what you feel, smell

810
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:57.400
all of that and start to kind of reconnect a

811
00:53:57.400 --> 00:53:57.840
little bit.

812
00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:01.880
Yeah. Yeah, like the people that two of the people

813
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:04.719
that you met, Jeff and Julie Anderson, they don't. They

814
00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:08.480
very rarely stay on the woods. They do from time

815
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:11.320
to time, but they mainly because they live right there.

816
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:14.840
They get in the car and drive around all those

817
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:18.719
fire roads Like, oh my gosh, I'm so jealous, Like, yeah,

818
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:21.039
can I you know, this is what I want to

819
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:24.039
do in my pastime. Hey, after dinner, you want to

820
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:27.920
go drive around a bit. Next thing, you know, stuff's

821
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:32.719
getting thrown at them and so cool. But well, yeah,

822
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:36.199
so what projects are you guys working on right now

823
00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:38.119
that people should keep an eye out for.

824
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:43.760
Well, the big thing this month is that our kickstarter

825
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:52.360
and that's going like five days, right, Yeah, it's Thursday.

826
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:57.400
It starts at seven o'clock and then we'll go about

827
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:03.079
thirty days, I believe. So that's that's a big thing.

828
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:05.840
That's going to be our focus because it's a it's

829
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:12.000
a huge deal. We survive because people support us, like

830
00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:17.559
that's how it exists. But with that, we've started filming

831
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:22.239
for some of the projects that are attached to our kickstarter.

832
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:28.039
So last week we were out filming part of UH

833
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:33.159
season two of On the Trail of UFOs, which we

834
00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:40.480
did season one like it was right before the COVID shutdown. Yeah,

835
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:43.079
since then, there's been on the trailer UFOs, but they

836
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:47.679
were in movie format, not episodic format. So we're coming

837
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:51.000
back to the episodic format. But we were filming that,

838
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:53.639
we did film a little bit of dog Man Legacy.

839
00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:58.800
We were in Defiance talking about the Defiance where Wolf's

840
00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:02.000
here in Ohio, and there'll be lots of other things

841
00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:05.280
we'll cover then, but that was when we started on

842
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:10.079
There's gonna be a Journey to Ape Island, which will

843
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:17.559
be Alexander Pettakovs look at things. And then we're gonna

844
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:23.320
have Sasquatch Factor, which will be another episodic series. That's

845
00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:28.519
I don't know how to explain it other than I

846
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:31.320
feel like it's going to be one of the broadest

847
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:36.599
reaching projects that we've done. The goal is to cover

848
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:44.599
places all over the United States, the researchers, the evidence, witnesses,

849
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:48.920
all of it is as much as we can. So

850
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:51.360
those are the four big things this year, and that's

851
00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:54.440
and that's tied to the Kickstarter, But beyond that, I mean,

852
00:56:55.039 --> 00:57:02.800
we've always got stuff going on YouTube. Yeah, yeah, just

853
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:07.360
this week, Courtney and I are going out. We're going

854
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:12.440
out to get interviews on Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday for

855
00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:16.199
various projects, just ones that are somewhat local, you know,

856
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:18.679
just a couple hours drive or whatever, like day trips.

857
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:22.119
Trying to gather stuff so we can teaece things together

858
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:26.000
because stuff like on the trail of UFOs we can't.

859
00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:28.039
Even if we wanted to, we wouldn't have been able

860
00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:32.440
to film it all in this last shoot, but we

861
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:35.880
certainly couldn't with the snowstorm coming in and wrecking half

862
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:36.960
of the plans we had.

863
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:42.159
I thought I saw a bunch of sas social media hosts,

864
00:57:42.199 --> 00:57:46.559
and you guys are just playing games and doing whatever,

865
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:48.239
just trying to stay busy. Yeah.

866
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:52.320
Yeah, yeah. It was a lot of being bundled up

867
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:57.679
and actually experiencing, like when we did have to go outside,

868
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:02.159
experiencing the cold that actually stings your face.

869
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:07.599
Oh yeah, I was here this morning. Ate it.

870
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:10.280
Yeah, the wind was the worst part. I mean it

871
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:12.639
was cold anyway, but when that wind would whip through there,

872
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:17.159
it was it was so much worse awful.

873
00:58:18.119 --> 00:58:21.639
So I like to wrap up every episode with this

874
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:26.199
is called broadcasting seeds, and I that's what I do,

875
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:29.000
is I like to plant seeds in people's minds, right,

876
00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:32.480
So I like to allow the guests to plant seed.

877
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:43.880
There'd be anything anything, you know, parenting tips, whatever, it

878
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:46.800
doesn't matter. I'm just saying it could be anything.

879
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:57.960
Well, I would say that my seed would be along

880
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:01.239
the same lines of what we've mentioned throughout the show,

881
00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:07.360
and that when you hear a story, listen and take

882
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:14.400
it in before you have any conclusions, and then after that,

883
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:20.360
if you have clarifying questions, that's fine, but look at

884
00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:25.119
a broader picture. When you get these stories, is there

885
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:29.679
something about that area that may trigger something like this

886
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:35.320
to occur? Look deeper than just the surface level. Go

887
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:41.280
through newspaper archives, start going through land records. See what

888
00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:44.199
you can find about what was there before we were,

889
00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:49.920
and see if there's anything you can kick up from there.

890
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:57.119
Absolutely where tell where people where they can find you

891
00:59:57.159 --> 00:59:58.599
guys again.

892
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:02.519
Small town dot com. You can find us on YouTube,

893
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:09.119
you can find us on Kickstarter, you can Yeah, we're

894
01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:12.880
on all the social media stuff, so you can find

895
01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:17.800
me on Facebook and Instagram, and you can email me

896
01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:21.760
Heather at small Townhousters dot com.

897
01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:25.880
Awesome, all right, Heather, thank you so much for coming on.

898
01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:27.559
Thanks for having me.

899
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:33.039
Absolutely well over there, tune in clothes, broadcast and see

900
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:37.079
it's on the line. Guy, have the mousa and the

901
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:42.039
mixed small town monsters chasing signs, She said her else,

902
01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:46.320
stay fluid, always ship producer, research wherever they need.

903
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:48.679
Professor on the side.

904
01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:52.039
But in her malls you read her hunt the strange. Indeed,

905
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:53.400
these old.

906
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:58.159
Roads, old story so still ay. When the daylight face.

907
01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:02.320
And a weed if the headline and from mark that

908
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:07.199
the world tilly, if you listen before you label, you

909
01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:11.920
learn before you fight, you'll find. Small town bosses ain't

910
01:01:11.960 --> 01:01:20.039
always feared. Some time they're inside runs of mysteries. Kiddy

911
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:25.360
shook goose talk handed down like truth. They fo stories

912
01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:29.119
and the schoolyard. So it wasn't if it was proof,

913
01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:32.199
they say, made my nerve on the screen.

914
01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:33.679
Small town's talking.

915
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:37.719
Now reached out the os research, gut me in the door.

916
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:39.280
Now I'm in the field.

917
01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:45.320
No doubt, these old road, old story still wait. When

918
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:49.760
a daylight fade and a weird ain't just a headline.

919
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:52.559
And some marred that the world still leaves.

920
01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:57.760
If you listen before you leave, or if you learn before.

921
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:01.440
You fight, you'll fight. Small town officers ain't all its fire.

922
01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:33.760
Sometimes they're inside. Yeah, do you lady stay silo paranormal here,

923
01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:38.920
U f o's there the truth. There's an overlapping the store.

924
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:40.360
Folks won't share.

925
01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:44.519
And on my land and I God, have any rock

926
01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:47.039
strown footsteps near barn.

927
01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:48.679
Tape caught the tap tap.

928
01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:51.559
Tapping than a knocked dead f fier.

929
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:56.360
He's over old store, still humbling.

930
01:02:56.440 --> 01:03:01.119
The world feels mean. People chase one that these answers

931
01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:03.280
in the places in between.

932
01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:06.599
Stay old man, take ground here.

933
01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:10.039
I gonna learn the le learn the name because the

934
01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:14.360
woods from them for everything, even when we forget the.

935
01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:19.119
Same more roads, old story.

936
01:03:21.239 --> 01:04:00.320
Yeah, it ain't no