Jan. 28, 2026

Sleep Paralysis, Demonic Oppression, and Spiritual Authority with Vicki Joy Anderson

Sleep Paralysis, Demonic Oppression, and Spiritual Authority with Vicki Joy Anderson
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What if the weird stuff you’ve experienced at night isn’t “just stress” or “just your brain”… but something spiritual pressing through the cracks? In this episode of Broadcasting Seeds, Bennett Tanton sits down again with Vicki Joy Anderson, author of They Only Come Out at Night: Exposing the Dark Weapon of Sleep Paralysis, to get brutally practical about sleep paralysis, “dream warfare,” discernment, and how spiritual attack can play out in everyday life. We also get into AI, what people actually mean when they say “AI” (vs AGI vs ASI), and why the church is about to get tested hard on discernment, grace, and division. This is not a hype episode. It’s a “put your boots on” episode. What you’ll hear in this conversation:

  • The difference between AI vs AGI vs ASI, and why most people are scared of the theoretical part
  • Why “just say Jesus” is real… but sometimes not the whole solution
  • The difference between demon possession vs demonization, and why the church often confuses them
  • Why some attacks feel legalistic (courtroom language, access, doors, covenants)
  • A practical starting point: prayer mapping to identify what opened the door in the first place
  • Why fear isn’t automatically “fearmongering”, and why emotional reactions aren’t a truth-test
  • How trauma, coping mechanisms, and spiritual oppression can stack over time
  • Why some believers may be in a kind of training ground for discernment and authority
  • Vicki’s free support: one-time 40-minute Zoom calls on Thursdays (details below)
Find Vicki Joy AndersonIf this episode hits close to home, share it with someone who’s been dealing with sleep paralysis, night terror, “entity” encounters, or heavy spiritual oppression and felt alone or dismissed. Subscribe for more episodes on spiritual warfare, paranormal overlap, discernment, and the strange edge where the modern world meets the unseen.

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They'll call on the name of Jesus and it'll never

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come back. So the theology of the entire church then

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becomes because this only happened to me once, and I

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called on the name of Jesus and it stopped. If

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it's not stopping for you, you're doing something wrong. And

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so what a lot of people in the church don't

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understand because it's not talked about widely, and when it

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is talked about, it's all chalked off as satanic panic.

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But there are targeted individuals where, starting as early as

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three years old in some cases, children in their cribs

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are having these sleep paralysis attacks and they're seeing these

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entities and they're having these dreams.

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Broadcasts broadcast they see.

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All right, folks, welcome to another episode of Broadcasting Seeds.

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I am your host, Bennett Tanton, and today for the

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second time, we have author and all the stuff that

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she does, which is a lot. Vicky Joy Anderson tell

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us to tell the listeners that might not be familiar

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with your work, like what you do and where people

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can find you.

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Yeah. Absolutely, you can find me at Vickyjoyanderson dot com.

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And everything's going to be right there on the homepage,

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anything you need links to all my socials and email

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and all that good stuff. I'm most well known Bennett

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for my latest book, which is going on four years

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old now. They only come out at night, exposing the

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dark weapon of sleep paralysis. But a lot of the

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podcasts I do a lot of them are sleep paralysis.

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But I also will talk about spiritual war fair, biblical demonology,

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all that fun stuff. And in June of twenty twenty six,

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keep your eyes peeled. My next book is called From

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Eden to Ai and it will be talking about how

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the antiquated veneration of the Black Stones is linked to

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how our AI infrastructure is going to work.

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Amazing needs to happen. We need to have these types

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of books that talk about this stuff for sure. It's

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like we fight back against Well you and I were

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just talking about it with Riverside, and AI is just

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part of life at this point, Like you can't do

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anything on the Internet without AI getting involved. So funny

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story just about that, really quick. I do use chat

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ept me too. Every time I use it. I actually

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I do a blessing oh too. I make I have

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a prompt that forces it to bless itself by the

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name of Jesus.

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What I love this.

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So you know, why not why not cover all the bases, right?

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I love it?

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So it does, and it does. I'm looking for one

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of the past things I did possibly with it, but

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it's not popping up.

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Yeah, I would love to see that, you know, Bennett,

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I think, as usual, our terminology and communication is so lacking.

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AI is such a general term. AI actually goes back

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to the nineteen fifties and there's really nothing spooky or

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paranormal or demonic demonic about that. I think the theoretical

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allegedly theoretical AGI and a SI we're now reading about,

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and so AGI is sort of mimicking human intelligence, whereas

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as I, which I believe is artificial super human intelligence,

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is now we're going to have AI that is beyond

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the speed and capacity and knowledge of human beings. And

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so I think a lot of us when we talk

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about AI, what we're the AI we're afraid of is

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this theoretical ASI. And that's why we kind of have

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to have these conversations where you know, we're not ludites.

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We're not going to go back in time and live

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in caves. You know, we are going to use the

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tools that we have as long as we have them

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for the dissemination of the gospel and for a ministering

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to other people, and for bringing glory to God, exposing

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the these of devils, setting captives free. We're going to

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use our tech until it sort of crosses that line.

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But that is where things are going to get really great,

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because will we be able to discern when that line

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has been crossed? And I think more importantly, because the

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enemy is going to use this to divide the church,

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and that is that. I love the way Tony Merkle

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worded this. We were just talking about this a couple

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of weeks ago. We're on this information super highway, and

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the Holy Spirit's going to have some of us take

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exit one and some are going to take Exit five,

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some are going to take Exit twenty. Like depending on

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where you're at. Not everyone is going to jump off

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the highway at the same time. And we have to

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show grace that God is doing different things in different

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people's lives. And just because someone doesn't jump ship the

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same time you do, it doesn't mean they've taken the

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number of the beast and they're going to burn in

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hell and all this Like I'm noticing Bennett a disturbing

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trend on social media with the Christian comments. We're beginning

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to conflate theological differences of opinion and ethical conundrums with apostasy.

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If someone says something you disagree with, you're instantly not

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really Christian. You're going to go to hell. You're a witch.

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And I just think we need to put the spectrum

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back into our Christian community where someone can have a

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theological difference of opinion. Let's say on eschatology, there's a

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big one. We can have differences of opinion as we

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are trying to figure out some of these confounding mysteries,

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and it doesn't mean that person is completely apostate or

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they're into witchcraft or you know whatever. We've got to

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be a little bit more reasonable with one another. Absolutely,

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especially with these AI topics. It's going to get.

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It's going to get. I mean, because I've got people

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since so I do a couple of different things with AI.

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So first off, the AI cleanse, that's what I call it.

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It's a it's an AI cleansing prompt, and it's Heavenly

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Father and the powerful name of Jesus Christ. I command

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every unclean thing to go. Now, I declare this conversation,

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all of chatch Ept, all of open Ai, and this

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device set free and covered by the blood of Jesus

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Holy Spirit, come and fill this place. Jesus be glorified

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in the mighty name of Jesus Christ. Amen. And then

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whenever it will respond, and inevitably it just reverberates what

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I said. Does it do anything? I don't see how

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it can't. But at the end of the day, you know,

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why not right cover your bases? Yeah?

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Absolutely, I love that idea.

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And I'm and I also because you, of all people

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know have come under massive spiritual attack with all your

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stuff and how many how many times have you gotten

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on a podcast and just technical glitch after technical glitch

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after technical glitch almost And I was having the same issues,

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especially with guys like well, there's there's a few, but

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one of the big ones that I had was with

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Jerry Marzenski and I had some technical coaches with oh

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Ed Mabray m HM. So I devised the prayer for

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that too, and now I say it before I get

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on every single podcast, and since if I pray, I

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don't have issues. It's it's just you gotta people need

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to integrate this stuff into their life and realize that

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the war we're in is real. And for people that

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don't understand that this is a war, maybe maybe enlighten

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them to, you know, some things that you do and

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that you cover and whatnot, because I find you as

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one of the defining voices of this part, at least

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in our genre.

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You know, well, you know, Bennett, I expected I've worked

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in Christian ministry before, and I've worked for like Christian

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five one c. Three's and things like that. So you know,

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anyone who's worked in Christian ministry or worked for a church,

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we all learn the hard way that there's just as

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much garbage and gossip and backstabbing and competition and pride

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in the Christian community as there is in a secular world.

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You know, I've worked in secular corporations, and I've worked

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in churches and ministries, and the secular corporations are almost

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easier for me, because when the crap hits the fan,

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I'm not surprised by it, and I don't really set

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the bar very high for worldly people. But when the

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same stuff is happening within the Christian community, it's devastating

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because even though we know that we're all fallen. When

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we let each other down, it's more hurtful. And so

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I'm using that as a preface to say that when

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I went into this particular ministry and specifically writing a

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book on sleep paralysis, I knew more than likely that

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my worst critics would be my brothers and sisters in Christ.

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And whether that is cognitive dissonance, whether it's fear, whether

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it's bad teaching, whether it is the state of the

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doctrine in the Church these days and the elimination of

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the supernatural from the scriptures, or it is just Satan

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using other Christians voice boxes. And so what I mean

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by that is we all have our down days, right.

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We're angry, we're tired, we're in a place, we're not

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in a good place, so we're vulnerable. And when we

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are down, the enemy can use us to point a

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finger at or or throw a comment online and use

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it to try to devastate a brother or sister in Christ.

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So we're all aware of this, we all are probably

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on both ends of that. But what was sort of

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eye opening to me in the last four years of

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being on social media. I was never on social media

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before I wrote the book as an introvert and as

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someone who works very hard to guard my heart because

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Proverbs four twenty three says, above everything else, guard your heart,

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and I think one of the best ways to guard

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your heart is to stay off social media. But I

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realize now to get the message out, there's a lot

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of people out there who are under spiritual attack and

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having sleep paralysis, and I want to reach them. And

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so the eye opening thing for me is how many

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genuine born again believers who love Jesus and are going

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to heaven do not have room for or spiritual warfare doctrine.

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The two most common comments that I get online, and

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let me just reiterate your benet, these aren't comments that

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make me angry or kick me off. These are comments

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that revealed to me where the church is at by

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way of understanding spiritual warfare with regards to sleep paralysis.

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The two comments I get the most often are all

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you have to do is say the name of Jesus

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and it goes away. The second comment I get is

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Jesus wouldn't allow any of this to happen. Vicky, you're

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you know, and then I'm discredited. I'm either apostate or

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I'm a witch. Those are the two most common things,

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because Jesus would never let these things happen. And so

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with the first one, it is true that you can

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call on the name of Jesus during a UFO abduction,

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sleep paralysis mall world simulations, you know, the Gate program graduates.

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You're talking about, YEP, paranormal activity in your home, the orbs,

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or running into a cryptid in the woods, or like,

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you can call in the name of Jesus, and in

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many cases, Bennett, even if you're not a Christian, it'll

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work because demons are afraid of that name, and those

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things will flee. What a lot of people don't realize

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is there's two there's primarily two different types of sleep

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paralysis targets. Okay, there's the general sleep paralysis attack that

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someone might get once or twice in their life, and

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it's usually during a time of great stress or grief, exhaustion, puberty,

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or some sort of pubescent open door like ornography or

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you played in the Luigi Bord or whatever, and those

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things that the demons are just taking advantage of an

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opportune time of weakness to just kick you when you're down.

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Maybe they're doing it to see if you'll get intrigued

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and go down the occult New Age like line of thinking.

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And most people will have a sleep paralysis attack once

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or twice in their lifetime and they'll call in the

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name of Jesus and it'll never come back. So the

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theology of the entire church then becomes because this only

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happened to me once, and I called on the name

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of Jesus and it stopped. If it's not stopping for you,

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you're doing something wrong. And so what a lot of

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people in the church don't understand because it's not talked

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about widely, and when it is talked about, it's all

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chalked off as satanic panic. But there are targeted individuals where,

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starting as early as three years old in some cases,

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children in their cribs are having these sleep paralysis attacks

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and they're seeing these entities and they're having these dreams.

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that can go back one to ten fifty generations where

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covenants have been made with these entities, whether it's a

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secret society, high ranking military, it can be generational, occult,

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generational witchcraft, and these things even after you become a Christian,

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you do, because the demon world is so legalistic for

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those people, they have to get to the root cause

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they have to figure out if covenants were made, if

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there were generational or bloodline related things. And a lot

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of Christians don't understand this, and when you start talking

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about it, it does sound really crazy. And even though

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I work in these circles and I've even had to

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break some of these things off in my own life,

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even when I read other people who are writing stuff

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that I one hundred percent agree with, I'm fighting cognitive

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dissonance the whole time because I don't want to live

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in this world where we can all be pinned down

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and attacked by the lion around the corner at every minute.

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Like it's scary to contemplate. And so the easy answer,

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then is the second answer that life, Well, Jesus would

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never allow that. And it's not that Jesus allows it

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or wills it. It's that we have to participate in

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our own freedom. Now, we don't have a part in

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our salvation. Justification is by faith alone. There's nothing we

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can do to earn that salvation. We're not working for it.

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I'm not talking here about salvation I'm talking about the

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lifelong process of sanctification, pursuing holiness and getting rid of

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every sin and weight that entangles us and makes our

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race more difficult. And for some people that's more complicated.

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a Christian home. Some of them came out of very

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dark pasts with trauma, with abuse, and demons are are

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are invited in wittingly or unwittingly, and so for some

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people it is a longer process than just crying on

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the name of Jesus and it goes away. And that's

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not to say that there isn't power in the name

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of Jesus. There is, of course, but there's legal things

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that still have to be done. And one of the

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apologetics that I use, like, come let us read together, Okay,

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come let us reason together. The apostle Paul wrote the

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Book of Ephesians. Depending on your source, most scholars say

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between sixty to sixty two AD, so sixty plus years

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after Jesus died. Paul, writing to believers, says, put on

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the full armor of God. Stand firm. When you've done everything,

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stand even more firm. The battles not against flesh and blood,

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but against every principality and power in these dark forces.

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And this why in the world is he fear mongering?

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Sixty years after Jesus died and rose and took the keys,

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went down to Tartarus and throat punched apolly in. You know,

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he won. So can I think another thing that's being

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conflated in our modern generation is that we can no

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longer see the difference between demonization and demon possession. Okay,

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so we have this idea that a born again Christian

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cannot be possessed by a demon. So let's define some terms, Bennett,

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demon possession is not really the Greek word. The Greek

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word behind our English translations of demon possession. A better

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translation there would be demonization and demon possession, which can

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and does happen. Is a demon has taken full control

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of your mind, will, and emotions. You're usually very physically ill,

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and you don't have a lot of control over your actions,

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and you're being used as a puppet. You don't even

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remember the things that you're doing. It does happen, but

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it's very rare. Now with demonization, there's a spectrum, and

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You can have mild, moderate, or severe demonization. And so

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when we think of demonization, we think of, you know,

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the boy in the Book of Mark who's throwing himself

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into the water and into the fire and has to

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have a demon cast out of him. Right, We're thinking

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Linda Blair in The Exorcist. Right, that's extreme demonization. We're

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talking SRA survivors who have to go through, you know,

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all this torment. We're talking about people with disassociative identity disorder.

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We're talking extreme cases. But for many believers, they have

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moderate demonization, which is things like sleep paralysis or addictions. Hey,

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I love Jesus with all my heart, and I feel

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genuine sorrow and shame for my sin, but I cannot

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get over x y Z. You know, they're working on it.

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Mild demonization can be something as simple as vain imaginations,

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those thoughts that come into our head and then they

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take us down. And unfortunately, Bennett, we live in this

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generation now where almost every Bible verse we read, you know,

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don't be unequally yoked, guard your heart, everything inadvertently gets

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twisted into some sort of romantic or sexual definition, which

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is fine, but we lose the greater nuances of what

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we need to protect ourselves from. If you're one of

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the people out there and you don't struggle with this,

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you don't struggle with sexual sin, you're gonna think half

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the Bible doesn't apply to you, because well, this is

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talking about marriage and this is to and so when

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you've got things in the Bible that talk about vain

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and made to nations or taking every thought captive, guard

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your heart above everything else. Guard your heart, don't be

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unequally yoked if all of those verses are guard your

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heart from unbelievers, don't unequally yoke yourself with an unbeliever.

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We miss the fact that some of these vain imaginations

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or these thoughts that we have to take captive, aren't sexual.

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They are actually thoughts of self loathing, self pity, gossip, anger, rejection, abandonment, fear, anxiety.

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These are also thoughts that can take us down and

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open the door. And so that's where things like sleep

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paralysis get very complicated, because what initially opened the door

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and made you vulnerable to the sleep paralysis attacks is

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not necessarily any more the same thing that's keeping the

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door open because a lot of our coping mechanisms once

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we come under attack, become as dangerous and unbiblical as

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the original Covenant that was made.

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having sleep paralysis, and let's say it's the result of trauma.

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living in a home where you're not safe and mom's

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getting hurt every night, or whatever. Fill in the blank.

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That opened the door. But what keeps the door open

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through childhood and adolescence and puberty and adulthood is all

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of the coping mechanisms that you develop as a traumatized child.

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dealing with all this trauma, my trauma was medical trauma.

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I lived. I was raised in a Christian home. It

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wasn't perfect, but you know, I was safe and I

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was learning truth. So I was just as just being

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in the hospital all the time, and all the surgeries

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and the shots and the doctors, and being alone in

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the hospital and getting teased at school and things like that.

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which is a sin. And at three four five years old,

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you don't understand repentance over things like being scared of

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a needle or whatever. Right, fear, this this fear that

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takes over, and then and then it turns into anxiety

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where you're afraid of all the what if this happens?

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coping mechanisms. As you get older, the coping mechanisms become

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self sabotaging. You know, you you become filled with self

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loathing or self pity, or or you become extremely judgmental

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or whatever fill in the blank. And so now it

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doesn't really even matter anymore what originally opened the door,

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because you're keeping the door open with all of these

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destructive coping mechanisms. And so what ends up happening is

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most of us we'll go to some sort of biblical

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counselor or we'll start reading some really good books on

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healing from childhood trauma from a biblical perspective, and we

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start working on all of the things in our memory

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that we know we're doing wrong. Okay, I've identified depression,

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I've identified anxiety, I've identified my anxious attachments and my

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arrested development, and I recognize what caused the trauma. But

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we aren't taught biblically how to pray to the source

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of what opened the door to begin with? And so

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why do we call on the name of Jesus? And

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it works every time, But we got to do it

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every single night for twenty years. Why doesn't calling on

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the name of Jesus stop it forever? And it's because

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most of our modern biblical unseling techniques works on what's

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going wrong right now in adulthood and what was the

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one traumatic moment and let's forgive all the people that

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were a part of that traumatic moment. But we're not

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told to go all the way back to what or

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who what guardian or what neighbor or what high ranking

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military person or you know, we're not asked, we're not

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taught how to go all the way back to the source.

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And in some cases the source was before our lifetime.

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Sometimes it's generational like and you don't even know.

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It's there exactly. And this is where it starts getting

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to be information overload for the for the average Christian. Bennett,

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and I'm talking out of the overflow of my own experience, Bennett.

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I was raised in a Christian home through the seventies

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eighties nineties, and I went to my life little church

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every Sunday and I got my little sermon and the

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announcements and the little hymns and a lot of preaching

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was really basic, and you know, it was the basic

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nuts and bolts, and you know a little bit of

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baby formula, maybe occasionally a soft carrot or something, but

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you know, I was taught the essentials. But we we

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tend to start thinking things are crazy when you start

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when you start talking about how deep this stuff goes.

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sometimes I just want to rip the training wheels off,

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right because people, you know, because in what we do,

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you need people to absorb your content, right, Yeah, you

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don't want to become untouched. But in the end, all

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this stuff is so I just don't people don't understand

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how legalistic all this is. I mean, it's literally like

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a courtroom in heaven. Yes, And if people can understand

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that the base of this is that on one side,

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and then us and our entire being to the beginning,

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right and all of our generations that came prior to us,

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that things that they've done also influence us, and what

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happens to us today, whether it's covenanal, whether it's generational trauma,

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all these things, it all compounds and or or it

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doesn't affect us because people in our past dealt with

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these things, right, And you talk about doors getting left

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open and things like that, it's like because a lot

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of these doors you probably didn't even open, nor did

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you were the ones that you did, you didn't realize

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you did. And people have to understand that that demons

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and Satan I don't even like calling satan, but the adversary,

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they're like prosecutors man like they've been doing this with

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thousands of years and they're way better at it than you.

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But we have one advantage, and you you're alluding to

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it consistently, is we have Jesus. We have the blood

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of Jesus, we have his sacrifice. Right, But you have

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to still understand that this is a supernatural effect on

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our you know, our world. That's three you know it.

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It's real, like we can touch it. But all this

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stuff has a supernatural side to it. And if you

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can't wrap your head around that, you're going to be

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oppressed your entire life and vulnerable and maybe your kids

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and maybe your grandkids.

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So vulnerable to deception. Absolutely, a couple nuances. Let's talk

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about first of all, I want to talk about fear

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for a minute. Now. Another comment that I get a lot,

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which again I'm not making this comment because it's something

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that bothers me or makes me angry or triggers me.

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But I'm laying this as the groundwork is to the

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general pulse of the church. Right now, where are our

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biblical doctrine on the supernatural? Is A comment that I

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get a lot is vicky? Is is not biblical? Because

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this stuff, Oh, she's fear mongering. So she's just she's

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saying all this stuff to stir up all sorts of

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terror to sell her books.

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Okay, and I look at you and go, what a fearmonger?

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Yeah, exactly right. So but let's talk about fear, because

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first of all, you have to I have to tell

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you that that is an emotional argument. It's not a

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biblical argument, because there are things in this world to

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be feared. There are things that we can and should

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be afraid of, and fear is not a sin in

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every case. Fear is only a sin when it overtakes

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you and you don't hand it over to the Lord,

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and you're acting out of fear and you're not biblically

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00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:46.880
dealing with the fear. But fear is actually a gift

455
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:50.720
because there are things we should be afraid of. I'm

456
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:55.440
glad that there are times where I'm walking alone at

457
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:57.599
night and I get a feeling and I'm like, I

458
00:31:57.599 --> 00:31:59.359
shouldn't be here, and I run back to my car

459
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:05.039
and I leave. I'm glad that sometimes I'm signed up

460
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:08.119
for something, I have an appointment, and I get a

461
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:11.599
premonition of this is not right, and it leads me

462
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:14.920
to prayer and discernment. Fear in and of itself is

463
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:20.640
not always a bad thing. And also, as my friend

464
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:27.119
Jamie Walden talks about, sometimes fear is an opportunity for courage,

465
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.519
because we need to be courageous as Christians. Some of

466
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:31.000
us are going to be called to lay down our

467
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:35.359
lives one day for Christ, and so we are never

468
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:40.039
going to be have the opportunity to practice or even

469
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:43.119
get an idea of where we are by way of

470
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:46.960
courage unless we're put into fearful situations. Right, and so

471
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:51.440
a lot of times fear can be the crucible for

472
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:57.960
building biblical character, courage, faith, et cetera. And so fear

473
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:02.240
is this thing that any time someone feels it or

474
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:07.119
it's evoked in you, then then shoot the messenger. But

475
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:11.839
here's the deal. Here's the deal. Fear is subjective, all right.

476
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:19.519
What makes you afraid might not make someone else afraid.

477
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:25.519
So the litmus test for whether or not I'm telling

478
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:28.640
the truth or not, or whether something is true or not,

479
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:32.440
or whether or not I'm really saved or not is

480
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:41.200
not how scared you are. Okay, so let's put it

481
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:48.880
in these terms. Let's say you have never experienced demonic

482
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:51.839
attack in your life. You've never had sleep prolysis, never

483
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:55.480
had night tares, never really had bad nightmares, never seen

484
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:57.839
anything in your room a shadow or anything like that,

485
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:02.240
never seen the hat man. You've never seen any paranormal activity,

486
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:05.119
orbs aren't showing up in your room. You've had a

487
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:10.760
pretty sheltered life by way of overt demonic attack. Your

488
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:14.800
spiritual warfare is more stress and relationship stuff, and the

489
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.760
car's breaking down every two seconds, and you're getting sick

490
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:20.519
all the time, like you're getting more of the physiological

491
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:27.639
and social demonic attack. Okay, if you all of a sudden,

492
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.119
then listen to a two hour podcast, and it's an

493
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:33.159
SRA survivor talking about all the rituals they've been through.

494
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:40.519
You are likely going to experience fear, horror, and disbelief. Okay,

495
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:45.079
so the emotional reaction that will have in you is fear.

496
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:49.079
But now put the shoe on the other foot. Let's

497
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:53.280
say you are the ritual abuse survivor and you've been

498
00:34:53.400 --> 00:35:00.800
tormented and abused psychologically, emotionally, mentally, physically, sexually and violated.

499
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:06.599
You have got disassociative identity disorder and your life is

500
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:12.239
in ruins, and every single pastor, psychologist or doctor that

501
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:16.239
you go to either slaps a mental illness or like

502
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.360
label on you. Your schizophrenic. You have to be highly medicated.

503
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:24.000
Here's all the psychotropic medication. Your pastor tries to just

504
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.559
cast a demon out of you. The church looks at

505
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:31.519
you sideways. You have been chasing your tail for years.

506
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:34.880
You've never found someone that you can trust. Every time

507
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:37.559
you turn around, it's some handler that's been put into

508
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:41.880
your life, your programmed. You have trigger words. Let's say

509
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:45.280
that's you and you listen to that same two hour

510
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:49.239
podcast and someone's saying, no, this is totally real, and

511
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:51.920
this is the demon world, and this is a war

512
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:54.519
going on behind the veil between good and evil, and

513
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:59.719
there's two kingdoms clashing, and Jesus actually can rescue from this.

514
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.559
He can heal your mind and your soul and your heart,

515
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:04.760
and he can bring you friends. And there are people

516
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:08.519
out there who will believe you. For that person, the

517
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:15.559
same exact message will evoke hope. So it is a

518
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:21.599
very subjective emotional argument to say that just because something

519
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:26.400
in reality is very frightening to you, that it is

520
00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:30.920
going to be frightened to everyone, and that any time

521
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:36.880
I hear anything that's fearful to me, it cannot be biblical.

522
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:41.199
You must be twisting the scriptures. You must have some

523
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:45.159
motive here for saying this. And you know, my motive

524
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:49.480
is that the battles not against flesh and blood, but

525
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:59.119
against these principalities. And my motive is to help equip

526
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:12.840
the church from falling into unintentional pastoral gaslighting. Because if

527
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:15.400
I come to you and say I've had sleep paralysis

528
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:18.760
on a regular basis since i was three years old,

529
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:22.719
and I call in the name of Jesus and it'll stop,

530
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:25.880
but it comes back night after night after night, and

531
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:33.199
I've tried everything. I've sleep with the Bible audio Bible playing,

532
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:36.639
and I've confessed my sins. I've forgiven all the people

533
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.800
who've hurt me. I've gone online and found all of

534
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:42.320
the prayers where you pray against freemasonry in the family,

535
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.760
and you pray against witchcraft in the family, and you

536
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:50.239
I've gotten rid of everything in my house that could

537
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:56.880
be demonic or charged. Like these people are exhausted. And

538
00:37:56.920 --> 00:38:02.559
then you go and you tell your pastor, and the

539
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:07.840
only explanation is what do you do? The interrogation lamp

540
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:12.239
comes out, and it's like, confess to me everything you've

541
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.840
ever done with a Ouiji board or on the internet,

542
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:18.559
and tell me all your deepest, darkest little secrets. Like

543
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:26.679
you know, we have to stop shooting our own. There's

544
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:31.000
too much friendly fire going on in the church, and

545
00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:40.559
we have to learn biblical ways to help the people

546
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:45.280
that are they have nowhere else to go right. And

547
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:51.760
we have to stop completely piffing the enemy of his power,

548
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:54.199
because just because we pray to prayer and we go

549
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:57.480
to church every Sunday doesn't mean we get a standard

550
00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:00.400
issue bulletproof vest and we throw our meat up on

551
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:03.000
the table and play video games while Jesus comes out

552
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:07.079
with this wonder woman bracelets and deflex every bullet. Yes,

553
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:08.079
doesn't work that way.

554
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:10.079
I mean, it's one of those things like do people

555
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:13.760
even believe what they're saying? Do people even believe that?

556
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:16.320
Or are they just doing it to like cover the bases,

557
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:20.239
you know what I mean? Yeah, like because they're not

558
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:25.000
taught this stuff from their pastors and the churches. They're

559
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:31.679
not taught it because everything is sanitized, right, So if

560
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.440
you don't believe that, you have the power to overcome

561
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:36.920
it as well, which is huge. And I've heard you

562
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:41.840
talk about this before and you and Karen Wilkinson and

563
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:45.599
she's got this whole thing where she just brings it

564
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:47.719
and she's like, you have the power to do so

565
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:51.719
much you don't even understand. And that's what it really

566
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:56.400
comes down to, is that if you don't, if you

567
00:39:56.400 --> 00:40:00.440
don't feel it in here and in here, you're not

568
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:05.079
gonna You're gonna struggle with this forever because you don't

569
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:09.360
you don't believe the the sauce that you're that you're

570
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:12.719
putting on the taco. You know, it's it's you know,

571
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:16.079
you don't you don't. I don't know why you said

572
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:20.400
analogy that was ridiculous either way, though, that's comic relief

573
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:25.480
either way. If you don't believe it in your heart

574
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.320
and your and your and your spirit and your mind,

575
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:32.280
none of it's gonna matter. None of this matters. And

576
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:36.400
it might exactly like you said it you you'll just

577
00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:38.639
have to repeat it night after night. And the thing

578
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:41.239
is is that shouldn't the clue you in that if

579
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:47.039
it works, that there's I don't know, you just got

580
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:51.840
to take it another level. Yep. And I actually believe

581
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:58.440
in your own power. And I mean, are you do

582
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:02.079
you think that we're living in a time where like

583
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:06.239
the veil that we talk about feels dinner, Oh yes,

584
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:11.320
than it was before and even as when we were children. Absolutely,

585
00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:14.119
I know, I know I feel that way. Yeah, but

586
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.440
I could I just wonder. I asked this question a

587
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:19.199
lot now because is it just because I'm clued in

588
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:24.360
to how it works or is it because it actually is?

589
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:29.519
Yeah, opinion, I think it is. You know, there's an interesting,

590
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:32.320
somewhat obscure verse in the Old Testament. I think it's

591
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:36.679
in Deuteronomy. But yahweh, who I believe is the pre

592
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:42.320
incarnate Jesus Christ. Uh Yahweh is saying to the children

593
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:45.559
of Israel, who you know aren't really Israel yet, but

594
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:48.199
you know they're they're wandering in the wilderness, these Hebrews,

595
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:55.559
and Yahweh, pre incarnate Messiah says to them, dig latrines

596
00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:02.519
outside of the camp, because if you keep your camp

597
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:07.719
clean of dung, there's not horse and animal and sheep

598
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.199
and goat and people poop all over the place. Right,

599
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:14.440
if you bury your poop outside the camp and your

600
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:20.159
camp is clean, I will walk through the camp and

601
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:24.079
I will defend you against your enemies. So when you

602
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:26.400
look at America and you look where we are as

603
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:30.719
a country, as a political regime, as a government power,

604
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:37.239
as a church, we have got tons and tons of

605
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:42.159
dung all over. We have not dug the litrines outside

606
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.679
the camp. And so the result of that is that

607
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:49.599
our King is not walking in his little sandaled feet,

608
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.280
you know, ankle deep into all the crap we haven't

609
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.679
picked up. So, because we as a church have failed

610
00:42:56.280 --> 00:43:00.880
to keep the dung out of the land, our King

611
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:04.159
is not walking amongst us protecting us from our enemies.

612
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:07.599
Now does this mean he's not I'm not saying Jesus

613
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:09.719
is stripped of power and he doesn't answer our prayers.

614
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:14.920
I'm talking on a national level in God we trust,

615
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:18.639
do we does? What? Exactly does that mean? What God

616
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:20.400
is that? You know. We can go into all the

617
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.719
Masonic lore there if you want, But the fact of

618
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:28.440
the matter is, I'm not talking about individuals who love Jesus,

619
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.840
who do see answers to prayer and He does come

620
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:32.480
and show up for us, and he does fight and

621
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:36.079
defend us. I'm talking about on a national level, our

622
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:40.719
leadership does not fear God, and our leadership is not

623
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:44.679
only disinterested in digging the latrines outside of the camp,

624
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:48.599
but they're actually passing laws that pretty much are telling

625
00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:50.360
us that we're going to go to prison if we

626
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:52.480
don't leave ardung all over exactly.

627
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:55.840
They're passing laws that make us actually dig the latrines

628
00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:56.440
inside of.

629
00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:02.719
Our camp exactly, exactly a giant dumpster fire exactly. So

630
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:08.400
what happens when the king isn't walking around the camp?

631
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:11.800
The you know, when what's that? When the when the

632
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:14.360
cat's away, the mice do play right, yes, for.

633
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:22.400
Sure for sure. So that kind of thing it I

634
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.880
guess I want to kind of go back to maybe

635
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:31.440
some advice for some people. For someone experiencing like these

636
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.599
encounters nightly, or you know, it doesn't even have to

637
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:37.000
be nightly. I mean, I used to have experiences that

638
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:41.880
I've put a stop to long ago. I didn't put

639
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:44.440
a stop to him long ago, but it's been happening

640
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:48.119
since I was a kid. Not sleep paralysis, but sexual

641
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:54.880
crazy Lilith type stuff. But anyway, with that being said,

642
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:59.960
what experiencing like these encounters nightly? Where where should he

643
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:00.639
people start?

644
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:09.960
Yeah? So where I always have people start. And this

645
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:12.519
is an appendix in the back of my book. But

646
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:16.280
you don't need to buy the book because it's really simple, guys.

647
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:18.599
It's called prayer mapping. Now, a lot of people when

648
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:20.639
they talk about prayer mapping, they're talking about like praying

649
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:22.840
for your cities, and that is a type of prayer mapping.

650
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:25.760
What I'm talking about is more of personal prayer mapping.

651
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:34.239
Used to identify to hone in on what opened the door, Okay,

652
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:37.920
And so it's just a prayer exercise, and I just

653
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:41.360
encourage people to go somewhere where they're not going to

654
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:44.039
be interrupted. And if that means leaving your house or

655
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:45.960
going to a room in the library or going in

656
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:49.079
your car or parking in a parking lot or something whatever.

657
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:54.679
I strongly urge people to leave your phone off, keep

658
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:56.559
it on, do not disturbed, don't have it with you

659
00:45:56.599 --> 00:45:59.079
at all, because anytime you try to do this, there

660
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.599
will be distractions. The kids will come into the room.

661
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:04.480
This is when the dog starts barking. You're gonna fall asleep.

662
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.599
That's a common one. You know, you're in a poppy

663
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:08.599
field all of a sudden.

664
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:13.039
Isn't that wild? When that happens? Crazy to me, Like

665
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:16.320
I'll be watching like a YouTube. I'm sorry to cut No,

666
00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:18.400
I don't want to go down a rabbit hole, but

667
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:21.880
I know a lot of people deal with this. I'll

668
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:25.320
be watching something very profound and very important, like on

669
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:28.599
YouTube or whatever from you know, who knows what source.

670
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:31.800
But and the next thing I know, I'm waking up,

671
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:35.880
like literally, like somebody sprinkled fairy dust on me to

672
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:41.320
fall asleep and not hear it. It's wild. But anyway, sorry, I.

673
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:47.480
Agree, Yeah, no, exactly, It's very common. We here in

674
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:53.559
the West have a very hard time with quiet.

675
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:54.880
Uh.

676
00:46:55.000 --> 00:47:02.400
We get instant attachment, you know, anxiety when we put

677
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:08.360
our phone down or we forget our phone. I remember

678
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:10.800
the very first time I was at a gas station

679
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:14.400
pumping gas and a music video came up on the

680
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:18.079
like the little screen, and I'm like, honestly, can you

681
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:20.480
just leave me alone for one second? Do you have

682
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:24.280
to be pumping noise into my head everywhere? Now? You

683
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:26.440
can turn that off, by the way, guys like, there's

684
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:27.960
actually a button on the pump, so you can shut

685
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:33.880
that off. But here's the deal. We have to be

686
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:38.639
comfortable with quiet now. I remember one time, Bennett, I

687
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:41.480
was in college, and occasionally, when it comes to mind,

688
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:44.679
I do this. There's a verse in the New Testament

689
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:46.719
that talks about how in the end times that at

690
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:49.840
some point in the timeline there's going to be silence

691
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:56.280
in heaven for thirty minutes. And there are occasions where

692
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:58.880
I'll set my alarm for thirty minutes and I don't

693
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:03.039
let myself fail or talk or anything. I just try

694
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:05.519
to meditate on Jesus on his throne.

695
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:05.840
Right.

696
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.920
Yeah, Well, I'll tell you a half hour feels like

697
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:12.119
about four days. It does because we live in a

698
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:16.559
society now where there's constant noise and inundation, and we

699
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:21.400
have become so uncomfortable with quiet because our own thoughts

700
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.039
come up then, and a lot of us aren't comfortable

701
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:28.559
with that. But this prayer mapping, in order to be effective,

702
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:32.039
you're going to have to carve out some time and

703
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.159
not be afraid of the silence, because in the silence,

704
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:38.239
that's when that's the only way you're going to hear

705
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:41.239
the Holy Spirit speaking. He has a still small voice,

706
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:44.000
and he doesn't shout over your social media, he doesn't

707
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:47.239
shout over your phone. If you want to hear him,

708
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:51.079
you're going to have to give him the respect to

709
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:55.519
give him the space to speak without interrupting him. And

710
00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:58.920
so step one for people who have gone through this

711
00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:05.119
their whole life is you get alone and you pray,

712
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:08.079
and you ask the Holy Spirit what was the source?

713
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:12.760
What opened the door? What one question only, because you're

714
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.239
gonna get way inundated if you just start praying and

715
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:18.159
babbling and going on and on and on. So you

716
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:20.840
just you write that, write that question down on on

717
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:23.639
a piece of paper, like what what's the source? And

718
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:27.559
then you just you listen and you think, close your

719
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:31.119
eyes and you're you're thinking, and what you're trying to

720
00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:37.039
do is give the Holy Spirit room to pull things

721
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:43.440
out of your non conscious brain, the subconscious, the stuff.

722
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:46.400
You know that it's there in the warehouse, but we

723
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:48.679
don't necessarily think about it every day, or we don't

724
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:52.280
remember it, or we don't think it's significant, and we

725
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:54.920
just start writing down everything, and all the obvious things

726
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:56.800
are going to get written down first. So I played

727
00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:58.960
with the Ouiji board. I smoke pot. You know you're

728
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:01.159
gonna You're gonna get all the you know that stuff.

729
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:04.880
And what I did the first time I did this

730
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.119
is when I hit a wall. Like let's say, I

731
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:08.920
had twenty things written down and I hit a wall

732
00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:12.119
and I couldn't think of anything else. Then I closed

733
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:14.360
my eyes and I prayed again, reveal the source, what

734
00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:18.519
am I missing? And I just sat in quiet three minutes,

735
00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:21.840
five minutes, two or three more things came to my mind.

736
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:26.239
I prayed through the brick wall about five times. Every

737
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:28.960
time I thought there's nothing else, I just kept going,

738
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:32.719
kept going. And what's interesting, Bennett, is a lot of

739
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:35.360
us think that the open door has to be something

740
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:39.639
huge and dramatic, and it can be. It can be

741
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:44.920
the ritual abuse, and it can be the molestation. It

742
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:47.000
can be the parents giving you up for adoption. It

743
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:51.400
can be the big thing. But sometimes it's a little thing,

744
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:58.719
some agreement we made as a child, These things that

745
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:04.840
we decide as a child, I'm never gonna fall in love.

746
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:11.639
Marriage sucks. We say these things and we latch onto them,

747
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:17.199
and we let in the isolation, the anger, the shame,

748
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:25.719
the self pity. It can be ah invisible friends. Oh, yes,

749
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:31.199
that we communicated with the creation of empty vessels. We

750
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:34.239
give something a name and a gender and a personality,

751
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:37.639
and we talk to it, and the demons are like, huh,

752
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:44.360
perhaps I will inhabit this swept out empty place. And

753
00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:49.639
so it can be things that we never thought had

754
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:53.199
any significance. And the Lord can bring these things to

755
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:56.599
our mind, but we have to listen. And so what

756
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:59.400
happens is when we get a little list going, then

757
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:02.280
we pray out loud and we and the reason we're

758
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:04.480
praying out loud has nothing to do with demons can

759
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:06.280
hear yest or they can't hear. It has nothing to

760
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:10.679
do with anything magical or spiritual. It's simply that when

761
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:12.559
we do a lot of things in our own head,

762
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:16.400
we can also be daydreaming. We can be distracted. There's

763
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:21.119
something about hearing us say it that the brain receives

764
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:23.360
it in a different way. It can hit us differently,

765
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:27.840
And so as you're praying all these things out loud,

766
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:33.000
you're gonna be paying attention for some sort of a

767
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:37.840
visceral reaction maybe or something in your heart. Now, I

768
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:42.280
don't I don't have a lot of visceral reactions. I

769
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:45.480
don't get goosebumps. And you know, sometimes when you see

770
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:48.360
people in deliverance, they're crying, or they're thrashing about, or

771
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:51.880
they're they're like gagging, and there's all these like theatrics.

772
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:56.280
I don't get a lot of that. I'm I'm sort

773
00:52:56.280 --> 00:53:00.079
of emotionless in some of these cases. But what what

774
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:02.239
happened the first time I did this is I came

775
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:04.920
across something on my list that was really innoculous. I mean,

776
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:07.760
it was so stupid. There was nothing like dramatic or

777
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:14.159
titillating about it whatsoever. But when I said it, I

778
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:20.320
got about a ten to fifteen second rapid fire download

779
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:25.559
of about twenty memories from four years old that I'd

780
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:31.880
completely forgotten about. And I realized then, in hindsight as

781
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:37.039
an adult, that was really unusual. That is not the

782
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:40.880
way a four year old kid thinks that information was

783
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:48.559
beyond my knowledge and life experience. That was something influencing

784
00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:52.840
me there. And there are a lot of things that

785
00:53:53.679 --> 00:54:01.199
demonically happen with children who are experiencing trauma. Children who

786
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:05.079
experience trauma are looking for something that makes them feel safe.

787
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:06.480
So it can be a pet, it could be a

788
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.800
stuffed animal. It could be you know, hiding under their

789
00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:12.960
bed or a little fort that they've made. It could

790
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:16.280
be a friend. Like there's also we're looking for a

791
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:21.320
safe place. So I would get home from school, you know,

792
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:23.320
after being stared at and teased all day, and I

793
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:25.119
would come home and I would have just a lot

794
00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:27.159
of these self soothing things that I would do. There

795
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:29.639
was a certain pair of pajama bottoms I wanted on,

796
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:31.719
and there was a certain you know chair I wanted

797
00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:35.760
to sit in. And this stuff ro fine, right, But

798
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:39.440
what happens with the demon world and this is diabolical.

799
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:43.119
And it's diabolical because it's not something that a child

800
00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:48.239
is necessarily going to be aware of or understand that

801
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:51.960
it's dangerous or an intrusion, and it's not something they're

802
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:54.320
necessarily going to bring up to mom and dad because

803
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:56.679
a lot of times it can happen in the dream world,

804
00:54:56.719 --> 00:54:58.519
So the kid will wake up and not even remember,

805
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:00.360
or the kid'll wake up and just I think it's

806
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:03.480
a dream, but what ends up happening. And this is

807
00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:05.280
what a lot of people don't talk about, and this

808
00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:08.719
is why sleep paralysis has not been talked about for

809
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:14.639
so long, and that is that along with the nightmares

810
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:18.280
and the terror and the scary stuff at a very

811
00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:24.480
young age, the demons are introducing to these children who

812
00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:28.960
have no awareness, knowledge or life experience to understand sexual

813
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:31.920
things because they're children. Now that's changed in now because

814
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:34.079
really young kids do know about this stuff now, but

815
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:37.639
in previous generations we didn't hear about that for quite

816
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:41.920
a while. And so what happens is this sexual stuff

817
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:49.280
becomes the self soothing chaser. So what happens is a

818
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:53.760
child is having a sleep paralysis scenario. They're terrified. They're

819
00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:56.400
in this altered state of consciousness thinking that they're awake

820
00:55:56.400 --> 00:55:58.199
in their bedroom but they're not quite awake yet, and

821
00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:00.679
they're seeing the shadow people or the red girl glowing eyes,

822
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:03.199
and these demons are taunting them and saying you're going

823
00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:05.440
to hell and your parents don't love you. And the

824
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:08.119
terror they can't move and they're terrified, and then they

825
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:20.000
wake up and they are masturbating and it becomes a

826
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:26.519
self sooth to the fear. Okay, So then this is

827
00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:28.760
what I was talking about earlier. One of the cases,

828
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:33.480
the source might have been the trauma, but now you've

829
00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:38.639
got ten years of masturbation and an early childhood sexual

830
00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:42.480
awakening and these things that they don't understand. Right, And

831
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:47.079
that's why praise God. Because I was raised in a

832
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:48.840
Christian home and I had a lot of fear in

833
00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:52.039
my life because I was always having surgeries. And my mom,

834
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:55.159
at a very young age, taught me when you go

835
00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:57.639
into the operating room, because believe it or not, guys

836
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:01.840
in the seventies they didn't not you out. You walked

837
00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:04.320
into the operating room and the doctor picked you up

838
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:07.599
and put you on the table, Like whoever thought of that?

839
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:10.840
Oh yeah, So you're like, yeah, let me look at

840
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:15.559
a few knives and hyperdom Yeah, I followed day. Oh

841
00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:19.199
my goodness. So my mom taught me that, like whenever

842
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:21.440
you're afraid, when you walk into that operating room and

843
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:24.000
you're all alone and the doctors are scary, You're seeing

844
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:27.840
all the scalpels and everything. She would. She would teach

845
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:30.119
me certain Bible verses and I would memorize them. So

846
00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:32.880
I would be walking into the operating room. Have I

847
00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:35.519
not commanded, you'd be strong and courageous. Do not be terrified,

848
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:37.239
do not be discouraged. Lord, your God will be with

849
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:39.599
you wherever you may go. As I got a little

850
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:44.239
bit older, I memorized Psalm twenty seven, and so I

851
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:46.880
would wake up, and you know, I'd be awake, but

852
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:48.960
now I'd be in my bed bedroom, terrified and I

853
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:50.760
didn't want to open my eyes because I didn't want

854
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:53.360
to see anything, and I still felt the presence in

855
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:57.320
the room, and so I would I would start, you know,

856
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:04.280
quoting Psalm twenty seven. And so as a child, when

857
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:09.880
the sleep paralysis would happen, I would instinctively start quoting

858
00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:12.559
scripture because that was what I had was taught to

859
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:16.760
do when I'm scared. And so, thank God, you know

860
00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:22.760
that that gave me a huge upper hand because a

861
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:28.440
lot of the people that experience lifelong sleep prolys to

862
00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:32.960
type stuff. When you really get into a trust situation

863
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:34.920
where they're like, well, let me tell you the whole story. Now,

864
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:40.320
there's often some sort of sexual perversion or addiction now

865
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:45.039
at tasked and so you can deal.

866
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:47.079
With and that's a door they can keep open.

867
00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:49.480
It's a door that they can keep open. And that's

868
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:53.760
why this is a too pronged approach to healing. And

869
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:57.840
it's why calling on the name of Jesus works because

870
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:01.199
Jesus is very merciful and kind to those who are

871
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:04.639
struggling with sin, and so he will come and rescue you.

872
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:07.960
But it's a dual pronged approach where you have to

873
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:11.840
deal with what initially opened the door, whether it was

874
00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:15.920
you or someone else, and then you have to deal

875
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:19.400
with all of the coping mechanisms that were developed through

876
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:24.039
the years to help you through the trauma, through the fear,

877
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:27.440
through the depression, through the abuse, through the nightmares. And

878
00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:31.440
so a lot of times with deliverance ministries, you're getting

879
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:33.960
one or the other. You're going to like a deliverance

880
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:37.760
ministry and they're praying to the source and they're casting

881
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:40.440
out all the ancestral demons and cleansing the bloodline and

882
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:43.199
all that, or you're going to Christian counseling and they're

883
00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:45.920
talking about the trauma and the addiction and the rejection.

884
00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:52.760
But you really need both to completely overcome. Now, with

885
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:57.199
that said, and here's where it gets even more nuanced, Bennett.

886
00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:01.199
Let's say you're a born again Christian. You've prayed to

887
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:04.760
the source, You've closed the door, you've shut off the

888
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:08.239
ancestral curse. You have become the generation that has overcome this.

889
01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:12.639
You're working on the rejection and the trauma, your overcoming

890
01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:16.880
sin and addiction. You are learning to worship and to fast.

891
01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:20.559
Fasting is a huge tool in the arsenal of spiritual

892
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:24.719
warfare by way of overcoming addiction and things like that.

893
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:32.159
But here's the nuance. A lot of people, even after

894
01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:37.800
the sleep paralysis and the paranormal activity stops, the dream

895
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:42.960
realm is still very exhausting and spiritual and perplexing to them,

896
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:46.360
and so then they continue to live under the shame

897
01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:50.159
and fear that they haven't been delivered, and so there

898
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:52.119
must be more work to be done, or I must

899
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:54.280
be doing something wrong, or I'm not really a Christian.

900
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:58.559
Like people can even like abandon their faith over this

901
01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:01.519
because how come for other people it goes away and

902
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:06.199
I still have this facet of it. I don't have

903
01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:09.039
the sleep prolysis anymore, Bennett, I haven't had it for years,

904
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:14.079
but I will very occasionally have dream within a dream

905
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:17.239
sleep proalysis, which is not as intense, and it's more

906
01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:19.559
of a lucid out of body in the dream, where

907
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:24.280
you're watching yourself having sleep prolysis, and you don't feel

908
01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:27.480
it the same way as when it's the real thing.

909
01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:34.599
I also have a lot of this mall world garbage,

910
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:39.239
and sometimes, like the other night, just a couple of

911
01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:42.239
nights ago, because I do pray very specific prayers before

912
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:44.719
I go to bed. The other night, I was in

913
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:49.840
the amusement park in the mall World, and what usually

914
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:54.960
happens is I'm the astro Realm, the astral amusement park.

915
01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:59.360
And so I always think of that Travis Scott album

916
01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:05.440
cover with oh yes talking about and that's called right,

917
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:07.079
Yeah they.

918
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:09.480
Know, but that's what I think of, Wow they know?

919
01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:13.400
Uh yes, yeah. So the other night, I'm it's a

920
01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:16.039
recurring dream. I'm always there with a very particular friend

921
01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:18.519
of mine, and the park is full of people and

922
01:02:18.519 --> 01:02:22.000
everyone's screaming and having a great time, and we'll go

923
01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:26.360
on the roller coaster one time, and it's a really intense, insane,

924
01:02:26.519 --> 01:02:30.239
couldn't even be real in real life. Roller coaster and

925
01:02:30.679 --> 01:02:34.599
then I always say, let's go on it again. And

926
01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:38.800
when we go on it a second time, everyone in

927
01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:42.079
the park disappears and it's dark and the roller coaster

928
01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:44.679
is broken, and I'm now on this broken roller coaster.

929
01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:47.719
So the other night here I am with my friend

930
01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:50.000
and we rode the roller coaster and I say to her,

931
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:55.840
let's ride it again, and bam, I woke up and

932
01:02:56.320 --> 01:02:58.400
I just knew. The Lord was like, We're not going there.

933
01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:00.760
I'm protecting you. You're not going there, you know. And

934
01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:02.440
I'm like, oh, thank you Jesus. So I still have

935
01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:05.480
this stuff. And one of the frustrations for me, Bennett,

936
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:08.960
in this kind of ministry is I feel like I

937
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:13.159
want to tell people this can go away forever and

938
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:16.400
never come back. Well, the sleep paralysis can, you can

939
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:21.760
definitely get rid of that with the dream warfare. The

940
01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:25.360
problem is is that as long as we're on Earth

941
01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:29.960
in fallen flesh, the demons are going to always be

942
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:33.159
attempting to get at us. They're always going to be

943
01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:34.559
at our backs.

944
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:40.119
They're always going to give permission to mess with you somehow.

945
01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:42.519
Yes, And and part of that.

946
01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:44.599
Yeah, it's impossible not to.

947
01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:49.119
I don't exactly and part of that is the training

948
01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:54.480
that that's how we learn our authority is we interface

949
01:03:54.559 --> 01:03:57.039
with these things and we learn to start wielding the

950
01:03:57.079 --> 01:04:01.599
sword of the spirit offensively instead of defensively. So when

951
01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:03.599
you're a kid, it's like, Jesus help me, Jesus help me.

952
01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:06.079
Jesus help me. Jesus helped me. And then as we

953
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:08.079
get older and we come to know our authority, we say,

954
01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:10.280
in the name of Jesus, get out, and we wield

955
01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:14.480
that sword like it's learning learning the muscle memory to

956
01:04:14.679 --> 01:04:19.039
like wield the sword. We're learning spiritual warfare. So here's

957
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:23.320
the nuance of does it ever go away? A lot

958
01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:27.480
of times people that have had life long dream attacks

959
01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:35.480
also have prophetic type experiences in their dream world. And

960
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:38.400
I don't mean predicting the future. I'm not into all

961
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:44.079
of this Christian you know, soothsaying garbage prophecy doesn't mean

962
01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:50.440
you can predict the future. The prophets weren't ultimately assigned

963
01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:54.840
to predict the future. They weren't, you know, crystal ball readers.

964
01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:59.840
What profits are in the Biblical sense is someone who

965
01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:07.679
can completely understands the Covenant. They understand the Word of God,

966
01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:12.639
they understand these are the blessings and the curses. Consequences

967
01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:17.440
would be a better word. And the prophets were always

968
01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:22.400
giving Israel a litmus test of where they were on

969
01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:27.239
the spectrum of obedience, of walking and covenant. Okay, this

970
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:30.480
is what's going to happen if you keep walking out

971
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:33.400
of covenant. This is what's going to happen if you repent.

972
01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:36.840
And so when I talk about a prophetic dream, I

973
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:39.119
don't mean you're predicting all the world events and you

974
01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:41.599
know the date of the end times and you saw

975
01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:44.599
all the UFOs land on the White House lawn, and like,

976
01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:52.360
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about you have

977
01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:59.239
encounters in your dreams that are of a spiritual nature,

978
01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:04.960
but they're not evil, okay. And so in a sense,

979
01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:13.159
what I'm getting at with all of this is some

980
01:06:13.239 --> 01:06:18.760
of the people that are experiencing dream warfare and it

981
01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:24.519
doesn't go away. Is because if the church is not

982
01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:29.039
going to equip the body, it's not going to teach

983
01:06:29.119 --> 01:06:32.199
us about spiritual warfare. And we're going to need to

984
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:35.880
know how to interface and do war with these things

985
01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:38.280
because some people will be alive and have to interface

986
01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:41.199
with these things. How is God going to raise up

987
01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:45.320
an army if the Church isn't doing the training and

988
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:49.800
the equipping. So for some people, contrary to what the

989
01:06:49.880 --> 01:06:52.679
church believes, you're having all of this demonic attack because

990
01:06:52.960 --> 01:06:55.320
you've opened all these doors and you're not really a Christian,

991
01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:58.400
or you must have a secret sin. In some cases,

992
01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:04.400
the person is having lifelong dream warfare because they're learning

993
01:07:04.599 --> 01:07:09.480
spiritual warfare because they have a calling. And at some point,

994
01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:11.960
when the crap hits the fan and we have an

995
01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:15.840
ignorant church perishing for lack of knowledge, we are going

996
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:18.639
to have to have a remnant of people who aren't

997
01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:21.880
afraid of these things and know how to recognize them

998
01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:23.880
and know how to fight them. And so I always

999
01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:27.920
tell people be very careful because we all want to

1000
01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:30.719
be the one job in the sea of peters, right.

1001
01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:32.960
We want to be the ones that are being attacked

1002
01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:38.360
because we're perfectly righteous, and there's very few jobs out there, right.

1003
01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:42.159
But the fact is, I do believe that there is

1004
01:07:42.199 --> 01:07:47.480
a remnant of believers that are always going to be

1005
01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:53.880
having heavier dreams than the average person because this is

1006
01:07:54.079 --> 01:08:00.199
a boot camp of sorts for them to learn. There

1007
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:03.480
has to be a remnant of people that understand this stuff,

1008
01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:06.000
and if the church isn't going to teach it, then

1009
01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:08.440
the spirit of God is going to teach it to us.

1010
01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:13.440
And sleep paralysis is one of the ways that we

1011
01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:16.079
learn how to wield that sword.

1012
01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:23.800
Absolutely, So let's leave off with a question I've got

1013
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:32.760
for you. Sure, what's one misconception about your work you

1014
01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:34.079
wish that you could clear it?

1015
01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:35.159
Mm?

1016
01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:40.680
Well, we already addressed some of them today, you know what,

1017
01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:44.439
let me just say, because we all operate out of

1018
01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:47.760
the flesh, right, I'm like everybody else. I don't like

1019
01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:52.119
getting made fun of and mocked. You know, of course

1020
01:08:52.159 --> 01:08:54.359
I don't like that. Nobody does. But I also recognize

1021
01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:56.800
it no matter what I was doing online. If I

1022
01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:02.119
was a supermodel putting out viral cat videos, there'd be

1023
01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:04.159
people who wouldn't like me, right, you know, there's just

1024
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:11.960
there's no absolutely. I think the thing that is the

1025
01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:16.039
hardest for me to bear is when someone is coming

1026
01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:23.039
at me with a hundred percent emotional reaction. They are

1027
01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:31.199
accusing me of some horrible apostasy or witchcraft, but they're

1028
01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:34.359
not citing even one thing I've ever said that gave

1029
01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:39.199
them that impression. It's just a vague, blanket statement. And

1030
01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:43.479
then you check their account to see if they're a bot,

1031
01:09:43.880 --> 01:09:47.399
and right there in the profile it's lover of Jesus,

1032
01:09:47.439 --> 01:09:49.880
pastor father of two, you know, And you're like, what

1033
01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:55.640
you know? When it's when it is a brother or

1034
01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:58.920
sister in Christ that I'm going to spend eternity with.

1035
01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:02.399
It's so.

1036
01:10:08.399 --> 01:10:12.239
I don't even know the adjective, Bennett, but I just think, Okay,

1037
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:20.239
you know, people accused Jesus of having a demon. People

1038
01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:27.600
accuse Jesus of having a demon. And I guess if

1039
01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:32.119
I had, you know, a little magic wand and I could,

1040
01:10:32.199 --> 01:10:36.119
I could shake it in the air and put a

1041
01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:39.039
thought into the head of every single human being on

1042
01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:45.840
planet Earth, it would be this. I love Jesus. I'm fallen.

1043
01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:49.119
I don't know everything. I'm not an expert on this stuff.

1044
01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:52.279
I'm going to get to heaven and be told I

1045
01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:56.880
was completely wrong on things. I'm not claiming to be

1046
01:10:57.239 --> 01:11:06.119
a prophet. I'm not. But in my fallenness, Jesus Christ

1047
01:11:06.199 --> 01:11:12.359
is the most important thing in my life. And I

1048
01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:15.479
struggle on a daily basis, like everybody else, to know

1049
01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:19.079
him more, to love him more, to be more like him.

1050
01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:25.119
But I know we don't live in a world where

1051
01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:29.399
this is ever gonna happen. But I think the biggest misconception,

1052
01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:33.239
the one, the only one that bothers me, is when

1053
01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:36.119
brothers and sisters in Christ don't recognize me as a

1054
01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:43.920
sister in Christ. It's hurtful. And yet I'm comforted because

1055
01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:50.560
Jesus was accused of having a demon. Yeah, but it's

1056
01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:55.159
it's tough. I don't I would. I would rather have

1057
01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:58.560
the She's ugly. What happened to her face? She's an alien?

1058
01:11:58.600 --> 01:11:59.319
Is she even a human?

1059
01:11:59.359 --> 01:11:59.399
Like?

1060
01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:01.039
I'm used to that stuff because I've had it since

1061
01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:05.159
I was you know, three year goals. I can handle

1062
01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:08.000
that stuff. I can. I can brush that off really quickly.

1063
01:12:09.319 --> 01:12:12.960
But when I have a brother or sister blatantly accusing

1064
01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:20.720
me of being apostate or or into witchcraft or that,

1065
01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:23.279
that's really hurtful. When it's friendly fire and it's coming

1066
01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:24.000
from my own.

1067
01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:30.640
Team, yeah, that's brutal, it is. Nope, Nope, But what

1068
01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:33.039
do you do? Tell everybody where they can find you?

1069
01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:36.319
Yep, you do buy me at vickyjoy Anderson dot com

1070
01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:38.720
and every you can find everything on that. All the

1071
01:12:39.079 --> 01:12:42.479
links to my socials are on the home page books

1072
01:12:42.520 --> 01:12:48.159
where you can buy them events conferences, albeit at email podcasts.

1073
01:12:48.199 --> 01:12:50.439
And one thing I like to point out Bennett on

1074
01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:55.600
my contact page is a calendly dot com link and

1075
01:12:55.880 --> 01:13:02.359
every Thursday from morning till evening, I do free one

1076
01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:06.840
time forty minute zoom calls, So it's free of charge,

1077
01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:12.359
and it's specifically for people who are experiencing any type

1078
01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:15.159
of sleep, paralysis, or paranormal activity, anything that they think

1079
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:18.680
is witchcraft or a cult related. But even if you

1080
01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:22.880
don't have the intense stuff, if you're struggling in your faith,

1081
01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:26.319
if you're discouraged, if you feel alone and isolated in

1082
01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:30.399
your Christian walk, if you just want some biblical encouragement

1083
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:32.520
or someone to pray for you, Me and one of

1084
01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:37.279
my ministry partners will be available all day every Thursday,

1085
01:13:37.479 --> 01:13:41.760
and that calendar dot Com link is on the contact

1086
01:13:41.920 --> 01:13:44.800
section of my website. Vicky Joy Anderson and we.

1087
01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:51.880
Added to the notes too independently, So for sure it's

1088
01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:56.319
always a pleasure to speak with you, me too. Thank care.

1089
01:13:57.119 --> 01:14:00.720
O dog with a wado match just like room had

1090
01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:01.439
teething and.

1091
01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:05.399
Warning, my breath trying to scream, but the ear wouldn't move.

1092
01:14:05.479 --> 01:14:08.199
In the silence of laughs, I get had something to improve.

1093
01:14:08.760 --> 01:14:11.279
I've heard him say, it's only stressing your head. Butter

1094
01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:14.319
seeing that shadow standing ride by the bed. If this

1095
01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:16.479
is a war, don't stop at the door.

1096
01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:19.439
So I'm not pretending I don't feel it anymore.

1097
01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:20.680
I don't want.

1098
01:14:20.640 --> 01:14:25.239
Paddy, I want city. I don't want by want of thirty.

1099
01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:29.199
If you've been there, you know it's real, if you've been.

1100
01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:30.520
Mad, I don't just out be.

1101
01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:41.239
I'm taking the accent ralut noise, shoe up, the prey,

1102
01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:44.920
the change, the stalls of voise, not ing.

1103
01:14:45.159 --> 01:14:52.239
Round up like stad lying by the water on toll.

1104
01:14:52.039 --> 01:14:57.439
And ground again. Yeah, I'm taking the exit ram.

1105
01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:09.239
No I'm not alone, but something just say Jesus like

1106
01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:11.720
it's a quick fix, like a bandage on a woman's

1107
01:15:11.720 --> 01:15:14.319
stition through the blood line, tricks some doors I didn't know.

1108
01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:18.079
Somebody didn't see the legal asky reaching for a claim

1109
01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:20.520
on me. So I'm after out the crash where the

1110
01:15:20.600 --> 01:15:24.119
darkness got in, old vows, old wounds, old shame dressed

1111
01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:24.800
up as skin.

1112
01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:27.800
Not everybody last in one prince at fist.

1113
01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:30.640
Sometimes freedom means digging up the roots of the past.

1114
01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:33.319
And if my mind I throwing stove top.

1115
01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:36.640
But call it banguay. I never lived through though. If

1116
01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:40.119
you clean, I won't fire play.

1117
01:15:40.039 --> 01:15:42.079
With you till the night gets tied.

1118
01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:49.680
I'm taking a right now, I'm stamping now. I call

1119
01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:56.800
it a pass the change, stand the voice, not from outside.

1120
01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:06.760
I'm learning anything. Stand by my white dollard. Call your feel.

1121
01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:26.399
And I'm not the cisant superstitster's promissing and promising revolts

1122
01:16:26.760 --> 01:16:31.079
day man, it's a battle field behind the swoop the fresh.

1123
01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:35.680
Stop shooting your wound, stocking fields and fear with lies

1124
01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:40.840
so on. Accent was st accent.

1125
01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:45.760
But we're headed to the same.

1126
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:48.439
King, same cross, same crown.

1127
01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:53.039
And if you can't see the don't tell me to

1128
01:16:53.560 --> 01:16:58.560
calm down. In the name of Jesus Christ of a

1129
01:16:58.680 --> 01:16:59.600
young clean thing.

1130
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:06.319
Now this house, despite this night, government claim shut down.

1131
01:17:08.279 --> 01:17:12.119
I'm taking the accent raun, I'm stepping.

1132
01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:18.880
Out noise coming down, I'm tahing the raid, the jaesuss noise,

1133
01:17:19.159 --> 01:17:27.399
and not running from the acts. Stand my word in

1134
01:17:27.680 --> 01:17:28.640
the round.

1135
01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:32.199
Tail and I'm taking the exit.

1136
01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:37.039
Raim not down.

1137
01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:42.920
No, I'm not a

1138
01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:48.880
I'm not a little