Feb. 4, 2026

The Man Behind Small Town Monsters (Seth Breedlove Interview)

The Man Behind Small Town Monsters (Seth Breedlove Interview)
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In this episode of Broadcasting Seeds, host Bennett Tanton speaks with Seth Braidlove, an independent filmmaker and founder of Small Town Monsters, a company dedicated to creating documentaries about cryptids and high strangeness. They discuss the evolution of independent documentaries, the personal connections to cryptid stories, and the impact of location on sightings. Seth shares insights into the filmmaking process, the balance between journalism and cinematic art, and his future projects, including a new series on UFOs and a mini-series on Bigfoot. The conversation also touches on the importance of faith and pursuing one's passions.

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The fact is, no one takes these stories seriously outside

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of us, the community that kind of group around, you know,

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cryptids and Bigfoot and the people that are into this stuff.

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No one takes this seriously outside of this community and

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these people. So if we don't actively do our best

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to preserve the story as it actually happened, no one

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else will and most of the stuff will just kind

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of disappear.

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All right, Hello everyone, Welcome back to another episode of

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Broadcasting Seeds. I'm your host Bennett Tantan, and today we

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have Seth Breed Love. Seth. Tell us who you are,

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what you do, and where is the best place for

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people to find you?

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Who I am? I am a independent, we independent filmmaker,

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I guess is the easiest way to put it. I

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run a company called Small Town Monsters, and we make

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documentaries about cryptids and legends and legendary creatures and events

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and stuff like that around the US. We've been around

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for ten years. We've made I don't know, we've made at.

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A whole lot.

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It's like I saw a trailer someone on that. Our

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social media girl put up a video on the account

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the other day and I saw it and it said

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over thirty movies, and I was like, yeah, that's accurate.

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I think it's closer to forty, but it's kind of

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hard to keep track of at a certain point. So yeah,

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we've made I don't know, somewhere between thirty and forty films,

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and then we do weekly uploads on our YouTube channel

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as well. So we've produced I think probably in the

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neighborhood of like three hundred hours worth of stuff over

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over ten years, not counting like the podcasts we did

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early on and stuff like that. So uh, And I'm

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a dad and my hobby is I read comic books,

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and I do a podcast about comic books, and then

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I collect toys, and so I'm a pretty boring, boring

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middle aged man.

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Y'all. Yeah, what's the best way to find you guys?

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Oh, good question. Yeah. I mean our website is small

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Town Monsters dot com.

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Uh.

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I know that there's a lot of the you know,

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the the DVDs and Blu rays of the movies and

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stuff are available on there. The YouTube channel is probably

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the best place to go to find like kind of

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a one stop shop for everything, although it doesn't have everything,

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you know, like if you have a favorite streaming platform.

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We probably have something on it as long as it's

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not Netflix. Other than Netflix, we've kind of we're kind

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of everywhere, so you can find us on to B

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and Amazon and Apple TV and all that stuff.

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Yeah, I just found to be so I was like,

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I'd looked through and I was like, holym only. Yeah,

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there's so much content on there that you don't realize,

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which is pretty cool.

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So yeah, they've been weird for the last year and

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a half two years with independent independent docs. I've been

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told by uh by like people behind the scenes that

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they've they've stopped accepting like paranormal specifically docs. But I've

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also been told it's just kind of a blanket lack

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of acceptance of independent stuff in general. So I don't

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know we have. It's funny because we did just get

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picked up though. Donna the dog Man's going to be

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on there I think in a week, so they're picking

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up newer docks still, but just it's way less common.

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I wonder if someone bought them.

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I forget what the official the word I heard is

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they didn't like the fact that they were kind of

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becoming the butt of all these jokes about like crappy movies,

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you know, that were on the platform, so they were

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getting more selective. I think it probably that might be accurate,

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but I think people are really leary about documentaries right now.

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Amazon shut it down back in twenty twenty during the

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first election, they cut they cut ties with independent docs

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in general. You can get an independent doc on the

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platform because of the conspiracy theory stuff. I don't know

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if it's something similar to that. It might be, but

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it also it's a lot to QC to quality control

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the level of content that they were being pitched, because

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I can tell you because of I mean you're there.

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They were looking at doc dumps of like a thousand

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hours worth of content at a time coming in and

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that's a lot of stuff to try to q S

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and make sure it fits their standards. So it could

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be that too.

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Yeah, I mean that's just it's next to impossible. So yeah. Yeah,

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and we in this genre seemed to be quite prolific

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at putting out not everyone, but people can put out

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some pretty decent content, yeah, really rapidly. So yeah, the overwhelm.

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They can also put out some really bad cond Oh god, yes,

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of course you can. I think that's like that was

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the other big thing with two B that I kept

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hearing was that it was just the amount of like

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stuff they were getting that that was nowhere near It

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just sucks, yeah, the quality standards. But I agree, like

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I do think I've seen more quality stuff in terms

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of video content. I've seen more quality than i've seen

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like crap.

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So yeah, you know this, it just makes you wonder

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how much stuff it's just not seeing. Yeah, yeah, just

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just tons. Yeah. It's one of those things too. Like

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I know a couple people that are like in the

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I would even call them like D movie genre type folks,

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and I don't understand how they make money because some

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of their films are just awful and they but they

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they're they, I don't know.

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It's it's a weird thing. It's like that you want

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to encourage people to to follow their passion, but you

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also want to be like, maybe you should consider learning

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how to.

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Rice, right, I mean, even like big name actors are

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in awful, awful movies like you go through like someone

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like just just an example, someone's uh movieography I went

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through the other day is Keanu Reeves, and something like

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eighty percent of his movies have been completely horrendously awful,

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not even just like okay, no horrific bad. So yeah,

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and most movies lose money, so I don't see, like

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I'm like, where's the investment here?

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But anyway, yeah, well that's a that's a scam. Yeah,

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that side of it I always find find funny. Like

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I think the amount of people i'd know and I've

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known who've gotten involved in like bad investments with film,

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that's too many to count. We've always done We've always

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tried to stay you know, like we do the Kickstarter

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every year, but that's basically like a extended pre order campaign.

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I mean, you know, like we we try to give

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more back than we then people put in. Sure, we've

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never really taken investments because it's we we work on

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such a tight budget that if you take an investment,

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it's you're starting already in the hole, you know, to

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a level that you might not get out of. So yeah,

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it's so up and down too, Like so much of

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this stuff doesn't hit, you know, like projects that I

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talked to people. People someone will tell me like their

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their favorite movie, and I'll be like, oh, thank you

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for watching it, because that's like that was a huge bomb.

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That that that was an awful bomb.

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Yeah, that was that was one of the we lost

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so much money on that. Thank you for watching that. Yeah,

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a lot of a lot of them are like that.

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But yeah, I mean, end of the day, the good

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thing is Avod is really you know, like your two

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b's and stuff have really give given a second life

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to a lot of projects. Like Momo was a huge

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flop when it came out on Amazon and stuff, and

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then over time it kind of found an audience through

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you know, either subscription Prime or the ad supported stuff

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with TV and even even YouTube.

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Man, So before we get too far off here, I

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I asked the first question I asked, which we kind

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of went in we're already nine minutes in, is how

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what so obviously small town monsters. It's in the name

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cryptids and other high strangeness, right, it's just what I

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like to call it. What got you into this world

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of high strangeness?

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I didn't. I didn't have an awareness of this stuff

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until like two thousand and two, and that was that

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was just because of the Richard gear mof Me a

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Prophecies movie. My sister brought home a copy of John

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Keele's book, but it was like a paperback version and

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it had the poster as the cover instead of instead

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of like, you know, whatever fantastic artwork was gracing the

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cover of that book. But that was the first time

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I can remember being like, oh, this is like a thing,

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like people actually think they were encountering like real aliens

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and it's not just fiction. That was the first thing

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I can remember. And then, you know, maybe like half

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a decade past or something. And I had a friend

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that ran the tape room the sound booths at my

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church with me and him and I were in there

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and he was like, he came in one day and

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he goes, you seem like you're kind of weird like me,

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and he's like, you probably like this stuff, and you

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give me a DVD he had burned or CD rom

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or something, and it had a bunch of documentaries from

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television about UFOs and Bigfoot and stuff like that. And

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I remember going home and watching the entire thing over

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the course of that day, and then I just kept

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rewatching it over and over, and then then I was

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fully invested. There used to be a library right down

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the road from where I worked at the time, and

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where I worked at the time was for my parents,

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so I kind of did what I wanted, and so

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I'd walk to the library and get middle of the day,

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I'd go walk to the library and get books on

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Bigfoot or whatever. I remember there was a casebook I

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think it's called the Bigfoot Casebook, and I brought it

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back to the to the store, to the building where

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I worked, and I sat in the back with my

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feet up on my table and read that book. And

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somewhere in that book was a section on the mirv

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a monster, and reading that kind of sparked a memory

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from when I was way younger. We used to have

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a friend, Gary Rennicker, who would who would hang out

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hang out with us when we were kids, and uh,

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he was older than us, but he knew all about

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the neighborhood and stuff and the town. And I could

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remember him talking to us about minerv of the minerval

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monster when we were a kid, when when we were kids.

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And then I got excited because then I was like, Okay,

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so there's like a history of this stuff in this area.

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And then I started then I started really diving into it.

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And you know, I told the story and on the

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trailym Pickfoot. But that sparked an interest in it in

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me as far as Bolivar was concerned, because that's where

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I grew up. And I started looking into Bolivar bigfoot

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reports and found out there were some. And and around

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the same time, the guy that gave me that CD

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Rahm or DVD whatever it was, had started telling me

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about how his dentist had a ranch outside of Bolivar

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and she was a sighting witness, like she had seen bigfoot.

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And I was like, Oh, that's cool, that's cool. And

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but then the story kept evolving and it got to

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the point she came to my wedding I was getting married.

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She was also the dentist of my max wife, and

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she came to the wedding and Don and I grilled

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her for like thirty minutes during the middle of the

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reception about her bigfoot sighting. And it turned out it

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wasn't just like a sighting. It was like this ongoing

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activity that the entire family had been experiencing for like twenty.

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Years, oh, like generational.

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Yeah, her kids had had experienced it and seen these things,

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and it was a wild story like she was telling

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us about, like you know, that they had a ranch,

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so they had horses and they would follow the bigfoots

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would come up to the back of the house, and

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they'd follow the bigfoots on horseback to a cave where

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they lived, and just stuff that seemed really out there.

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And you know, but she was a really legit witness

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and her husband was a district attorney at the time,

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and so they were very believable. But the stuff they

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were saying was pretty wild. And then I would start

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Then I started driving around down there all hours, like

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you know, like I said, my parents, I worked for

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my parents, not a bollivar, so I could kind of

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do what I wanted. So I'd drive around on those

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back roads and i'd talk to people. If I saw

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someone walking or whatever, I'd pull over and tried to

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talk to them and ask them if they had experienced anything,

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if they'd ever seen a bigfoot, you know, just your

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average everyday questions. And and I started meeting people who

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had And then I came to find out that, like

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during the seventies, there had been a huge rash of

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sightings do down in and around that same area where

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the ranch was, and it kind of tapered off in

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the in the nineties. But which makes sense because that

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area was all privately owned strip mine land, and they

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had only recently started selling off small parcels of it

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for development. Today it's actually there's a whole development back

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there with I don't know how many houses, probably thirty

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forty houses people living, So I don't I'd be shocked

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if still, you know, if there's still activity going on

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down there, because on the one side of that area

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is seventy seven cuts right through there, and so a

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major highway is running right through there. But definitely, at

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one point in time that was a very active area,

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and that got me excited, and I wanted to learn

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more about it. And what really got me excited beyond

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that was the historical stuff, like the earliest reports in

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the state of Ohio, because I thought, if I could

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establish at least for myself that there's a history of

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this stuff happening here, you know, maybe there's more validity

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to it than what I thought. And so I started,

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you know, looking into that side of things, and I

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found a lot of different newspaper articles and just archival

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material relating back to like wild men and things like that.

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The Norwalk Ape Gallipolis, Ohio, has this big sighting for

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the eighteen hundreds that's considered one of the earliest reports

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in the country. So yeah, I just that's where got

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me fully invested in it.

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Yeah, there's I mean, I'm shocked at how many sightings

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there are in eastern Ohio. Like it's it's wild. There's

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so much there in western Pa. You know, it's like this,

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that's that where you're an agent. I'm in upstate New York,

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but I do a lot of I do a lot

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of research in Allegheny National Forest.

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So yeah, I I Eastern Ohio is weird too, because

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you know, especially like up near Mark Matski, who does

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a lot of stuff with us. He lives up near

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Painesville kind of in that area, and it's not really

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I mean you're kind of on the outskirts of Cleveland.

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It's not a place you would expect there to be activity,

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but there's activity there that goes back like a century

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at least. Yeah, major flaps have happened in that part

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of the state. And then you start looking at like

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kai Huka Valley, which is this National park that's tucked

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in between two of the biggest metropolitan areas in the state.

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It's right out between right Yeah.

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Yeah, In fact, like the Akron and Cleveland Metro Police

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actually patrol like sections of the park because it's a

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weird it's a very weird national park because you've got

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you've got the met there's the National Park, but then

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you can be in the National Park and all of

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a sudden you'll walk past the hike, past a sign

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that says you are now in the Akron Metro Park,

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you know, and it's it's a very odd So they have, yeah, cops,

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cops patrol that from from from those two cities. But

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it's also like in terms of this state and what

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is reported and then you know, regurgitated to the to

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the public, the b f R has more reports from

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Cayhoga Valley National Park than any other section of the

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entire state of Ohio any definitely any other park. But

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I really think if you just look at like county

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by county, the counties that that park sets within are

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probably three of the biggest, uh, you know, counties for

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reports in the state, which is that's also just the

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fact that there's so many people there, you know, so

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people are going to make stuff up, obviously. But but

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I've interviewed witnesses who've had encounters in Cuyahoga Valley that

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were very believable, and I've I've experienced stuff there to

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some extent, nothing crazy, but enough that it makes me

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curious as to what's actually going on there. It's not

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like it doesn't make sense.

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No, right, I mean it's one of those things too,

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Like the big hotbed in Pennsylvania, Western Pa is right

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outside Pittsburgh, you know, and so as you know, it's

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a lot of it has to do with, you know,

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population density as well, because like, like we have the

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at Arondack Park up here, and it's massive, but the

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thing is there's no freaking people.

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So it's like one of the reasons it gets overlooked. Yeah,

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Like the Adirondacks gets overlooked on like almost every level

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it gets.

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It gets I've had tons of not tons, but I've

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had a few incidents or what would you call them

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encounters up there. But I'm out there looking for it,

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and but where do you go? So I so one

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of the places I really focused because there's just so

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much empty land, is what's called the tug Hill Plateau,

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and it's like the foothills of the at Arondacks, right,

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So you've got places like I mean, it's a Sportsman's Haven.

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And it's literally all state land. I mean because at

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Arondacks that's a state park. It's not a people think

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it's like a national park. It's just not. It's it's

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all New York state land. But basically, if you go

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from I eighty one uh in Oswego County and just

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go east as far like up to like Watertown or

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even up farther to it's called Governor down to like

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the Oswego Onondaga County line, and just go east, it's

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nothing but yeah, forest and farms. That's it.

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That's That's what when I made Beast of boy Hall.

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That was the thing that like blew me away about

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it was I grew up traveling, you know, around the

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around the country, especially the East coast and south, you know,

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the Southern States. It's my parents owned a bookstore and

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we did book shows every weekend. So I grew up

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sleeping in hotel rooms and stuff like that, and so

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we like we traveled all over the place and somehow

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and in all that time, I'd never been to the Adirondacks.

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And so to drive, you know, five six hours out

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of Ohio and be in that level of like isolated

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wilderness was wild to me because you don't hear about

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That's what I'm saying. You don't hear about the Adirondacks enough.

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It's on any level tourism, it should be a tourist hotbed,

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and it is. Some of those places. Yeah, some of

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the places are like Lake Placids kind of overrun. But

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like George, like George is gorgeous, but like it still

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just seems to me like that should be, man, everyone

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should be going there.

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That place is beautiful, Yeah, that whole I mean, and

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this is all of like upstate New York. It's like,

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I mean, people don't understand that. It's just desolate. It is.

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There's no one. There's not a lot. I mean obviously

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in the summer it gets it and then winter sports too,

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like places like up in Old Forge and you have

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skiing and places like that. But other than that, man,

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it is just an unexplored hotbed of in my opinion,

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cryptid but really bigfoot. But uh yeah, either way, I.

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Want to do more up there. We're always talking Mark,

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my friend Mark goes up there multiple times a year

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now to hike. Ever since you know, we discovered it

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together through small town monsters and that's like his place

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now is to go up there and go hiking and

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it's quiet.

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It's quiet.

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Yeah. See I got distracted. I got distracted by the

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smoky mountains.

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So that's been mind you, which again amazing. I love

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the smoking.

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Yeah, but that's the same, that's what you you don't

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The downside to the Smokies is Gatlinburg and the just

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I mean, I like Gatlinburg. I've grown up going there,

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but it's overrun with people and they're all over you know,

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the parks. Now, the park that was it was so

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exciting to me to discover like the fam my family,

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my dad's side of the family. They're all from the

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Bryson City area, and so they discover that side of

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the park. I was like, ah, this is amazing. So now,

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like my wife and I every year for the last

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like four years, we've gone to Gatlinburg as like our

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couple work, our couple's work trip. Like we'll go down

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and we'll do some filming and stuff, but then we're

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also on a vacation. We stopped this year, we just

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went to Bryson City. So I was like, God, I

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don't I don't really want to deal with the tourism

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and stuff and go over to Bryson City and the

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food's better. There's less people. You can go on a

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hike and you're not you know, getting bowled over by

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to regard everybody. Yeah, that is that is an upside

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to the adder Ondecks too, I guess, I know, I know,

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I know. There definitely is an influx, especially in the

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High High Peaks wilderness. So like there's it does so

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that's kind of blown up in recent years.

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It has. I think a lot of it has to

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do too, is that people. I don't you know, it's

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it's just it's kind of cool that people are getting

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you know, they're touching grass and getting out there and

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hiking and doing real stuff. And so I don't want

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to dissuade any of that, right, especially because the add

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around have to have the all the mountains over four thousand.

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So what is it the forty forty nine ers or

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forty forty eight they call it, or whatever the heck

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it is. It's there's forty something with peaks the High

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Peaks region, so people, uh, you know, they gamify it,

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and that's part of I think that's part of a

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lot of the traffic up there now. But with that

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being said, had sightings have gone way up in recent years,

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so that's kind of cool.

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It is like, but places like Wells get overlooked then

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because Wells absolutely like Wells is crazy. You go up

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into the hills outside of Wells and you're in the

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middle of nothing. No, it's it's very cool. It's it's like, yeah,

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I want to do more there because we just haven't

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done enough. We did, we did a a Beast of

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Whitehall and then we did on the trail of Bigfoot

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the Journey, but we kind of like, I haven't managed

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to get back up there to do much. So that'll

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probably when I'm done with my Smokey's stuff. That's probably

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where I'm going to go next.

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Yeah. I like the North Carolina side of the Smokies.

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It's just because it's quieter, yeah, which is pretty I

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was just down there actually this past we can not

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not there. I did drive through Ashville, but I was

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down at Clemson U and drove through the there's a

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National forest just up from there. Trying to remember the

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name of it. I think it might be Sumpter, but

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I think they changed the name either way. And I

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stopped and it was pretty cool. It's just a good

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that's a pretty good area too be just just because

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of the water, so much water involved there, the lakes along,

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none of them are are natural That's the exactly, And

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that's one of those things, especially that hidden history.

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Side of it.

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Yea, it gets to me. Yeah, I'll probably be doing

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an episode about that area because I was just down there,

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filmed a little bit, took a bunch of pictures. It

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was awesome, So I.

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Yeah, I love that. I love that area, but learning

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about it has been the real thrill for me is

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like just learning the history of it. Like we just

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I just found out about that fact that like none

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of those lakes are naturally formed. No, I had no idea.

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Uh.

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And it all ties back to that all co aluminum stuff,

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which I've only ever heard like the negative side of

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of the the dams and all that, you know, because

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my family, I had family that lived in Fontana you

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know where where I mean the Fontana Lake and Fontana Damn.

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There's like multiple towns at the bottom of that, communities

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that were at the you know that are now at

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the bottom of Fontana Yeah lake. That's the next episode

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of My Smoking Mountain thing. That I'm working on is

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all about Fontana. That just keeps me coming back. And

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then you like the Bigfoot stuff almost becomes just gravy.

464
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.400
It's on top of it, right on top of that,

465
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:53.880
and you can connect with your like my family roots

466
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:55.880
and stuff. That's that's been cool because I just never

467
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:59.039
had I'd never spent a lot of time thinking about

468
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:02.480
my ancestors or any of that until I went down there,

469
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:07.680
and I grew up hearing about like my family's connection

470
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.039
to the Smokies. But I hadn't. I hadn't realized, like, man,

471
00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:15.640
my family was in there. You know, one hundred years

472
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:18.519
before there was a Bryson City, they were, they were

473
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:21.480
living outside of town. I mean, it would have been

474
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:24.799
them in the Cherokee like there's there there wouldn't have been.

475
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.920
Yeah, and the whole Cherokee thing. Man, I that's a

476
00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:36.119
rabbit hole that I think will just never end. It's wild.

477
00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:39.839
Yeah, it's hard to it's hard to get. Like we've

478
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:46.839
we've interviewed, you know, indigenous people from from different cultures

479
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:48.960
and tribes all over the world at this point, I

480
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:52.960
mean British Columbia and out in the pn W and

481
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:57.400
stuff like that. I have had the hardest time getting through, uh,

482
00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:01.640
the barriers that the Cherokee put, which I guess is understandable,

483
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:05.720
like if you look at it right, it's tough to

484
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:11.240
it's tough to get those barriers down and to learn

485
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:13.720
about it. But we did it with with on the

486
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:16.400
Trail of Big Fifty asients. We were able to interview

487
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:21.400
a number of of Indigenous people. But I haven't managed

488
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:23.880
to get there yet with this show I'm doing, with

489
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:26.119
the Smoky show I'm doing, but I haven't. I haven't

490
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.960
tried yet as much either. I've mostly been focusing on

491
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:35.160
I'm still trying to uncover, like my personal connection to

492
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:38.240
the people down there. Like the episode we just put

493
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:45.200
out ended with this factoid that my dad figured out

494
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.079
after we had shot an episode together. My dad was

495
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:51.160
down there with me and we'd found this old cemetery

496
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:54.319
outside of this community called need More, and need More

497
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:56.599
is where like a lot of the breed Loves settled

498
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:02.400
and it doesn't exist anymore where it was basically wiped

499
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:07.079
out in the sixties and seventies because of those dams.

500
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.039
Needmore sat right on the Little Tennessee River, so that

501
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:13.839
was one of the rivers that they dammed, and so

502
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:18.279
need Moore was abandoned and then it's gone and today

503
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:23.680
you can't find anything. There's barely anything left. So we

504
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:28.319
were down there trying to find a cemetery where it'd

505
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:30.119
be one of the oldest cemeteries in the area and

506
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:31.920
it was a place where people were buried that we

507
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.359
might have had some connection to, but we weren't really sure.

508
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:36.000
I just wanted to film it because I knew it

509
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:38.799
was the oldest cemetery and it would have had actual

510
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:41.680
need more residents in it. So we found this cemetery

511
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:45.519
after like hours of searching, we find the cemetery and

512
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.519
then we film it, and then I put the episode out.

513
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:50.759
And then my dad was watching the episode and he

514
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:55.519
noticed a headstone on the final shot of the cemetery.

515
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:58.440
There's like a pan and it kind of ends at

516
00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:04.200
at a headstone in the foreground that said, uh, Matilda

517
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:09.160
or Melinda Freeman, and my dad like something triggered and

518
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:12.200
triggered in his memory because he knew Freeman's were connected

519
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:16.279
to Breedloves. So then I got Heather to start looking

520
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.880
into the Heather's uh, our researcher. I got her to

521
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:23.519
start looking into what the connection is between that specific

522
00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:27.720
Freeman and you know, my family. And then it turned

523
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.559
out that the headstone at the end of the episode

524
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:35.039
that I inadvertently filmed is my great great great grandma.

525
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.119
Oh wow, that's so cool.

526
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:42.079
That's super cool, random like coincidence. And then we get

527
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:44.480
and then like that uncovered all this stuff that was

528
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:47.559
kind of interesting about how she had died the same

529
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:52.759
day as her son and her husband Thomas, and so

530
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.119
the three of them died on the same day of smallpox.

531
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:59.599
And even if you go down to the family cemetery,

532
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.319
my family, there's a it's kind of funny down there

533
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:06.039
outside of Bryson City, right by the Little Tennessee there's

534
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:11.079
Breedlove Mountain, there's Breedlove Lane, and then there's Breedlove Cemetery

535
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:14.279
And if you go to the cemetery, there's tons of

536
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:19.559
infant graves, you know, from flu and smallpox and stuff

537
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:23.839
like that. But that just like I've learned a lot

538
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:28.400
about my family through this. That that makes it I

539
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:32.240
get white people become obsessed with like genealogy, Yeah, because

540
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:37.440
it tells you things about yourself, you know, Like there's

541
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.319
been a lot of characteristics I've learned about from like

542
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.960
ancestors where I'm like, oh, I'm that way. Like travel

543
00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:47.240
has always been a huge part of my family, apparently

544
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:50.960
going back to the eighteen hundreds, because I had a

545
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:57.000
relatives down there who had his heat like he had

546
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.640
he has only seventeen or eighteen kids something like that,

547
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:03.519
and they were just constantly moving around like coast to coast,

548
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:05.720
like they went out to all the way out to

549
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:10.199
the to the west coast and back. And uh, I

550
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:12.719
was like, well, at least I know that's in our blood.

551
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:17.159
Let's just part of the apparently wild.

552
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:18.679
That's just why I'm talking about it.

553
00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:19.960
At this point, I'm just rambling.

554
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:23.800
I don't know. You're You're great, This is about you, man.

555
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:28.679
You know, I do have a question though, what so

556
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.960
with this, I'll being said, what what was the moment

557
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:36.119
that you realize that you wanted to turn like cryptid

558
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.039
documentaries into like your life's work.

559
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:46.559
Well, yeah, that's a good question. The way you worded

560
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:50.119
that is so specific. I don't know what the moment

561
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:55.920
it was. I know that I have like a defect

562
00:34:56.039 --> 00:35:01.400
where I can't I inevitably all all my hobbies become

563
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:07.599
something I like a business. Yeah, it's it's stupid and

564
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:09.599
I don't get it. But it's like something I do

565
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:13.280
where like inevitably I just im in I'm more invested

566
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:17.119
in the hobby than I then I should be or

567
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:19.480
I expected to be or whatever.

568
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:22.840
I'm exactly the same way. I totally understand. Yes, tries

569
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:25.320
my wife insane, insane, but.

570
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:28.960
Yeah, well that was like one of them because like

571
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:34.000
I was working, I was working medical billing at the time,

572
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:39.360
and I just I I floundered around after high school.

573
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:43.480
You know, I'd wanted to be a filmmaker all through

574
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:45.480
high school and that was going to be you know,

575
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:48.480
like I met my director of photography. He worked at

576
00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:52.679
Borders at the time, and I was sitting outside on

577
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.519
a bench with a New York Film Academy flyer and

578
00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:56.880
he came up to me and he was like, you

579
00:35:56.920 --> 00:35:58.599
want to be a filmmaker. I was like yeah, and

580
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:00.119
he's like, oh, so do I. And that's like how

581
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:04.280
we hit it off when we were kids, and and

582
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:06.280
so I've always wanted to do it, but out of

583
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:10.599
high school there was I I wasn't more. I mean,

584
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:14.800
I'm I'm I'm like shockingly stupid, Like I'm I'm one

585
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.679
of the dumbest people I know, like I barely graduated

586
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:18.280
high school.

587
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.400
She doesn't mean you're stupid by any stretching imagination, but

588
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:23.760
I understand.

589
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:26.039
Yes, yeah, yeah, just my I have a hard time

590
00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:33.480
in taking knowledge. But uh we yeah, I just didn't

591
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:35.119
know what I was doing. So for a long time,

592
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:36.920
I just worked for my parents. And then my parents'

593
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:40.440
business went under in like two thousand and five, two

594
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:42.679
thousand and six, and then I had to do something else,

595
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:45.719
so I did, you know, I floundered around at a

596
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:48.400
bunch of different dead end jobs at Driffer, FedEx and

597
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:52.039
all that kind of stuff, and did did landscaping. And

598
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:54.880
I'm not saying FedEx is a dead end job, right,

599
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:58.519
just they fired me after three weeks, so it was

600
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:02.400
definitely not for me. But but I did all that,

601
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:05.559
and then I was doing medical billing, and I was,

602
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:09.400
you know, I was able to do it because I'm

603
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:12.679
like OCD and I can just sit there and focus

604
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.960
on weird stuff and I would. It was a boring job,

605
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:18.039
and so I listened to podcasts the whole day, and

606
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:23.239
at some point I started listening to paranormal podcasts, and

607
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:27.199
you know, like I can remember very early on being

608
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:31.039
a big fan of like Jim Harold and Paranormal Podcast

609
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:34.119
and Astonishing Legends and all that kind of stuff. Astonishing

610
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.400
might not have been around yet. I don't think Astonishing

611
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:42.400
started until right before us, but yeah, that's what really

612
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:44.159
kicked it up. And then I was like, I was

613
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:46.440
also writing for the newspaper at the time. I was

614
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:53.920
a freelance reporter and my articles were about small businesses

615
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:57.000
and independent businesses and stuff like that, and I was like,

616
00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.199
you know, my approach to this would be kind of

617
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:04.440
interesting to do something similar with like bigfoot witnesses. And

618
00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:09.519
so that was where I formulated the idea for small

619
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:13.280
Town Monsters. And I put together a book proposal called

620
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:17.039
small Town Monsters, and I sent it around to all

621
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:22.239
the big publishers at the time, Anomalists. Was this cracks

622
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.639
me up because Anomalist at that time was the big one.

623
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:27.079
I think they had published one of Lyle's books and

624
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:31.400
maybe something by Lauren Coleman or whatever. And I was like,

625
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:34.360
I was like, for sure, I can do this because

626
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.599
I've I'm already a writer, you know, I've got I've

627
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:41.760
got the pedigree. And I sent I sent all these

628
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:45.079
book publishers my proposal and all of them rejected it.

629
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:52.039
Anomalists was rude about it, like when they rejected me too.

630
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:57.639
The funny thing about that was I went to Lauren

631
00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:03.079
Coleman's International cryptos Uology Conference in like twenty seventeen, and

632
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:08.519
the guy that ran Anomalist was there and he comes

633
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:10.159
up to me. He's like, hey, I've wanted to meet

634
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:13.639
you forever. He's like, you ever think about writing a book?

635
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.159
And I was like, yeah, I've actually I submitted a

636
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:18.000
proposal to you guys back in the day. He was

637
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:23.079
very excited about publishing something by me. At the time,

638
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:27.800
I didn't do it, but yeah, yeah, that's wild. The

639
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:30.519
sad thing about yeah, I mean the sad thing about

640
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:32.840
what I do now is I don't get to write

641
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:37.000
as much. But I've considered I've considered going back to

642
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:40.519
the drawing board something, especially because we publish books now.

643
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:43.599
I can't remember what got me on this frame of

644
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:47.199
oh you asked about when I knew I wanted it

645
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:51.079
to be a living a career or whatever. Yeah, that's

646
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:54.960
I took what I put in that book proposal and

647
00:39:55.000 --> 00:40:01.840
that informed the first probably fifteen movies we made. Like

648
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:06.840
not just in such act in your business plan yeah. Basically, yeah,

649
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.719
because because Minerva was in the book, and so was Whitehall,

650
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:13.320
and so was Boggie Creek, and so was moth mana

651
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.440
Point Pleasant, and so was the Chestnut Ridge, and so

652
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:17.599
it was literally like case by case, we kind of

653
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:20.840
went through the book and did the stories that were

654
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:24.880
in it. There was a Flatwoods chapter and all that stuff.

655
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:30.719
So now we made Minerva in twenty We started filming

656
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:35.559
twenty fourteen. It finished and came out in twenty fifteen.

657
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:41.800
But there was no point prior to the premiere of

658
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:46.920
the movie in Minerva, Ohio itself, where I realized I

659
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:49.159
was making a movie. I don't know why that was.

660
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:51.000
If it was because it was a documentary and it

661
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:54.920
wasn't like it just never connected. And then in Minerva

662
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:59.639
there was a we did an event that kind of

663
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:03.880
surround to the launch of the movie, and that even

664
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:06.320
it's crazy to talk about because even in twenty fifteen,

665
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:09.400
there was really no way to make a money on

666
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:15.280
a movie. You you really, the streaming platforms weren't open

667
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:20.679
to us yet, and so you had to do everything physically.

668
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.119
So we were selling copies of that movie on DVD

669
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:25.599
and Blu ray, and that's how we were going to

670
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:29.440
make our money back on it, and so we you know, I,

671
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.480
like I said, I had worked for the newspapers, so

672
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:34.159
I had all these contacts at the newspapers. Because of that,

673
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:38.000
we got all this publicity, free publicity for the movie

674
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:40.719
leading up to it. I mean we had like sixty

675
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:45.280
some cover stories in newspapers across the state over the

676
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.679
course of months, like leading up to the launch of

677
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:51.599
the movie. I did radio shows and TV you know,

678
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:55.360
morning TV shows and all that stuff promoting the movie.

679
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:58.480
But it just never hit me. Yeah, it never hit

680
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:01.159
me that it was a movie until the day of

681
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:06.639
the premiere and then we were we were in the back.

682
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:08.760
We had a bunch of sound issues trying to get

683
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:11.199
this movie premiere to get off the ground. We were

684
00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:13.880
showing it at this little movie theater in downtown Minerva,

685
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:19.000
and I was backstage with someone trying to figure something out.

686
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:21.599
And one of the other people that was helping run

687
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.039
the event came back and they were like, have you

688
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:28.159
seen the front of the theater And I said no,

689
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:30.159
and they were like, walk walk out. You got to

690
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:33.519
go out the side of the building and down around

691
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:36.559
the block. And so I go out through the back

692
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:38.360
and I went down around the block and when I

693
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:41.880
came around the corner of the back of the movie theater,

694
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.800
I saw a line stretching across the street and I

695
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:47.840
was already like a quarter of block down. I mean,

696
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:50.519
I was pretty far from the entrance of the theater

697
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:54.440
even there, and it reminded me of those photos of

698
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:58.000
like Jaws and Star Wars when it came out, you know,

699
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:01.400
and I was like, oh, we made a movie that

700
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:03.440
was like the first time it connected that this is

701
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:06.239
this is like a movie and people were excited about it.

702
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:09.840
So I mean, I'm not comparing what I did.

703
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:13.480
No, but it's still you know, that's that's there's some

704
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:16.840
pride there at least to kind of like, yeah, you know,

705
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:17.639
keep it going.

706
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:20.719
Yeah, yeah, that was that was the moment I was

707
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:25.719
just sorry word, but yes, yeah, I think I said

708
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:29.039
that day, I said, I think we needed, we need

709
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:31.599
to do more of this. So yeah, you know, we

710
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:34.280
just kept doing. Then we went and did Whitehall, and

711
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.559
then Boggy was filming, I mean Boggy we started filming

712
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:41.079
Boggy Greek Monster less than a year after that premiere,

713
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:46.440
and so and in the interim, Beast Whitehall came out,

714
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:50.000
you know. So yeah, and that movie was big for

715
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:54.679
us too, like like you're in upstate New York. We had, uh,

716
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:58.079
there's a there's a channel outside of I don't know where.

717
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:03.800
They're out of Toga Springs or something. It's called Look TV.

718
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:07.559
I don't know if it's still around, but they they

719
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:14.599
contacted us and wanted to wanted to show the movie,

720
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.360
and I said they had a they had run a

721
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:19.360
news broadcast that I wanted to use in the movie.

722
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:21.239
And I was like, I'll give you the rights to

723
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:27.519
show this movie like whenever you want in exchange for

724
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:30.840
the rights to use this clip. And then also you

725
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:35.920
have to promote our premiere. And so they did this whole,

726
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:40.719
like we went to their studios and did the morning

727
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:45.440
news and all that stuff. And then and then they showed.

728
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:51.159
They showed Beast Whitehall for two three years, like almost

729
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:56.159
daily from what I heard on Look TV. And so

730
00:44:56.199 --> 00:44:58.480
I don't know how many people have seen Beast of Whitehall,

731
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:01.000
Like I think it's probably it's probably more than I think.

732
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:04.719
I mean, I've watched it, So yeah, I thought it

733
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:08.400
was great for a long time. That was my That

734
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:10.079
was kind of my favorite. It's still one of my

735
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:12.840
favorites just because of the but there was so much

736
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:15.519
that went into it, like making it behind the scenes.

737
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:19.480
We filmed it twice. I've talked about that before, but yeah,

738
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:21.639
I got in a huge fight with the guys that

739
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:23.519
filmed it with me the first time, and they took

740
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:28.440
the footage, and so I was like, well, I believe

741
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:31.119
what they thought I would do is just not film,

742
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:34.119
you know, just call it a day and consider it

743
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:38.199
a loss in Instead, I got my dad and Brandon and

744
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:41.039
the three of us drove back to Whitehall and shot

745
00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:44.119
the entire movie in a day and a half and

746
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:46.519
then used what footage I still had from my first

747
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:51.199
trip there ye as well. So it's an odd movie

748
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.800
because I'm also like, I had never shot anything. The

749
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.320
first movie had been shot entirely by Alan and Jesse,

750
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.239
so I'd never shot him, shot a movie, never used

751
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:06.079
a never really used a lens with like fixed not

752
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:09.480
fixed but exposure, and didn't know f stops, didn't know

753
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:12.039
any of that, did know how to edit. I edited

754
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:15.960
that movie on premiere elements, which is like the you know,

755
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:21.760
the borderline free version of Ada, right, so and then

756
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:26.280
so to go from that to like the premiere in Whitehall.

757
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:28.039
Some guy came up to me and said that that

758
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:30.760
was the most people he had ever seen in Whitehall,

759
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:33.800
New York at that time. Since then, it's blown up

760
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:36.679
because of the calling contest and all that stuff. But

761
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:41.079
back in twenty sixteen when we did that premiere, this

762
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:42.360
guy came up to me and he was like, this,

763
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:44.559
I've never seen this many people in Whitehall.

764
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:48.960
It's crazy how much how much of your process is

765
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:51.320
journalistic versus like cinematic.

766
00:46:56.800 --> 00:46:59.880
It's fifty to fifty in terms of the run up

767
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:06.280
to the movie, maybe more when you when you ask

768
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:09.760
that question like how what are you thinking?

769
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:15.800
Like, because there's so much of this that it's like

770
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:18.559
you had said that you had never really shot right before,

771
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:21.000
like with with Whitehall. So it's there's there's all the

772
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:23.400
run up, like because during this you've got to have

773
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:27.039
a story right, and it's whether you're whether you're doing

774
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:30.280
the research and then interviewing people, you know what I mean,

775
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:37.280
or are you thinking more in a cinematic type frame

776
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:40.320
where it's like the shots are more important, you know

777
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:40.760
what I mean?

778
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:43.880
Yeah, No, it's definitely not that. For For me. I've

779
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:47.280
always been like, uh, we're very running gun we have

780
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:51.840
to be even today because despite what I've seen online,

781
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:55.079
we are not a billion dollar company, right, right to

782
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:59.079
be very aware of like budgets and and all that

783
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:02.079
stuff at all times or you put everyone out of

784
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:07.360
a job. Yeah, I would say, especially back then, it

785
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:11.000
was way more about what interviews can we get? How

786
00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:13.800
do we get here and get this interview? And there

787
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:18.800
wasn't I do remember during the lead up to Based Way. Hell, though,

788
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:23.159
I watched a bunch of like procedurals, police procedurals, because

789
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:28.000
something about that that case in particular seem to like

790
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:33.719
remind me of, you know, like a police procedural. But

791
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:35.800
I don't think you would see that it is funny

792
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:39.679
when people unless we're being really overt about it. I

793
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:46.280
don't think you typically see cinematic influences in our stuff,

794
00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:50.199
unless unless it's like Momo, where we're like, this should

795
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:55.079
be obvious what we're doing. So now the focus, I

796
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:59.119
guess is ultimately all all journalistic, and then I do

797
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:02.400
try to lead. I mean, now we're I'm blessed with

798
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:05.159
like a crew, so I can be a little more

799
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:08.239
focused on the cinematic side of it, right, And you know,

800
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:11.119
it's Heather's job to come like the art.

801
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:16.639
Side of it. Yeah you know what I mean. Sure, yeah, yeah, I.

802
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:19.239
Wish we had more time. I was just thinking about

803
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:22.800
that today. I wish we had I wish I had

804
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:27.280
more time to really focus on the creative side of it.

805
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:34.599
But it's just not it's not a reality just just

806
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:38.119
based on how this stuff goes for us.

807
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:41.920
Well, it's driven too by you know that you have

808
00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:43.960
to make a living, right, people have to make a

809
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:49.199
living and sometimes uh, it's that you know, the starving

810
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:54.320
artists thing is real and if you if you focus

811
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:57.400
on certain things, like you have a formula basically, right,

812
00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:00.239
so you guys knock out what you and it's not

813
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:03.480
that it's like some conveyor belt, but there's a there

814
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:07.199
was a but there is a flow, right that happens.

815
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:10.920
So yeah, there has to be because and there is

816
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:14.159
with anyone who makes stuff about this. Yeah, these topics,

817
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:17.000
whether it's have to get done. Yeah, you kind of,

818
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:19.519
especially when you've done it for ten years and you've

819
00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:21.760
got three hundred hours under your belt like you do,

820
00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:26.679
kind of you do kind of have a it's almost

821
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.760
like muscle memory from project to project. But the danger

822
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:37.199
there is if you you can't rest on that because

823
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:41.159
there has to be constant improvement, and this is something

824
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:44.360
I We just had a retreat back in November for

825
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:47.480
the STM crew and it was, you know, like we

826
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:49.760
hadn't had one in two or three years where we

827
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:52.920
got everyone together, and I had always wanted to do

828
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:56.280
one of these retreats where it's not just us like

829
00:50:56.679 --> 00:50:59.360
sitting around talking and hanging out and having a good time,

830
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:01.519
but it's also like a chance for us to learn

831
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:03.800
about cinematography or whatever.

832
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:05.000
Yeah, we did this.

833
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:08.159
We did this retreat and we had a guy come

834
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:14.280
and basically give us a refresher on cinematography basics, like

835
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:16.760
the stuff you learn when you're first learning how to

836
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:20.960
use a camera and like framing and composition and you know,

837
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:23.599
exposure and all that kind of stuff. And then we

838
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:29.079
had a genealogist. She spoke about genealogy because that's been

839
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:31.880
like a big topic of interest for me for the

840
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:35.920
last few years, and I think it's important for everyone

841
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:38.599
on our crew to have that same kind of like

842
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:44.159
respect for history and you know, especially your own family's history. Absolutely,

843
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:51.280
so that. And then we had a film producer who's

844
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:54.519
a producer at a company here in Ohio. He came

845
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:57.719
and spoke to us about the industry, and then Mark

846
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:01.000
Masky talked about storytelling, and so we were able to

847
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:04.119
like spend a whole day just kind of like two days,

848
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:10.159
you know, learning and trying to better better ourselves, because

849
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:13.079
ultimately that is a danger when you do this stuff

850
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:15.480
at the rate we're doing it, you can get to

851
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:18.400
a point where where you're no longer trying new things

852
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:26.679
or even thinking creatively enough. Yeah, and sometimes that's just

853
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:30.360
the nature of the projects you're working on too, you know,

854
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:33.400
Like there were projects I've worked on where I just

855
00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:36.760
was not as emotionally invested as I would like to be,

856
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:40.239
and so you do kind of have to, you know,

857
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:44.039
like feel your way through that in a very uncomfortable

858
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:47.239
I don't like that process when that's the case. So

859
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:50.280
I've tried to for a very long time, and there

860
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:52.320
aren't a lot of projects where I've had that happen.

861
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:54.880
Maybe three or four, but there's been three or four

862
00:52:55.679 --> 00:53:00.280
for sure. But then I hit like Kinderhook. I just

863
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:06.880
finished editing our Kinderhook Creature movie, and uh, it's it's

864
00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:11.960
the most fun, creatively fulfilling project I've had in a

865
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:15.519
very long time, probably amazing, probably eight or nine years,

866
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:18.079
going back to the earliest days. It was just and

867
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:20.400
it was all driven. It's funny because I've known Bruce

868
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:25.320
Bruce for a very long time, and I've known the

869
00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:27.719
Kinderhook story for a very long time. I mean actually

870
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:29.519
the first time I learned about it, we were filming

871
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:33.519
Beast of Whitehall and Paul Bartholomew was like, Hey, do

872
00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:36.559
you know about Bruce Hallenback and the Hallendback family and

873
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:40.440
their encounters in Kinderhook? And I didn't, So like he

874
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:43.039
educated me on that. Then I wanted to cover it.

875
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:44.760
Then we covered it a little bit and on the

876
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.280
trail of Bigfoot the Journey, but I was like, you know,

877
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:50.800
Bruce told me all the stuff that happened kind of

878
00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:53.960
ancillary to that story, and I was like, God, that's

879
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:57.159
the that's the story that he's told. And so when

880
00:53:57.159 --> 00:54:03.360
we started publishing his book, I contacted Bruce and asked

881
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:05.119
him and I was like, Hey, we're starting a publishing

882
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:07.599
wing at STM. Would you have any interest in writing

883
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:13.320
like basically an autobiography And he was like, yeah, I'd

884
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:15.760
love to. So he wrote his Kinderhood Creature book and

885
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:17.840
then maybe like two weeks before we went to film

886
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:22.440
the movie, I read the book again, and as I'm

887
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:25.079
going through the book, I was like hit over and

888
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:30.920
over with this kind of like melancholy of the story

889
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:34.599
that maybe like some people wouldn't pick up on, but

890
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:37.559
I did. And this kind of like recurring theme of

891
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:42.360
the loss of his grandma, And that was the stuff

892
00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:45.119
that I really wanted to dig into. And so when

893
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:47.079
I went to make the movie, that was like, my

894
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:51.840
focus was very much on Bruce as a person who

895
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:56.000
happens to be The line came to me in the

896
00:54:56.119 --> 00:55:02.119
very early stages of editing ordinary people experiencing extraordinary things.

897
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:04.519
It was something like that, and it's not going to

898
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:06.280
be in the movie. It's not in the movie, it's

899
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:07.920
not going to be in the marketing. It was just

900
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:12.599
this mantra that I would repeat to myself anytime I

901
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:15.320
would get kind of lost, you know, because sometimes it's

902
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:19.800
weird to be editing a movie that is about Bigfoot,

903
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:24.559
but I'm spending forty five minutes talking about Bruce's Grahama's

904
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:27.440
death or something. You know, it feels weird, but it's like, well,

905
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:32.320
that still fits within essentially the the you know, the

906
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:35.239
directive of the film, and so I don't know if

907
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:37.039
that's what it was with that movie or what, but

908
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:43.119
I had a really great experience editing that movie. Yeah,

909
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:45.440
just to something where like every day I would come

910
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:48.239
down here and sit down and I'd spend you know,

911
00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:52.840
six hours, seven hours tinkering with it, and it was

912
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:55.880
fun and fulfilling in a way that a lot of

913
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:57.519
times this stuff might not be.

914
00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:01.239
Yeah, I can imagine. I mean it it seems as

915
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:03.960
though you know, well, you're headed in the direction too,

916
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:08.400
where you're really telling you know, that's the story behind

917
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:11.920
the story, right, and the history of everything. And I

918
00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:14.039
know that you have a couple of people that also

919
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:19.079
do that, Like Alex Pettakov is huge in like his

920
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:23.599
family history stuff like that. I interviewed him, I don't know,

921
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:25.920
it was a little while ago, but he was just

922
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:29.760
about to go to Europe, and I spend a bunch

923
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:34.239
of time in Bosnia and that's you know, he's from

924
00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:41.880
that area. So either way, I guess what I'm kind

925
00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:45.320
of since we're getting closer to the end, what really

926
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:49.639
separates small town monsters from other cryptid or paranormal media

927
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:50.159
out there?

928
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:57.400
In your view, U, I think it's like a commitment

929
00:56:57.599 --> 00:57:05.320
to it's a it's funny you to ask this. I

930
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:08.880
just did this whole, Like during that retreat, I had

931
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:12.280
I put together like a mission statement for STM right,

932
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:16.079
and I did it because it seems weird that we

933
00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:19.800
didn't have one, because everyone knows behind the scenes, we

934
00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:22.400
all know like what our approach to this stuff is

935
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:28.400
and how it's different from like what's on television. I

936
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:31.440
think what sets us apart is like a commitment to

937
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:38.920
h to to documenting this stuff, not just telling a

938
00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:45.599
story or regurgitating, you know, an account of spooky story

939
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:49.480
or something it's it's about, and not even like the

940
00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:54.480
the artistic side of the filmmaking or whatever, but our

941
00:57:54.480 --> 00:58:00.920
approach to to letting people speak for themselves without trying

942
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:05.320
to steer, you know, the audience in any one direction.

943
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:07.840
Hear the story, right, Yeah, That's that's always been like

944
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:11.119
the biggest thing for me. But I do think, you know,

945
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:16.920
I grew up my parents were involved in battlefield preservation

946
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:20.760
because they owned a They owned a Civil War book business, historical.

947
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:24.679
It eventually evolved into like just a full scale historical

948
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:29.360
book business. But I have vivid memories of my dad

949
00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:31.920
wearing a shirt that said, have a nice day, shoot

950
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:38.119
a developer. And so when I was a kid, preservation

951
00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:42.000
of history was really important to my parents. And the

952
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:45.840
fact is, no one takes these stories seriously outside of us,

953
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:48.800
the community that kind of grew up around you know,

954
00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:52.639
Cryptis and Bigfoot and the people that are into this stuff.

955
00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:56.199
No one takes this seriously outside of this community and

956
00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:59.800
these people. So if we don't actively do our best

957
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:03.760
preserve the story as it actually happened, no one else

958
00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:06.800
will and most of the stuff will just kind of disappear.

959
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:10.559
And that was the goal behind the book. I mean,

960
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:13.599
even when I created the book, it was it was that.

961
00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:20.199
So it's always been about preservation of history. And then

962
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:22.199
hopefully we do that, you know, in a way that

963
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:25.440
engages people and keeps them invested in what we're doing.

964
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:31.599
Absolutely, So what's next for you and small town Monsters

965
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:33.119
that you're excited about?

966
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:36.920
Well, in two weeks, i'd leave to go film on

967
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:41.360
the Trailer UFOs season two, which we haven't done an

968
00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:45.639
episodic on the trailer UFOs show since twenty twenty, so

969
00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:51.000
kind of a big deal for that. Our kickstarter launches

970
00:59:51.079 --> 00:59:56.519
February fifth. We're funding on the trail of UFO Season two,

971
00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:59.920
which is an eight episode series. Episodes will run over

972
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.480
an hour, so you can end up like probably ten

973
01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:07.199
hours by the time it's all done. There's Journey to

974
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:11.360
Ape Island, which is at Alexander's movie, like his full scale,

975
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:17.280
full budget movie. He's going to Vancouver Island with Jason

976
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:22.480
Hewlett I'm doing. We're also filming dog Man Legacy while

977
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:24.800
we're doing this on the trailer UFO shoot, which is

978
01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:27.599
Aaron d s and Channel and Groves project. And then

979
01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:31.960
my final project of the year will be a mini

980
01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:37.760
series called Sasquatch Factor, and we're still figuring it out,

981
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:42.039
but the goal is to make it the biggest and

982
01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:47.400
best bigfoot thing I've ever done. That's the goal. We're

983
01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:49.000
going to go to Alaska, though I can tell you

984
01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:53.239
that we're definitely going to Alaska in July, but there

985
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:55.320
will be you know, we'll be all over the US

986
01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:58.440
filming that this year. Yeah, So that's the big film stuff.

987
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:00.719
And then there's I do a series he's called Smoking

988
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:04.519
Mountain Sasquat Search on YouTube, and I edit a bunch

989
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:07.159
of other shows that are on there that people probably

990
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:09.639
don't realize I'm involved in so gotcha.

991
01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:16.559
Yeah, last question besides then, you know, wrapping it up. Yeah,

992
01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:19.920
if you could document one thing that you've never been

993
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:24.079
able to capture on film. I mean obviously there's like,

994
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:27.719
oh Bigfoot in real life or whatever. You know what,

995
01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:28.599
what would that be?

996
01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:40.239
Probably because my son's obsessed with it. The Flatwoods Monster.

997
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:44.800
That's my eight year old is. He built a Flatwood's

998
01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:48.639
Monster in Minecraft last week, so he's this morning on

999
01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:51.920
the drive to school, we listened to the Flatwoods Monster soundtrack.

1000
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:56.199
So so yeah, if I could film something, it would

1001
01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:58.400
be that, so that he would be able to see

1002
01:01:58.400 --> 01:01:59.079
it for himself.

1003
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:07.599
Amazing. So I like to end with the name of

1004
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:13.480
the show is broadcasting Seeds, and it's about planting seeds

1005
01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:17.679
in people's minds, right, and furthering this whole crazy world

1006
01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:20.199
that we live in and the ideas in it. So

1007
01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:24.760
what is a seed that you would like to plant?

1008
01:02:26.679 --> 01:02:30.440
Jeez, that's a good question. You always end the show

1009
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:37.119
this way, huh, always? And yeah, you know the last

1010
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:41.440
this this is not the direction I would have expected

1011
01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:43.199
to go with us, but I'm just going to say

1012
01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:46.599
it because it's been on my mind. Perfect. I have

1013
01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:50.840
been a Christian my whole life and I have very rarely,

1014
01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:56.199
if ever, addressed that fact publicly. But I feel like

1015
01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:58.239
over the last year I've been a coward in a

1016
01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:00.199
lot of ways because I see people that are on

1017
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:03.360
another level for me, that are willing to be open

1018
01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:06.280
about it. So if I could, if I could do anything,

1019
01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:08.360
it would just be to say that I wouldn't be

1020
01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:12.719
here without christ I wouldn't be doing what I do,

1021
01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:18.880
which I love, you know, without him and uh so, yeah,

1022
01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:21.000
And honestly, that's a big That was a goal of mine,

1023
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:22.800
that was like a resolution for this year, was I'm

1024
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:25.360
going to be more open about, you know, the fact

1025
01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:28.360
that I'm not going to dump it on people and

1026
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:31.840
expect to change people. Yeah, but but be open about

1027
01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:33.840
my own faith and stuff like that. So that's I

1028
01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:36.719
think that's the big thing. The other one would just be, man,

1029
01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:40.800
go do what you go, do what you want to do,

1030
01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:43.719
what you have a passion for doing, and figure it

1031
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:46.239
out while you're doing it. Don't think you have to

1032
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:48.719
have some perfect plan in place for how to do

1033
01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:52.159
this stuff, because there isn't one. And again, like I

1034
01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:53.400
said at the beginning of the show, I'm one of

1035
01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:55.840
the dumbest people I know. So if I can do it,

1036
01:03:55.880 --> 01:03:57.079
I believe anyone can do it.

1037
01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:02.239
Amazing. Tell everybody again where they can find you.

1038
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:07.880
Uh, small time monsters dot com. YouTube. Uh we're on

1039
01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:11.960
Facebook and Instagram and all that stuff too, so.

1040
01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:14.519
We're all over. Yeah man, you are, and you punch

1041
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:17.519
it in the Google machine in it. Yeah, it's all

1042
01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:21.440
small time monsters. Yeah. So I really appreciate you coming on.

1043
01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:22.639
It's been great to meet you.

1044
01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:24.760
Yeah YouTube man, thanks for having me.

1045
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:31.039
Yeah, got here record and you laughed like it was moasing,

1046
01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:37.840
like ten years doesn't wait on your chest.

1047
01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:47.199
I all those miles Mozelum ceilings never left a fingerprint

1048
01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:54.920
on your ast. He said, it didn't even know it

1049
01:04:55.159 --> 01:05:02.119
was a movie. Still a line after around the block

1050
01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:11.519
and the momently funic sat The monster wasn't fear.

1051
01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:14.199
It was the.

1052
01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:22.000
Clerk, you know that feeling certain hobbies and a long

1053
01:05:22.159 --> 01:05:27.960
guy shot'll make a life from the spot before figure selling.

1054
01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:28.440
Goes And.

1055
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:32.599
So Sally went just saw when the.

1056
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:39.199
Night got quies, what's got clouds in the sun.

1057
01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:52.079
Still it wasn't just a story, something something that share

1058
01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:57.960
a free and just caught in every people when they

1059
01:05:58.159 --> 01:05:59.719
shot in their tail.

1060
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:04.920
You said, we carry their lifestyles and highlies.

1061
01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:14.840
If nobody lessens, the record skips, and the jose distict

1062
01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:17.119
tears when really.

1063
01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:23.960
It talks about a grave yard.

1064
01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:31.320
You didn't mean the film the name that the edge

1065
01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:32.679
of the fame.

1066
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:35.800
And the past.

1067
01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:37.679
We stopped through.

1068
01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:38.880
The edit.

1069
01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:44.960
Like it was calling you back by name.

1070
01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:48.639
Three headstones.

1071
01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:55.960
One day small pox took film.

1072
01:06:53.559 --> 01:07:01.559
And somehow you kept rolling the same US history as

1073
01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:03.480
it as commission.

1074
01:07:05.199 --> 01:07:07.119
It just stays.

1075
01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:15.800
Or a slop sweys.

1076
01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:19.440
Bingle body regics and shake it stand, I sell it on.

1077
01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:23.679
I just try to say, I read.

1078
01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:27.920
Sallis a song and the night.

1079
01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:35.119
Jack quiet when the one got close in it sounwhere stay?

1080
01:07:37.639 --> 01:07:45.199
It wasn't just the story so real, something that does

1081
01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:49.320
out of share.

1082
01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:55.519
Just had a hurricane with ad so wee.

1083
01:07:55.679 --> 01:08:00.719
Shatrymn like stars and our sleeves.

1084
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:02.480
But nobody listens.

1085
01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:08.679
The record sciffs.

1086
01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:11.639
The jus disappears when really.

1087
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:15.800
And I chased the lights from the.

1088
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:17.640
Throat went dry.

1089
01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:25.800
The watch platforms close their doors.

1090
01:08:26.479 --> 01:08:33.239
Can the world laughs say crap movie, but they don't know.

1091
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:44.039
Wear respy funes.

1092
01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:44.319
Steeru lie be sple You.

1093
01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:49.800
Can laugh, then speak we can laugh.

1094
01:08:49.880 --> 01:09:02.239
The style Salio decided what you saw and then got quiet.

1095
01:09:04.520 --> 01:09:05.880
When the words got.

1096
01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:15.680
Class and it soundwhere still wasn't just to start something.

1097
01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:27.640
Something without shut helping away this st with it started everything.

1098
01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:34.640
So we carry them as we don't say. And if

1099
01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:46.479
of me say at say sad, the list past sadyway.

1100
01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:49.239
And I won't be here without Christ.

1101
01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:54.520
I won't pretend I evil was if I'm brave enough

1102
01:09:54.760 --> 01:10:02.039
to say it out loud, maybe that's the seed that

1103
01:10:02.359 --> 01:10:09.279
matters most.