July 15, 2025

Psychotherapist Exposes the Truth: Schizophrenia Isn’t What You Think

Psychotherapist Exposes the Truth: Schizophrenia Isn’t What You Think
Psychotherapist Exposes the Truth: Schizophrenia Isn’t What You Think
The Broadcasting Seeds Podcast
Psychotherapist Exposes the Truth: Schizophrenia Isn’t What You Think
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In this eye-opening episode of Broadcasting Seeds, the lens widens to capture a controversial and compelling perspective as psychotherapist Jerry Marzinsky steps into frame. With over three decades of experience working in psychiatric hospitals and prisons, Marzinsky challenges the conventional biochemical model of schizophrenia by proposing a radical theory: that the voices tormenting many schizophrenic patients are not hallucinations, but actual non-physical entities — what he identifies as malevolent, parasitic beings commonly referred to across cultures as demons. Filmed in wide aspect ratio to reflect the expansive implications of his claim, the episode delves into firsthand accounts, clinical encounters, and spiritual traditions often ignored by mainstream psychology. It raises critical questions about the nature of consciousness, the unseen realms of mental illness, and whether our current understanding of schizophrenia is missing a crucial — and perhaps ancient — dimension.

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Hmmm.

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So what is the best place to find you, Jerry.

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It's on my website at Jerrymarsinski dot.

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Com, social media or anything.

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Well, I got thrown off of Facebook, I've been suspended

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from YouTube. I've been in YouTube jail a couple of times.

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Right, So.

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Yeah, that's probably the Yeah, I'm afraid if I'll get

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it overwhelmed. Yeah, yeah, it's probably. The website's probably the

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best way.

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Okay, worked and might get told you that the VA

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for a bunch of years.

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Are you still in touch with veterans? Oh?

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Yeah, I talked to him all the time.

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Uh.

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You know, if there's a brand new, cutting edge psychotherapy

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out now that works wonders with trauma, Okay, it will.

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It will dissolve trauma in an hour. And I know

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somebody who is a veteran who's just just got certified

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in that, and she'd be willing to do some some

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work with some of the veterans. Just get it. Just

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they need this stuff bad because the veterans are really

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being short changed. Oh yes, the stuff they're using doesn't work. Yeah,

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it doesn't work.

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I agree, you can.

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So we've been trying to break in with the veterans

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for a long time, and these fools won't listen to us.

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This stuff works better than anything I've seen in forty

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five years on the front lines.

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Wow.

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And they won't even look at it. They're just so

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arrogant they won't look at it. And it works within

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an hour and it permanently cures the condition. It's not

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drugs that are just treating the friggin symptoms. I mean,

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it goes into the subconscious mind, gets rid of the garbage,

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and then it's done. So training a car battery. If

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you drain a car battery down to nothing, you can't

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charge it again. So it goes into subconscious. It trains

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those big pockets of negative trauma and it's dead. You'll

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still remember the trauma, but there won't be any emotional

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upset associated with it that will be gone on. It's

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a psycho energetic psychotherapy, okay, because your your you know,

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your thoughts are energy, your your feeling for energy, your

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memories or energy, your spirit is energy. You're an energy unit.

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And here's psychiatry pouring drugs on your brain thinking that's

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going to help something. Nothing they have cures anything. They're

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just treating symptoms and making a fortune. Out of it, agreed,

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And those drugs are toxic. They're all toxic.

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They are. It's no good, no good at all. Yeah.

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So how did you I mean, you've been doing this

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forty five years. How long did it take you to

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figure out that you think you're dealing with other entities? Right?

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It took two years because I didn't want I didn't

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want to believe it, right, I didn't want to believe it.

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I didn't want to believe that the voices were entities.

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I thought it was something to do with the subconscious, right.

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But what was interesting is when I after I got

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out of graduate school, I got hired at one of

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the biggest psychiatric hospitals on the planet. Nobody was interested

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in the voices. I'd ask them what are these things?

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Because I saw there was a one to one correlation

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between the patient listening to voices and how long, how

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strong those voices were, and how much to swept the

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behavior they would show. So it's like, okay, they're linked somehow.

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I didn't know how. I didn't know what they were. So,

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you know, I asked a lot of the staff, and

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they'd all been brainwashed in nursing school or medical school

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or you know, graduate school, I believed that these things

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were auditory or visual hallucinations, right, And I believe that

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too because I was brainwashed just like them. When I

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got onto the front lines, there were things that didn't

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make sense. So you think about a hallucination, and what

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I was thinking, well, you know, it's like all other

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halluse nations, it's all over the place. It must be

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word salid, you know, or what our visual halluc nations.

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That just didn't make any sense, you know. But when

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I got onto the wards, the one thing I hated

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about psychology is you could not check out anything these

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people were saying and see for yourself. You know. You

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could not get access to a syche board, you couldn't

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get access to a mental health center, you couldn't get

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access to a psychiatric hospital. You just had to believe

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what they were telling and it would be four years

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of believing what they were telling you. And with my background,

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had a very hard time believing anything any authority figure said.

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So I was programmed that way to start with. So

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it was murder for me to have to go through

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four years of psychcology with the only the only validation

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I got was an experimental psychology, which is a rat lab,

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you know, where you run these these uh what do

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they call it? Regiments and you actually see the behavior materialize,

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you know, like positive reinforcement, then getive reinforcement, different reinforcement schedules,

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and you could actually watch the animals change, you know,

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but they were learning, that was it. But you know,

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people aren't animals, even though they're subject to those same rules.

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It's far from anything that would you know, you could

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call psychotherapy. It's more like behavioral stuff and theories, the

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counseling theories were like, where do these things come from?

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There's one time, oh, what guy was a famous psychotherapist,

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Eric somebody came to the hospital and he wanted somebody

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to work with him and play like they were chronic

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out all right, and all this stuff he's saying would

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not have worked. You know. Finally I had to, you know,

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not to embarrass him. I had to finally give in,

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but not because of what he was saying. So that

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convinced me more that this is just a bunch of crap.

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And you know, so I went all through four years

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of undergraduate school and then there was there was I

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was in abnormal psychology and the instructor had us read

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a article written by a clinical psychologists that said, if

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two crazy people met each other and they had the

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same delusion, you know, if both of them thought they

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were Joe Biden, one of them would have to give

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way and come up with some other craziness, you know,

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some other name. I'm thinking, even as an undergraduate, I'm thinking, well,

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why should they have I mean, they're both crazy. Why

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should that care? Why should they care? Why should one

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have to switch? What they're doing anyway isn't logical to

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start with, So why would all of a sudden they

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have to become logical and one of them switch? And

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then they decide which one of them's going to switch?

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I mean, how does that happen? Do they have an

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argument over it, or do they negotiator or what? You know?

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So I just found that odd and I tucked it

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in my memory. Probably probably eight to ten years later,

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I was on a siteboard and I was doing my

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rounds and here's a guy carrying on a tooblone conversation

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with somebody I couldn't see. And it was not word salad.

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I mean, it was a coherent, logical conversation with something

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or somebody I can see. What it reminded me of

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is you know when you're talking on the phone, you

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could hear the person talking on the phone, but you

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couldn't hear the person talking to them. Yeah, it reminded

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me of that. So I could hear what he was

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saying to whatever this thing was, but I couldn't hear

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the answers. And after that happened a few times, it

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was like, well, wait a second, these auditory hallucinations are suspect.

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I mean, if they're is hallucination, they shouldn't have a

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coherent form. So with this guy, I asked him when

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I snuck up on him and I wanted to listen

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to what he was saying, and he caught me and

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when I was close and I said, I told him.

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I said, I am the site for this unit. I

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don't recognize you that you just dead here and he said, yeah,

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I'm new. And I asked him, I said, what's your name?

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He looks me in the eye and he says, I'm

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Jesus Christ. And I look at him and I go, no, no,

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not Jesus Christ. I am you know. And I'm like, okay,

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what's he going to do? And I'm sitting there on

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pins and needles to see, Okay, he's he going to

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change to something else like this clinical psychologist said, and

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he cocks his eyes up and he thinks for a minute.

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He goes, okay, we can both be Jesus Christ. And

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it strolls off, you know, and I'm like, after that,

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I'm thinking, what else did they lie to me about?

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You know, it was automatically their credibility was now in question, right,

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and then it went on from there because the whole

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time they're teaching that schizophrenia is due to a biochemical

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imbalance of the brain. So here I'm working rewards, I'm

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sitting through interviews with psychiatrists and patients, and here I

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watched how the psychiatrists worked. You know, what's going on

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with you. You're hearing voices. You know, I'm hearing voices. Okay,

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you're schizophrenic. Let's start off with this medicine, just right

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off the bat.

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Yeah, no, no, no collecting two hundred dollars nothing, just

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going straight through it.

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We're going to start right here and then then we'll

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go from there.

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Wow.

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And after that happened a few times, I'm going, well,

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if this is a biochemical you know, disturbance of the brain,

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a biochemical imbalance of the brain. Then they must have

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some kind of test or lab work or EKG or

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EEG or something, some kind of subjective test. The test, well,

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what's out of balance? There's like what twenty three neurotransmitters

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or something like that. What's out of balance or how much?

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By how much? I mean, you need to know that

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if it's a balance and you're setting it, you're resetting

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the balance, you'd have to know what was out of balance.

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And such a good point, such a good point.

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So I'm like, after watching a few of them do that,

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I'm going, what the frick are they doing? Yeah, So

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finally I asked one of them and I said, now,

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if you're treating a chemical imbalance, how do you even

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know what's out of balance or by how much? I

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just asked them straight up. He went, Oh, the drug

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companies take care of that for us. You know, we

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just we just do what the drug companies say. And

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I'm like, oh my god, you know that like letting

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the fox in the henhouse. So there was no test,

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it didn't exist. There was no test for a chemical

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imbalance of the brain. Matter of fact, they don't even

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know what the chemical balance of the brain should be,

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you know. So here's here's a massive lie that they

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put out. And it was put out by a pharmaceutical

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company by the name of Eli Lilly. Okay, um hmm,

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let's see if I can find the artistic for that

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had its own way. Well, it was when Prozac came out. Okay,

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they needed an explanation for how their drugs worked and

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they didn't have one. They thought it had something to

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do with serotonin, which they thought was indeficit, which is

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a neurotransmitter, and they were thinking, Okay, if there's not

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enough serotonin, then the nerves aren't going to fire normally.

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So Eli Lilly when they put out Prozac, they didn't

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have any explore nation for how their their drug worked,

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and so they just made one up. And I have

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to think some I never can find it. Maybe this

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is it. They just made one up and they published it,

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and then the psychiatrists started pushing it, and then the

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educational buildings started pushing it and educational people and it

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was a complete lie though it was debunked, but they

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they're pushing it anywhere. So here's here's what a couple

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of psychiatrists had to say about that. Here's one psychiatrist.

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Though Jeffrey looked Lacassi. He said, there's not a single

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peer reviewed article that can be accurately cited to directly

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support claims of serotoonin deficiency in any mental disorder, while

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there are many articles that present counter evidence. Ronald Pye says,

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this guy was a big guy psychiatrist. He said, the

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demise of the chemical imbalance theory in view of the

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mounting evidence against it. After more than twenty years of

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being told a chemical imbalance of the brain causes mental

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illness such as anxiety disordered depression in schizophrenia, the theory

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was finally put to the rest when doctor pie Is,

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the director in chief of Ambrius of the Psychiatric Times,

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stated on July eleventh, what is it? Twenty eleven? I

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think it was in the issue of Psychiatric Times. He said,

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I don't believe I've ever heard of a knowledgeable, well

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trained psychiatrist makes us preposterous claims that, you know, mental

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illness is due to a chemical imbalance. It's a sort

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of last century thinking, and they're still pushing it. I

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mean they're still averagge. You know, you can go to

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the So here was another fallacy that they taught in

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graduate school, you know, that it was a chemical imbalance.

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But they started off well before that blaming mothers. You know,

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they didn't know what costs schizophrenia, so they blame mothers.

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The mothers must have done something. They did this, they

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did that, the mothers, what do we do? What do

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we do? You know, right, they can't see that was observable.

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So now they didn't want anything observable, so they kicked

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it up into the science realm, into genetics, and they

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started claiming that there was a genetic gene for schizophrenia.

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So they got away with this chemical imbalance thing for

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twenty years. They probably got away in another twenty years

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with their you know, genetic bullcrap, until finally the biogeneticist

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finally got around to examining this and they went, there

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is no gene for schizophrenia, There is no for mental illness.

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There's no link there, you know, And the psychiatric maffia,

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a big farmer, came back and said, well, it's not

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just one dream link. It's a whole bunch of genes

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just all died together, and they're all doing this. You know,

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we know it's the jeans. We just haven't figured out

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which ones yet.

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I love that you call them the psychiatric mafia. It's

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fantastic they are. Yeah, exact great they are.

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So here was another lie. You know, it wasn't genetics.

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And then with the you know, the biochemical balance that

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was that was disproved again after another twenty year run.

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You know. So it's lie after lie after lie. These

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people have no morals, they have no integrity. It's money, money, money.

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So that was the next one that came up. When

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I found that, I'm like, Okay, what else are they

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lying about? Yeah, And the next thing that popped uple

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was there their bible. They're psychiatric fib the DSM completely

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made up. Yeah, correct, So they have to complete work

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of fantasy. They have a there's a group of psychiatrists

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that get together once every three years and they make

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up psychiatric illnesses and they vote on them. If they

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can make any money off them, then two thirds of

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those people in there are he said, I can bind

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two thirds of those people in there are associated with

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Big fun. I wouldn't be the least pit surprised that

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they had some kind of drug ahead of time. And

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then they needed some kind of illness to push it right.

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So everything there is no objective test for any of

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the almost three hundred diagnosises. They have them that daisy now,

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so you know it's the new diagnostic bible of psychiatry.

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The DSM five labels almost all human emotion as a

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mental illness. A child who talks back, a man who

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spends too much time on the Internet, a woman who

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grieves the death of her husband or child for more

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than two weeks. They're all labeled mentally ill and told

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that they need to be drugged. Unhappiness is labeled a depression.

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People are encouraged to benumb themselves with these drugs instead

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of dealing with life situations that are causing their unhappiness.

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But were two thirds of the psychiatrists who wrote the

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d s M five have financial ties to the Big fun.

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Of course they did, right, So.

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Every single one of those two hundred and ninety six

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diagnoses in the d s M five have completely been

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made up by a group of psychiatrists. In nineteen fifty two,

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they had one hundred and six of them. In nineteen

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eighty they had two hundred fifty six of them. The

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dis M five now has two hundred and ninety seven

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psychiatric disorders, every single one of them fabricated, totally made up,

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and there are no tests for any of these these diagnosies.

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There's not one objective test for any of them.

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Which is so insane. Literally it's crazy.

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And some of the ones they got now are they're

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totally ridiculous. Mathematics disorder is in there, so if you

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don't like mathematics, your disorder.

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It's a disorder. And we haven't driven, and we have

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a plus for that, don't.

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I'm sure they do. Caffeine intoxication disorder if you drink

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too much caffeine, your disordered. Sibling relational disorder, to kids fighting,

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so basically virtually anything they can turn it into a

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sexual orientation disturbance, homosexuality. They have one called the Florence syndrome.

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Its symptoms are being overwhelmed by beauty, such as in Florence, Italy,

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and feigning and dizziness. The treatment they say is antidepressant

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drugs and Paris syndrome, mostly suffered by Japanese patients visiting France.

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Symptoms include depression, anxiety, and feelings of persecution. You know

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my day, They would have just called that cultural shock. Yeah,

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so they're totally ridiculous. They're just freaking totally ridiculous. And

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none of those drugs that they use sure anything. They're

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treating symptoms, and those drugs, especially the antipsychotics, are very dangerous.

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What they did they started doing autopsies of people that

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spent years in psychiatric institutions, and the autopsies showed that

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virtualo all of them had shrunk brains, like shrunk and walnuts.

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They're going, well, how come only psychotics have spunking brains

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and not any of these other patients with different diagnoses.

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Of course, they the big pharmer was quick to respond

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to that, you know, well, to schizophre any of the

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shrink in their brains. Everybody knows that, you know, so

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that the researchers they didn't, they didn't buy that. So

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they started feeding these drugs, these anti psychotic drugs, the mice, rats,

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and monkeys and found that their brains were being shrunken. Also,

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not only there are they not sureing anybody or anything,

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you know, they're making things worse because they're destroying the

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central and personal nervous systems with long term use, those

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drugs actually do more harm than good. Of course they

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won't tell you that, right. I never saw a psychiatrist

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tell that to any patient. You know, the malignant neurological

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syndromes that they have, the tongue guarding, you know, they

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or the lips moving, or the you know, the quivers,

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or the anxiety and stuff. They don't tell the patients

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any of that.

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Yeah, what what are the most common like back to

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like voices? Right, so these voices, what were the most

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common behaviors or themes? Let's say that the voice is

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expressed across patients.

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Well, the main one was You're worthless. You're worthless, You're stupid,

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You're no good and over, everybody hate you. It's not

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worth living. Just go ahead and kill yourself.

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I mean, was that the goal? Do you think was

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to get them to kill themselves?

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Or I think that was that was part the part goal.

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And then you know, then when you're thinking about tuning yourself,

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it creates a lot of anxiety.

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Yes.

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So no, these patterns that I sent you, they started

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popping up, one after another after another. Yeah. So one

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of the first things I noted with the voices is

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that they were consistently negative. They were derogative, toy, insulting, abusive,

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and destructive. They never said anything good. It was all

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bad stuff. Every Bronten thing that you can think of.

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They were telling these patients including, you know, just go

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ahead and kill yourself. Nobody loves you, nobody likes you,

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you're you're alone. Oh, you're stupid, you're ignorant, you're never

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going to mount to anything. Well, I come, just just

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go ahead and do it now, you might ask. Well,

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you know, I found out later there was years into

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the into working on the psyche words, these things were

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actually draining their energy. So after the voice is attacked,

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their energy was drained down to nothing, right, and that

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was consistent, and if they were hearing the voices the

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entire time, they were always drained. So in a lot

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of cases, the voices will come, they'll hit, they'll drain

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the person, and then they'll disappear for a while until

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they build up their energy again, and then they'll hit

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them again and steal their energy again. So it was

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those that I saw, you know, where when voices started,

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they were drained by the time they left. So I

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found that very interesting. So I came up with just

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a little simple survey of one to ten scale, and

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I was asking there was no shortage of schizophrenics at

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the state hospital. I had all I could, all I

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could deal with, you know. So I'd bring them in

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after a while and I'd ask him to fill out

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a little form of one to ten scale. How much

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energy do you have before the voices attacked you? How

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much energy do you have after they attacked you? And

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then we ran an analysis of variance on it, and

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it was statistically significant, you know, so something was happening.

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There was a one to one correlation between these voices

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attacking and these patients being drained of energy. And some

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of them even said that they could feel the energy

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leaving them. They could actually feel their energy being sucked

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out of it.

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What about group work? Did you do any work?

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I tried and it didn't work? Well?

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Yeah, because that's that's what I was going to say, is

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like I wonder if the entities were aware of each

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other or do they act independently with each person? You

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know what I mean?

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Yeah, they pretty much act independently, so the voices in

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one person's head can't be heard.

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Now, did we ever have did you ever have entities

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manifest at all?

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I could feel.

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I remember I remember hearing you say something like there

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was something you could hear, right, someone else, there was

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some or is it that your patient could hear it?

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Maybe that's sort of patient they could hear it static

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or something.

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No, I could feel it felt like vicky electrical.

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Yeah, I do know the feeling I do.

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There's no other feeling like it or are unique to them.

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Yes, I had so working with a few folks that

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had schizophrenia. First off, I could never get them into

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my office because I had a lot of let's call

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it Christian paraphernalia in my office, and they would not

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and they wouldn't even come into my office. It was

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specific to to three individuals that I had. The other

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thing is is I do energy work, and I could

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never get them to let me work on them, like

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like reiki kind of along those lines, right, I could

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never get them to work on me. So that's that

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that clued me into the idea of this. And the

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first time I ever heard you talk about I was like,

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oh my gosh, it's like a light bulbleing off.

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These are not like religion. They do not like Christ God,

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nothing like that. So that was like the second pattern

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I found The first one was negativity. They were all

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the voices were consistently negative.

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Always negative, no, nothing, no, trying to like fin angle

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in that.

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They were just always consistently negative, you know, and if

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they if they virtually said nothing positive, and if they did,

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it was just to stab the person in the back later, right, Yeah,

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Sometimes they know stuff that they shouldn't know, you know,

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they know stuff that the person doesn't know.

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Yeah, like like familiar stuff, right like yeah, not exactly.

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That which houses the rob word to get meth when

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you run out that kind of stuff, Yeah, you know,

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which which prostitutes to go look for? Where to look for?

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It's all negative stuff. So my first question was, well,

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if the voices are hallucinations, they should be random. What

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is holding them on a consistently negative path? Why aren't

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they random? Why aren't they all over the place. Why

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aren't they sometimes negative, sometimes positive, sometimes neutral? Why are

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they consistently negative? So here's another thing flying in the

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face of the psychiatric mafia and in the educational system,

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you know, teaching that these things are hallucinations. Hallucinations are random.

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They're all over the place. They don't just run a

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one pattern.

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So that was the first pattern consistent patterns too, So

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that's the whole idea of a pattern, right, it's consistent.

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So you know, so on my website at Jerrymarsinsky dot com.

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Any of you who were working with schizophrenics and you

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don't believe this, go to my website Jerrymarsinsky dot com.

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Then go to articles and pull up the patterns paper.

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There's twenty three patterns.

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That's the one you sent me to, right, yes, so

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I will put it in the show notes as well.

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There's twenty three patterns that these things run consistently. They

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shouldn't be running patterns if the truth of what the

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psychiatric mafia is saying is that they're hallucinations. Hallucinations don't

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run patterns. These guys are lying to us. Again. The

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second thing I found, like you did, is that they're

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any religious. They don't want the person going church. They

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don't want them breathing the Bible, they don't want them

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saying the psalms, they don't want them believing in God.

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They tell them there is no God. Right, And so

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I started an investigation into that, you know, asking all

465
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these schizophrenics, well, what happens when you go to church? Well,

466
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:20.680
it turned out that if the voices were very weak,

467
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:24.000
they would disappear. When the person went into the church.

468
00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:27.519
The voices were moderate strength, they would get louder and

469
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:29.839
they would they would try to interfere with what the

470
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.640
preacher was saying. They'd start mocking the preacher. They'd say

471
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.400
stuff like one of the one of their key praises

472
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:40.200
is Jesus couldn't even save himself. What makes you think

473
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:42.039
he's going to save you? So they would say that

474
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:45.480
if the person tried to read the Bible from cover

475
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:47.960
to cover, well they wouldn't do that. They most of

476
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:50.359
them weren't want to read the Bible from cover to cover.

477
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.079
They would just want to read certain pieces of it.

478
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:54.880
If the voices would come back, well, if you're going

479
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:56.359
to read the Bible, you got to read it from

480
00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:59.119
cover to cover. So they, you know, they'd start in

481
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:01.599
there and then they'd start reading about all these ancient

482
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:05.440
Israelites that were getting slaughtered or slaughtering somebody else, and

483
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:08.319
it just goes on and on for hundreds of pages

484
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:10.920
that way. But then then there's the where this guy,

485
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:13.720
weyget that guy. They go into the historical stuff. Yeah

486
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:17.000
it goes on, Yeah it goes on for like ten

487
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:19.680
pages of who we Got Who. They hit that part

488
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:21.440
and they go, Okay, I'm done. I'm not going to

489
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:22.359
read the Bible anymore.

490
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:22.920
This is yah.

491
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:25.920
Voices would come in, Yeah, we told you it was bullkrap.

492
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:31.160
So they were anti religious. They hated the twenty third Psalm.

493
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:34.240
They hated it with a passion. One guy came in

494
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:36.559
and he told me when I repeated the twenty third Psalm,

495
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:41.279
the voices react like worms thrown on a hot frying pan. So,

496
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:44.640
you know, I asked. I started passing that out and

497
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:47.680
asking these patients how the voices reacted to it, and

498
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:52.599
it was always consistently negative. They did not like it right.

499
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:56.119
So that was the second pattern I saw. And I

500
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:59.200
first noticed that when the schizophrenics on the ward, when

501
00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:02.640
the chaplain was having a ice cream social downstairs in

502
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:05.680
the rehab center, all the schizophrenics stayed on the gingy ward.

503
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.319
They wouldn't go down there and listen to music and

504
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:11.000
have taken ice cream and dance. They stayed on the word.

505
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:13.839
So I saw that once they saw that twice, the

506
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:17.079
third time I started asking them about it. It's like,

507
00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:19.079
you know, I asked God for help. He didn't help me.

508
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:22.359
There's no God, you know, this is all all bull crap,

509
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.559
you know. And the other thing I noticed they also

510
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:29.799
always had negative, violent books on their bookstand you murder

511
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:33.240
mysteries or war stories or it was always negative stuff.

512
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:36.839
So I'm like, well, that's interesting. It turns out that

513
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:39.960
that negative stuff feeds them also, so you've got you know,

514
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:45.000
it goes back to, you know, these these fools running

515
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.839
the government and Hollywood, where you got By the time

516
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.519
a teenager gets to be eighteen years old, he's watched

517
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.559
many hundreds of murders on television. Yeah, and the messages

518
00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:58.960
is this is how you solve your problems. You get

519
00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:01.160
a gun and you shoot somebody, right, and then the

520
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:03.759
freaking deep state goes, well, we got to take the

521
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:06.680
guns from everybody so they can't you know, they can't

522
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:09.279
shoot each other. Then you have what's happening in Britain,

523
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:13.200
these guys with knives stabbing everybody. You know, figure out,

524
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:14.359
you know, or they use.

525
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:16.279
A hammer or a rock get away around it.

526
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:18.920
Yeah, there's a way around it. It's not the guns

527
00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:21.319
to kill people, it's the people who have the guns.

528
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:23.960
And a lot of the people who have those guns,

529
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:27.279
you know they're mentally ill, and what's our mental health

530
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:32.119
system doing. It's garbage, It's totally garbage. You've got fifty

531
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:37.559
thousand people every year kill themselves in the United States suicide.

532
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:43.000
There's more psychiatrists, there's more psychologists, there's more psychiatric drugs.

533
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:47.960
So anytime in human history, and look what's happening getting sicker.

534
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:52.039
There's more mentally ill every year. The psych words are

535
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:55.240
full of menial the old people. The hospitale, the prisons

536
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:58.599
are full of menally ill people. And they reduced they

537
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:02.359
shut down all this state hospitals. So we're going to

538
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:04.759
save money. We're going to shut down the state hospital.

539
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:07.119
And then they send these guys to prison. We're it's

540
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:09.960
double the cost to take care of them. Now they

541
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.440
need all the barbed wire and the electronics.

542
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.720
And but somebody's getting rich off of that, right, So.

543
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:18.759
Private prisons and the private prisons are disgusting. They do

544
00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:22.000
nothing for these people, They provide no rehabilitation at all,

545
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:25.440
but they're paying off the freaking legislators. Oh yeah, you'll

546
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:28.119
bring us private prison. We'll slip you this much money

547
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.240
out on the table. Man. You'll you'll be fine, you'll

548
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:34.119
be well. Off, and they pay their staff crap. They

549
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:37.160
pay worse than the state prisons do, but they pay

550
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.160
their administrators a lot of money.

551
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:43.920
They do to hold it together. What so? What so?

552
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:48.920
Is it just schizophrenia or do you think it's other

553
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:53.240
that these entities cause other mental illness as well?

554
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:53.920
Or well?

555
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:55.720
Is it the root of all of it?

556
00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:56.319
Or is it?

557
00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:57.240
Or is it?

558
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:01.079
Well? What this list is, it's the opper rational definition

559
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:05.440
of what they are. So these things are energy, gotcha, gotcha?

560
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.960
Your feelings are energy, your memory's energy, your thoughts are energy.

561
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:13.239
And yet these psychiatric mafia is going, oh, well, we'll

562
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:15.760
pour some drugs on your brain. And they don't help you.

563
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:17.800
It's just to suppress everything.

564
00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:21.840
They're treating symptoms. They're drugging you down. So you know,

565
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:25.159
you get take any psychotic and you feel like a zombie.

566
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:27.719
You're not feeling anything, you're not feeling good, bad, You're

567
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:33.239
just a zombie. But the voices hate those psychiatric drugs anyway,

568
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:35.519
because what they do is they calm the patient down.

569
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:38.719
They don't want them calm. They're feed off of that

570
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:43.360
negative emotional energy that they generate. So the reason that

571
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:46.800
the voices are consistently negative is because they want to

572
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:51.159
upset the victim. They tell them all these upsetting things.

573
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.519
And on top of that, which is even worse, since

574
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:57.079
they're energetic, they can go into the patient's memory and

575
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.639
bring up every rotten thing they've ever do done and

576
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.840
rub it in their face until they're they're feeling guilty

577
00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:06.760
and shamed and whatever. They do that over and over

578
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:10.760
and over again. Yeah. So that's why these chemical crafts,

579
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:16.599
you know, the the MASE energy method, this energetic psychotherapy works.

580
00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:19.239
I mean, it actually gets rid of the trauma.

581
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:21.079
Yeah. I was just going to ask you about MACE.

582
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:24.800
So is MACE and what we were talking about earlier.

583
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:31.400
Yeah, it's an energetic psychotherapy. That what happens when most

584
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:35.960
most emotional problems come from trauma of some kind. And

585
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:39.119
there's nobody on this planet that doesn't get traumatized. This

586
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:41.079
is a tough traump. This is a tough planet to

587
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:44.280
work to live on. So what happens when you get

588
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:47.199
trauma you get a very bad feeling and it just

589
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:51.039
doesn't go away. And at the time you get traumatized,

590
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:54.440
you make a decision as to what part you played

591
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:57.400
in that trauma or who you are as a result

592
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.760
of it. You don't make good decison when you're in

593
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.920
a traumatic state. It's always a very bad decision about yourself.

594
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:08.320
And one of the most common is I'm worthless. It's

595
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:15.159
probably number one decision that's made, especially with kids and parents,

596
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:18.239
you know, or husband and wives. I mean, that's one

597
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:21.440
of the first ones. So this stuff just stays there

598
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:24.239
and it rots and it you know, being in a

599
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:29.639
negative depressive state is not survival. You know, it impairs

600
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.679
in ped your's survival. So the ego shows up and goes,

601
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:35.000
let me handle this, and it takes it and it

602
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:39.599
buries it into subconscious mind, so you're no longer seeing it.

603
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:42.599
It's now subconscious, but it's still alive.

604
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:45.679
And it manifests and manifest.

605
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:48.679
Because it's alive, it manifest and the way it manifests

606
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:53.840
is it projects out. So anybody, anybody who reminds you

607
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:57.960
of the person who traumatized you sets this thing off.

608
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:01.000
So it's taking that and going it's out there. It's

609
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:04.400
not in you. So here's this big body of negative energy.

610
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:08.679
We call it a negative identity. It's like a computer virus,

611
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:11.719
only it's a mind virus, and it's in the person's

612
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:15.800
mind and it's affecting their behavior, but yet it's directing

613
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.320
the person to look outside for the reason. And the

614
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.599
reason isn't outside just buried stuff in there. So what

615
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.480
it'll say is when enough of these traits are triggered,

616
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:29.400
it'll say that guy. They don't like that guy. You

617
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:32.719
either attack him or run from them, or avoid him.

618
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:36.519
The other way it manifest is when you've already been

619
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:39.880
in trouble for something and you swear to yourself, well,

620
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:41.599
I'm never going to get in trouble for this again,

621
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:45.119
and six months later you're right back there again. How

622
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:46.840
did I get back here? It's where I'd never do

623
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:51.000
this again. That's that negative identity. So what MACE does

624
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:57.320
It has a spiritual component unlike any other psychotherapy I know,

625
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.880
and it doesn't work without that spiritual component. MACE found

626
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:07.079
that negative energy, which is these mind viruses, will travel

627
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:10.920
or attracted by positive energy, which is a spirit. OK.

628
00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:14.679
So what BASE basically does is it builds a bridge

629
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:19.760
between this negative energy you know, it finds it, it identifies,

630
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.719
it builds a bridge between it and your spirit, and

631
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:28.599
then your attention will drive that negative energy to your

632
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:32.119
spirit and your spirit will transmute it into positive energy,

633
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:37.079
so the person feels more energized afterward, and it works

634
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:39.639
better than anything I've ever seen in my time.

635
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:40.480
I got to do this.

636
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:46.159
Anything to work as well systems In an hour, it's done.

637
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:48.719
Yeah, I got to do this to my with myself,

638
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:52.320
for sure. I got to get no no, but I've

639
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:54.760
got to get somebody to help me with it. I mean,

640
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:57.679
as a veteran myself, I've got got a lot of

641
00:38:57.679 --> 00:38:58.760
guilt to deal with.

642
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:01.000
And tell you what all all the arrange with you.

643
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:05.599
There's a sergeant major who's just retired from the Air

644
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:09.760
Air Guard. She'll she'll give you when you tell her

645
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:15.480
you're a veteran's been trying to break into the veterans.

646
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:18.199
I think I gave you her address earlier right now?

647
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:19.360
Is that her?

648
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:25.599
Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, I'll write her and tell you

649
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:27.679
about her, and I'm sure she will give you one

650
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:30.559
for free. She wants to break into the veterans because

651
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:33.199
she's she's been to a wreck, she's been to a range.

652
00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:36.199
She was she's this little girl like you know, she's

653
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:39.280
like five feet and she was a machine gunner on

654
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:43.440
the HUMBI. Yeah, she's been to wreck and all throughout

655
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:44.719
the Middle East.

656
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:48.559
You know, I have a lot of veteran friends, lots

657
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:51.800
and like I told you, and you know, before working

658
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.079
for the VA, you know, you meet a lot of folks.

659
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:56.760
So I've got a.

660
00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:58.159
Well, were trying to break into the VA.

661
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:01.280
Yeah, you can't eat. But there's a lot of really good,

662
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:05.440
better nonprofits that you could probably do work with for sure,

663
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:06.719
let us know.

664
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:10.480
Yeah, I will sure because I've never seen anything work

665
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:14.679
this well. Well, it works with schizophrenics. If the voices

666
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:18.320
aren't strong, it'll get rid of them. If they're moderately strong.

667
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:20.360
If you can't get rid of them, it will get

668
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:21.960
rid of the trauma that they feed off.

669
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.840
Okay, now, yeah, if.

670
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:28.320
The person can't concentrate, or if they can't form an

671
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:29.960
image in their mind, it doesn't work.

672
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:34.320
So are we thinking we're talking demons or something different?

673
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:35.119
I mean, I know we.

674
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:39.360
See the negative the negative identities aren't demons. That's more

675
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:45.360
like a program, right, It's like a virus, correct, almost

676
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:51.239
like a parasite. But the voices are entities, entities of

677
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:55.440
some sort. And if you look at this list of patterns,

678
00:40:55.679 --> 00:41:00.840
and you look at the patterns that narcissists run, Okay,

679
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:06.000
these are they're almost identical, except the narcissist is feeding

680
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:10.559
off a high energy human being and draining them, and

681
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:16.239
psychotic courses are feeding off low energy, low vibrating people.

682
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:18.880
So they like they go after the wounded, the ones

683
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:21.960
that have severe physical, sexual, and emotional abuse.

684
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:26.559
All right, wow, yeah, the way you bring it up

685
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.199
to it, it hits me. I get it. I understand

686
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:32.840
where what you're saying about MACE and how it works,

687
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:38.079
and that is something that they just don't do the

688
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:38.719
the mafia.

689
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:43.159
And there's no spiritual component, no zero. Without that spiritual

690
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:47.719
component wouldn't work, It would mean because it's the spirit

691
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:50.679
that doesn't work. All MACE does is bridge, builds the

692
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:54.559
bridge between the spirit and this body of negative energy,

693
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:58.840
and once they're put together, the spirit will transmute it.

694
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:00.880
It may take a little while, but it can usually

695
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:01.880
be done within an hour.

696
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:02.719
Right.

697
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:06.079
So I've been using MACE for I've been working with

698
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:08.800
it for over three years now, and they train me

699
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:12.079
and everything under the sun. You know, when I was licensed,

700
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:14.039
I dropped my license because I knew they would go

701
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:17.199
after me for telling the truth. You know, but base

702
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:19.280
they have no idea how it works and what it

703
00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:23.199
does or you know, it's like some foreign language to them.

704
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:26.000
They have no idea, you know that they're so far

705
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:30.159
out into you know, mental illness is a physical illness.

706
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:33.880
There's something physically wrong. In some cases there are, but

707
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:37.000
in most cases it's not. So these these these patterns,

708
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.079
they go on and on. The voices get louder after sunset.

709
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:43.000
Isn't that interesting? Yeah?

710
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:44.239
That is interesting.

711
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:48.119
And the old folks on they have something called sundown

712
00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:52.000
or syndrome where these old guys with Alzheimer's and stuff,

713
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:55.840
they start getting crazy after sunset. And the schizophrenics will

714
00:42:55.840 --> 00:43:00.400
tell you that they feel the worst after sunset. You know,

715
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:05.159
it's like and it's just like being in the pits

716
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:07.480
of hell after sunset. You know. I've been with several

717
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:11.079
psychiatrists that would tell the patients, oh, they're just hallucinations,

718
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:15.039
just ignore them. You know. I'd pull those patients back

719
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:16.679
and I'd say, well, what happened when you try to

720
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:19.719
ignore them? They said, didn't work? Well, they got they

721
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:23.440
got louder. So that's another consistent three. They will not

722
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:26.480
be ignored. If you try to ignore them, they get

723
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:30.239
much louder, they get much more forceful. They always foster

724
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:36.559
self destructive behavior, self sabotage, kill yourself, mess yourself up,

725
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:39.679
get in trouble with other people, because that generates that

726
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:43.000
negative emotional energy that they feed off of. You might

727
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:46.199
call it loosh. They foster isolation. They want the person

728
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:49.159
to be isolated, alone in their bedrooms, listening to them

729
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.199
all the time. Anybody who tries to help them is

730
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.519
considered an enemy and the voices attack them.

731
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:57.280
Yeah, we would definitely go through phases with guys and

732
00:43:57.360 --> 00:43:59.920
guys where they would get seems like they would get

733
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:05.159
better and then they would always relapse. And why And

734
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:09.679
it's always that consistent behavior. It's always the same behaviors

735
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:10.679
over and over again.

736
00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:14.719
I ran into that also, and I didn't understand it

737
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:17.920
for years. I would watch it because I was working

738
00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:21.000
in a psychiatric rehab center. So what we were doing

739
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:24.480
was training these people in skills like you know, cosmetology

740
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:26.800
and water repair or something like that so they could

741
00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:29.480
get out of the hospital and work. The problem is

742
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:33.559
most of them would always go off their drugs. Yeah,

743
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:36.360
and you can't blame them because the side effects of

744
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:40.119
those drugs are just they're god awful. You know. Here's

745
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:43.639
a list of side effects and this is just for antidepressants. Nausea,

746
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:46.599
a weight gain, trouble, sleeping, dry mouth, blur vision. Now

747
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:51.719
this is for an antidepressant. Busyness, anxiety, headache, diarrhea, constipation,

748
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:56.840
sexual problems, fatigue, tremors, increased swelling, lower alcohol tolerance, bleeding,

749
00:44:57.079 --> 00:45:01.039
lower sodium levels, vomiting, restlessness, muscle cream, seizures, and it

750
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:03.119
just goes on and on. The ones for any psychotic

751
00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:08.239
drugs are even worse. That was definitely a factor in

752
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:12.599
them going off. The drugs felt awful, they were toxic,

753
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:16.800
and eventually they would go off them. But I would go, well,

754
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:22.159
what's worse you being floridly psychotic or having some after

755
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:25.480
effects from the medicine. So I started doing a survey

756
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:27.360
on that, and the guys who went off their meds

757
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:30.239
after they reconstituted and were saying again, I'd give them,

758
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:33.000
you know, a piece of paper, and I'd say, well,

759
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:37.519
write down all the side effects of the medicines you

760
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:40.800
were taking. And they'd write down a handful of side effects,

761
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:43.079
and none of them were any good. And then I

762
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:46.400
went to the DSM and I got all the characteristics

763
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:50.719
of schizoph paranoid schizophrenia, plus all the ones I saw

764
00:45:50.760 --> 00:46:00.159
for myself. You know, nightmares, audio, you know, seeing monsters, know,

765
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:03.519
hearing things in your head. I mean, the abject paranoia.

766
00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:06.320
I mean all these horrible, horrible traits. It's like a

767
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:09.239
living hell. And I wrote those down and turned it

768
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:12.400
into a check sheet. So after they filled out their

769
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:16.920
side effects thing, I'd say, okay, how about filling this out.

770
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:19.400
How about checking each one of these traits that you

771
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:23.320
had while you were psychotic? Right? And they check them off,

772
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:25.599
And then I'd give them both pieces of paper and

773
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:30.840
I'd say, okay, which is worse the side effects? Worse

774
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:34.800
than being psychotic? Every single one of them said, no,

775
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:39.159
the side of the side effects weren't near as bad

776
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:42.760
as being psychotic. And then I'd ask them, you know, well,

777
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:46.039
why'd you go off your minteent? You know, if you

778
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:48.000
knew you were going to get psychotic, and you know

779
00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:51.079
what that's like, it's a living hell. Why did you

780
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:53.119
stop your mint? What do you think?

781
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:57.719
They said, the voice has told me to Well not yet, no,

782
00:46:57.760 --> 00:46:58.599
not yet.

783
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:05.119
Yet, they said, I don't know, I don't know. They

784
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:07.199
had no idea why they were going off their meds.

785
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:08.000
Yeah.

786
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:10.800
Now, the voices that eventually came into it, but it

787
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:13.320
was seven years after. I was at that state hospital

788
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:17.039
for seven years. What happened was one of the gals

789
00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:20.400
who was taking cosmetology and making good grades. She was

790
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:22.440
a great student as long as she was on her meds.

791
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:25.960
And the meds only work because they calmed the person down.

792
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:29.960
You know, the voices want them upset. So what these

793
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:34.519
meds are based major tranquilizers, and they're only treating the symptoms.

794
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:36.800
So if they go off the meds, the voices come

795
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:39.760
right back, They're right back there, They're back to being

796
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:43.400
psychotic again. They only worked because they're calming the person down.

797
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:47.880
So she had already gone off for meds twice, and

798
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:50.719
I got called down to the cosmetology school and here

799
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:54.199
she was going nuts. I mean she was going crazy.

800
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:59.079
She was in the corner, you know, hallucinating and completely psychotic.

801
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.039
So I had to bring her back to her remedicated

802
00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:05.239
and when she reconstituted, I had to tell her, well,

803
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.079
this is the third time he went up to meds.

804
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:09.119
We're going to have to discharge you from the program.

805
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:11.280
And I had to call her mother, and her mother

806
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:13.880
went out. She said, no, please, don't do that. I

807
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:16.760
can't deal with her. You know, I've dealt with this

808
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:19.920
for years. Please don't discharge her. At least let her

809
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:24.639
finish her school. And I said, well, she said, I'll

810
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:26.719
come up and we'll find out why she went off

811
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:29.519
her meds. And I'm like, oh, somebody else is going

812
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:31.840
to help me with this problem. So I said, all right,

813
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:35.239
come on up, you know, and she showed up one

814
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:39.920
Friday afternoon and we were sitting in my office talking

815
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:42.920
and then the patient came in and then we closed

816
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:45.760
the door, and both of us are asking why did

817
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.480
you do it? Of course, she said, well, beside effects,

818
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.599
and then I said I talked to her. I said, well,

819
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:58.440
what's worse. You know, all these nasty symptoms of you know,

820
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:02.599
psychosis or or the side effects. She said, well, you

821
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:05.840
know the psychosis is worse. And well, then why did

822
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:08.440
you do it? She said, you won't believe me, And

823
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:10.239
I told her, I said, well, I've heard some pretty

824
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:12.519
strange stuff working here. I don't think you're going to

825
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:14.400
say anything that's going to throw me out of kilter.

826
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:18.280
And she said, okay, I'll tell you. She said, the

827
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:25.199
voices told me that I was being poisoned by the psychiatrists,

828
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:27.400
and they were pointing to the side effects of the

829
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:32.519
medicine as the result of the voice. And it was true.

830
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:35.760
I mean, it was true. Those drugs were toxic. The

831
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:39.920
side effects were the toxic effects of those drugs. Now

832
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:42.440
that answered another question for me too, because what I

833
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.760
was watching when I first started there is that psychiatrists

834
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:48.760
were getting beat up at a rate much higher than

835
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:52.400
any other staff member, higher than psych nurses, higher than

836
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:56.840
regular doctors or dentists, or nurses or counselors or even psychologists.

837
00:49:57.119 --> 00:49:59.719
They were getting beat up at a rate higher than

838
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:02.119
any of those people. The rate of assaults on them

839
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:05.920
was equivalent to that of attendant staff that were on

840
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:08.320
the on the on the wards with these people twenty

841
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:11.000
four hours a day. And I never could figure out,

842
00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:15.239
what are these what are the psychiatrists doing in fifteen

843
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:18.280
or twenty minutes a month, They're causing all these patients

844
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:21.039
to beat them up, to assault them, you know, it

845
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:23.599
just didn't make any sense to you know, And at

846
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:26.199
times I was in there with psychiatrists, I never saw

847
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:31.119
anything that they did that would provoke you know, there

848
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:33.519
were some of them that were kind of irritable, but

849
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:37.559
it wouldn't have been enough to provoke an attack. Thought

850
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:42.239
I didn't think so when she said that, she said,

851
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:46.679
the voices were telling me not to take the medications,

852
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:49.800
you know. And you know it was the talk of

853
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:51.960
we didn't have cell phones back then. We had the

854
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:54.920
dial up phones. So the what do you call it,

855
00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:58.119
the grapevine was in the in the hospital cafeteria. Yeah,

856
00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:00.480
because you know, central State hostile. But it was in

857
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:03.239
the middle of nowhere. You know, there wasn't any big

858
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:06.920
city nearby. There wasn't any No McDonald's existed at the time.

859
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:09.480
There wasn't any you know, we had to drive thirty

860
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:13.000
miles to make and to go to a crystal Hamburger place.

861
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:14.000
Right.

862
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:18.800
So you you either ate at the central Kitchen, which

863
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:23.119
was feeding food for seventy five cents a meal, which

864
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:28.360
wasn't too much better than the what the patient's got, right,

865
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:31.239
or you waited a little Mom and Papa restaurant in town,

866
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:33.800
you know, every once in a while, but you know,

867
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:37.639
eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner at the Central Kitchen, and

868
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:40.760
that's where all the you know, the talk of, hey,

869
00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:46.000
psychiatrist Joe got beat up over on you know River unit.

870
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:49.519
You know, last night, it's like and these things would

871
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.480
come up periodically and it was always psychiatrists, and I'm like,

872
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:56.199
what's going on. So when she said that, it all

873
00:51:56.239 --> 00:52:00.239
made sense. You know, the voices are telling these these

874
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:03.360
patients that the doctor's poison them. And I heard that

875
00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:06.480
from several of the patients myself. They never beat up

876
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:10.559
a psychiatrist, but they were saying they're poisoning, they're poisoning.

877
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:15.480
But I think that attributes I think I think psychiatrists,

878
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:19.920
especially in those institutions, were afraid of schizophrenics. And when

879
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:24.480
I started asking the schizophrenics questions about the voices, they

880
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:26.920
started telling me, you know what. And it took about

881
00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:29.199
a year or two years to get them to trust me,

882
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:32.840
because my job was to basically turn them into psychiatry

883
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:36.639
if they were decompensating, you know, and you could counsel

884
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:39.280
them all you wanted. But you know, trying to counsel

885
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:44.519
with schizophrenics is like talking to a pig. It just

886
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:46.559
doesn't work. It's like trying to shoot a rhino in

887
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:48.960
the butt with a baby rifle. You know, it just

888
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:54.599
it just doesn't register, you know. So one day, one

889
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:56.800
of the one of the patients these voices got pissed

890
00:52:56.840 --> 00:52:58.880
at me for asking questions about him. He went and

891
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:02.239
told the psychiatrists on the unit that I was asking

892
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:06.039
questions about the voices and I was upsetting him. The

893
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:08.719
next morning, I got pulled up in the psychiatrist's office

894
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:13.400
and I was told, you will not ask patients about

895
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:17.079
their voices. The voices are hallucinations, and all you're doing

896
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:20.679
by asking questions is reinforcing the hallucinations and making the

897
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:23.880
patients worse. And if you keep doing this, there will

898
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:29.000
be repercussions. So I was threatened twice by psychiatrists that way.

899
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:33.239
And so while I was at the state hospital, I

900
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:36.119
had to put it in first gear. You know, I

901
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:38.199
had to be very careful. I had to slow down

902
00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:40.559
and to make sure I didn't provoke any of these guys.

903
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:44.360
I couldn't pressure them. But you know, after I graduated

904
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:48.079
from there, went to the PhD program, got out of there,

905
00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:51.280
and then I took a job with the psychology department

906
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:55.440
at one of the bigger arias on the state prisons.

907
00:53:56.400 --> 00:54:00.639
It was full of PSCH schizophrenics. You know, it was

908
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:02.679
like a relief to get away from them for a while.

909
00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:05.199
You know, It's like I didn't have any answers I

910
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:09.039
just had questions, you know, I had patterns. Yes, I

911
00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:11.079
didn't know what was causing this, and it was driving

912
00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:13.639
me nuts, and it was like I wanted to do

913
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:15.920
something else, you know. I went work for the alcoholics

914
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:17.760
for a while in one of the mental health centers,

915
00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:20.119
just to get away from the schizophrenics because they were

916
00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:22.559
driving me nuts. And then once I got the job

917
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.199
at the prison, there they were again. So it was

918
00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:27.239
like this big hand picked me up and said, okay,

919
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:29.079
you had your break, get back in there and throw

920
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:33.000
it back in. And right away it's like I started thinking, well, okay,

921
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:34.599
what's going on with these friggin people.

922
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:37.280
Yeah, it's got to be frustrating too to not be

923
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:41.159
able to really do what you want to do job

924
00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:44.679
like digging in to figure out what is actually going on.

925
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:47.719
And you might know, or you might have your suspicions,

926
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:51.639
but you can't really treat them the way that you

927
00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:54.840
would treat them because they wouldn't allow it.

928
00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:58.800
Yeah, and if any psychiatrists found out about it, you know,

929
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:01.800
if I came up with well, these things aren't they're

930
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:04.960
not hallucinations, these entities, yeah, that would be the end.

931
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:06.159
Yah, he'd be done.

932
00:55:06.440 --> 00:55:08.519
The end to be done. You know, this guy's a whaco.

933
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:12.480
But at the prison there were plenty of schizophrenics because

934
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:16.159
they'd closed down all the state hospitals. And how they're

935
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:20.000
going to live. They either rob somebody, or they sell drugs,

936
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:22.559
you know, they can't work, they can't hold a job,

937
00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:26.920
you know, or they they live off the street begging people.

938
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:29.159
So the prison was full of them, and here I

939
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:33.719
was back with them again. But the difference was is

940
00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:36.760
I could ask them questions. And I had a lot

941
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:39.400
of autonomy to start with. So that was there eighteen

942
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:43.360
years and the whole time investigating what these things were.

943
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:48.440
But the difference was is that I could ask them

944
00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:52.360
all the got I got a group of prisoners who

945
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:55.360
were psychotic but would tell me in real time what

946
00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:56.400
their voices were saying.

947
00:55:56.519 --> 00:56:00.159
Yeah, I remember reading about this that with you that

948
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:04.920
you were able to actually ask, like give a questionnaire

949
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:09.679
to the entity. Yeah, it's just huge.

950
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:13.199
So I could ask them all all the questions I

951
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:15.800
wanted through the patient. But the patient would say, well,

952
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:17.920
the voices are saying this. They're saying you're crazy and

953
00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:19.880
you're stupid. Not to listen to you, not to come

954
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:22.440
back here. It was a common thing they said, and

955
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:24.679
I would ask them, well, what are the voices telling you?

956
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:28.559
And I had I had transcripts of that because I

957
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:30.440
could pull one up before we're done and just read

958
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:32.920
a little bit of it. But they would tell me

959
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:35.199
in real time what the voices were saying. If any

960
00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:37.480
of them went to the warden and complained to the

961
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:41.800
warden about Hey, this, the psyche is asking me questions

962
00:56:41.800 --> 00:56:44.559
about the voices and I don't like it. The word

963
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:47.159
get out of my pace. Man, they're playing in the traffic.

964
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:50.920
You know that that doesn't even hit you know, the

965
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:55.239
line to warrant any attention. Yeah, And the prison was

966
00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:59.320
set up for violent behavior, so I could push these guns, gotcha,

967
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:02.599
I could push him until they started cracking a little

968
00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:05.039
bit and take a closer look at it. And that

969
00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:07.280
the prison was set up to deal with that. So

970
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:11.159
you know, I'm sure if the psychiatrist or the chief

971
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:13.360
psychologists found out what I was doing, and that's what

972
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:17.880
happened eventually, is when when these people started recovering, when

973
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:24.800
they schizophreny is completely gone. When chief psychiat psychologists found

974
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:27.519
out about that, who was my boss, he went nuts.

975
00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:30.800
I thought he would be happy, and he paced around

976
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:33.800
like a freaking demon, and he was going, what's he doing?

977
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:37.159
What's he doing? So he sent this other psychologists down

978
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:39.599
to investigate and talk to some of the patients that

979
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:42.880
I'd worked with that the voices were gone, and he's

980
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:45.119
asking this one guy, what's he doing to you? What

981
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:46.960
do you do? What is he doing in your You know,

982
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:49.800
in the sessions, they knew what he was doing, you know,

983
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:52.679
they knew what he was doing, so they didn't tell him.

984
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:55.199
And this guy said, well, he's helping us, not like

985
00:57:55.280 --> 00:58:00.599
tew asshole, and that that infuriated you know. Yeah, this

986
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:03.719
psychologist he looked into patient's record and he had a

987
00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:07.320
valid MMPI when the guy came into prison, and that

988
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:10.559
MMPI said this guy was psychotic and it was one

989
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:13.760
of the most researched personality inventories they have. It's the

990
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:16.519
gold standard. So he asked this patient, he said, would

991
00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:19.840
you be willing to take another MMPI? The patient said sure,

992
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:21.880
so he gave them another one, scored it up. It

993
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:24.840
was a valid profile and the patient was no longer

994
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:28.840
psychotic according to their gold standard tests. So that upset

995
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:31.639
them even more. He went back to the chief psychologists

996
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:34.599
and told him that the chief psychologists was pacing around

997
00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:38.119
like a demon. He was very upset with this, and

998
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:41.840
I'm like, why, why they're not taking these expensive drugs anymore.

999
00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:44.480
They're not psychotic anymore, they can go out and work.

1000
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:47.679
Why are these guys acting like demons? What's going on

1001
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:51.239
with them? So, you know, they were going after me.

1002
00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:54.599
You know, the more they recovered, the more they went

1003
00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:58.320
after me, until one guy finally squealed on me. You know,

1004
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:01.559
by that time, I had almost enough time to retire,

1005
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:04.639
so I bought back some time from the retirement system

1006
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:09.119
and hit the ejection seat, got the hell out of there.

1007
00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:14.519
Those prisons they belonged to the demons. They owned those places,

1008
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:17.239
you know. Sherry Sweening, my co author in this, we

1009
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:19.880
wrote this book together. She talks about how we came

1010
00:59:19.960 --> 00:59:24.679
to the conclusion that these things were demons, right, and

1011
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:27.679
she was hearing these voices when she was a young girl.

1012
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:30.000
You could get this on my website, by the way.

1013
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:32.679
Yeah, that's what I was looking. I have the name

1014
00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:35.719
written down, and I can't remember. I can't find it.

1015
00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:39.400
An amazing journey into the psychotic mind, breaking the spell

1016
00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:46.000
of the Ivory Tower. Absolutely question, I lost my train

1017
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:46.400
of thought.

1018
00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:49.880
Yeah, I'm trying to remember. Well, as let's see, I

1019
00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:53.639
had a question, Now, what's going both of us are

1020
00:59:55.559 --> 01:00:00.679
what So after decades of this work, right, what spiritual

1021
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:04.719
beliefs or practices have become central to your life?

1022
01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:11.880
Well, I don't subscribe to any one religion. I've studied

1023
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:16.840
many I've read a lot of spiritual stuff. I know

1024
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:22.000
these demons sugist. So let me finish that story and

1025
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:25.400
I'll tell you the dark side. And if there's a

1026
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:30.320
dark side, there's a light side. Yeah. So, as these

1027
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:34.360
patterns started materializing, I started. I had my group of

1028
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:37.559
psychotics and I was working with them every week. I

1029
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:40.639
get them homework. Go try this and come back and

1030
01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:43.519
tell me what happened. You know, the twenty third song.

1031
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:45.960
They hated the twenty third song. So I started passing

1032
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:49.280
out the twenty third song. The voices hated the twenty

1033
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:53.000
third song. The chief psychologists found that I was passing

1034
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:55.239
out the twenty third song and ordered me to stop.

1035
01:00:56.920 --> 01:01:00.000
You know, so here here I had to be very

1036
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:02.079
careful with them. So I had to again, I had

1037
01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:05.440
to fly under the radar. But now they were watching

1038
01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:08.119
me because these guys were they were they were recovering

1039
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:11.280
from schizophrenia, which is something that wasn't supposed to happen

1040
01:01:11.639 --> 01:01:14.559
right now. It took me six months in some cases

1041
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:16.760
because I didn't know as much then as I know

1042
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:21.360
now to get rid of these things. But it was possible.

1043
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:24.119
You know. It was flying in the face of the

1044
01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:27.119
psychiatric mofis saying there is no cure.

1045
01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:30.679
Yeah, they said, just what it is, the life sentence.

1046
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:32.400
The only thing you could do is take our toxic

1047
01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:34.639
drugs for the rest of your life and come and

1048
01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:38.000
see me and pay one hundred and fifty bucks a

1049
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:41.199
visit and then eight hundred dollars a month for these

1050
01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:46.559
toxic drugs, which by the way, you know so coast

1051
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:50.119
about one thousand dollars a month. Or somebody that stays

1052
01:01:50.119 --> 01:01:53.159
sane on these drugs, you go across the border in Mexico.

1053
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:55.920
I'm sixty miles north of the Mexican border here in Tucson.

1054
01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:58.880
You go there, you can buy those same drugs, not

1055
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:02.400
for eight hundred dollars, for seventy five manufactured by the

1056
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:07.360
same companies. So these bastards are just ripping off the

1057
01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:11.000
United States citizen with not only these drugs, but all

1058
01:02:11.039 --> 01:02:14.079
the drugs that they're putting out and thank god recently

1059
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:17.000
Trump just said you will not do that. You will

1060
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:21.880
get paid as much as the lowest country anywhere in

1061
01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:24.320
the world that you're selling these drugs is paying for

1062
01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:30.159
these drugs. Major blow to the psychiatric mafia and big fun.

1063
01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:34.039
So that's why medical costs were so expensive. These damn

1064
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:36.320
drug companies were sucking the blood out of the US

1065
01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:39.840
citizens and hiding it saying, oh, it's the research costs.

1066
01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:43.559
The research costs, they're astronomical, but they're not astronomical for

1067
01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:49.320
Spain or Britain, or Belgium or Mexico.

1068
01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:52.960
Or the research costs were done thirty years ago. I

1069
01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:55.199
think you've recouped your cost well.

1070
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:58.320
With any psychotics, they were discovered by accident. There was

1071
01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:00.599
no research costs in there. They were just covered by

1072
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:05.639
a die dye factory. And in Germany pheneusising. All the

1073
01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:07.840
all the people that worked in that die factory were

1074
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:12.519
all like, we're wondering why. So one of the one

1075
01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:19.199
of the French pharmaceutical agents came and extracted the phenothiasings

1076
01:03:19.639 --> 01:03:24.400
from these dies and then they were going, well, this

1077
01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:27.280
will work for psychiatric patients, this will calm them down.

1078
01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:30.039
But at that time they had the Fordians had taken

1079
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:33.039
over the system, and the Fordians were saying, we know

1080
01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:35.559
it all. You know, we're not going to let you

1081
01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:38.519
give drugs to these patients. So they came to the

1082
01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:41.639
US and they went to a psychiatric hospital in the

1083
01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:45.960
US and they passed out these phenothyasins to the memory

1084
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:48.559
old people and in this psych hospital, and it numbed

1085
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:55.239
them all down. They were all zombies perfect. It sold

1086
01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:59.199
like wildfire. So they just they were making drug sales

1087
01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:04.920
left them right, you know. Right now, antidepressing drugs are

1088
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:11.199
making fourteen point two billion dollars billion, not million, billion

1089
01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:15.960
dollars a year. Anti psychotic drugs are making fourteen point

1090
01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:20.360
seven billion dollars a year for these drugs that are

1091
01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:24.320
destroying these people's nervous systems, and that aren't sure in anything.

1092
01:04:25.519 --> 01:04:29.920
So here again. You've got more psychiatrists, more psychologists, more

1093
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:33.360
psychiatric drugs on this planet now than in the history

1094
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:37.280
of mankind. And people are getting sicker, nobody is getting better,

1095
01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:41.840
and their wallets are being drained like a freaking vacuum,

1096
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:45.360
and they're turning them into freaking zombies and destroying their

1097
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:57.519
central nervouses. Man, it's like, what's interesting. You got to

1098
01:04:57.519 --> 01:05:01.320
bring these guys in. Yeah, you know, I think seventy

1099
01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:04.440
five percent of what they do Mace could do better

1100
01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:07.159
because you don't. These guys don't listen to anybody. Walk

1101
01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:09.079
into their office, you tell them much. Your problem is

1102
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:11.599
you'll come out with some kind of drug. That's all.

1103
01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:14.840
Those are the drug pushers for this foreign pharmaceutical industry.

1104
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:18.199
You won't find many that actually spend time talking to

1105
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:24.079
the patients, you know, especially in the institutions and the

1106
01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:28.599
psychic and uh you know, military and a Central State hospital.

1107
01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:32.360
They spent fifteen twenty minutes a month with them. That's it. Oh,

1108
01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:34.880
how's your how's your drugs? You know you're still hearing

1109
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:39.920
voice and that's all they did or light.

1110
01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:45.920
And scale right, man.

1111
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:49.440
So these people are very deceptive. And then you and

1112
01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:52.880
you have all these people waiting to go see them,

1113
01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:58.480
you know where they wouldn't Mace. They won't allow MACE

1114
01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:02.639
to get out there. You know the Mace entergy method. Now,

1115
01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:06.480
the guy who came up with it, they took it

1116
01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:10.679
to Australia and they went to one of the universities

1117
01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:14.559
and demonstrated how well MACE worked. And the University said,

1118
01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:18.519
if you give us the patent for it, Well, May said,

1119
01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:21.320
no wayse it took me a lifetime to come up

1120
01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:23.920
with this. He spent his entire lifetime working on the

1121
01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:27.280
system before he got it to work, and then they

1122
01:06:27.280 --> 01:06:30.960
took it to the Australian legislature, showed then how well

1123
01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:33.760
it worked, and they just blew it off. So there's

1124
01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:36.760
only there's less than a hundred of us on the

1125
01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:37.639
planet right now.

1126
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:41.920
Yeah, I feel like we need to change that.

1127
01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:46.599
Well, that'd be nice. Yeah, So it costs about five

1128
01:06:46.639 --> 01:06:50.960
thousand dollars Australian to complete their course in it. But

1129
01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:54.159
the galut that I'm going to refer you to, she's

1130
01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:59.559
got her certification. Nice, and then I'm sure she'd be

1131
01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:02.559
well to work with other veterans free for a while,

1132
01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:05.400
just to get it into the veteran community, for sure.

1133
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:08.800
You know. But I've been a MACE therapist for over

1134
01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:12.400
three years now, and I've had hundreds of hours of

1135
01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:15.239
in service training. I had four years in psychology, two

1136
01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:18.480
years in a master's program, two years in a PhD program,

1137
01:07:18.760 --> 01:07:21.239
And they had nothing to match this, nothing that even

1138
01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:25.119
came close, right, They don't they don't know anything they

1139
01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:25.960
don't know anything.

1140
01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:31.480
So what's a message that you would want to give

1141
01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:34.679
to someone currently suffering with this stuff?

1142
01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:39.000
But I'd say you contact me on my website, or

1143
01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:44.559
go to Clausesminstitute dot com. There's a list of therapists there.

1144
01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:47.239
Or they could go to Daviano the big deal I

1145
01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:52.800
gave you, yep, man.

1146
01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:56.199
What about advice to folks, you know, young, younger folks

1147
01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:58.280
that want to get into mental health.

1148
01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:01.119
You're wasting your time in the psychology.

1149
01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:04.000
That's what I was wondering if you would say.

1150
01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:06.880
That, if you want something that really works, you know,

1151
01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:09.480
go into go to MACE. I think I was ripped

1152
01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:12.599
off by the educational system. They didn't teach me hardly

1153
01:08:12.719 --> 01:08:16.319
anything that I'm using clinically right now or have ever

1154
01:08:16.399 --> 01:08:20.159
used clinically. You know. It was just all this funk.

1155
01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:23.119
Why did I need to take six courses in advanced

1156
01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:27.720
statistics and algebra and all this math? The most math

1157
01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:29.640
I use now is to figure out my gas miloge

1158
01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:33.159
and balance my checkbook, right, And here's all this, you know,

1159
01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:38.520
six courses of this thickning advanced mathematics that I would

1160
01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:39.159
never use for.

1161
01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:45.560
Anything, right, absolutely, man.

1162
01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:50.119
The only thing is is that that got the society

1163
01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:52.800
brainwashed to believe that you've got to have a bunch

1164
01:08:52.840 --> 01:08:55.239
of letters behind your name for you to have any weight.

1165
01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:58.199
So if you've just become a mace practitioner, all you

1166
01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:01.479
will have behind your name is certified practitioner. Nobody knows

1167
01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:03.960
about it. There's no big advertisements for it.

1168
01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:06.920
Yeah, what is the endgame here? Do you think? Like,

1169
01:09:07.079 --> 01:09:09.560
I mean, it's kind of like we're at war right

1170
01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:13.399
to an extent, But what is like the what's the

1171
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:18.199
what's coming next in the battle? Like between the spiritual

1172
01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:21.640
deception whatever? What what is going on?

1173
01:09:22.039 --> 01:09:22.119
Like?

1174
01:09:22.239 --> 01:09:22.399
What?

1175
01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:25.279
Well, here's a major battle going on right now between

1176
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:30.239
light and dark. Yeah, you know, between the Dark Forces

1177
01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:32.720
and the Angelic Forces. I mean they're just slugging it

1178
01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:36.800
out right now. And in the United States the Dark

1179
01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:40.239
Forces are slowly losing ground with Trump and there, but

1180
01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:43.720
they've done everything they possibly could to stop it. Yeah,

1181
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:50.960
you know, and he's he's gonna he's gonna bring it around.

1182
01:09:51.079 --> 01:09:53.720
And you can see other you know, other countries slowly

1183
01:09:53.800 --> 01:09:56.760
changing now too. You got the Stormer being kicked out

1184
01:09:56.800 --> 01:09:57.279
in Britain.

1185
01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:01.319
Yeah, well you can feel the right Yeah, you.

1186
01:10:01.239 --> 01:10:04.199
Can feel the momentum. And then you've got this this

1187
01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:08.720
uh banker, this deep state banker, fool uh in Canada

1188
01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:12.119
who's been backed by the crown over there in Britain.

1189
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.079
You think, you think the Brits are our allies. The

1190
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:17.199
Brits are the ones that kept all these wars going

1191
01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:20.880
all these years. They're the ones behind all this. They're

1192
01:10:20.920 --> 01:10:25.439
the ones between behind these deep state banks, you know,

1193
01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:32.159
and you know you got to keep your eye on

1194
01:10:32.199 --> 01:10:38.079
them for sure. So this I didn't finish the story about. Ah,

1195
01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:41.399
that's where I was going. So I had these list

1196
01:10:41.439 --> 01:10:44.960
of patterns, started giving homework to these guys to disrupt

1197
01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:48.640
these patterns, and within a week they were coming back saying,

1198
01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:50.760
the voices don't like you, they don't like the they

1199
01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:52.760
don't like what you're doing, they don't like your homework.

1200
01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:55.520
They don't want us coming here. You're a fool. They're

1201
01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:58.119
telling us you're a fool, you're crazy. They away from

1202
01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:01.800
that guy. Well that's interesting for a hallucination, and they're

1203
01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:05.199
all saying the same thing. Yeah, you know. So I

1204
01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:09.319
kept over with the homework and these guys slowly started

1205
01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:13.560
getting better. The voices got weaker, they came less and

1206
01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:17.000
less often until they disappear. And you know, part of

1207
01:11:17.039 --> 01:11:20.239
that was turning onto a positive spiritual path and staying

1208
01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:27.800
so past that. One guy, one day, he was leaving

1209
01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:30.359
my office and he turned around in the doorway and

1210
01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:32.399
he looked at me straight in the eye, and he said,

1211
01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:34.560
you know what you're doing is dangerous, don't you. I

1212
01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:36.319
just looked at him because I've never thought about it.

1213
01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:39.600
You know, I'm going, all these things are in your head.

1214
01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:43.159
They're not in my head. You know. I'm not afraid

1215
01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:46.079
they're going to get me, you know, but they got

1216
01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:48.800
my attention. It was like a shot across the bow,

1217
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:50.920
you know, I'm like, what's that all about. The next

1218
01:11:50.920 --> 01:11:57.520
thing that happened was one of them came to my

1219
01:11:57.600 --> 01:11:59.640
office and I don't know how he got in the

1220
01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:02.760
medical without a pass, but he did. He got in

1221
01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:05.079
and knocked on my door in the site department and

1222
01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:07.399
opened the door and here he is and I hadn't

1223
01:12:07.399 --> 01:12:10.279
sent him a pass, and I said, how'd you get

1224
01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:12.640
in here? And he goes, the voices want to talk

1225
01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:15.960
to you, like they want to talk to me personally.

1226
01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:19.560
That had never happened before in almost twenty years. That

1227
01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:24.880
had never happened before. And I'm like, okay, come on in,

1228
01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:28.560
and I closed the door. He sat down and I said, well,

1229
01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:31.600
what do they have to say? And these words came

1230
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:35.640
out of his mouth. You have no right to interfere

1231
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:42.720
with our way of life. Oh yeah, my denial system.

1232
01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:45.840
I didn't want to believe in demons. I didn't want

1233
01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:47.880
anything to do with demons. I didn't want to believe

1234
01:12:47.920 --> 01:12:50.720
that the people I was working with had demons. And

1235
01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:53.399
I wanted nothing to do with demons. And that was

1236
01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:57.119
a wake up call. And the prisoner he went, that

1237
01:12:57.600 --> 01:12:59.960
wasn't me, that was them. I did not say that.

1238
01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:04.159
He said that, you know. And now I said, well

1239
01:13:04.359 --> 01:13:09.039
tell them that, and he said they can hear. They

1240
01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:12.399
can hear everything you say, they can see everything you do.

1241
01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:16.399
I don't have to tell them anything. That was another boom.

1242
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:18.039
So it was like a one two punch. It was

1243
01:13:18.079 --> 01:13:23.239
like damn bam. And I'm like, you know, psychiatrically or psychologically,

1244
01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:26.960
I was stunned. I was done. I was like he

1245
01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:29.640
walked out of there, and I was like in shell

1246
01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:32.079
shot and I closed my office door, canceled all my

1247
01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:34.159
points through that day, and just stared out the window,

1248
01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:37.079
kind of going, where's this going, what's happening? And I

1249
01:13:37.079 --> 01:13:38.640
couldn't tell anybody.

1250
01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:40.720
Who could I talk to exactly right?

1251
01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:43.680
You know. I talked to my wife and then she goes, uh,

1252
01:13:44.079 --> 01:13:46.439
you know, well, why are you picking through the minds

1253
01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:49.399
of psychotic killers and these crazy people anywhere? You shouldn't

1254
01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:52.560
be doing that. So that was off. I couldn't tell

1255
01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:55.279
her anything. So I couldn't tell anybody anything until I

1256
01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:58.159
met Sherry the co after my book, you know, and

1257
01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:00.880
that was several years later, you know, so I had

1258
01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:03.520
to keep all this crap to myself. Next thing that

1259
01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:08.840
happened is I was asking you these prisoners questions all

1260
01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:10.800
the time about the voices. What are they doing, what

1261
01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:12.920
are they saying, how are they acting, how they react

1262
01:14:12.920 --> 01:14:14.359
to this? What do they do when you do this?

1263
01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:19.000
You know, it's constant, hundreds of questions. And I was

1264
01:14:19.039 --> 01:14:21.479
reading a book by Miguel Ruis, It's called The Voice

1265
01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:24.000
of Knowledge, and he was talking about these things in

1266
01:14:24.039 --> 01:14:26.880
one of the chapters. He was a South American shaman

1267
01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:30.760
that got out a higher education and he wrote this

1268
01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:33.960
book and he was talking about how they drained these

1269
01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:37.760
these entities drained people, They drained their psychological enter, their

1270
01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:41.680
psychiatric energy, their energy. And I brought that book into

1271
01:14:41.680 --> 01:14:44.600
the prison and brought one of these guys in, and

1272
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:46.720
I said, I'd like your opinion on what this guy

1273
01:14:46.760 --> 01:14:49.439
has to say about the you know, these voices. So

1274
01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:52.119
I started reading it and I got to the point

1275
01:14:52.239 --> 01:14:56.880
where he was talking about his energy, these things sucking energy,

1276
01:14:57.079 --> 01:15:03.039
that they were parasites. Yeah, and he just froze up

1277
01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:05.039
and he's looking at me like a zombie. He's like,

1278
01:15:06.680 --> 01:15:11.119
just this weird stare. He just didn't say anything, and

1279
01:15:11.159 --> 01:15:16.760
then behind my head erupted this loud, crackling, electrical crackling

1280
01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:20.199
that sounded just like an arc woilder, exactly like an

1281
01:15:20.279 --> 01:15:24.359
arkholder crack crackling, and it starts moving toward the wall

1282
01:15:24.399 --> 01:15:27.239
on the right hand side of the office, and I'm like,

1283
01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:29.920
do you hear that? And he doesn't say anything. He's

1284
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:33.560
just staring at me like he's frozen, you know, like

1285
01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:36.560
a zombie, and I want he's going to attack. I

1286
01:15:36.640 --> 01:15:39.000
pushed my chair against the back of the wall in

1287
01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:41.239
case he did, so he didn't knock me over and

1288
01:15:41.279 --> 01:15:44.359
I could at least kick him back, at least I

1289
01:15:44.359 --> 01:15:49.239
have some chance. And that crackling kept going just all

1290
01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:52.640
the way up to the right hand wall, and I'm

1291
01:15:52.640 --> 01:15:55.319
trying to I'm splitting my attention between him and the crackling.

1292
01:15:55.640 --> 01:15:59.279
I don't see anything there. I don't smell anything, you know,

1293
01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:02.720
I don't feel or anything. I'm hearing it and it's loud.

1294
01:16:03.279 --> 01:16:05.359
And then it crops across the top of the ceiling

1295
01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:07.680
and it's over his head and I can then then

1296
01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:12.840
keep the ceiling and him in view. Still don't say anything.

1297
01:16:12.920 --> 01:16:16.359
And this it wasn't a short burst, you know, it

1298
01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:19.079
was two or three minutes. It lasted a long time.

1299
01:16:19.880 --> 01:16:23.079
And then it started crackling down the left hand wall

1300
01:16:23.239 --> 01:16:26.239
near where I was sitting, and I'm watching, you know,

1301
01:16:26.439 --> 01:16:29.159
kind of watching where the noise is coming from. And

1302
01:16:29.199 --> 01:16:32.039
then it jumps into this rubber made trash can near

1303
01:16:32.079 --> 01:16:35.600
my left leg, and it's crackling in there. So I

1304
01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:37.319
take a glance at him, and then I look down

1305
01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:41.840
in that trash can. There's nothing in there. Nothing. Then

1306
01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:45.600
the porter had cleaned it the night before. Right just

1307
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:49.319
like that, it stopped, you know, And then he slowly

1308
01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:52.760
starts moving and he stands up very slowly, and then

1309
01:16:52.760 --> 01:16:56.000
he starts turning toward the door and he goes ah

1310
01:16:56.920 --> 01:17:04.960
got a leave. It took me two or three months

1311
01:17:04.960 --> 01:17:09.800
to call him back before my fear overcame my curiosity

1312
01:17:10.279 --> 01:17:12.359
because I was starting to think I was I was

1313
01:17:12.399 --> 01:17:16.920
losing it now too right, that I was going psychotic. Yeah,

1314
01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:21.760
and I didn't want to be around him. No, So

1315
01:17:21.800 --> 01:17:24.600
I called him in like probably three months later. He

1316
01:17:24.680 --> 01:17:27.880
comes in and he's looking good. His energy level's good.

1317
01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:30.079
I was expecting them to be decimated, you know, to

1318
01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:33.359
be depressed and you know, rug out and you know,

1319
01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:37.039
looking like a typical psychotic. No, he looked good. I

1320
01:17:37.079 --> 01:17:39.439
made a comment, your your energy looks good. Looks like

1321
01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:41.279
you've got a lot of energy. He goes, yeah, I'm

1322
01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:44.800
feeling good. I said, well, I'm surprised after what happened,

1323
01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:48.159
And I said, what are you doing? He says, I'm

1324
01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:50.479
doing what you taught me. I haven't been able to

1325
01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:52.359
get rid of them, but they haven't been able to

1326
01:17:52.359 --> 01:17:55.840
make any advancements either. It was like a Mexican standalf.

1327
01:17:56.079 --> 01:17:59.039
So he sat down and I said, you remember the

1328
01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:03.439
last time you were in here. Did you hear that crackling?

1329
01:18:04.760 --> 01:18:06.800
And he said, yeah, I heard it. He said, but

1330
01:18:06.840 --> 01:18:10.159
I was surprised you did you know? And I said

1331
01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:14.079
you know what the places was there? And he said

1332
01:18:14.199 --> 01:18:17.520
that was them And I said, then whom? He said

1333
01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:21.000
that was the voices. I had no idea the voices

1334
01:18:21.039 --> 01:18:24.119
could do anything like that. Yeah, and I said, uh,

1335
01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:29.800
what were they doing? You know what was that all about?

1336
01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:32.119
He said they were trying to scare you off and

1337
01:18:32.159 --> 01:18:34.239
I said, well they did again, damn good job of it.

1338
01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:40.199
Three months later. Yeah, and you know, then I asked him,

1339
01:18:40.600 --> 01:18:43.439
I said, uh, you know when you walked out, you

1340
01:18:43.600 --> 01:18:45.720
looked like you were hypnotized. You looked like you was

1341
01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:48.520
on me. I said, what were the voices telling you?

1342
01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:51.039
Then he said they were telling me to go get

1343
01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:54.920
a shank and stick it in your belly. And I went, oh,

1344
01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:57.079
he wouldn't do that. I'd worked with them for six months.

1345
01:18:57.079 --> 01:18:59.479
I know him, I know him well, you know, I

1346
01:18:59.479 --> 01:19:02.319
know what happened to him. I mean, they wouldn't do

1347
01:19:02.359 --> 01:19:04.840
anything like that. So I asked him, I said, well,

1348
01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:08.720
why didn't you do it? And he said I couldn't

1349
01:19:08.760 --> 01:19:12.319
find one. Nobody would give me one.

1350
01:19:12.800 --> 01:19:13.279
Wow.

1351
01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:19.760
That's so it was like, all right, these things to it,

1352
01:19:20.039 --> 01:19:25.640
they do exist. YEA. So it was real and real clear,

1353
01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:31.039
But it was like I walked into some place that

1354
01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:35.079
I had no cognitive map for. There was no books

1355
01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:38.079
on this. There was nobody I knew who had gone

1356
01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:41.159
there before except the people who were crazy. Now I

1357
01:19:41.159 --> 01:19:44.479
could talk to the psychotic people about this. I could

1358
01:19:44.479 --> 01:19:46.920
talk to the schizophrenics about this kind of stuff, but

1359
01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:49.279
I couldn't talk to any normal person about it. It

1360
01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:52.439
was like there were two different worlds and they played

1361
01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:56.800
by different rules. The only thing is I know pretty

1362
01:19:56.880 --> 01:19:59.560
much all the rules of the same world. I didn't

1363
01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:03.159
know many roles of the insane except that were running

1364
01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:06.840
patterns and that these things were entities. I didn't know

1365
01:20:06.920 --> 01:20:09.960
anything else about it. And here I was like I

1366
01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:12.840
had one foot in each world. You know, part of

1367
01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:15.640
me is feeling like I was going insane, and the

1368
01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:18.279
other part is going, well, what's going on with you?

1369
01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:20.520
And what's going on with all this insanity stuff?

1370
01:20:20.840 --> 01:20:21.079
Right?

1371
01:20:21.720 --> 01:20:25.640
So, while I was working in the prison, I was

1372
01:20:25.680 --> 01:20:30.039
also going for my commercial pilot's license and sailplanes. I

1373
01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:35.279
was flying high performance sailplanes airplanes without engines. Yeah, and

1374
01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:38.279
I already had my private pilot for a long long time.

1375
01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:40.199
I've had it for years. I wanted to get my

1376
01:20:40.199 --> 01:20:45.640
commercial pilot license that was two thirds more difficult. So

1377
01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:48.760
one of the things we had to practice were crash

1378
01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:54.279
landings or emergency landing. And the instructor I had, he

1379
01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:58.359
was an ex marine. I had a big ego, and

1380
01:20:58.439 --> 01:21:01.960
he kept making things harder and hard order because what

1381
01:21:02.079 --> 01:21:06.199
happened is if he called the FAA examiner in Phoenix

1382
01:21:06.600 --> 01:21:09.760
to come and give an exam, Aaron Tucson, if you

1383
01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:14.119
failed that exam, that examiner would embarrass the instructor in

1384
01:21:14.159 --> 01:21:18.159
front of the whole saleport. This guy, he couldn't take that.

1385
01:21:18.439 --> 01:21:21.079
His ego was just too big. So one of these

1386
01:21:21.199 --> 01:21:23.600
days we were walking out to the flight line. He said,

1387
01:21:23.600 --> 01:21:26.680
you're flying from the back seat today, and I'm saying,

1388
01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:29.960
why are you doing that? I can't see anything past

1389
01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:32.119
your fat head in the back seat. If their head

1390
01:21:32.159 --> 01:21:34.720
blocks the entire view of the runway, I said, on

1391
01:21:34.760 --> 01:21:37.199
top of that, I won't be taking the FAA exam

1392
01:21:37.239 --> 01:21:39.279
from the back seat. He said, you're flying from the

1393
01:21:39.279 --> 01:21:42.960
back seat. Then I was pissed. I said, okay. I

1394
01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:45.920
got in the back seat toatplane pulls us up to

1395
01:21:46.119 --> 01:21:51.199
a pattern altitude high release. And I had learned my

1396
01:21:51.319 --> 01:21:56.920
lesson earlier about hearing just what they recommend on final approach,

1397
01:21:57.319 --> 01:21:59.359
because there was one day I was on final approach

1398
01:21:59.399 --> 01:22:01.560
and I got hit by a downdraft and it almost

1399
01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:04.119
threw me into the desert. The only way you can

1400
01:22:04.159 --> 01:22:06.640
pick up speed with a glider is to nose it down.

1401
01:22:07.199 --> 01:22:09.840
So I was already close to the ground and I

1402
01:22:09.920 --> 01:22:11.880
had the nose it down to get out of that

1403
01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:15.359
sinking air. So I just barely made the runway that day.

1404
01:22:16.039 --> 01:22:18.600
So ever since then, I always carried twenty five or

1405
01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:22.119
thirty feet of extra altitude on final approach because you

1406
01:22:22.119 --> 01:22:23.920
could get rid of it in an instant. I mean

1407
01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:26.640
you could pop the die breaks, you could put it

1408
01:22:26.680 --> 01:22:29.319
into a side skid. I mean, there was no problem

1409
01:22:29.399 --> 01:22:31.880
getting rid of There was only one time I couldn't

1410
01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:33.560
get rid of it. I couldn't come down. I was

1411
01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:37.239
calling men your longest thermal, and I could not come down.

1412
01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:40.319
All other times it's easy to get that. You could

1413
01:22:40.359 --> 01:22:43.279
come down very quickly. So it we were on final approach,

1414
01:22:43.279 --> 01:22:46.880
I'm carrying twenty five thirty feet of extra altitude above

1415
01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:49.960
the recommended flight approach and he hollers back from the

1416
01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:52.520
front seat. He goes, where are you? And I said,

1417
01:22:52.520 --> 01:22:56.000
I'm high, and he goes, give me the plane. I'm like,

1418
01:22:56.560 --> 01:23:00.920
now he's taking the plane. He's taking my practice lessons

1419
01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:03.960
that I'm paying blood for. He's taking over the plane.

1420
01:23:04.079 --> 01:23:06.439
What's he going to do that I can't do? And

1421
01:23:06.520 --> 01:23:09.800
I was boiling, you know, And next thing I know,

1422
01:23:09.880 --> 01:23:13.359
he stalls the freaking plane. The die breaks are out,

1423
01:23:13.640 --> 01:23:16.359
he puts it. He put him out, the die breaks

1424
01:23:16.359 --> 01:23:19.640
are out. He stalls the plane. The plane noses down

1425
01:23:19.680 --> 01:23:23.039
at the forty five degree angle. It's not flying anymore.

1426
01:23:23.279 --> 01:23:27.079
It's coming down. It's stall, you know. And he's sitting

1427
01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:31.800
up in the front seat rigid, just like this. I'm going,

1428
01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:33.720
what happened? Did he have a heart attack? You have

1429
01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:36.239
a stroke? You know? I was expecting him to be

1430
01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:39.640
like slumped over or something. No, he was just sitting there, rigid,

1431
01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:42.399
And I'm like, when's he going to start flying the

1432
01:23:42.399 --> 01:23:45.199
freaking plane? And he still didn't put in the die break.

1433
01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:47.079
So I yelled up front. I said, Jerry, I'm closing

1434
01:23:47.119 --> 01:23:50.800
the die brakes. And I closed him and locked him

1435
01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:53.239
because he wouldn't be he wouldn't gain control of that

1436
01:23:53.279 --> 01:23:55.920
plane with the die breaks out. There's no way we

1437
01:23:55.960 --> 01:23:58.680
would have crashed. We're heading down at you know, for

1438
01:23:58.680 --> 01:24:00.880
forty five fifty miles an hour or there's nothing in

1439
01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:03.920
the front of that plane except fiberglass and aluminum tube.

1440
01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:06.840
He would have been killed. You know, I would have

1441
01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:09.319
probably been wracked up real bad. I was not killed.

1442
01:24:09.880 --> 01:24:14.079
So finally, when we're maybe fifty feet above the ground,

1443
01:24:14.359 --> 01:24:17.800
he freaking starts flying the plane. But what happened it

1444
01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:21.079
was so strange, is you know, after I closed the

1445
01:24:21.119 --> 01:24:24.560
dive breaks, here was this strange feeling. What the closest

1446
01:24:24.600 --> 01:24:26.600
I could I could get to how it felt like?

1447
01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:30.640
Was it taking like three shots of vodka one after another.

1448
01:24:31.279 --> 01:24:33.640
You know, you sit there and you go, you know,

1449
01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:37.039
like that. It was like this just very calm feeling

1450
01:24:37.680 --> 01:24:43.159
and just knowing that everything was going to be okay.

1451
01:24:43.920 --> 01:24:46.680
But it couldn't be. Looking at that cockpit, We're no

1452
01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:49.920
longer lined up with the runway. We're coming in at

1453
01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:54.119
a purple natular slant to it. Okay, So even at

1454
01:24:54.119 --> 01:24:56.800
a crash landing, it takes two hundred and fifty feet

1455
01:24:57.640 --> 01:25:00.039
with a nose skin, so you have a steel no

1456
01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:03.399
skid and the trainer and you have to drive that

1457
01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:06.159
into the ground and you're actually plowing up the ground

1458
01:25:06.359 --> 01:25:09.239
with the airplane nose to stop that thing in two

1459
01:25:09.359 --> 01:25:11.840
hundred and fifty feet, and if you go one inch

1460
01:25:11.920 --> 01:25:15.800
over that second red cone, you fail. So even when

1461
01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:18.119
if you drop that plane right on that first cone,

1462
01:25:18.239 --> 01:25:21.840
so it takes you know, it takes precise altitude and

1463
01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:26.119
airspeed to drop that thing, so it spalls out after

1464
01:25:26.199 --> 01:25:28.439
that first cone. When it hits the ground, then you

1465
01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:30.760
have to drive the nose into the ground, and you're

1466
01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:33.720
actually plowing up the ground, and it's like a plow.

1467
01:25:34.239 --> 01:25:38.199
That steel nose skid is actually throwing dirt everywhere, and

1468
01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:42.439
the plane angles up, so the nose goes up or

1469
01:25:42.880 --> 01:25:45.760
the tail goes up, and the noses plowing the ground.

1470
01:25:46.600 --> 01:25:49.159
And even then you're lucky to stop it in two

1471
01:25:49.279 --> 01:25:51.479
hundred and fifty feet. So here are we coming in

1472
01:25:51.560 --> 01:25:55.039
on an angle, perpendicular angle to a secondary runway that

1473
01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:59.359
was only thirty five feet wide. On the other side

1474
01:25:59.399 --> 01:26:02.079
of that run even if we made that runway is

1475
01:26:02.119 --> 01:26:05.560
a three foot deep ditch and a three foot high

1476
01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:10.119
pile of dirt. Right, there's no way to bring that

1477
01:26:10.199 --> 01:26:13.720
thing down without getting killed. Now, even if you could

1478
01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:17.479
touch that runway, you'd get off it into these mosquite trees,

1479
01:26:17.840 --> 01:26:21.960
down into that hole, and then then the whole front

1480
01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:24.079
of the plane would crumple, the plane would turn over,

1481
01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:28.239
and he'd be dead, and I'd be probably dead or

1482
01:26:28.399 --> 01:26:32.000
seriously hurt. But I'm sitting there calm as a cucumber.

1483
01:26:32.119 --> 01:26:34.800
That doesn't happen with me when something like that happens.

1484
01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:38.079
I mean, I've driven motorcycles, I've flown you know, scores

1485
01:26:38.079 --> 01:26:40.560
of hours. I don't just sit there and do nothing

1486
01:26:41.119 --> 01:26:44.720
when something like that's happened. But it was illegal for

1487
01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:47.319
me to touch the controls. And here's his feeling, telling

1488
01:26:47.359 --> 01:26:51.439
me sit back and watch the show. Everything's going to

1489
01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:53.720
be okay. So there was this knowing, it was an

1490
01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:57.000
absolute knowing that everything was going to be okay. But

1491
01:26:57.039 --> 01:27:00.960
it couldn't be. It couldn't be. I only started playing

1492
01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:03.720
this plane. Fifty feet above the ground. We ply through

1493
01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:06.239
the top of a palaverti tree, and I'm sitting in

1494
01:27:06.279 --> 01:27:09.039
the back seat with the window open, and the strut

1495
01:27:09.279 --> 01:27:11.880
for the wing cuts. The branch cuts a branch, and

1496
01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:14.800
that branch goes spinning by my window. So I'm sitting

1497
01:27:14.800 --> 01:27:18.159
back there watching this branch go whoo, you know. And

1498
01:27:18.199 --> 01:27:20.039
then we're coming up on the runway, and before the

1499
01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:23.079
runway is this barbed wire fence. You know, it's like

1500
01:27:23.119 --> 01:27:26.119
four feet high. If we hit that fence, if we

1501
01:27:26.119 --> 01:27:29.720
don't clear that fence, it's going to be curtains. I mean,

1502
01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:33.000
it's going to throw the plane over, or that barbed

1503
01:27:33.039 --> 01:27:35.279
wire is going to cut through the canopy and cut

1504
01:27:35.279 --> 01:27:38.520
our heads off. Right, So we got to clear the fence.

1505
01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:42.279
And I'm looking out the window, you know, back and forth,

1506
01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:44.760
looking out to the side at that barbedire fence, and

1507
01:27:44.760 --> 01:27:50.840
I'm going I'm gonna make it. Yeah, no, yeah, maybe no, yeah, yeah.

1508
01:27:51.000 --> 01:27:54.000
You know, I didn't know it was There was still

1509
01:27:54.039 --> 01:27:58.279
this strange feeling of knowing, absolutely knowing that everything was

1510
01:27:58.319 --> 01:28:00.399
going to be okay. But it couldn't be. But you

1511
01:28:00.439 --> 01:28:03.960
couldn't be. There are too many things stacked up, you know,

1512
01:28:04.199 --> 01:28:06.600
all three of them. What it could have killed us.

1513
01:28:07.600 --> 01:28:10.840
So it finally make it, just barely make it over

1514
01:28:10.880 --> 01:28:14.159
the barbera fence. And I've flown with this guy in

1515
01:28:14.199 --> 01:28:17.239
Civil Air Patrol for many flights. He wasn't that good

1516
01:28:17.239 --> 01:28:20.920
a pilot as what he just did. Its full right rudder.

1517
01:28:21.439 --> 01:28:26.119
The plane goes from flying this way the flying sideways,

1518
01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:29.479
so the wing is flying in the direction of motion.

1519
01:28:30.319 --> 01:28:32.800
It's not flying at all. The wing is pointed now

1520
01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:35.199
pointing in the direction or moving the tip of the wing,

1521
01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:37.840
so the wing is lined up with the direction of motion.

1522
01:28:38.359 --> 01:28:40.720
The whole side of the plane is now serving as

1523
01:28:40.720 --> 01:28:46.600
an air brake. So brilliant move. But he didn't do it. Yeah,

1524
01:28:47.239 --> 01:28:52.119
something else was flying that plane. So the plane falls

1525
01:28:52.159 --> 01:28:54.239
like it would be like if you got you were

1526
01:28:54.279 --> 01:28:56.600
in your chair, somebody pulled you twenty five feet in

1527
01:28:56.680 --> 01:29:00.680
the air and dropped you on hard ground. That's what

1528
01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:03.399
it was like when you're being strapped in. That plane

1529
01:29:03.479 --> 01:29:07.239
hit very hard. The wings oil can They were metal wings,

1530
01:29:07.520 --> 01:29:10.920
so you could hear the wings crumple, you know. Yeah,

1531
01:29:11.159 --> 01:29:16.359
like there was this metallic crumpling sound. And then what

1532
01:29:16.399 --> 01:29:20.600
you'd expect is since the plane is traveling sideways and

1533
01:29:20.640 --> 01:29:24.279
it's still moving side, nothing stopped it from moving sideways.

1534
01:29:24.079 --> 01:29:27.319
It stopped flying, but it's still moving sideways, and it

1535
01:29:27.439 --> 01:29:29.800
dropped out of the air and it should have went

1536
01:29:30.319 --> 01:29:34.159
boom like that flopped over because it's still moving sidew

1537
01:29:35.159 --> 01:29:38.039
it should have went boom and collapsed, and it should

1538
01:29:38.039 --> 01:29:40.520
have tore that left wing to pieces. It should have

1539
01:29:40.560 --> 01:29:43.159
just destroyed it. And it hit so hard it should

1540
01:29:43.159 --> 01:29:46.319
have collapsed the landing, and there's this big one hundred

1541
01:29:46.359 --> 01:29:51.680
foot high dust cloud from where we hit went up.

1542
01:29:51.880 --> 01:29:54.520
So here's all these guys sitting on the porch at

1543
01:29:54.520 --> 01:29:57.039
the sail port. They started running in our direction because

1544
01:29:57.039 --> 01:30:00.399
they heard the oil can they heard the bang, they

1545
01:30:00.439 --> 01:30:02.439
saw this big puff of smoke come up, and they're

1546
01:30:02.479 --> 01:30:06.199
running its full speed to that secondary runway. In the meantime,

1547
01:30:06.319 --> 01:30:10.119
Jerry finally starts moving. His name was Jerry too, and

1548
01:30:10.399 --> 01:30:13.560
he opens a canopy very slowly. Neither one of us

1549
01:30:13.560 --> 01:30:16.960
said a word. I'm still stunned at what happened. So

1550
01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:20.079
what happened? Instead of the wing flopping over like this,

1551
01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:23.960
the plane fell straight down and just stayed there. It

1552
01:30:24.119 --> 01:30:26.880
just stayed there for about three seconds, and then very

1553
01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:33.520
slowly just went That shouldn't have happened. That should not

1554
01:30:33.600 --> 01:30:35.920
have happened. It shouldn't have happened at all. You know,

1555
01:30:36.720 --> 01:30:40.359
even with what he did, the plane should have done

1556
01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:42.159
that and then skid it off into the pall of

1557
01:30:42.199 --> 01:30:47.319
dirty trees for sure, absolute laws of physical reason, it

1558
01:30:47.359 --> 01:30:49.600
should have. You know, the wing got crushed, the whole

1559
01:30:49.640 --> 01:30:52.199
rest of the plane should have skidded off into the

1560
01:30:52.239 --> 01:30:56.119
trees and in toward the ditch, you know, and been destroyed.

1561
01:30:57.319 --> 01:31:00.880
Then happened. We circled that plane in all Oh, there

1562
01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:05.319
wasn't a scratch on it, not a scratch nothing, that

1563
01:31:05.079 --> 01:31:09.479
the landing ger wasn't collapsed, the wing wasn't damaged. There

1564
01:31:09.560 --> 01:31:13.640
wasn't a scratch on it. And I turned to him

1565
01:31:13.800 --> 01:31:17.960
and he's looking stunned himself, and I said, Jerry, what happened.

1566
01:31:18.560 --> 01:31:20.880
He looks at me and he goes, I don't know.

1567
01:31:26.359 --> 01:31:28.640
Every time I think there's no God, I think of that.

1568
01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:30.800
Yeah, yeah, right exactly.

1569
01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:34.399
And that wasn't the only time that happened. Something like

1570
01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:37.479
that happened two other times, so it was like it

1571
01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:42.079
was like three times. So if I get three serendipitous

1572
01:31:42.079 --> 01:31:45.279
serendipity things happening, that's the same, then one after another

1573
01:31:45.359 --> 01:31:47.600
three times. I'd take that as a command.

1574
01:31:47.279 --> 01:31:51.640
A yeah, yeah, I would agree for sure.

1575
01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:53.119
Here's the darken the light of it.

1576
01:31:55.159 --> 01:31:55.840
Absolutely.

1577
01:31:55.920 --> 01:31:59.239
Man. There are demons, and they hit everybody. They don't

1578
01:31:59.279 --> 01:32:03.079
just hit Skitz, they hit you with negative intrusive thoughts.

1579
01:32:03.199 --> 01:32:05.640
Yeah, I've definitely had some issues.

1580
01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:07.840
You walk along your mind in your own business and

1581
01:32:07.880 --> 01:32:10.520
all of a sudden boom, you don't spit on this guy,

1582
01:32:10.600 --> 01:32:12.520
or punch that guy, or slap this guy, or do

1583
01:32:12.600 --> 01:32:15.000
this or do something that you would get you in trouble.

1584
01:32:15.159 --> 01:32:18.239
Just insane, right right, And nobody asked where do those

1585
01:32:18.239 --> 01:32:21.159
thoughts come from? Yeah, that's where they come from. They

1586
01:32:21.159 --> 01:32:26.239
come from the demonic realm. They're energetic, and all psychiatry

1587
01:32:26.279 --> 01:32:28.319
does is kind of pour drugs on your brain and

1588
01:32:28.359 --> 01:32:30.279
turn you into a zombie. They don't stop.

1589
01:32:30.439 --> 01:32:34.039
It's almost like an amplification. Really, I mean some of

1590
01:32:34.079 --> 01:32:40.199
the things. Right. So well, Jerry, I man, you're blowing

1591
01:32:40.279 --> 01:32:44.359
my mind here. I've I've thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. But

1592
01:32:44.439 --> 01:32:46.079
I want to give you the last word. In this

1593
01:32:46.359 --> 01:32:49.760
interview is called or this podcast is called broadcasting Seeds.

1594
01:32:50.319 --> 01:32:52.159
So what I like to do is plant seeds in

1595
01:32:52.199 --> 01:32:53.520
people's minds, and.

1596
01:32:53.680 --> 01:32:56.119
This is a good seed planner. Yeah. I was glad

1597
01:32:56.159 --> 01:32:58.760
to see that title. When you when you're contacted me.

1598
01:32:59.000 --> 01:33:02.680
Yeah, so do you have a seed? I mean you've

1599
01:33:02.720 --> 01:33:06.680
already planneded a ton. But anything else that you want

1600
01:33:06.680 --> 01:33:08.239
to add, well yeah, just.

1601
01:33:08.680 --> 01:33:10.880
You know, nobody ever asked where your thoughts come from.

1602
01:33:11.359 --> 01:33:14.479
Nobody asked who's listening to those thoughts?

1603
01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:16.199
Yeah?

1604
01:33:16.720 --> 01:33:19.600
So if you're listening to your thoughts, they're not you.

1605
01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:25.840
A schizophrenic is listening to the voices. Those voices aren't him. Yeah,

1606
01:33:26.399 --> 01:33:30.640
they're separate. So then it comes like the figure out,

1607
01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:33.000
Then who are you really if you're not your thoughts?

1608
01:33:33.680 --> 01:33:36.840
And where the thoughts come from? Manuel Swedenborg, Christian mystic

1609
01:33:36.880 --> 01:33:39.760
looked in the seventeenth century, said that none of your

1610
01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:43.079
thoughts are yours. They come from the deathric field outside,

1611
01:33:43.560 --> 01:33:46.720
and they match your They're like radio wage you know,

1612
01:33:46.880 --> 01:33:50.720
they match the frequency you're on, your vibration, your vibration,

1613
01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:54.399
And that's what Tesla said. Everything is frequency and vibration.

1614
01:33:54.800 --> 01:33:55.640
I would agree.

1615
01:33:55.840 --> 01:33:57.920
So if you're at a very low frequency, you're going

1616
01:33:57.960 --> 01:34:00.119
to attract very low frequency.

1617
01:33:59.720 --> 01:34:02.600
Voice m perfect.

1618
01:34:02.680 --> 01:34:06.760
Yeah, and that's where schizophrenics are. They're a very low frequency.

1619
01:34:07.520 --> 01:34:08.760
You know. That's important.

1620
01:34:09.960 --> 01:34:13.520
They let those things in, Yeah, they gave them consent.

1621
01:34:13.720 --> 01:34:16.079
So I've got two or three videos on the mass

1622
01:34:16.159 --> 01:34:20.079
energy method on my on my website at Jerrymarsompti dot com.

1623
01:34:20.119 --> 01:34:22.720
So anybody who wants to learn more about it can

1624
01:34:22.760 --> 01:34:23.239
go there.

1625
01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:26.560
Awesome, So that's the best place to go as your website.

1626
01:34:26.840 --> 01:34:28.880
Any last words, anything else.

1627
01:34:29.119 --> 01:34:32.039
Well, thank you for having me. Yeah, it's going to

1628
01:34:32.079 --> 01:34:34.359
be a downloadable link when you have one. It was

1629
01:34:34.399 --> 01:34:37.279
not just the YouTube link, the one I can download

1630
01:34:37.319 --> 01:34:38.159
to my side if.

1631
01:34:38.039 --> 01:34:43.960
You want, Yes, for sure. Absolutely again, appreciate you coming on,

1632
01:34:44.199 --> 01:34:48.159
and man, what a way to start the episode. We

1633
01:34:48.199 --> 01:34:54.239
went through some technical difficulties there, so yeah, yeah, definitely weird.

1634
01:34:54.399 --> 01:34:57.119
I got to say, that's that's common. Notice what happened

1635
01:34:57.159 --> 01:34:59.840
after the prayer? Yeah, I think came right back.

1636
01:35:00.159 --> 01:35:00.680
Right back.

1637
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So all right, he who controls the line controls the war,

1638
01:35:08.720 --> 01:35:14.479
but first he must silence the noise. Yo.

1639
01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:18.560
Straight from the catacombs where the scrolls was hidden, Whining

1640
01:35:18.680 --> 01:35:23.000
monks chat versus in the Watchman's Risen broadcast to see son,

1641
01:35:23.119 --> 01:35:24.279
it ain't just a show.

1642
01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:26.560
It's a frequency shift.

1643
01:35:26.319 --> 01:35:30.399
From the realm below the encrypto speech from.

1644
01:35:30.159 --> 01:35:31.279
The outer courts with.

1645
01:35:31.399 --> 01:35:35.359
The bloodline of kings and celestial reports Goden for lum

1646
01:35:35.560 --> 01:35:39.399
teching a backpack word while these reptile suits try to

1647
01:35:39.479 --> 01:35:42.399
sense of the word, Yo, why step through portals with

1648
01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:44.560
the micas my torch dropping.

1649
01:35:44.279 --> 01:35:45.159
Sermons so raw?

1650
01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:48.159
They send drunks to the porch. They surveled what I

1651
01:35:48.199 --> 01:35:52.119
spit can't silence the flame, God, angels and camera withing

1652
01:35:52.199 --> 01:35:55.760
crypti names were talking black ops and black robes, falling

1653
01:35:55.800 --> 01:35:58.720
stars with zip codes, temple scrolls and tom CODs. Peace

1654
01:35:58.760 --> 01:36:01.600
with ten horns and stealth from from Mount Herman and

1655
01:36:01.680 --> 01:36:04.720
the Grand Canyon Faults with a Smith sonic and beveries.

1656
01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:08.640
Humanity's false, but we dig with the pen slight, slides

1657
01:36:08.760 --> 01:36:11.479
with the flow, like Elijah on the mountain when the

1658
01:36:11.520 --> 01:36:15.239
fire hit the show. Yo, this is spiritual warfare and

1659
01:36:15.359 --> 01:36:20.600
steigo holy scripts flipping through the technicolor ferrigo. You no fiction,

1660
01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:25.399
just friction between realms, dropping balls like Prophecy with Angelly Helm.

1661
01:36:25.800 --> 01:36:28.319
So when you suone in, just know what it is.

1662
01:36:28.960 --> 01:36:32.079
It's ancient war drums, not a podcast for kids. It's

1663
01:36:32.119 --> 01:36:36.600
to watch our gospel wrapped in grit broadcast. The seas

1664
01:36:36.720 --> 01:36:41.359
were the last ones. Legit, straight truth, no floor, rid filter,

1665
01:36:41.960 --> 01:36:43.279
ghost and the wires with.

1666
01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:44.840
The soul of a field up.

1667
01:36:45.159 --> 01:36:48.520
Welcome to the front lines, the kingdom cries out. So

1668
01:36:48.640 --> 01:36:52.159
grab your armor, your mic and cast a doubt out.

1669
01:36:52.800 --> 01:36:55.279
I want to sweat your homes and the explicit sen

1670
01:36:55.319 --> 01:36:55.840
of that's pret