Feb. 17, 2026

Nick from Occult Rejects| Into the Eclipse

Nick from Occult Rejects| Into the Eclipse
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Nick from Occult Rejects| Into the Eclipse
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In this episode, Nick from The Occult Rejects discusses his journey into occultism, emphasizing the intricate relationship between personal growth and the practice of magic. He shares experiences with theurgy and deep meditations, highlighting the importance of inner work for profound life changes. The conversation also touches on hermeticism and neoplatonism, advocating for a personal and experiential approach to spirituality. In this insightful conversation, Nick from The Occult Rejects shares his journey into the world of the occult, discussing the evolution of his podcast and the significance of understanding magic in a modern context. He emphasizes the intricate relationship between personal transformation and the practice of magic, advocating for a more experiential approach to the occult. This discussion sheds light on the secrets of the occult and the intersection of science and magic, exploring how narrative and perception shape our understanding of reality.

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Honestly, what's really weird is a lot of times that

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this has happened to me. It's it's like, woh, I

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thought NASA just put that picture out. Well, it's like,

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ass hands us. It's not even weird to me. Act

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I was like, I don't believe it out of space.

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It's a physicist. But it's just I don't know how

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to explain. It's just darkness with like just all this

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this stuff and you're not there. Your body isn't there.

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I'm just like flung it and it's like I'm not

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thinking about a damn thing. I'm just witnessing it and

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feeling love and not even thinking, but just witnessing something.

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It's all I had to explain.

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Broadcast Broadcast the.

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Playing truth in the minds.

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Of the people.

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All right, Welcome to another broadcast of the Oh my gosh,

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I can't even do my own intro. Welcome to another

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episode of Broadcasting Seeds. I am your host, Bennett Tanton,

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and today, man, we've gotten Nick from the old cult

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rejects who has turned into a friend of mine, and dude,

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tell us who you are, what you do, and where

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we can find you.

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Thank you so much for having me on man. Yeah, definitely,

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for sure, definitely one of my few friends, actual real friends,

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are podcasting. I appreciate it. Yeah, the Occult Rejects. It's

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available on Bitch Rumble YouTube and old major podcasts. It

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is kind of like a conglomerate of like people or shows,

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Like a lot of people have their own stuff, so

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you will normally find like a panel for every episode

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and it probably has like a total of like eight time,

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maybe eight to ten people, not always on every time,

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sometimes almost all of them, but yeah, you get different

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perspectives and different ideas. It's very much more focused on

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the occult. I used to cover the occult and the

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conspiracy a lot, but just lately it's been easier for

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me to I just have more fun doing doing the

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occult stuff. So just keep it real. And when I

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get to have these people along, at least for me,

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I get to like reminisce or I can actually like

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just keep it real. I guess in the conspiracy community,

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there's really nobody I can talk about except for the

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people on my show about ocultism of actual ceremonial magic,

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you know, actually doing like you know, the circles and

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the rituals, right getting into you know, when you say

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that stuff, everybody looks at you like you got ten heads,

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and they're like, but when's Satan Dix come out? Yeah, right, exactly.

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I'm like, it's not all about that. But so at

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least these people I can talk about, you know, even

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about that. Yeah, at least not for me, It's exactly.

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I guess you're right.

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Yeah.

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So so when I have those people at least like,

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it's a little bit different. I can like jive about

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the cabala and talk shit about that hexagram ritual and

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pentogramm rituel. It just it's a lot more you know,

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comfortable and easier for me. Actually, but uh, long story short. Yeah,

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we do even cover sometimes a cult, I mean conspiracy

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stuff like I have you coming on for a DNA yeah,

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dark DNA. So, I mean, you know, we're into science.

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That's another thing that I've been trying to bring to

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the show a little bit, a little bit more of

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us maybe academic stuff in science. I do think science

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is I think that's important when it comes to the occult.

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I think that's the thing that a lot of people

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leave out. My opinion, A lot of stuff does point

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back to I think actual like occult science and stuff

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to do with the body and brain, the eyes. So

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we do try to cover that and it's a little

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different than most occult shows as well. One thing I

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will say, if you happen to be like new and

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you go check out the show lately, I don't know

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how it's worked out for me. I don't know what happened.

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But some of the people I've had on my show

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when it comes to the occult and what they're talking about,

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they are again it's not me, it's them. They are

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actually like some of the biggest names in the community

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for those topics. I've had people that are high up

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in the Golden Dome. This a guy who comes on

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my show. I didn't realize he came on a few times,

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the guys the most like highest publicly known guy in

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the Golden Door. I was like, I had no fucking clue.

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I mean, I knew he was in the Golden Door

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to fuck it. You know. It's like I've had people

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from Temple a set and not to break about that,

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but like high up, like there has been a lot

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of people that have come on the show recently that

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are well respected and actually like, you know, some are

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academics as well, so I getting that is like, if

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you know, I do try to bring like some of

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the best people for those topics as well. It doesn't

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get really woo woo and silly. It's actually very in depth.

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I think most people will be very surprised about that

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as well.

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Yeah, I agree. I mean the times I've been on

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it's been super interesting. I mean, and what.

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I do think you want for that much of cold

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stuff because because I'm not in that space. Oh, the

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thing is too I don't want to you know, sometimes

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I'm going to keep it honest. I've seen it happen

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to Prometheus Lens. I brought him on with certain guests

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and he's gotten shit on for it. Yeah. I don't

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want to do that to you either, you my boy.

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Yeah, I know exactly, and I understand. It's one of

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those things for me though, is like it is what

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it is like. And if you can't have the discernment

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to know that, yeah, I I I'm interested in all

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this stuff because it's education, right, And this is why

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I get I will I catch flak for having guys

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and gals on all the time, like witches and you

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and other folks and people are like, but I don't.

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This isn't why I'm not doing this. I do it

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for an audience, but I do it so people can learn. Yes,

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and if you want to call if people want to

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call you their enemy, then so be it. But you're

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not my enemy. You don't believe the same shit I believe.

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But oh well, you know, I mean that's really I

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think conversations you and I have had, I think we

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agree on being human ninety nine percent of the fucking time,

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you know, So, I mean, anyway, it's just one of

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those things. So I love your show, and I think

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you and that's their thing I think is cool is

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you're not scared to bring other people on either.

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Yeah. Yeah, I mean there was even with mine, I

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was having the Temple of Sick guys on. I mean,

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that's fucking a little bullsy. I thought, yeah, right, that

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I did it. But it was just like I mean,

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first off, the book company approached me and they offered

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them as guests, and I was like, fuck it, all right,

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but I mean, yeah, I kind of thought it was

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a little bit off. Yeah, but see, this is a

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thing though that I even want to mention those guests

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that I've had on one, I will say Toby Chappelle

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actually think he is very nice man, and I think

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he's extremely fucking intelligent. I could be wrong, but I

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do think that sometimes when I have these people on it,

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and I've had this guy called Abrahamson on high Level.

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He was supposedly stopped in the OTO at tenth degree.

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I questioned that I still think he might be in it,

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but that's neither here nor there. I got him one time.

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He was just running his mouth. He was friends with

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Genesis Porrige, and he all of a sudden it just

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came out and was like, yeah, me and him, with

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ritual work and surgery were trying to create non binary beings.

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I was just like, excuse me, excuse me. You know,

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I didn't even know what to say. Like, long story

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short is that sometimes even when I've gotten these guests

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on that are supposedly like I guess, a hot topic

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or something, you're like, oh wow, I can't believe you

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spoke to that person. It's like, come on, you took

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to fucking Charles Manson right now. If somebody gave you

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the opportunity, stop your shit. You know how many people

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would go talk to Atolf Hitler if they could have

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a discussion with it. Stop you you know what I'm saying.

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But long story short is that sometimes when I'm having

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these conversations with these people and I'm not digging into

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them and just interviewing them like a normal person, if

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you pay attention to some of the shit they say,

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you'll get a little bit more understanding about what the

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fuck these people are into and what's going on. I

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may not badge them, but I'll let them say their

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own shit, and if people are listening, you'll see what

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I'm doing with that as well. Yeah, you know, like

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even stuff with the Temple is said the way I

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let the you know, Stephen Flowers go and we're not

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really Toby, but like, I don't know, has like even

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given me like more of an insight that I actually

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do think that order is probably run by the fucking government. Yeah.

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It is so decompartmentalized and everybody is so specific on

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what the fuck they're doing. I was like, it sounds

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like somebody's probably watching these smart motherfuckers. I will give

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them credit to dudes that I've spoken to from they're

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extremely intelligent. They're using them to figure out shit I think,

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and they have zero fucking clue. They think they're part

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of some cool club and they're basically like being mind

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for info. Yeah, you know, but I would never think

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that or have any clue to that if I didn't

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let them run their mouths on my show and got

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very personal about the inner orders and this and that.

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When I wasn't attacking them, and when I didn't attack

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call that guy comes out and agrees to that amidst

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that shit. That's pretty fucking wild.

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It is.

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Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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I mean, it's just bring people on podcasts and just

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interview them, not they don't need to attack them. You

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don't need to, I know, the debate over the way,

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you know, because you're not gonna change their mind, dude.

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So if you're if you're trying to push your your agenda,

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that's for you to do. That's fine, that's your show

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at your prerogative. But at the end of the day,

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if you want to probe people's minds and I use

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that word, then that's what you have to do. You

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have to play the you got to play the right role, right.

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So I just don't get it, uh, But but so

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one though.

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Anyways, it's been fun, yeah, because even for me, like

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being in the occult community at the at one point

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and like just looking back at like I guess how

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like even intimidated I was or just was like I

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guess I always felt like I didn't completely fit in

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with that that those people, So I guess maybe I

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always just felt like maybe it was me. But it's

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just wild to like look back at who I was.

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I was like, yo, I would never ever ever think

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that these people would be having a conversation with me

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seven years later, eight years later, Like, it's just like

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that even was my mind. I was like, I remember

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like seeing this person's book or listening to this person's

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podcast when I was studying magic, and now you're coming

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on my show and talking to me. It's fucking mind blowing. Yeah,

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it's really experience.

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When I first drew you to the study of a

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cultism and magic.

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You know, I tried to think about that. I mean,

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I was always open to stuff like aliens and UFOs

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and no I'm sorry aliens, UFOs and the parandlem you know,

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growing up young, I guess my father had believed like

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in some of that stuff, and there was always tales

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about like Long Island having like Indian spirits or things. Uh,

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so you heard about that a lot. There was always

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law about like every year a male would drown in

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Lake Rock Kakama, and that did happen like consecutively for

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a long time. So you start hearing tales about that,

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so you kind of like open to that stuff. I

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think also the fact of like maybe religion to an

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extent believe it, or that I think like being so

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important or you know, as a kid already like believing

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that like well I got to do whatever God likes

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or I'm going to fucking hell. Yeah, you know, like

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I remember that pretty early on, and I think I

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just started getting interested, Well what the fuck's like? All right,

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who's the bad guy? I don't know, Like I just

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wanted to know the whole story, and I just felt like

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there was just something else there. I wanted to look

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at everything. I do remember, and I do often wonder

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if this was a huge impact on me, And it

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was something I brought up on the show not too

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long ago that I forgot about, but like I remembered

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eventually that like when I was in school, I can't

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remember the author's name. I eventually found it on the wine,

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but there was like some dude who did like three

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different books on like he did want on like a

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Norse mythology, and then like two other mythologies. But it

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was like done for kids. It was like cartoon. And

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for some reason my school had that shit, and I

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don't know what made me take it out. When I

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took that shit out, it was so funny. I'm not

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really into north shit anyway, but oh, that whole story

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and everything and just it seemed fucking really interesting to me,

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and that did catch my attention. And I do wonder

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if maybe that instance there also had something to do

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with it, you know, seeing that book in school. But uh,

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eventually down the road, I think probably just from wondering,

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like you know, because of religion, just I guess wondering,

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like I just felt like there was something else there,

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being open to the paranormal, the even stuff with aliens,

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you know, it was very open to that.

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I guess as I got older, that probably helped me

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end up into the conspiracy community. And I was still

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interested in the occult, but like once I started getting

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heavily into conspiracies and like looking up stuff online or

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even YouTube back in the day, I came across like

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a lot of a lot of videos, and it was

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a lot of people that would also talk about the

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occult in their stuff, you know, like Jordan Maxwell, David I,

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Michael say it, Who's I don't guy. It was fucking

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flips out too. I can't remember his name. There's a

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couple a couple of people that were well known and

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they also talked about the occult. And I was very

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interested in that. And uh again, you know, could that

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have been from you know, stuff from being young, but

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I do know that like at least being in interested

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in aliens. I was watching YouTube. I was watching it

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was like some movie that was kind of done like

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Blair Witch, and I was like, Okay, this is fake.

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It's not real, but I think it was supposed to

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be trying to make it look like it was like

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some alien things showing up. And then like the next

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thing that played on its own was Project Camalot, So

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that got my attention. Oh what the fuck is this

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type of stuff? That was the first time I ever

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came into like a podcast setting or whatever your gorilla

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style fucking whatever you call it. Yeah, you know, I

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saw that and I was like, Yo, this is really

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interesting and then you can't, you know, you go through

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this shit. You gotta fucking David Wolcot's all these fucking people,

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all these shills too, which is really questionable, but all

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these like different people that you know, tee around the

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occult a lot, and I got heavy into that. So

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but then when I started like following a lot of

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those people looking into this stuff, you know, I would

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go down these rabbit holes. Probably did it yourself, like

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you saw looking at certain people that supposedly started this

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order or this type of Yeah, you know. I did

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that for a while, and then one day I was

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just like, you know what, I was like, I still

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don't even know what the fuck magic is. I was like,

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only knows like these supposed bad guys and these countries

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that they came from, you know, I was like, what

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the fuck is still magic? So I was like me.

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I eventually got booked and I was going through some

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of these books, and then eventually I had noticed a

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discrepancy between two one reference back to that one was

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referencing back to Alistair Crowley's libre Esh, and I had

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Alista Croley's liber Resh by itself liber Resh. It was

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like two or three page pdf and uh, it wasn't

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the same, Like the ship was like kind of moving around,

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and I was like, okay, well that's like fucking stupid.

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I was like still, I was like, I guess I

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can't trust books either. I don't know, you know why

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I thought I could. But I was like, all right,

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I guess, like now I even gotta worry about this shit.

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So I was like maybe she as crazy as it sounds.

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I was like, maybe there's like one of these places

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around me. I could just go to one check it out.

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And I knew a couple of freemasons from being in

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like a cult Facebook groups, and I had asked one

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of them about you'll go in there for like occultism

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and ceremonial magic, and the dude was like, dude, you'll

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have to spend so much fucking time here before they

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even acknowledge that, you'd have to go like way high up,

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and they're like it just they're like, go go to

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a different place. They're like, wait, it's just gonna take

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too long. And they were like try Martinism, the Golden

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Doorn or the Oto, which was kind of like the

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other ones. I was gonna look at it, yeah, right,

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and it was none of those. I mean I would

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have preferred. I was really hoping and looking into the

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Golden door. I mean they might have been maybe that

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I just didn't find, But there was none on Long Island,

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or at least nothing that keeps close to me that

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I noticed. And when I looked up the oto Oh,

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I was like, oh fuck, there's one like twenty minutes

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away from my house. Twenty five minutes away. I was like,

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all right. I was like, it wasn't a huge Like, uh,

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I am very interested in this ship some of the

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shit Crowley was talking about, But like, I don't put

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him up on a pedestal, and I don't think he

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was like all that. I do question just from his

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being in intelligence, I pretty should any fucking story I

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ever repeated about the guy to tell you the truth. Yeah,

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you know what I'm saying, because I think only of

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these people in intelligence, they already have like a fake

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facade anyway that the public gives you. Yeah, So how

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do I know what the fuck's real about him? Right?

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You know? And so you know I But the whole

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thing is is, I do think when it came to

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the occult, he was onto something. He probably wasn't degenerate

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in some ways like people said he was. I don't know,

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but uh I wasn't putting him up on a pedestal.

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And you know, the order already kind of had like

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a shady name, so I was like, oh fuck, all right,

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but I still was like, all right, I'll try this out.

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And I got in touch with them, and because they

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had you know, most of these places all have websites,

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even like the OTO, like they have like a website

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for the United States and it shows you where the

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lodge is are, or place as large as oasis or camps,

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and uh so, like most of them all have social

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media too, or some sort of scheduling that you could

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probably find. And I saw that your d did a

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NASTI mess like every weekend, and I was like, well,

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I think I got so and so weekend I had free.

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I was like, maybe i'll contact them and I'll go.

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And I contacted them and they're like, yeah, well that's

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like almost a month away. Hit us up the day

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before and we'll give you directions here, but like there's

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no big deal about it now. I was like, all right,

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that's fine whatever. Uh time came, I hit them up

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and then they gave me the address, they told me

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how to get there. I remember driving there and I

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get to this place, you know, and this was this

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even weirded me out right away, but it made sense.

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This makes sense once you realize the situation. But like

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in the directions, it's like telling you to like the

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place is like across the street from like a park,

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and there's like there's like benes that are outside by

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the curb, by the walkway walkway at the curve facing

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facing to look into the park, and they're like, you know,

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sit down at the benches and hang out. There should

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be probably a crowd of people over there. Some people

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over there will let you win. And I was just like,

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oh that is fine, shady like what And I'm like thinking,

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I'm like, oh am, I just gonna be standing over

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there by myself and go picked up with some shit.

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You know. It's weird. It's just very weird. So I'm

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driving down the block actually and then there's like these people.

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It wasn't a bunch of it was enough of them.

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It wasn't huge, but it was enough of them. And

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they all like kind of looked like very like almost

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like goth like look or very dark, and I was like, oh, okay,

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there's there's the ODO people. I'm sure you know, I'm

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not gonna be the only one waiting. So I went

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and like parked my car and this isn't uh this

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is Sunnyside Queens.

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And uh yeah, oh my god.

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Yeah, so Sunnyside Queens talking my call and I'm headed

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over to the lodge and the Yeah, so I see

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those people and I'm like, all right, I'm not the

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only one. And like as soon as I got there,

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the dude came out and ope, like he when I

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realized the situation was this was an apartment building they

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had like the downstairs like area rented out that you

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need a key to get in regardless, right, it was

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like I guess you know one of those. So he

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had to come out and open up the gate so

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anybody could even get into the fucking place. So at

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least I was like, all right, this kind of makes sense,

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and like I guess, like, you know, I guess a

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school shooter can't just fucking walk up in here, you know, easily.

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They got to get through the fence. Like maybe it's

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not that bad. So I went in and uh, now

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I had watched the Gnostic Mass on YouTube and I

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was like, you know, this isn't like really too wild.

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I was like, it's it. To be honest, it seems

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like it's almost like kind of like a weird Catholic mass,

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but like they said anything with Jesus, it's just doing God.

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It's pretty much like they took that do it out

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of the scenario. And I was like, okay, it's like

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not nothing too wild. So when I went there, not

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thinking there'd really be a difference between YouTube's version and

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the real version. You know, started off, everything was like,

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you know, kind of going normal, and then all of

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a sudden, titties came out and then I was like,

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oh fuck. I was like this was not on YouTube.

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Yeah right, wow. I'm like, oh boy, I'm like, yo,

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just turned into some eyes white shut shit. You know.

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I remember that if anybody was able to go like

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watching Naski and the Gnostic Mass on on like YouTube

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or I think vimeo has the has the titties version

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that I didn't know about. Yeah, there's, uh, there's two

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rows of like people alongside the temple and then there's

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like the priests and the priest is doing the stuff

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in the middle, and I'm like kind of like all

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the way in the back on the left side, and

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it's like I'm just like looking at the back of everybody,

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and I'm like looking at the front, this chicks kind

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of tits out and I'm just like, yo, like this

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is me, Like hell no fun, dude, I really get you.

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Oh my god. Yeah. Then and then crazy thing is

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is I stayed for about yes, but yeah, that was

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I remember even telling myself what that was happening. I

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was like, Yo, if anything else is different, I was like,

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I think I'm just I'm just gonna walk out, you know,

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because I was just like, fuck, like it already is

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is different than what I thought, you know, but uh

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that was the only change, and uh, I mean it

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was weird. I mean, but it's like then I'm like

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also thinking in my head, I'm like, how different would

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this be with a bunch of wickens in the fucking woods, right?

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You know, they probably be more fucking titties out. Actually, yeah,

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you know what I'm saying. So I'm just like, I

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don't know, like I I you know, I don't know.

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I guess I probably just try to like justify it.

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And then, you know, there was the priestess who had

457
00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:48.200
the titties out. Eventually comes over to me, you know,

458
00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.359
dressed try yeah, and tries to explain to me, like

459
00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:54.599
there's other things there that they do as well, they said,

460
00:21:54.599 --> 00:21:58.079
besides anstic mask, she says, we do glasses. Sometimes we

461
00:21:58.160 --> 00:22:01.039
do stuff like candle magic. Can you actually like make

462
00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:02.960
the candle here and bring it home? Some they were

463
00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:04.920
doing a tincture class coming up soon that she was

464
00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:07.039
trying to tell me about. You'll come here, you can

465
00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:08.880
actually make a tincture. I think it was like ten

466
00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:10.960
bucks and you can bring it home. We actually make

467
00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:13.559
it together. Stuff like that, And then sometimes they do

468
00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:16.119
like history classes too, where like even like be totally

469
00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:18.640
honest on my show, a lot of these dudes would

470
00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:21.319
probably be people that they would cover or possibly would

471
00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:24.079
even in that lodge. Some of them are gnostic saints

472
00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:28.400
on my show, but like just people that impacted that

473
00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:31.759
they believe impacted the ocult community, which is sometimes weird

474
00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:33.720
when you look at some of the people that they choose.

475
00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:35.319
You're like, hm, I didn't know that guy was into

476
00:22:35.359 --> 00:22:38.000
that shit, you know. I mean like Johannes Kepler, I

477
00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:39.599
mean he was huge into that shit. I don't know

478
00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:41.920
if a lot of people realize the guy that determines

479
00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:44.440
how the fuck were going out and out of space

480
00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:46.839
was actually in a cultist. His mother was a witch.

481
00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:49.279
He got to go to court and defend her. I

482
00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:54.160
meant of people to realize, like a lot of a

483
00:22:54.200 --> 00:22:57.079
lot of anything that we've ever believed about the stars

484
00:22:57.440 --> 00:22:59.519
has all been handed to us by a cultist tycho

485
00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:06.519
brahe was one Johannes Kepler Lao, yeah, whose copernicant? You know?

486
00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:10.319
All that did well all? I mean, like Isaac didn't

487
00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:13.519
even yeah right, yeah, you know he had more probably

488
00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:16.119
just as much or if not, if not more spiritual

489
00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:18.960
or cult writing than he than he actually did with

490
00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:21.200
like science. Shit. I don't think most people know that too.

491
00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:23.119
It's crazy.

492
00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:28.119
Yeah yeah, yeah, why podcasting? What got you into the

493
00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:32.160
like how did the occult rejects start? Like what even

494
00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:34.960
brought that about? I mean, I know you've got a

495
00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:37.000
progression here where you were.

496
00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:43.880
Kind of like hell now with the OTO oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well,

497
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:46.880
I guess leaving the OTO and the Reasons Why a

498
00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:48.880
part of the Reasons Why is what kind of actually

499
00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:49.839
made me podcast.

500
00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:53.839
Uh, I just unless you want to get into it more,

501
00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:55.839
just to make it real quick. You know, at some

502
00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:57.799
point I wasn't kind of happy with the OTO. I

503
00:23:57.839 --> 00:23:59.599
knew at some point after I had taken one of

504
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:01.960
my initiations, they kind of tell you things that you're

505
00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:04.720
gonna have to do down the road, supposedly in order

506
00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:06.920
to keep moving up. Some of them I was that

507
00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:09.240
cool with because one of them was signing over your shit,

508
00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:11.400
and I was like, fuck out of you. Another one

509
00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:12.920
was like, I think you even kind of had to

510
00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:15.519
maybe be with somebody there as well, and I was

511
00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:17.599
just like, you know, this ain't gonna work. With at

512
00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:19.480
that time, I was married. I was like, this ain't

513
00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:21.920
gonna work. I have asked her to come there, she

514
00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:24.119
never wanted to come. But I can guarantee you if

515
00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:25.759
she would have came to a Gnostic mesh, she would

516
00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:27.200
have been dragging my fucking ass out of there as

517
00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:29.079
soon as titties came out. She would not have been

518
00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:30.680
having that. So I was like, Yo, there's no way

519
00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:32.480
I can even convince her to become a member here,

520
00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:37.279
So fuck this, this isn't gonna work. So like that

521
00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:39.759
already kind of like made me stop going. But then

522
00:24:39.799 --> 00:24:43.480
like when COVID came, they shut down. Then they wanted

523
00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:45.720
people to be vaccinated, and then then like, if you

524
00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:48.000
weren't vaccinated, you could take a test and bring that

525
00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:50.200
in and show that. I was like, oh Jesus fuck,

526
00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:52.680
I can't believe people are doing this. And then they

527
00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:54.640
had like a zoom meeting to talk about the George

528
00:24:54.680 --> 00:24:57.759
Floyd fucking situation. And that has nothing to do with

529
00:24:57.759 --> 00:24:59.759
the Book of the Law. The OTO is supposed to

530
00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:02.000
be just like alcoholics anonymous. The only thing they're fucking

531
00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:04.039
worried about is that book and what's going on with

532
00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:06.759
magic inside those wolves, not outside that fucking place. So

533
00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:09.319
I didn't understand that. And then there's just a lot

534
00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:11.839
of far left shit. And I'll only be honest, if

535
00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:13.400
it was fall right shit, I would have been just

536
00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:15.839
as turned off. But they started just noticing a lot

537
00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:17.680
of far left shit, and I was like, I'm out

538
00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:20.519
of here. This is getting fucking weird. Maybe it was

539
00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:22.680
just that large, but I don't think it was, because

540
00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:23.960
it seems to be a lot of people that I

541
00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:27.000
have been turned off the culture by the far left

542
00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:31.119
to begin with. And uh yeah, so I left that

543
00:25:31.400 --> 00:25:35.440
and I think because of seeing that weird shit going

544
00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:38.039
on with them, and then like, this is the whole thing.

545
00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:40.519
Like when I was studying the Occult or even in

546
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:44.640
the OTO a little bit prior, the only stuff I

547
00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:47.920
listened to or even podcasts or YouTube was strictly a cult.

548
00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:51.000
I really wasn't looking at conspiracy stuff as as much

549
00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.920
as I used to so, or politics, which I was

550
00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:56.920
never really into at all. Now, when I left the

551
00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:00.319
OTO and kind of like took my head out of

552
00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:02.519
the fucking standing like sort of looking around and world

553
00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:05.400
around me, and after I had certain experiences, I was like, oh, god, damn,

554
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:09.400
this ship is fucking everywhere. Yeah, A fuck it was,

555
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:14.240
you know, it's yeah, totally everywhere everywhere. Yeah. It was

556
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:16.720
getting real close to the twenty twenty elections. I remember

557
00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:19.119
just like seeing, like, you know, the Democrats and the Republicans.

558
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:21.279
I'm like looking at the logos and the ship they're saying.

559
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:24.359
I'm like, yo, what the fuck? I was like, this

560
00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:25.880
shit is so blatant. I was like, how the fuck

561
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:26.920
did I not notice this? Shiit?

562
00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:29.160
See, here's this is one of the things that we

563
00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:33.279
you and I touched on earlier. And I mean, if

564
00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:37.759
for nothing else, wouldn't you want to know. I mean,

565
00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:45.720
considering how much hate like you'll get from certain denominations

566
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:49.960
of religion, wouldn't you at least want to know what

567
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:52.440
your enemies are doing, like if you're concerned, you know

568
00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:52.960
what I mean.

569
00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:55.440
Like it was even part of the reason I got

570
00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:57.920
into the to that stuff. It says. I was just like, yo,

571
00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:00.559
I just want a GPS basically like to stay out

572
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:03.559
of the matrix and do it. Like literally that's what

573
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:07.440
it was me to do. You know. Eventually my ideas

574
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:09.799
of magic and reasons why I stayed there was different,

575
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:12.359
But I mean it was always normally positive. It was

576
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:14.839
always positive, but just my idea of what magic or

577
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:17.960
even God or whatever it was changed. But yeah, it

578
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.920
was like it was always just like I'm just trying

579
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:22.119
to like trying to like stay out of the mind

580
00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:26.279
fucker because I believed from the conspiracies prior that this

581
00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:29.519
is the ship being used on me. Well, if you

582
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:33.559
figure out how to navigate my own way, yeah, absolutely,

583
00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:39.559
just wild yeah yeah yeah yeah. So how did the

584
00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:43.799
podcast on? I started doing the first thing when I

585
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:45.880
came out. Unfortunately, I'll be honest, I was doing a

586
00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:48.519
lot of basically shitting on the oto. I covered the

587
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:52.519
initiations I did. I was even like very much like

588
00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:55.400
before I you know, I started to drink the kool

589
00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:56.880
aid a little bit and I caught myself. But I

590
00:27:56.920 --> 00:27:59.160
was also very much pointing at the left. I thought

591
00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:02.680
the left was just layeringly a cult, not realizing like

592
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:05.519
the whole Q ANDRS ship was just in my opinion,

593
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:08.200
just as fucking bad in different ways. And maybe not

594
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:10.759
the people. Oh, it's one of those things.

595
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.839
It's usually the leadership, right, It's it's it's the people

596
00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:16.960
in spots where they can manipulate so well.

597
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:19.000
No, I mean, I mean totally honest. You have to

598
00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:20.799
ship that we were I was seeing back then and

599
00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:22.519
you were seeing back then. I mean, how do we

600
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.640
know that ship wasn't bots anyway or just exactly. I mean,

601
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:28.599
let's just keep it real. I mean, I think a

602
00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:30.880
lot of these things are just like, believe it or not,

603
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:33.720
people stirring shit online because that's their job, or they

604
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.400
get off on it, you know, or it's just a script.

605
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:40.720
But yeah, I do, uh, I just you know, so

606
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.839
I and very conspiratorial still with an a cult lens

607
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.319
on it. I kind of did that ship and then

608
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:51.039
I got on lift the Veil Believe it or not

609
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.400
had me on. It's like one of the is he

610
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:57.359
the second podcast? Yeah, first podcast was Ghostnuts. These guys

611
00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:00.720
and those they were crazy and I I listened to him.

612
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:03.039
I thought they were funny and they crazy. They covered

613
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:05.640
like crazy shit like Pizzagate, all that weird stuff and

614
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:08.480
India cult and they just seem nuts enough to where

615
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:10.359
like when I caught like, I would actually talk to

616
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:12.640
them as a fan and eventually I was like, oh,

617
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:14.400
I used to actually be the Oto man, Like I

618
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:15.920
would talk to him on Instagram. I was like, yo,

619
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:17.960
do you have a think about having me on? And

620
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:21.079
they're like, you know what, maybe, and then if they

621
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:22.839
had me on a few times. I even had them

622
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:25.359
on my podcast when I started it, but I went

623
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:27.880
on Lift the Veil because of that. He checked him

624
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:30.240
out and I did actually send him proof to show

625
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:32.319
that you get paperwork. I showed him I was a

626
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:34.720
legit member. I was like, yeah, Ray, you know, this

627
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:36.680
was a little sketchy. I didn't know him either, and

628
00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:41.039
that guy's questionable stelf, but just keeper real. He is

629
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:46.359
an actor, Like so I love it, yeah, yes, but

630
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:48.000
it was just weird that I was like, all right,

631
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:49.680
fucking I'll send it. I'll send him my whatever, my

632
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:52.400
degree thing from a numble and he had me on

633
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:56.240
and Lucks ended up hearing me on that show and

634
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:57.880
contacted me, and he's like, yo, I was in the

635
00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:01.200
Golden Dawn and had like very some of our experiences.

636
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:03.799
He's like, uh, you know, maybe you might want to talk.

637
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:07.759
And we contacted and we talked on something. I think

638
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:09.279
it might have been through like some like Wick or

639
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:12.119
app or some shit. He was man apparently then, and

640
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:13.880
I think we spoke to that for a little bit,

641
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:16.519
and like his story was like pretty interesting. There was

642
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:18.160
a lot of things like mine that I think at

643
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.160
the time I didn't realize, like I think might have

644
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:23.680
been a little bit fabricated or a little bit stretched out,

645
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:25.559
because it's like, oh, I heard his story, so I

646
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:28.559
could just apply that that's saying he's a complete bullshit artist.

647
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:29.799
But I don't think in the long run, he was

648
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:30.920
in the Golden Door, and I think it was an

649
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:34.400
amork which was like golden Doorn mail order basically for him.

650
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:40.000
Long story whatever, but he was he knew his shit.

651
00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:44.480
At least he was not a dumb dude. And I

652
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:46.160
was interested in talking to him, and I was like, Yo,

653
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:47.480
would you want to come on the show and talk

654
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:49.839
about your experience with the Golden Doorn And he's like, yeah, sure,

655
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:53.359
and I just you know, we spoke a lot off

656
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:54.920
the air, and I noticed he was into like a

657
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:57.519
lot of conspiracy shit, and I told him, I said,

658
00:30:57.559 --> 00:30:59.440
I kind of wanted to do like a podcast like

659
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:02.759
what I originally have was the NY Patriot Show. I said,

660
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:04.480
I kind of want to do that with like get

661
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:06.400
guests on to talk about shit. I said, but I

662
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:09.759
kind of wanted to start like another show where I

663
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:13.079
was with a co host and actually covered topics ourselves

664
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:16.000
and did deep dives because I was very much into

665
00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:18.000
like researching a lot that I was like, I just

666
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:20.599
now got to like either copy and paste or screenshot shit.

667
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:23.440
You know what I'm normally doing on my own. I'll

668
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:25.279
also just do that and I can have an episode

669
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.519
on a thing that we thought was interesting. And he

670
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:29.279
thought he was totally down with that too. So like

671
00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:32.119
we started covering a few topics together. There was ones

672
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.119
that we did on the Masons, the Gestures and the

673
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.799
Shriners and Quatsacoto, those like took off for like really

674
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:39.799
well and some reason got us a lot of attention,

675
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:44.359
and actually, yeah they did, and you know, we started

676
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:47.920
just covering more occult topics and the show grew and

677
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:49.720
then eventually, like I found out this kid was like

678
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:51.880
pretty much bullshitting me about most of his life, and

679
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:55.359
I just was very uncomfortable. And when I have a

680
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:57.119
show that I want to talk about the occult on,

681
00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:01.440
it's like I really don't want a pathological lawyer, like

682
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:04.839
like a can I'm not. I'm not that asshole that

683
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.559
they think every occult this is. It's like I actually understand,

684
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.000
like people willing to listen to me. I have standards.

685
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:12.960
The minds, Yeah, yeah, there's minds, and on my hand,

686
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.559
I could actually if they're willing, I could fuck them.

687
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:17.519
And I don't want to do that, you know what

688
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:20.680
I'm saying. So I want somebody just to be honest.

689
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:25.119
Who's on the show. Yeah, so uh yeah, Like he

690
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:27.920
ended up leaving and then I was like I don't

691
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:29.160
know what to do, I said, but like I don't

692
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:31.079
want to end the show. So like I started trying

693
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:33.599
to find topics to do with other podcasters that I knew,

694
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.000
and then eventually there's a certain people that I came

695
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.759
across that stuck like Headless Giant, Jena Ninja and Jena Ninja,

696
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:46.279
Robbie Marx, h I love. Yeah, yeah, there's some great

697
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:50.119
dudes and and gals. Yes, And then uh I started

698
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.119
working with them a lot, and like Lisa, and then

699
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:55.119
I was just like I just kind of realized. I

700
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:56.519
was like, I should just keep it like this to

701
00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:59.319
where it's like a conglomerate of people and the best

702
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:01.480
ones that I worked with, the the you know people

703
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:03.720
I worked with the best and that you know, probably

704
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:06.319
the most with. I just started making it a thing

705
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:10.119
and I started to try to you know, and other people, uh,

706
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:12.480
you know, you live and learn, you know. Yeah, yeah,

707
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.000
there was you know whatever. But I think where it

708
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:18.680
is people are going to try out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

709
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:21.519
You're definitely right. You're definitely right. And uh, I think

710
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:23.720
where it's at now, I'm totally like, I don't have

711
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:26.759
any stress or any anxiety over and it's been like

712
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.480
that for months actually, but yeah, and it's going more

713
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:32.000
of a direction that I'm very happy with. Uh So,

714
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:35.359
like I guess, yeah, I can't complain, but it's gone

715
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.519
through its own changes and even even the show itself,

716
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:41.759
I mean due to the fact of that old co

717
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:44.400
host that I had. Unfortunately. I mean, I'll even say

718
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:46.400
it myself, the way the show came out of where

719
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:49.279
it is now is almost like a what a change?

720
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.000
People mean, be like, what the fuck happened? But it

721
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:54.920
was just, you know, were a show called the Occult Rejects.

722
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.559
We're supposed to talk about the occult, you know, whatever

723
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.039
it is. I let Looks kind of determined the topics

724
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:02.839
a little bit more because I had my own shit

725
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:04.079
going on and I was like, I don't want to

726
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:06.359
think too hard for both shows. So I guess I

727
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:08.559
fucked myself and let him control a little bit too much.

728
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:10.920
But a lot of it was always kind of like

729
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:14.119
pointing out like pedophiles or orders, and I'm like, dud it.

730
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:15.440
I was like, you know me, and you can get

731
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.880
on the show and talk about taro of siguls without

732
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:20.760
fucking notes and just freestyle talking about our experience and

733
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:23.320
how we used to use them. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

734
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:25.360
But it was just like, dude, like I don't know,

735
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:27.000
So like once he was gone, I kind of just

736
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.360
like slowly crept there. And there was a lot of

737
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:32.159
shit with science that I actually covered now that I

738
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:34.920
think is extremely important. But it's like I had, I

739
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:37.719
couldn't just jump straight there. I have to kind of

740
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:41.920
like treat people along there to even understand where I'm going. Yeah, so,

741
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:45.400
but like what's with the science part. You've got the

742
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:46.920
Cult Research Institute?

743
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:49.880
Yes, yeah, talk about that a little bit, just the

744
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:53.960
shameless product placement, and you don't.

745
00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:54.320
Do it enough.

746
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:59.000
So I'm telling you talk about the Cult Research Institute.

747
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:01.960
Yes, So you have the Cult Research Institute dot org

748
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:04.840
on there, there's like if you're into reading, there's a

749
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.480
lot of stuff on there. There's a lot of episodes

750
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:10.920
on people that have been done or like certain topics

751
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:13.039
that might be a little bit more academic that has

752
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:16.519
been put on there. In reform, I need to add

753
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:20.280
so much myself. There is people from the show who

754
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:23.119
have actually put stuff on there. We have this guy

755
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:26.079
Leon Southgate. He's not in a cult reject but you know,

756
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:28.559
a very good friend of ours, guys I think is

757
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:32.239
a genius. And besides, I know Wilhelm has a horrible

758
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.199
non name, but like besides or besides him, this guy

759
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:37.280
is the only motherfucker who's done anything the same Orgon

760
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:41.039
and shit, yeah, he has like scientific papers that he's

761
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:43.800
put on the website to share it with people. Roberts

762
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:48.480
willelm Rich I think I've always thought fucked that name up.

763
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:50.440
But like that guy has that guy who originally with

764
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:53.679
the Orgon thing supposedly has like a horrible background. I

765
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:57.760
don't know how truthful it is. But this guy Leon Southgate,

766
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:01.320
Yeah yeah, taking that ship gone even further with did

767
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:03.559
some of the story. Yo. He comes on the show.

768
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.760
You can hear his orgo box humming through the microphone. Wow,

769
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:12.000
you'll hear fucking in the background. Is fucking weird wo

770
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:14.480
yo Yo. He says it's gotten to the point that

771
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:16.239
he you know, it was weird. He didn't really want

772
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:19.000
to get into what he was asking it. But he

773
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:20.639
says like he has this to the points where he

774
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:22.480
can lay down next to the box and think of

775
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:26.159
a question and actually hear an answer. That's why. Yeah,

776
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:28.400
I think he asked this something like that was associated

777
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:30.320
with the religion, and he didn't really want to see

778
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.800
the lake. He didn't want to talk about it. I

779
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:33.599
think he got shook.

780
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:35.199
Wow.

781
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:38.280
I was hoping if I ever do get a water

782
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:40.000
agag because I love contact with him, because I think

783
00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:43.639
whatever but yeah, yeah, I wanted to dress him a

784
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:45.880
little bit more on that. But like, actually I was

785
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:49.199
willing to go because something shot. I'll fly over. I'll

786
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:50.960
fly over there, dude, let me lay down next to that.

787
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:58.280
I'll try anything. Yeah, right, he'll be alive. I could

788
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:04.599
try it once. Right, It's amazing, you know. But yeah,

789
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:07.920
like someone like him, his shit's on the website, Mario.

790
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.559
He isn't from I wouldn't consider him a cult reject,

791
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:12.440
but from sabolic studies. He's worked with us a lot,

792
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.360
and he's actually helped me and us, I think a lot,

793
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:18.440
even in our education of the occult. He's got a

794
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:22.239
bunch of stuff on there. Oh god, headless, I think

795
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:24.400
might have stuff on that. Gin does Ethan Indigo. He

796
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:27.639
puts stuff on there quite often. But yeah, there is

797
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:30.320
contributions every once in a while from people on there.

798
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:33.199
There is a section where there's like occultists from the

799
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:35.679
past or alchemists and stuff. And I add to that,

800
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:38.320
I probably have like ten people to still add that.

801
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:40.320
I've already done shows on I just got a copy

802
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:42.559
and paste of notes. But there is tons of those,

803
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:45.719
I mean tons of stuff, and I think those are

804
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:49.199
important to look at. Because the reason why I do

805
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:51.719
cover those people is that if you already look at

806
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:54.800
any of them and see what they are studying and

807
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:56.679
what they're into, you're gonna be like, I had no

808
00:37:56.760 --> 00:38:00.480
idea occultists were looking at this stuff as well. You know,

809
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:03.440
like why are they looking at the eyeballs in the brain? Yeah,

810
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:05.559
you know, like why it's so so many of them

811
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.840
were so much into sound and music. You're like, oh, wow,

812
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:12.440
what was that frequency? Especially stuff like that? Yeah, you're

813
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:14.559
music of the spheres. I mean even like I bring

814
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:18.000
her up a lot, Hildegard, Saint Hildegard, even though she

815
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:20.280
was a saint, I mean she was she's known as

816
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.239
like a great payers here. We were much in occultist.

817
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:25.360
She came up with octaves with doing you know, having

818
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:28.960
women singing one octave and women singing and another and

819
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:31.840
bringing it together. I was like, that's like fuck it.

820
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:33.480
If she didn't do that, maybe it would have still

821
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:35.760
have happened. But like we may never have had Iron

822
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:40.360
Maiden if you ever noticed it always played octas uh

823
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:42.159
yeah yeah, And it's like, yo, that goes back to

824
00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:44.519
Saint Hildegarden, you know what I'm saying, And like who

825
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:46.400
would have you know. She was just very much even

826
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:49.760
into sound and music, and I think, like stuff with

827
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:52.679
the church, it's just very interesting to see like how

828
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:56.800
much science is even in these people from the past.

829
00:38:56.920 --> 00:38:58.440
And it's just like you're still looking at like the

830
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.480
people that we have now that we look at that

831
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:03.199
are these names. It's like, why are they always painted

832
00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:05.719
as like these fucking stupid degenerates. I don't believe that.

833
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:08.920
I'm sorry, because like they even like if I was

834
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:10.679
to go look at the Gnostic mess and go look

835
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:12.559
at the Saints state they talk about and even the

836
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:14.800
ones Crowly, I think you hated to it. I mean,

837
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:20.599
these people are like polymans. There were scientists, there are chemists.

838
00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:23.880
You know. It's just like yo, like there's a lot.

839
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:25.800
It's like I say all the time, it's not just

840
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:29.440
Dixon demon, you know. So I try to put those

841
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:31.559
people on the site to even show that, like yo, like,

842
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:34.800
these people were into a lot more as science. I

843
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:37.239
hate to say it, I do think it's a huge

844
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:40.800
part of the occult and people don't realize it. You

845
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:44.079
got Robert floodger on the eyeballs, the brain, the nervous

846
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:48.559
fucking blood. Why and then the next thing he's talking about,

847
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:52.519
having you know, experience with fucking one. Yeah, you know,

848
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:56.440
it's just this very it's very interesting, and I think

849
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:59.960
like trying to just educate people, I think that they're

850
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:03.360
there is some some gems in there to find and

851
00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:06.719
it's not always bad stuff. And I do think, you know,

852
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.079
the whole idea of the magician itself when it comes

853
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:11.840
to the occult, if you know, even like if you

854
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:13.599
were to join the OTO, the whole idea of the

855
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:16.440
magician is to have an experience with the Holy Guardian

856
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:19.960
Angel like eventually have an experience with Gun. That's what

857
00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:22.280
your whole idea is supposed to be. I guess depends

858
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:24.079
on what kind of person you think you're going to

859
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:27.400
be to get there. But I mean that is honestly,

860
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:29.760
if you get into this stuff, that's the reason you're

861
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:31.639
supposed to be doing so I'd be like, oh, I

862
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:33.119
want to get you know, hook up with Satan and

863
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:35.599
make them fucking make my life the best. You're actually

864
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:39.559
supposed to be like very hard on yourself, very hard

865
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:40.159
on yourself.

866
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:45.559
Yeah, how do you define magic today? And and how

867
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:50.440
does that definition how has it shifted since you started?

868
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:56.480
Oh yeah, that's actually a great, great question. Uh. When

869
00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:58.199
I first started, like I said, I think I was

870
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:01.239
just more of like I just want to kind of

871
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:04.840
like maybe learn to stay out of the bullshit. It

872
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:06.320
was like a lot of like one of the first

873
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:08.880
things I started learning to do was like basically meditate

874
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:12.079
and the lesser Banishing ritual the Pentagram. And you know,

875
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:14.280
when you're doing lesser Banishing ritual the Pentagram, like you're

876
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:16.920
literally just calling down angels and you're pretty much removing

877
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:20.119
any elemental influence on yourself and that's it. You're not

878
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:23.039
pulling anything in asking for anything, You're just doing that.

879
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:25.639
You have like a clear slate for the day you're

880
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:28.400
supposedly you know whatever. So I was doing that in

881
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:30.920
a lot of meditation, So again, like it was just

882
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:32.920
very I think a little bit more simple for me,

883
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.239
and I was just like thinking it wasn't that big

884
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.960
of a deal. Once I started getting into that stuff more,

885
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:42.760
and for some reason, I don't know what it was,

886
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:46.360
planetary magic, it just got money. It got me interested,

887
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:50.360
and I was very interested in learning the Hexagram ritual,

888
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:54.119
and I started practicing that and adding that into my stuff,

889
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:56.719
and then that starts. Really I mean, prior I was

890
00:41:56.760 --> 00:42:00.039
already doing I think talisman's and candle magic, but I

891
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:03.239
felt like once I got into planetary magic, I was

892
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:05.760
able to go a lot more extra. Now I'm gonna

893
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:07.559
start bringing in I mean, again, all this stuff could

894
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.119
be used for basic stuff, but like even planetary things,

895
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:12.320
like I just thought as wools and sounds, I would

896
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:14.719
have crystals and herbs or even incense mixtures that I

897
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:18.679
would make that are associated with that planet. Use specific

898
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:22.800
colors that might be associated with that planet. Sometimes I

899
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:25.039
would change the light bulb inside the room to a

900
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:27.679
different color that matches, Like if I was working with Jupiter,

901
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:30.119
I'd put blue in there, you know, or Friday, if

902
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:32.119
it was Friday and I was working with I would

903
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:34.079
work with Venus because it's Friday. I have a green

904
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:38.239
green thing in there, a green ultar cloth, you know,

905
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:43.079
I did. I had the I had the the incense burner,

906
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:45.000
and I would put the incense on there. I would

907
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.280
concentrate my working space. I would even get like the

908
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:50.320
bowl of water and I would add who's that that

909
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:53.079
pink fucking salt to it. I forgot Himalayan soul, hemlo,

910
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:54.960
and so yeah, yeah, you know, And I even had

911
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:57.000
no shit, you nut. I even had the ship that

912
00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:58.920
they using Catholic Church where you dip that thing in

913
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:00.559
it it has a cotton inside idea and then you

914
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:02.320
kind of like so it drips out and you can go,

915
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:05.440
oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I spirelgaum or some weird shit

916
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:06.880
like that they called it. I even had one of

917
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:09.239
those things. But I believe it or not, it almost

918
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:11.639
looked very much my ulter most of the time. I

919
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:13.880
even had my wife at the time would even say,

920
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:15.519
it looks like a Catholic church set up.

921
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:22.199
Yeah right, so exactly these are things I've been saying anyway,

922
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:23.840
and yeah.

923
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:26.199
Yes, exactly, yeah, I know there, I mean, I'll keep

924
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:28.320
it real. There was people that I knew that if

925
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:29.719
you saw they get up and what they did, it

926
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:31.880
looked no different. And the stuff that they were in

927
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:35.679
it was very much. It was very interesting. But so

928
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:39.920
uh so I started getting into the planetary magic War,

929
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:41.960
which kind of started bringing me to Talismans. And then

930
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:43.679
that was when I started kind of getting into the

931
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:47.760
idea of like contacting certain deities or ideas of God

932
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:50.320
or certain energies and trying to like I guess, put

933
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:52.679
them into things to help create change.

934
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:53.000
On me.

935
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:57.199
You know, I started doing stuff like that, and then

936
00:43:58.119 --> 00:43:59.920
so I guess, like, you know, my idea of magic.

937
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:03.440
Looking back at it, then I wouldn't necessarily consider that

938
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:05.559
stuff type of black magic. But I do think when

939
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.360
you even the stupid shit like oh I'm gonna burn

940
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:11.400
this candle so like they had influences so and so

941
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:14.280
to like pick me for a job. Yea, as silly

942
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:17.159
as that is, that to me my opinion, looking because

943
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:19.000
where I'm going to go now with this, I look

944
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:23.039
at that, it's almost just like silly, stupid slight black men. Yeah.

945
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:25.199
I was like, because again, when you start looking at

946
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:27.159
what the magician it is supposed to job is to do,

947
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:31.840
it's really to align himself with God. So while the

948
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:33.800
fuck am I trying to align everybody else around me

949
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:36.239
to bend to my will to make my own life easy?

950
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:39.039
Right right? So I mean it's silly as that sounds.

951
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:40.760
Maybe some people think I'm going too far with that,

952
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:44.039
But eventually at one point I was just like, you

953
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:46.320
know what, I for some reason, I had this idea

954
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:48.559
that was about a lot more in a work, and

955
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:51.039
there was just I think maybe I was just like

956
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:54.280
getting una happy and realizing that it was a lot

957
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:56.880
of my own thinking that is the problem. And I

958
00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:58.639
do know that there was like you know, it's kind

959
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:03.000
of a psychological aspect to magic. From listening to certain people.

960
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:08.480
David Shoemaker was one. He was a psychiatrist or a psychologist,

961
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:10.800
and he had a book Living to Leman our podcast

962
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:13.159
on it, and like he did get into like kind

963
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:14.639
of like you got to fix your head a little bit,

964
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:16.639
you know, send it a lot out more better than that.

965
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:20.239
But you know, I did realize that there probably is

966
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:22.880
like some mental workings, and I wanted to start kind

967
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:25.760
of like getting into more of I think I'm a

968
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:29.800
problem here, so maybe I should change me. And that

969
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:32.920
turned into a lot more like theogic type stuff. Or

970
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:36.920
I was very much into the cabalistic tree of Life.

971
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:40.960
I still study Kabala now, but like I would sometimes

972
00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:45.360
use the hexagram ritual, it's planetary magic or the tree

973
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:48.079
of life. You can as you can apply the harmatic

974
00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:50.679
tree of life. It's not the original Kabala, but the

975
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.440
Harmaticabala you sort of you can start attributing all these

976
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:56.079
things to it, and you could put planets on most

977
00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:59.920
of those spheres. So when I was using the hexagram rich.

978
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:03.159
I would have sometimes attribute it to whatever sphere that

979
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:06.760
planet also fell on, and that I would sometimes deal with,

980
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:10.320
like whatever archangel was associated with that sphere or the

981
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:13.880
idea of God in that sphere, and I would make

982
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:16.519
it a lot more theurgic. I would ask for help

983
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:20.199
changing myself, or I would just pray to it or

984
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:22.840
just you know, acknowledge it ex existence and thank it

985
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:25.039
for like going to help me. But it was a

986
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:29.119
lot of more theurgic, and that started to really bring

987
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:34.159
a real change. I realized my meditations got a lot better,

988
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:37.039
they got a lot more deeper. One thing that I

989
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:40.280
used to do a lot besides meditations was chakra work.

990
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:42.760
I actually did that a lot throughout my whole career,

991
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:46.159
and a lot of it was just alignments, nothing too crazy.

992
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:47.840
I did the middle Pillar a lot, which is a

993
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:51.119
meditative like ritual that you can do that the Golden Doorn,

994
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:53.159
I think is where Regard he wrote it that I

995
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:55.440
would do sometimes in the middle of rituals is just

996
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:57.239
the way of like kind of getting into the mood,

997
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:00.480
clearing my mind. And there is a lot of visualations

998
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:02.599
that you're supposed to try to create way doing that,

999
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:06.159
and that just I don't know what it was. It

1000
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:08.840
was just like I was getting like free movies. When

1001
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:10.599
I'd close my eyes. It's like I'd just be able

1002
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:13.119
to create these fucking scenes like a lot easier with

1003
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:16.480
just my imagination, with the visuals that I was being

1004
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:21.800
told to try to think of. And I just started

1005
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:28.159
having very deep meditations to where I would really be

1006
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:30.679
able to almost like feel my chakras as I would

1007
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:35.320
go down, up and down. And for some reason, one

1008
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:37.639
day I was just like kind of stuck with like

1009
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:39.679
I guess I go, I got to open up your

1010
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:41.159
throat eyes. So I was like, oh, well, I just

1011
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:43.159
push on my pineal gland and see if I feel anything.

1012
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.519
That sounds fucking silly, but I would do that, and

1013
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:50.039
then sometimes I'd realize, like for me, again, I can

1014
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:51.760
feel these things where I mean, I would have to

1015
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:53.360
get into it a little bit more now, but like

1016
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:55.280
back in the day, it's like it literally felt like

1017
00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:58.119
little fucking spinning balls where these things are supposed to

1018
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:00.679
be on me. Yeah, and a lot of people will

1019
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:02.840
say like it's nothing special, but like it takes time

1020
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:06.519
to get there, but you can do. So I would

1021
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:09.280
focus on my panial gland and I noticed, like if

1022
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:11.199
I was like in a deep meditation and I did that,

1023
00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:14.239
for some reason, it almost seemed like it actually would

1024
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:18.239
change the darkness even darker. And it sounds silly, but

1025
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:19.800
it was like almost like when i'd push on it,

1026
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:22.079
it looked like it would just get like blacker to

1027
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:25.559
have to explain, but so I was like, huh, maybe

1028
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:27.480
something's up with that, and I kind of just like

1029
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:30.639
let it go. And then like another time, I think

1030
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:33.440
I was doing a ritual to net SoC which was

1031
00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:36.480
like I guess beauty and love kind of the idea

1032
00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:40.679
of God that that's fear, and I think I was

1033
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:45.599
meditating in the middle of it, and I started pushing

1034
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:49.519
on my panial gland and doing that again, and I

1035
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:53.039
noticed that it got like very black, and it started

1036
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:55.559
like I this time I was holding it. You know

1037
00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:56.960
a lot of times I don't know, I'm just let

1038
00:48:57.079 --> 00:48:59.639
it go, and I was holding it. It just like

1039
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:02.320
looked like it was like almost like like oil coming

1040
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:04.159
out of the ground, like out of a black ground.

1041
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:07.559
That makes it even look blacker than another way that

1042
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:10.159
I would kind of explain that as if, like I

1043
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:12.159
guess if I was looking down at a black table

1044
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:13.880
that I thought was really black, and then like I

1045
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:15.719
blew on it and it blew dust away and then

1046
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:19.199
you saw the real black underneath it. Something weird like that,

1047
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:22.159
But yeah, I noticed that would happen, and that could

1048
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:25.880
even be like these really bright thin almost like rainbow

1049
00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:28.760
kind of like oil slick lines around it as it

1050
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.159
spread out. So I was even the fake could be

1051
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:33.599
thinking like like street oil. It was just very weird, yeah,

1052
00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:38.679
very weird looking. And I held on to that, and

1053
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:40.679
then like I would just start to notice like a

1054
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:47.079
white dot show up, and that was like it was

1055
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:50.239
almost like this burning like pin dot in the back

1056
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:52.440
and it almost seemed to like move around a little bit,

1057
00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:55.960
and it would just like kind of come and go

1058
00:49:56.119 --> 00:50:00.039
and my focus and like I some somehow, I I

1059
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:02.159
just realized that, like this is what seems to work.

1060
00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:04.519
Is that like when I saw it, like as if

1061
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:08.239
my eyes were crossied looking up towards my pinogland and

1062
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.519
almost like kind of all pushed this going to sound

1063
00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:14.760
crazy towards where that pin dot is. It's almost that

1064
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:17.280
I like locked onto it, like it's like fucking top

1065
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:19.679
gun and I'm like locked onto its heat signess, Yeah,

1066
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:21.920
you know. And then It's like it just holds it

1067
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:24.920
there and it's not moving anymore, and like if I

1068
00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:27.599
put more pressure, it's almost like it started to come closer.

1069
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:29.400
And I was like, what the fuck. I was like, Oh,

1070
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:31.320
this is you know again I'm thinking. I was like, oh,

1071
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:33.760
this is a great fucking visual. Man. It was fucking cool.

1072
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:36.039
Like I'm going to a free, fucking weird movie out

1073
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:38.480
of this. So I'm not having any thoughts of fear

1074
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:41.000
or anything. I just think it's fucking fake, you know

1075
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:43.840
what I'm saying. Yeah, I just keep going along with it,

1076
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:46.360
and uh, it starts to come closer and then it

1077
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:49.440
turns into this fucking gigantic clips. But a long time,

1078
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:51.400
I mean, I could go through this whole thing, but eventually,

1079
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:53.800
long story short, as I end up with this fucking flash,

1080
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:56.159
I go somewhere else and then I come back and

1081
00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:58.360
I'm just like my whole fucking like life is just

1082
00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:01.960
like completely changed, you know, just like I mean, I

1083
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:03.320
can you know, I could go into this stuff, but

1084
00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:06.000
it's just it just rocked me. And I had an

1085
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:11.000
experience that I did not think was what this stuff

1086
00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:13.639
was about at all, to the point where I was

1087
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:17.800
like almost pissed off because I was like, especially after

1088
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:20.320
doing it like another to two times after that, Yeah,

1089
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:22.679
I started to realize. I think there's certain things that's

1090
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.639
even going on physique. I think long story short, I

1091
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:28.039
think you are actually tapping out there is a death

1092
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:30.840
for a rebirth. I was like, you should. I mean,

1093
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:33.119
look at what Shavin's do. They pushed themselves to the

1094
00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:37.800
edge to have these experiences, like at least them, I

1095
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:41.519
think you know what you're getting into. Yeah, here, it's

1096
00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:43.280
just like, oh, have at it and see what happens.

1097
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.280
Like them up you a little bit more fucking different.

1098
00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:50.400
You gotta give some sort of fucking warning. Gam I'm sorry. Yeah,

1099
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:54.079
I don't know, man, Like I mean, there was I

1100
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:56.039
guess you know. At least again I'll bring up I

1101
00:51:56.119 --> 00:51:57.559
have made it a Piece of mind album. There's a

1102
00:51:57.599 --> 00:51:59.960
song where at the beginning, fucking Nico Mric brain is

1103
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:02.760
talking backwards and if you put it on even specifically,

1104
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:05.320
so it says, don't play with shit you don't understand, right,

1105
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:11.559
So so tell us, like what, let's dig into that

1106
00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:16.920
a little. The experience? All right? So I have the

1107
00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:20.079
the Eclipse, which is why it's on my stuff all

1108
00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:23.599
over the place. Yeah, the black the black Sun. Yeah,

1109
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:25.400
I guess you called what it is. I mean, that's

1110
00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:28.800
yeah essentially right. He already Ben called the Nazi before,

1111
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:33.920
so right, but yeah, so you have looks like an

1112
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:36.280
eclipse to me, Oh my saw us to grow and

1113
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:39.119
it gets really big and then if I just got

1114
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:42.480
to keep going, at some point it's like these uh again,

1115
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:46.800
you get these right lines where it's almost like the

1116
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:48.559
best way to try to explain it that you might get.

1117
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:50.159
It is like almost like if you were looking at

1118
00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:53.119
like a thermal camera. It was the way thermal looks,

1119
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:56.360
and it was just very like bright, and it's like

1120
00:52:56.440 --> 00:52:58.880
they'd start spiraling out. It was a couple of colors

1121
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:01.119
that would just start spiraling out around it, and it

1122
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:04.440
almost looked like like a reverberating like like spinning record

1123
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:08.159
or something where it's just like these lines like it

1124
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:11.079
was just uh, it goes completely deaf at this point.

1125
00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:13.519
I don't think there was any more sound at this point,

1126
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:16.800
like anything around me was just non existent and I'm

1127
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:19.840
just watching this come out and then all of a sudden,

1128
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:22.559
it like starts turning into like flashing and spinning like uh,

1129
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:26.639
sacred geometry. Shit, It's just like not making that noise,

1130
00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:29.400
but like it's just flying past me all these like

1131
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:33.559
spinning shapes, and I was like, oh wow, this this

1132
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:38.679
is great ilined it. God dude, I'm just like this

1133
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:42.239
is fucking crazy shit. I was like, this is like whatever,

1134
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:47.199
and then that starts to go away. And then this

1135
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:49.480
is when I did start to notice some physical feelings.

1136
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:54.920
I was like, oh, let's going on. Heah. At that point,

1137
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:56.679
like it almost starts to feel like that from the

1138
00:53:56.800 --> 00:54:01.440
bottom of my feet that it's like like almost disappearing,

1139
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:03.440
like it almost feels like that, like it starts to

1140
00:54:03.559 --> 00:54:10.159
go up my body and uh like it it's like

1141
00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:12.360
almost like Tron when you see the guy getting fucking

1142
00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:16.440
scanned and sucked, right, It's like that's happening, and it's like,

1143
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:18.840
you know, like all of a sudden, like below my knees,

1144
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:20.800
it just doesn't exist anymore. I didn't even feel it

1145
00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:23.079
in the bed because I was like, uh, I've done

1146
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:25.199
that before where I was like in the bed, but

1147
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:29.119
like even standing up, which is fucking insane. I'm standing up.

1148
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:31.199
I wasn't actually even meditating in a chair. I think

1149
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:33.440
I was doing I did this right after the middle pillar,

1150
00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:36.599
so I'm even all my legs and somehow it doesn't

1151
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:40.519
feel like it's there. Yeah, that's even fucking weirder. At

1152
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:42.119
one point, it's just it's like you're at the hips

1153
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:45.000
and you're just fucking inside this pentagram you think you

1154
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:47.960
just created, floating from your waist up. At some point

1155
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:51.519
it feels like that as I'm witnessing this thing, and

1156
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:54.239
so like that's us to feel like it's disappearing. And

1157
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:59.280
then uh, those spiral things started. Oh I totally fucked

1158
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:02.239
this up before you get the spinning shit. And it

1159
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:07.679
looks like these explosions around the fucking eclipse all around it,

1160
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:10.400
and it's kind of like yellow and orange, and then

1161
00:55:11.239 --> 00:55:15.639
it starts to turn into like red. And for some reason,

1162
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:17.800
I don't know why it started to me, which is

1163
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:19.440
why I have one of the logos I have. It

1164
00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:23.719
looked like roses blooming now then eclipse, and I was like,

1165
00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:26.760
what the Yeah, so that happens, and then the spirals came,

1166
00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:30.119
and then the sacred geometry looking shit comes and then

1167
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:32.199
all that disappears, and it's just like this thing is

1168
00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:34.360
just like fucking The eclipse is just there and it's

1169
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:37.519
just like huge, and then all of a sudden these

1170
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:40.480
like windows start coming out of the side of it.

1171
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:43.239
And that's why I have that thing where it looks

1172
00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:46.079
like movie cells and all of them, like it would

1173
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:47.679
almost look like if I was in like a train

1174
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:51.119
place or subway and two cars were going real slow

1175
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:52.920
coming in at the same time, and I can look

1176
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:56.159
into the windows. It was almost like that coming down

1177
00:55:56.199 --> 00:55:58.920
across from me, and like each window looked like just

1178
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:01.800
like something different. A lot of times I didn't even

1179
00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:03.840
really pay attention to it, which I think actually it

1180
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:06.480
makes a huge difference. Yeah, might tell more of the story.

1181
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:09.599
Normally it would just like kind of look like different

1182
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:12.000
times and places. I really didn't pay it no mine,

1183
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:14.519
I'm still hooked on the fucking eclipse. I don't know why.

1184
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:17.599
I was just very stuck on that. I guess because

1185
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:20.039
I'm also pushing my pineal gland this whole time, too

1186
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:23.000
focused on the eclipse to make this even happen. I'm

1187
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:25.920
like holding it there to watch this whole thing. And

1188
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:29.920
they start coming and this is a bunch of them

1189
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:32.639
are going by, and then they disappear, and then it's

1190
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:35.480
just there and then like all of a sudden, the

1191
00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:38.760
black part in the middle starts to like rise up,

1192
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:41.320
set upside to side like a normal eclipse would be

1193
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:43.679
to where like at one point it's like that fucking

1194
00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:46.559
chessh air cat is fucking grinning at you with like

1195
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:51.880
fucking glowing mouth right a crescent above toat's head. Same shit,

1196
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:55.960
You see that fucking crescent upside down, then you know,

1197
00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:58.039
well used to that way. You see it that way,

1198
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:00.760
and it starts to pull apart, And as soon as

1199
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:02.920
the black pulls away from the white and it's just

1200
00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:06.320
this big white, glowing orb, all of a sudden, it

1201
00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:09.599
feels like something fucking snaps to where all the pressure

1202
00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:11.840
that I was pushing forward is like fuck you and

1203
00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:14.639
comes back. It's like almost like polarity changes right and

1204
00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:16.199
it's like looking down the barrel of a gun and

1205
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:19.639
and it comes at me. And at that point now

1206
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:21.199
and all of a sudden, it feels like I got

1207
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:24.199
fucking the river or I've even thought like, if you

1208
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:26.159
think about it, it could even be being on fire,

1209
00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:28.639
but just not feeling the pain. It literally feels like

1210
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:32.239
I'm laying on the beach, the waves came up and

1211
00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:34.440
fucking went through the bottom of my feet and just

1212
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.480
I have this feeling of this flow through me as

1213
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:39.800
crazy as it's gonna sound, and I do believe that

1214
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:42.760
you are a type of clicking out this experience, I

1215
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:45.159
have never felt so alive, Like it's pretty much like

1216
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:47.360
I'm dying, and that is the most alive I have

1217
00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:50.400
ever felt in my life. It is this. I literally

1218
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:54.280
feel inside of me tingling and moving, like it's flowing

1219
00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:57.519
through my body or like a flame flickering withinside me.

1220
00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:00.960
It all goes up, comes up into my head, builds out,

1221
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:03.400
builds up, and then shoots out right with the fucking

1222
00:58:03.519 --> 00:58:06.559
jews with that hat. Feels like I'm fucking blowing my low.

1223
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:10.559
It literally feels like I'm blowing my fucking load out

1224
00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:13.679
of my fucking head, and it feels like everything I'm

1225
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:17.119
literally melting out of meat. That sounds crazy. You literally

1226
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:22.000
feel like this weight, like you become weightlessness. And all

1227
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:24.719
of a sudden, I realized there's no feeling of fear.

1228
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:27.880
I'm not worried about my fucking car, my cell phone

1229
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:29.679
are getting laid Like, all of a sudden, I just

1230
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:32.760
find myself in some sort of scene that I don't

1231
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:35.039
even know where the fuck I am, but like I'm

1232
00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:38.480
just existing and feels like an immense you know, I've

1233
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:41.119
said it a few times. It's better than any drug

1234
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:43.960
I've ever done, any none I've ever busted, any time

1235
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:46.199
I thought I was in love with somebody. It is

1236
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:49.800
a feeling of love that I have never ever ever experienced. Here,

1237
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:53.440
like it magnified by a thousand to where I'm just

1238
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:58.559
existing in whatever I'm in. Honestly, what's really weird is

1239
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:00.199
a lot of times that this has happened to me.

1240
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:02.760
It's like, oh, I thought NASA just put that picture

1241
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:05.960
oute like it looks like shit the fucking NASA handsles. Yeah,

1242
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:07.760
like that even weirded me. Actu. I was like, I

1243
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:10.480
don't believe it out of space, like, you know, like

1244
00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:12.559
the fuck is this? But it just I don't know

1245
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:14.719
how to explain. It's just darkness with like just all

1246
00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:19.000
this this stuff, and you're not there, your body isn't there.

1247
00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:21.440
I'm just like fucking among it. And it's like I'm

1248
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:23.840
not thinking about a damn thing. I'm just witnessing it

1249
00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:27.039
and feeling love and just like it, like literally not

1250
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:31.400
even thinking, but just witnessing something. It's so hard to explain.

1251
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:34.559
And as soon as it goes on for a little bit,

1252
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:37.039
and I saw him thinking oh, where am I come

1253
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:41.320
right out of it? Fucking It's almost like you're it's

1254
00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:42.840
almost like you're telling.

1255
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:48.280
Talking about a near death experience and the same feelings

1256
00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:52.840
kind of that it seems like it rhymes a little bit, right.

1257
00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:55.519
Yeah. That's why I've had some NDE authors, well whatever

1258
00:59:55.599 --> 00:59:58.199
people are, for that, because I do find there's some similarities.

1259
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:01.119
And I'm like, yeah, right with this shit man, something

1260
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:04.760
going on there, right, But yeah, and then and then

1261
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:07.400
the weirdest thing is is that after that experience happened,

1262
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:09.239
Like I was telling Headless a few days ago or

1263
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:11.760
maybe last week, he was on the show, and I

1264
01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:14.079
think he was asking me about, like, yo, if I

1265
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:16.639
was planning on doing that again or something like that,

1266
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:18.280
and I was like, I think I want to put

1267
01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:20.400
a few more years of studying in my head before

1268
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:22.840
I knew, because I told her, I said, whenever I

1269
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:26.400
did these things, it's like shit that I didn't understand

1270
01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:29.480
symbolism or stuff in the occult. It's like I'd wake

1271
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:31.440
up my eyes, I'd wake up, I'd open my eyes

1272
01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:32.880
and like all of a sudden, I have all these

1273
01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:36.199
images of thoughts showing me shit and like putting things

1274
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:38.519
together and I'm like, holy fuck, now this all makes sense.

1275
01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:41.159
It's really weird, and so I hate to say it.

1276
01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:43.199
It's almost like Natrons And he was like, oh, I

1277
01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:45.559
don't kou. I'm not gonna wake up, right, Yeah, yeah,

1278
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:48.079
yeah right, But it's just very much like that. I'm like, Yo,

1279
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:51.079
this is fucking creepy. That's why I joked. I was like,

1280
01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:52.320
I want to put more shit in my head to

1281
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:55.000
fucking reconstruct before I do it. So I'm a fucking

1282
01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:59.960
genius this time, right, not just a podcast.

1283
01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:12.480
So many people like equate h occultism with like darkness

1284
01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:16.280
and and or like the taboo. But how do you

1285
01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:19.360
respond to concerns like about you? And I have talked

1286
01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:23.559
about this before, but ethical or moral implications?

1287
01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:25.280
Uh?

1288
01:01:25.599 --> 01:01:27.199
Well, one thing I think even when it comes to

1289
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:29.360
the well, I will say, when it comes to the ocult, unfortunately,

1290
01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:31.519
it can be a hot better mental just keep it

1291
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:34.039
fucking real. You might want to have a little bit

1292
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:40.719
you know, discernment, But in all actuality, I don't think

1293
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:42.719
it's any different than if you were to go to

1294
01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:49.000
the Catholic Church, the Christian Church, uh, Jehovah's witness, you know. Anyway,

1295
01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:53.000
there's there's a percentage of sick pieces of ship, motherfuckers

1296
01:01:53.039 --> 01:02:00.320
and everything. Yeah, I do think if I I don't

1297
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:02.559
know how to explain it, I mean certain orders, I

1298
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:04.840
think maybe if you look at it enough, you'll already know,

1299
01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:07.639
like that this is a little weird. But I mean

1300
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:09.639
I wouldn't even suggest joining an order. But I do

1301
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:14.920
think if you were to look into I guess the

1302
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:17.599
stuff that these places might kind of focus on and

1303
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:19.760
kind of learn it from the original, you know, people

1304
01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:23.400
from back in the day, I think you'll get a

1305
01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:27.000
different aspect from it. To have will explain what I'm

1306
01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:30.159
trying to say, I guess, but there is you can't

1307
01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:34.119
take anything on face value. I would even say that

1308
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:37.280
the problem is with that too. Is that a lot

1309
01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:41.639
of a lot of like you have, Like I don't

1310
01:02:41.639 --> 01:02:43.000
know if this is the best way of saying it,

1311
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:46.880
but like there's even people have considered like Crawley and Blovotsky,

1312
01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:50.159
like neo pagans, like you're looking at like the last

1313
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:54.159
fucking like kind of people with any fucking name. Yeah,

1314
01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:56.960
I mean, they like there's so much more before them,

1315
01:02:57.000 --> 01:02:58.880
and a lot of them. I'm gonna keep it real.

1316
01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:01.760
They it was some shit, but they grifted off of

1317
01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:05.400
the old motherfuckers. Yeah, they knew nobody knew about the

1318
01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:07.599
dudes anymore in the sixteen hundred, so they took some

1319
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:10.440
of their even fucking illustrations and just changed it a

1320
01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:13.239
little bit, took some of their ideas and reworded a

1321
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:15.639
little bit and presented it. I was like, oh wow,

1322
01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:19.000
oh yeah, right. I mean, like, honestly, no different than

1323
01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:22.840
on our fucking field. People will watching Jordan Maxwell video

1324
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:25.239
from fifteen years ago and somehow regurgitates that shit it

1325
01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:28.000
becomes famous. You're like, what the fuck? Yeah, I remember

1326
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:30.599
my first day in conspiracy world, you know what I'm

1327
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:38.039
saying like that, Yeah, absolutely, But there is I do

1328
01:03:38.199 --> 01:03:40.280
think like when he kind of take the orders out,

1329
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:42.440
this is something that you knew that Carthy had said

1330
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:44.800
one time, of course trying to promote her own shit,

1331
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:46.800
But I did look at it, and I do think

1332
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:48.360
it is a hell of a lot more personal, and

1333
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:50.559
it's it's books that you read online. You're not even

1334
01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:53.280
part of an order. But she did say a part

1335
01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:55.840
of the problem with these orders is that she's like,

1336
01:03:55.960 --> 01:04:00.239
let's say the light socket is magic or god fucking

1337
01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:03.159
lamp that's plugged into it, that lampshade, that's like what

1338
01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:05.639
you're getting. The Oto is gonna have a red one,

1339
01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:07.559
the Golden Doorn's gonna have a gold one. You know whatever.

1340
01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:10.440
They're all gonna have their a little different shades of magic,

1341
01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:13.360
but it's still their version, and that you know, your

1342
01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:17.159
own personal experience, like you're still going through somebody else's

1343
01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:21.960
suggestions of moush. I think when you get into it

1344
01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:23.920
a lot more personal and take the orders out and

1345
01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:26.719
you start looking into, like, you know, what is this

1346
01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:30.280
stuff supposed to be for and about, you will probably

1347
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:34.119
realize that the intended original idea was actually to have

1348
01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:36.920
an experience with God and become a better person. Where

1349
01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:39.599
it has gone from then, I do question that I

1350
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:42.599
do sometimes think that the people who have these experiences

1351
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:46.440
like I have, I've said I do think. I'm not

1352
01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:48.440
saying that this depends on who really go to heaven

1353
01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:50.639
or hell, but I do think that is when you're

1354
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:52.719
really gonna have a judgment on your soul because you're like,

1355
01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:56.119
am I gonna use this experience now to help mankind?

1356
01:04:56.199 --> 01:04:58.559
Or am I gonna be a selfish motherfucker and'd be

1357
01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:01.280
a liar to see full and just pillage people for

1358
01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:04.039
money and fame. Yeah, you know, so I really do

1359
01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:07.599
think that that even determines that was even one of

1360
01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:10.800
the reasons. Besides it being an extremely I'm gonna keep

1361
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:13.840
a real addictive feeling. I didn't want to fry myself

1362
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:16.280
out doing it too much, and I even started to think, like,

1363
01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:18.639
if I do this too much, I feel like that

1364
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:21.039
just raises the percentage of me being an asshole one

1365
01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:24.159
day afterwards, Like, yeah, like, how many times am I

1366
01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:26.280
going to keep up using the right fucking path after

1367
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:28.920
I do this? Yeah? Is it you for me? I

1368
01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:31.000
even found myself being like, you know, there's many ways

1369
01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:33.119
I can try, but I was like, you know what,

1370
01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:34.880
maybe just be an honest person and actually do the

1371
01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:35.880
right thing. Yeah.

1372
01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:39.880
I think it's the epitome well, obviously occultism. It's the

1373
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:45.199
epitome of an esoteric practice, right, it's and the antithesis

1374
01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:53.400
of it, uh exoteric, you know, meaning understandable to the

1375
01:05:53.480 --> 01:05:56.880
general public. I mean, it's it's not there for that,

1376
01:05:57.239 --> 01:06:02.719
it's there for you and especially like inner knowledge. Right,

1377
01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:07.760
it's not easy. But this is also all theory, you know,

1378
01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:10.599
because some people believe this and some people believe that,

1379
01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:15.000
and it's like you know, it's bottom line, it's like assholes.

1380
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:18.880
Everybody's got one. They all kind of smell and uh,

1381
01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:22.519
you know it's it's just like this, this is how

1382
01:06:22.519 --> 01:06:25.119
it works. Everyone's got their own thoughts and uses for

1383
01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:26.840
this stuff, right, So.

1384
01:06:27.320 --> 01:06:28.440
Yeah, you know, and.

1385
01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:32.719
Well let's something I mean, it seems like for you,

1386
01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:38.079
you think about this stuff fundamentally more of like like

1387
01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:42.559
self knowledge power both I mean or both.

1388
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:46.039
Maybe not power, but you know what I'm saying. You know,

1389
01:06:46.039 --> 01:06:47.800
it's a big impact on me, and it might even

1390
01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:50.400
help explain it too. Like it was a basic book,

1391
01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:52.840
but like the Kabalian or even the Guita, the beginning

1392
01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:56.159
of the Gida, I started to think, like, all right,

1393
01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:58.639
I'll take the Guido as the example. When that kids,

1394
01:06:58.719 --> 01:07:00.760
that kid's like sitting there and he's like those those

1395
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:02.920
two people are about to like go to war or whatever.

1396
01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:05.719
They're arguing. Like I was just like, yo, I'm like

1397
01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:08.559
all the people that he's mentioning, just the specific people

1398
01:07:08.599 --> 01:07:11.599
he's mentioning, those are all people that program that motherfucker

1399
01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:15.000
from childhood up right. And I was like, I know

1400
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:16.760
we're being told something, but I was like, I think

1401
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:18.480
there's a deeper thing here where this is actually this

1402
01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:20.960
kid's fucking conscious or literally his brain has left and

1403
01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:23.800
right side going to war. Yeah, and I started to

1404
01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:25.800
just look at that and even the way the Kabali

1405
01:07:25.960 --> 01:07:27.800
on was a lot about kind of like internal work

1406
01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:30.280
but very basically said, which I think is awesome thing

1407
01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:32.280
to add to the Kabala if you're into the Kabala.

1408
01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:34.760
I just started to realize that I think it has

1409
01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:37.039
a lot to do with my own programming and my

1410
01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:39.679
own boin, and that it was a lot this is

1411
01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:44.079
gonna be a lot of work. And I was like, wow,

1412
01:07:44.199 --> 01:07:46.480
Like I if I would have been even told that

1413
01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:49.079
at the beginning of the fuck out of that you

1414
01:07:49.159 --> 01:07:52.280
know goth enough, you know, but there was a very

1415
01:07:52.360 --> 01:07:54.000
different if you start to look at it. I mean

1416
01:07:55.119 --> 01:07:56.719
people ain't not like even want to hear it too,

1417
01:07:56.880 --> 01:07:58.920
but like you know, there was like Jeeven John Dane,

1418
01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:05.119
Edward Kelly, I mean ever very Christian. They were actually

1419
01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:08.880
creating that whole thing, even though in Nokian language, because

1420
01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:13.039
they wanted Christians to have an esoteric system. Again. Yeah,

1421
01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:15.920
I mean that's something I'm eventually going to cover on

1422
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:17.680
the show, and I'm not doing it out of malice.

1423
01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:20.720
I actually think it's very interesting and oh God, I wish,

1424
01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:22.960
I wish well people will look at it like this.

1425
01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:27.079
But if Christians realize where a lot of their ideas

1426
01:08:27.119 --> 01:08:29.319
when Christianity came from, they'd see that they have a

1427
01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:31.720
lot more in common with us than they think. Yeah,

1428
01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:36.640
we study there, there are people that influenced Christianity. There's

1429
01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:39.880
bleed over and all of it. It was a very

1430
01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:43.319
mystic thing in itself. I think. I think it was

1431
01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:46.159
very like it was a deeply it was some deep

1432
01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:48.039
shit if you're an actual Christian. There was studying and

1433
01:08:48.119 --> 01:08:50.199
there was practice is done. It's not what we think

1434
01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:53.039
people are today. That's different now for sure. Yeah. Yeah,

1435
01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:55.119
and I'm not knocking to it that way. I think

1436
01:08:55.399 --> 01:08:58.760
I think that makes it more even beautiful. My experiences

1437
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:01.159
with magic has made God even. I will even say

1438
01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:03.920
the Bible I can look at completely differently now and

1439
01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:08.119
actually find value in beauty in it. Every religious writing.

1440
01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:09.880
I think there's some sort of value in beauty in

1441
01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:11.279
it if you look, if you look at it the

1442
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:14.119
right way, you know it's just as you know, fucking

1443
01:09:14.840 --> 01:09:17.479
trap doors in there. Of course, your cult is is

1444
01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:22.840
shit too. Yeah, So where do you see the.

1445
01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:25.439
Co rejects heading in the next few years, like what

1446
01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:27.520
do you got going on? What do you got coming up?

1447
01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:31.199
I need next few years. That's kind of broad, you know,

1448
01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:32.640
like what do you got coming up?

1449
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:35.079
We've got a lot of a lot more of a

1450
01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:37.720
cult is coming on. I have one thing that I've

1451
01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:41.000
been doing myself, and it's been a lot more heavier

1452
01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:43.520
lately because I have more time to do it. I've

1453
01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:45.479
been doing a lot more solo stuff and a lot

1454
01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:47.439
of that I am trying to try to attribute to

1455
01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:49.800
like the science aspect and show how, like I do

1456
01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:53.439
think it's a cult science something. I even did something

1457
01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:56.079
small on. It wasn't in depth, but I think enough

1458
01:09:56.199 --> 01:09:58.560
to prove the point. Oh, I did a series on

1459
01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:02.000
how colors can even affect him in your mind easily? Yeah, sure,

1460
01:10:02.319 --> 01:10:04.680
some of them are even incorporated and shit on purpose

1461
01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:08.359
to do that herbs. I showed how the how herbs

1462
01:10:08.399 --> 01:10:10.720
like these herbs that we were burning on these things

1463
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:12.880
or were putting the oils on in some way, even

1464
01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:15.079
in jest to make teas with. If you look at

1465
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:17.520
what that shit does to U cranial nerve system, it's

1466
01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:19.840
pretty much almost mimicking what you think that herb is

1467
01:10:19.880 --> 01:10:23.079
supposed to be doing for you anyway magically, It's almost

1468
01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:26.399
like did they know that? Then? You know what I'm saying.

1469
01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:28.479
It's just very weird how many of them are used

1470
01:10:28.520 --> 01:10:31.800
to actually lower your vegus system, which is basically again

1471
01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:34.000
helping you click the fuck out if you want. Yeah,

1472
01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:35.920
there's a lot of them that are used that if

1473
01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:38.600
you sometimes just use an absurd amount, all of them

1474
01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:41.840
becomes almost lethal and will shut you down completely almost

1475
01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:44.880
and you start wondering, like the fuck's up with this shit?

1476
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:47.159
But I just think it's very interesting to start looking

1477
01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:50.199
at the science and just like it was a little rough,

1478
01:10:50.279 --> 01:10:51.880
but I propose that I do think a lot of

1479
01:10:52.159 --> 01:10:55.479
magic is psychodrama. It's all all due to what you're

1480
01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:58.239
trying to program yourself. What the colors are doing to

1481
01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:00.319
you that you're using around you, the insant, it's you're

1482
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:02.720
smelling in possibly the crystals too. I have ship all

1483
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:04.760
that I want to cover. There's just a lot of

1484
01:11:04.920 --> 01:11:09.720
actual scientific influence on yourself that with all those things incorporated,

1485
01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:12.079
you're gonna think that fucking Hakat did that for you.

1486
01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:17.840
It's like no science actually did it to yourself. Yeah, yeah,

1487
01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:21.760
Or it's just the way it is, right, That's what

1488
01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:22.079
I think.

1489
01:11:22.199 --> 01:11:24.319
I think instead of trying to label it a lot

1490
01:11:24.399 --> 01:11:26.399
of these things, and that's something that I think you

1491
01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:28.479
and I have talked about in the past two Instead

1492
01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:31.479
of trying to label what it is, it just is

1493
01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:35.399
like certain things. We all live in a vibrational world

1494
01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:38.960
and frequent you know, frequencies are everywhere getting bombarded with

1495
01:11:39.119 --> 01:11:40.840
everything and everything.

1496
01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:43.640
You're starting odd frequency is bad.

1497
01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:48.520
There's a huge difference between like, you know, like what

1498
01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:52.640
the stone literally just the frequency that it puts out

1499
01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:57.000
will do compared to like my you know, or I

1500
01:11:57.039 --> 01:11:59.920
feel like, you know, to like a coin or something.

1501
01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:03.720
You know, it's all, it just is what it is.

1502
01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:07.439
Yeah, So I think you kind of understand where I'm

1503
01:12:07.439 --> 01:12:10.600
going with science behind the ship. I don't think people

1504
01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:14.680
realize yep. And when you say science, I understand what

1505
01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:18.239
you're saying. But people some people just be like, you know, oh,

1506
01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:21.319
they don't even get Yeah, but it and again it's

1507
01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:25.159
not I feel like we lack the word the correct word,

1508
01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:28.199
you know, And so you know what they would use

1509
01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:32.439
in the past. I think natural magic, yeah, or natural

1510
01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:36.560
pathy or or something like that. Just nature, how about it?

1511
01:12:37.039 --> 01:12:37.479
I mean.

1512
01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:41.520
Just the difference between sitting in front of all these

1513
01:12:41.560 --> 01:12:43.359
computers and ship. I mean, look at us, the two

1514
01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:45.680
of us. We got mics in our faces. We've got

1515
01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:50.079
computers and screens and ship. And then how you feel, right,

1516
01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:54.239
because this is all frequency, it's all emitting some sort

1517
01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:59.520
of electromagnet, you know, magnetic energy. And then turn around

1518
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:02.199
and go out in the woods and see how you feel.

1519
01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:08.239
Then it's it's all. It's just the shit's around us, man, So.

1520
01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:09.800
You think about it. In order for any of this

1521
01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:12.600
shit to work, it all has multiple magnets going on too,

1522
01:13:13.079 --> 01:13:19.199
and it all exists together at the same time and place. Right,

1523
01:13:19.479 --> 01:13:21.359
even say, I think that the equipment we use a

1524
01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:26.159
lesson with magic just to do all right, exactly exactly exactly.

1525
01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:30.520
So yeah, it's not it's not as uh, it's not

1526
01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:33.159
as abstract as everyone kind of makes it out to

1527
01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:35.159
be at all in my opinion.

1528
01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:36.840
So you know, and you know what I think is

1529
01:13:37.159 --> 01:13:40.600
the hugest thing too right nowadays. And I call it

1530
01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:42.720
Nazi magic a lot, because I do think the Nazis

1531
01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:45.199
are really good at kind of like signing this magic.

1532
01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:47.119
And it's not anything I know. When I say that

1533
01:13:47.159 --> 01:13:50.039
people automatically think it's political, but the left those are too.

1534
01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:56.560
It's when you're handed images and images and sounds and

1535
01:13:56.880 --> 01:14:00.319
need to believe it's something else. Yeah, and I do

1536
01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:03.479
think we're getting tons of that type of magic handed

1537
01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:05.920
to us. We're giving a voice in a vision like

1538
01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:10.000
this the TV man a lot of times, and God

1539
01:14:10.079 --> 01:14:13.800
for God for forgive me. Sometimes I do think a

1540
01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:17.000
lot of shit is fake actually, and it's like, all right,

1541
01:14:17.159 --> 01:14:19.319
we actually didn't do anything bad. We're going to just

1542
01:14:19.359 --> 01:14:21.319
make you think we did and that's good enough because

1543
01:14:21.359 --> 01:14:24.239
you're gonna fucking spin the fuck out. I mean, these

1544
01:14:24.279 --> 01:14:26.680
people are still sick. Yeah, I mean there are certain

1545
01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:28.079
things where it's like, how do we know if that's

1546
01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:31.079
that situation was real? You know, there's so many different

1547
01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:33.000
theories about George Floyd and Charlie Kirk.

1548
01:14:33.039 --> 01:14:36.239
People say, well, it's like the whole I always when

1549
01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:39.560
when we when we head down this road, I always

1550
01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:44.479
point back to that movie Wag the Dog. If you've

1551
01:14:44.560 --> 01:14:46.840
never seen it, you need I have not, but I remember.

1552
01:14:47.319 --> 01:14:51.600
But yeah, it's the concept they fabricated an entire war

1553
01:14:52.439 --> 01:14:54.880
to get to get people go. Yeah, people, well, I

1554
01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:57.319
mean just look at what happened the other day with

1555
01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:02.800
Minnesota and this this that was shot and the ice

1556
01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:06.600
agent that was hit, and you know, people will I

1557
01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:10.960
think it's it's it's all manipulation, right, And you've got

1558
01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:15.119
half the people like, yeah, you know, blah blah blah,

1559
01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:18.840
this and that, and it's just polarizing. And I think

1560
01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:22.479
this is the powers that be that that want the

1561
01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:28.239
power of it all. They're fabricating and creating this narrative

1562
01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:30.680
and this this uh all the.

1563
01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:32.159
Craft situation with them.

1564
01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:36.279
Yeah, it's just and it's it's actually that could be

1565
01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:39.560
considered in my opinion, that could be considered magic.

1566
01:15:40.520 --> 01:15:44.079
They're literally you know, it's what I'm saying, especially when

1567
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:45.880
you say the cop had thirty three stitches from the

1568
01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:48.159
last accident of like, okay, I guess the Masons are

1569
01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:52.800
thirty three stitches for yeah, And see that's the thing is.

1570
01:15:52.880 --> 01:15:55.399
It's like and then you kind of look and if

1571
01:15:55.439 --> 01:15:58.359
you you're somebody like me, who I literally dig in

1572
01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:03.039
both sides of this troth, right, and that's what I

1573
01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:04.319
call it the troth.

1574
01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:06.960
You look in the left and the right side of

1575
01:16:07.039 --> 01:16:10.039
the trough and you start digging into it, you will

1576
01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:13.279
see some interesting shit. Oh yeah, because because there's skills

1577
01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:16.399
that come up looking at you too, right, And then

1578
01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:19.039
what ends up happening is is that you see the

1579
01:16:19.159 --> 01:16:22.399
narrative on this side and the narrative on this side, and.

1580
01:16:22.520 --> 01:16:26.840
Where they where they uh there is bleed over, but

1581
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:31.159
it's all the most inconsequential bullshit, right, And they just

1582
01:16:31.319 --> 01:16:35.600
create the two narratives, and they know who's going to

1583
01:16:35.720 --> 01:16:37.880
swallow this one, and they know who's going to swallow

1584
01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:40.960
that one. And it's all about taking the bite out

1585
01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:43.399
of the feet and fruit, you know, and and which

1586
01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:46.439
side's going to do it? Are which side's taking this

1587
01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:51.079
And they create both narratives so they can keep us

1588
01:16:51.119 --> 01:16:56.359
from actually coming together and doing crazy amazing things.

1589
01:16:57.199 --> 01:16:59.960
That's like, uh, I mentioned a lot that I don't

1590
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:02.560
was really shady. Is like when we had the Ukraine War,

1591
01:17:02.680 --> 01:17:06.960
like Gus is still going on. It is that when

1592
01:17:07.000 --> 01:17:09.479
I first started seeing that, I remember like seeing the

1593
01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:13.560
azof battalion popping up and I so yeah, yeah, right wow,

1594
01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:15.520
and like yeah they got like to swash the girl

1595
01:17:15.560 --> 01:17:21.119
that ship they I mean, they're straight white white sopriacs.

1596
01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:23.680
Crazy thing is this is another thing not to get

1597
01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:26.039
off of it. And hopefully you know, I'll remember where

1598
01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:27.840
I was going with this. But if you look at

1599
01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:31.680
like some of the political parties or like the people

1600
01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:33.399
that are fighting in the war, like some of them

1601
01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:36.039
are like, yo, that's straight up a militia to govern.

1602
01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:38.960
That's not the government. And you start to wonder, so,

1603
01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:42.159
way did all these both sides too, hundreds of thousands

1604
01:17:42.199 --> 01:17:45.680
of dudes get the same outfits, get all these fucking

1605
01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:48.640
weapons actually look like a militia. How you guys all

1606
01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:50.399
paid out of pocket for this ship? Your wife's are

1607
01:17:50.439 --> 01:17:56.119
cool with this? Come on, man, exactly? And that happens

1608
01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:59.520
on both That's happening on both sides too. It's I mean,

1609
01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:06.640
some are actually defending militias, so I mean defending yeah.

1610
01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:11.600
But but real quick with the aves off battalion. A

1611
01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:13.840
lot at the beginning when this shit happened, a lot

1612
01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:16.880
of the footage that the that the there's news and

1613
01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:20.600
all news outlets I know, to CNN, Fox, MSNBC, they're

1614
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:24.520
showing the video footage by the A's off battalion. Why

1615
01:18:24.560 --> 01:18:27.479
are you like, why is a Nazi battalion or battalion

1616
01:18:27.560 --> 01:18:32.520
throwing up fucking occult symbols showing us with video that

1617
01:18:32.600 --> 01:18:34.760
looks like, you know, AI could do fucking better at

1618
01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:37.439
this point of videos of what's going on over there?

1619
01:18:38.079 --> 01:18:39.960
Why are they showing us? How the fuck are we

1620
01:18:40.039 --> 01:18:47.560
trusting Nazis? I just found it very weird. Wild. Is

1621
01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:49.840
this that magic where it's just like, oh, you know,

1622
01:18:49.960 --> 01:18:52.239
this motherfucker over here is sent this this low resolution

1623
01:18:52.399 --> 01:18:53.279
fucking looking.

1624
01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:57.600
I mean, there's a reason it's called and I know

1625
01:18:57.720 --> 01:18:59.920
it's part of the name of my and this is

1626
01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:05.600
done by uh on purpose, but it's called broadcasting for

1627
01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:06.800
us for a reason.

1628
01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:12.399
Casting, right, Yeah, that is wild if you think about

1629
01:19:12.399 --> 01:19:13.680
that casting and so.

1630
01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:18.920
Yeah, I there's all these things, there's all these words

1631
01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:23.079
and if you look back, you know anyway episode dude,

1632
01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:30.119
So do you some shameless product? Placent tell us, tell

1633
01:19:30.199 --> 01:19:33.000
us where's the best place to find you? And anything

1634
01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:35.479
people should buy or go buy?

1635
01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:38.079
Or this is true. I do have some I never play.

1636
01:19:38.119 --> 01:19:39.800
I gotta start pushing it. It's crazy. You got like

1637
01:19:39.800 --> 01:19:41.359
all these T shirts. I don't even try to push it.

1638
01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:44.560
Uh yeah, we do have uh Nicole rejects. I mean,

1639
01:19:44.600 --> 01:19:46.479
we do have two different types of T shirts. You

1640
01:19:46.479 --> 01:19:48.239
can probably check out social media. I probably have a

1641
01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:51.920
saved somewhere, but oh yeah, we do have uh, you know,

1642
01:19:52.039 --> 01:19:54.159
two logo shirts, and both of them, believe it or Not,

1643
01:19:54.279 --> 01:19:57.199
are actually all ocult symbolism for the inside of your rival,

1644
01:19:57.760 --> 01:20:00.199
believe it or not, or your breath. It's crazy, you know,

1645
01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:02.640
weird as they may look, but that's the type of

1646
01:20:02.640 --> 01:20:05.279
shit that's on there. It's nothing anything bad. It's actually

1647
01:20:05.279 --> 01:20:08.039
a cult science. We have two of those that you

1648
01:20:08.119 --> 01:20:12.239
can find again all my stuff and uh yeah, besides that,

1649
01:20:12.399 --> 01:20:15.239
check out the Cult Research Institute, check us out on uh.

1650
01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:18.720
I think spot Apple and Spotify were obviously on those,

1651
01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:21.039
but I think I was looking at it because I've

1652
01:20:21.039 --> 01:20:23.159
been trying to make this uh make this thing because

1653
01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:26.239
it does irk me. I think it's Spotify. I have

1654
01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:29.600
like a full point too. And the only complaints is

1655
01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:32.079
from back in the day with me coughing on the

1656
01:20:32.119 --> 01:20:36.199
fucking microphone, the audio quality, nothing about the content. So

1657
01:20:36.319 --> 01:20:38.640
go over to Spotify and smash that five fucking stars

1658
01:20:38.640 --> 01:20:40.840
and help bring that back absolutely, because it's like it's

1659
01:20:40.920 --> 01:20:44.039
literally down because of like just stupid shit. Never one

1660
01:20:44.119 --> 01:20:47.119
complaint about the guest or the quality of the you know,

1661
01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:49.279
the quality of the topic. It's always like it's you know,

1662
01:20:49.399 --> 01:20:52.600
the shitty fucking what you coughing back in the day. Yeah,

1663
01:20:52.760 --> 01:20:54.439
well yeah, go over there and try to check that

1664
01:20:54.479 --> 01:20:56.640
out if you don't mind using Spotify and give us

1665
01:20:56.680 --> 01:20:57.239
five stores.

1666
01:20:57.560 --> 01:21:00.720
Yeah, like the freaking bad reviews I have all over

1667
01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:02.479
things that I can't control at all.

1668
01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:10.079
Yeah, yeah, exactly right the guests audience, like, I'm sorry,

1669
01:21:10.079 --> 01:21:11.319
would you rather just not have them?

1670
01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:11.439
All?

1671
01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:11.800
Yeah?

1672
01:21:11.920 --> 01:21:13.800
Just would you rather not talk? You know, there's a

1673
01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:16.520
little buzzing. Get over it a little bit. I'm just saying,

1674
01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:20.119
but like, yeah, I have one that there's too many ads,

1675
01:21:20.319 --> 01:21:24.479
and that's true. But but again, if I want to

1676
01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:27.479
do this and you want to listen, there's got to

1677
01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:29.960
be a return on investment here, folks.

1678
01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:33.199
I mean, I don't touch for anything. So it's like, yo, Jimmy,

1679
01:21:33.199 --> 01:21:35.399
fab just listen to the fucking commercials.

1680
01:21:35.399 --> 01:21:39.520
Right exactly. And I'm not even putting them in a place.

1681
01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:42.680
I'm not even placing them. They are, but people just

1682
01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:43.199
get passed.

1683
01:21:43.279 --> 01:21:43.560
Okay.

1684
01:21:43.920 --> 01:21:47.520
So then the idea is, I guess, go pay five

1685
01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:49.760
dollars and then you don't have to listen to them.

1686
01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:55.760
So yeah, I think sp that package too. They'll get there,

1687
01:21:55.800 --> 01:21:58.000
and I'm getting there. I'm working on that now, so

1688
01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:02.439
away man, it's so good to talk to you. William.

1689
01:22:03.279 --> 01:22:06.000
You'll be covering a white two days. Yeah, that little

1690
01:22:06.079 --> 01:22:11.680
lee three days. So I appreciate it, and thanks for

1691
01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:12.439
coming on man.

1692
01:22:16.039 --> 01:22:21.079
Science called me under shadows turn.

1693
01:22:23.359 --> 01:22:30.760
And be came under, falling through the sky side the

1694
01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:32.159
world accord.

1695
01:22:35.039 --> 01:22:58.159
I munches whispered to another. Horribirds, Who's who Heather.

1696
01:23:02.039 --> 01:23:28.800
Survives into the clumps, into.

1697
01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:40.840
The cuestion from them?

1698
01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:52.520
Ma cried, but I was still inside of a thousand voices. Greay,

1699
01:23:54.319 --> 01:23:56.119
don't shot in my.

1700
01:23:58.119 --> 01:23:58.319
Love.

1701
01:23:58.439 --> 01:24:07.720
I thought about lie without a face. I lost myself

1702
01:24:08.920 --> 01:24:15.199
and found a deeper place to the face.

1703
01:24:17.960 --> 01:24:29.600
Break the skin, lent the side, pull watch your fears.

1704
01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:41.600
Just the door went tog, let's go.

1705
01:24:44.439 --> 01:24:57.720
Let go. You fall acard, you fall to the cars

1706
01:24:58.159 --> 01:25:01.560
na or stay.

1707
01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:22.119
Delay was always inside journeys.

1708
01:25:54.119 --> 01:25:59.520
You you

1709
01:26:25.199 --> 01:26:25.239
B