June 14, 2025

Midwest Legends and Personal Encounters with Ryley Watson

Midwest Legends and Personal Encounters with Ryley Watson
Midwest Legends and Personal Encounters with Ryley Watson
The Broadcasting Seeds Podcast
Midwest Legends and Personal Encounters with Ryley Watson
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In this episode of Broadcasting Seeds, we sit down with Ryley Watson, host of the Midwest Mythos Podcast, to dive deep into the strange, the supernatural, and the unforgettable experiences that shaped his journey into the world of cryptids, folklore, and high strangeness. Ryley opens up about his own personal encounters—moments that led him to start Midwest Mythos and dedicate himself to exploring the untold stories hidden in the heartland. We talk about his favorite episode, the chilling cases that stuck with him, and what keeps him searching for the truth behind the legends. From haunted woods and cryptid sightings to firsthand accounts that challenge reality, this episode explores the power of myth, memory, and the paranormal landscape of the Midwest.

Check out Ryley's work:

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YouTube – @MidwestMythosPodcast

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Year, Dear Joe, straight from the broadcast studio and then

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the dreams. So with you tune in better guards. Your

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mind is broadcasting seeds and were breaking the design of

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Straight from the broadcast studio and in the static ecstatic.

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Static studie studios.

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From the broadcast studio, Yeah it's yet. Straight from the

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broadcast studio.

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We're live. Hey, Riley, tell us who you are and

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what you do.

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So I am Riley Wants. I'm the host of Midwest

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Mythos and man, I talk about the cryptids, that ancient history.

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I like talking about the aliens, conspiracies, and most of all,

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I love talking about Jesus and the Bible. And you

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get a mixture of all that kind of stuff on

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Midwest Mythos and Yeah. Man, it's just it's I like

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talking about the weird stuff nobody talks about. I finally

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got the outlet to do it because you know, growing up,

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I had maybe like two friends I talked about this stuff.

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Then I heard about podcasts and I was like, man,

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let me do it. I am a year in last week,

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two weeks ago. This is awesome.

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Who's your favorite guest so far? Now that's a loaded question.

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I'm just saying, but you know, we all kind of

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have shows that we know are good.

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Yeah, honestly, I would have to and this is nothing

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that any of the guests I had on because I.

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I love every guess I understand that too.

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Honestly, it would have to be as far as like

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blowing my mind, just like in just the flow of

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the conversation. It has to be Amber from Cold Life Escaped.

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I actually just had her episode just came out this

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past week. And I'm sitting there and you know, when

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I'm talking to people, I always get I'm involved in

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the conversation. Yeah, focused and pay in. But me and her,

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it only felt like we were recording for like twenty minutes,

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thirty minutes. We're there for two and a half hours almost. Yeah,

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that's a good one, getting into it talking about satanic colts,

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the signs of everything and how to get into them.

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And I'm just like, man, this is all everything that

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I've always been into researching. Yeah, it all came just

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into this one. And I was like, man, this is

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I've told her like ten times this last week. This

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is probably the funnest interview I've ever done.

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That's awesome. What is Amber from the Cult?

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Life Escaped? Dude? I'll send you, ah, I'll send you

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your info after. She's a wonderful woman to talk to

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and take a lot of notes. So you're all good?

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So do I so so talk to us about what

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got you into this whole thing, Like, you know, did

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you have an experience when you were younger? All that

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type of stuff. You know, there's everyone's got a gateway,

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so what what is yours? All?

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Right? So it's funny because I actually this is like

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the whole intro to my podcast. It's me playing guitar,

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and I'm just like, ever since I was a young boy,

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been fascinated of stories of the unknown places yet to

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be discovered, while people trying to find their wildest riches,

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all that kind of stuff, experiences creatures. So it's kind

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of funny because when I was a child, I was

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afraid of everything. Everything scared me. I was definitely terrified

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of aliens, ghosts, everything. My parents were surprised. I even

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watched Scooby Doo right, and they were kind of just

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they were kind of disappointed to me because there I

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come from a family like horror is everything. Like they

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you name a horror movie from the seventies to present, Yep,

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they've seen it and wow. So I just kind of

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shied away from all this kind of stuff. And then

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in about two thousand, was it two thousand and six

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or two thousand and seven, Monster Quest started coming out,

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and I just remember watching it one day and it

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was the second episode and it was about Bigfoot in

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the Pacific Northwest, and I was like, oh, this is

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really really cool. So I kind of just like it

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kind of just ingrained itself in my little kid mind,

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and I never forgot about it. So when i'd go

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to the library and stuff at school, I'd look I'd

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be like, hey, this is whatever, Master, can you help

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me find a book on Bigfoot? And she would helped

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me find all these books on Bigfoot, and then I

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read those look at the pictures, and then some of

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these books, for being in a kid's library, got into

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some pretty deep stuff like connections to UFOs and stuff

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like that. And like I said earlier, I was terrified

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at aliens, so like I kind of got scared for

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a minute, but I tried to stick with the big

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Harry Man did a bunch of research on research when

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I was a kid. Then Ancient Aliens came out, and

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my dad was obsessed with that show because he did

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when he was alive. If you walked into my parents' house,

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he had the Sci Fi channel lot and was watching

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those crappy be movies and stuff like that. R his

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three favorite movies of all time, Armageddon, which is not

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a B movie, not the worst movie, Dependence Day, and

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then Firing the Skies, and so we would just he

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was all about aliens and stuff, and he was open

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to talk about them with me, and so we'd get

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home from school watch Ancient Aliens and I was just like,

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Ahian Aliens was slippery slope. It helped me get over

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my fear of aliens at like eleven or twelve. And

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then at that point my best friend Caleb, he was

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also into the stuff, so me and him would bounce

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ideas off of each other, talk about it, do research.

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We attempted to read Chariot of the Gods at twelve,

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and that book is a pretty.

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Dense you know, it's pretty bad. It's a more advanced book. Yeah,

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so we're.

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Just like, as screw this, We're not gonna read this.

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And then as we got older, like seniors in high school,

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we started to And at this point I came across

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Sasquatch Chronicles and The Confessionals right when he first started

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that podcast yep, so like late twenty seventeen, early twenty eighteen,

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and I was like, wait, there's a whole world of

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people talking about this. Nobody besides my buddy will talk

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about this stuff with me. So over the years, I

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just like, all right, I'm gonna start a podcast. I'm

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gonna start a podcast. Never did. Then I met Shane

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Jones from Inquiers of Our Reality.

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Who we were just talking about good Dad.

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We met at Eric from Uncomfortable Podcasts his event in

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Michigan Bigfoot and Bruise. Shane and I hooked it off,

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and I talked to Eric too, and both of them

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were like, oh, you should start a podcast. A couple

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of years went by and boom, here it was. But

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I've always I guess it's a long winded story, but

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now it's always been a I mean, I've had plenty

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of experiences too. I've living right on Lake Michigan.

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Yep.

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UFOs are not a surprise me and countless other people

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I've lived with, by friends, all that we've all, we've

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all seen UFOs. It's a couple of them we know

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for sure. Others could just be other things. We know

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they're not planes because there's so much airplane traffic in

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the area. We're very, very familiar all the airports in Chicago.

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We got all the airports from Wisconsin, Michigan, Detroit, you know,

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Betton Harber's Airport. I've been, so we know what planes

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look like because we see about two hundred of them

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a day. Yeah, it was just stuff like that and

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I'm like, man, I'm gonna start talking about it on

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the podcast. So yeah, that's how That's how I got here, man.

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Yeah. So when so let's transition into like cryptids a

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little bit. Yeah, and we'll just get into this whole

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camping trip that you guys went on, you and Doc

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and who actually put that together.

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So that was a that was a combined effort of

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horror owns from Big four reports and data and then

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uh Drew Ski from Crypti Warfare.

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Yeah and c w ops.

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He they they got together. I got a text. I

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interviewed Drew Sky like last late last summer.

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Me and him hit it off right away, and he's like, bro,

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you got to come out with me and my team sometime.

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And I was like, I you know, you guys are Yeah.

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So he's like, oh, well, I'm in the works. I'm

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talking to this one guy. And this is before really

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before Harley even like blew up.

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So they they had been talking for quite a while

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and next thing, you know, me and Harley get to

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know each other and I get an invite from both

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of them at the same time. That's awesome, Hey you

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want to come you want to come down to an

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undisclosed location down to Tennessee and you know, go camping,

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look for bigfoot and dog man.

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I think the whole swath of eastern Tennessee is undisclosed. Seriously,

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it really is. It's crazy. Yeah. I've been down there

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a few times, not not really for this type stuff,

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but when I was down there, I always just got

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And I've also spent a lot of time across the

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border in North Carolina in the Smokies, and dude, it's

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just got a different energy there, man, And.

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It really does. And we can get into that, man.

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Yeah, for sure, absolutely, I want to. I want to

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hear about it because the next time, if I don't

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get invited, I'm gonna torch some stuff.

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You know. That's a very uh that's a very common

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statement that I've been hearing late. There's been a lot

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of people, and some of the people had invites in

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there just like, no, I don't want to come.

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You know, I would be there in a heartbeat. That's

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just you know, but you know, not everyone's able to

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to do it. You get it. Yeah, so you no,

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I'm just I'm just messing around, but not messing around.

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Yeah, I know, I know exactly what you mean Drew Ski.

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When you listen to this, don't do it man, Oh

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your boy, do it man.

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But yeah, so we've had you know, some people obviously,

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life happens, they weren't able to come out. That's understandable,

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you know. And then others, like I said, just were like,

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I don't I'm feeling I don't think nothing's gonna happen,

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to be honest, I was kind of skeptical going out

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anyway too, because I was like, you know, I've done

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my fair share of squashing up in the Midwest, Michigan mostly,

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but you know, coming from you know, the Midwest, man,

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it's flat, it's corn. We got forest, but we got

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some dense forests too, but it's still flat. You know.

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You can get hills here and there and a lot

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of tree growth, but you can still see, like even

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with heavy brush, you can still see quite a bit

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in front of.

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You, Yeah, for sure.

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And at night, you know, moonlight still comes through the

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trees a little bit. But when I was driving down there,

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especially once I got into like southern Kentucky, once I

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really got into the Appalation Trail and the smoky.

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It's different, animal, bro, dude.

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It it kind of hit me because I mean I've

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been down there for like vacation and stuff, but that

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was just, Oh, We're going to like Seerville, Pigeon forde

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geat Lebert, you know, do all the touristy stuff, just

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like me and my friends for like a long weekend.

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So I, you know, I drive through the mountains like, oh,

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these are pretty. You know, this is cool, it's breathtaking.

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But going down there with the mindset of what I

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was going.

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To be doing, like I'm getting into it.

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Yeah. So Harley's transmission blew out on his truck, so

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I'm on my way down. I've already been driving for

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like nine and a half hours at this point. He

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texted me. He's like, hey, boy, can you come pick

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me up? Yeah, I got you. It's not too far

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out the way. So I pick him up and we're

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sitting there talking. He's showing me some pictures that he's

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never showed anybody. He's like, he's getting me hyped and stuff.

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We're heading the doc's house to stay the night and

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have a little sleepover, and we're just getting and we

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go through the mountains and I'm like sitting there, I'm like, man,

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I am not gonna lie. I'm kinda kind of scared

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right now. This is intimidating. Like, right, it's really really

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different than the Midwest.

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It's just a different type of dark.

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It really is. It really it is, and that's going

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to play a factor here in a little bit. So,

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you know, we have our little sleepover at Dock's house,

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have fun, shoot the dice about podcasting, and just just

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hang out, you know, because it's our first time meeting

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each other in person after talking on the phone for

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eight months. Yeah, so we finally get down, all right,

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We're going to our spot that we're gonna be at

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for the week. And then we get to the spot,

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Harley's with me, and I'm like, bro, I don't feel good.

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Like I'm feeling really really uneasy about this, Like I

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get I'm getting humbled really really quick, and just something

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feels off, and part of me is like thinking logic.

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I try to think logically a lot of the time. Yeah,

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I'm like, all right, well, I heard all these stories,

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I've seen all these pictures and stuff from the area

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I've heard over the last eight years, heard all these

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stories from this general vicinity just from Tennessee, North Carolina, Kentucky,

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Southern Kentucky on all these podcasts, all these encounters with

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these creatures, and I'm like, you know, I've had my

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own encounters with creatures and stuff up in Michigan, but

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it's this is just different. Like I don't know this place,

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I don't know this type of train. Like if something

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were to happen, I don't know how long I'd be

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able to survive by myself. So I'm just like wigging out.

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But I'm just like, all right, it's all this nothing's

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actually like out here right now. You know, we're just

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driving to this super secluded place, and I think that

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that was like the beginning of it. So we finally

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get there, everybody starts pulling in. We're like, all right,

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let's set up base camp, and you know, we're having fun.

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We're showing on stuff and Drew Ski he's like, hey, Riley,

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you know you're kind of in charge of like our

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spiritual protection for the weekend and stuff like that. Because

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we had talked about. I brought down my guitar. I

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was gonna play some worship music and stuff. Yeah, I'm

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my wife and I are the worship leaders at are

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Church here in Indiana, so it's like, all right, man,

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you know we all most of us love g this

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and pretty involved. So you know, let's just hang out.

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We're gonna be by fire anyway, play some guitar, let's

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do some worship. We can do some country and stuff

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like that. Just have a good old time. So what

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Drewsky does is he hands me a bottle of anointing oil,

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and he's like, do what you gotta do.

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This isn't a ditty party jerky.

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So he's setting up anyway through the up the value. Man,

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he slammed out. But yeah, man, so I take the

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oil and around the perimeter of our camp and just

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marking trees.

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Yeah, because I would be doing this thing.

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Making little crosses with the oil.

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I was just upstairs. I don't have it down here

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right now. But anyway, keep coming.

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It's good. It's good practice anywhere you go, especially in

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your own home.

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You know.

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Yeah, you gotta claim it. It's so I'm like, all right,

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well I'm sitting I'm praying. You know, God, Lord Jesus,

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this is this is all creation is yours. I am

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claiming this vicinity that we are in His camps. Yes,

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as it is yours. No principalities, no creatures, no hexes, witchcraft.

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Anything that is in these old ancient mountains is allowed

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in here. It is your domain. Do as you will

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and what you must just protect us all. So that

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is we have come to determine. Was me throwing the

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match on the gasoline.

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But I've heard the same type of thing, but I don't.

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I don't care. Man, Like everybody's in hindsight looking back

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at everybody's like, Man, Riley, you really did piss something off,

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And I said, I don't care. I was like, this

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is the authority that Christ has given us yes to do,

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so I do all that. We're all good now. We're

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just chilling till it's uh night time. So we're just

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getting to know each other because for most of us,

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the only person that I knew, like actually knew knew

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before going down there was Kevin from where the Weird

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Ones are, because me and him had met up at

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a small town monster fest in Ohio the previous year,

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so we had already hung out, you know, we chair

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some beers together. We knew each other. So we're just

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meeting everybody else. And because most of us have talked

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to each other on each other's podcast, and but you

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know in person it's different. So we're just right tapping

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up hugs, you know, cooking some food, sitting by, trying

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to get a fire set up for the night, get

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all the gear ready to go. H Drew was setting

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up alarms all over the place.

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I get it, man, I do the same, and that's

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the same thing.

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Those were more for bear than anything. Like, Yeah, we

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knew there was cryptids and stuff out there, but you know.

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There's trail cams for the cryptids. Yeah. Actually, but anyway,

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I could see that.

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I'm gonna have to try that when I'm I'm doing

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something up.

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Here, and I've got a few trail cams that I

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set up so I can sleep soundly.

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Yeah, I can see the reasoning behind that. Yeah, man,

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so Drew, I don't know. I think people like Drew.

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These alarms were the funniest thing ever, and they were

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very very effective trip lines, all the all the cool stuff.

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So all right, we're sitting here, we're relaxing stuff. Well,

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finally starts to get dark. We get a game plan going.

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Some people went hiking throughout the day. I was still

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very tired, so I was like, I'm just gonna I'm

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just gonna rest.

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Well.

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Comes nighttime, they're like, all right, we're going out. We're

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sending one team in one direction and one in the other.

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And I decided to stay at bass camp with two

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other guys and I was like, oh, I'll play some guitar,

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maybe draw draw them in, you know, because that's been

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that's been proven they like music. So I grew to

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grab my guitar and one of the guys everybody's already

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left at this point. One of the guys is like,

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don't you dare play that guitar? And I was like,

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why don't we want to draw them in? He's like,

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not to bass camp. Not to bass camp. And I

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was like yeah. He's like, Riley, I've been doing this

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for way longer than you've been alive. That's not a

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smart move. And I'm like, all right, man, I get it.

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I'm gonna listen to you. Because at this point it's

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so dark I can't even see and we're at bass camp.

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We have a fire and I still can't see my

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hand in front of my face. Yeah, right, of like

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the little red head lamps and that's all we got. Well,

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the first thing that happens is we set up a

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cam light, which to people that don't know what that is,

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it's like a fancy glows It's a really big glow

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stick at the end of the road. And my job,

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besides helping run communications between the parties and stuff, is

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to watch this close stick. But you don't want to

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stare at it, because then your mind will start playing

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illusions and stuff on you.

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For sure.

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Well, me and Senior are just like, wait a second,

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is that thing moving? And then all of a sudden

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there's like a shadow in front of it. I'm like, what,

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something's messing with this? So we're you know, calling out

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to everybody we might have some we got some weird

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stuff going on at base camp, and so we call

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it in. I was like, all right, we'll keep an eye.

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And this keeps something happening for like the next hour.

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Something's like messing with this thing. Then all of a sudden,

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we hear some wrestling to the behind us, like off

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in the woods. Nobody went out in that direction and

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it sounds big. Was that, you know, freaking not like

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freaking out, but you know, we're getting alert, like what

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was that? And of course that is the one spot

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that I did not take the oil out to right

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because I was like, it's like, ain't nobody gonna be

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out there, I'm just gonna cut it short. So they

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got pretty close. So we're already on this and then

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all of a sudden we start hearing owls. We just

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hit them so and they're like, oh, we're hearing hours.

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And then all of a sudden, like at this point,

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I whip out my phone and I'm like, all right,

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I'm if you guys hearing that. Called one of the

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teams and they're like, yo, we're getting this weird like

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owl noise, but it doesn't quite sound like an owl.

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I'm like, yeah, you know, that's a I got it

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on video. Of course on the video, all you can

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hear is I got to put it through a program

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and like ripped the audio.

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Out just to clean it up because you could.

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Faintly hear it in the background, but other than that

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you just hear us walking and stuff. But dude, it

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was it was wild. It was like that was not

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a The first one may have been an hour, but

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the second one it was not because it sounded close,

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but it was just basier almost, And then you get

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that samurai chatter yep. After I'm just like because that

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was that was like on a ridge line maybe one

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hundred yards from base camp and one team it was

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basically in the center of the triangle between the two

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teams in base camp. Yeah, I was that that kind

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of got me going. I was like, man, I don't

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know about this here, I don't know about this. And

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that was really a lot of what happened the first night.

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Like we talked about before, like there's always so much

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I can talk about this because we've got a documentary

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coming out, But the first night, there's no footage. Besides

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some of this, you.

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Were kicking it off right off the bat. You had

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activity the first night.

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Yeah, I didn't. Supposedly some people may saw some stuff

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even when we were driving in just like some weird

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night just shadows and stuff. Well, the next morning the

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first thing, because I I was supposed to sleep in

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a hammock all weekend. But after that, I was like,

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I'm sleeping in my car and.

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I get it, man, I get it.

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And I lucked out. And I think a few of

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us lucked out because I wasn't. My only when thinking that,

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it was like mind soon raining, So I'm just like, oh, man,

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I didn't put my tarp up right, because I did

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put it up right, but there was so much rain.

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My hand is still right. Yeah, it still got wet

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a little bit, like I could have slept in it,

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but it was a good excuse to sleep in my car.

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In the car. Yeah, and so on.

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Just the next morning, we wake up and we go

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out to where that camp light was and there's a

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slide next to it, like where something stepped. Yeah, and

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it slid and I can't remember remember if Doc, if

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you end up listening to this and you hear there,

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you know, if this is something that i'm it's I'm sorry,

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but it was before you got here in the morning,

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so I think it's a pretty fair game. But it's yeah,

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there was like a slide. It was a big slide

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like something, because like I said, it was really wet

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right where it would have crossed over and blacked out

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the light was where it would have had to step.

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And there was a trail going from one creek. Well

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it went up on a ridge, but there was a

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creek behind it, and then there's another ridge to my

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left and there's a creek down below right, So there

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was just you know, game trail but possible footprints, just

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like the way the foliage and everything was it would

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you know it wasn't Yeah, we wouldn't be able to

466
00:22:46.759 --> 00:22:49.759
get nice, like clean tracks. Now we did. There was

467
00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:52.119
other places in the location where we were able to

468
00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:54.400
see some really cool tracks, and you can see those

469
00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:57.240
on Harley's page. Actually some of the tracks we didn't

470
00:22:57.240 --> 00:22:59.680
even take pictures of. Honestly, at that point, there was

471
00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:01.920
so many tracks that it was like, all right, do

472
00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:03.839
we want to take a picture of this or do

473
00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:06.480
we want to keep on moving? And we chose to

474
00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:09.359
keep on moving because there's just so much stuff happening.

475
00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:14.000
Yeah, for sure. I always tell people there's a really

476
00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:17.680
cool app called scanner Verse, and I don't know, you know,

477
00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:20.519
some people have it, some people don't. I've found it

478
00:23:20.680 --> 00:23:24.960
very effective because you can manipulate the picture after meaning

479
00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:27.039
you can you know, look at all angles of it.

480
00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:29.079
So if you don't have that on your phone, you

481
00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:29.720
should get it.

482
00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:30.839
I'm gonna check it out.

483
00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:34.400
Yeah, scan it. It's free. Oh even better, it's a

484
00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:37.559
free app, so you can take you take like e

485
00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:40.599
motion kind of like picture of all angles of the

486
00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:45.599
of the print, and then you can spin it and

487
00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:48.960
look at it. It's wild, and I've got a couple

488
00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:53.440
like bigfoot tracks and then some really big kne hunt tracks,

489
00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:56.279
which come on, Man, I don't try to mess around

490
00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:59.839
with dog man. Oh man, just saying for some reason,

491
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.680
I you know, it just doesn't sasquatch. Bigfoot doesn't do

492
00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:07.960
that give me the same willies. Yeah, not that it wouldn't.

493
00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:11.400
I mean, and I've had pretty close encounters. But for

494
00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:14.839
some reason, dog man, I don't know. Man, something about

495
00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:17.039
it gets me. And maybe it's because I got bit

496
00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:18.720
by a dog when I was a kid, and I've

497
00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:21.440
got this caneine issue. I don't have a canine issue,

498
00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:23.960
but maybe I do, but only with a dog man.

499
00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:26.720
I get that. Man. You know, I've had my fair

500
00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:29.880
share of like close with the squatch. Yeah, but yeah,

501
00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:32.720
the dog man. Well, my wife's actually seen one not

502
00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:35.920
too far away from our house while driving down the highway.

503
00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:38.599
It's right by a state park that I like to

504
00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:41.519
go out to all the time. Yeah, dude, Like she

505
00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:44.279
the way she described it, she's not even into the stuff,

506
00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:46.799
Like she had no interest in it until we got married,

507
00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:49.160
and she's kind of just like sucked into it. But

508
00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:51.720
she described it as terrifying I was like, yeah.

509
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:54.759
Yeah, man, yeah, I mean I know that people also

510
00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:57.799
have the you know, they have like dog man encounters,

511
00:24:57.799 --> 00:25:00.160
but I'm also like the type I guess that you

512
00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:03.640
would call a type three sasquatch, which is a more

513
00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:08.599
like babboon. Yeah, like sasquatch. So it's got like a muzzle,

514
00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:13.759
like a babboone. Yeah, more like that. Would you call it?

515
00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:18.279
There's a name, the Gugway maybe, Yeah, that's that sounds

516
00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:21.839
something like that. But anyway, that's splitting hairs at this point.

517
00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:25.680
But uh so, so you say you've had encounters, what

518
00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:29.240
what other encounters stick out in your mind that you've had?

519
00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:33.319
So this I live at this property up in Betton Harbor, Michigan.

520
00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:36.359
Go around the area just southwest Michigan, and I live

521
00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:39.640
with my buddy and his wife before they got married,

522
00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:43.079
and dude, we just had all sorts of weird stuff happened.

523
00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:46.680
And this this town's already got a lot of weird history,

524
00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:50.720
lots of UFO stuff, lots of cult stuff, apparently some

525
00:25:50.799 --> 00:25:53.200
cryptid stuff that I found out. You know, there's dog

526
00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:56.839
apparently there's dog men and uh sasquatch out there. I

527
00:25:56.880 --> 00:25:59.799
knew there was Sasquatch because it's not too far away

528
00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:02.920
up from the Dewey Lake monster sighting from the sixties,

529
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:08.680
probably fifteen twenty minutes from there, so I knew this

530
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:10.960
stuff was out there. Well, we had a lot of

531
00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:15.000
spiritual stuff happened, well, I should say I had a lot.

532
00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:19.200
And then one night we saw something out in the woods.

533
00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:21.599
It was the middle of the night, me and my buddy.

534
00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:22.000
Uh.

535
00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:24.960
He liked to have fires every single night, whether it's

536
00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:28.079
just him out there burning trash or just sitting out

537
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:31.880
there just smoking a cigar, listening to music, having a beer. Well,

538
00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:34.960
it was like a Friday or Saturday night. I wanted

539
00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:37.240
to stay inside and play some video games with some

540
00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:39.319
of our other buddies. It was like one two o'clock

541
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:44.079
in the morning, sitting there really into my game, just

542
00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:47.039
locked in, and I just hear pounding on my door

543
00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:51.799
and I I'm not thinking anything of it, and he,

544
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:55.039
my buddy, rips open the door. He was like, Riley,

545
00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:57.359
cut the damn game off, come outside right now. And

546
00:26:57.359 --> 00:26:59.079
I'm like, dude, why, I was like, you just want

547
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:01.480
somebody hang out with? No, dude, I think I heard.

548
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:03.519
I'm just gonna say it's a skin walker. I know

549
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:05.480
it's probably not, but I'm just gonna say.

550
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:07.519
It is, because that's gonna say that's what I think

551
00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:07.880
it is.

552
00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:11.680
Yeah, and just because like he knew if he said

553
00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:14.519
that it would get me up and going. He could

554
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:16.839
have said any cryptic thing and I would have And

555
00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:20.000
I'm like, hell you mean. And at this point he's

556
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:22.279
in the room because my room, and there was my

557
00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:24.680
room and then the storage room where we kept all

558
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:27.200
our guns and stuff like that. And at this point,

559
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:29.920
because I'm already out, he's loading his guns. He's like,

560
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:32.720
grab your pistol, and I'm like, what the hell, Like,

561
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:34.799
what's going on? He's like, all right. So I'm sitting

562
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:37.400
out there and I hear these coyotes yep in and

563
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:40.319
he's like, I heard one. They all got silent, and

564
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:43.279
then I heard one let out this like like it's hurt,

565
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:47.240
like yep yell. How they are Yeah, We're we're very,

566
00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:50.079
very familiar with coyotes and how they sound in this area. Dude,

567
00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:53.920
there's thousands of them. Yeah, and we so we it

568
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:56.400
was not gonna be confused with anything else. And then

569
00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:00.200
he said, I heard this noise like super low out

570
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:03.359
out in the woods. Yeah, and I'm like, dude, what

571
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:06.200
the hell? So I grab my I grab my pistol,

572
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:09.119
I got my flashlight, and we're like all right, So

573
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:11.359
we kicked. We open up the back gate and behind

574
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:13.920
the house is a bunch of acres that lead into

575
00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:15.799
like a creek and a swamp and stuff like that.

576
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:19.160
Behind it a bunch of farm land too. It's pretty old.

577
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:21.079
It's like a it's surrounded by trees, but then it

578
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:23.240
opens up. It kind of like a meadow behind it,

579
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:26.240
like a swampy meadow. So it's two in the morning,

580
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:28.599
in the middle of the summer, so it's kind of foggy,

581
00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:31.839
so we're kind of just scanning, and all of a sudden,

582
00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:34.559
there's a stump. It's about like four foot. I see

583
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:37.559
these blue eyes that my light hits and I see

584
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:39.759
these blue eyes, and my buddy sees it too, but

585
00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:42.680
he sees normal eye shine, but I see blue and

586
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:44.599
we're just like, what the hell is that? Like, the

587
00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:46.759
mines are too big to be a raccoon, because they're

588
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:50.200
like spaced like a human's eyes, maybe a little farther out.

589
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:53.319
And we started looking around making sure there's nothing else,

590
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:56.480
and then we turn back it's gone. So at this point,

591
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:58.920
I'm scanning the left, he's scanning to the right, and

592
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:02.400
I see it stand just like going off to the

593
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:05.079
side towards there was a neighbor's house, but they're never

594
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:09.240
there because they're rich foreigners who live in their house

595
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:12.160
part time. And that's a lot of southwest Michigan. So

596
00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:14.559
they're heading off to that, which in that direction is

597
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.599
also where the swamps at. And I'm like, dude, what

598
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:19.920
the hell it's it's going this way, it's going this way.

599
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:22.359
And it looked like it was it was taller than me.

600
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:24.920
I'm five ten, I'd say it's probably like six three

601
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:29.240
sixty four, and it was just going off that way,

602
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:31.240
and I could still only see the eye, so it's

603
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:35.640
kind of just looking at us as Yeah, it was

604
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:37.799
going I'm like, I'm not about to start. I'm not

605
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:40.559
about to start popping off or anything. No, No, because

606
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:43.839
I don't I don't know what idiot could It could

607
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:46.119
in my mind at the time, it could be somebody

608
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:48.480
out there messing with us, But why would they do that?

609
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:51.799
You know, there's no point it's the neighbors ain't there.

610
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:54.240
The floodlights off, so we know they're not there. And

611
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:58.000
the other neighbors are too far in the wrong direction, right,

612
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:00.400
So we're just like, I'm like, what the hell, what's that?

613
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:00.720
Man?

614
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:02.720
He's like, I don't know. I was like, you want

615
00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:05.720
to go after it? And like I said, it just

616
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:07.880
like that because I didn't want to, but if he

617
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:11.240
wanted to, we're gonna make it happen. And he said, nah,

618
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:15.680
let's just go back inside. Yeah, we're good, And dude,

619
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:19.480
it was. That was pretty scary. And we've had a

620
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:21.960
lot of other weird stuff happen out there as far

621
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:27.720
as like he saw a like apparition witch thing one

622
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:30.359
time when he was out there, like mine speak kind

623
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:32.720
of to him while he was sleeping out there hunting.

624
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:36.160
I got a whole episode of it on my show.

625
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:39.119
It's the Witch of the Woods episode we talk about

626
00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:42.759
everything and that just talking about everything on his property.

627
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:45.079
It takes about two and a half hours to get

628
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:47.720
through everything that happened to us out there. Well, he

629
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:51.079
also heard that night, well that noise that I made,

630
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.480
but then he also heard he said, it almost sounded

631
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:57.279
like the predator mixed with this character from my old show,

632
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:00.160
like Perry the Platypus from this old show of some

633
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.480
fer that we used to watch one of your kids,

634
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:07.920
but also like a door creaking two more so that

635
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:10.480
freaked me out. I was like, all right, well so

636
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:12.559
you heard that, and then you heard the noise that

637
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:17.000
I recreated. And then a couple of weeks later because

638
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:19.519
I worked second shift, so I would go to work

639
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:21.799
like two three in the afternoon, wouldn't get home till

640
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:26.000
two three in the morning, and uh, I'm walking. We

641
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:28.400
had a poll bar to our side. Then it opened

642
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:30.839
up and then you know, all the woods and everything's

643
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:34.839
back like ten acres straight back. Well, the only part

644
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:37.119
of the yard I couldn't see because we had a

645
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:40.119
bridle floodlight was behind this pole bar in this corner.

646
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:42.440
So it made this v that was just complete darkness.

647
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:47.400
And I heard that an I do. I booked it inside,

648
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:49.359
like I'm trying to get my key in the door

649
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:51.759
unlock it, and I'm like, dude, dude, dude, I gotta go,

650
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:54.519
I gotta go, I gotta go. And I don't know

651
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:57.519
if it was I don't know if it was this

652
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:01.119
thing or something similar. Yeah, and we we've been out

653
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:04.039
there because we spent a lot of time outside there

654
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:05.559
just having fires.

655
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:07.680
And stuff throws off as the blue eye shine.

656
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:11.920
Yeah, it is regular, though you said he thought it

657
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:14.680
was regular. He saw regular, but I saw blue. But

658
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:16.720
I was also he was also looking at it from

659
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:18.279
the side, but I was looking at it head on.

660
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.759
Yeah too, it's weird. I've never heard that.

661
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:25.279
Yeah, and there's only like five animals that have blue

662
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:30.240
eye shine. The's cows, goats, adgers, the wolverine, and something else.

663
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:34.640
But we don't know. None of those things are six

664
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:36.000
or four standing.

665
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:37.079
Up right exactly.

666
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:41.480
So you know, we sat out there. There was one

667
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:44.880
night a couple months later, we had some friends over

668
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:49.240
and it started getting dark and my friend's wife was like, Hey,

669
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.279
what is that light out there? And we're thinking, oh,

670
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:55.880
it's the flood light from the house because they were

671
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.839
in town but they weren't home. They were out doing something.

672
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:00.079
Yeah, and this.

673
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:03.400
Blue dot out on one of the trails. I'm like,

674
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:06.519
what is that? So I get up look at it

675
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:08.279
and it's just sitting there in the middle of the trail,

676
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:09.960
and I'm like, I don't want to go mess with

677
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.559
that no more. So we sit down and then all

678
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.000
of a sudden, these orbs just start appearing right on

679
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.359
the woodline right where our gate is, and we got.

680
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:19.759
We got pictures of them too, somewhere. I can send

681
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:22.440
them to you, but they're like orb just like not

682
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.359
close enough to the eyes, but just yeah, orbs out

683
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:29.319
there blue, orbs blue and white. Like we we thought

684
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:32.160
there were lights, eventually we did. After they were gone.

685
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:34.039
We mustard up the courage to go out there. No

686
00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:37.000
footprints nothing, you know, it wasn't people out there, Yeah,

687
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.240
because it's pretty muddy, so you're gonna see the people

688
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:41.880
are gonna leave footprints and stuff out there. Nope, nothing.

689
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:45.519
It was just really really weird. But this whole property

690
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:48.359
was just weird. I've had stuff like a long time

691
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:51.039
walking at the end of my bed, stuff grabbing me

692
00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:54.160
in my sleep, my footsteps down the hallway.

693
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:55.640
And more like paranormal stuff too.

694
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:58.759
Yeah, there was a lot of paranormal stuff. And it

695
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:03.240
doesn't surprise me either because the town is really really

696
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:05.920
close to well. Ben Harbor is one of the points

697
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:07.680
of the Lake Michigan Truangle. I don't know if you've

698
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:10.000
heard of that at all. Yeah, yeah, sure, And so

699
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:12.920
you know, I'm one of those believers just because we

700
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:16.119
as man make geographical lines and stuff and make an

701
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:18.320
endpoint and stuff like that. Doesn't mean the stuff can't

702
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.760
extend out a little bit farther. So this area is

703
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:24.360
already full of high strangeness. So I'm just like it

704
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:26.639
is pretty wild.

705
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:31.039
Is it running water running through it? Yeah? Actually so,

706
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:33.360
I mean it's just one of those things, like certain

707
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:36.519
things you look for signs of, like lay lines and

708
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:37.360
things like that.

709
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:41.159
Right, So, oh yeah, the whole area is uh, it's

710
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:44.679
the Papaul Lake Watershed. So we have the Pawpaul River,

711
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.440
the Saint Joseph River, all this stuff, and at some

712
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:50.760
point they eventually lead out to the Mississippi River and

713
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:52.039
all this kind of stuff.

714
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:52.239
Man.

715
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:54.840
So it's there's a lot of there's a lot of water.

716
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.519
Yeah, Saint Joseph's I'm looking I'm looking at the area

717
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:03.679
for like some I'm on the big Foot Mapping Project website,

718
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:07.679
and there's like all around it. There's different sidings, you know,

719
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:11.719
obviously like out of Dewey Lake, Maple Island, that whole area.

720
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:16.000
Oh yeah, you've got a couple sightings out there and reports,

721
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:20.800
and then you've got some up. You've got a footprint

722
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:27.519
another siding up where is by Riverside, which is just

723
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:28.199
north of there.

724
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.679
Yeah, so riversidees like the town I grew up in, Okay.

725
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.320
Yeah, so like there's there's yeah, right on the Popa

726
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:38.880
River there's a couple of sidings. Yeah. And then it's

727
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:42.960
and then south of there too, you've got right right

728
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:47.679
on like right in stevens Stevensville, there's a siding or

729
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:49.679
a vocalization.

730
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:52.320
And that's where we get close to that state park.

731
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:54.079
If you're looking at the mac you'll see at the

732
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:55.320
warned in State Park.

733
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:57.239
Yeah, I see it right there.

734
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:01.000
Just south of that is where my wife has her dog,

735
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:02.119
man a counter aund the highway.

736
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:05.519
And you've got Grand Mirror Lakes, the Grand Mere State

737
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:08.880
Park as well, yep. Man. And then there's one other

738
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:12.840
one that's a little farther south, but it's over in

739
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:16.960
it's by another lake because there's a ton of lakes there,

740
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:21.199
Wagner Lake. Yep. So yeah, man, there's a lot in

741
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:25.000
the area environment you know, as it as it seems

742
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:27.320
and you're like, what, like it doesn't seem like there

743
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.039
should be that much activity, but there is. There's a

744
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:33.519
decent amount. I mean obviously you get farther north, like

745
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:38.239
because as Michigan goes, you know, there's so much activity

746
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:41.599
up up north like insane.

747
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:45.400
The National Forest. That's dude, that's a dog man hot spot.

748
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:50.320
Like up in Bend It Bendon, there's a there's a

749
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.159
whole hot spot up there, which is by what Lake

750
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:57.960
Green Lake. It's called duck Lake Green Lake, interlocking that

751
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:01.280
whole area, there's a hot spot there. This is what's

752
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:02.920
so cool. I don't know if you've ever gotten on

753
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:06.239
this map. It just gives you the hot spots, you know,

754
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:07.880
and it's super cool.

755
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:09.760
It's I used to be the dude that would go

756
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:12.639
to the bfroro's website and stuff like that. But now,

757
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:15.360
like the Bigfoot Mapping Project, Man, they just this is

758
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:16.719
way better. I feel like.

759
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:18.480
I mean they get a lot of their stuff from

760
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:19.559
the BFRO, but.

761
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:22.320
Yeah, but I feel like a lot more people are

762
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:25.000
also open to like put stuff on the big Foot

763
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:26.920
Mapping Project where they don't have to have like a

764
00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:29.840
whole interview because like, we just have that major siding

765
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:33.480
in Monroe County over by south of Detroit. Yep, yep,

766
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:37.480
that class a. Actually Matt Moneymaker got involved with that one.

767
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:38.280
It was so good.

768
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:39.960
Yeah, and I know.

769
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:42.840
That area because uh, I used to fish tournaments out

770
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:45.360
of there out of Monroe over on the Sterling River

771
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:48.199
and the Red River. Yep, I fished over by Plumb

772
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:48.760
River work.

773
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:53.920
The whole area is a hot spot in itself. Oh yeah,

774
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:57.159
right around Monroe, well, especially north of there and what

775
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:02.760
what I think they call Stoney Creek. It's like, dude,

776
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:05.880
there's so many sightings there. Oh yeah, see there they

777
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.320
are going all the way back to like the sixties,

778
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:11.679
so and some of the Yeah, it's nuts. I've been

779
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:14.880
starting to ask. I'm starting to ask all my folks

780
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:19.000
that are especially Christian folks, what do you think we're

781
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:23.559
dealing with? Here? I again loaded loaded question, and you

782
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:26.440
know you don't have obviously. The bottom line is I

783
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:29.039
think we don't know. We don't know anything. We don't

784
00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:33.199
know anything about anything. Like we are so outside of

785
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:36.679
our element with this type of stuff that I don't

786
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:39.519
think we have a clue. Right, I think maybe we

787
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:42.639
have a clue. I mean we have our own experiences, right,

788
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:47.800
and those of people that we trust. What do you

789
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:51.000
think we're dealing with? Like, what's your opinion? Because that's

790
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:52.639
all it is, it's an opinion.

791
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:56.400
It's opinions. Yes, So I would say, well, I guess

792
00:38:56.440 --> 00:38:58.960
that's her preface by this. Growing up, I was always

793
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:01.639
flesh and blood, But the last couple of years just

794
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:05.159
here like hearing all these stories over the last dang

795
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:08.280
almost a decade. Now there's some aspect to them that

796
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:11.320
aren't natural and supernatural, and I know, and I know

797
00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:14.880
there's this whole thing of them being nephil I don't

798
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.519
I don't think that they're necessary. I don't think they're

799
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:22.000
straight flo. I think they're some of them. I think

800
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:23.960
some of them could still be just like flesh and

801
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.800
blood but ape. But then there's this whole other thing

802
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:30.559
that is like just dirty muddy water down.

803
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:33.719
Like like an eliud right, Yeah.

804
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:36.320
Just like it's got some of the genetics and stuff,

805
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:39.400
but most of it is natural. But they have access

806
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:42.239
to these supernatural boots in the same in the same

807
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:45.039
similar sense as us. You know, we have the gifts

808
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:46.039
of the spirit.

809
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:49.000
Right, Like there are plenty of humans that are able

810
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:50.280
to tap into this stuff.

811
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:54.039
Yes, so like they could do something, Belcas, let's take

812
00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:57.079
it back. The whole thing that the enemy can. They

813
00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:00.280
cannot create. They can only mimic and copy what what

814
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:03.760
God has done. So God made us spiritual beings, an

815
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:06.519
im mortal vessel we are of God and we are

816
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:08.880
children of God, so we got it gives us the

817
00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:12.199
ability to do through him and his spirit, to do

818
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:15.519
things that he can, the miracles, the healing, the prophecy,

819
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:18.039
all this, all this kind of stuff that it talks

820
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:21.159
about in the scriptures. Well, if the enemy copied, you know,

821
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:26.320
their descendants would also have abilities like spiritual abilities.

822
00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:26.880
Yeah.

823
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:29.639
So after I guess this is a little teaser for

824
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:33.320
the documentary Operation Smoke that will be out sometime. My

825
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:36.360
experience changed my perspective on all that, and you can

826
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:38.599
hear that in the trailer, and I think the little

827
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:40.679
debrief trailer, I don't think he put a lot of

828
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:42.400
my talking in the defense.

829
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:47.000
Other than you're like, man, you don't know woods. Yeah,

830
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:50.360
so it is true. It's so true, so true, you

831
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.000
don't know woods until you're in some woods like that.

832
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:55.280
A lot of the stuff that I had happened to me. Man,

833
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:58.639
throws a lot of it, Like, I don't I don't

834
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.519
expect everybody to believe that's fine, you know, I know

835
00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:06.320
exactly and I I don't even like me, I'm who

836
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:08.719
experienced it. I'm not even one hundred percent sure what happened.

837
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:11.320
I'm not going to say I saw something. I mean,

838
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:14.639
I did, but I don't know what it is that

839
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:17.159
I seen. Y'all will have to wait for the documentary

840
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:21.280
for that. But it's I had some really really unexplainable

841
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:23.199
and terrifying stuff happened to me.

842
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:24.760
Yeah, like I.

843
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:27.559
Could say one thing for sure. I definitely got blasted

844
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:30.000
by some something zap.

845
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:33.760
Right, that's that what people are calling it zapped or blasted.

846
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:37.000
Yeah, something like that. Like my energy was drained and

847
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:40.559
there was a primal fear and I thought I was

848
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:41.199
going to die.

849
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:44.079
Yeah, man, and that you know.

850
00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:45.599
You guys will get to see a lot of that

851
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:48.599
on the documentary. And then after that comes out when

852
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:51.880
I have free ran to talk about everything, like there's

853
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:54.199
there's a lot more to it that I've just come

854
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:55.119
in the last moment.

855
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:58.559
Yeah, like right right.

856
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:01.559
And I also don't want people thinking like I'm playing

857
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:04.920
this up for the fame and the No oh no,

858
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:07.920
I don't care, man, I'm just not going to happen, right, Like,

859
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.880
I just want you know, I enjoy this kind of stuff,

860
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:14.760
And yeah, I'd still be excited about everything even if

861
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:15.760
nothing did happen to me.

862
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:18.079
I mean, bottom line is, and this is one of

863
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:20.119
the things that I and this is one of the

864
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:23.880
seeds that I like to plant, is that this is fellowship, man,

865
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:27.159
Like this is like at the at the end of it,

866
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:29.440
that's what it is for me, and I know with

867
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:31.960
a lot of other folks that I've come in contact with.

868
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:34.360
The it's the people I like to converse with and

869
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:37.760
hang out with, you know, whether it's virtually or in person,

870
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:41.480
it's for fellowship. You know, like minded folks. I mean,

871
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:43.880
if I don't get along with you, I'm not gonna

872
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:44.599
hang out with you.

873
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:49.159
Right exactly, like that to me, Like everything that happened,

874
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:52.360
like I said, if that didn't happen, this this trip

875
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:54.840
still would have been awesome, man, because I missed great

876
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:58.159
new friends. Man. We got we talked so much scripture,

877
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:02.360
you know, we we all shared our testimonies and stuff,

878
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:05.079
had good food, just hung out and like it was

879
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:06.480
the brotherhood, the fellowship.

880
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:07.480
Yeah, for sure.

881
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.039
And that's the best thing we've all talked about. That's

882
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:11.960
been our favorite thing about the whole thing. That's why

883
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:14.280
we're all going hold to do it again, because like

884
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.639
I've made some really really good friends that I'm only

885
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:19.440
going to see you doing this kind of stuff and

886
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:21.639
I only met doing this kind of stuff.

887
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:24.000
Yeah, so you guys are just messing around in an

888
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:27.360
area where you know, guys like Scott Carpenter spent a

889
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:29.679
lot of time and you know, not just him, but

890
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:31.400
a lot of folks that have been doing this a

891
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:36.559
long time. And I've really been digging, digging, digging deep

892
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:40.199
in as deep as I can into the DNA of

893
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:44.239
this whole thing, right like the Sasquatch genome project and

894
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:47.760
that stuff like that, Scott Carpenter with Melbourne Ketchum, you

895
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:49.880
know what I'm talking about. Yeah.

896
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:50.360
Uh.

897
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:53.679
People can say what they want, and I understand, But

898
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:56.719
at the end of the day, if the science, the

899
00:43:56.840 --> 00:44:00.440
real science were you know, if they would actually just

900
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:02.880
look at the like, give this a real good look,

901
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:05.719
I don't see how they could not at least admit

902
00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:09.519
that there's something going on, right and not just dismiss

903
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:12.119
it out of hand. And oh well, So the biggest

904
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:14.679
argument that I hear about it is like, well, she

905
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:17.519
published it in her own journal that she created just

906
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:20.519
for that well, because nobody else would peer review it

907
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.320
or look at it. So what are you supposed to

908
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:26.199
do then? So, if that's the measure of science, then

909
00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:28.760
that's science. I don't want a part of right, so

910
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:31.400
I don't give it much credence at that point. Plus

911
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:34.559
I'm not going to get myself banned on YouTube. But

912
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:36.679
let's look at where the science has taken this in

913
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:39.679
the past few years about all kinds of stuff, right,

914
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:43.280
So I don't I don't look at the science as

915
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:45.440
much as I used to. I don't give it the

916
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:49.280
credibility that it used to have because if you're not

917
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:52.320
going to give all of it, the whole body of evidence,

918
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:58.639
credibility or possibly libility, I can't even I can't take

919
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:01.440
you seriously. That's I look at it. I mean, I

920
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:03.480
can still be your friend and I can whatever, but

921
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:07.199
I just can't. I can't take it seriously at that

922
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.920
point because you're not open.

923
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:13.119
Exactly well that I think that also plays a part

924
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:16.000
into why what you and I and countless others do

925
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:20.239
is so important, like getting people's experiences, getting them to

926
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:22.800
talk about it, because honestly, I feel just you can

927
00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:25.800
look all throughout history, what's been more effective. You know

928
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:29.480
it's in your books or firsthand like people's stories encounters.

929
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:31.440
Because I'll tell you what it goes back to the

930
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.239
Mountain eighte like the mountain girls and stuff. They didn't

931
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:37.199
think those were real. They thought that was crypto zoology

932
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.800
for years and years. Right, they start talking to the

933
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:42.360
locals and they're like, oh, yeah, you know, these things

934
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:44.320
are real. We experience these things all the time. And

935
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:47.360
then they took them seriously once. I was like, oh, yeah,

936
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:49.679
they live in this part of the jungle. Guess what

937
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:52.639
they went there? Boom there they were. I think if

938
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:55.480
the science and this is also coming from a dude

939
00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:58.519
who was majored in environmental science in college as well,

940
00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:01.320
and a lot of biology, did a lot of biology. Man,

941
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:04.119
you listen to the people that have seen these things,

942
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.000
You're gonna get more than just trying to get these

943
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:10.440
hypotheses hypotheses out of books and stuff like that. You know,

944
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:12.960
you got it. Boots on ground is the most effective

945
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:16.000
form of especially when it comes like to biology and

946
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:18.480
stuff like that, Boots on ground is the most effective. Now,

947
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:20.559
if you're doing like chemistry and stuff like that, that's

948
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.880
a little different, but yeah, right, but in topics like these,

949
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:28.079
you're not gonna just get things from the books half

950
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:30.480
that you have to go out there. And I can't

951
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:34.079
stress that enough. And that's why. I also encourage people

952
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:36.440
out to go out and research places.

953
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:40.079
Yeah, but do it safely, man, Oh yeah, because yeah,

954
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:43.280
you can go sideways. Really, I mean, like missing, for one,

955
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:46.639
one is a real thing, like very what is that about?

956
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:51.280
I don't know for sure, but wow, it's creepy. Right,

957
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.679
people go missing all the time and I don't know

958
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:59.840
why or when we can because crazy stuff happens out there.

959
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:02.440
Yes it does. And do you mind if I give

960
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:05.039
like a couple of words of advice to people? Oh?

961
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:08.119
Absolutely about this? Like, well that's that's kind of where

962
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:10.480
we're headed at this point. Is I like to I

963
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:14.519
like to kind of wrap things up with you planting

964
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:18.159
seeds for people, like talking about things that you know,

965
00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:21.320
make people think, goes right into that.

966
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:25.159
Well. First off, guys, I highly suggest if you're going

967
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:28.280
out into like an ancient place, like you know there's

968
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:32.400
some history of some negative stuff, or you're just going

969
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:35.320
into a place like you're unfamiliar with. Above all else

970
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:38.280
that I'm about to say, stay prayed up like prayers

971
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:42.000
to protection, prayers of discerned that yes, eclip the whole

972
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:45.360
armor of God and know your word, because I'll tell

973
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:46.679
you what that can get you out of a lot

974
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:51.039
more situations than you think they get. The god I worship,

975
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:54.280
the God of Jacob and Jesus Christ can do all things.

976
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:56.679
The second thing is if you're going out into the

977
00:47:56.679 --> 00:47:59.400
woods and like you camping, don't go by yourself and

978
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:02.400
don't go on if you're gonna be like camping around

979
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:05.079
like near a trail and stuff like that, about two

980
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:07.360
other people. So the group of three is good if

981
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:11.239
you're going out into like deep wilderness, no people whatsoever,

982
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:15.039
pretty far from civilization like we were, and ten people

983
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:20.679
armed is starting to be a safe number. Wild stuff happens,

984
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:24.840
you gotta be, you gotta be. You gotta be safe

985
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:29.199
because like you said, one one is a real thing.

986
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:32.119
People go missing all the time, and sometimes people just

987
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:32.639
get lost.

988
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:34.079
That's not sure.

989
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:36.920
Not everything has got to be cryptis not everything's gotta

990
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:40.400
be paranormal and stuff like that. Like the honestly, I'd

991
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:43.639
say seventy five percent of the missing people and stuff

992
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:46.760
like that, it's just people going missing, getting lost, because

993
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:49.079
it's really really easy to get lost in areas that

994
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.280
you're unfamiliar with. Yeah, that's why I was so intimidated.

995
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:54.320
Go another I don't I didn't know the area. I

996
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:57.599
refuse to go out walking in pitch darkness on somewhere

997
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:00.280
I've never stepped foot The second day, I want out

998
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:03.039
because during the day I had done a ton of hiking,

999
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:05.039
like I was familiar with the area enough to where

1000
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.880
I knew how to get back, like left markers and

1001
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:12.519
stuff like that. Right, But yeah, don't don't go out

1002
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:16.280
big chested. Don't think you're a dude that knows how

1003
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:19.320
to rock the Midwest and can survive anywhere in the

1004
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:21.639
Midwest Like I used to live up in the up

1005
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:24.440
in the middle of winter. I know the Midwest. I

1006
00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:26.760
can handle this and stuff. And then thinking I can

1007
00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:31.280
take that all to somewhere like mountains and swamps. Guess what,

1008
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:34.440
You're gonna get humbled real quick and some bad stuff's

1009
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:36.760
gonna happen to you if you walk around with that mentality.

1010
00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:39.199
I guess it all comes down to humility, man, Like,

1011
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:44.000
don't get too big for your bridges. Uh creed, Yeah,

1012
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:46.960
that's take that. Take that to hard guys. Engrave that

1013
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:49.599
in your head. You know it'll save you someday for sure.

1014
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:54.239
Well, man, tell us where people can find you.

1015
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:57.360
All right, I got you, so you can find me

1016
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:01.000
anywhere you can listen to podcasts at Midwest Mythos and

1017
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:03.960
then you can find me on YouTube, which my YouTube

1018
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:05.639
I've been putting a ton of work into and I

1019
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:08.599
got some my bonus contact coming out on there at

1020
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:12.079
Midwest Mytholds Podcast on YouTube. There you're gonna get the

1021
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:15.360
video format of all my episodes. You're also gonna get

1022
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:18.480
some mini documentaries and stuff coming out. I've been doing

1023
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:20.840
a lot of hiking and stuff lately. I actually just

1024
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:23.679
went to Indiana Dunes National Park a couple of days

1025
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:27.320
a couple of days ago, did some videos about twenty

1026
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:29.840
minutes fifteen to twenty minutes of video just walk in

1027
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.360
the nature trail. There's no cryptid, nothing kind of stuff

1028
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:34.559
like that. It's just me spending time in nature and

1029
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:37.079
trying to get people encouraged to go out in nature

1030
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:39.159
and all this stuff too. You can find in my

1031
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:42.320
link tree at ee slash Midwest Mytholds Podcast. There you

1032
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.199
got links to everything. And I got this really cool

1033
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.599
thing right at the top of the page. It's called

1034
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:50.559
the Report and Encounter. So if you or anybody you

1035
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:54.119
know has had an encounter or like you're a research

1036
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:55.760
or anything, it doesn't have to be an encounter and

1037
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:57.960
you just want to talk to me, you can do that.

1038
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:01.000
Go straight to my email. I'll get back to you asap,

1039
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:03.280
or the best place to get a hold of me,

1040
00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:06.199
like you did is my Instagram. I think less mythos.

1041
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:08.400
I'll get back to you pretty quick. I will say,

1042
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:11.880
I used to do it instantly, but now I've become

1043
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:14.760
people actually know me now, so it's kind of been

1044
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:19.199
getting a little bit more cool. Yeah, a little bit

1045
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:22.599
more active than I was anticipating. I never expected it

1046
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:24.880
to get to this point, but I try to get

1047
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:27.360
back to people pretty quick, you know, within a day.

1048
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:29.800
And if I if I start the conversation with you,

1049
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:32.599
I'm gonna keep it going. And I'm not gonna it's

1050
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:34.679
not gonna be a week between each messages with y'all,

1051
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:37.519
because I enjoy talking to people. Man Like, if you're

1052
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:39.199
gonna take the time to try to talk to me,

1053
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:40.599
I'm gonna do my best to take the time to

1054
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:41.920
try to talk to you about.

1055
00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:43.639
Sure, I agreed, but yeah, that's.

1056
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:44.480
Everywhere you can find me.

1057
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:47.800
All right, man, that's awesome. I appreciate you coming on.

1058
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:49.559
Thank you so much for having me on.

1059
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:52.480
This was a blessed Yeah, we'll do it again before

1060
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:53.039
you know it.

1061
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:54.039
Let's do it.

1062
00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:54.199
Man.

1063
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:55.679
You'll have to come on mind too, man.

1064
00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:58.960
We yeah, whenever you whenever you want. All right, man,

1065
00:51:59.119 --> 00:51:59.679
just let me know.

1066
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:03.559
I got bad thoughts that make my mind scared. Hold

1067
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:06.480
me hostage and they don't fight fair? Who gonna pray

1068
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:09.119
for me? And white on my tests? Who's gonna save me?

1069
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:12.039
If you're not right here? Move this darkness and make

1070
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:12.880
my sight clear.

1071
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:15.840
Take me your way, because I don't like your gost

1072
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:18.679
to my past day feeling the night are wake me up.

1073
00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:29.360
I'm trapped in my Nightmass, you trapped in my.

1074
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:43.639
Nightmas, trowning, trowning, I mouth the deepen apparition some.

1075
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:47.119
All my demons, all my thoughts, I come, making treason

1076
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:48.119
all alone.

1077
00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:51.360
I'm gonna hear me screaming matter if I stay.

1078
00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:54.679
Shits on my fists, regrets that stretched out for light years,

1079
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:56.000
you can almost touch the light.

1080
00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:59.599
Holdie, it's right there, body free, but trapped in my Nightmas.

1081
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:01.639
I don't let me jack.

1082
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:05.440
I don't life of fade, and now all my life

1083
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:09.079
is faith, all my life is face, and then.

1084
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:09.639
I was fake.

1085
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:14.480
I don't let mister. All my life is fading. All

1086
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:27.920
my life is fame enough? Like man, you check in

1087
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:28.480
my life.

1088
00:53:28.519 --> 00:54:16.159
Neessa A.