Feb. 10, 2026

John Pounders on Spiritual Warfare | What They're Hiding

John Pounders on Spiritual Warfare | What They're Hiding
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In this episode of Broadcasting Seeds, host Bennett speaks with John Pounders, a podcast host and founder of Now You See TV. They delve into Pounders' journey from addiction to faith, exploring themes of spiritual warfare, the power of the Bible, and the influence of media on spiritual awareness. The conversation emphasizes the importance of discernment in understanding spiritual matters, the impact of words and self-talk, and the church's often misunderstood relationship with the supernatural. Pounders encourages listeners to seek a deeper understanding of their faith and to embrace the transformative power of God.

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The same people.

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They're offspring that run the news channels now, that run

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all the media companies.

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Now.

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They're the offspring of the people that decided what books

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we see, the offspring of whoever burnt down Alexandria, burnt

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down many many books. They're the ones that controlled the history.

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So if they can do it in real time, deceive

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us in real time, then what's to say that they

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haven't everything that we read is not true? What's to

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say that all the villains are the good guys and

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the good guys are the villains.

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Broadcast Broadcast Sloth in the Minds of the beetle Well, folks,

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Welcome to another episode of Broadcasting Seeds podcast. Today we

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have a good guest. His name is John Pounders. John,

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tell everybody who you are, what you do, and what's

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the best place to find you.

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Yeah, I appreciate you having me on. I am a

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podcast host. I've also started the channel called now You SEETV.

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We've been around since about twenty ten and primarily it's

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more biblically related topics on now You See TV that

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we've been really like kind of like you. Our goal

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was to get people interested in the Bible because Ultimately,

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that's where people need to be because the word doesn't

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return voids. So I've been really invested in that. I

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recently just started a few months ago a channel called

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Pounder's Quest where it's not a Christian channel, but it's

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a Christian running a channel. So there's a theme there.

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Even though some of the guests I have on may

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not be Christian and they may have varieties of ideas,

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the goal is still similar is to get people interested

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in the world that they're living in and see what's

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going on around them so that they can actually have

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the veil taking off their eyes to a certain extent.

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And so that's what I've been doing.

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I've done a lot of different things over the years.

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I used to work with the record label that I

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helped found, and I was in charge of getting all

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the music copyrighted, booking stuff, and helping the artists kind

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of make their way through that. But God called me

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out of that because I believe that there's a real

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heavy hand over the top of all that that is

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kind of dark, and it's really hard to push through

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that hand, and I don't even know if it's possible.

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But God showed me that I needed to move on

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and do what I'm doing now because now I can

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do things pretty much unrestrained. I mean, obviously we have

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to self, you know, I guess, keep ourselves from saying

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certain things on here on channels because otherwise we won't

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be here anymore. But overall, like I'm not really harbored

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as much by the powers that be that are in

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that world. Not yet anyway, I think it. We're getting

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to that. But that's pretty much what I do. And

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you can find me on pounders Quest. You can type

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in pounder Squest or just type in my name and

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you should be able to find pretty much all of

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the channel both of the channels that I'm a part of.

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I have other channels too, but those are my two

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primary ones that I actually put most of my effort into.

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So yeah, that's that's pretty much tost to me. There's

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a lot a lot of other things too, But at

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the same time, like this is what I'm known for,

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that's what I what you know, this is my public face,

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I guess you could say.

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Right understand.

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And so with with that being said, what so I

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like to ask the question is that what was your

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gateway to this whole like world of you know, high strangeness,

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I mean Christians, but you know, mainstream Christianity is it

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is what it is, right, But when it comes to

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things that get weird, right, like we were talking about

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guys like Gary Wayne earlier and that the ideas of

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demons and just conspiracy type stuff and or even cryptids

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were bigfoot dog men stuff like that. What kind of

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got you headed down this road too high strangeeness to

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an extent.

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Well, I can tell you exactly what happened, because it's

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like it's one of the craziest memories that I have

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in my life. And I grew up in a church,

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you know, my whole life. My dad was a minister

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sometimes missionary to going to different places to preach, and

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also an administer administrator of a Christian school. So my

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whole life I grew up in Christian school, grew up

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in the church, even went to Bible College. After I

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fell away pretty hard for a while. I got on

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drugs and I was kind of bitter against God based

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off of a situation that it really wasn't God's fault.

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He was actually protecting me. But in my mind God

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didn't want anything to do with me because I got

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kicked out of Bible College, and I was really really

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trying to seek God out in those moments because I

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still didn't know where I stood in the world. I

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was young, and you know, a lot of hurt, a

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lot of baggage, a lot of things that I didn't

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quite understand that didn't make sense to me. And in

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that moment, I get kicked out of Bible College for

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something that was minute, something that was really ridiculous. And

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come to find out though that God was protecting me

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because the dean of students there was a predator and

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so I didn't know that at the time, but when

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I got kicked out, in my mind it was something different.

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So I kind of went down the worldly stage. Well,

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in twenty ten, I had it all come to an

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abrupt halt. I ended up in jail. I was hooked

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on a lot of drugs, mainly pharmaceutical drugs like from

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the drug companies, and I did do other drugs too,

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but none of them were quite as disparaging and problematic

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for me as the pharmaceuticals. In fact, it kept my

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mind in a fog pretty much always. I was on

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heavy levels of like depicoat at a van xanax sometimes,

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I mean usually just all the different things. Anything that

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I wanted to get I could get because my doctor

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was just like, yeah, let's do this. Subscribe. And so

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I was on drugs, man, and my mind wasn't sober.

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So when I went to jail, I went there and

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I was in there for three days, and on that

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third day that I was in there, my withdraws were

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starting to subside a little bit and my mind was

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actually starting to clearly think. And I noticed in that

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jail cell that not only in the holding cell I

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was in, but in the jail in general. I knew

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so many people in there, and they were constantly a

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revolving door. And I started to look around and realize, like,

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this is my reality from now on if I don't

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do something different. And I know that I was raised differently,

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I know that there's another way, because I saw my

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parents walk another way. They weren't addicted to drugs, they

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weren't a slave to all of the things that whatever

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their flesh wanted, and so I knew that I wanted that,

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but I didn't think God cared about me. So in

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that moment, I cried out to God. I said, if

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you care about me at all, Please show me, because

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I'll do anything. I'll serve you till the day I die.

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I'll give up everything that I wanted to do, and

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I'll do it. And within that moment, somebody came to

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the cell knocking on the door, and I got taken

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back to the detective's office. And at the time, me

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and a bunch of the people I know were being

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investigated by task force, so like a federal task force

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and local task force for drugs and different things.

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So I just assumed that I was going.

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In there to have another interview and they're going to

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try to figure things out whatever. And so I went

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down there head hung, you know, in a really depressed

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state and hopeful at the same time. And I heard

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a voice say John, and I look up and it's

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this guy that I had known before. It used to

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be in a band and he Sunny from Pods actually

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the one that led him to Christ but he was

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in this in there. He used to have long dreadlocks,

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his nose piercing, all these different things. And I see

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him like all clean cut, and he said, listen, man,

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He's like, this is very very strange, and you can

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tell me to go kick rocks or you can tell me,

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you know whatever, and this isn't you know, no certain terms,

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but basically he was.

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He was nervous to do it.

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But in his when he was sitting in his bed

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at his house and next to his wife and kids,

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and police officers don't get a lot of time with

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their family, but he said he heard a voice that

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he believes was God, that says, you need to go

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pray for John right now. And so he gets up

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out of bed, comes in there and prays for me,

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and I felt the Holy Spirit just warm me.

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Over all.

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The hairs on my body are standing up, and I

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weeped like a baby. I hadn't weep since I was

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a child, like a young child, and it changed my

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whole persona. It changed everything about me in that in

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that moment. You know that a lot of people talk

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about it's been a long road to recovery and all

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these but in that moment, God changed my heart and

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flipped everything about me. And so the drugs were a

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problem any more. Alcohol wasn't a problem anymore. Of course,

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I still as a human being, we still have our

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difficulties that we deal with, but overall, it was different

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so getting to the point where I started caring about

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these weird things. From twenty ten to twenty thirteen, every

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demonic entity that I had attached to me that I

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had no idea about, I had no idea that they

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were there, And if I would have known, it would

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have definitely switched who I was. Probably I would have

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been seeking God a little bit harder. But they didn't

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make themselves known to me.

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Well.

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As soon as I became a believer, they all started

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attacking and manifesting in different places, like I would get

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sleep paralysis and get you know, completely almost killed in

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my sleep, you know, to a certain point. In fact,

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one instance that I'll tell you about is really what

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shifted my entire research to this area. But I was

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there's a family that I have that live in Alabama,

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and they were starting to have stories like my aunt,

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she's mentally challenged, and but she's got them. She's not

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like fully like nonverbal or anything like that. She's got

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the mentality of a young child. When she was younger,

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she had a fever that caused brain damage and she

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had the mentality a child. So she was complaining and

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scared for her life because on that property and all

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my family lived on the same property over there, different houses,

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but same property. She was complaining that there was a

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giant man banging on the side of her house, saying

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that he's going to kill her, and shaking her house

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and trying to force her to come out of the house.

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And you know that that was frightening. That was something scary.

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Then my little niece was saying that at night time

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there was she would see a giant man sitting in

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the corner of the room and it was frightening her.

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At the same time, another member of my family was

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telling me that his wife woke up in the middle

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of the night and started like pointing and speaking in

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a foreign tongue that my dad understood because he used

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to take foreign languages and part of his doctorate degree

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and all of these things that he learned, and it

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was a foreign ancient language. And so in my mind,

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I'm thinking, man, this is completely crazy to me, And

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I wasn't really interested in getting involved there, But at

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the same time, I felt compelled to see what was

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going on and to hopefully be able to do something

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about it, because up to that point I had been

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casting out demons out of people that were manifesting demons

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would seek me out through people to manifest. This one situation,

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there was a girl that used to be recording artists

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and she would come to the studio and she was

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a great artist. You would never look at her and

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think this girl is demon possessed. Well, this is years later,

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we're talking when I was in that studio, working in

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that studio. That would have been around two thousand and five,

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two thousand and six, somewhere in that range. And now

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two thousand and ten comes along twenty ten or late

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twenty ten, early twenty eleven, and a friend of mine

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calls me up and he says, listen, dude, I was

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sitting in the room with my girlfriend and this this

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girl that we're talking about was his girlfriend. He said,

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the room went dark, like completely dark, and her voice

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changed into the shit into like a monster's voice, and

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said that I want to go see John Pounders. And

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I was at a coffee shop with my friends. They

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owned the coffee shop. We were there late hours and

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and I'm like, man, you know her, bring her in here.

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You know all my friends are here. We're going to

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do this. And so that demon manifested there and then

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the same demon would manifest in random places.

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I would go.

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I went to this church one time, and we went

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to this church because I was working with the guy

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in lawn care. And there was this guy on the

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side of the street with a red, red outfit cross

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with like fake blood all over it, and he was

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just sitting out there in the street holding this cross,

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and so we stopped by because I was intrigued, and

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so was the guy I was working with, and he said, yeah,

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I'm preaching right over here at this little church here.

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And this this Boonville, Indiana, a real small town. He said,

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I'm preaching over here in this little church and we're

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doing a revival type thing. I would love it if

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you guys came. And so we talked about it and said, well,

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let's get all our stuff done here in Boomville and

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then we'll come here and check it out if you

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guys are down.

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So we did.

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As soon as we went in there there was growling

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going on, and up in the front there was this

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young girl. She was a little little girl, I would say,

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probably young teenager and just manifesting like crazy, and everybody's

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you know, hands on her, praying over and she turns

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at arch back turns over to me as soon as

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I walk in the door and says, I've been waiting

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for you, and so anyways, I in my mind, I'm like, Okay,

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I don't know why, but I'm gonna go up there,

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laid hands cast the demon out, and then she goes

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on to tell a story about how she was getting

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ready to get an abortion, but something told her to

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come in to this church. So I started seeing these

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weird things that I had never seen in my life

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start manifesting. And the night that I was at this house,

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because I had went there, I was attacked in my

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sleep to the point that I think that I actually

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left my body and died. I mean, I felt a

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giant force come down on me, as if they elbow

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dropped me right in the chest and stayed on me

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to where I couldn't I couldn't breathe. I could fill it,

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I could even sense it. I could even see the mist,

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but I could not breathe, and I couldn't say anything.

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I couldn't even like whisper anything.

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And so my spirit, this is what I'm perceiving, leaves

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my body.

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I mean, I'm going up through the roof and I'm

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I'm really actually kind of thankful. I'm like, none of

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the cares of the world matter anymore.

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I felt really good. I'm like, oh yeah, this is it.

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And then down in my body and in that moment,

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I started getting this electrical shock to the back of

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my head. I sensed that there's entities there, and I

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don't know exactly what to do, so in my desperation,

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I scream out, you know. And when I say scream out,

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inside of me, I scream out, You're sure yelling you know,

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every name that I could think of that would get attention,

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the attention of this entities or God. And as soon

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as that happened, the attack on my physical body stop.

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The lights in the room were continually flashing, and I

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got down on the floor because I was in such

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pain from being elbow dropped in the chest, and crawled

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into the other room. And when I got to the

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other room, I turned around and looked back inside the room,

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and behind me were entities of some sort that were

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very very bright, like I'm talking about, like so bright

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that I didn't want to look back. I was nervous

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about what I was encountering, and they were telling me

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to come with them. Come with me, Come with me.

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And I said, in this dream, or said in this

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state whatever, I don't know what to call it, It wasn't

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a dream because I was actually on the floor and

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I actually in the other room when all this happened,

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and when everything stopped so more of a experience, I said,

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I don't want to leave my wife here with whatever

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is in this room. And then everything back to normal,

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and that situation right there. There's a lot in that

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whole timing period. But I ended up going and praying

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over the property, praying over the household and all of that,

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and from then on the experiences for them had stopped.

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But I started to realize that there's a lot more

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to this world than I've been taught, a lot more

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than meets the eye.

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And so I picked up.

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The Bible, of course, and started reading it all the

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way through, and I got to Genesis six. I realized

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that there were giants in the world, and there were

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spirits that were manifest through fallen angels, you know, they

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were children of these fallen angels. And I picked up

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the Book of Enoch, and I remember the first time

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I read the Book of Enoch, and I know a

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lot of people don't like the Book of Unoc some do,

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but it.

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Gave me a spiritual education.

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I would say on the world that we live in.

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I mean, I was like, this makes total sense. This

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is I totally understand now why the world is the

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way it is is because we're not you know, the

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Bible tells you too, but it's we're we're not in

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charge here anymore, right, There's principalities, powers, rulers, and so

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that really stuck me down the path of doing the research,

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and I couldn't. I can't still to this day. I'm

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doing the research. But also I know what I'm looking at.

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I know what's going on here, at least in my mind.

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This is what I know.

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And I say, when you say we know, we obviously

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we don't know anything. Really, we only know what we're told.

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We only know what we're able to believe. But I

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really that there are stuff out there that I don't

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quite understand. Still, but at the same time I do

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when I read the Bible and the Word, if those

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things are true, then I totally understand what's going on.

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And so I've been making it at my goal to

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help expose that to people because I do believe that

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it is a lure that helps people understand the world,

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because it was a lure for me. It was a

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lure for a lot of people. I mean, we've we've

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you know, reached thousands of people with the truth of

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the word because of that subject. So that's kind of

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what got me started on that.

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It's amazing.

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I agree with the Book of Enoch as I guess

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the three big things for me that have changed the

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way the lens that I see things through are the

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Book of Enoch, Psalms eighty two and Deuteronomy thirty two.

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Those those three things have been the biggest because they

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change the way you view things.

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They just do.

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And I love that you bring up the point that, uh,

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I mean you so is it nice TV? Is that

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what you call it?

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No, Now, it's just supposed to be now you see TV.

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So now you see nys TV is an acronym for

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for nys TV, but it's actually now you see TV.

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Now now you see TV. I just didn't want to

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call it by the wrong And I mean it covers

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a lot of.

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Ground, right, Uh.

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I mean I've watched plenty of your interviews and stuff

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on that from the Book of enoch to secret societies

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to supernatural encounters. So like, you've been doing this quite

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a while, and when you first launched the platform, like

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what need or gap did you feel wasn't being filled?

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Like in mainstream Christian or alternative media.

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I think almost every single one I originally had, originally

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had a show called Relationship eleven that I had on

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local television where I would interview people about their testimonies.

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I realized this, there wasn't a lot of that out there.

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There's there's a little bit and if like in TBN,

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you know, they have stuff like that, but of course

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it's a lot of times a very twisted reality of

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what things are. I just did that platform itself, but

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there were other things too. I in twenty ten, when

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I started, you didn't have people like Gary Wayne. You

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didn't have people that I knew of anyway. There were

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maybe there were some pastors that were preaching on this,

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but you didn't even hear about them until later on

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in the YouTube years, because they weren't you know, on YouTube,

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they were just local pastors that were talking about these things.

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And then people like Rob Skiva started popping up, and

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people like Gary Wayne and Gary Wayne, I was actually

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the second person to be to interview Gary Wayne ever

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back in I think it was twenty fifteen, and I

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had them at a conference in twenty sixteen. But there

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was none of that really and my SkyWatch was doing it,

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and you know, Russ Dizdar was out there doing it.

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There were people doing it, but not very many at

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that time. I don't even know if any and I

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just felt like my gift. I didn't know anything about

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the media world. I knew all I knew well, when

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I say media world, I knew a lot about the

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music industry. I knew a lot about how to be

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successful in the music industry, and that you know, kind

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of carried over. But I didn't know anything about cameras

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or anything. I had a little radio shack camera, radio shack,

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mic crappy stuff. I don't think you could go live

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back on YouTube back then. It was kind of like

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a wild West. Yeah, And so I was like, well,

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I'm going to figure this out because this seems like

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the best platform that I can actually get these words

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out on and get this out. And I didn't even

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know what to say at the time, but I knew

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that there were other people out there that did and

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so I would seek those people out, these authors of

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books that never did any radio interviews, and I started

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interviewing them, and so like, that's really the gap that

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I saw that wasn't wasn't there. Of course, there were

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people who got interviewed, but it's always a there's always

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like a good old Boys Club and all these things. Right,

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there's the people that are only on their they only

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have each other on that's all they do, and they

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might go on other shows, but ultimately they stick with

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their click. But the problem is most of the good

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authors and brilliant people aren't part of that click. It's

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it's crazy, you know. Some of the best interviews that

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I've ever done were people that were outside of those clicks.

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And I do interview people inside the clicks, and I

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still respect their information, of course, and I understand that

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they are making a sacrifice of some sort.

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I get that. I get it.

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I get it because I know how the industry works,

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and they, you know, anything could happen to where they

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get sucked in to those things. But ultimately, I wanted

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to be a voice for the people outside the good

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old Boys Club, and I wanted to bring them in

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and have them give them the ability to say things

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and do things and let people know about their research.

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Because the people that are in the good old Boys club,

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that's just for lack of a better term, they are

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very guarded on what they say, and sometimes rightfully so,

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but they're also there's a piece missing, and I believe

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that that piece that was missing is the idea that

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the entire Bible is good for us to learn from

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and good for us to practice, and that dispensationalism has

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been kind of exposed, in my opinion, as we exposed

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it a long time ago talking about Darby and Schofield

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their associations, and how that the doctrines that we have

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today in the church are not the same as the

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church fathers, is not the same even close. None of

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the Church father even the Antony scene, they were completely

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different than what the churches today. And so I realized

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that even though people are like, well, you're talking about

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something that we haven't been taught before, Well, what you've

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been taught before is only one hundred years old. It's

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not very old. It's like, you know, nineteen hundreds, literally

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like nineteen hundreds. So the truth of the matter goes

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back to the ancient path, and I realized that was

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a piece that was desperately missing. And man, I mean

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that that took a turn of its own right there,

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00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:34.640
just that piece, just adding that to the whole story

473
00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:37.039
of our origins.

474
00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:45.960
Absolutely, And one of those themes in your work, that recurring, recurring, recurring,

475
00:24:47.079 --> 00:24:51.960
mine as well, it's spiritual warfare, right, So how do

476
00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:56.759
you define spiritual warfare in a way that makes I

477
00:24:56.759 --> 00:24:59.000
guess the best way to say it is a way

478
00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:04.119
that makes sense to people living normal, everyday lives. Yeah,

479
00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:06.119
or somebody that's been doing this quite a while. I

480
00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:08.519
feel like you've hashed a lot of this out.

481
00:25:09.559 --> 00:25:09.759
Yeah.

482
00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:12.000
I think that I've had to too, because of the

483
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:14.720
nature of what we do. There's going to be attacks,

484
00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:17.119
there's going to be people putting curses on you. You

485
00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:19.160
won't even know they're there to putting curses on you.

486
00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:22.279
Even at one time there was an entire coven openly

487
00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:24.960
telling us they're putting curses on us, and they're doing

488
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:29.799
it for a specific period of time. And so the

489
00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:33.839
way I look at spiritual warfare is I used to

490
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:36.279
look at it as everything is spiritual warfare. Like if

491
00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:39.519
I spilt coffee on my leg, I have gone through

492
00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:42.480
spiritual warfare today, rebuked that cup of coffee whatever, you know,

493
00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:46.880
just crazy kind of like ideas like every bad thing

494
00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:49.640
that happens is spiritual warfare. But I realized that that's

495
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:53.920
just ridiculous, And yes, something's bad happens because we make

496
00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:56.000
a mistake. We didn't hold our coffee right, or we

497
00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:58.839
didn't or we said something we shouldn't have done, or

498
00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:01.079
we you know, whatever, whatever it is.

499
00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:03.839
And so I find that really funny because I was

500
00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:06.960
there too, Manne, that's like you're like, oh my gosh,

501
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:09.720
oh my gosh, especially with my children anyway.

502
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:12.960
Yeah, and so I started to realize that, you know,

503
00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:15.720
maybe what I called spiritual warfare isn't. But then I

504
00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:18.880
started to see that there is actual spiritual warfare because

505
00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:23.400
we everything that interaction that we have with enemies, with

506
00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.400
people who are trying to fight against us, there is

507
00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:31.079
a spiritual ground that has to I believe, has to

508
00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:34.039
manifest into the physical. Like, so the spiritual side of

509
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.640
what they got going on is manifesting physically and harming

510
00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.279
other people, right, they'll do that. Whatever demons driving them

511
00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:44.880
to create a curse against you, whatever demons driving them

512
00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:48.319
to gossip against you, or to slander you. There's a

513
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:51.559
spiritual side to those things, and we'd realize that our

514
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:56.440
government in general all over the world isn't physical. And

515
00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.359
that's something that I can't stress enough. People always are like, well,

516
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:02.599
this person's a good person. That person's a good person.

517
00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:05.000
But if you really look at what the Bible is

518
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:07.960
saying the structure of these entities, like in Ephesian six,

519
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:12.279
it is principalities, powers, rulers, darkness, spiritual, wickedness, and high

520
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:16.160
places that is actually ruling our country. And yes, there

521
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:21.920
are human puppets that are used being used to manifest

522
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:24.880
all these things, but it's spiritual. And I realize too

523
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.079
that there's a lot of hokey stuff about how do

524
00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:30.680
you do spiritual warfare? Like let me give you like

525
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:33.839
ten guided prayers, and you read these prayers over and

526
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:36.200
over again, which is completely unbiblical.

527
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:38.880
What is biblical is.

528
00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:42.400
Knowing that if you are obedient to God, that there

529
00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:45.359
can be no curse against you. There's several scriptures that

530
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.000
point to that. There's no curse against Israel. A curse

531
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:51.839
that is spoken against an undeserved falls flat. All of

532
00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:55.319
these scriptures that point to those things. So if we

533
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:58.039
are able to actually walk in the power of God

534
00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:02.680
in his authority and obeal obedient and not like openly

535
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:06.119
bring sin on into our lives, then you don't have

536
00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:12.640
to worry about demonic entities attacking you ys spiritually or

537
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:15.039
any of those things. And if they do, it's it's

538
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:17.960
your time, right Like Peter John the Baptist, all of

539
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:20.839
those people were martyred for their beliefs, and that could happen,

540
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:24.119
but the spiritual warfare aspect of it. You know, if

541
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:30.039
you're being tantalized by demons or tantalized by these spiritual

542
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:33.599
wicked rulers that are ultimately under the control of God,

543
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:39.039
then it's because nine times out of ten, because there

544
00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:41.119
is an open door in your life a sin that

545
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:44.279
you haven't been willing to let go of or that

546
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:46.839
even rules your life. And most of the time, we

547
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:49.000
all have sins that we have committed that we don't

548
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.200
even think about. Sometimes, you know, we we do things

549
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:54.720
that are bad for us. You know, you're just eating

550
00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:57.160
bad foods like it and getting a McDonald's burger like

551
00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:00.519
that that could be considered very detrimental to your health.

552
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:02.759
But yet you know, there's times when it's like Okay,

553
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:05.039
I'm hungry, I'm gonna eat these things, or you know,

554
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:07.279
you might act out of sorts because of you know

555
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:09.680
this reason or that reason. We all are none of

556
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:13.480
us are perfect. But ultimately there's a difference between messing

557
00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:17.559
up and taking a sin and holding onto it so

558
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:20.039
dearly that you don't want to let it go. And

559
00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:23.200
I think the root of most people's spiritual warfare is

560
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:27.319
that there's also the idea, like in Job to where

561
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:31.359
God allows this to happen to you, and that's the

562
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:33.759
case for people as well. I believe that that is

563
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:36.279
a trial time for them. It's really hard because you

564
00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:39.880
go through things and you don't understand what you're going through,

565
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:41.839
but you know God's sovereign and you know that in

566
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:44.720
the end he'll restore what you lost. And that's the

567
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:46.160
story of Job helps tell us that.

568
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:49.119
But not everybody is Job. Most people aren't Job.

569
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:53.599
Job was a man that was the everybody loved him

570
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:57.880
because he took care of everybody. He was known as

571
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:00.799
a bright, shining light in his communit. So he was

572
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:02.960
somebody that didn't want to deny God. God put a

573
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:06.039
bubble around him, and Satan asked for that bubble to

574
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:08.559
be released. I'm not saying you can't create a bubble

575
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:10.920
around you. You might not be able to create a

576
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:13.160
God can put a bubble. But I think being obedient

577
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:15.839
doing what He asked us to do, like helping the widow.

578
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:19.319
That's one thing that the widows rejoiced at job he

579
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:23.319
helped them because God said he's the husband to the widow,

580
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:27.160
father of the fatherless. The orphans were rejoicing after Joe

581
00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:29.759
because he helped them, and so God said, this guy's

582
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:32.759
my hands and feet bubble. You know, that's in my mind,

583
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:35.519
that's what happened. So I think that we can create

584
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:40.200
this situation where God finds us valuable on earth to

585
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:42.559
do these things like in Matthew. I think it's twenty

586
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.920
four twenty five where he says he separates the sheet

587
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.319
from the goats, and there'll be all these people on

588
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:51.200
the goat's side that say, we've cast out demons, we've

589
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:54.000
moved big crowds, We've done all these things in your name.

590
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:56.920
And he said, depart from me. I didn't know you.

591
00:30:57.559 --> 00:30:59.720
And then the other people, he said, you fed me

592
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:01.720
when I was hungry, you clothed me when I didn't

593
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:04.359
have clothes. You visited me in jail. You did all

594
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:07.079
of these things, and they're like, when did we do that?

595
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:09.319
And he said, when you did for the least of these,

596
00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:11.720
you've done it for me. And so those things right

597
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:14.480
there make us the hands and feet of God. We

598
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:18.920
often equate people who can speak really, really fluently and

599
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.519
they they're able to move big crowds. We equate that

600
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.119
with holiness and with God's protection. But that's really not

601
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:30.960
what the word says. There's people out there that will

602
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:34.240
never know me and you personally or probably any of

603
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.920
our audience, that are probably in much better standing with

604
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.079
God than me or you or anybody. I mean, because

605
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:43.400
they are being the hands and feet. They're willing to

606
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:46.119
be humble and take it and do that, and we're

607
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:47.799
trying like it was what we want to do.

608
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:48.839
But they're there.

609
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:51.519
Most of the people that are out there, you know,

610
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.160
being the hands and feet of God are There's not

611
00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:55.920
that many. I don't think, you know, it's not like

612
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:58.039
a ton of people. There are people that help, you know,

613
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:00.359
the poor, and do stuff like that, but there's usually

614
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:03.559
attacks right off associated with it, and they're doing it

615
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:04.960
so they don't have to go over there. I don't

616
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:08.960
know how many people will donate to helping starving children

617
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:11.359
in Uganda, but how many people will actually go there

618
00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:13.880
bringing food Because I'll tell you right now that most

619
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:17.119
of these organizations that are collecting money, they are not

620
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:19.839
collecting money for the right reasons. And in fact, most

621
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:22.519
of the money, up to ninety nine percent of it

622
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:25.000
goes right back in the pockets of the organization. So

623
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:28.359
you know, anyways, that's kind of where what I believe

624
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:30.640
on that awesome.

625
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:38.079
So do you think, like the church at large underestimates

626
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:44.359
or misunderstands might be a better word, the supernatural realm

627
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:46.000
described in scripture.

628
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:53.640
I'd say mostly yes, there are some denominations out there

629
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:58.920
that are in tune more with the spiritual realm. However,

630
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:01.680
some of the ways that they go about it lead

631
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:04.079
me to believe that there might be another spirit involved

632
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:04.839
in some of them.

633
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:06.240
I've been to.

634
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:09.400
I have been to fellowships and stuff where the spiritual

635
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:15.400
is taking account for and that people do walk in

636
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:19.319
the fruits of the spirit. Not everybody. No, anytime you

637
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:21.839
add more than one or two people, you're gonna have issues.

638
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:26.440
But there are some people that do believe that. But yes, overall,

639
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:31.960
because of because of dispensationalism. We're in a different dispensation now, right.

640
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:34.720
The Holy Spirit doesn't operate the way it did it before,

641
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:40.359
according to them, So no, yeah, most people don't operate

642
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:42.720
in that way or don't even think about those things.

643
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:46.720
And when they're met head on with it, they tend

644
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:50.200
to mock it, or they tend to leave people to

645
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:54.920
the wayside. They need deliverance or they need healing. Healing

646
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.759
is very real. I've been There's been at least two

647
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:01.519
situations that I know, oh for sure, that God healed

648
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:04.599
the people that I prayed for. Both were stage four cancer.

649
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:07.279
They go to the doctor, nothing there, right, So the

650
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.360
God still does these things and demons are still cast out.

651
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:14.519
I know that because I've experienced it. I think, though,

652
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:17.679
that even though people have suppressed that side of them,

653
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:22.800
they will have no choice but to take it and

654
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:25.400
look at it and examine it, because I think that

655
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:30.679
the manifestation of evil spirits and supernatural things is coming

656
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:32.760
to a point to where it's going to be so

657
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:34.280
big that nobody can deny it.

658
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:38.559
People might be deceived by itaive reaction to it as well.

659
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.199
So yeah, and they might be deceived by it. They

660
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:44.239
might be deceived by what they're seeing, because we know

661
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:46.719
that even the elect will be deceived if it's possible,

662
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:50.199
according to the Bible, because there's a great deception coming,

663
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:54.639
and I think that it's the great deception may already

664
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:58.519
be here. And if it is, it's going to be

665
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.880
very hard to put our finger on what it actually is.

666
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:06.079
But being a person who's studied history, even when I

667
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.719
was in school, that was one of the classes that

668
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:14.400
I minored in was history, and I had a real

669
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:17.559
liking for My dad was a history teacher as well.

670
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:21.400
And then when I started to realize that I can't

671
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:23.360
trust any of that, and once I started to see

672
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:26.519
holes and flaws, and I started to realize that the

673
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:30.519
same people their offspring that run the news channels now,

674
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:33.800
that run all the media companies. Now, they're the offspring

675
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:38.000
of the people that decided what books we see, the

676
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:42.440
offspring of whoever burnt down Alexandria, burnt down many many books.

677
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:45.719
They're the ones that controlled the history. So if they

678
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:48.840
can do it in real time, deceive us in real time,

679
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:52.039
then what's to say that they haven't everything that we

680
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:54.199
reads not true? What's to say that all the villains

681
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:56.119
are the good guys and the good guys are the villains,

682
00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:59.239
And so I had to kind of take that and

683
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:03.519
realize that we are under a big deception. There's no

684
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:06.920
way to know exactly what time period we're in because

685
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:10.440
in order to know that, you would have to know

686
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:14.400
for sure what's happened over the last thousand years. But

687
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:16.320
there's no way to know for sure what's happened over

688
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:17.239
the last thousand years.

689
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:19.320
That's the problem. So we don't know.

690
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.000
And I know there's a lot of dogmatic people about,

691
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:24.559
you know, eschatology and different things like that, but the

692
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:27.320
truth is like, if you think you know, you don't know.

693
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:29.679
You don't know what you ought to know. You unless

694
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:32.199
you've been around for a thousand years, you have no idea.

695
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:37.599
Yeah, that's one of the themes of my show basically

696
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:38.719
is that we don't know shit.

697
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:40.960
Yeah, we don't know. We really don't.

698
00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:43.400
And at the end of the day, that's what it

699
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.679
really comes down to is we might think that we know,

700
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.760
and we kind of our personal experience definitely helps guide that.

701
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:52.679
But like today, just for an example, it's like we

702
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:57.320
talk about spiritual warfare, but we talk about even the

703
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:01.320
little things that happen, especially with the show, and I

704
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:05.639
found that as this has progressed things that I've opened

705
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:07.679
up to certain things, and.

706
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:15.199
There's a tax on the show even this morning.

707
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:17.920
Now we can look at it and we can come

708
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:20.360
up with a with a reason for it, right with

709
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:24.519
our technical difficulties that we had at the beginning. But

710
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:28.480
bear with me for one second. It's like I have

711
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:33.039
a prayer that I say before every single show. When

712
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:39.079
I haven't said said prayer, there's almost inevitably a technical

713
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:42.239
difficulty and I can't think of a time that there

714
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:47.480
hasn't been. And this started a few months ago, and

715
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:51.880
I say a few almost a year ago, and while

716
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:56.920
you had pulled off and rebooted your system, I said

717
00:37:56.920 --> 00:38:00.760
the prayer and everything worked. Now I'm not saying it

718
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:03.119
was the prayer per se, but I mean you could.

719
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:04.320
I think it is.

720
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.039
I think. I mean, I've never had that happen before.

721
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.280
I've been on the riverside and Zoom many times and

722
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:12.039
I've never had that prompt up.

723
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:14.280
Yeah, so it's weird.

724
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.440
Yeah, well yeah, I mean, if you think about the

725
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:22.320
nature of demonic entities this, it would it makes a

726
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.199
lot of sense because the prints and the power of

727
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:27.719
the air when you think about what the air is.

728
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:30.559
This is the ether that they pull from. This is

729
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:35.119
the electric universe that we're talking about here. When you

730
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:38.159
talk about archangel there's no to me. It doesn't surprise

731
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:42.320
me that the word arc in electricity is there. When

732
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:46.840
ghost hunters go out, they sense electricity on their on

733
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:51.039
their machines. Things get colder, and we know that electricity

734
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:57.679
operates more fluently in in colder temperatures. Yeah, and when

735
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.760
Jesus saw Satan, he said, I saw Satan like lightning

736
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:04.519
falling from heaven. One of the first electrical companies was

737
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:08.760
like a Nefhelum Electric company. I mean, there's something to that.

738
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:14.320
And definitely they are all in these systems, especially with

739
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.880
the new systems that they have, the new technologies. If

740
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:21.760
they can manifest because of a little Wiji board, then

741
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:26.159
imagine the manifestations that can take place in this computer

742
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:29.679
or in our house. And by the grace of God,

743
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:36.159
some of us are kept from being haunted consistently by

744
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:39.079
these entities because we could be haunted by these things

745
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:41.119
all the time because of the power that they have

746
00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:44.639
to travel through space and time differently than we do.

747
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:48.639
But yeah, definitely, stuff like that, I mean I've had

748
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:50.880
stuff like that too, where there's just show just shuts down,

749
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:54.679
no reason for it. The Internet's running great, the systems

750
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:56.760
are running great, the software is running great. You look

751
00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:59.119
at the back end, there's no error codes, there's nothing

752
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:00.639
but done.

753
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:04.960
You know, ninety nine percent uploading like but all of

754
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:07.360
a sudden out of nowhere. And a lot of times

755
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:11.679
it's when you're talking about certain things. It's also for me,

756
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:13.000
it's certain guests.

757
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:17.960
Yeah, so it's it's wild. Yeah, but that just happened

758
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:19.000
today again, guys.

759
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:21.639
So it's crazy. Man.

760
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:24.320
I think that the words that we put out here,

761
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.400
people don't understand how powerful their words are. Even if

762
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:31.360
you don't think your words are powerful, I do believe this,

763
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:33.000
and this is a lot of people have given me

764
00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:35.079
flak for saying this, but I know it to be

765
00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:40.159
true in my own life. You what you speak in

766
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:42.480
the Bible, it says this to but what you speak

767
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:44.960
ends up manifesting in front of you. So if you

768
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:48.440
speak blessings consistently on your own life and on other

769
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:51.880
people's life, then what you your environment around you changes,

770
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:57.400
not in a weird, hinky way, but because our voices

771
00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:00.400
do have power, we have been given to give of

772
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:02.679
having a tongue, and it can be a curse as well.

773
00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:05.480
The Bible talks about if you could control your tongue,

774
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.440
you could be perfect. It says that life and death

775
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:10.320
are in the power of the tongue, and those who

776
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:14.639
love it eat thereof. And I can say from personal

777
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:18.079
experience that my life is a manifestation of my words.

778
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:21.719
And there are times when I've said negative things, and

779
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:24.039
so therefore I believe that my life could be much

780
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:26.480
better had I not never said negative things, had I

781
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:30.599
never cursed my surroundings or cursed things, not to trying to,

782
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:33.400
but because of the words that I have. You know,

783
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:35.679
and here's an easy way to look at it that's

784
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:36.800
not hinky or weird.

785
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:40.039
But you're married, right, yeap.

786
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:43.679
So when you speak good things to your wife, blessings

787
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:46.519
on your wife, and say positive things about her, and

788
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:49.480
you speak to her in a way that makes her

789
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:53.400
feel uplifted, then she is going to be uplifted and

790
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:56.960
she's going to give back that tenfold because she's going

791
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:01.119
to feel that she is appreciated, that she is doing

792
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:05.199
her job that she's meant here to do. But if

793
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:07.320
you curse her and say you're just a bad woman.

794
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.800
You're a bad wife, you're a bad mother, You're all

795
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:12.960
of these things. It brings her down and it starts

796
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:16.320
to those words you put into her start to manifest

797
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:19.840
because she thinks, well, if my husband thinks I'm a

798
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.239
bad wife or whatever, then maybe I can't do anything

799
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.559
to please them. There's nothing I can do. And that's

800
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:26.599
just one instance. But it's the same with your children.

801
00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:28.960
It's the same with even there's studies where you talk

802
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.519
to a plant and I don't know if you saw

803
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:33.480
that study where the kids talk to one plan.

804
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:34.239
Yeah, it's real.

805
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:38.519
So it matters so much how we speak, and so

806
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:44.599
the entities that are in charge. There's certain people that

807
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:50.880
understand these principles of the mouth and can love the

808
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:52.920
fruit of it. They try to love the fruit, and

809
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:55.599
that they don't want that to happen. That being spoke

810
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:58.840
out into the atmosphere puts a damper on what they

811
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:00.800
may be trying to do and somebody else's life.

812
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:01.559
Yeah.

813
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:05.320
I just did an episode on Isaac and I always

814
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:08.960
think of the cleansing right with the rock.

815
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:13.639
Yeah, anyway, and then Ezekiel, he's like, I'm a man

816
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:15.000
of unclean lips, you.

817
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:20.320
Know, And they talk about to both. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah.

818
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:24.039
The episode I did is Isaac and Ezekiel so very cool.

819
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:25.719
I have to check that out, man. I love that.

820
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:27.800
I love those studies like that where you really look

821
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:29.800
at stuff for what it is instead of just kind

822
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:30.679
of skimming over it.

823
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:32.199
Oh yeah, for sure.

824
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:35.840
The other just to put this out there too, is

825
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:38.800
you know, we talk about how we are with and

826
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:41.400
what we say to others. But I think the thing

827
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:48.440
that changed my life so much, you know, since i've

828
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:53.320
later in life, is the way you talk to yourself. Yeah,

829
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:55.719
it matters. Probably it's more important than the way you

830
00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:58.519
talk to other people. And if you wouldn't say it

831
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.960
to your wife or your loved ones, why would you

832
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:02.840
say it to yourself.

833
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:06.760
Absolutely, we can be our own worst enemy in that way.

834
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:09.199
Absolutely, and it matters for sure.

835
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:13.000
So it doesn't matter. I used to be very harsh

836
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:17.480
with myself because of I would say, I mean there's

837
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:20.679
a lot of reasons. I mean, I had guilt of

838
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:25.159
past things, I had hurt that I would feel, and

839
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:27.559
I grew up in a you know, a different kind

840
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:31.679
of household, and I would be punished sometimes for things

841
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:33.480
I didn't even do, you know, I would be yelled

842
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:36.960
at or talk down to quite often, and so that

843
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:39.880
same voice was evident in my own life where I

844
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:41.519
would be like, you're such an idiot, dude, what are

845
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:45.679
you doing? Like, you know, real hard on myself, And yeah,

846
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:48.480
it has to You're right, you have to start with yourself,

847
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:50.280
because if you're talking to yourself that way, you're going

848
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:52.360
to talk to other people that way, your children that way,

849
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:54.880
your wife that way, and it's going to manifest in

850
00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:57.159
a bad way. And so we definitely, if we've done it,

851
00:44:57.239 --> 00:44:59.079
you know, we need to pray against it and ask

852
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.480
God to let those versus fall on, fall on the ground,

853
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:05.599
not go forth and apologize to the people that we've heard,

854
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:09.039
even ourselves, like, think, give yourself a little bit of grace.

855
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:12.719
We're human, we're imperfect, we don't know much.

856
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:16.800
And we're subject to all of the curses that have

857
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:18.400
been passed down.

858
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:22.559
Yeah, it's the it's the put the oxygen mask on

859
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:26.920
yourself before you help others idea right, And everybody that's

860
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:32.239
ever flown knows that. So you've done quite a bit

861
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:34.559
of work with the Book of Enoch. On the Book

862
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:40.280
of Enoch, what do you think people misunderstand most about

863
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:46.480
Enoch and and other extra canonical writings.

864
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:51.159
Well, I think that we all tend to have a

865
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:55.519
bias on things based on maybe what we've been taught,

866
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:57.800
or maybe there's like one piece of information that we

867
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:02.280
found that just we it sticks with us that we

868
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:04.400
can't really shake. And the Book of Enoch is an

869
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:09.119
interesting book because there are things about the Book of

870
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:11.199
Enoch that you have to think about, like the Noah

871
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:14.320
fragments were added to the Book of Enoch. There were

872
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:17.519
fragments that were added that aren't necessarily a part of

873
00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:20.440
the original Book of Enoch, and so we have to

874
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:25.159
you know, being knowledgeable about those things is great. But

875
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:34.679
understanding that Enoch was spoken about by James Enoch prophesied saying,

876
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:39.159
and that there were people that were church fathers that

877
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:41.480
had a copy of the Book of Enoch. So it

878
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.039
wasn't like it disappeared for a long period of time.

879
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:48.199
Certain people had it. There was a discovery by a

880
00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:52.400
knights templar in Ethiopia that brought it in from the

881
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:54.800
English language, and that right there it gives a lot

882
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:57.119
of people pauses, like, oh, if a Night's templar brought

883
00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:59.400
it in, then it's got to be bad, but you

884
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:02.280
can read that like Eusebius and other church fathers actually

885
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:04.840
used the Book of Enock in their sermons and in

886
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:08.360
what they taught, So it's not like it was never

887
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:10.440
there and it's just a false thing to have a

888
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:12.440
Book of Enoch. And I know there are people out

889
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:16.079
there trying to say that, and yeah, they're going to

890
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:20.119
be flaws in it because we don't have the original copy,

891
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:23.079
but you can tell. I think I can tell when

892
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:25.320
I read it, I'm like, this is like, this is

893
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:28.840
biblical because I can go and cross reference the biblical

894
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:32.840
version of that. And so even if some of these

895
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:36.320
prophecies in Enoch are written after the fact, even if

896
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:38.960
that's the case, which I believe some of them may be,

897
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:44.119
some of them aren't, they still tell the biblical narrative

898
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:46.679
and they can still be looked at as a historical

899
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:50.880
document about what people believed at the time that this

900
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:54.480
stuff was written. The same goes for Jasher, Jubileese, etc.

901
00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:58.800
Do we have the power to say this is scripture

902
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:01.639
or this isn't. I don't think we do. I don't

903
00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:04.119
even think that. Maybe some of the people that made

904
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:07.400
the cannon did, but I think that we need to

905
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:09.719
be whatever we're reading, we need to ask the Holy

906
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:12.440
Spirit to guide us into the truth of the matter.

907
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:16.000
And so some of these books, yes, they're gonna be

908
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:19.480
complete fabrications that were maybe done one hundred years ago.

909
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:23.119
For instance, like the Secret what is it called the

910
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:26.360
Gospel of Piece be a scene Gospel of Piece, something

911
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:29.239
that isn't old, but yet people are trying to pass

912
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.119
it off as old, and it doesn't really line up

913
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:36.239
with anything that the Dead Sea Scrolls had to say.

914
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:39.639
It's more of a fabrication of something else, like the

915
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:43.679
people and the scenes that were If you believe that

916
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:45.920
these scenes were the people that had the Dead Seas grows,

917
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:48.320
they weren't talking about all those stuff. They didn't tell

918
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:50.440
you to get saved you had to put an enema

919
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.880
in your butt and hang from a tree while you're

920
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:55.039
doing it like that. But that's in the Gospel of Piece,

921
00:48:55.079 --> 00:49:02.519
you know. So like there's weird things. It's like, okay, yeah, exactly.

922
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:04.440
So that's where I'm at on that, Like, I don't

923
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:06.559
think we should be afraid to read anything, but I

924
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:10.320
think we should be very very careful to ask God

925
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:12.000
to help lead us into the truth. And I think

926
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:14.920
we should probably use the word of God as a

927
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:19.480
template to understand that, and especially the teachings of Jesus.

928
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:23.239
Out of all of the whole Bible, it was constantly

929
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:27.239
pointing to this one who would come that would teach

930
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:29.280
us and guide us and show us the way, and

931
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:34.159
we were supposed to listen to and obey him. The

932
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:36.519
Hebrew word for that shamal, And the Jews have a

933
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:40.039
shamal prayer in the Old Testament. There's a shamal prayer

934
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:44.480
about God keeping us and guiding us. But there's one

935
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:46.480
that would come that we must listen to and obey.

936
00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:49.679
And he was that one that came, and he makes

937
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:52.800
sense of the entire Bible. I used to think that

938
00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:57.079
the Torah is the most important part of the Bible,

939
00:49:57.960 --> 00:49:59.639
and I think it is important for history, and it's

940
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:04.400
important and for us to understand the Gospels of Jesus.

941
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.239
I think that when Jesus came, I think that you

942
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:09.360
could read the Gospels and be fine. There's nothing else

943
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:11.440
you would have to read in order to be a believer. Now,

944
00:50:11.480 --> 00:50:13.559
I think that we are destroyed for lack of knowledge,

945
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:16.679
and there's many sins we could fall into if we

946
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:20.039
don't read the tour that we might be persecuted for

947
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:22.719
or we might have warfare for. So I think it's

948
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:24.320
important to read the rest of it so we can

949
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:28.400
define what Jesus was talking about. What does sin sins?

950
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:31.880
The transgression of the law is defined in First John.

951
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:35.400
But we have to understand that he was the one

952
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:38.559
that came to help us understand the law. And when

953
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:41.320
we can really look at it like that in that way,

954
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:44.079
then it helps a lot, because if it goes against

955
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:47.440
what Jesus taught, he's our only chance at salvation and

956
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:50.159
he's the one who is able to understand these things.

957
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:52.519
He was put to death. He lived a sinless life

958
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:55.760
so that we could be alive. The Bible says that

959
00:50:55.840 --> 00:51:00.000
through one man sin entered the world.

960
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:00.920
Were made dead.

961
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:03.840
But and I'm paraphrasing here because I don't remember the

962
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:07.559
exact words, but there was one who made many people righteous,

963
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:09.280
and it was talking about him, And so we have

964
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:13.360
to realize that. And we can't be too dogmatic on

965
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:16.599
certain things that we thought were true, because that's what

966
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:19.519
the Pharisees did. They they didn't even accept Jesus, they

967
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:21.320
didn't even see him as anything, and they had their

968
00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.719
own own ideas of what sin were, and so he

969
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:28.800
didn't match that. And I try to make people realize

970
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:31.719
that because you know, like we grew up in the church,

971
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:35.440
or you know, smoking cigars is bad, right, it's considered

972
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:37.519
a bad thing. Or drinking a little bit of wines

973
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:40.239
considered a bad thing in the church. Wearing your hair

974
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:43.039
below your ears, it is a bad thing in some churches.

975
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:45.079
You can't play drums in some churches.

976
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:45.960
All these things.

977
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:50.920
But none of those are actual sins according to the Bible. Right,

978
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:54.840
But people will push against that, just like the Pharisees did,

979
00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:57.960
like when they told Jesus they weren't washing their hands. Well,

980
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:01.159
that's not in the Torah, that's in the towel mood.

981
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:06.239
That's a oral tradition. And so they want to call

982
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:09.039
that a sin. That's not a sin. But yet the

983
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:11.599
things that are sins they will look over and don't

984
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:14.559
even care about the things that the Bible calls abominations.

985
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:17.360
They will just gloss over. But they're going to go

986
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:21.320
judge you for because you drank a glass of wine

987
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:23.880
or because you sat and you ate with people they

988
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:26.400
didn't approve of, just like they did with Jesus when

989
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:29.239
he sat with the publicans, the tax collectors, and the sinners.

990
00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:32.480
He wasn't there partying it down with him and validating

991
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:35.400
who they were. They were curious because he was a light,

992
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:37.880
and we should be that light and not be scared

993
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:42.440
to be looked at as all, this guy is a sinner,

994
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:44.920
you know, this guy's whatever we're you know, all of

995
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.320
us are sinners, first off, but second off, like, there

996
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:51.000
are advantages to being a light to people. You go

997
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:53.320
and you be a light to anybody, they'll want to

998
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:55.840
come to you. Like, we shouldn't be shunning people away.

999
00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:59.239
The same thing that brought me to Christ was the love,

1000
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:02.280
the mercy, the grace that God was going to allow me.

1001
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:07.880
I didn't deserve it. I mean, man, if anybody, if

1002
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.159
I can be forgiven, which I've not done some of

1003
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:12.119
the horrible things that a lot of these elites and

1004
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:15.559
crazy people are doing with you know, children and stuff

1005
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:17.440
like that. I've never done anything like that. But I've

1006
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:20.119
done a lot of drugs, and I've denied God, you know,

1007
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:23.159
not even denied his existence, but denied that he cared

1008
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:25.320
about me at all. And I lived a life that

1009
00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:28.960
was completely flesh filled. I mean, I did whatever I

1010
00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:31.800
wanted to do. And I know that if I can

1011
00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:35.000
be forgiven a lot of other people can be forgiven

1012
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:37.400
as well. And I wanted the mercy, the love, and

1013
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:39.800
the grace. So that's what I want to show to

1014
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:43.039
other people because that's what draws us in, because that's

1015
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:46.719
what people are desperately seeking. They're seeking. They're not seeking

1016
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:50.159
to be told they're wrong, even though they are. They're

1017
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:54.519
not seeking to be chastised and spanked out, you know whatever. Yeah,

1018
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:57.800
they're they're seeking forgiveness, they're seeking love, they're seeking mercy.

1019
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:00.880
And I think it's important that we we let go

1020
00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:04.159
all of the church bull crap that we've been taught

1021
00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:06.760
about what sin is and look at what the Bible says.

1022
00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:09.360
What is the Bible say about sin? What does the

1023
00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:13.239
Bible say about salvation? Is that the.

1024
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:15.480
Gospel they're presented in church where you come and you

1025
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:17.760
sit and you know you have to make a public

1026
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:22.119
public stance on it at the church, and you know,

1027
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:24.639
you pray a prayer and it's all done, or is it?

1028
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:27.960
The gospel is the Kingdom of Heaven's at hand, and

1029
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:31.280
that pick up your cross and follow me, and you

1030
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:34.159
know that's where our salvation is we are following, not

1031
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:39.320
just believing. Believing is something that the demons believed that

1032
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:41.519
Jesus exists, and they know he's the son of God.

1033
00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:44.519
They even said it. They know that. But do they

1034
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:47.199
follow him No, because they don't really believe in him.

1035
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:48.000
They believe him.

1036
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:51.280
Like if I were to say, hey, come with me,

1037
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:53.960
I do you believe in me or not? Look, I've

1038
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:56.360
got a place we can get through here safe. Do

1039
00:54:56.400 --> 00:54:58.360
you believe in me, You're gonna If you believe in me,

1040
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:01.039
you're gonna say, yeah, let's go do it. If you

1041
00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:04.119
don't believe in me, you won't because you won't follow me.

1042
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:05.800
You'd be like, I don't know, man, Like I don't

1043
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:07.960
I don't get it. But at the same time, you

1044
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:10.840
can still believe that I exist, but it doesn't change

1045
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.440
the fact that you weren't following me down the passway.

1046
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:16.280
And so that's where the church has got it twisted.

1047
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:18.960
This way, you see a lot of lukewarm people. I mean,

1048
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:21.320
the Parable of the Seeds in Matthew makes a great

1049
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:25.400
example of people that have no root, they have no base,

1050
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:29.320
they have nothing, or they're in rocky ground and they

1051
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:33.000
receive the Gospel and it just doesn't isn't able to manifest.

1052
00:55:33.039 --> 00:55:35.400
So we got to create that environment for people. Get

1053
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:38.840
the ground ready, you know, have a relationship with people.

1054
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:41.440
That's really the best way. I mean, yeah, we've led

1055
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:44.559
a lot of people to Christ probably through this program,

1056
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:48.159
but thankfully there are other parts of the body out

1057
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:51.400
there that are able to create relationships with these people

1058
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:54.039
and help them on their walk. Because we need all

1059
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:56.079
the sorts. We need the people that are the mouthpieces.

1060
00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:58.239
We need the hands, we need the feet, we need

1061
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:01.800
it all. And that's you know, that's kind of where

1062
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:03.760
my heart's at right now. I just we need to

1063
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:07.280
understand that not everything that we think is s in

1064
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:12.079
that we think is wrong or right for that matter,

1065
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:15.840
is that way the world's twisted us. Good's evil, evil

1066
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:20.239
is good? You know, the platonic fam or the family

1067
00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:22.719
right for you, Like, listen, you've got several children, I

1068
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:25.760
got several children. We're looked at by the public as being,

1069
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:28.719
you know, white Christian Americans with a bunch of kids,

1070
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:33.079
the crap of society. And you have, you know, somebody

1071
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:35.960
that doesn't even know the real identity who they are,

1072
00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:39.840
that have done horrific things that are you know, just

1073
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:44.480
completely manifests in public. They're brought up as these are

1074
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:46.280
the best, these are the people that we need to

1075
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:48.000
be looking out for. We need to make all our

1076
00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:52.840
laws surrounding the wicked and the ugly, and so yeah, man,

1077
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:55.880
I mean it's been a twisted reality thus far.

1078
00:56:56.840 --> 00:57:00.239
Yeah, it's definitely bizarre how people.

1079
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:06.280
Is that. The bottom line is that the word.

1080
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:09.760
Is the way, right, that that Jesus is the way

1081
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:14.039
and is the number one reason that people find their

1082
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:17.599
way is because of Jesus and who he was and

1083
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:20.280
what he did and all those things. And I think

1084
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:24.920
people get that twisted because they get stuck, they get confused,

1085
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:28.960
and I think it's on purpose that certain things are

1086
00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:32.719
exemplified where they'll pull people will pull stuff out of

1087
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:35.239
the Old Testament and use it as a weapon in

1088
00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:40.599
essence against the actual teachings of Jesus. And if it

1089
00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:45.199
contradicts the words of Jesus, it's not real or it's

1090
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:48.039
not right, it's wrong.

1091
00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:51.000
Even like you know, we don't We look at verses

1092
00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:53.239
and sometimes it's like it could mean like five different

1093
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:56.920
things really, and it might mean all of them right.

1094
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.519
And I think the other big thing for me was

1095
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:07.280
understanding that the Bible is the story of God. It's

1096
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:11.760
not about us. Actually, it's about God, right, and it's

1097
00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:16.360
his story. To me, that was a big differentiator in

1098
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:22.400
my brain because I think we give humans give ourselves

1099
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:26.039
a you know, uplifted sense of.

1100
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:28.360
Importance.

1101
00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:32.519
Right, it's easy to do. I mean, we're self centered

1102
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:33.159
in this.

1103
00:58:33.039 --> 00:58:35.000
World absolutely, so.

1104
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:39.920
Kind of just to switch gears a touch, but also

1105
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:45.360
you know, we're kind of wrapping things up. You cover

1106
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:50.920
topics a lot, like secret societies, like a cult, symbolism

1107
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:54.840
and shadow power structures, stuff like that, which I think

1108
00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:59.960
we both do. But in your view, where's the line

1109
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:05.920
between legitimate historical influence because you love the history of

1110
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:11.119
things as well, and like Internet conspiracy, like the runaway train,

1111
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:13.559
that is Internet conspiracy.

1112
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:17.119
Yeah, I think the Internet train, the runaway train is

1113
00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:20.280
by design. There are certain people who have crept in

1114
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:24.639
and create all kinds of wild theories. And I don't

1115
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:26.880
like to name people, but there's one that you guys

1116
00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:28.119
will all know if I named them.

1117
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:30.440
I'm not gonna name him. But he goes.

1118
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:34.159
Around and puts a picture of any person that has

1119
00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:37.159
any kind of celebrity, or even if they're not a celebrity,

1120
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:39.039
they could just be somebody like me. In fact, I

1121
00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:41.960
was a target of one of these people too. But

1122
00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:44.880
they'll take them and they'll find an old picture of

1123
00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:47.199
somebody looks similar, not even really the same to me.

1124
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:50.239
I look at it and I'm like, dude, talk about reaching, and.

1125
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:52.800
They'll they'll put them together as if they're the same person.

1126
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:55.760
They're a fallen angel from the past, or they're a

1127
00:59:55.760 --> 00:59:58.639
actually a woman when they're a man. And these people

1128
00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:02.199
that every day make millions of dollars, some of them

1129
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:07.920
because they're so popular in slandering people and making things up.

1130
01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:08.280
You know.

1131
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:10.519
The reason I know that they're slandering people is because

1132
01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:13.280
I know I'm not a woman, and I also know

1133
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:16.039
that I'm not a Mason, but yet they're saying that

1134
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:16.360
I am.

1135
01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:17.960
So if they're saying that about me and they're wrong,

1136
01:00:18.039 --> 01:00:19.800
then they're wrong about a lot of other things too.

1137
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:24.119
These people are out there, then you have in the

1138
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:27.119
flat Earth movement, you have. I'm not saying that anybody

1139
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:29.639
who believes in a biblical earth or anything is crazy

1140
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:31.760
or wrong, because I do believe what the Bible says

1141
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:34.599
about the Earth. I don't quite understand like from a

1142
01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:37.239
mindset when I look at it, I can see that

1143
01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:39.280
some of the things that we've been taught on the

1144
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:41.480
Earth are completely wrong. You know, the Bible says they're

1145
01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:44.960
stay still, it doesn't move. So instead of being heliocentric,

1146
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:48.039
we're probably geocentric, which is what everybody taught up till

1147
01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:51.280
a certain occultist came along and decided to switch it

1148
01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:54.400
all up. But there's people in the flat Earth movement

1149
01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:56.360
that are a part of a psychological operation.

1150
01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:57.039
They are.

1151
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:02.440
People who are paid to make get look insane. And

1152
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:04.199
I noticed that when I was at the Flat Earth

1153
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:08.440
International Conference. I was there and people like Logan Paul

1154
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:10.840
were let in to come and make a mockery of everything.

1155
01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:14.480
Jimmy Kimball's people were loud in to make a mockery

1156
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:17.760
of everything. And then Robbie Davidson, the guy that ran

1157
01:01:18.159 --> 01:01:21.079
the Flat Earth conference, comes out a year later starts

1158
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:23.000
making fun of flat Earthers out of the blue, like

1159
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:24.719
you know, he's the one that like kind of brought

1160
01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:27.159
it all up. And so you have people like that

1161
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.800
in there that are just making it seem completely nuts.

1162
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:33.000
And we have to be careful of what we believe,

1163
01:01:33.079 --> 01:01:35.960
what we think about all these things, and really how

1164
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:39.960
we package it because I've noticed this that people can

1165
01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:44.400
only handle so much. Like when you're talking about trafficking

1166
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:47.760
or you're talking about these things, there's a line where

1167
01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:50.239
you have to be very careful how deep you go

1168
01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:52.360
into it, because it will shock people so much that

1169
01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:54.000
they will not hear what you have to say. And

1170
01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:56.800
so you almost have to be surface level with many

1171
01:01:56.800 --> 01:01:59.920
of these things to get people to start seeing what's

1172
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:03.760
actually happening. But yeah, there's a lot of crazy stuff

1173
01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:07.360
out there, and it's unfortunate because it really does put

1174
01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:09.360
a damper. But you'll have the same on both sides.

1175
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:11.960
In the Christian world. You'll have crazies out there that

1176
01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:15.800
are you know, planted in there to make them sound crazier,

1177
01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:16.599
you know, or whatever.

1178
01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:19.280
It's just that's the nature of what it is.

1179
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:22.599
So I, you know, I guess to answer your question

1180
01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:27.199
in a way to kind of be able to see

1181
01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:30.280
through some of these things is watch the fruits of

1182
01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:33.800
the people and see what they're doing over time. Because

1183
01:02:33.920 --> 01:02:36.679
ultimately we can say whatever we want, like we could

1184
01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:40.400
speak the best, but over time you'll start to see divisions,

1185
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:45.800
You'll start to see slander, you'll start to see gossip,

1186
01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:50.760
you'll start to see things that just scream horrible fruit,

1187
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:54.519
scream thorn bush, you know, and then over time you'll

1188
01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:56.840
see other people. You'll see, Wow, this person's been around

1189
01:02:56.840 --> 01:02:59.199
for a while. I see that, you know, this is

1190
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:01.000
going on in their life. Seems like they have a

1191
01:03:01.039 --> 01:03:04.400
decent family life. It seems like they have been pretty

1192
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:10.360
consistent on being not doing slandering, gossiping and all those things.

1193
01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:14.079
And you start to understand the heart of the person speaking,

1194
01:03:14.079 --> 01:03:16.880
because that's really important, because we can make anything sound real,

1195
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:19.760
like you know, we can. I can pull up a

1196
01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:22.119
picture of somebody in the past that probably looks close

1197
01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:24.400
to what you look like, pretty darn close, and I

1198
01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:26.239
can put their picture up against you, and I can

1199
01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:29.159
make a real compelling argument that you are that person,

1200
01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:31.920
and that's who you are. You're just a fallen angel

1201
01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:35.840
that's gotten young again and now you're out here broadcasting seeds.

1202
01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:38.079
But what kind of seeds is he broadcasting? You know,

1203
01:03:38.199 --> 01:03:43.039
like anybody can make those things now with AI anything, Yeah, yeah,

1204
01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:45.039
but AI it can make you look like you stood

1205
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:47.199
up and showed your belly to everybody on camera. You know,

1206
01:03:47.239 --> 01:03:49.679
like there's so many things, so you can't believe almost

1207
01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:53.079
anything anymore. If there's like video evidence of a koop

1208
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:55.880
of bear or a big foot running through the woods

1209
01:03:55.880 --> 01:03:58.679
like you, Now, there's no chance that anybody's going to

1210
01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:00.960
believe it. Even if it's real, there's no chance anybody's

1211
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:03.559
gonna believe it. I won't even believe it, just because

1212
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:05.760
anything after twenty twenty that I see in a video,

1213
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:09.320
I'm going to assume it's probably AI. And so now

1214
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:12.880
there's doubt being cast on everything. So nothing. People don't

1215
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:15.440
believe anything, And I get it. I mean, I'm in

1216
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:18.280
that boat too, And it's because, being honest, it's really

1217
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:21.360
hard to believe it. So it's going to be really

1218
01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:25.199
hard for people to decipher. Man, I'm really concerned about

1219
01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:29.360
those who are the elect because if they've gotten themselves

1220
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:31.599
caught up in the world and all of the big

1221
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:35.239
game that's going on, Are you on us turning point side?

1222
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:38.119
Are you on Candae's side? Are you on this side

1223
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:40.119
or that side? Stuff that in the whole scheme of

1224
01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:44.320
things like that is not what defines us. What defines

1225
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:47.199
us is are we for the kingdom? Because that right

1226
01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:49.519
there doesn't look like the kingdom me It looks like

1227
01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:53.599
a nationalized form of Christianity, and it looks like two

1228
01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:56.320
people playing parts to cause division.

1229
01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:57.199
That's what it looks like.

1230
01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:05.039
Absolutely well, So to kind of wrap things up, this

1231
01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:09.320
show obviously is called broadcasting Seeds, and I like to

1232
01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:14.320
ask the guests to finish out with planting a seed

1233
01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:16.719
in the audience's mind.

1234
01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:24.440
Imagine a life where you can be forgiven, where you

1235
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:27.840
can fill at peace, and where you can have hope

1236
01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:36.480
and you can walk in power. That's possible, and it's

1237
01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:41.639
only possible through the Son of God, Jesus Christ and

1238
01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:44.679
his salvation. And it's only and it's free, and it's

1239
01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:47.320
there for all of us who want to receive it.

1240
01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:53.039
We don't have to live the pattern that we've lived.

1241
01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:57.519
We can change and we can live a very powerful

1242
01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:03.199
life for God, and I think that it's important that

1243
01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:09.400
we do. We were put on this earth for a reason. Unfortunately,

1244
01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:12.239
the earth has a habit of grabbing people from early age,

1245
01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:16.000
going to school, going to churches, and they indoctrinate them

1246
01:06:16.039 --> 01:06:18.760
with what the reality that they want to produce, and

1247
01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:22.280
so we have a false sense of reality. That's one

1248
01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:25.880
thing that you have to understand about this world, and

1249
01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:28.280
you have to be willing to shed those things and

1250
01:06:28.360 --> 01:06:31.320
so my prayer to all of you is not to

1251
01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:34.960
you but for you, is that you are able to overcome,

1252
01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:37.480
that you're able to accept that and be willing to

1253
01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:42.039
put aside the things of this world, because when you do,

1254
01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:46.920
you can only imagine the kind of things that God

1255
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:50.400
has in store for you. It's not going to be easy.

1256
01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:53.039
It's never easy. Nothing good is easy. When you go

1257
01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:56.440
to the gym, it's not easy. It sucks, But in

1258
01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:58.880
the end the results are great. You know, the results

1259
01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:01.320
are something that you want, you want after. But it's

1260
01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:04.239
the same with Christ. It's not easy. Nothing worth doing

1261
01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:07.639
is easy. So I compel you to cry out to

1262
01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:10.400
Him and ask him to show himself to you, to

1263
01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:14.480
reveal himself to you, and accept him for it being salvation,

1264
01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:18.840
and follow his footsteps and see the things that he did.

1265
01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:20.800
Pick up your Bible and start reading in the Book

1266
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:24.760
of Matthew. For those of you who are interested in that,

1267
01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:28.400
I do on now UCTV every Saturday, I am going

1268
01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:31.000
through the Book of Matthew right now. I'm getting ready

1269
01:07:31.039 --> 01:07:33.480
to start on chapter fourteen. But there's a playlist there

1270
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:36.119
and it just very simple Bible study. All I'm doing

1271
01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:39.800
is reading and commenting on the things. I'm not trying

1272
01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:42.400
to put minerjet my own thoughts or feelings into it,

1273
01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:46.119
but going through and reading what he did, I mean,

1274
01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:49.920
people don't understand the power behind Christ.

1275
01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:52.480
They should because the whole world's designed after him.

1276
01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:57.960
The whole world is acknowledges him. Two thousand years later,

1277
01:07:58.239 --> 01:07:59.840
they acknowledge.

1278
01:07:59.519 --> 01:08:00.159
Who he is.

1279
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:04.800
Is in Matthew, he walked from the moment he started

1280
01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:06.599
his ministry out and I'll kind of give you a

1281
01:08:06.639 --> 01:08:09.960
sum of what he did on this earth. He denied

1282
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:13.039
the devil. First, he went out into the wilderness fasted.

1283
01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:16.439
He denied the devil. The devil offered him all the

1284
01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:19.880
kingdoms of the world, but the kiss kingdom wasn't of

1285
01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:21.960
this world, but he offered them all the kingdoms. Jesus

1286
01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:25.520
denied him and rebuked him. Directly after that, he goes

1287
01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:28.520
to John the Baptist and gets baptized, and the spirit

1288
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:31.640
of God comes down upon him and manifests to all

1289
01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:33.560
the people there that he is the Son of God.

1290
01:08:34.399 --> 01:08:36.279
As soon as he gets done with that, he starts

1291
01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:40.479
going and healing people. He starts going and casting out demons. Thousands,

1292
01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:44.520
if not millions, of people are following him around everywhere

1293
01:08:44.560 --> 01:08:47.800
he goes. There, he's preaching the summer of them out.

1294
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:51.199
He's standing in the gap in the ocean speaking to

1295
01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:54.960
millions of people. Everybody's like, what is going on. There's

1296
01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:57.920
somebody out here just going through the streets healing. I mean,

1297
01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:00.439
imagine in your own town, or in New York City

1298
01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:03.600
or Portland or somewhere, a man starts going through in

1299
01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:06.000
there and healing all the drug addicts and starts getting

1300
01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:09.960
people that were sick out. People demons are being cast out.

1301
01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:12.560
The whole world's watching at this point, and this is

1302
01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:14.600
why it was in that region. The whole world was

1303
01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:17.560
watching in that whole region was watching him, and they

1304
01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:21.279
were seeking after him, following him everywhere he went. The

1305
01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:24.079
wicked people of the world were plotting against him because

1306
01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:26.479
they he was putting a damper on their cash flow.

1307
01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:29.039
He was putting a damper on their power because people

1308
01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:32.159
realize that those people weren't the true spiritual power.

1309
01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:35.520
He feeds many, many people.

1310
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:39.680
And right now when we're at in Matthew chapter fourteen,

1311
01:09:39.720 --> 01:09:42.680
that's where we're getting to where he's feeding people, he's

1312
01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:46.600
creating a life to where he is showing the power

1313
01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:48.880
of God. And when we do those things. It's going

1314
01:09:48.920 --> 01:09:51.399
to upset the wrong people or the right people, and

1315
01:09:51.399 --> 01:09:55.239
we're going to act upset the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the

1316
01:09:55.279 --> 01:09:58.600
modern day ones, the ones that don't believe you're anointed

1317
01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:00.840
enough to do what you're doing. In fact, you know,

1318
01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:04.960
you shouldn't even be talking about this. You shouldn't be teaching.

1319
01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:08.079
But I am a clergy and I've gone through these schools,

1320
01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:10.000
and I should be teaching. All of these people will

1321
01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:13.640
be jealous. You will start doing things that are powerful.

1322
01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:16.760
If you truly believe and you receive the spirit, God

1323
01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:20.119
will put things in front of you that you are

1324
01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:22.720
supposed to do, whether it be feed somebody, whether it

1325
01:10:22.760 --> 01:10:25.319
be helped somebody, whether it be cast.

1326
01:10:25.079 --> 01:10:25.760
A demon out.

1327
01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:27.840
I mean, we don't all get to do those things,

1328
01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:31.760
but there will be situations where God will put you

1329
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:33.960
in a situation where you have the power to help

1330
01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:36.560
those people. And the more we do that, the more

1331
01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:40.359
the light of Christ shines. Our ability to be a

1332
01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:43.880
light for God is a blessing and an honor. We

1333
01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:46.399
don't deserve it. We don't deserve to be a light

1334
01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:49.600
in this world. We've been full of darkness. Our entire life.

1335
01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:51.960
But God gives us that ability to be a light

1336
01:10:52.039 --> 01:10:55.479
to the nations, a light to all people, to all mankind.

1337
01:10:55.960 --> 01:10:58.840
And so don't snub that you're here for a reason.

1338
01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:01.159
You're not here to sit sit on your butt all

1339
01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:06.520
day watching football, go into you know, work nine to five,

1340
01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:09.560
and not ever looking at what you're actually made here

1341
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:13.640
to do, just because that's your job. That's I can

1342
01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:17.079
guarantee you that God didn't put you here to be

1343
01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:22.239
I guess just completely sold over to the world system.

1344
01:11:22.680 --> 01:11:25.760
You have a power within you, you have an ability

1345
01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:29.560
within you. You have a specific thing that you are

1346
01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:33.520
designed to do. But you'll never find that unless you're

1347
01:11:33.560 --> 01:11:36.880
willing to accept Christ, because the world will do everything

1348
01:11:36.920 --> 01:11:39.720
in its power to suck you into that system so

1349
01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:43.680
that you will never manifest what you are supposed to do.

1350
01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:47.359
So that's the seed I want to plant right there.

1351
01:11:47.439 --> 01:11:50.960
Hopefully that is a seed that will fall on fertile

1352
01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:52.479
soil for sure.

1353
01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:59.840
Amen, tell everyone where they can find you.

1354
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:02.520
Just go to YouTube or google my name. You can

1355
01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:04.560
find me John Pounders. There's not a lot of Pounders

1356
01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:06.520
out there. I mean, I don't know what happened. There

1357
01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:08.640
is a story behind that. Why there's not a lot

1358
01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:11.000
of Pounders out there. But it's a story for another

1359
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:14.319
time and it goes way way back. But there's not

1360
01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:16.560
many of us out there. John Pounders, I don't know.

1361
01:12:16.720 --> 01:12:19.039
There's probably another. I think there's another John Powers that

1362
01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:24.119
plays baseball. But that's about it. I mean there are

1363
01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:27.000
other ones, but not. If you look up, you'll find me.

1364
01:12:27.039 --> 01:12:29.319
If you look up Pounders Quest, you'll find me. Look

1365
01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:31.159
up now, you see TV, you'll find me. If you

1366
01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:34.239
go on Facebook, you'll find me. Instagram, TikTok. I'm not

1367
01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:36.800
much on TikTok, not much on Instagram either, but I'm

1368
01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:39.800
on Facebook a lot more than the rest of them,

1369
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:41.760
just because I'm getting older and it's the only one

1370
01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:46.119
that starts to makes sense to me anymore. But yeah, man,

1371
01:12:46.359 --> 01:12:48.520
you can find me if you look out there. But

1372
01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:52.720
more importantly, I suggest you find God because I'm just

1373
01:12:52.720 --> 01:12:53.319
his servant.

1374
01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:54.039
I'm nothing.

1375
01:12:54.119 --> 01:12:57.479
The servant's not greater than the Master, and so find him,

1376
01:12:57.640 --> 01:12:59.720
and that's more important than finding me.

1377
01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:05.720
I understand. Thank you so much for coming on. It's

1378
01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:06.520
great to talk to you.

1379
01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:08.920
I appreciate it. Man, it's a blessing. I'm glad we

1380
01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:10.880
finally got to do this. And I look forward to

1381
01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:12.600
hopefully doing more. I'd like to have you on my

1382
01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:14.399
podcast sometime.

1383
01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:16.000
Too, anytime, anytime.

1384
01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:25.319
If you're better sing, it's sound a weaker.

1385
01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:37.000
Yeah.

1386
01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:40.520
I was raised on truth, but I ran from it fast,

1387
01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:41.319
no doubt.

1388
01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:44.840
Days tried to bury the past. Kim fuck my heart

1389
01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:47.439
full of static smile on the outside of side.

1390
01:13:47.479 --> 01:13:51.279
It was tragic green days, like withdrawals, Cold Coo had

1391
01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:53.119
to face what I couldn't ignore.

1392
01:13:53.199 --> 01:13:56.239
My safe God it you will show me now. Next

1393
01:13:56.239 --> 01:13:59.159
thing I know, mercy walked to somehow, but knock on

1394
01:13:59.199 --> 01:14:01.760
the door. Ever in the boom fell heat and my

1395
01:14:01.880 --> 01:14:04.319
chest cut straight through the gloom. He is hitting the

1396
01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:05.279
ground like a chain.

1397
01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:07.880
Fine steps. I didn't get better if I got pulled

1398
01:14:07.960 --> 01:14:11.760
from the trap in that chest explaining but I know

1399
01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:18.920
that I'm changed When the dark answer, I says, take

1400
01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:21.880
the bed off of the light here hard, I don't

1401
01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:24.319
be into the dark. I know who my God is,

1402
01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:27.560
hands apart over in our back on track and the

1403
01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:28.520
world ons wall.

1404
01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:29.479
Then I'm milt for that.

1405
01:14:29.840 --> 01:14:32.000
Take the bed off. I can find these team.

1406
01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:34.439
This ain't just the stormy gets a rescue ca me

1407
01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:38.119
no change donly sho. I'm finally free in the name

1408
01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:38.720
of the King.

1409
01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:41.960
Watch hail back scene me, watch.

1410
01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:43.680
Hail vaccine at me with me.

1411
01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:46.880
Now I see the pattern. It's deeper than flesh.

1412
01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:49.680
Principalities moved and the puppets play chess.

1413
01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:52.239
People talk big, but they live real hollow.

1414
01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:54.600
The demons believe, but they refuse to follow.

1415
01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:58.079
Sleep paralysis especial rom My lungs couldn't move, a muscle,

1416
01:14:58.319 --> 01:14:59.920
couldn't pay, my tongue.

1417
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:02.279
Help that wait like a beast on my spine. I

1418
01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:04.680
called just you what and it broke like a line.

1419
01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:05.680
I'm not saying.

1420
01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:06.920
Let me sat Back's a curse.

1421
01:15:07.000 --> 01:15:08.319
Sometimes you can spill coffee.

1422
01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:10.199
Sometimes I just start splitting.

1423
01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:12.760
The enemies, pressing. Check the open door and get your

1424
01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:13.560
house clean.

1425
01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:16.800
Like you say at the Boar and the Roone present

1426
01:15:18.279 --> 01:15:23.720
made up, Steve. I've seen the truth and the truth

1427
01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:24.760
is real.

1428
01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:29.359
Take some of the light and I don't bear the dark.

1429
01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:30.960
I know who my God is.

1430
01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:34.079
Hand a rottle me in on back on track. If

1431
01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:36.039
the world wants water, then I built for that.

1432
01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:37.399
Take the pail off.

1433
01:15:37.439 --> 01:15:39.840
I can finally scene. It ain't just a story, It's

1434
01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:40.520
a rescue.

1435
01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:44.800
Paully, no change, only st finally free in the neighbor,

1436
01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:51.279
the King, watch hal vaccine, back feet. If you are

1437
01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:54.920
built it out in a system, your word rang to

1438
01:15:55.039 --> 01:15:59.079
live Now you're nothing, Serve.

1439
01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:05.359
Cry out house, don't fake it. If you're lost, don't

1440
01:16:05.479 --> 01:16:08.319
mask it. Start with Matthew. Let the words cut through.

1441
01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:10.960
Not religion, not a show. Just to wait, just the road.

1442
01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:12.760
Pick up your cross, let them.

1443
01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:16.720
Carry you to take the veil and the light hard.

1444
01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:18.000
I don't bear nothing dark.

1445
01:16:18.079 --> 01:16:20.640
I know who my God is hands.

1446
01:16:20.399 --> 01:16:22.800
I'm hard over it. I'm back on track. If the

1447
01:16:22.880 --> 01:16:25.319
world wants more than I the for that, take a

1448
01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:25.960
mad along.

1449
01:16:26.039 --> 01:16:28.199
I can find a lea scene to see, just the story.

1450
01:16:28.279 --> 01:16:31.520
It's a rescue for me, no change, no leeha.

1451
01:16:31.600 --> 01:16:34.359
I'm finally free in the name of the King. Watch

1452
01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:40.359
hail back scene, watch tailback deed, watch him back scene

1453
01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:42.920
backed what tailback Deed