April 2, 2026

She Went Looking for Bigfoot… Then Reality Broke | Jamie Kelley (True Encounter Story)

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She Went Looking for Bigfoot… Then Reality Broke | Jamie Kelley (True Encounter Story)
She Went Looking for Bigfoot… Then Reality Broke | Jamie Kelley (True Encounter Story)
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What starts as a simple Bigfoot encounter quickly turns into something far more disturbing. In this episode of Broadcasting Seeds, Bennett sits down with Jamie Kelly to unpack a series of experiences that go beyond cryptids and into something much deeper. What she encountered in the woods wasn’t just Bigfoot—it involved missing time, shifting realities, strange lights, and what can only be described as entering another dimension. This conversation explores: Bigfoot encounters and high strangeness The “Upside Down” type reality shift Orbs, portals, and anomalous phenomena The hitchhiker effect and what follows you home Spiritual warfare and unseen forces This isn’t just a story—it’s a warning, a testimony, and a glimpse into a reality most people never see… until they do. If you’ve ever wondered what really happens in the woods, this episode might change how you see everything.

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And during all of this, you know, I am consciously

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aware that I am somewhere else, and I am internally

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freaking out because I don't know if I'm going to.

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Get back, as you would, yes.

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I don't know if I'm going to get back. I

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don't know what the ramifications are of this, and you're

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just thoughts are just flying through your mind and it's terrifying,

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to say the least.

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Broadcast Seeds.

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Broadcasting Seeds planting troop in the minds.

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Of the.

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All right, make sure everything's good. All right, everybody, Welcome

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back to another episode of Broadcasting Seeds. I am your host, Benattantan,

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and today you're sitting down with Jamie Kelly. Now I'm

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gonna let Jamie tell us who she is, what she does,

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and what's the best place to find her. Thanks for

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coming on.

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Jes thank you so much for having me. Like you said,

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I am Jamie Kelly, I am a wife, a mom,

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a work full time, and I am brand new to

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field research and all things high strangeness. But they have

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been in my life for quite a while. I just

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didn't know really how to navigate it. So who I am?

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Yeah, So give us a little background. What what is

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your gateway to this world of high strange? And that's

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a lot of times I used to say gateway drug,

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I mean, because it's like a drug frankly. But yeah,

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so what what was your first intro to this world?

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So my origin story, I grew up in a house

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that had a mimic and I would see apparitions from

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time to time in the house. I would hear my

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mother call my name, but my mother wouldn't be home,

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so that was that was odd, and I just kind

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of grew up with it in the back of my mind, like, Okay,

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you know that's there. Just go on about your business.

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And it never really affected me in any sort of way.

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And in twenty fourteen, I was baptized and I started

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seeing into tease in the doorway of my bedroom and

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in between, you know, growing up in twenty fourteen, I

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hadn't really had any additional experiences, so it was all

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kind of flooding back to me of okay, this, you know,

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this is back, so let's see two. And also in

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twenty fourteen, I was living in a part by myself.

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I just got my first big girl job and I

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went to lunch with a coworker and this waitress comes

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up to us, and the first thing I noticed is

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that her mouth is moving very odd, like something is

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trying to speak for her. And the coworker notices that

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I notice, and she's like, just hang on a second,

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and she looks at the waitress and she says, I

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know who you are. The lights go out in the restaurant.

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There's this huge surge of energy that's like I'll never

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be happy again, just complete darkness, and the restaurant goes silent,

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like I don't it's a packed restaurant. I don't know

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if anybody else is there in that moment. I don't

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know if we shifted somewhere else, but it was super odd.

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And the waitress walks off, and I just sit there

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with this realization that this world is so much more

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crazier than I ever thought possible.

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So twenty twenty four, I started praying for God to

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use me in spiritual warfare. I didn't know what that

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looked like. I didn't know if He would utilize me

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in any way, but that's what was laid on my heart.

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So that's what I prayed for. And also in that timeframe,

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I started having reoccurring demonic dreams. I would be in

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a location I wasn't familiar with and this person would

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walk up to me and we'd just start having a conversation,

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and then all of a sudden, the energy would shift,

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and I knew that this was about to go you know,

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south in a dark place. So I start trying to

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say the name Jesus, and the entity in front of

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me would either you know, prevent me from saying it

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or physically put their hand over my mouth where I

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couldn't say Jesus. And I didn't take that. I didn't

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take that as it was and it really affected me.

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But I'm like, well, you're praying for spiritual warfare, so

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this is probably Yeah, this is probably a type of learning,

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you know event so you need to take away from

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it how you feel, how to react, what to do,

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Like you're being taught something, so soak it up.

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So, and I also have two older sisters and they

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are into high strangers as well. So my oldest sister Amy,

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she was like, I want to go to this big

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Foot conference. We want to see one of our favorite podcasters.

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And we're like, okay, cool, let's go. And I really

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began to dig into Bigfoot in twenty twenty four.

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My sisters, it's always the freaking game that is the

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gateway drug.

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Bigfoot is the gateway drug. But my sisters have had

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Bigfoot encounters, and after hearing their encounters, I was like, Okay,

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I'll dig into it. So we go to this conference.

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We see our favorite podcaster and who is it, Jessica

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Jones the Crypto hundred Yeah, yeah, I know, yes, and

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she's so sweet. My sister Amy, before we went, she

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was like, man, what if they what if they let

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us go out in the field. And we're kind of like,

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I don't know, they don't usually let people go out,

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you know that are new and it's just a liability.

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They probably won't, but I kind of had this gut

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feeling that they would, and I said that to my sisters.

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I'm like, they might let us go. I don't know.

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So we get to the conference and we're hanging out

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and my sister goes up to Jessica and she's like,

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can we go out in the field with you? Jessica said, yeah,

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come on, let's go. So we go back, we go

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back home, we get an app. We're on like cloud nine.

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We are so excited and my sister Amy kind of

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starts getting apprehensive. She's like, they're not going to let

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us go. We haven't heard from anybody. It's been hours,

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and I'm like, they're gonna let us go. I feel

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it they're gonna let us go. So finally we get

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that text message and Jessica's like, meet us here, let's go.

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So we hop in the car. We're on the way,

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just so excited. So we get there and I finally

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get to meet members of Seekers and I meet Sean,

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who will come into play later. That was my first

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time meeting him. So we're hanging out, we're having a

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good time. There's not much going on, and Jessica and

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Matthew they're like, we're going to go down this service

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road and without asking, not that I have to ask

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my sisters, but without really processing this, I'm like, I'm

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going to go by myself, nobody, you know, I don't

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know these people. I'm going to go. So we head

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down the service road, no headlamps, and I start getting

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this feeling in the pit of my stomach and it's

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something I've never felt before, and it rolls up into

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my chest and then it rolls up into my throat,

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and I'm like, what is this, Like you're having a

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medical episode of like what is going on? Yeah, And

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I just kind of I sit on it because I'm like,

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I don't know what this is. And it grows, it

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gets more intense, and again I continue to sit on

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it because I'm new and I don't want to come

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across as you know, being afraid or all the things.

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But it finally got to a point where it was

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so overwhelming that I said to Jessica, I'm I'm feeling

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something and I don't really know what it is, but

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I'm just letting you know. And She's like, yeah, I

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kind of feel it too. Let's turn back. So we

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go back and as we're walking, I hear in my

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head look down and I'm like, okay, So I turned

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my headlamp on. I look down and there's a print.

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And I don't know. I'm not a skilled tracker.

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Now the voice, what did you hear? Do you remember

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like was it more like was it a like a

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something else or was it more like you know, because

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especially us folks that are kind of well turned in

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with the Holy Spirit, like there's like I can tell

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the difference.

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So I would say it was more like a thought,

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but it was so loud, it was so pronounced, like

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just okay, I had to stop and I had to

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look like I couldn't just not do it. So but yeah,

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I'm not a skilled tracker, don't know what to look for.

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But there's that. So we go back to the group

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and I'm just kind of processing all of that, and

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I'm like, you you sensed something, you you felt something,

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so maybe pay attention to that. Maybe that's going in

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line with, you know, the whole spiritual warfare that you

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prayed for. So twenty twenty five, I end up going

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to a big Foot conference by myself, way out of

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character for me. I don't go and do things, you know,

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by myself. But I end up meeting more members of Seekers.

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I meet Trey Hudson and grag Goggles, Angie and Melissa,

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and I'm just like, I really like I like these people.

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They're they're awesome, you know, they answer my questions very kind.

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Yeah. I've met Greg before and he's a good dude.

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I know he wouldn't remember me because I was one

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of but it was at the Great Smoky Oh my god,

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the Smoking Mountain big Foot conference. So h that's kind

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of how I found you guys. So, but I haven't

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reached out to Greg to be like, dude, let's do

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an episode. So we'll get there. We'll get there though

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now it's it's just a matter of I want to

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kind of put some things in order because he's kind

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of the you know, he's got relic and everything.

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So anyway, so I meet them and they're like, hey,

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we've we've got this outing coming up in July. Do

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you want to go without thinking things through, without processing.

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I was like, yeah, I'll be there. I'm going. So

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just a few things about me. I have never been camping.

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I have never been on an overnight excursion. So and

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my husband is he doesn't really care about bigfoot, so he's.

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Like, not this, not as Jammy. It's something my wife's Jami.

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That's usually how it is poll marry each other. So

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I had to do three.

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Talk about opposites, right.

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I had to do three big things. I had to

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secure the funds to buy gear, to buy all of

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the gear and make sure it arrived on time and

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I had everything that I needed. And then I had

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to ask my husband can I go not ask them,

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but you know, can I go.

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I know what you're saying. Can I go by myself too?

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With strangers, these weird people. Okay, that was the that

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was the monumental task. But I accomplished all of those

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things seamlessly, like they just worked out, and I'm like, okay, awesome.

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So July rolls around and I remember driving and.

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This is July of twenty twenty five.

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Yes, I remember driving to the site, and I'm like,

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this is either the worst idea you've ever had or

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absolutely the best, because I've only met these people one time,

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you know, but I'm putting a lot of faith, a

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lot of trust in them. But it feels right. It

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feels like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing.

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And when you're in reality and you're processing this, you're like, Okay,

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this is kind of insane, but it feels right, So

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I'm going to do it anyway. I get there, get

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to base camp, sit up on my gear, and you know,

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we're just talking, hanging out, and then the time comes

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for us to go out on the expedition and we

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get teamed up into teams of four and it is me, Sean, Kristen,

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and Tony and we're walking to our location and we

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get to an area they call ambush Alley, and I

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begin to get that feeling in the pit of my

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stomach that rolls up into my chest, that rolls open

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in my throat, and I'm like, okay, you're feeling this again,

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So you there's something here. Need to pay attention. So

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we get to the site and it's by a body

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of water and there's there's frogs just they're croaking so loud,

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and we get our gear out. We're getting set up

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and Tony and Sean begin to do whoop calls and

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immediately after that, the frogs start going nuts and they

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sound almost sick. I don't know, it's a weird sound.

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And it's like, this isn't natural. This something's going on.

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And about that time, Kristen captures on her thermal this

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by pedal creature peeking behind a tree. So Sean hands

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me his night vision. I look through it, I don't

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see anything. He hands me his thermal and I see it.

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This is my first time seeing possibly bigfoot, and I

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think I said something along the lines of I am

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not responsible enough to do this mm hm. But at

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that moment, my my world expanded, it exploded, my head exploded.

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I mean, I'm no longer alone in the universe, you know,

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and that was that was pretty significant. But nothing, nothing

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really happened besides that. So we go back to base camp,

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go to sleep, get up the next next day, and

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and at base camp we're kind of we're sharing our stories,

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we're sharing our faith. It's a it's a really good conversation.

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And time rolls around for us to get back out

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in the field and I'm peered up with Sean and

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they're like, where do y'all want to go? And I

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pipe up without asking Sean, I want to go to

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Ambush Alley because that's where I felt something. So they're like, okay, cool,

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So we head out. We get to Ambish Allie. We

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sit down and Sean and I are facing opposite, so

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he is looking up at a higher hill type area

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and I'm looking at an open field. So we've got

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like a three sixty kind of part of you. And

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we sit there, We're talking, looking through night vision, looking

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through thermal Not much is going on, and I'm asking

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Sean tons of questions because you know, he's very experienced,

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very knowledgeable, and I'm brand new. So I've got I've

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got all the questions. But as we're as we're sitting there,

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I begin to get that feeling and pit up my

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stomach and rolls up in my chest, rolls up into

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my throat, and it's getting very intense. And I say

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something to Sean. I'm like, I'm feeling this and I

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don't really know what it is. And Deshawn's benefit he

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didn't understand. You know, you can't feel how other people

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are feeling. And he's been doing this, I don't know

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how many years, so he's probably thinking it's nerves. She's nervous,

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you know. So he's like, Okay, you know it's gonna

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be all right, You're fine. So I'm sitting there and

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like I said, the feeling gets really really intense, and

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I see this flash of light in the sky and

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I say something to Sean. I'm like, did you see that.

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He's like, no, I didn't see anything. And as soon

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as I said that, I am immediately launched into a

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reality that was not where I was, and I physically

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mentally understand that I am not where I was. So

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I am sitting there and I am observing all of this,

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and there is a visible gray hue applied to the landscape.

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There's a wall of fog over the landscape and bushes, trees, rocks,

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they all have this prism type outline to them. So

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I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, but.

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Everything's the same. It's just no, no, okay, So it's

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totally different.

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It's extremely different. It almost mimics like where I was,

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but it is do you.

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Know what I'm saying? Kind of like and I guess

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the best way to describe this is, it's like the

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upside downing from things. So do you know what I mean?

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Is it like a is it like a direct Like

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the rocks are the same, but they look different.

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So trees that were in front of me were no

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longer there. Okay, but it looked like where I was,

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but it wasn't where I understand. And it's amazing that

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you said that, because after I came out of it,

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I said to Sean, and looked like the upside down

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from stranger things.

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That's my exact word. Well, because if we've had that experience,

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we've had that experience, so I get it.

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So this happens two other times. So I shifted dimensionally realms,

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whatever you want to call it. Three times total. And

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while I did this, Sean did not. He stayed in

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the current room, he did not shift at all. So

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there were two different realities happening at the same time,

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which is yep. I mean that's quantum.

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Level stuff that, yeah, for sure. So that's why you.

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Because these are all questions that I've asked myself. Yeah,

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so some theories, I may have been an easy target.

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I didn't fight it. I didn't. I didn't I didn't

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know what was happening. And then you know, just I'm

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in I'm in proximity to someone who has not encountered

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this exact thing, but is really into the high strangeness stuff,

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whereas I was not. So I'm being initiated baptism by fire,

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you know.

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Yeah, but as Sean ever had an experience like that,

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at least that you know of. Yeah, so I was just, yeah,

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you're fine, little nuggets.

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So Sean, he's he's taking note on his watch when

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all of these things seem to happen, and it seems

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to be in about a five minute increment. So he's like,

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I've got to keep track of this because when we

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do our review, I've obviously got to tell them all

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of this. So we're sitting there and it seems to

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subside a little bit, you know, a little bit of

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time goes on, and all of a sudden, we hear

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this tree snap, pop, pop, crunch, And the third pop

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is extremely loud to where it almost has like a

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slight echo. So our attention is immediately drawn to our right.

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And immediately after that, I hear an owl sound to

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my left. Yeah. So as I am panning from right

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to left to look in that direction of the sound,

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I see this really colorful ball of light in the

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sky and it is orange and green and it's moving

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like plasma. And I remember thinking to myself, is that

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like an orb? I remember thinking to myself, is that

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a UFO? And I don't know why I thought that,

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but I did so. Immediately after the owl sound, I

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am again shifted into this other real dimension.

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Now, was it a barred owl or do you know

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what kind of how it's not? It doesn't you don't

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have to be specific. I'm just I'm just wondering because

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I think, yeah, I mean, did it Yeah, I'm trying

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to think. I mean, owls are out like people here

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who and they they're like owl, but there's different types

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of Yeah, obviously, right, but bard ows have a pretty

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distinct uh.

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I just was wondering, So what's interesting about that?

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And where is it?

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Where are we?

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Yeah, just like region the south, Okay, like Kentucky, Georgia, Georgia. Okay,

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so it's probably a barde.

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No, you're fine. But what's interesting about that is I

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communicate to Sean, I think I just heard a dog bark.

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But something to consider is my speech is severely I'm

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having a hard time from you know, brain to mouth like,

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so I think I communicated a familiar sound, but in

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my memory it's an owl.

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So okay, all right, But he said dog I did.

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I said, it sounds like a dog bark. I think

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I just heard a dog bark, is what I said.

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But he did not hear an owl. He did not

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hear a dog bark.

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He just hurt three pops, understand.

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So I am back in this realm, just kind of

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sitting there, observing, looking around. And this lasts longer than

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the first three times. I don't know how long I

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was there, but it lasted longer, it felt like. And

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during all of this, you know, I am consciously aware

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that I am somewhere else and I am internally freaking

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out because I don't know if I'm going to get

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back as you would, I don't know if I'm going

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to get back. I don't know what the ramifications are

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of this, and You're just thoughts are just flying through

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your mind and it's terrifying, to say the least. But

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I end up coming out of it, and this time

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I feel more cognizant, I feel more anchor to reality.

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I feel like I can move, I can talk like

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I feel like I'm back somewhere. I'm not sure where

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I am, but I'm back somewhere. And I look over

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at Sean and he has a very scared look on

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his face and he says to me, everything changed, the

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entire landscape changed. And I said, Okay, Sean has just

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experienced what I have experienced. So a part of me, well,

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I don't want to stay happy, but a part of

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me was kind of relieved that Sean had experienced.

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It probably made you feel less crazy that.

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And somebody that I could relate to, somebody that you know. Yeah,

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But the other part of me was extremely sad and

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distraught for him because I knew exactly what he was

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going through. So I'm sitting there and I'm kind of

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being like a grounding point to him. I'm like, hey,

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it's going to be okay. We're going to get through this.

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And he stands up and he's like, I hear footsteps.

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I don't. I don't hear footsteps. And then he goes

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further and he's like, I hear them everywhere, They're everywhere.

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I'm not hearing anything. I'm not seeing anything. So I

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realize that things are escalating to a point of possibly

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no return. I'm not sure, but things are about to

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go down and I can feel it. And the only

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thing that I know to do is run over to

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Sean and I put my hands on his arms and

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I call out to y'all, Wigh, and I just said, y'ah, Wigh,

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we need you. We're in trouble. Sean needs you. And

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I pray the Blood of Yushua over Sean. And once

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I end the prayer, it seems that Sean is fully cognizant.

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Sean is back. So I'm like, okay, and I can

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sense things have maybe kind of calmed down, you know,

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in the moment, and Sean looks at us watch and

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he says, we've we've got some missing time. When the

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Pop Pop Crunch happened, it was twelve oh five. It

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is now twelve forty five. So Sean and I both

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shifted that that time after the after the tree snapped, So.

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We've got about what half hour of missing time?

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Well it's forty minutes to half hour. Yeah, yeah, So

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I say, okay, that's that's not good. A lot can happen,

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and yeah, that amount of time, and I was not

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cautiously physically with my body, so anything could have happened.

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So Sean, we both have radios. I could not operate

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my radio during all of this. I could now, I

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could today, but in that time I could not operate

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my radio. And Sean had tried to call out to

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the rest of the group many times and we were

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not getting through. But his his radio would key up

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on my radio, but we wouldn't get anything, just static,

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which is extremely odd, so.

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Not surprising, no, no, no, So.

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We eventually get calms Sean, you know, he gets a

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hold of the groups and he's like, hey, we're experiencing

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some anomalous stuff. And the groups can actually hear the

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fear in his voice and they said, are you okay?

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And Sean said, I don't know. And Sean is not

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the person that doesn't know if he's okay. That is

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Thorne's solid due and he knows if he's okay. So

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that was an immediate signal to the groups. Okay, we've

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got to go get them. So the other groups are

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running to us, and I think the closest group to

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us was about a quarter of a mile, so hey

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to not be so as as we're sitting there waiting

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on the groups to get to us, you know, we're

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we're in disbelief, we are in shock, but we're also

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communicating to each other what if we are stuck in

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the upside down? What if we are not where we're

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supposed to be. And Sean got on the radio and

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Tony and Kristen they're like, we're you know, we're at

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this location. We're almost to you. And Sean said, okay,

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we're gonna have our flashlights out, have your your white

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lights on. And I remember thinking, what happens if I

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see them but they don't see me? And that was

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extremely terrifying because I thought that was possibly the reality

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of I'm in a different realm or dimension and they

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can't see me. There's going to walk right past us.

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So we're sitting there and I see the headlamps coming

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through the woods and I'm like, oh, thank god. I mean,

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it felt like hours until they got to us, but

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it was probably, you know, ten to fifteen minutes. But

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they finally make their way to us. And Tony's first,

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and I remember reaching my hand out to him and

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I said, I have to touch you to make sure

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you're real. Are you real? And I made that connection.

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I touched his hand and I'm like, okay, I'm physical,

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he's physical. We're somewhere together. Hopefully it's back where we started.

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And then Kristen's next, and I do the same thing.

459
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I have to touch you and make sure you're real.

460
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:03.200
I make that physical contact and I'm like, okay, all right,

461
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.119
we are good. So we end up sitting down and

462
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:13.480
you know, doing a review, and I'll never forget Trey

463
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:18.119
sitting down on an embankment and he takes his helmet

464
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:20.359
off and he sighs, and he says, it's time to

465
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:25.599
start considering that the phenomena is following us. And in

466
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:32.519
that moment, I realized, you're in deep trouble. You have

467
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:38.319
crossed a threshold that you didn't even know about, that

468
00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:42.240
you're in deep trouble. So the seriousness, the realness, it

469
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:45.599
was all, you know, it was sinking in and I knew,

470
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.160
you know, I did my research into Trey and the

471
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:51.519
Meadow Project and all the things. So in my mind

472
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.279
it was, well, I'm going to look for bigfoot. If

473
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:56.400
I see a portal, just avoid it, don't you know,

474
00:31:57.440 --> 00:31:58.039
It'll be fine.

475
00:31:59.119 --> 00:31:59.880
It's just a.

476
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:07.000
Avoid it. So that was my mindset, you know, blissfully unaware.

477
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:09.240
I'm not saying that I went through a portal. That's

478
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:10.000
not what I'm saying.

479
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:13.599
But yeah, no, no, I totally.

480
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:21.720
So during the after action review, I remember hearing someone

481
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:26.000
say there's an or behind us, and I immediately like

482
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:29.759
tensed up, and I'm like, oh, here we go. I

483
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:34.799
didn't want the whole group to essentially maybe experience this

484
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:36.880
and then we all really do get stuck somewhere. That

485
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:39.720
was kind of my thought process, but luckily nothing else happened.

486
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:43.960
So we start heading back to base camp and as

487
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:47.799
we are walking, I am being followed by owls just

488
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:52.599
loudly sounding off and it is triggering to me, and

489
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:56.039
I say something out loud to the group but we.

490
00:32:56.119 --> 00:32:59.599
Get back to they can hear the owls too, though, Okay,

491
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.880
we get because that matters, it does.

492
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:08.519
We get back to base camp and I lose it.

493
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:12.559
I mean, I'm falling my eyes out, And why did

494
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:17.920
I do this? I was I was more worried about

495
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:23.079
I guess the ramifications of what had just happened. I wasn't.

496
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:27.440
You can never be fully prepared of the ramifications until

497
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:31.160
it happens to you. But I knew I was probably

498
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:37.039
going to have some ramifications. So I sleep maybe three

499
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:43.400
hours maybe, and I remember before I fell asleep, I

500
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:46.359
just I prayed. I said God, thank you for being there,

501
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:49.400
thank you for helping me, thank you for letting me

502
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:53.920
help Sean. So I woke up the next morning and

503
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:58.279
I just had this knowing. I had this understanding that

504
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.440
I was supposed to be there, I was supposed to

505
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:05.279
experience that, and I was supposed to help Sean. And

506
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:09.159
I'm like, okay, if that's that, then it is what

507
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:16.199
it is. So I go, well, I pack up my

508
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:20.840
camp and stuff, getting my car, heading out and say

509
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:22.840
a prayer. I'm like, yeah, wah, if there is anything

510
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:26.840
here at the enemy that thinks it has a foothold,

511
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:29.199
you know, to follow me home. It does not. I

512
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:31.159
do not allow it permission. And you shoe was named

513
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:31.440
my prey.

514
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:33.559
I men, well done, well done.

515
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:42.119
So I get home, and the spiritual warfare did not

516
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:48.039
stop there. And this whole thing has obviously been, you know,

517
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:53.440
a huge learning experience for me. But when I got home,

518
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:56.719
it almost felt like a piece of me was still there.

519
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:05.639
I would hear crickets and cicadas periodically in my home,

520
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:09.000
and you know, that's that's a prevalent sound in the woods.

521
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:11.199
That's all that I heard while I was there. So

522
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:17.880
just like a little you know, reminder. I'm not I'm

523
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:20.719
not really sure what the reasoning behind it was. But

524
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:25.480
and I also I would see things out of the

525
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:28.599
corner of my eye so much so that you do

526
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:30.719
like a double take, like you look and then you're like,

527
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:34.320
I know, I just saw something. And I have I

528
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:36.239
experienced that in the house that I grew up in,

529
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:45.679
but not my home now. Yeah, and then in every

530
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:48.000
room that I went in, and this isn't like my

531
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:54.079
house settling. It's like it's a weird pop now where

532
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:55.480
it's in the ceiling.

533
00:35:56.280 --> 00:36:01.679
Ah, yes, yes, And because I know exactly what we're

534
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:06.719
talking about. And then is that wild? Do you still

535
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:06.960
hear it?

536
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:13.159
And I'm like, when I hear it, I'm like, I know,

537
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:17.880
I know who you are, not really there you are? Yeah?

538
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:18.840
Yeah, no, I go.

539
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:24.679
And electricity was extremely weird around the lights, wood, buzz flicker,

540
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:32.920
just weird, weird anomalies. And about a week after, I

541
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:36.960
went on a beach strip with my family and I am,

542
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.760
we're in we've got a house. No we don't, we

543
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:42.679
rented it, but we're in a house on the beach

544
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:47.360
and I'm sitting outside by myself and it's at night,

545
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:51.960
and I hear something called my name from under the house,

546
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:54.840
and I can tell that it's intent is that it

547
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:55.280
wants me.

548
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.519
It's that it's that freaking clown from that movie.

549
00:36:58.920 --> 00:36:59.840
I don't know what it was.

550
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:03.679
It was. I'm just trying to lighten the mood, just

551
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:05.119
to touch now, you're fine.

552
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:08.800
If I tried to mimic it, that would definitely lighten

553
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:13.079
the mood because it's kind of okay. It was like JB.

554
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:16.960
Nice, so yes, And I could.

555
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:21.440
Tell that content it wanted me to go under the

556
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:22.280
house to look for it.

557
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:24.480
And I was like, I'm just gonna right like, who's

558
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:25.760
going to do that though, like.

559
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:29.719
That somebody in a movie would, but not me exactly.

560
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:36.840
So I go inside and I actually everybody else is asleep,

561
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:38.440
but I text the rest of the family just to

562
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:41.119
make sure. I'm like, are y'all messing with me? Because

563
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:45.519
let's let's also remember it's possible to probably still going

564
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:49.239
through PTSD at this point, Like I did crash out

565
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.119
for about a week where I was a shell of

566
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:56.679
a human being. I obviously had a paradigm shift, questioned

567
00:37:56.719 --> 00:38:00.480
my reality, question my whole world, but it aingered for

568
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:05.079
a while. So when they said no, we're not messing

569
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:09.039
with you, I was like, Okay, it's probably part of

570
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:15.039
the after effects of what I encountered. So and then

571
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:18.480
once I got back from the trip, this bookshelf behind me,

572
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:22.800
the pictures of me and my sisters were all faced down,

573
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:27.559
so I was like, all right, don't know what you

574
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:33.360
have against them? But noted. So the hitchhiker effect.

575
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:41.000
Israel absolutely and even if you even if you do

576
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:46.519
your due diligence, sometimes it doesn't matter. So it's like,

577
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:52.599
what is that you know? And I've been there, so

578
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:56.519
many people I know of it. Yeah, so's It's one

579
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:58.920
of those things. And this is why we do this,

580
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:00.000
because we keep learning.

581
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:07.440
Absolutely so I never really felt threatened by anything. I

582
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:11.800
never felt anything that wanted to, you know, physically harm me.

583
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:14.880
But I did one night kind of since something was

584
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:18.559
taking my energy, so I just shut it down and

585
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:21.440
I was like, absolutely not, you know, in the name

586
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:25.199
of you should get out. But I did not since

587
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:30.639
that after that, so that was good. But yeah, the

588
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:34.960
hitchhiker effect, in my opinion, it does not pick and choose,

589
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:42.039
and when you encounter high strangeness, you were definitely subject

590
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:47.400
to bringing that back. And what's interesting to me is

591
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:51.519
I went and I looked for this stuff in their home,

592
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:55.639
so it came to my home which is supposed to

593
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:59.400
be my safe place, and did checks on me, you know.

594
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:03.679
So that kind of correlation is just interesting to me.

595
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:09.199
But true story, it took me some time to obviously

596
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:16.920
process that. But did I go somewhere else? Was my

597
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:21.760
consciousness hijacked? I don't know. To this day, I don't know,

598
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:30.159
but it was definitely a learning a learning experience, and

599
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:36.599
I am kind of happy that it happened to me because,

600
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:39.480
like I said, I was praying for spiritual warfare and

601
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:44.639
all of these things that happen teaches you do not

602
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:47.559
be afraid, even though that's really hard sometimes not to

603
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:51.159
be afraid, but do not be afraid. And you can

604
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.920
lean you can lean on Jesus and he's going to

605
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:58.400
show up and he's going to be there. And spiritual

606
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:02.760
warfare doesn't just end when you want it to. H

607
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:05.480
it's gonna it's gonna keep going, and it's gonna keep

608
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:09.480
changing and you've got to change with it. You've got

609
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:11.920
to update your tactics, you've got to update your toolbox,

610
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:14.480
you've got to update all these things constantly.

611
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:30.360
But yeah, yeah, I totally understand. All right, So, yeah,

612
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:34.599
that's crazy. I mean, it's not crazy, it's it's I

613
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:39.000
can't say I've I've been through an exact experience, of course,

614
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:44.159
but my audience is gonna kill me.

615
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:45.400
But it rhymes.

616
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:51.079
That's what I always say. So let me ask you, though,

617
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:54.440
like you've so, you've probably analyzed this ad nauseum to

618
00:41:54.519 --> 00:42:01.280
an extent right day, maybe maybe maybe not? Uh, what

619
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:08.760
do you think The one thing that gets me is

620
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:15.280
you think that possibly you still feel like something of

621
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:16.039
you is there?

622
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:18.679
Right?

623
00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:22.920
What do you think that is? What do you now

624
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:24.000
do you still think that.

625
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:31.519
Not so much like the Hitchhecker effect. Obviously it died down,

626
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:34.840
like things, things are not as crazy as they were.

627
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:41.800
But I mean, if we think about it, I something

628
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:49.639
may have consciously hijacked me, my my perception and there

629
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.079
was you know, this this period of missing time, so

630
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:57.880
we don't really know what happened. Yeah, the possibilities are

631
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:04.480
actually endless. But you know, crazier things have have happened.

632
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:10.639
But possibly, you know, party fragmented. I'm not really sure,

633
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:11.159
you know.

634
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:14.880
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean there is I don't know.

635
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:16.559
I don't want to say like soul.

636
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:21.559
I know notation, but yeah, it's possible.

637
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:27.719
I mean, and those are because you're opening doors man,

638
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:31.960
when you're when you're doing that stuff and we've all

639
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.920
done it, you are, you're opening what you're opening yourself

640
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:41.280
to it. So but it's like why what What I

641
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:44.920
keep trying to wrap my head around in my research

642
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:49.199
is why they're like you're not in like you're out

643
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:53.800
in the middle of nowhere. So is it is it

644
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:57.840
actually where you're at, or is it who you're with

645
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.119
or you know what I'm saying, or is it just

646
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:05.320
that like it also is it says to me that

647
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:10.920
Tray said the phenomenon is following us. What does that mean?

648
00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:17.679
You know what I mean? Yeah, and this is this

649
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:21.199
is these are the these are the questions. We are

650
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:26.360
the questions, I think, and we can give theories, but

651
00:44:26.679 --> 00:44:27.320
that's what they are.

652
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:30.679
And at the end of the day, anybody that says

653
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:35.000
that they know be very wary of that because nobody knows.

654
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:38.360
We don't know. That's the bottom line.

655
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:49.719
But in my opinion, the phenomena Tray saying the phenomenon

656
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:55.559
is following us. I think intent, I think belief, I

657
00:44:55.639 --> 00:45:00.159
think frequency, I think geographical location. I think all all

658
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:03.079
of those things are relevant and do play a part

659
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:10.280
in it. And for some reason, Uh, very secluded areas

660
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:15.000
in the forest is where it resides away from people.

661
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:17.920
So I guess you could say it is it doesn't

662
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:18.639
like people, but.

663
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:26.119
Yeah, or is it just there because you're there or

664
00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:30.960
it's waiting. I you know, this could be so many

665
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:32.239
things we could.

666
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:35.559
We could have potentially been led there. Like I said,

667
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:41.400
I felt led to go. I mean, yeah, got what

668
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:43.280
you asked for I asked for it and more.

669
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:49.079
Yeah, that's uh, that's huge with this. So I just yeah,

670
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:51.559
I wrote a book on this whole, like dealing with

671
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:55.039
this stuff. It's part of my experience was dealing with

672
00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:59.400
the spiritual warfare side of this, not yet, but from

673
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:02.039
back to my childhood. But this is all part of

674
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:07.199
it because I had an experience. I've had multiple actually

675
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:12.880
very similar not yeah again they were, and I don't

676
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:16.039
really talk about it. So it's kind of cool that

677
00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:19.719
you're talking about it, and that brings it back to me.

678
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:24.559
And that's part of the reason I wrote The war

679
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:28.039
You Didn't Know you were in love that and it's

680
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:31.960
a it's a spiritual guidebook. And people that read it

681
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:36.079
understand they're like, wait, this is not just like it's

682
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:39.880
not the title, right, it's yeah, it's got to do

683
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:44.119
with there's alters, there's all kinds of stuff. So yeah,

684
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:50.480
and you know, soul fragmentation. There's all kinds of things

685
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:54.480
that we just don't get in this world, like in

686
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:57.679
our current understanding. And you know, there's a lot of

687
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:00.320
me that thinks that we are not supposed to get it.

688
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:05.199
We probably will at some point, but probably not in

689
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:13.159
this realm, right, And that's real to so many people,

690
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:18.960
and too many people just discount it out outright. So

691
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:24.119
thank you for sharing, and unless you're not done.

692
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:30.039
With that story, that's that's all I've got gotcha, and.

693
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:38.880
I think it's enough. You know, now, since then, have

694
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:43.480
what else have you experienced anything? I did go to

695
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:49.760
the l b L, which is again hot bed for

696
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:54.360
stuff like this, and there's there's geographical things there right

697
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:55.000
as you know.

698
00:47:56.480 --> 00:48:05.559
But I mean we we encountered potentially rakes a portal,

699
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:10.000
you know, just normal.

700
00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:17.559
Crazy, normal, fair normal. So did you see the rake?

701
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:18.960
There are three of them.

702
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:20.840
Crawling.

703
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:26.480
So we're standing there and looking up kind of this

704
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:30.480
hill and we're in a cemetery and I just see.

705
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:32.880
These of course, of course we're in a cemetery.

706
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.199
I just see these three figures in the line and

707
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:40.400
I think to myself for those headstones, and then I

708
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:43.199
kind of pause and I like focus in on it,

709
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:44.039
and they're.

710
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:49.440
Moving and I'm like the waving back and forth.

711
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.800
So yeah, but what was interesting is they did not

712
00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:56.760
show up on thermal. They did not show up on

713
00:48:56.880 --> 00:49:00.199
night vision, but with the naked eye, which is usually

714
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:00.760
not the case.

715
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:07.880
Yeah, wild, but they were so they weren't crawling, because

716
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:08.360
that's a thing.

717
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:13.480
Well, I have the survival instincts of a fart apparently,

718
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:17.960
But I had my back to it when it came

719
00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:20.960
at us, so did its thing? Yeah, so I didn't

720
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:26.880
see it run m Luckily for Natalie, she she saved us.

721
00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:35.119
All yeah, it so the portal to you? How did what?

722
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:35.920
Did it look like?

723
00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:38.800
Very faint? I mean I almost had a hard time

724
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:39.320
seeing it.

725
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:45.639
Now there's another question I've got I'm just needing. But

726
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:49.000
did it was it in it? Was it just in

727
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:53.719
like the opening or was it like attached to a

728
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:54.719
tree in any way?

729
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:59.559
It was so like the cemetery didn't have any trees,

730
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:03.400
but back in the woodline it was just a little

731
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:07.559
bit further back from from the tree lined and like

732
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:11.440
little twinkle lights almost around it. And then you just

733
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:18.199
saw like this oval, very faint, bluish, whitish looking.

734
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:23.440
Thing that shouldn't be there, gotcha, But in the trees,

735
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:30.639
in the trees perfect. I just we have theories, yeah right, yeah,

736
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:33.800
And my buddy just wrote another book, Liminal Trees. It's

737
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:42.239
called It's Pretty Wild. And this is ancient stuff like

738
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:47.039
that goes back before times thousands of years. Yeah, in

739
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:57.519
ancient ancient ancient things going on. Man, all right, I'm

740
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:01.599
kind of out of you I wouldn't say I'm at

741
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:05.199
a loss, which doesn't happen very often, but I just

742
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:10.239
like that's a pretty cool I mean, the crazy part

743
00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:15.360
is it's like your second time out, and that's like

744
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:18.320
going down, you know, and you're like, what the heck?

745
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:22.400
I mean, I'm saying that the story that you told

746
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:24.679
before is like the second time out lbl to be

747
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:29.360
your third, Like come on, yeah, it's almost like you're

748
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:37.920
meant to do this stuff. I'm just saying. So, I

749
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:41.719
guess the one thing is you've probably come up on

750
00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:45.679
a personal level with against some skepticism. Have you talked

751
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:50.760
about this with people that like your family, like have

752
00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:52.360
you really gone there with them?

753
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:56.679
Or So when I came home from you know, my

754
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:00.960
first real encounter whatever that was, I had to tell

755
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:01.480
my husband.

756
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:03.320
Of course.

757
00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:07.039
I mean I'm like, I can't, I can't you go

758
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:11.639
through this and not have him know? So, I mean

759
00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:15.360
that was hard because he's you know, he does not

760
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:19.119
want really anything to do with high strangeness, bickfoot all

761
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:23.679
the things. So yeah, but he was very understanding, very loving,

762
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:26.039
and like, hey, we'll get we'll get through this together.

763
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:31.119
And of course I told my sisters and they're probably like,

764
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:35.480
oh my gosh, yeah they didn't. They they were worried.

765
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:40.239
You know, they knew the ramifications. They knew, you know,

766
00:52:41.559 --> 00:52:47.239
I was probably having PTSD. So but now that I'm

767
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:51.960
talking about it openly, it doesn't really matter. You know.

768
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:56.119
If there are skeptics, then then matter this diead happen.

769
00:52:57.280 --> 00:52:59.639
My intent with all of this is that I might

770
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:03.440
help somebody, because when I went through this, it was

771
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:06.679
like I had nobody to talk to about it. I

772
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:11.320
the group Seekers did help me, yes, but I really

773
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:15.480
wanted to find a source of you're experiencing this, this

774
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:18.280
is going on, you'll probably experience this. It's going to

775
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:21.119
be okay, though, And I just want to be that

776
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:24.400
person to somebody, even if it's one person, to help

777
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:26.760
them get through it, because you will get through it

778
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:27.800
and you will be okay.

779
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:32.760
So where where do you want this to go?

780
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:37.239
I guess wherever wherever God wants it to go.

781
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:41.519
Yeah, but you feel like you're still in it, Like

782
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:46.199
you feel like you like, did it. Did these experiences

783
00:53:48.280 --> 00:53:55.639
harden your resolve to uh to participate?

784
00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:56.679
It's the fire?

785
00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:02.519
Yeah, so well let's go. I'm just you know, some

786
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:04.920
people they're like, Nope, never going in the woods again,

787
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:06.639
and I hate that kind of thing.

788
00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:06.920
I do.

789
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:09.960
You know, there's a lot of innocent people out there

790
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:15.360
that are hunting, camping, just doing innocent things and they

791
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:19.400
encounter this stuff and it it ruins their love of

792
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:23.199
the outdoors. It probably ruins a lot of things for them,

793
00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:27.239
but it's it's unfortunate. So and that's another thing, you know,

794
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:31.920
I feel like a lot of these sidings encounters are

795
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:36.079
going to ramp up. They are ramping up, I feel

796
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:40.239
like they are. Yeah, and people need an outlet, people

797
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:42.480
need a source to go to. And that's why I'm

798
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:45.199
thankful for people like you've been that have this kind

799
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:48.360
of platform and give them a way to answer the

800
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:52.920
questions that they can't get answered. You know, no offense

801
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:55.400
to the church, but the church doesn't really know how

802
00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:58.320
to handle this stuff. Nobody knows how to handle stuff.

803
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:05.760
Some obviously very fond of you of between Yeah, well, yeah,

804
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:09.039
it's so much well yeah, it's so much bigger. I'm

805
00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:14.119
not going to get on my soapbox about that, but

806
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:20.400
you know, I've had some experiences really over the past

807
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:25.599
year that showed me, you know that I think we're

808
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:31.480
dealing in a I think the Church in a lot

809
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:34.800
of ways is just handling all this completely in it.

810
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:38.559
It's not even the Church, sorry, it's just the it's

811
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:42.960
Christianity in general. I think that people don't understand what's

812
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:47.599
actually going on. So with that, it doesn't mean people

813
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:51.440
are wrong or bad or it just means that they're

814
00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:57.719
not as educated as they could be. Yeah, and that

815
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:06.480
this is real and that these problems exist, these things

816
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:10.679
and I say problems, but this stuff exists and there's

817
00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:13.280
things you can do about it. That's I guess what

818
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:17.599
I'm trying to get at is is that we're in

819
00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:22.039
a war that you don't think you're people don't understand it,

820
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:29.320
they don't realize it that, uh, it's beyond it's beyond tribal.

821
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:36.599
It's beyond you know, red versus Blue. It's beyond uh,

822
00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:42.239
you know, the Patriots versus the Seahawks. It's beyond all

823
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:47.000
these things that it's literally good versus evil. And then

824
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:49.559
there's a lot of gray in the middle of things

825
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:57.079
that are just here so and might not play for

826
00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:04.800
either side. So there you go. Anyway, wrapping things up

827
00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:09.079
this obviously, the name of this podcast is Broadcasting Seeds,

828
00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:13.760
and I like the guests to plant some seeds as

829
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:20.039
we leave the episode, So plant away, broadcast away, whatever

830
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:21.199
seeds you want to plant.

831
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:26.239
So I did want to say that when this happened

832
00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:30.239
to me, I obviously had to find a resource that

833
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:35.639
would teach me about what I encountered. And the only

834
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:41.239
people that truly did that were Nathaniel Gillis and Steve Mehra.

835
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:48.039
Their research into the phenomenon is impeccable and they are

836
00:57:48.079 --> 00:57:52.360
doing amazing work, and I highly recommend people to look

837
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:56.079
into that because it affects all of us. So say

838
00:57:56.119 --> 00:58:01.480
the names again, Nathaniel Gillis and Steve Merrick. Yeah, yeah,

839
00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:06.079
but yeah, I told myself I have to give them

840
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:09.880
the credit, you know where it's due.

841
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:11.320
Where can people find them?

842
00:58:11.719 --> 00:58:15.400
So Steve Marra has a YouTube channel and they do

843
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:20.480
NHI discussions on there. They really drill down. And then

844
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:23.480
Nathaniel Gillis, I mean, if you just type him into YouTube,

845
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:30.400
he's he's all our place, so he yes, but yeah,

846
00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:37.840
it's it's crazier, it's wilder, it's it's more insane than

847
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:38.719
people realize.

848
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:45.440
Mm hmm. True story. So let everyone know again where

849
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:46.159
they can find you.

850
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:51.239
So I am on the beyond the ordinary. Podcast. They

851
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:55.480
release new episodes every Sunday, and I am on you,

852
00:58:56.079 --> 00:59:00.320
not YouTube. I'm on Facebook and Instagram as Jamie high

853
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:04.360
Road k A I R O yep.

854
00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:10.239
Okay, all right, Jamie, thank you so much for coming on.

855
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:11.039
Thank you, Bennett.

856
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:16.039
I appreciate it absolutely anytime. Anytime you have new stuff,

857
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:21.000
just let me go. We'll get hit. Come on and

858
00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:24.320
tell some crazy We'll do all.

859
00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:30.119
Right, I want to lack you up.

860
00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:36.960
Just then, just a know, the trie.

861
00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:58.480
Some dirt green steady didn't crossing.

862
00:59:55.239 --> 00:59:55.760
The woods.

863
00:59:55.840 --> 01:00:01.719
World e breath, every shadow fell, watch him, every.

864
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:05.519
Stuff could wake. The dirt fell to crying.

865
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:09.840
My spine like who was there? Wasn't man.

866
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:23.519
Something of me? I was never mantasy, while never loud.

867
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:33.000
Then the cry was I left something not was?

868
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:35.280
It followed me?

869
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:41.480
So it fooed me.

870
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:52.480
Some got twisted, dount and broke and foughty minutes gone

871
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:57.079
like smoke. I was standing in the same place, but

872
01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:00.079
the world, and it was shown.

873
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:03.800
Captor and cray like you was die and shapes were

874
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:05.639
building out of face.

875
01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:08.880
I could see it reaching through.

876
01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:12.679
Meals, cat slip between two planes.

877
01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:15.079
Tried to speak for lost my name.

878
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:18.440
Only one thing broke the chad.

879
01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:24.840
Stopping moments, say it, say follow me.

880
01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:28.679
I was never meant to see.

881
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:30.880
I was never.

882
01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:39.320
Now lit me slap in the quiet lost. I loved

883
01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:49.519
something of what I find a lesson was follow me.

884
01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:13.800
S Call it madness, call it something in between. But

885
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:19.760
I know, I remember, believe if it breaks me clean,

886
01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:23.280
there's all you never know it is.

887
01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:27.800
Still it's knocking at your door in the things you

888
01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:32.159
thought a story, stopping shoting something.

889
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:41.760
You don't go looking for it.

890
01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:48.559
It decides when you see that once it knows your name.

891
01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:58.800
Stop left, stopping it. Wait, can it follow me? I

892
01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:03.920
was never metine, I was never alone.

893
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:11.559
Now the night slip and the quiet was didn't leave.

894
01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:16.440
Those must be beside. They're still inside my brain.

895
01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:33.159
The swim the tree. Still hear them call the swing

896
01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:34.159
the tree.

897
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:40.280
I never left at all,