April 29, 2025

Inquiries of Our Reality: A Journey with Shane Jones

Inquiries of Our Reality: A Journey with Shane Jones
Inquiries of Our Reality: A Journey with Shane Jones
The Broadcasting Seeds Podcast
Inquiries of Our Reality: A Journey with Shane Jones

In this mind-expanding episode of Broadcasting Seeds, we team up with Shane Jones from Inquiries of Our Reality to explore the hidden layers of existence. From cryptids and conspiracies to the supernatural and the unexplained, we dig into the...

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In this mind-expanding episode of Broadcasting Seeds, we team up with Shane Jones from Inquiries of Our Reality to explore the hidden layers of existence. From cryptids and conspiracies to the supernatural and the unexplained, we dig into the questions that challenge mainstream narratives and awaken deeper curiosity. Strap in — reality is stranger than you think.


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All right, we're live, Shane, tell us who you are

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and what you do.

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What's up? Man? I am Shane Jones from multiple podcasts actually, uh,

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Anchories of Our Reality and Bizarre Encounters with Shannon Oran,

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and uh, you know, I've been podcasting now for going

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on like three years or so, on top of you know,

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doing my own little side ventures research all that kind

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of stuff. But I guess at the heart of it, man,

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I'm a researcher, a podcaster, an investigator, and you know

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what was a father to Yeah?

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For sure? How long have you been podcasting?

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About three years or so?

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Now?

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I think the fourth season is about to start up

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for both my shows in April and June, so it's like,

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you know, a season ahead, so it should be just

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starting the third year in about two three weeks or

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stuff something like that.

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Yeah, and where what's the best place? So obviously people

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can find you everywhere, right, but what's the place? I mean,

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you know, tell us where they can find you, but

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also what's the place you want people to go?

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Like? Well, I guess the one per I guess would

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be if anybody uses spreaker, just because that's my main

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one that I use. I get a little bit of

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a boost if anybody use a speaker. But realistically, at

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the end of the day, you know, I'm on Spotify,

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I'm on Amazon, I'm on iTunes, I'm on any podcast

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or you happen to look up, and on YouTube and

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stuff of course, so anywhere you look up increase while reality,

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I have that whole feed taken and Bizarre Encounters with

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Shane and Oran sounds a little bit long, but there

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was this whole story behind it that about a year

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ago or so, some other podcasts decided to start up

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and call themselves Bizarre Encounters Podcast after we'd been running

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Bizarre Encounters for a couple of years, so it started

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messing up all of our feeds and everything. So in

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order to separate it, I did Bizarre Encounters with Shane

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and Oran, and I think that other show stopped, but

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I just kind of left it. So if you see

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that long annoying name, yes, that one is me.

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That one is me. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty funny.

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So hey, you gotta have some kind of ownership over

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your shows.

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Like oh absolutely so, so speakers the place, right, because yeah,

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you do get a little bit of a boost. I

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just actually moved everything migrated everything to Spreaker. I'd been

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running through like importing the speaker and then kicking out,

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but now I just made them my my base honestly.

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I mean for the price and all the stuff they offer.

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Though for anybody honestly starting up a podcast, actually I

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wouldn't say it's like the best for if you just

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started out. I would say like anchor or one of

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the free ones, for sure, if you just started. I

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guess even Spreaker has like a free version. But didn't

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you get rolling a bit and you start getting listeners

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and you get monetized and all that stuff. There's no

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better choice than Spreaker, at least at this current time.

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But it's always shifting, as I'm sure you've seen this podcast.

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Oh oh my gosh.

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Yeah, I Circle was the one for a minute. Now

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it's like everybody.

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And now I was on Red Circle for about a

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day and some things just didn't happen the way that

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I wanted them to. When I was like, you know what,

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this is not right, I'm going to so I just

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took everything again, went from Bean to Red Circle and

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then straight I'm just all out of Spreaker now. Yeah.

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See I started off with Anchor and then I temporarily

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switched to pod Being for like a day a Red Circle.

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I switched to that one, ran that one for a while,

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thought it was really good until I started seeing what

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other people were doing with Spreaker, and then I had

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Jeremiah from Bigfoot Society. I was like, man, you gotta

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get on Speaker. And then I also had who was it, uh,

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Bryan's Brian uh from Sasquatch Odyssey. Yeah, yeah, yeah, then

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he was like, yeah, you got to switch over to Spreaker.

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So I just had too many other good podcasts.

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The only the only one that convinced me to go

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to Red Circle he did, and then it just didn't

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work out was uh the guys from Cryptids of Corn.

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Circle and I so I tried it and I literally

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last a day.

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So I did jumped from there because I had Jerry

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from well now the late Jerry from Hillbilly Horror Stories.

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Uh, he he was the one that told me to

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do that, which I'm pretty sure he's the same one

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that sold Tony Markle at the time and Crypts of

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the Corn, so yeah, I think he was the one

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that started the bowl, the ball rolling down on that one,

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probably we all switched over and then yeah, no.

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I did like it. It just didn't have everything that

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I wanted exactly the way that I wanted it. So whatever. Anyway,

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strikers neater anyways, it's just and and they give you

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boosts for doing things with them.

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So I actually have sponsors that aren't you know, just

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random Spanish ads.

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So right, isn't that bizarre.

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I I'm not trying to say ads are good for anybody,

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but I don't know about you, but I would rather

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hear like a McDonald's ad on a podcast than like, oh,

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here's your thing for some off the wall drug or

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prescription that you might want to take. Here's this thing

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for this local random thing like it just it sounds

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a little bit better if it's just a quick, you know,

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bigger head, you know, like they got better sponsors for

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the shows anyways, for sure.

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So all right, so with that being said, what what

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was your gateway to this world of high strength? Like

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mine was Bigfoot? What what got you into this crazy

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land that we live in? Well?

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I guess this is kind of a complex question with

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multiple possible answers depending on if you're asking podcasts, what

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started getting me into like believing in the possibility of

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stuff being off or just paranormal experiences in general.

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You want to go, Yeah, so like literally what what

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guy you intrigued in the whole? Just in in life

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in general, the whole, like did you have an experience

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when you were a kid or or what? You know

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what I mean, So.

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It kind of has like multiple steps. That's why I

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was kind of asking for that question. So when I

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was a kid, of course, I grew up having these

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astral travel experiences, except I didn't exactly know what they

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were at the time, but I just remember like I

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would like see myself sleeping in the bed still and

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I would like walk around and like traverse around like

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reality around me, and that was super duper weird. I

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didn't again, didn't quite know where to place that. But

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then of course that as I got older started kind

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of leading into some other stuff such as some shadow

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people experiences sleep paralysis. And I can definitely get into

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this way, however, if afterwards if you'd like me too.

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But also on top of that, I also had my

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grandma who was one hundred percent Cherokee. They would always

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grow up telling me all these folklore stories about like

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Native American like cryptids, folklore, like all these different things too.

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So I kind of had this combination of these like

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weird astro travel experiences, and I also had growing up

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hearing all of these like folklore stories. And then from that,

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of course, you start kind of questioning like what's real

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what's not, and you start really starting to like tear

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things apart. So like the first like on a solid

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real world thing that started connecting everything for me just

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because I was in first grade when it happened, but

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it ended up being nine to eleven weirdly enough, That's

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when I like really really started questioning stuff, which kind

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of led the ball down to like looking into like,

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all right, do aliens exist? Does Bigfoot exist? Does this exist?

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Does you know? Or does the government lying to us?

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Which for most people in this field, I know, you know,

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some people stick to squatch, some people stick to this,

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but it's kind of like an avalanche to me, like

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once it starts, it all just kind of rolls in

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all those other things. So and then of course I

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have had a multiple multitude of just weird different sightings

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and all that kind of stuff through the years, and

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then inevitably led into me kind of researching all this

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stuff and investigating it myself, and which led eventually into

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like the podcast and eventually kind of where I am

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now as far as you know, doing the two shows.

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One of them's interview styles so that I can talk

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to people about their experiences, their research, start connecting stuff

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like that. And then the other side, my other show

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is primarily like me and my co host doing deep

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dives in research. So kind of has two different sides

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of the spectrum depending on, like, you know, what I'm

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feeling at the time, because you know, one of them

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you want to be able to do your deep dives

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and research, the other one you want to do your interviews,

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and most people just kind of want one or the others.

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So I kind of made two different places to take

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individual type of show. But yeah, like I said, it's

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been like a like a constant spiral of just like

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weird events that have happened. I know, I have this

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one particular sighting that I'm sure a lot of people

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like hearing about, so I definitely can get into that

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and set the pace for that one. But that's kind

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of honestly what opened the door for me, step by

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step was just multiple events, just kind of opening the

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door a little bit more each time, until eventually the

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door was just completely blown wide and I just immersed

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myself in verse. You know.

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Yeah, those doors don't last long.

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No, especially once they start cracking at the seams. Man,

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It's only so long before they completely bust out. Like

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I said, it's like an avalanche. Man.

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So what is what is your favorite subject?

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Honestly, it kind of shifts depending on what I'm into

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at the current time. But as far as I usually

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like diving into different like types of creatures, beings, entities, folklore,

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So that kind of sounds like a broad range of things.

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But yeah, you know, aliens, cryptids, the paranormal, different weird

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entities and sightings and everything, just because for me at least,

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that's like the connection that I need to like open

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everything up to the real world. So it's like for me,

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that's the one that's the closest for me to be

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able to actually be able to full blow and like investigate.

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Like I definitely dive into like government conspiracies and all

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that kind of stuff. But at the end of the day, yeah,

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like I can't you know, get this document that I need.

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I can't get this that I need. Like, there's only

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so much moving around you can do unless you have

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connections as far as like whistle blowing or letting out conspiracies.

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But you know, when it comes to and trying to

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investigate the paranormal UFOs aliens all that kind of stuff,

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it's a little bit more hands on where you can

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actually get out in the field and actually try to

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do something, talk to people with sightings, and it just

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opens the door more for you being able to do

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your own research and not basically just wait at the

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beck and call of like the government releasing documents for example,

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or you know, astrophysicists releasing the next big crazy idea

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opening a portal, or whatever else happens to be at

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the time.

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I am finding especially well with you growing up with

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a Cherokee grandmother. Cherokees had the best stories. Man, have

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some good stories, and I think it's indicative of where

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they're from or where the with the Appalachian Mountains and

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the you know, western North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, the whole

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that whole area. They got some really good stories. So

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you were kind of blessed growing up with that stuff.

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I think, man, I heard a lot about different sasquatch stuff.

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I heard about like thunderbirds, I heard about Uktena, all

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that kind of stuff. And the cool part was I

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live up in Michigan and my grandma lives up in Michigan,

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but her family was from down in Georgia and she

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used to still make it down there. So she used

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to go down for pow wows and all that kind

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of stuff all the time up until she eventually like

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got a little bit older and got into some accents

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and she just wasn't his mobile and stuff. But you know,

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it was cool. Well, she still kind of had that

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real world connection where she was going back, she was

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hearing new stories, she was going to the pow wow.

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I wasn't hearing about new stories and everything and then

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coming home and sharing them. So honestly, it was It

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was a super nice thing growing up. And it's one

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of those things that those people that you wish were

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just around a little bit longer, so you could have

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appreciated it a little bit more because she passed away.

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Unfortunately when I was in seventh grade, and I didn't

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get heavy, heavy into researching all this stuff other than

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just kind of hearing them from her and stuff until

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like high school. So you know, if she could have

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just been around for an extra five years, man, I

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could have opened the door on so many differs.

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So Michigan.

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So what we got up there as far as like

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creatures and sightings and.

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Everything like what and where art where in Michigan?

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Well, for me, I lived near like the Detroit area

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for example, But as far as like Michigan sightings and everything.

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This is probably one of the first first best times

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you probably could have asked me because I actually just

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put together an episode that's gonna end a dropping this

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one's day. I don't know when this is gonna release,

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but it's gonna be on Bizarre Encounter, so it'll probably

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already the count. It's called Michigan Mysteries. And what I

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was trying to do.

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Is can I'll make sure that I bring it up Michigan.

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It's gonna be Bizarre Encounters Episode one eleven. But on

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that one I ended up trying to dive into not

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just like the stuff that people know about from Michigan,

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but like some really really weird, like obscure things, because

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you know, Michigan wise, everybody knows about the Michigan dog Man,

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or at least anybody in this community kind of has

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some ideas in the Michigan dog Man. And I've you know,

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done enough research on that that, you know, I found

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some weird stuff that not a lot of people have

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like probably dived into as far as the Michigan dog Man.

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So it's one of those things that at least on

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the show, I kind of felt like I blooded dry,

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so I was trying not to do that in that

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particular episode. But you know, on top of that, Michigan's

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had a bunch of Sasquatch sightings, we got a bunch

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of UFO sightings. And actually there's a city that's over

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on the Lake Michigan side of Michigan, and it's supposed

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to be I think number three top location for UFO

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abductions at least back in like the seventies and eighties.

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Where is that?

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That's a I don't even explain it. It's Michigan, you know,

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you as a map.

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But I do know Michigan pretty well, like I have

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family in fruit Port.

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It's midway up the state over on like the Lake

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Michigan South. It's because there's the Lake Michigan Triangle over there,

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and it kind of like touches around like where the

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corner of that's at, which is about mid state up

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over on like the coast of the state, gotcha, okay,

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But yeah, so on top of that, you know, Michigan's

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had it's a little bit of everything. And then Detroit

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of course has a lot of the occult stuff going on.

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Not a lot of people know this, but we have

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the Masonic Temple, which is a pretty common venue hall

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and that was actually a Masonic temple that was started

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by Crowley himself, I believe, back in like the nineteen twenties.

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So you know, kind of funny that a lot of

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people go to that place as a concert, not realizing

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that it's like was literally started by like Alister Crowley.

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So there's this weird underlying accult side of Detroit. You know,

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you go north and you have all these weird different

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creature sidings in the woods. You go over to the

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other side of the state and you start getting over

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to the Lake Michigan Triangle and you have all the

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UFO stuff. So there's kind of just depending on what

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area in Michigan you're in, there's a little bit of

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something weird going on.

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Man, that's nuts target rich, right, So you brought up

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something in the when you were talking about it, and

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you talked about kicking into that, and now I can't

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I didn't write it down.

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Are you talking about my creature sighting?

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Yes?

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So I guess to kind of lay this one out

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a little bit. This also will pertain to Michigan, So

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I guess two births, one cent baout. Actually. So, so,

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my girlfriend and I used to go urban exploring back

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when we had first met, and this was probably around

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like twenty thirteen or so. For anybody that's not familiar

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with what urban exploring is, it's basically when you sneak

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into abandoned buildings. People had different purposes for that. Of course,

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some people vandalize, you know, some people paranormal investigate. Some

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people just go there to you know, do things they're

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not supposed to do. But you know, for us, at least,

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you know, we kind of respected the buildings because we

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used to just find it kind of beautiful that just

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to see the weird destruction and all, like the plants

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going through everything. So my girlfriend was a photographer, so

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she'd always go and take pictures and I of course

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was into like the weird stuff, so I kind of

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do like my own little like paranormal investigating, but I

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was this was very like I didn't understand what I

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was doing at the time. So I'll kind of lead

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into the story because there's multiple settings that happen at

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this place, but I always like to talk about it.

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But Northfield Psychiatric Hospital, so this place isn't just one

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main building. It's like a full campus. There's you know, dorms,

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there's the main hospital, there's like churches, there's like a gym,

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there's there's a bunch of different stuff, and it's just

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just this big campus and you know, just like most

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mental institutions, that's got its tumultuous history with a lot

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of mistreatment of the patiment patients and everything. So we

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heard all this weird stuff about it, figured it be

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a perfect place to go and start you know, urban

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exploring at. So we started going to this place, and

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we got to a point where we started going almost

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every single weekend, and we started like mapping this place out.

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We know where all the buildings were. I found like

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amateur maps people did online, and I tried to reconnect

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for all the tunnels and everything like that we're at

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and one of the first times that we had gone there.

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And again, like I said, this was before I really

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started diving into how to paranormal investigate properly. I had

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found a no smoking sign and I had also found

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a it'll take a teaky head that was made out

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of like foam or something that somebody like cut with

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like a butter knife or something like. My assumption was

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it was probably something made by one of the patients

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at the time and like arts and crafts, because you know,

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you can't give them a piece of wood and a

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knife to whittle something, so a piece of foam and

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like a butter knife or something might work perfect. But

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it was just this really crudely painted styrofoam. I'd like

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teaky head, but I thought it was really weird. So

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I thought it was like, all right, cool, I'm gonna

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take this thing home. So end up taking this thing

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home and my girlfriend and I walking the door we

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go to like put a backpacks down and everything, and

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the way the front rooms set up, there's like you

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walk in the front door, there's the stairs going upstairs,

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and then there's the front room, and then there's the

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kitchen behind that, and then there's like two doorways, so

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it like circles around. So we going upstairs, put our

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backpacks up, come back downstairs, and I'm staying at the

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base of the stairs. My girlfriend goes to walk into

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the kitchen and as she goes to walk into the kitchen,

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both of us lock direct eye contact with this dark

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figure sitting on the couch and she ends up belineing

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past it because it was like one of those moments

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of fear where she just didn't know what to do,

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so she just continued on with what she was doing.

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So she like walks right past this thing when she's

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standing like an inch in front of it on the couch,

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loops back around, looks at me. I look at her.

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She goes, you saw that, right. I'm like, you saw

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that too, right, And we look back and the thing

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isn't there anymore. So I'm like, all right, that was weird.

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So later on that night, I'm always a night owl.

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I've always been a night owl. So I'm up late,

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I'm watching TV doing all that kind of stuff. My

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girlfriend falls asleep and I am just sitting there watching

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TV and I start hearing like movement in the hallway

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and it sounds like footsteps walking down the hallway, and

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then I hear a doom dooomdomoh, and it sounds like

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somebody gets pushed down the stairs. And as that happens,

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my girlfriend springs up. She looks at me, and I go,

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what just happened? She goes, I just had a dream

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I got pushed down the stairs. And I'm like, well,

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that's weird because I just heard somebody fall down the stairs.

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And we both went in the hallway. We like peeked

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around and everything like that. And up to this point,

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like my girlfriend knew nothing about my like astral travel

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experiences or sleeperalysis experiences or anything like that from when

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I was like a teenager growing up or anything. So

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I sat down had to like explain to her what

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all this stuff was. And the next day I decided, like,

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it's probably a good idea to bring these items back

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because I'm assuming that that teaky head in particular, probably

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was whatever that thing was attached to. So after that,

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we started kind of being a little bit more cautious

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with this place, of course, but we got to a

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point where, like, you know, every time we go there,

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we take pictures we do this, we do that, and

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you know, with pictures, there's only so much you can

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really do with it, Like you'd always find orbs and everything,

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but these old dusty buildings, like it can go either way.

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You know, it might be an orb it might just

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be dust. So, you know, we just kind of wanted

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to get a little bit more out of this place.

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So we kind of just started to explore a little

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bit into some other places that we hadn't been before,

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like such as the tunnels. We started kind of figuring

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out where all of those and everything were. But in

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the process of us trying to figure out like where

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these tunnels and everything were, and I'll get into like

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the main experience that happened in these tunnels, there was

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one day that we were up on the third floor

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and this was like the only like semi paranormal experience

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that had like really happened like at the location besides

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my like main experience. But we were up on like

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the third floor, I believe, and I heard this door

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just slam shut, like as as hard as you could

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possibly slam a door shut, And it ended up being

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this blue door that had this like smiley face that

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was on it, and The weird part was that all

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the windows, ironically on this floor at least in this area,

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like none of them are busted out, so there wasn't

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wind or nothing like that. Ended up leaving the door

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open to see if it would slam shut again, and

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nothing ever ended up happening, not even a wiggle from

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this door. So I was like, all right, that's something

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kind of weird. That's something interesting. So, like I said,

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just little kind of minuscule things like natterly than the

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one thing end up following me home and everything. But

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this might connect into the main experience. I've never really

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been able to fully tell if it does or not,

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so I always just tell it just for the sake

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of if it does connect or maybe connect some dots

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and somebody's had out there. But so Michigan not really

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known for cougars or anything, especially not the Detroit area,

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like maybe up north, you know, maybe out in the

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rural areas, like you'll find some cougars, but you're not

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gonna find any near the Detroit area or near North

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Hill where this place was, which is just like an

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offshoot of Detroit. But so we're in the building, we're

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looking out the back windows and there's this like back patio,

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uh set that or back patio area that kind of

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leads into this like wooded area. And actually, little funny

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side note, you are you a horror fan? Have you

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ever heard of the movie? It follows?

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Yeah, I'm not a horror fan per se, but I

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have I know it follows. I know that.

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Have you seen the movie though I haven't. Okay, So

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there's a part where the thing transfers over to the

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girl and you know, they're doing their hanky panky whatever

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in a car that's in this like in this abandoned

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lot that has this building in the background that's North

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Hill actually, so if anybody's ever seen that movie, that

472
00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:28.400
exact spot is the exact lot that I'm talking about,

473
00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:30.680
behind this building that leads into the woods and everything,

474
00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:33.279
which I always thought was really cool. But get back

475
00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:36.319
into the into the experience. So we're looking back into

476
00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:39.079
those woods and we see this this cougar walk out

477
00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:41.839
and it looks up at us, and then it ends

478
00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:43.599
up looking back down and it just kind of links.

479
00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:46.720
Is it just like a regular cougar, not like a

480
00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:50.559
not a black cougar, or had you know a weird

481
00:22:50.720 --> 00:22:52.920
size or anything it's just a regular cougar.

482
00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:55.440
Just looked like it was just just straight up regular cougar.

483
00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:57.279
But again, it's just weird in the area, Like I

484
00:22:57.319 --> 00:22:59.559
normally wouldn't think anything of it, but like, this is

485
00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:03.160
not an area where cougars are like ever seen. And

486
00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:05.759
I ended up looking it up a little bit and

487
00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:08.480
apparently there was a few random cougar sightings in that area,

488
00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:11.240
and it's enough that it's newsworthy, you know, because cougars

489
00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:13.880
again aren't seen near the city. So something weird. I

490
00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:15.640
don't know if it connects into this whole thing, but

491
00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:17.640
I always tell it just for the sake of it,

492
00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:21.720
because maybe it does. But so, like I was kind

493
00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:26.359
of mentioning before with the Northfield tunnels, these tunnels will

494
00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:28.519
they basically connect all into the city. They were like

495
00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:31.240
access points. They don't also use them for like transferring

496
00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:33.680
patients from like building the building and stuff like that too,

497
00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:37.480
But so they had like many different purposes, but they're

498
00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:39.960
still there. They connect underneath the city and everything like that.

499
00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:42.799
And we'd gotten to a point where we had urban

500
00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:44.759
explored this place so much that we were just like,

501
00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:46.680
all right, you know, maybe we need to try to

502
00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:49.079
find something else to be able to start exploring. And

503
00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:51.480
the only reason we hadn't really gone down there before

504
00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:53.480
was just because of the fact of you know, if

505
00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:55.599
you run out of lights and you're two miles into

506
00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:57.240
this tunnel, you know, you got to feel your way

507
00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:00.440
all the way back, all the way back the pitch

508
00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:04.680
black because this is like underground, like, yeah, no partial

509
00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:08.920
spot sticking up like it's it's underground like. So we

510
00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:10.519
were like, all right, maybe we'll just kind of go

511
00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:12.079
in there a little bit. We won't go too far.

512
00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:14.039
We got some extra batteries. We'll just kind of see

513
00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:15.640
what this place is all about. Because this is like

514
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:18.319
the place where a lot of the stories go back

515
00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:20.359
in the eighties where there's these you know, during the

516
00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:25.559
Satanic panic and everything, people getting sacrifice down in these tunnels,

517
00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:28.240
and all these ghost stories down in these tunnels. So

518
00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:30.440
this is like the nitty gritty of like where most

519
00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:32.200
of the lore from North Hill comes from is from

520
00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:34.279
in these tunnels. So we're like, all right, we're gonna

521
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:37.119
check this place out. So I know that there's an

522
00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:39.240
access point that you can get into through the basement

523
00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:41.799
of the hot Main hospital, so you won't actually have

524
00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:43.480
to try to find one of the ground hatches, which

525
00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:45.240
I did find one of the ground hatches, but the

526
00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:47.799
ladder going down there's pretty yanky, so I was trying

527
00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:49.279
to find another way or I don't have to take

528
00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:52.519
a janky ass ladder. So going into this place, we

529
00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:56.640
go into the main hospital and you go down this

530
00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:59.759
staircase that's over by one of the main entrance stores,

531
00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:02.680
and that'll lead down into where there's one of the

532
00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:04.799
access points into the basement. Because there's a bunch of

533
00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:06.559
doors and everything that are welded shut, so you kind

534
00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:08.799
of had to know like where you can get through

535
00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:11.640
where people have busted stuff out. Yeah, that was like

536
00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:13.000
half the part of which you had. The map was

537
00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:14.480
you could look up a hospital map if you had

538
00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:16.680
to figure out where you could access and get through,

539
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:18.960
because that was the hard part. But so I knew

540
00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:20.720
that there was an access point down into the basement

541
00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:22.200
from this side, So we ended up going in through

542
00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:25.680
this side, go down into the basement, and as I'm

543
00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:30.000
going down the stairs, there's this doorway looking thing to

544
00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:32.440
the right of me. I wouldn't say it's like necessarily doorway,

545
00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:34.680
but it was like a brick wall that somebody had

546
00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:37.200
removed all the bricks from and made a doorway. But

547
00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:40.200
it wasn't like, you know, teenagers or somebody else like

548
00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:42.160
did it. It looked like at one point when the hospital

549
00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:44.720
was operating, they move this part of the wall to

550
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:46.920
create like an additional room or some kind of storage

551
00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:49.759
or something down there. So it was like professionally removed brick.

552
00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:50.920
So I was like, all right, this might be a

553
00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:53.480
cool spot to go into the tunnels from so I

554
00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:56.640
could start going down. I turned into that room. There's me,

555
00:25:57.359 --> 00:25:59.839
my girlfriend and I And as I walk into this

556
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:03.559
I hear this disembodied voice to the right of me,

557
00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:06.559
right in my ear, and it says run. And as

558
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:09.160
I hear this thing say run, I'm looking directly in

559
00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:11.920
front of me and there's this like metal hospital cart,

560
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:13.599
like the you know, like the gurdies that they push

561
00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:16.240
her on in the hallways. And this thing goes to

562
00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:21.079
stand up, and it's this like tall, lanky, decrepit bluish

563
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:26.000
gray skin toned like deformed, like not normal, like it

564
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:27.799
wasn't a person Like this thing was like tall and

565
00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:30.400
lanky and was not shaped like a normal person. And

566
00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:32.039
I was looking at this thing from the back and

567
00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:35.000
as it starts to stand up. I see this like long, black,

568
00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:37.759
greasy like hair on the top of its head, and

569
00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:39.720
the thing's not wearing any clothes, like I said, it's

570
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:43.440
got this like decayed skin color. And I just take

571
00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:45.000
off out of this place after seeing that. I have

572
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:47.119
my girlfriend in her front with me, and I didn't

573
00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:48.640
even tell them what I saw because I didn't want

574
00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:50.519
them to look back freak out. I'm just trying to

575
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:51.839
get them out of there because I don't know what

576
00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:54.839
the hell this thing is. And as we're trying to

577
00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:57.759
run out of the hospital, my girlfriend's snapping some pictures

578
00:26:57.799 --> 00:26:59.680
behind her, and I can actually send you some of

579
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:02.079
them after the show, but she ends up snapping pictures

580
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:05.119
of whatever the hell this thing was. But the weird

581
00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:07.799
part about it was that whatever I saw was very

582
00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:11.680
physical looking, but obviously whatever whispered in my ear was not.

583
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:16.000
And whatever she captured this picture, it's like transparent, like

584
00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:18.039
it looks like an apparition, So it's kind of this

585
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:21.359
it's not it was like a creature sighting, but it's

586
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:24.559
also something that's like on the spiritual plane, which this

587
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:27.160
inevitably is kind of what led me down the path

588
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:29.839
of like learning how to research to do my podcast

589
00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:32.119
and everything because I didn't know where to place this

590
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:33.720
thing in my head. I didn't even talk about this

591
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:35.359
for a while when I started up my show, just

592
00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:37.279
because I didn't want to be the guy that pops

593
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:39.200
onto the scene with the podcast and just starts talking

594
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:41.400
about his weird experience. Like I kind of left it

595
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:43.279
in the back burner for a while until I kind

596
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:45.599
of saw if anybody else had an experience like that

597
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.359
or whatever, just because I didn't want to again just

598
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:49.799
throw it on the table because I kind of felt

599
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:51.720
crazy for having the experience in the first place, and

600
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:53.839
especially not no where or to place it, because it's

601
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:57.519
like a sasquatch, Like you have like a context for that, Yeah, ghost,

602
00:27:57.599 --> 00:27:59.319
you have a context for that. Alien, you have a

603
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:01.200
context for that. But whatever this thing was, like, I

604
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:03.359
had no context for what the hell this thing could

605
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:06.799
possibly even be. So I start doing some research into it,

606
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:10.519
and I come across like pale crawlers and like rakes,

607
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:13.160
And when I start diving into those, they seem like

608
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:14.599
they're mainly stuff on the internet.

609
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:15.160
There.

610
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:18.799
I mean, there are some sightings, but I'll kind of

611
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:20.720
get into what I honestly kind of think those were

612
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:23.240
But when I started really really diving into it, I

613
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:27.440
started getting back into basically what the Native Americans would

614
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:29.960
describe wind it goes to look like. And it wasn't

615
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:34.079
this like dearheaded, like animal body like being type creature.

616
00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:39.200
It was this like zombie like decaying like like zombie

617
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:42.880
type creature, like it was had decaying flesh. It was

618
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:45.279
like lanky. It would chew its lips off because it

619
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:47.200
would get so hungry that it would just it would

620
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:50.640
have its lips removed. And I started getting more into

621
00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:52.759
like what the Native Americans described as a win to go,

622
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.119
and that's kind of started to fit my context to

623
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:58.200
what I honestly started believing that I had seen. And

624
00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:00.240
I'm always open for discussion on this one, because I

625
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:02.519
still to this day don't know exactly what I've seen.

626
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:04.359
But this is at least like the rod of research

627
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.200
that I went down to somewhat explain it to myself.

628
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:11.480
But as I started diving into like the actual Native

629
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:14.880
American depictions the wind to Go and what people currently

630
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:16.839
think the wind to Go looks like, I started kind

631
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:20.680
of getting this like separation that it seems like the

632
00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:22.880
transition of when everything started kind of going over to

633
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.000
what everybody else talks about is Windy Goes. Was when

634
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:28.480
like all the settlers and everybody started coming through and

635
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:31.519
they started hearing all of the natives folklore stories and everything,

636
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:33.680
and just like a lot of the stuff when they

637
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:35.599
came through, like they would take a sacred site and

638
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:37.880
they would call it like the devil's teakettle, the devil's this,

639
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:40.079
the devil's that, and they kind of throw this like

640
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:44.519
satanic like paganistic view on all of the Native American

641
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.759
like folklore and everything like that. So what I kind

642
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:51.039
of believe started to happen was that they started kind

643
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:53.240
of playing telephone with the stories of the Wind to Go,

644
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:56.200
and they started adding like their paganistic their demonistic views

645
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:58.480
on it, and they started retelling the story for what

646
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:02.119
it is now. And weirdly enough, like the sightings and

647
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:04.839
counter stories started dropping off around this time that people

648
00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:08.480
claiming to see Windygoes and everything. But after that, you

649
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:11.119
started getting to this point semi currently where people started

650
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:14.160
getting this rise of seeing like rakes or pale crawlers

651
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:18.000
or whatever. So I started kind of thinking that we've

652
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:21.200
basically separated what we believe is a wind to Go

653
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:24.599
to a point of it being complete folklore and we're like,

654
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:27.119
there's no dear headed thing running around the woods out here.

655
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.039
But on the other side, we've renamed something that was

656
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:33.960
already named and we're now calling them pill crawlers and rakes,

657
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:36.559
and the whole wind to go concept, like it goes

658
00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:39.359
just beyond like that one specific tribe calling it that,

659
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.319
Like it's this, this is a type of being that

660
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:44.279
every tribe has a different name for. It's kind of

661
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:47.920
like the skinwalker, Like skinwalker is specific to the Navajo.

662
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:51.400
But that being said, there are other tribes that have

663
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:55.119
other creatures, similar medicine men, right, that they just have

664
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.079
different names for. So anybody that says, like you can't

665
00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:00.279
see a skinwalker in Maine, for example, yeah, you're not

666
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.160
seeing a skin walker because that's what the Natives or

667
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:04.720
the Navajo call it. But there's a different name for

668
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:07.680
another being that's just like exactly what they're talking about.

669
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:10.400
But that's basically what I ended up thinking. Is thinking

670
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:12.319
started happening with like a lot of these pill crawler

671
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.559
and rake sightings, is that people started like recasting or

672
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:19.680
renaming what these window sightings originally were. And as I

673
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:22.279
started coming down this rabbit hole. It was like I

674
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.200
started coming into these realizations about like the splitting of

675
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:28.119
like folklore on like what people think could be possible

676
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:31.799
versus what people cannot think is possible. But started realizing

677
00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:34.039
that there's always this like root of all these different things,

678
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:36.960
that there always is going to be telephoned through oral tradition.

679
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:39.039
But of course you have to try to break apart

680
00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:42.839
where that telephone started completely manipulating into something else, Otherwise

681
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:45.000
you know, you might be sent off a totally wrong path.

682
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.240
And like I said, I'm always open for debate on

683
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:50.799
what I had actually seen, but that's at least the

684
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:53.160
point that I had led up to is with my research.

685
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:55.039
And you know, if it wasn't for the fact of

686
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:56.880
me taking the time to be able to split that up,

687
00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:59.039
like you know, I could have been completely off in

688
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:01.920
a totally different direction and thinking that I saw, for example,

689
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:04.000
like a rake or something like that, when you know,

690
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:06.519
I don't think it was that at all either, So

691
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:09.880
I mean, I don't know, like I said, it's it's

692
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.200
inevitably what led me down my path to my research

693
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:16.599
was just trying to figure out what could possibly exist

694
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:18.960
in this world and hearing other people's experiences about what

695
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.359
could exist in this world, and hopefully being able to

696
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:24.200
connect people's pieces of things, because you know, I've connected

697
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:28.240
my experiences with other people's experiences, and I've connected previous

698
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:31.599
guest experiences with another previous guest experience. But you know,

699
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:33.319
all of us are gonna feel crazy until we have

700
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:36.200
somebody else that feels like they've had something similar. And

701
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.480
if we don't get out here and actually start talking

702
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:40.839
about our experiences, which you know I'm guilty of because

703
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:42.839
I held mine back for a while. You know, you

704
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:46.240
never know where one the research might go or on

705
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:48.519
the other side, like who else you might actually start

706
00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:50.240
to make feel sane about something like this?

707
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:53.599
You know. Yeah, so you think you saw a when

708
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:53.920
to Go?

709
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:57.440
I believe I've seen I saw wind to Go or whatever.

710
00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:59.400
The tribes that were in Michigan may have been calling

711
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:02.000
a creature like that, but at least from that depiction,

712
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:06.359
or again, maybe pale Crawler, but I still am pretty

713
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:08.359
convinced that might just be a renaming of a wind

714
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:08.480
to Go.

715
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:12.000
So yeah, no, I would agree with you. So well,

716
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:16.400
if you do, I mean, you've obviously done research, right,

717
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:23.119
But in the research I've done because and just a

718
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:29.799
quick side story on I I have pictures and I

719
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:31.720
don't think it's I don't think they're on the internet.

720
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:35.160
I don't. I've never posted them. And I got them

721
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:41.599
from a friend of mine who is a cryptozoology guy, right,

722
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:44.960
And that's that's like what he does. He's a cryptozoologist,

723
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:51.039
like he is a full time researcher pretty much, and

724
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:57.359
we do a lot of our research stuff, whether it's

725
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:01.119
it's just for high strangeness in general, it's not just bigfoot,

726
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:04.960
but we are open to it all in the Alleghany

727
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:10.320
National Forest and there is you know, what do they

728
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:16.239
call that camping? Dispersed camping in the national Forest. So

729
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:19.280
we have this campsite. It is a campsite, but it's

730
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.679
not like you know, you've got to drive. We drive

731
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:27.639
like ten twelve miles in on fire roads to get there,

732
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:32.159
right yeah. Yeah, it's deep, deep, deep deep, and there's

733
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:36.519
like three or four campsites right there. Well the prior weekend,

734
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:40.679
so we had gotten there, but my buddy had been

735
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:43.679
there already for him and him and someone else had

736
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:47.400
been there already for like four days. And the campsite

737
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:49.519
next to him, which is this really cool campsite with

738
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:53.159
like a stream running through it, and it's very picturesque.

739
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:57.480
Let me put it that way. He had gotten he

740
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:01.880
had set up trail camps to like, you know, I

741
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:05.519
at this point, I use trail cams for deterrent, you.

742
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:09.159
Know, yeahs at this point, right or whatever.

743
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:11.480
You know, I don't care what anyone believes or whatever,

744
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:14.800
But when I have a trail cam up, nothing messes

745
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:19.119
with with my tent. They just it doesn't right. So

746
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.039
I'll cover the whole campsite with trail cams, and we

747
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:25.239
haven't had any issues at night while we've been sleeping

748
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:30.840
since we'd started doing that. Well, the guy next to

749
00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:37.079
the campsite and in the next campsite over, uh, my

750
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:41.000
buddy was going out to like get breakfast or something

751
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.199
because there's a really good diner that's it's like an

752
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:48.519
hour drive, but it's only because the roads are you know,

753
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:52.840
gravel whatever. He stops and says hello to them. In

754
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:55.920
the morning, Well, they they're kind of all freaked out.

755
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:59.480
It was two guys and he shows them a picture

756
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:02.599
that came up the trailcam and it's a freaking rake

757
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:06.840
standing right next to their ten. I'll I'll send it

758
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.880
to you. And unfortunately the picture I have is a

759
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:12.559
little pixelated because it's like a picture of a picture,

760
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:16.920
but he has the original and it's pritty damn. It's like,

761
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:21.079
you know, the quintessential trailcam picture, but it's of a

762
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:25.000
like a six or seven foot tall figure that's just

763
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:31.000
white gray and the really long arms and man, it's spooky.

764
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:34.159
Is there tunnels and stuff over there? Because oh yess.

765
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.159
The other split of my research is that I forgot

766
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:39.400
to mention this during my whole explanation of like skinwalkers

767
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:42.679
and rakes and everything. But I've dived so much into

768
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:46.960
the whole aspect of like these underground dwelling like beings,

769
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:50.000
and I do think that there is part of that phenomenon,

770
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:52.199
especially if they're like these quick ones that seem to

771
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.920
people have seen them coming from caves. I don't think

772
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:56.840
that those ones are the wind goes. I think that

773
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:59.639
those might be a mixture. I mean, it might be

774
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:01.440
a mixed phenomenon where people are seeing a little bit

775
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:03.280
of both, because there is probably the folklore where like

776
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:05.239
wind it goes will going to ground, but that's usually

777
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:07.519
during the summer and during the winter they're completely out

778
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:11.000
and everything but the whole idea about these underground dwelling

779
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:13.800
beings I definitely think would fit still the context of

780
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:14.159
a scale.

781
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:16.400
I mean, I'm sure there are caves in that area,

782
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:18.840
but it's not like part of you know, like the

783
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:21.480
Holy East Coast has got like this giant cave system

784
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:25.559
that goes from like Vermont all the way down down

785
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:29.719
the Appalachian Spine all the way through over through Kentucky,

786
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:33.159
Southern Indiana, Illinois, and then there's a whole nother.

787
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.400
Just Apple Aia General Hill in those damn mountains.

788
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.239
Soooky, right, But but the Alleghany is not really part

789
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:43.119
of that, So it's not there is not like a

790
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:47.360
ton of like cave systems per se. Not not like

791
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:51.719
not like it is in like the Apple at not.

792
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.800
It's just not like that. It's not that like like

793
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:58.880
mammoth cave system. It's not like that. There's there might

794
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:04.000
be individual caves, but they're not there's not like anything

795
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:06.559
that's like, oh this is where we're going to go spelunking.

796
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.880
There's there's none of that per se, right.

797
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:13.039
I mean there might be some weird spots though, especially.

798
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:17.800
All kinds of crazy stuff that happened there because they

799
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:22.000
have a man made reservoir there where they flooded the

800
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:29.320
whole valley, right, and yeah, there's some spiritual stuff there.

801
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:31.920
It's a whole lot of high strange in us there, man,

802
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:36.079
but that rake. But I've always looked at the wind

803
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:41.400
to Go like I get annoyed when they correlated with

804
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:45.360
Bigfoot because it's not the same thing. It's like totally different, Like,

805
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:47.719
so who does that? And then the where the hell

806
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:52.119
did the deer and antler thing come from? Because one

807
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.320
to Go that I learned about when I was younger,

808
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:57.920
when I was doing Native American study, you know, like

809
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:04.400
the traditional algon quinn when to go, the emaciated figure

810
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:11.800
with the like ashen sunken glowing eyes, you know, like

811
00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:14.840
fang teeth where you said like they chewed their own

812
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:18.079
lips off. That's the legend. Right.

813
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:21.000
I'm glad that you've dived into this because I'll have

814
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.039
people sit here sometimes and argue with me about like

815
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:26.320
what a Windgo looks like. But yeah, my honest belief,

816
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:28.639
just from at least the research that I've done, is

817
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:31.119
that I think that split started happening with like retelling

818
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:33.280
of the stories from like all the settlers and everything

819
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:35.159
I think they just started adding their own spin on it,

820
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:36.559
because that's the only explanation.

821
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:41.639
What I'm wondering is where does the antlered skull type

822
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.519
thing come in? Like, where where does that?

823
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:50.639
I think they were trying to just mix like paganistic views. Yeah,

824
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:52.119
what was in the area.

825
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:57.039
Of God? And I'll say little g God. I'm wondering, like,

826
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:02.320
is there something in Europe maybe that is depicted that way.

827
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:04.599
I think it might just be a native thing that

828
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:06.639
they just to pick a lot of things with antlers,

829
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:09.039
because even like the utenna, you know, some people call

830
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:11.280
it like the horn serpent, But at least the way

831
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:12.880
that I grew up with my grandma tell me about

832
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:15.039
it was they would describe it as having antlers, not

833
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:18.119
as having horns per se. So I think it's also

834
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:21.280
just partially a mix with the natives would describe all

835
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:23.960
of these different creatures with having antlers instead of using

836
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:26.519
the words horns. So I think it was partially that

837
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:28.239
mix with They were just kind of using like the

838
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:31.400
verbiage with it, and they were keeping the native twist,

839
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:33.280
but with like their pagan views of things.

840
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:36.760
Yeah, I mean, and when you talk about the when

841
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:41.400
to go, I mean it's not really an exclusively Algonquin thing.

842
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:45.360
I mean it, it had to have spanned farther. But

843
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:49.480
when you say Algonquin, I mean you're talking about most

844
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:55.880
of you know, the East coast right at least along

845
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:58.760
the border section there all the way over to like

846
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:04.239
you know, a like Superior and and farther even right,

847
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:06.440
So who knows.

848
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.960
I mean, I mean shit. I did a three part

849
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:12.239
series on Windogoes at one point for Bizarre Encounters, and

850
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:14.159
it was Windy Goes. But I started looking into all

851
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:16.159
the other different tribe names for him, and I found

852
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:18.400
at least like ten that I covered in that episode. Like,

853
00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:21.599
and they're very close, like with you gay for example, Yeah,

854
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:23.960
it you can read between the lines and know they're

855
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:26.400
talking about the same creature. It's just slight little differences

856
00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:29.480
within like the storytelling, Like you know, the wind to go.

857
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:33.559
Of course you get that from cannibalizing somebody. But on

858
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:35.639
the other side, turning into what you gay, you get

859
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:38.239
that from being having too much pride or thinking that

860
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:40.239
you're better than everybody else. So it's kind of like

861
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:43.920
little slight differences, but everything else is the same besides

862
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:45.079
that one little tweak to it.

863
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:48.360
Right, so when like I think of like When to

864
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:52.119
Go In like mainstream media, I always think of Ravenous.

865
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:56.480
I think that movie Antlers that came out, like what

866
00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:58.360
a couple of years ago, it was on like Hulu

867
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:01.639
and Babe, maybe have you seen.

868
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:09.679
You Gotta? It's from I think it's ninety nine.

869
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:12.239
Maybe that's the that's the good era.

870
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:18.440
It's it's basically and and there were some good actors

871
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:23.320
in a guy Pierce, Oh gosh, what's the other guy's name?

872
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:30.039
It the British or Irish guy, Robert Carlisle. There's there's

873
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:32.960
a whole bunch of actors in it that are really good.

874
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:37.880
And it's set in the eighteen forties in California, and

875
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:46.480
it's basically them. They're stranded at this like military outpost

876
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:52.039
in the Sierras, right, and turns out that some of

877
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:56.400
the guys have been eating other people, and so they

878
00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:58.920
talk about the wind to Go in that because you

879
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:02.360
know people turning in, but it's not it's it's not

880
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:05.679
what you think per se. It's not like they turn

881
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:07.760
into a win to Go, but they kind of do,

882
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:12.679
but they don't change form per se. But the music

883
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:15.599
and it's real janky, it's it's a really good movie,

884
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:18.719
and it's a dark it's it's not a comedy, but

885
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:21.719
it's like a dark comedy. You'll when you watch it,

886
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:23.320
you'll you'll know what I'm talking about.

887
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:25.440
Yeah, i'ma have to look that one up. I still

888
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:28.599
recommend Antlers. It doesn't really fit the whole like native

889
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:30.840
lore like we were talking about. It definitely has like

890
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:34.880
the half dear looking creature. But I mean, other than that,

891
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:38.000
the actual story of the folklore for Antlers is pretty close.

892
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:39.719
It's just the depiction itself is different.

893
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:40.239
Gotcha.

894
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:42.519
Altogether, the story is pretty good. It's pretty gory like,

895
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:44.400
and it's straight up like a wind to Go story. So,

896
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:47.480
I mean, there's only so many Windogo movies out there,

897
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:50.079
but yeah, Antler's that's definitely one of the more recent,

898
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:50.920
pretty good ones.

899
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:53.599
Okay, Okay, Yeah, I'm.

900
00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:56.840
Surprised that there's not a lot more like high budget,

901
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.519
rigid movies, Like it seems like such an untapped market

902
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:03.800
that you're overkilling it with these Slashers. They're redoing all

903
00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:06.599
these different sci fi franchises, they're redoing all this right,

904
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:08.760
and there's a shit ton of bigfoot horror movies, but

905
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:12.840
they're all like very very Like there's good Indian, then

906
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:16.320
there's like very Indie, you know, like there's a good

907
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:18.320
handful of good sasquatch ones out there, but the rest

908
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:21.360
of them are just like so spoofy. You don't know

909
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:22.960
if they're trying to be serious or not. You know,

910
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:27.519
like right, but untapped market though there's thousands of creatures,

911
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:27.880
you can.

912
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:31.599
Make movies for thousands, literally tons and tons and not

913
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:35.760
only that, but like you know, just stories of not

914
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:39.039
you know, yeah, I mean, I guess they do make

915
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:42.760
like some haunted like you know, like they took some

916
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:47.039
things like like the Conjuring and some of those things

917
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:49.599
like that and turned it into you know.

918
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:52.880
The Warrens are very debated though of course they're very debated.

919
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:57.239
They're very debated, but you know, at the end of

920
00:44:57.280 --> 00:44:58.360
the day, it's entertaining.

921
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:01.159
So hey, you know what the downfall I think would

922
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:03.079
be would be like they'd start doing that, they'd make

923
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:04.719
all these movies and the next thing, you know, they're

924
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:07.639
gonna have like a Marvel cinematic universe of like cryptids

925
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:10.360
and all of us. They're like into Cryptids are gonna

926
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:12.239
be like all right, it's lost. It's fun everybody's into

927
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:13.360
it now. Now this sucks.

928
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:19.639
This just sucks so bad. Now. Oh man, yeah for sure.

929
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:22.480
That's a cool bigfoot tattoo. Did you see the last movie?

930
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:22.679
Man?

931
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:24.840
Like, oh my goddamn.

932
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:33.320
Ship. That's really funny. But yeah, see, like horror movies,

933
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:34.760
I'm I'm gauging.

934
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.360
Oh yeah, one of comedies. You gotta have like opposite

935
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:39.880
side of the spectrum.

936
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:44.320
Right, you know, I used to be into the horror

937
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:47.039
way more, but I'm I'm I'm kind of old now,

938
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:50.599
so it's like I I like to sleep, you.

939
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:53.880
Know, see, I just moved away from like the gory shit.

940
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:55.519
Like when I was a teenager, I really liked the

941
00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:57.519
gory shit. And not that I'm like old old or anything,

942
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:00.840
like I'm only thirty one, but like when I watch horror,

943
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:03.880
I like the stuff that's like suspenseful, like thriller, like

944
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:06.639
gets you into it, like the paranormal experience, not the

945
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:09.559
stuff that's like you know, got all the jump scares,

946
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:11.480
not the stuff that's overly glory, but the stuff that

947
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:14.679
gets you like heavy into the storyline, like well even

948
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:18.760
past like paranormal like platform or just like scenarios that

949
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:21.440
are like scary scenarios that you put yourself in, Like

950
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:22.840
that's the type of stuff I'm into.

951
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:25.079
Yeah, I would agree, I would agree at that point.

952
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:28.000
I don't know. I almost don't even look that look

953
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:31.559
at that stuff as like horror. It's more like you know,

954
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:33.440
you're right, like thriller.

955
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:36.519
Like I've been out of the slasher concepts since, like

956
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:38.840
I'm good at with like the nineties and then all

957
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.199
the modern day slashers like I'm pretty good on, even

958
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:42.960
if they're remaking ones I like, like I don't care

959
00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:44.840
to see the remakes, Like yeah.

960
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:50.000
I do like paralormal uh stuff now though, Like like.

961
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.079
The paranormal stuff is really good lately, especially the demon stuff.

962
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:54.800
They got a lot of really good stuff.

963
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:58.599
For some of that stuff is pretty good and I'll

964
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:01.719
watch some of that, but you know it does that's

965
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:03.679
the type of shit that will keep me up at night. Man.

966
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:06.480
Stuff like Terrifier though, like I'm go all good on that.

967
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:08.199
I saw the first one. It's not that like I

968
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:10.800
can't handle it, it's just that it's like I don't

969
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:12.599
want to watch it, Like it's not entertaining to me

970
00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:14.840
to watch, Like I don't like gory stuff like that,

971
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:16.960
Like you saw dude, Like I used to love Saw

972
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:18.960
when I was a kid, and it's like I'll watch

973
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:21.760
those now, but I don't want to see the gore part.

974
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:24.960
Like I just like the the the journey of all

975
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:28.800
the different traps and like the game plan of everything, right,

976
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:30.960
I could I could totally do without the gore of it,

977
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:33.159
Like I don't care. I just like the getting you

978
00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:35.800
into that weird mindset, you know for sure.

979
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:39.400
I keep thinking like that one. Is it the right?

980
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:43.639
Is that what it's called with Anthony Hopkins? Yes, it's

981
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.440
our I T all right, T yeah, yep, Like that

982
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:49.360
was a like that's the type of movie I'm talking about,

983
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:53.880
Like it's it's low key, but it's also like, oh

984
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:57.320
sh like this is just like is he getting possessed?

985
00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:59.559
Is he possessed? You know that whole type of thing.

986
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:01.039
I like that stuff.

987
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:04.079
So I like the ones too, with the paranormal stuff

988
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:06.239
that they do, the like based on a true story

989
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:09.159
and of course they always like take their they do

990
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:10.920
what they want with it. But it seems like with

991
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:14.719
the paranormal stuff like okay, so you have like text

992
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:17.559
Chainsaw Masacre and you take ed game which wasn't in Texas.

993
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:19.559
He didn't changeaw up all these people and then they

994
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:21.360
go based on a true story, and then you see

995
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:23.400
what it's based on. You're like, all right, this doesn't

996
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:26.760
even like translate, is nothing but the paranormal stuff. Yes,

997
00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:30.440
it is way over exaggerated, but like the concept is

998
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:33.079
still there, you know, like this kid's getting thrown around

999
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:35.199
at night. You know, you can leave that sentence to

1000
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:36.800
do what you want with it. But in a movie,

1001
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.000
they're gonna have this kid getting thrown off the walls

1002
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:41.199
like all that kind of crazy shit, right, But it's

1003
00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:43.199
like they'll take their liberties with it. But it's not

1004
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:46.360
as like off with it, you know, I mean, they

1005
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:48.800
can do more with it. Yeah, still keep it somewhat

1006
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:52.320
of somewhat closer to the story besides just Hollywood part

1007
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:52.719
of it.

1008
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:56.519
Right, like the Exorcism of Emily Rose.

1009
00:48:57.960 --> 00:48:59.960
Or even the Exorcism begin with. Man, if you want

1010
00:48:59.960 --> 00:49:02.400
to take it back to a classic like to this day,

1011
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:05.599
even if it doesn't look the best, like the story

1012
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:08.320
itself like still holds true and it you know, creeps

1013
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:08.960
you out pretty good.

1014
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:15.039
Oh yeah, absolutely, and everyone uh nobody can unsee that face.

1015
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:18.920
Yeah, especially like the throwing up and everything. Yeah, you

1016
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:20.880
start looking into the background of that movie, and it

1017
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:23.440
makes it almost scarier, like, yeah, when she's whipping heru

1018
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:26.119
on the bed, she actually like broke her spine and everything,

1019
00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:30.039
like like there's so much behind the story of that

1020
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.639
movie that it's not even like the movie. And I

1021
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:34.639
think people are scared of anymore. It's like the curse

1022
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:37.679
behind the movie that every actor from that movie has

1023
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.079
got like messed up in the head from filming that movie.

1024
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:43.840
Here and I think, I think Emily if I'm not mistaken.

1025
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:47.960
I don't know if it's the Emily Rose story or

1026
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:51.840
a different story. But there was this woman, this girl

1027
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:59.360
who was allegedly possessed by demon. It's going through an exorcism,

1028
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:07.519
and they actually have audio of her speaking in other

1029
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:12.519
languages that she had no business knowing and in different tones.

1030
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:17.000
And one of the people that she allegedly was channeling

1031
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.599
or whatever the hell you would call it, was Nero

1032
00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:23.960
and stuff like that. And they actually have this on audio.

1033
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:26.840
And I don't remember you ever heard.

1034
00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:28.639
Of for thinking of the same movie or not.

1035
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:31.320
Oh no, no, no, remember, I'm not talking about that movie.

1036
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:34.079
I'm talking about But what brought me there was the

1037
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:37.440
Emily Rose movie. Is I can't remember if that's what

1038
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.840
that is based on, is that real character or if

1039
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:41.880
it was something else.

1040
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:43.840
Yeah, I think that it is. I thought you were

1041
00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:46.039
talking about. There's this other movie that is one of

1042
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:47.599
those ones that kind of fell into obscurity and I

1043
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:49.239
don't even remember what the name of it is, but

1044
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:52.880
came out in maybe like twenty thirteen, and it was

1045
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:57.280
about this like a group of like British college researchers

1046
00:50:57.280 --> 00:50:59.480
that were investigating this one girl who was like demon

1047
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:02.280
possessed and it's all like based on a true story.

1048
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:04.639
But the cool part about that film, which is where

1049
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:06.679
I was kind of connecting this to, was there was

1050
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:09.360
parts where you know, she's getting possessed and everything, and

1051
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:13.159
they actually played the real audio recordings for like of

1052
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.119
course like act out the scene, but they play the

1053
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:17.920
real audio recordings like over it from like the real

1054
00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:21.199
metricism and experience and everything. And I thought that was

1055
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:23.800
pretty cool that they did one of those little things

1056
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:25.400
if you know, you know, if not it just sounds

1057
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:27.239
like sound effects, you know, Yeah.

1058
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:29.840
It was it was just cool. How well not cool,

1059
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:33.239
But when I heard those tapes, that was just bone chilling.

1060
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:37.199
That's that unexplainable stuff that's like, how how does like

1061
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:38.239
a sixteen year old speak?

1062
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:40.440
She was like, yeah, she was like a sixteen year

1063
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:45.840
old German girl who was sounding like this old I

1064
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:51.440
mean like me right in essence, speaking and saying that

1065
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:56.239
she's uh Nero or or that you're talking to Nero

1066
00:51:56.559 --> 00:51:59.719
or talking to you know. I can't remember who else

1067
00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:01.679
the ones were, but they were just like, you know,

1068
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:04.559
awful folks, so great.

1069
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:06.199
I mean, you still see that stuff all the time

1070
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:08.679
happening down in like South America and Mexico. Like, I

1071
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:11.239
don't know what it is like about that area because

1072
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:14.280
obviously the people at faith, like people in South America

1073
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:18.079
and like Mexico, seem to be like overly spiritual. But

1074
00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:21.599
you know, there's so many tapes of just horrifying stuff

1075
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.039
that comes out like that of like again, people's voices

1076
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:27.559
changing completely and speaking different languages, and it's like, you know,

1077
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:29.079
there's really so much you can do with video editing,

1078
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:31.400
especially if you're in a small village in the middle

1079
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:34.639
of nowhere, Like how do you explain that stuff? Especially

1080
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:37.000
if it's something that like, for example, like a priest

1081
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:38.320
goes out there and deals with it, and then a

1082
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:42.360
priest released the tapes like you know, that's not always

1083
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.880
just saying that, Like a stature of authority is always

1084
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:47.599
like the explanation of something, but it's not like it's

1085
00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:49.960
some guy intentionally trying to pull over a hoax. If

1086
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:52.440
it's something that goes through the Vatican, because you know,

1087
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:55.320
with these extracisms and everything, like they have to get approved,

1088
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:57.719
like there's multiple layers that go through it, like if

1089
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:01.280
there's any doubt of any thing, and it like somebody's

1090
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:03.000
gonna bring it up at some point. That's why the

1091
00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:05.480
Vatican won't even mess with an extorcism until they know

1092
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:07.480
that it actually is something it is, because they don't

1093
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:10.000
want to just be out here like all right, demon

1094
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:11.280
gone gone.

1095
00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:16.039
And like liability nowadays, you know, all that type of stuff.

1096
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:19.440
Yeah, the Vatican only messes with it if they honestly

1097
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:22.199
have something. There's you have to go through, like you know,

1098
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:24.519
mental evaluations, you have to go through this, Like there's

1099
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:26.800
so much to go through. I don't think people realize

1100
00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:29.559
that it's not just like honey, an extorcism and appreci

1101
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:32.719
shows up tomorrow, Like if you're getting an actual exorcism

1102
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:36.840
that has to go through all the different chains, you know, like.

1103
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:40.679
Now other denominations do other things, but the you know,

1104
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:46.519
Catholicism itself, it's a process, yeah, for sure, for sure,

1105
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:53.840
for sure. So we're coming up on an hour, so, uh,

1106
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:55.920
what I what I'd like to do is ask you

1107
00:53:56.320 --> 00:54:01.079
another question about so Obviously, then of this podcast is

1108
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:06.559
broadcasting seeds, and I like to get folks' take on

1109
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:12.719
a plan to seed in my audience's mind, you know,

1110
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:15.800
and get them thinking of something that maybe you've come

1111
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:19.360
across that is different, or that you haven't really heard about,

1112
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:23.079
or something that you just feel like more people should

1113
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:30.320
look into or more people should research on their own. Yeah.

1114
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:33.360
So this one's gonna be a hard one cause I

1115
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:35.840
don't want to get into like the full crazy explanation

1116
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:38.239
of this. But one thing that I've come across in

1117
00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:41.800
my research is when it comes to UFOs, for example,

1118
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:44.599
like everybody wants to have this debate on you know,

1119
00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:46.960
what you're seeing, like is it something extraterrestrial, is it

1120
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:48.119
something human? Is it this?

1121
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:48.719
Is it that?

1122
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:51.159
But at the end of the day, with my research,

1123
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:53.440
I've came to the conclusion that I honestly think that

1124
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:56.039
it's a huge mix of both, and you have to

1125
00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:58.559
take into consideration that you know, if there is the

1126
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:01.159
whole idea about don crafts all that stuff, people are

1127
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:03.960
going to be attempting to recreate these things. And on

1128
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:06.000
top of this, we're going to be getting the old

1129
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:07.880
beat up one, so that's what you're going to be seeing.

1130
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:11.119
And then these things, these extrestrials, whatever they are, they're

1131
00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:13.079
going to be flying like the new models. So the

1132
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:15.880
phenomenon is going to constantly be changing. If people are

1133
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:18.920
always wondering why the shapes are changing, everything is changing.

1134
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:21.360
But at the end of the day, it's definitely a

1135
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:24.800
two sided phenomenon that you know, just because you know

1136
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:26.360
you want to sit here and pretend like you trust

1137
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:28.239
the government doesn't mean that the government won't do some

1138
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:31.239
shisty shit to you. Because my connection into a lot

1139
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:34.000
of this stuff with the research on why humans be

1140
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:37.760
doing this stuff, besides just military connection to things, goes

1141
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:41.400
back into honestly, starting back at like World War two,

1142
00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:46.039
that when they were doing all of these different experiments

1143
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:48.840
on people trying to do eugenics, do all this type

1144
00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:51.039
of stuff. You know, it got to a point obviously

1145
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:53.400
with World War two the war ended and everything, and

1146
00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:55.519
you can't do that type of stuff to people anymore.

1147
00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:57.239
So what do you do when you can't do these

1148
00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:00.360
type of experiments to people anymore that you believe are

1149
00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:03.519
something that transcends human rights, that you think that you're

1150
00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:06.440
doing something that's beyond that, whether it's for eugenic reasons

1151
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:08.360
or if it's for you know, you think you're going

1152
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:11.079
to create something that's going to create the best infinite

1153
00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:13.480
human whatsoever, Like you're gonna have to have a means

1154
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:16.239
of doing that. So you have to consider that with

1155
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:19.000
a lot of this abduction phenomenon that's going on, that

1156
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:21.760
even within that there's extraterrestrial and there's got to be

1157
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:24.960
human side of the phenomenon, and there's just got to

1158
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:28.119
be a continued explanation for all of this eugenic stuff

1159
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:30.880
that's going on. And that's always the connection that I

1160
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:33.440
get into, is that again it's a double side of phenomenon.

1161
00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:35.559
And maybe I could come back on another time and

1162
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:38.320
I make this a lot less quick because I felt

1163
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:41.280
like I lost ninety nine percent of like the solid

1164
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:43.719
information with that one, just trying to explain it within

1165
00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:46.239
like a minute or so. But yeah, I got like

1166
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:50.239
notes on notes connecting into one going into like the

1167
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:53.519
MK Ultra mind control stuff leading into this, leading into

1168
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:57.000
some of when all the UFO abduction cases started, some

1169
00:56:57.119 --> 00:57:00.360
examples of people seeing like masks and everything while they're

1170
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:03.840
having UFO abduction experiences. But you know, I can get

1171
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.840
this a lot heavier on a future episode. Absolutely, at

1172
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:08.840
the end of the day, the UFO phenomenon, you got

1173
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:11.119
to consider the fact that it's not just one thing.

1174
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:13.119
It's got to be too, it's got to be multiple things,

1175
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:15.880
and more than likely it's extraterrestrial just as much as

1176
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:16.400
it is human.

1177
00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:19.880
Yeah, for sure, And that's a good thing to I

1178
00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:23.840
mean everybody, especially with as much of it's in the

1179
00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:27.519
news right now like it. It's just people got to

1180
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:29.800
get their heads straight around this stuff, you know, and

1181
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:33.960
what they you know, do the research exactly.

1182
00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:36.079
You come up to you with your own conclusions. Don't

1183
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:39.679
let anybody tell you what what everything is the end

1184
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:41.480
of the day, because I mean, when it comes to upology,

1185
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:43.639
when it comes to cryptids, the paranormal, anything like that,

1186
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:46.039
if anybody says they're an expert, you got to run

1187
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:47.840
back the other way because we're all sitting here and

1188
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:50.199
we're all just flinging shit at a wall until hopefully

1189
00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:52.599
something sticks. So you know, we're only gonna get somewhere

1190
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:54.159
if all of us are trying to compile into the

1191
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:55.519
research and nobody's claiming to be an.

1192
00:57:55.480 --> 00:58:00.800
Experts as a consistently always say we don't know, shit,

1193
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:03.920
we don't We don't know a damn thing. And as

1194
00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:07.239
soon as you think you know, that's when you just

1195
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:08.800
need to quit the game.

1196
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:11.599
Because all these UFO hearings sound like, yeah, we know

1197
00:58:11.719 --> 00:58:13.920
all the information, right, Like what do you guys know?

1198
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:16.119
Like if for me, it just sounds like a grasp

1199
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:17.960
of information, like they're trying to see what other people

1200
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:20.639
are gonna give them, but they know absolutely fucking nothing. Yeah,

1201
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:23.280
they're gonna be sitting here saying like, oh, yeah, we

1202
00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:25.039
have all this information, but we can't give it to

1203
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:26.960
you guys. But if you guys see any settings, you

1204
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:29.440
see anything weird, like let us know. But other than that,

1205
00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:32.239
like we're keeping all this information to ourselves. Maybe disclosure

1206
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:34.360
will happen one day, but you know, till then, do

1207
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:37.320
we think that you guys are prepared enough. We're just

1208
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:38.119
gonna keep everything going.

1209
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:41.320
Well, keep your reports as toilet paper.

1210
00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:44.119
We'll we'll just drop something here and there, we'll drop

1211
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:46.280
your breadcrumb, just so that you you know that we're

1212
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:49.599
not gonna deny it completely, but you know it's out there,

1213
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:51.119
like we'll get around to it eventually.

1214
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:56.119
Sure, sure, all right, So tell everyone where they can

1215
00:58:56.119 --> 00:58:56.840
find you again.

1216
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:00.000
You guys can either find me on my solo ship

1217
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:02.679
which is interview style and that show is Increase of

1218
00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:07.000
Our Reality podcast, and you've actually been a guest on

1219
00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:08.559
that show, so if any of your listeners want to

1220
00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:10.079
go and check out that episode, it was a really

1221
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:12.639
really fun episode. And then on the other side, if

1222
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:15.159
you guys are into the more deep dive research style

1223
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:16.960
of things, you guys can go and check out my

1224
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:20.079
other show, Bizarre Encounters with Shane and Oran, and all

1225
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:23.320
my podcasts are available on any podcasterer you happen to use.

1226
00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:26.639
They're also available on YouTube, and if you guys look

1227
00:59:26.679 --> 00:59:29.599
up Increase of Our Reality or Bizarre Encounters on Google,

1228
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:31.960
we should be the main ones that pop up. And

1229
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:33.760
if any of you guys want to just find the

1230
00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:35.400
link tree and be able to find a link to

1231
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:38.119
all the different stuff that I do, be at the Patreon,

1232
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:41.320
the merch store, each individual podcast, or even contacting me

1233
00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:43.559
for any reason whatsoever. You guys, get a hold of

1234
00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:45.639
me through my link tree, and that one is l

1235
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:49.639
A n K t R. Period Slash Open, Underscore Minds,

1236
00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:50.679
Underscore Media.

1237
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:54.920
Awesome, I'll put I'll put the link in the show. Yeah,

1238
00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:59.079
make it easy for you exactly again. Man, I'm so

1239
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:02.400
glad we got to this and we will do it

1240
01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:04.679
do it again soon before you know it.

1241
01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:08.559
So this was a good introduction to kind of flay

1242
01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:10.039
down the groundwork a bit. And the next time I

1243
01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:11.519
come in, I'll make sure that I bring some of

1244
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:13.599
my notes and everything on door man, because that's not

1245
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:15.599
like I danced around a lot of concepts, but I

1246
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:18.360
didn't give the solid validity to them. So on the

1247
01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:19.519
next one, I'll make sure that I bring.

1248
01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:23.280
People don't know. It's by design, so it's just gonna

1249
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:24.079
keep you coming.

1250
01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:27.599
Back exactly again. You gotta do the breadcrumbs.

1251
01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:31.400
Yeah, we're just like the government, just different.

1252
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:34.639
But better trust us.

1253
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:37.079
Trust me. I'm from the government. I'm here to help.

1254
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:43.239
I promise, I promise, all right, man, go eat some food.

1255
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:49.199
Yeah, I got bad thoughts that make my mid skared,

1256
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:52.159
hold me hostage and they don't fight fair who don't

1257
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:54.599
pray for me and wipe bro my tiss who don't

1258
01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:57.599
say me if you not right here, w this darkness

1259
01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:00.480
and make my cyclic take me your way, because I

1260
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:03.320
don't like your ghost to my past day feeling.

1261
01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:04.639
The nightmare, wake me up.

1262
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:06.599
I'm trapped in my Nightmas.

1263
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:27.760
You trapped in my Nightmas, drowning, trowning, I moth the

1264
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:30.039
deepen apparitions of.

1265
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:32.840
All my demons, all my thoughts, I come, making.

1266
01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:34.079
Treason all alone.

1267
01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:39.119
I'm gonna hear me screaming manifestations on my fists, regrets

1268
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:40.639
that stretched out for light years.

1269
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:41.960
You can almost touch the light.

1270
01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:44.880
Homiees right there, body free but trapped.

1271
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:49.000
In my Nightmas. I don't let me a life of

1272
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:49.920
fading now.

1273
01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:54.079
All my life is faith now, all my life is.

1274
01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:59.719
Fair, so matter fay'all, don't miss my life is fading now.

1275
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:02.320
My life is saying enough.

1276
01:02:03.199 --> 01:02:14.599
Sash and Van we shock in my Nightma,