March 13, 2025

Ghosts, Legends & The Unexplained | Courtney Hayes on Investigating the Paranormal

Ghosts, Legends & The Unexplained | Courtney Hayes on Investigating the Paranormal
Ghosts, Legends & The Unexplained | Courtney Hayes on Investigating the Paranormal
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Ghosts, Legends & The Unexplained | Courtney Hayes on Investigating the Paranormal

Are hauntings real or just folklore? Paranormal investigator Courtney Hayes from Haunts Podcast joins Broadcasting Seeds to uncover the truth behind the world’s most chilling legends. From ghostly encounters to the science of the unexplained, we dive...

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Are hauntings real or just folklore? Paranormal investigator Courtney Hayes from Haunts Podcast joins Broadcasting Seeds to uncover the truth behind the world’s most chilling legends. From ghostly encounters to the science of the unexplained, we dive deep into paranormal research, debunking myths and exploring eerie phenomena. Is it a hoax, or is there something truly haunting out there? Tune in and decide for yourself! Courtney's Links https://www.hauntscast.com/ https://open.spotify.com/show/21pUQlkryTmmaDkkSm61tt?si=018edf0b104f4a53 FOLLOW US ON OUR SOCIALS 👣👻🛸 Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/broadcastingseeds/ FaceBook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61561713101798 X - https://x.com/BCSeedsPodcast LISTEN TO THE PODCAST Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-broadcasting-seeds-podcast/id1754460480 Spreaker - https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-broadcasting-seeds-podcast--6402290/support. Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/2EUqA7cL5B4mFolSZwOsTY?si=9f693826971f49eb High Strangeness Supernatural Paranormal Podcast

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All right, we are live. So Courtney, tell us who

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you are and what you do.

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Yeah. So, I am the host of Haunt's podcast. It

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is a show that's dedicated to telling the audience or

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whoever it might be listening, the true stories behind the

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world's most haunting legends. So I like to say that

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I take a skeptical yet hopeful approach to any sort

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of paranormal story that I'm looking into. That's that I do.

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Try to keep it objective. I don't want to debunk

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for the sake of debunking. I would say, though, in

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terms of just who I am as a person, I've

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been a paranormal researcher now for gosh, probably about ten years,

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almost ten years at this point. So the show in

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and of itself really focuses kind of on the like

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I said, the true events, but also the theory kind

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of behind it, trying to explain why a haunting might

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be occurring versus just the events that are actually happening.

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So that's kind of it in a nutshell. I've been

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doing it for about two years and I really have

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been enjoying it. But I also like coming on to

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other people's shows and getting to talk about ghost stories

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and just weird stuff that might be happening out in

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the world. So I appreciate you having me on absolutely.

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I just listened earlier today to your episode in New Orleans.

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Yeah. Yeah, when you reached out on it was like

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we had just finished recording that. I was out there

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for a friend's bachelor at weekend as well, but I

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went out a day early just to be able to

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stay at the hotel sat here.

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You heard about it talk about a target rich environment. Yeah,

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New Orleans is nuts when it comes to that stuff.

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It really is, especially like I mean, I've done a

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few different episodes on various different haunts in and around

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New Orleans. Like we got to go to the what

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is it called Muriel's on Jackson Square, which is this

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like little cute little restaurant, but upstairs there's a seance lounge,

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and that it was so so spooky, and the owner

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of the like the original home I think was built.

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It was built well before the spiritualism movement, but one

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of the people who lived there when it was just

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a home was a huge practitioner in spiritualism, so she

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was constantly doing seances up there, and that's attributing to

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a lot of the hauntings, at least I think. So

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we got to go there, and then when we were

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checking into our hotel, the host that was kind of

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getting us all set was like, Yeah, the craziest thing

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happened earlier we were you know, I got a noise

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complaint called the guest that was staying there. No one's like,

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no one was in the room. And that's like one

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of the number one like reports in this hotel is

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hearing footsteps from rooms where no one's checked in or

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no one's in there, a little bit easy to debunk.

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We didn't have any specific or at least I didn't

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hear anything in editing that led me to believe that

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there was any sort of evidence. But we had a

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good time in there.

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So yeah, yeah, it was a good episode because it

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was also different, and that was her first time ever

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doing anything right.

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Yeah, that was like her first time. My friend Jordan

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came with and I threw her. Yeah. So so she's

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never done anything very haunted at all. She and her

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husband are both very Catholic, which I love, but they

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you know, choose to walk in the light and so

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but she's always been very very supportive of yehow and

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like wanting to learn more about it. So I felt

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a little bad taking her there because at the airport

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and she's flying from a different location. So I text,

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I'm like, hey, like they're letting us check in early

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and we can upgrade our room if we want, and

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she's like, yeah, if you want to, that's totally fine.

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So I call the hotel and I'm like, hey, is

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there any way that I can get into this specific building?

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Because there's like twelve buildings on the property, and the

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most taunted one is the peyrou House. So I'm like,

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is there anyway. I don't care what if it's like

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a little dinky room with one bet or if it's

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a suite. I just want to stay in there. So

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they upgraded our room. They were really nice about it,

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but she had no idea until we checked, and I

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was like, by the way, we're staying in the one

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building where things are like if something's gonna happen, it's

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going to happen in here. Sorry about it. She was

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a good sport, but afterwards she's like, yeah, I don't

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think I'm going to be able to sleep tonight. We

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ended up staying up until like three in the morning

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or something like that, and she's like, Okay, now it's

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time for bed. I'm like, you choose three am? Yeah,

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three am, right, And she's like, well, what does that mean.

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I'm like, I'll tell you in the morning, because you're

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not going to be able to even relax and you

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just go to bed. Like less than less than a

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minute later, I hear her snoring in her bed. I'm like, great,

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I'm just gonna be alone in here, not able to sleep.

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I eventually got to sleep as well, but she was

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out like a light. So I mean, I don't know,

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proud of her for that being the first time that

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she was just easily able to relax and just call

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it a day, but right, yeah, so yeah, it was.

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It was a fun experience. I'm glad to be able

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to get to do stuff like that because I mean,

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when you start a podcast or anything on the internet

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where you're creating, it's not like you have you have

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this expectation of what you want to do with it,

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but you really have no idea where you're gonna go, right,

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So the fact that I can even like this is

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the two year anniversary of the show, I'm staying at

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a Haunted Hotel. I have friends who are willing to

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record an episode with me.

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It was just which is always cool.

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Yeah. Yeah, that was one thing that I knew I

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wanted to do when I first started Haunts, but I

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didn't necessarily know how to go about doing it because

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I live in the middle of nowhere, Montana. There are

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a couple like little tiny haunted locations around here that, like,

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there are hotels that you can stay, and there's two

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of them specifically that are close to me that I'd

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like to go to. But also at the same time,

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I feel like I might be triangulating to where I live. Yeah,

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especially just like my house has some history to it

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that's like pretty well known in the town that I live.

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So yeah, try to keep my cards close to my chest.

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But suffice it to say, it's cool to be able

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to travel to locations that are super close to home

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and get to tell their stories too, because it's just

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not something that I ever It's something that I've always

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wanted to do but never thought I'd actually be able

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to get to do. So gotcha, thank you for listening.

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I appreciate it.

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Oh No, absolutely so question that I ask everyone that

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comes on the show is what is your gateway drug

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to this wonderful world of highest strangeness that we that

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we like, Like mine, I explained earlier is big Foot. Yeah,

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but you know, so what what kind? Because I had

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an experience when I was young, so it just thrust

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me into it and I'm just like ever since I've

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been addicted. Yeah, that mythology.

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So yeah, I think the thing is about like, or

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at least it is a bit weird for me. Is

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the fact that I don't really believe in cryptids or

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anything like that. I want you so badly, but I'm

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the kind of person who needs to like have an

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experience to be like, okay, like this is kind of

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what Like this is something that I can't explain away,

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and I've never had one with a cryptids, So I

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definitely want to hear your story at some point. But

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as far as my like gateway drug or kind of

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what got me into this, I feel like I have

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a few because it was slow going, I should say,

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just as like an overarching personality trait. I've always just

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been int in horror content. I think I started watching

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like horror movies and stuff like that when like way

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too young, Like you know, eight nine years old maybe,

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and the thing is like that getting.

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Scared and just being like your parents are like cold blood.

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Yeah, literally, Well that's my mom. She's very much like

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I don't want to have any part of this to

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the point, but like she's also like, can relax. My

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dad's like, oh, I definitely believe in it, but it

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scares the ever living daylights out of me. And he

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was the one who was kind of like, oh, let's

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like watch you know, The Shining Together or American Psycho

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or stuff like that, where it's like, Dad, like, this

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is intense for an eight year old, but also I

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love it. So I think just like growing up in

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an environment with somebody else who liked horror content really

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just helped open me up to things that were spooky.

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I remember one time when I was really not really

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really young, probably tenish middle school somewhere in there, I

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went camping with my dad and brother, my best friend,

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her brother, and her dad, and we're sitting around the campfire,

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you know, basics as it seems, yes you do, and

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her dad starts telling a ghost story about her, like

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my friend's uncle who passed away before I can't remember

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it was before she was born and when she was

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a really really like young kid, but he had this

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like boy car, like one of those. It literally looked antique,

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and she inherited it. So it's in her childhood bedroom

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and one night they're like, he's, you know, saying good

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night to her, and they see it moving around, and

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she and her dad are also both very spooky people.

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But I just remember remember thinking like, this is so

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fun to be able to just talk about. I didn't

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want the conversation to end, and kind of after to

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that point, it was like a slow any slow revelation

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where anytime ghost stories came up or the topic of

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the paranormal came up, I was sat like so focused,

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so ready to talk about it. And then the first

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time that I probably had a paranormal experience was at

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the bell Witch Cave, which is the story that I

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was kind of saving for you, and that truly, I

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just think changed me in a way that I don't

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even this isn't even like the first experience. It's just

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the one that's still ongoing, if that makes sense. But

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it all kind of came to be around the same time,

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so we'll just get into it. I guess.

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I was also I write, I take a lot of notes, so.

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Don't oh cool, I aggreciate No, I got you. I

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appreciate it. So to preface this whole story, I started

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getting very much like into paranormal research, I would say

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as a hobby, like my freshman year of college. So

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I've always been like pretty you know, interested in it.

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Started researching at a more serious level around eighteen years old,

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so just looking into ghost stories. I'm not posting them anywhere,

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I'm not writing about them. I'm just interested to kind

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of see what I can find. And it invited some

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strange activity in the first apartment that my husband and I,

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back when we were dating, first moved into. And that's

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a whole story in and of itself, but suffice it

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to say we had some Poultergeist activity occurring around the

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time that we moved from one apartment to the next.

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Things sort of settled down, and then the next time

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we moved it happened again. So it seems like every

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time we move we have this sort of just strange

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I can't even like describe it other than poulter Geist activity.

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Things will move on its own, on their own, and

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not to the point where it's like aggressive like Hollywood

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level paranormal activity. But things where it's just like that

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can't be anything other than a ghost, like I have

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no other explanation for like one time, right around the

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time that we were moving out of our second apartment together,

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I had a cough like I have an espresso coffee maker,

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and it literally made me a cup of coffee while

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I was in the shower, like I don't, I don't

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have any.

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Which was like sweet at least it's kind.

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Yeah, and I think too. I mean I didn't end

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up drinking it.

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I'm not gonna lie.

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I'm like, I have no idea what's in this, but

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I guess I appreciate the sentiment. But it's stuff like

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that where we'll see things or we'll hear things, where

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things just move about on their own, and it's always

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around the time that we're moving.

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I think something's attached to you or him. Yeah, yeah,

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so for sure, have you ever tried to get rid

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of it? Or or no?

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I haven't really, Okay, I think that there might be

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multiple things is attached to us. Before going on this

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trip where we had went to the Belwich Cave, it

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was just one one spirit and I believe it's a

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man named John Pugh, and I dive into this more

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on the show for one year anniversary episode, I talk

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about the ghost of mister Pew and kind of my

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research into his family and the story that surrounds him.

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So I won't dive too far into it because, honestly.

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Because you have an episode about.

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It, I do, Yeah, I do. I can't remember the

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episode number, but I can see.

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Thanks guys.

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No, but yeah, So I have never wanted that spirit

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to go anywhere because it seems relatively friendly. Then there's

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a spirit I think, and honestly, this one may have

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moved on because I haven't felt or whatever or encountered

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it in quite some time. But a woman in my

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town was murdered and she used to own this house.

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And that's all I'm gonna say about it. I want

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to be respectful of her family and stuff. It's unsolved,

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but I do believe she was here at some point.

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I don't think she is anymore. And I did try

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to get her to move on because I think she

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needed like closure or it wasn't even aware. So that's

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one thing. This other spirit I have tried to get

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rid of have not been successful, and I think it's

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some flavor of the bell Witch. And I know that's

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quite the claim, So let me explain in a bit

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more detail, and you and I can maybe try to

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debunk it together. I don't know, so with the context

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of any time that we move, something strange happens in

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terms of what I believe to be paranormal activity. Right

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around the time that I graduated college, my husband and

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I decided I don't want to live in Metro Atlanta anymore,

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thought about moving further north because we were right in

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like kind of the foothill towns at the time that

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we decided to move further west, in the foothill towns

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of like the Apple Lachian Trail, like we were I

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think a twenty minute drive from the trailhead to get

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on there. So, as you can imagine, there was some

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strange stuff just in that area. The county that we

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lived in, interestingly enough, was like the number one sightings

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of Bigfoot in the state of Georgia, which isn't saying

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much because it's Georgia, but it's still kind of a

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flex So we decide, hey, we definitely don't want to

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live in this state, thought about Colorado, thought about Montana,

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thought about moving further into the Appleatches, but we're like,

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we really love the idea of moving to small mountaintown

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in Montana. Let's go on a cross country road trip

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celebrate my recent college graduation and just see if it's

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something that we would like to move to, because we'd

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never been out here before. At the time, we specifically

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wanted to move to Billings, which I'm so glad we

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didn't because that's more of a city, you know, yeah,

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you know about it. So we plot our trek and

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the way that we were going. As we were driving

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north through Tennessee, we were going to stop and have

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dinner with or It was more of like a lunch

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with his grandparents in Kentucky, then start going west and

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then we drive through Billings, southwest Montana up to Glacier

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National Park and then come back, kind of going across

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the northern states of the United States, just to give

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you the concept. So obviously day one of this trip,

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hour three of this trip, we're in Tennessee and me

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being me, I want to yeah, exactly, me being me,

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I want to make this like a paranormal tour of

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the United States. So every hotel that we had was haunted.

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Every stop along the way was going to be haunted,

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mainly because at this point I'm like fully a believer

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to the point where it's like a fault. My husband,

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on the other hand, is is still but like at

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the time, was a very staunch skeptic. Now he's sort

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of come over to believing in some things, mainly because

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of this experience that we've had, but at the time

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he's like, no, I don't believe in any of it,

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like borderline like atheists, like you know. So it's also

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my personal mission at this point to prove him wrong. Yeah,

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bear in mind I had just started really like within

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the last like year and a half two years, really

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getting into paranormal research and taking it seriously, because when

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I was eighteen nineteen years old, it was more of

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a hobby. But in my like earlier twenties, I'm like,

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let's see if I can make a go of this

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in a professional setting. Right, So I'm not well versed

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in what I'm doing, if that makes sense, Like I'm

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not very skilled in comparison where I'm at now ten

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years into it. So I was dumb to be like

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so for real with you, Like the way that I

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went about all of this was incredibly irresponsible and in hindsight,

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I wish I hadn't done this. So take this as

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a cautionary tale. If you're just now getting into this field,

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things can go wrong and like crap can hit the

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fan pretty quickly, so just be forewarned. So we're driving

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through eastern Tennessee, like we said, approaching Adam's Tennessee, which

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is where the Belwich Cave is. Have you talked about it?

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Like central? It's like north Central and it's right on

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the Kentucky border. It's well, it's close Belwich cap Oh

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my god, the Belwich Cafe.

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Would be quite the place.

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Right, wasn't it Bellwich? The Belwich Cave. It's not that

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far from like well, I mean it's out in the

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middle of nowhere actually, but it's yeah, it's like north

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Central because it's north of north west of Nashville. Right.

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Oh, okay, it's something like that. I know that because

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we stopped in Paducah for that like situation. It was

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that far from it.

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No, So I used I used to go to Paducah

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to Kentucky Lakes as a kid. I grew up in Illinois,

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and so we used to go down there. Still it's

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crazy down there, but anyway, anyway, but yeah, so you're

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kind of in between like it's it's almost like a

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triangle actually, And this is what's one of those things

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that kind of gets kind of you know how stuff

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gets sweaty between Land of the Lakes, Land between the

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Lakes and National Recreation Area, which is in Kentucky. You

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have Mammoth Cave National Park over here, and then you've

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got the Bow which Cave is like right between those,

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and so it creates like this triangle.

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Give me my dog wants out of here. I guess,

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so about that, just saying.

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That's kind of where it's at, and yeah, yeah, so

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here I just hold it up. Yeah. So it's north

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north west of Nashville.

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So yeah, that sounds right because we left Nashville. Take

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a long story even longer. We left Nashville and we're

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in between Adamsville or adams Tennessee and Nashville, yep, driving

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to this place. And I told Todd, I'm like, I

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want to, like, we should go and stop and see this.

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And while we're going there, I'm playing a podcast. I

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think I forget which one it was, but one of

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the Paranormal Podcasts is talking about Sally the Belwich Cave

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and there's this curse allegedly where if you take something

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from the property, you will be cursed by the Bell Witch. Again,

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I have no base, or I mean I do have

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some sort of basis. I knew what I was doing

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is wrong. I did it. Anyways, we go to the cave,

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we're taking our tour, and I pick up a rock

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because again I want to prove to my husband that

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this is like real stuff. And I think two years

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into doing this, I have the wherewithal to be able

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to get rid of whatever it is that might follow

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in the event that anything follows newsplash. I don't, Yeah,

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newsplash at the time, I didn't. I still don't ten

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years later, Like I still don't know how to get

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rid of whatever it is that this entity is. But

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we leave the Belwich Cave after taking our little tour,

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which to be so for real it's kind of a

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tourist strap. But also at the same time, if you

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can go, don't do the tour of the house because

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it's a model of the house. The original house is

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still existing, but it's still on the family's property, right

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so they remade the house and it's like creepy, like

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you get to hear the story and then you can

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go into the cave. But we, like I said, just

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finished listening to a podcast episode about it and would

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have saved a lot of time if we anyways, suffice

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it to say, we just do the cave tour and

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don't take anything from it. But we finish our tour,

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we get back in the car. We're driving to Paduca,

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have a lovely lunch with his family, and then it's

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my turn for the first time in this trip to

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drive the behemoth land yacht that my father in law owns.

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So like that was nerve wrecking in and of itself,

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because this is a massive car. I drive a Toyota camera,

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or I did at the time, so it was quite

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the adjustment. Yeah, And almost instantly out of nowhere and

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like this happens in the South, to like take this

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with a grain of salt. But out of nowhere, storm

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clouds roll in and it's like to the point where

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I'm like, if you've driven in a southern torrential downpour,

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you'll understand kind of how nerve wracking this is. But

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we're going across this like little bridge. It's like a

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suspension bridge, but there's no room for any sort of

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any error at all. Visibility is low because it's like downpouring.

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And we get off of the bridge and we're you know,

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and me and my mid panic of trying to drive

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on this with a semi coming towards me in the rain.

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We get off. We're by a river. I don't I

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don't know what it is, but I think at this

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point we're in Missouri. Maybe if that's my geography is right,

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maybe okay, that makes sense. But we get off and

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then not out of nowhere, but pretty randomly, it feels

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like lightning strikes and I don't think it hit our car,

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but the force of it shook our car to the

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point where I felt like energy in the small of

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my back. I don't know how to how else to

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describe it, Like it was jarring, And at that point

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I'm like, this is that was the most bizarre thing

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I've ever experienced. I'm not saying it was paranormal activity

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at that point in time, but this does come back up.

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I was just taken aback because I've never been that

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close to lightning striking. I don't think it hit the

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car at one point when I was younger, I did,

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and then I realized that's highly illogical. But you know,

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it was to the point where it was very very

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close to the point where it shook our car, and

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I felt some sort of a charge in my body.

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So then we keep driving and this thick fog rolls in,

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which kind of makes sense in terms of like the weather,

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it stops raining, thick fog rolls in. I'm not thinking

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too much of that other than the fact that I

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have no idea where I am, and we end up

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getting lost on our way to the next hotel, which

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by my estimate should have put us there, like we

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would have gotten there late, but not as late as

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we did. Like it was to the point I think

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we ended up checking into this like random hotel in Podunk,

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like Missouri or wherever we were staying, I can't remember now.

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And it was like three am, and I want to

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say that I had plotted it out to be another

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like five hours, so it should have been like ten

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to eleven o'clock when we got there. So we got lost

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to the point of like pushing us back several hours. Wow,

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So that was strange. But again we can attribute that

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to just not knowing where we are and poor visibility whatever. Right,

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the rest of our trip is relatively normal until we

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get to Billings, which bear in mind, this is the

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place that like my husband and I were thinking, like,

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if we move here, this is possibly where we're gonna

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want to go. Glad we didn't. And one of the

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reasons why is because as we're checking in to where

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we were staying, it was an airbnb, not a hotel,

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So this isn't one of the haunted locations that we

462
00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:03.640
stayed at. It was just a normal Airbnb on a

463
00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:08.640
downpound strip in Billings, Montana. We both get violently ill

464
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:13.079
for the entirety, like I know it's kind of gross,

465
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:15.440
but for the entirety of our stay, like I've never

466
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:20.319
been more sick in my entire life. Wow, to the

467
00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:22.079
point where like we couldn't even go out and like

468
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:25.079
explore any of the city, which was the whole point

469
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:27.200
of us going out there is to see if this

470
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:29.440
is a place where we want to live, right, And

471
00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:31.160
it puts such a bad taste in our mouth that

472
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.359
we were like, this isn't for us, Even though that's

473
00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:35.920
not really fair to Billings because it obviously it wasn't

474
00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:39.000
its fault, but we were so sick that it just

475
00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:40.960
was like, I don't even want to be here anymore.

476
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:45.039
We only stayed in that town for two days, and

477
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:47.119
by the time, like as we were driving away from

478
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:50.240
this town, we were sick the entire time. Even leaving

479
00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:53.039
our airbnb, We're still not feeling well. But it seemed

480
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:55.279
like the further and further that we got away from Billings,

481
00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:59.440
the better we felt. H So it's like we were

482
00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:03.200
being I hate to say, pushed away from it. But

483
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:04.960
it was just kind of one of those things where

484
00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:08.160
it's like, oh, I feel better, but it seems to

485
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:10.079
be getting better the farther and farther we're getting away

486
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:14.079
from this town, which is far, which is odd given

487
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:16.559
that like this is where we would like to live,

488
00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:20.119
you know. But again, I'm still not thinking very much

489
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:22.039
of it, and I don't think much of it until

490
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:24.920
years later after we've made the move to Montana. But

491
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.880
more on that a little later. We go and do

492
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:30.200
the rest of our trips. So we go up to

493
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:35.519
Glacier National Park and do the whole like hiking touristy thing.

494
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:39.839
It's a really like it's a super cool, like still

495
00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:41.720
I feel like it feels like a different planet up there,

496
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.200
and I love going to visit. But we're coming back

497
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:48.160
down after we like stay our couple of days in

498
00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:52.519
Glacier National Park. We leave that area and we're driving

499
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:55.880
back down on A ninety, which is like the major

500
00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:00.880
interstate through Montana's you probably know. But we get to

501
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:04.960
a certain like point in our drive and we're like,

502
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:08.119
you know, I'm getting a little bit hungry. Definitely don't

503
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:12.160
want to stop in Billings because we just have an

504
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:15.519
aversion to it at this point. So we come across

505
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:19.480
these like exit signs outside of Bozeman, and we're like,

506
00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:21.480
we might as well just stop here because this might

507
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:25.000
be one of the only places that has food, like

508
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:28.000
fast food sort of stuff between here and Billings. The

509
00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:30.200
rest of it's going to be like ranch access stuff.

510
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.039
Billings is another several hours away, and then after that

511
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:34.839
we might as well just wait until Rapid City, which

512
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:37.279
is where we were staying at night. So we get

513
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:41.200
off and we're going down this like little circle exit,

514
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.079
if you know, I'm talking about like those little roundabout things.

515
00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:48.720
And as we're like driving through, we see a grocery store.

516
00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:52.240
There's a McDonald's which is where I want to eat

517
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:55.440
lunch a couple of gas stations in like a pizza

518
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:59.960
restaurant across the street from the McDonald's. And my husband's like,

519
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:01.640
I'm just gonna go eat at the pizza place because

520
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:04.839
I really don't want McDonald's after what happened to me

521
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:07.000
in buildings. I would just rather eat something that isn't

522
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:11.640
that because he doesn't like it anyways. Yeah, so he's like,

523
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:13.440
will you buy me a coke? Though? So I can

524
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:17.480
you know, at least have that to maybe settle my

525
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:20.759
stomach because he's still kind of a little queasy. We

526
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:24.720
so we're separated, our cars parked in the gas station

527
00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:28.359
parking lot because that's like the in between. Yeah, And

528
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:32.960
he's going back from or walking back from the pizza

529
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:37.119
place when I'm standing inside. All of a sudden, like

530
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:42.000
lightning strikes outside of the McDonald's to the point where

531
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:45.160
everything in the shopping complex, all of the power goes out.

532
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.559
And the thing is with Montana is like, we don't

533
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:50.440
we're high desert. We don't get a lot of pre

534
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:53.079
sip yea in the summertime. We really just we don't.

535
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:57.839
Know, you just don't get so we don't precipitation.

536
00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:01.759
Yeah, which is unfortunate for the wh fires. But suffice

537
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:04.319
it to say, most of the people that were in

538
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:07.240
this McDonald's were relatively shocked. It was to the point

539
00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:10.359
where like they couldn't even ring us up for our food.

540
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:12.880
They were just you know, you already placed your order, whatever,

541
00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:15.680
just take like we'll eat the three dollars of this

542
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:17.880
burger costs or whatever.

543
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:18.240
Yeah.

544
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:21.759
Right, So as I'm waiting because I'd already placed the

545
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:24.519
order and I'm waiting for them to you know, get

546
00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:26.759
the food out to us, my husband comes running in

547
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:28.400
and he looks white as a ghost, and I'm like,

548
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:31.480
what what just happened to you? Like, because I'm like,

549
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:35.519
you were obviously outside when the lightning struck, and he

550
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:37.559
was like, I swear to god, it came within like

551
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.000
ten feet of me, to the point so again he's

552
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:42.799
not struck by lightning, but.

553
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:45.960
He's but he can feel it everything.

554
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.119
Yeah, like the same sensation because like you can feel

555
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:49.720
it kind.

556
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:53.480
Of in your yeah, cushion and everything as well, so you.

557
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:56.640
Yeah, yeah, it's it was a bizarre like experience. And

558
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:58.640
at that point, like he's like, okay, we're taking the

559
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:03.079
rock back too many weird things have happened for me.

560
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:05.519
Like I'm like, you don't even like believe in it.

561
00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:07.759
And I'm kind of like smug because I'm like, you

562
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:10.559
don't you know this was my whole plan And he's like,

563
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:12.680
I almost just died in the parking.

564
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:21.319
Lot for failure, right, and so I didn't know he

565
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:22.799
was trying and kill us.

566
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:25.920
But you know, I mean like I didn't know he

567
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:27.640
was going to try to kill us. He like the

568
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:30.680
bell Witch did though allegedly kill John Bell. But it's

569
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:35.279
a whole thing. Whatever, So we drive back. The rest

570
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:37.240
of it is pretty uneventful. We get back to the

571
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:41.799
bell Witch Cave, leave the rock, apologize, go about our lives.

572
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:44.559
I mean, it's fine, go about our lives for a

573
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.240
couple of years. And again I did this to myself,

574
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:50.920
so like I'm I'm saying this in jest because like,

575
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:53.960
you know, I made my bed, now I'm gonna lay

576
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:56.240
in it. A couple of years go by, we end

577
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:58.400
up actually moving to Montana, but we don't go to

578
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:00.680
Billings because number one, we didn't get to see it.

579
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:04.480
Number two, we haven't aversion to that. Like, I still

580
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:05.400
won't stop there.

581
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:08.960
I'm still you just have those those memories.

582
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:14.319
Yeah, unfortunately, Yeah, and so we didn't choose to go there.

583
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:17.559
And then also my husband got a job in Gallatin County,

584
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:21.480
so we moved to It's a little town called Belgrade.

585
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:24.799
And if you know anything about like the Bozeman area,

586
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:29.759
it's a very congested suburb of Bozeman, if Montana can

587
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:30.480
get congested.

588
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:32.799
Yeah, I do, I know what you mean.

589
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:35.640
Yeah, I mean we were living in a townhouse and

590
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:40.079
we now live on fourteen acres. Obviously we we like

591
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:44.559
the more rural side of this state.

592
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:45.519
Yeah, so.

593
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:49.559
Uh, probably about like six months into our least where

594
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:54.160
like maybe like we should look into buying property somewhere

595
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:57.720
that isn't in the like in a city, Like maybe

596
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:00.640
we should look to see it, like moving to somewhere

597
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:05.440
where we can consider like our forever home whatnot. So

598
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:07.640
we contact a realtor and we're like, this is our

599
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:11.160
these are our requirements. We want acreage at least ten acres.

600
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:14.200
We don't want to live in Gallatin County if we

601
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:15.880
can avoid it because it's too expensive.

602
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:17.880
Yeah, it's insane.

603
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.359
Yeah, and like and it's beautiful over there, I get it,

604
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:24.799
but it's it's so expensive and it's growing quite rapidly.

605
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:27.519
Towards the mountains. Right.

606
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:30.079
That's the other thing too, is I mean boze men

607
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:34.000
in Gallatin County, they are very much a mountain town,

608
00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:35.680
like that is a mountain area.

609
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:38.240
It is, But you're not in the mountains.

610
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:39.119
No, I mean you're not.

611
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:43.240
You're down in a hollow or a valley or whatever

612
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:44.680
you want to call it. Yeah.

613
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:48.200
Yeah, and it's it's very again, it's a very congested area.

614
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:49.559
As pretty as it is, it's just.

615
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:53.119
Not for it's getting worse. Well, COVID made it, it

616
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:54.240
just made it blow up.

617
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:54.799
Yeah.

618
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:59.200
Well, now now you can't even find housing. There's people

619
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:03.720
living in r v's all over the place. And now

620
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:07.559
they've got the U the ordnance, that town ordinance that

621
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.599
allows people to park their RVs on the side of

622
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:11.719
the streets.

623
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:13.760
They've actually done away with that, have they.

624
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.960
No. Last I was out there, they were still just

625
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:18.199
r vs everywhere.

626
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:21.559
Yeah, and it was horrible. And I mean as a

627
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:23.280
quick aside here and we'll get back to the story,

628
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:28.400
but my concern with it was people were being displaced

629
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:31.000
from their homes because, like you know, property values are

630
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:33.440
going up, and I mean even the house that we

631
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:36.320
were renting was sold out from under the people who

632
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:39.559
sublet like the lease from us because they were trying

633
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:42.760
to get a quick bang for their buck, which was devastating.

634
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:46.000
And you know that that happens all the time out here,

635
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:54.440
and so yeah, and I mean it's been like I

636
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:56.800
feel bad about it because it's like these people are

637
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:58.719
getting displaced from homes that they've been in for like

638
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:01.800
a really long time, and then they're in these RVs

639
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:06.079
and it's like negative like thirty degrees some nights, so

640
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:08.639
it can't be warm. So they have done away with that.

641
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:10.760
I'm not really sure what became of the people who

642
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:14.599
were staying around the Bozeman area in trailers. Hopefully they've

643
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:16.440
got their situation figured out.

644
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:18.400
But it was no problem for a while.

645
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:23.239
Yeah, they started, they started in like the last six months,

646
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:26.239
really cracking down on it because it can be quite

647
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:28.719
dangerous and there was also like a lot of crime

648
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:30.400
asis maybe it's because.

649
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:34.519
Of maybe it's because of weather as well.

650
00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:39.800
Yeah, it's I mean, like I said, it's like negative

651
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:42.079
thirty degrees some nights, even like this last week it's

652
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:45.480
been frigid. But to get back to the story, we

653
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:49.119
are we contact Realtoro and we're like, hey, these are

654
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:51.679
kind of our requirements, and she goes, there's one place

655
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:53.840
that I think you guys might like, and to be

656
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:55.679
so fur real with you, it's like the only thing

657
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:57.840
that meets those requirements. So it's this or like you're

658
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:01.440
going to be waiting a while, mainly again because of

659
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:05.440
how like the property values in the state at the time,

660
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:08.280
we're just starting to skyrocket. So we really were like

661
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:11.559
we need to get that. We really did, but it

662
00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:13.840
at least in my opinion, sort of came at a price.

663
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:15.960
I wouldn't trade any of this, but it's just there's

664
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:18.400
one thing where it's like this all makes sense now,

665
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:21.079
like this is coming full circle. So we meet her

666
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:23.119
in her downtown office in the town that I live

667
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:26.960
in now, and we take one exit off of the

668
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:30.599
interstate that we you know, the more direct way to

669
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:32.559
get to her office, and then she's going to take

670
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:34.440
us to this house. So we get in her truck

671
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:36.800
and we're driving out to the property. And as we're

672
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:40.559
driving from town outside of town because I live not

673
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:45.000
in town, things are starting to become more familiar. So

674
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:49.400
we see a little loop de loop exit off of

675
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:53.920
the interstate. We see a gas station and a grocery

676
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:57.159
store in a McDonald's and a pizza joint across the

677
00:36:57.159 --> 00:36:59.039
street from it. We're like, oh my god, this is

678
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:01.599
where you were almost by lightning for the second time

679
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:05.960
in a four day period. What is the probably closer

680
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:07.760
to a five day period or whatever, but what are

681
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:11.679
the odds of that? So essentially we ended up buying

682
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:14.519
the house because there was nowhere else for us to

683
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:17.679
be able to go. Really, like, we knew we needed

684
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:19.480
to buy something, and this seemed to be the only

685
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:23.079
rational option within our price range unless we wanted to

686
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:24.920
give up on some stuff, which I guess we could have,

687
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:29.280
but obviously we didn't, right, So all in all, we

688
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:33.280
were like, I think that the Bell Witch predicted, not

689
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:37.159
really even predicted, but was telling us I am always

690
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:39.719
going to know where you are, Like, this will make

691
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:41.480
sense in three years when you move out here, I

692
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:44.119
will always know where you are, right, And then the

693
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:47.039
activity in this house has been insane. I don't know

694
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:51.760
how much you know about that story, but allegedly this

695
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:55.480
spirit comes back in seven year intervals to torment the

696
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:57.920
Bell family as well as the people who it's cursed,

697
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:03.119
right from my understand it, and when I did the math.

698
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:06.280
I want to say, what year was that, like twenty

699
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:11.679
twenty two, No, twenty twenty three was the seventh year

700
00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:15.440
in that cycle, the first seventh, like the first seventh

701
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:17.400
year in the cycle since I took a rock from

702
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:20.800
that location. And that year was easily like the most

703
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:25.280
difficult year of my life. Our house caught fire three

704
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:31.239
separate times that wow, and like things were happening in threes.

705
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:36.559
There were like instances of like let's just say matters

706
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:38.360
of life and death that came up in like three

707
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:41.880
different occasions to the point where we're like, something is

708
00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:46.840
like happening. So like on one occasion, we had like

709
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:49.480
our chimney catch fire, and then on two separate occasions,

710
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:53.360
I had like our like stovetop catch fire, which again

711
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:56.159
it's an older house and maybe like I needed to

712
00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:58.639
clean it or whatever to give benefit of the doubt.

713
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:00.920
But on one occasion, I literally had a lot of

714
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:04.519
boiling water catch fire, like the inside of the pot.

715
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:07.719
And that's weird, which shouldn't.

716
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:12.519
Happen, shouldn't be like physically possible, right, And then we

717
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:16.239
I've seen seen shadows in our like more out of

718
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:17.599
the corner of my eye. But to the point and

719
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:23.679
only during this year, like this year interval so seen

720
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:25.159
shadows out of the corner of my eye to the

721
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:27.920
point where I'm like, that's interesting. And then on when

722
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:30.480
I'm telling this story on the podcast, because again I've

723
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:34.440
shared the story on my own podcast as well, I'm

724
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:37.800
listening or I'm speaking and talking about the paranormal activity

725
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:41.239
that's going on in my home, and in doing that,

726
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:44.559
I hear and I caught it on audio some one

727
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:48.559
or something crunching in the snow outside of like my

728
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:52.719
recording space. Yeah, and at the time it was like

729
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:55.639
maybe about six inches to a foot of snow on

730
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:58.480
the ground. So I ripped my headphones off and look,

731
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.920
and there's nobody out there, as there shouldn't be. I

732
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:03.239
live on fourteen acres on the side of a mountain,

733
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:08.320
so there really shouldn't be anyone on the property. There

734
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:11.679
were no footprints, no animals, nothing, And it was a

735
00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:16.480
man's gate, like an adult person's gate, walking through the snow,

736
00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:19.280
and you can hear it on audio. I ended up

737
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:21.599
taking the music out to like really be like you

738
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:24.519
can hear it. It's the Halloween episode from my first

739
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:27.280
year doing it. So if you want to go check

740
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:32.360
that out. Another shameless plug. Sorry about it, but I

741
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:37.800
just after that year things started to calm down. So

742
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.360
like twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five thus far

743
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:44.960
have not been huge in terms of paranormal activity, but

744
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:50.719
that one year interval, like we had livestock die in threes,

745
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:55.719
three fires, three other that I don't really want to

746
00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:59.320
get into, three matters of life and death occurring as well,

747
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:02.280
And it was just like any time that I could

748
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:03.280
be faced with some sort.

749
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:06.320
Of part three sets of threes.

750
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:09.000
Yeah, it was always sets of threes, but.

751
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:14.400
Then it was three separate incidents.

752
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:19.599
Oh that has never occurred to me, but yeah, the pattern, right, yeah,

753
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:25.800
so I mean in terms of to me that nine

754
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:30.280
total occurrences but three sets of three. Yeah. So it

755
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:35.079
started with the live stock than the fires then, or no,

756
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:39.400
I guess the live stock and the fires happened very

757
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:44.159
in rapid succession to one another. The other events that

758
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:47.760
occurred that were a bit more tragic and upsetting, they

759
00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:53.760
happened like three throughout the year, if that makes sense.

760
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:57.639
So and now it just seems like I still just

761
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:01.800
have that one spirit that like makes me coffee and

762
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:05.400
turns on the lights sometimes and he seems cool and

763
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:07.519
I don't feel like he needs to leave, And honestly,

764
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.519
I'm happy that he followed us from George because I

765
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:12.400
didn't think he was going to make it out here

766
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.679
with that move. So to me, it almost feels like

767
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:17.559
maybe not one of us, but maybe one of our

768
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:20.519
objects could be like haunted by this spirit.

769
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:25.800
So it literally could be anything. Yeah, you don't know

770
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:30.199
what they can attach to or what they do attached to,

771
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:35.320
or whether it's you or it's an inaminate inanimate object.

772
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:39.000
Yeah, it's hard to say, and I really do think too,

773
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:42.320
especially that spirit, the spirit of mister Pugh as I

774
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:50.199
call him, he has history associated with my husband's childhood home.

775
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:54.800
So if it's like associated with a person, at least

776
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:57.000
in my mind, have to be his, Like it has

777
00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:59.519
to be him, or if it's an object, it's got

778
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:01.840
to be something from his childhood that we've like a

779
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:07.480
keepsake that we've brought with us. So yeah, that's my

780
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:11.519
I guess long when an answer to your question, that

781
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:15.119
was my gateway story into being Like, Okay, I can't

782
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:18.639
ignore this anymore. This is the most horrific yet fascinating

783
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:19.880
thing I've ever encountered.

784
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:22.800
So yeah, no, I got you.

785
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:26.079
And it's brought me a lot of good content but

786
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:30.199
also a lot of stress and anxiety. So as a

787
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:33.039
cautionary tale, if you think you can deal with it,

788
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:36.559
no you can't. Don't make haunted objects from haunted places,

789
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:37.639
because you will.

790
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:40.639
Especially when you're warned not to. Like it would be

791
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:44.159
one thing if it was like, ah, I'm going to

792
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.559
take a rock, but nobody told me, you know.

793
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:51.119
I Like you come across something blair Witch style and

794
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:53.280
you have no idea like what it is, right, You're

795
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:55.119
just like out in the woods and you're like, oh,

796
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:59.519
like this is a really beautiful like abandoned kind of

797
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:03.840
stone structure. I can't take a rock from just as

798
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:05.440
like a momentum of the case.

799
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:10.039
Yeah, So like I have like this cool So where

800
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:13.039
I live in upstate New York. Well you go way

801
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:18.119
upstate like Vermont, like Lake Champlain. So you're like on

802
00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:22.519
Lake Champlain on the New York side. There's this old

803
00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:29.920
fort that was like a Civil War fort Okay, not

804
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:32.360
a Revolutionary War fort, but it was a Civil War

805
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:40.320
fort back right on the water right, and I have

806
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:44.119
a bunch of and it's reported to be haunted as well.

807
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:50.320
But I have some rocks from there, right, Okay, no issues, none,

808
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.599
zero issues. But I took them and like they're cool.

809
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:56.440
I've kind of got them set aside because I want

810
00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:59.360
to like do like shadow boxes for my kids or whatever.

811
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:06.159
That's what I'm talking about. But when something when somebody's like, yeah,

812
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:09.519
we've had incidents where people have you know, well.

813
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:13.320
It's like it's like if you're going to like Key

814
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:16.320
West and you go see Robert the Doll and you know,

815
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:19.159
a picture of him without asking, but.

816
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:22.519
Well, it's like, what's that? What are those boys names?

817
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:23.159
Those kids?

818
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:27.840
Oh? I know you're talking about Sam cancer Sam and

819
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:31.360
Sorry that was like a really nasty way about it something.

820
00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:34.719
Yeah, No, he did get cancer, But.

821
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:35.360
Didn't it be like.

822
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:40.079
I don't think that's his name, Samon something.

823
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:42.519
Sam and something, which is awful because I think that's

824
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:43.000
the one.

825
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:47.639
That got here, Sam and Colby. Colby's the one that

826
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:48.159
got sick.

827
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:51.760
Yeah, And it was like right after they had gone

828
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:52.719
to that, wasn't it.

829
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:56.039
Yeah, well within that year yeah, And.

830
00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:57.960
Like that's the thing. It's terrifying, And that's one of

831
00:45:58.039 --> 00:45:59.239
the things he's going to do.

832
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:03.159
He's got like traumatic he's got like PTSD from that

833
00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:09.960
whole thing. So your daughter, my youngest daughters like obsessed

834
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.079
with them, like them, like their shows, so h her

835
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:17.559
and I watch it all the time. Yeah, and ex

836
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:21.400
it is and they did like that. Cool. Uh, you

837
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:25.000
know they've done They've done a lot, and they did

838
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:29.840
the Conjuring House a couple of different places, right, and

839
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:33.079
but one of the shows, one of the last shows

840
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:38.559
that they've just done, they went and saw like the

841
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:44.079
Triffect of Crazy Annabelle, Robert Dedall and then some other

842
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:48.920
doll and they went and visited visited all three of them,

843
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:53.800
and then Sam got again here we go. We're talking

844
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:56.039
about Rocks from Bellish.

845
00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:59.639
You're not just like always does that though, I feel

846
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:02.400
like any some of his videos, like some of their videos,

847
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:05.159
he's pushing the envelope, which always I have respect for

848
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:07.199
it is some degree because obviously I do it too.

849
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.000
But that's wild to do.

850
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:14.880
With those with those dolls. So he took pictures of

851
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:19.119
all through polaroids, brought them all together at the last

852
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:28.239
stop watch it. Okay, it's super crazy. And uh, they

853
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:32.639
they have like a I've never seen them argue and

854
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:36.000
they both get visibly upset with each other. And it's

855
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:37.639
it's intense, so.

856
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:41.159
I'll check it out. I mean, especially if you're revisiting that.

857
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:44.880
Did Coby know that he was taking.

858
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.880
The no and that's that's the kicker.

859
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:52.000
Okay, get pissed, Okay, Okay.

860
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:54.599
Also you can see that there's a point when he's

861
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:58.159
like there's one point where he is in front of

862
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:04.519
Robert the Doll and he's like heartfelt, yeah, apologizing to

863
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:07.079
the stall. See yeah, I.

864
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:10.639
Mean, like that's a traumatizing experience, and again it could

865
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:15.599
be coincidence, and like, honestly, I'm happy that he's like

866
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:19.719
seems to be recovering, yeah, because I mean I feel

867
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:21.119
like for a while there are a lot of like

868
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:24.800
big like YouTube creators were going like we're all getting

869
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:28.360
like some sort of terminal thing. So I'm really glad

870
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:32.039
that it's not like, yeah, with all the thing that

871
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:35.360
we've done, he seems to be doing better. But I

872
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:38.880
can only imagine like how traumatizing that must be to

873
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:42.800
like face that again after the fact that it could

874
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.639
again all be coincidence. But there's a part of me

875
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:51.519
that's like, was it wasn't like this is this is

876
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:52.960
a huge coincidence.

877
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:56.000
It's like you have to. It's just kind of a

878
00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:59.679
cautionary tale that it is ridiculous as you think it

879
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:08.239
may be. Right, These things, these entities, these powers, these

880
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:13.440
this stuff exists like I have. I'm not going to

881
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:16.159
go into it because I know my audience is really

882
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:20.119
sick of hearing about it. But I've had a what

883
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:24.960
I would say is an incident with earning incident. It's

884
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:28.599
not the right word, but a couple run ins with

885
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:31.440
an entity that I would say is lolith.

886
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:36.480
No way, Oh my god, so interested I want to

887
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:40.960
I know that you've already talked about it maybe and.

888
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:47.320
That said nauseum, but again, it involves owls and rebuking

889
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:53.679
and calling on Jesus, and it's pretty intense. So that's

890
00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:57.360
one of my experiences. And so I know, I know

891
00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:00.519
what you're saying, is that yet all they did was

892
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:06.039
take a rock mhm. But all this stuff happened that

893
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:07.159
it doesn't.

894
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:10.320
Still yeah, and it still seems to be ongoing.

895
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:14.440
And I think we innately know m hmm, when weird

896
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:16.199
things are happening, right.

897
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:19.480
Yeah, sorry, go ahead, no.

898
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:20.079
You go ahead.

899
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:23.360
I was it was more of just bear in mind

900
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:28.320
with this. I had all these like weird incidents in

901
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:31.239
twenty twenty whatever. I think it was twenty twenty three

902
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:33.679
that all this was going on, which is another three

903
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:40.000
just to throw that out. So we about halfway through

904
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:41.639
that year, I did the math because I'm like, what

905
00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:45.360
is happening? And like, is this because it always bothered

906
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:48.559
It's always bothered me that I bought a house off

907
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:51.119
of the same exit where my husband was almost struck

908
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:54.679
by lightning for this second time. Right, it's just always

909
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:56.559
freaked me out, giving me the willies.

910
00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:59.320
Like and rightly, so I feel like absolutely so.

911
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:01.880
I it's not like I did the math ahead of

912
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.199
time and was like, oh, this year is going to

913
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:06.440
be nuts, because it's the seventh year in the cycle.

914
00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:09.159
Half of the incidents had already occurred at the point

915
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:13.760
that I decided to figure out when exactly the bell

916
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:17.960
which was going to return, and then presumably what would

917
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:19.440
seven years after that point be.

918
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:23.800
Yeah, so when you know what I mean, twenty three,

919
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:27.239
so that would be twenty thirty, right, maybe we'll have

920
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:31.039
to do some getting ready getting ready work, you know

921
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:31.480
what I mean?

922
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:35.480
Yeah, So, I mean and like at that point, maybe

923
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.960
I'm creating a fallacy and like the sense of killing prophecy.

924
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:40.119
But who knows, maybe not.

925
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:42.039
I mean, at the end of the day, what is

926
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:46.440
all what is life all about? I mean I think

927
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:48.880
what I was going to say is, at the end

928
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:54.159
of the day, we're spiritual beings at the core, right, yeah,

929
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:56.320
I mean you can believe that, you can't, you know,

930
00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:58.840
it's it's up to you. But at the end of

931
00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:02.159
the day, there's no there's something else going on with

932
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:07.920
us that is beyond this meet suit right right.

933
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:11.400
We're having what is that saying we're spiritual being having

934
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:13.159
a physical experience.

935
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:16.719
Or something like that. So because there's just too much

936
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:22.679
evidence that says otherwise, right, near death experiences, astral projection,

937
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:25.920
I mean, you just name it that. There's so many things.

938
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:30.679
So at the end of the day, there's a lot

939
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:34.039
of stuff out there. I think what this whole podcast

940
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:37.639
has really shown me, and I know that you've been

941
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:41.000
doing this for a while too. We don't know anything.

942
00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:44.760
We don't know shit about shit, and exactly at the

943
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:46.559
end of the day, as soon as we start, we

944
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:48.519
just have to be open to it, and we have

945
00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:53.880
to be safe and we have to be careful, right,

946
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:58.360
I mean, have some have some armor on it, you know,

947
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:01.599
when you go into some of these situation exactly.

948
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:03.800
That's kind of what I was saying to the friend

949
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:07.599
who came with me to Hotel Saint Pierre. She asks

950
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:09.760
at some point in that episode, like what do you

951
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:13.639
do to prepare yourself when you're coming in to these locations?

952
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:15.519
And I'm explaining it to her, the concept of a

953
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:20.400
spiritual ego where you and again this this term has

954
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:23.760
changed quite a bit with like the rise of like metaphysics.

955
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:26.079
And I said this in the episode, but I really

956
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:29.360
do feel like we're in a second wave of spiritualism,

957
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:31.599
just with the overall interest in this.

958
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:35.199
There's a semblance of a great awakening.

959
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:40.039
Ish yeah type yeah, yes, so in a nutshell, or

960
00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:43.039
at least when I first started doing this. The concept

961
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:46.719
of a spiritual ego is your ego can be high

962
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:50.800
or low, regardless of what medium you're speaking about. So

963
00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:54.239
when you have a high spiritual ego, you're closing yourself

964
00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:59.360
off to the any sort of paranormal activity or experience

965
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:02.559
or encounter you can have. And usually that's due to

966
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:08.880
fear in it, like whether you let if you're subconsciously

967
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:12.679
scared of having an experience in a paranormal location, you're

968
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:16.559
going to close yourself off to it because spirits can

969
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:19.039
sense that, and a lot of times, a lot of

970
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:21.400
times they really do try to be respectful, believe it

971
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:25.320
or not. So you actively have to work on lowering

972
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:28.280
your spiritual ego in order to have one of these things. So,

973
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:31.000
like you said, it's opening yourself up and trying to

974
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:34.960
be safe about it. So keeping your spiritual ego high

975
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:38.320
in places like the Belwitch Cave that are obviously very

976
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:42.440
very dangerous locations to explore and take stuff from. And

977
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:44.840
then when you're going into a positive location like Hotel

978
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:47.360
Saint Pierre, really really try if you want to have

979
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:50.519
an experience, try to lower that ego. Try to open

980
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:55.719
yourself up to it. My little advice for the week,

981
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:56.440
I guess, But.

982
00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:00.280
Yeah, no, I So I'm actually pulling something up because

983
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:06.000
I you just triggered a memory in me that And

984
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:12.760
it was an episode of the show called Nephelim Death Squad.

985
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:16.400
I don't know if you've ever heard of him, but

986
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:21.960
it's a a gentleman named Austin Picard who is on there.

987
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:27.119
Who is he? He's got some big podcasts he does

988
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:31.920
like true crime, and then he also is a he

989
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:34.639
does paranormal stuff. Too, but he was talking about the

990
00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:40.880
Delphi murders, but he was saying that it's so often

991
00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:46.440
they'll go like, okay, So example, he went to the

992
00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:53.960
Eastern States Penitentiary in uh Pennsylvania, which is people after

993
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:57.679
person after person after medium after psychic will tell you

994
00:55:57.760 --> 00:55:59.960
it's still like the one of the most haunted voices

995
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:05.119
in the US. They rented him his show, rented out

996
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:08.440
the whole place for as you do, the entire night,

997
00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:12.119
and did an investigation. But he had two skeptics with

998
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:21.000
him and they had nothing. Zero, Nothing happened. And it's

999
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:25.920
because because they're not open to the idea of it happening.

1000
00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:29.559
So literally, what he's saying is that he's been doing

1001
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:32.239
this about ten years or so, right, maybe maybe a

1002
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:35.320
little longer. He's like, every time I have somebody that's

1003
00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:40.400
the skeptic with me, I don't experience hardly anything.

1004
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:44.559
So right because they're not they're not opening themselves up

1005
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:47.639
to it. It's that's the thing with skepticism that I

1006
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:51.239
really really try to remind myself, like, you can't do

1007
00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:56.239
this job and be wholly skeptical because it gets to

1008
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:58.239
the point where it gets in the way of your objectivity.

1009
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:04.760
But when you go somewhere with like a skeptic and

1010
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:09.800
they're like I even if something happens, something.

1011
00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:13.800
Could happen, they'll make excuses for it, or they'll be like,

1012
00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:15.599
well that could be this blah blah blah, which you

1013
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:19.400
can and I'm all about having a thing like a

1014
00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:23.360
sheer streak of skepticism. But at the end of the day,

1015
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:27.599
things that happen happen, you know, right, And I.

1016
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:30.559
Mean like trying, I try to. I try to debunk

1017
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:34.000
things too, and I always will, but at some point

1018
00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:35.920
when it's just like, I can't explain that when a

1019
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:39.280
pot of boiling water the water part of it catches

1020
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:41.800
on fire in my house, I'm sorry. I don't know

1021
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:45.880
how to explain that other than something otherworldly, something that

1022
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:47.639
goes beyond the laws of physics.

1023
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:50.800
I mean, it's one thing to deal with sound sounds

1024
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:54.280
like let's say you hear, like you know, walking through

1025
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:57.599
a home, or something could be what could.

1026
00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:00.960
Be a million things, how subtle, right.

1027
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:04.920
Right or whatever, whatever whatever excuse whatever it is. You're

1028
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:08.360
standing there doing a sasquatch. You know, you're in a

1029
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:12.440
in a listening point, right, and you're listening forrests are alive.

1030
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:14.519
There's just noises everywhere.

1031
00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:15.719
Right, But but.

1032
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:19.199
You know, and it doesn't mean just because you hear

1033
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:21.239
walking through the woods. It could be a deer, it

1034
00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:23.880
could be a bear, it could be all kinds of stuff.

1035
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:27.599
But as soon as you hear that that thing whatever's

1036
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:32.039
there yell or like sound like or sound like a

1037
00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:36.239
monkey literally in the woods, then you kind of have

1038
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:39.880
to shut that skeptic part off and be like, Okay, something,

1039
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:42.280
I don't know what this is. Something's going on.

1040
00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:45.719
Right, Remind me too, because I again, I'm not the

1041
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:48.519
biggest believer, but I so like, if there's any cryptid

1042
00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:50.400
that I'm ever going to believe in, it's either going

1043
00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:51.719
to be sasquatch or mothman.

1044
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:53.079
Right.

1045
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:57.320
I just think the stories are really interesting. But again, right,

1046
00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:00.599
to sound very hypocritical, I'd like to see it for myself.

1047
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:05.920
But wouldn't we all? Yeah, but that we love or whatever?

1048
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:07.960
But sure, who knows.

1049
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:12.239
I don't. I really don't even try and take pictures anymore, Like,

1050
00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:19.159
I just don't because every time I've tried, I can't

1051
00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:22.079
tell you how many times I've had devices just drain

1052
00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:26.280
energy drink right, And I mean, but that happens with

1053
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:30.199
paranormal experiences too, So I'm like, come on, man, like

1054
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:32.280
what am I dealing here with? Right, It's got to

1055
00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:35.599
be something's going on. But yeah, I mean we can

1056
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:38.440
go down these rabbit hops continuously and and at the

1057
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:40.280
end of the day, it's it's just fun.

1058
00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:45.079
And I think I'd rather live in a world where

1059
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:47.599
ghosts and monsters exist than live in a world where yeah.

1060
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:51.480
Right, But it also makes you realize too, you know,

1061
00:59:51.639 --> 00:59:54.119
like we don't we don't have any of this figured out,

1062
00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:56.840
and at the end of the day that we live

1063
00:59:56.880 --> 01:00:01.440
in a pretty wonderful, amazing world in universe or or

1064
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:05.679
or whatever you want to call it, right where this

1065
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:10.320
stuff happens. Yeah, and it's pretty cool. So you know,

1066
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:12.239
I guess you can look at it as a blessing.

1067
01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:16.599
But so many people just want to stick their head

1068
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:20.760
in the sand literally in live in ostrich Land, which

1069
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:23.119
is fine, everyone's you know.

1070
01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:26.599
But my question though, going back to the bigfoot thing,

1071
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:30.800
what the sound that he makes or it or whatever

1072
01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:34.960
makes in like the woods when it's like because don't

1073
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:37.280
they aren't they known to like watch people. Is it

1074
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:39.360
streaming or is it like knocking rocks or.

1075
01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:43.079
Is it well, there's multiple. So you've got you've gotten knocks,

1076
01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:52.079
which there's many theories. Now, we obviously do knocks with sticks,

1077
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:57.119
I'm literally but they're there's certain types of sticks, right,

1078
01:00:57.239 --> 01:00:59.679
and we knock them together. But do I think sasquatch

1079
01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:03.679
as well walking around with sticks in the sand their hands? No,

1080
01:01:03.880 --> 01:01:07.480
I don't. So I think if you think about this,

1081
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:10.719
there's there's a couple theories. One of them is that

1082
01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:12.920
they can make the noise with their mouth.

1083
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:15.239
Oh okay, I've never heard where it's.

1084
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:17.199
Kind of like a like we can cluck, you know,

1085
01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:21.960
like that they just able to do it really loud.

1086
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:27.119
Or one of the other theories too is think about

1087
01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:31.119
a like a like a mountain gorillam and when they

1088
01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:36.800
pop their chest that sound that it makes, or it

1089
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:39.519
could just be them picking something up and knocking against

1090
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:40.760
a tree, you know.

1091
01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:43.079
That's the only one I've heard of was like they

1092
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:46.159
were doing like it's like a warning sound.

1093
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:49.760
Yeah, it's well, they're they're they're what we call wood knocks.

1094
01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:50.719
Okay.

1095
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:53.159
And so because that's literally what it sounds like, it

1096
01:01:53.199 --> 01:01:59.280
sounds like two Do I have them done? M I

1097
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:02.880
mean I have I have two sticks that I and

1098
01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:05.079
I can't remember what hardwood they're made on. But it

1099
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:09.760
literally boom clack clack, and and I've done it and

1100
01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:14.679
my research area and I get responses so cool, and

1101
01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:18.039
I know it's not a person, yeah, because we're in

1102
01:02:18.079 --> 01:02:22.199
the middle of a ninety five acre track where nobody lives.

1103
01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:25.719
And also why would another person just be out there?

1104
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:31.320
I'm just going to respond, he's bizarre, right, So.

1105
01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:36.039
Unless unless it's like another researcher. Yeah, but it's not

1106
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:38.519
slim to none chance of that.

1107
01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:43.239
So like there's that. But then they also make vocalizations

1108
01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:46.719
and you can go online and like look, especially like

1109
01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:51.079
some of the best are what are called the Sierra Sounds,

1110
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:55.000
and that'll blow your mind, Okay, and it's from a

1111
01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:59.760
gentleman's name. His name is Ron Moorehead and he uh

1112
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:02.679
is a sasquatch researcher still is to this day. He

1113
01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:05.280
but these were done back in the seventies, so they

1114
01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:10.239
were done with real like audio like on tape, right,

1115
01:03:11.400 --> 01:03:17.519
and they are pretty insane and intense, like and he's

1116
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:23.559
communicating like mimicking, and you can tell they get pissed's

1117
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:27.880
they're like yeah right, So so check them out. They're

1118
01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:33.199
the Sierra Sounds. There. It's really it's good. It's pretty good.

1119
01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:37.199
But I've I've had a couple experiences where well, the

1120
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:40.360
last one time I was in Pennsylvania and I had

1121
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:42.960
a buddy with me who it was his first time out,

1122
01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:50.400
and these it literally sounded like chimpanzees fighting in the

1123
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:57.599
woods in Pennsylvania. Not where no, no, not even close,

1124
01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:02.079
not even close. And that's literally what it sounded like.

1125
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:09.280
And other times we've had vocalizations that will I you

1126
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:12.440
can't even it's kind of like what you were saying

1127
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:15.920
with the lightning. Yeah, like you're just like did that

1128
01:04:16.079 --> 01:04:16.800
just happen?

1129
01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:18.199
Yeah?

1130
01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:20.760
And then you kind of like move on right, You're like,

1131
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:27.760
because it's so unbelievable, like this, that's that. I just

1132
01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:31.719
hear that and literally like I could feel it as

1133
01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:32.880
much as I could hear.

1134
01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:36.199
It, right, And it's like it's truly when you have

1135
01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:39.440
like and again, lightning is very different than the vocalization.

1136
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:40.079
No, but.

1137
01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:44.639
It's like you you feel it in your bones, like

1138
01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:49.199
it's like an electrical sort of charge, and obviously it

1139
01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:53.440
is with lightning, but like to your point, you have

1140
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:56.199
this like I think that everybody has a bit at

1141
01:04:56.199 --> 01:04:59.760
the shining is what I call it just everybody has

1142
01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:02.880
like the sort of knowing within them, some more than others.

1143
01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:05.840
But like to your point, when you know, when you

1144
01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:09.119
feel that sort of like this isn't right, it's probably

1145
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:13.960
because it's not like it's probably something else beyond me.

1146
01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:18.719
We're also electrical beings right beyond you know, I mean,

1147
01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:21.000
if you want to get technical with it, we are

1148
01:05:21.039 --> 01:05:26.559
all walking around with this toroidal field that our body creates, right, Yeah,

1149
01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:31.039
so especially with electricity, like like like we that affects

1150
01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:36.559
our heart, that affects everything. If you want to get

1151
01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:39.440
like into in the I mean, I'm not we're not

1152
01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:41.639
going to go down this rabbit hole obviously, but I

1153
01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:45.880
mean you totally could, especially even with like quantum.

1154
01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:48.719
Stuff all the time.

1155
01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:52.679
But it gets wild, right and especially when you start

1156
01:05:52.719 --> 01:05:58.000
doing that you're talking portals and temporal I mean, or

1157
01:05:58.079 --> 01:05:58.639
like you're.

1158
01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:01.400
Like we're living and like an atrix sort of situation.

1159
01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:09.400
Like actually, I mean and it and people say that

1160
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:12.920
too about paranormal activity or just like anything like UFO

1161
01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:16.800
encounter stuff like that. It's like there's this sort of

1162
01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:22.360
like sticky electrical like feeling in the air when you

1163
01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:24.840
are about to have an encounter more with like non

1164
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:27.840
human humanoid beings. I feel like this comes up a

1165
01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:30.960
lot when I when you're researching stories like that, you

1166
01:06:31.079 --> 01:06:37.559
have like there's a shift in like how reality feels.

1167
01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:41.679
If that makes I have no other waystand what you mean,

1168
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:45.320
and it makes you they also there a theory in

1169
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:48.199
this to me is like very out there. But people

1170
01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:53.599
think that Bigfoot could be like an extra dimension or

1171
01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:57.639
extra dimensional being where he like blips in and out,

1172
01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:00.239
and that almost makes you wonder.

1173
01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:03.440
Like, yeah, I'm not one of these people that's in

1174
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:07.079
like a flesh and blood like there's I don't you know,

1175
01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:10.599
like there's two camps usually, Yeah, there's the there's the

1176
01:07:10.639 --> 01:07:14.159
wu Wu camp, right, and then there's the one where

1177
01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:20.039
they're like, Nope, this is a gigantopithecus that you know

1178
01:07:19.239 --> 01:07:23.280
it's it's a it's a remnant hominid. Uh. Yeah, and

1179
01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:27.599
you know what it's possible too. Yeah for Cristikes, I

1180
01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:31.159
mean we literally there's there's things that we think have

1181
01:07:31.239 --> 01:07:36.760
gone extinct that we find all the time and vice versa.

1182
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:38.760
But but how.

1183
01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:42.719
Does it have the ability to like shift the electricity

1184
01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:45.840
in a space. But also like if I'm gonna believe

1185
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:48.960
in it to backtrack what I just said. I also

1186
01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:51.320
feel like it would more likely be the case that

1187
01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:56.639
it's some sort of like species that has gone undiscovered

1188
01:07:56.800 --> 01:08:00.559
or we thought was extinct. But I think it would

1189
01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:02.360
be more fun if it could flip in and out.

1190
01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:07.039
Of reality like your dimensional type you know, entity or

1191
01:08:07.239 --> 01:08:10.920
or has the ability of of Well, so I you

1192
01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:17.279
know again we're right, But but it's like these things

1193
01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:21.600
you know, you can you can get going on any

1194
01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:26.760
of it. To your point, we know nothing and we

1195
01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:31.600
all have theories, right, especially when it comes to things

1196
01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:34.359
like bigfoot and paranormal I mean, because we talked about

1197
01:08:34.359 --> 01:08:36.600
the electrical part, we talked about whatever. It's like. We

1198
01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:40.119
have different types of entities and different types of hauntings,

1199
01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:43.760
different types of ghosts. We have the ghosts that literally

1200
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:48.640
can mess with you, right, but you also have those

1201
01:08:50.119 --> 01:08:54.359
that just do the same thing over and over. So

1202
01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:58.359
that says to me, you know a lot of this again,

1203
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:03.680
that's like in print on space and time, right and again,

1204
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:08.199
at the end of the day, we see this much. Again,

1205
01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:10.880
my audience is probably so sick of me talking about this,

1206
01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:15.720
but we see this much of anything. This is how

1207
01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:19.520
much we see, right, the spectrums like this and we

1208
01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:24.800
see about this much right, right, of an actual spectrum,

1209
01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:29.600
not even to bring in dimensions, right, So at that point,

1210
01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:33.000
what are we actually seeing? Are we seeing something that

1211
01:09:33.079 --> 01:09:37.640
phases from dimension to dimension? What's going on around us

1212
01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:41.199
that we can't even see? Maybe they can't see us either,

1213
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:42.880
that's you know what I'm saying.

1214
01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:46.479
So, and then there are theories two with residual hauntings

1215
01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:50.159
where it transcends time as well as space. So it's

1216
01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:53.079
like the ghost that you're seeing in your house. Who

1217
01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:54.880
knows the amount of times that I've gone through that

1218
01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:56.920
apartment and the two years that we were living there

1219
01:09:57.159 --> 01:09:59.960
and made the exact same cup of coffee. Who's just

1220
01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:02.600
say that it wasn't just me at a different point

1221
01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:05.800
in time, and that residual energy is coming back to

1222
01:10:05.880 --> 01:10:07.760
make a cup of coffee at exactly that I'm thirty

1223
01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:09.800
in the morning, because that's usually the time that I

1224
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:12.159
make coffee, right, you know what I mean?

1225
01:10:12.479 --> 01:10:16.000
Yes? And it all makes your head.

1226
01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:20.520
Hurt mm hmm. It's so interesting though, it's so cool.

1227
01:10:20.680 --> 01:10:21.239
I love it.

1228
01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:23.720
I do too, And and it's one of those things

1229
01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:28.960
like that's what this is all about. Right, So, yeah,

1230
01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:30.680
we've been going about an hour and a half.

1231
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:32.239
Yeah, well was fun.

1232
01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:37.079
I love it, and obviously we can do it again,

1233
01:10:37.399 --> 01:10:37.600
you know.

1234
01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:40.159
And I still want to have you on our on

1235
01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:41.920
my to just.

1236
01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:44.560
Let me know or you know, send me a link whatever,

1237
01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:47.880
give me, give me some dates and I'll give you know,

1238
01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:52.239
we'll do it and I'll tell some stupid stories and

1239
01:10:52.239 --> 01:10:53.439
then they can't wait.

1240
01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:55.920
Let's do it so.

1241
01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:02.600
Again, Courtney. Tell us where people, tell us where we

1242
01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:03.199
can find you?

1243
01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:06.239
Sure, So, probably the best way to find me is

1244
01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:10.960
on just my website. It's undergoing some updates at the moment,

1245
01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:12.720
so it looks a little bare bones. I won't lie,

1246
01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:15.800
but it's just hantscast dot com. You can find me

1247
01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:19.439
on all of the socials using that link, and then

1248
01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:24.039
I'm on any major podcasting platform. I also have a community,

1249
01:11:24.079 --> 01:11:26.800
this score that we just launched, So if you're into

1250
01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:29.600
chatting about with people about this sort of stuff and

1251
01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:32.359
want to be a part of a community, you can

1252
01:11:32.479 --> 01:11:36.079
find that in my Instagram bio that's at haunts Cast

1253
01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:39.239
and you can click through and join. But really the

1254
01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:41.640
best place to find me is probably just my website

1255
01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:44.520
because it has all the links to everything, and then

1256
01:11:44.880 --> 01:11:45.319
dot com.

1257
01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:49.840
Obviously I'll put all these in the show notes. But yeah,

1258
01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:53.520
like you're on Instagram and then all the other places, all.

1259
01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:58.560
The other all the other major podcast on site. I

1260
01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:00.960
don't really understand how to use, so just pay no

1261
01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:01.800
attention to me there.

1262
01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:06.439
Well it's not confusing anyway. But any way, it doesn't

1263
01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:07.520
work like the others.

1264
01:12:08.039 --> 01:12:12.439
It doesn't, but it's fine. I'm fine. So yeah, thanks

1265
01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:13.680
so much for having me on and.

1266
01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:17.479
Absolutely and we'll do it again before you know it, seriously,

1267
01:12:17.920 --> 01:12:23.000
so yeah, so go ahead check her out, guys and gals,

1268
01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:26.279
and we'll see you on the next episode.