May 5, 2026

Gettysburg's Paranormal Secrets Revealed | Mark Nesbitt Interview

Gettysburg's Paranormal Secrets Revealed | Mark Nesbitt Interview
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Gettysburg's Paranormal Secrets Revealed | Mark Nesbitt Interview
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Bennett Tanton interviews Mark Nesbitt, author of the Ghosts of Gettysburg series and longtime Gettysburg historian, about the haunted history of America’s most famous battlefield. From Devil’s Den and Pennsylvania Hall to phantom soldiers, time slips, battlefield trauma, and the strange energy of the land itself, this episode explores why Gettysburg remains one of the most active paranormal locations in the country.

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Almost every one of them, I had an experience, a

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paranormal experience in it, something I could not explain. My

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experiences there began almost from the beginning and unsolicited, and

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I finally started collecting them, jotting them down, and eventually

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had enough stories. Actually ten twelve years before I had

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enough stories to come out to approach a publisher about

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an idea for a book.

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Broadcasting Seeds.

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Broadcasting Seeds play Truth in the Minds of the Beato.

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All right, hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of

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Broadcasting Seeds. I'm your host benat Tanton, and today we

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have a special guest. His name is Mark Nesbitt, and

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he is from Gettysburg. But I'm gonna let Mark tell

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us exactly who he is and what he does. Mark,

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thank you for coming on the show.

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My pleasure, Bennett, thank you for having me. Yeah. I well, yeah,

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I have a long and uh and uh, perhaps sordid

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history in Gettysburg.

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Tell it all, Tell it all to talk.

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To some people, and that's that's true. But I started

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actually I started as a tourist, like everybody does. My

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family went to Gettysburg and when I was when I

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was a kid and teenager, and in my summer before

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my senior year in college, I got tired of work

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in construction for my dad, and I said, I'm going

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to try and get a job in Gettysburg. Anywhere in Gettysburg,

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And they knew the place, so they felt comfortable there,

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and lo and behold, I managed to land a job

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with an now Park Service as a seasonal park ranger.

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And so I began my professional career at Gettysburg as

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a park ranger and lasted in the park service for

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about six years while I and this kind of gets

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into some of the other stuff that I think we're

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going to talk about while I was there. Of course,

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before I got there, I was just casually interested in ghosts.

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I think in a couple dozen visits. I asked one

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of the lifeguards once are there any ghost stories about Gettysburg?

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And she gave me one. But when I was working

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for the park then we would get people coming in

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and asking are there any ghosts at Gettysburg, And in

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fact so many we asked our bosses upstairs what should

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we tell them, and they said, tell them there aren't any.

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There's no such things as ghosts, and they certainly aren't

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here at Gettysburg. I'm like, okay, but they would come

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in and we'd give them that little those lines and

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then we say why what happened to you? And so

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we would get those stories. And I heard scores of

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stories just standing at the information desk there. And when

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I sort of got on semi permanent there, they put

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me in a couple of the houses actually four of

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the houses in Gettysburg on the battlefield, I'm sorry, on

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the battlefield, And they did that with the rangers for

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security purposes, and almost every one of them I had

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an experience, a paranormal experience in it, something I could

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not explain. And so the the my experience is there

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began almost from the beginning and solicited, and I finally

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started collecting them, jotting them down, and eventually had enough stories.

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Actually ten twelve years before I had enough stories to

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come out to approach a publisher about an idea for

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a book, and we wrote that. I wrote that first book,

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Ghosts of Gettysburg, and it it took off. And the

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strange part about it is maybe not so strange, is

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that within two weeks of releasing the book, I started

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getting letters, phone calls from the old fashioned faxes from

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people saying, you know, we I and my family had

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experience and experience at Gettysburg. Here's what happened to us.

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And they came in. They literally came in by the thousands.

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I have, between interviews and letters, a couple thousand letters

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and communications with people, and of course it turned into

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nine volumes. Then I just came out with the ninth

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volume this past year.

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That's amazing.

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So yeah, it's it's it's it's truly amazing. So I

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guess what the Park Service wanted us to tell the

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people that there are no such things as ghosts at Gettysburg.

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That kind of like by the wayside.

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Right, But what what is the best place for people

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to find you and like your books and everything.

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Well, the best place, I say, is to go to

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our website, ghosts off Gettysburg dot com because a lot

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of times Amazon will say that they're out of the

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book or they're really almost all over Gettysburg. We have,

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you know, a number of outlets in Gettys work, including

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our own shop. Right, we have there's an outlet there,

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but that's that's only open all weekends. But so you

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can you can get them pick them up about anywhere

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in Gettysburg. I'm going to be doing a signing over

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the Memorial Day weekend at the old Gettysburg Wax Museum,

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which is now the Civil War sent I forget what

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they call it now, but everybody knows it as the

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Wax Museum. But it's not there, it's not that anymore.

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But they have a tremendously large bookstore in there, and

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my books are in there.

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Yeah, that's amazing.

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So how.

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How is your understanding of Gettysburg evolved over the years.

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Well, as I said, it started off as just a

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touristy thing, and then it became my home and I

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lived there for close to thirty years, a little over

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thirty years actually, and so it and met a lot

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of townsfolk who are my neighbors and my friends. And

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I started off as a pure historian, yeah, because I

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gave talks out on the battlefield and that type of thing.

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But that eventually, that eventually turned into something a little

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bit different because I collected the history. And when I

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started writing the books, I couldn't help myself. Yeah, either

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ghost stories, but I had to put the history in.

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And it turns out that that's a pretty good formula

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for ghost stories because like, like I say, like I

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like to say that, you know, if you just write

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up a ghost story and tell a ghost story, that's

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like walking past some bushes and somebody jumps out and

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goes boom, you realize that's you're idiot, brother in law,

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and you're like cut it out. But if you have

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a story behind that area that has to do with

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some kind of violence or some kind of tragedy, then

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you realize that there may be is this the genesis

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of this particular ghost story and of whatever seems to

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remain here, it's whatever energy seems to remain here. So

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that's how I wrote the stories. And I think it's

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a natural progression from being a historian to go into

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the folklore and using the folklore and the ghost stories

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to tell the stories of the battle. It's very difficult,

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I know because I had to do it to remember

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the history, okay, of the Battle of Gettysburg, because there's

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so much of it. If you just memorize facts and

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figures and names. But if you have a story along

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with some of these some of this history, some of

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these events that happened, it seems like it's a lot

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easier to remember things and when you had a story

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folklore or ghost story along with it.

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So going back even before, what stories have you uncovered

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from even before the war? Like you know what I mean?

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Like I the.

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Reason I bring this up is I'm not a I'm

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not like clairvoyant or psychic or I wouldn't call myself

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any of that stuff. But I definitely can feel energies

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right and at devil like the Devil's Den, that area,

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that that area I felt I could feel stuffed and

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it didn't feel like energy that was from per se

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the war. The reason I asked that is it like,

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what's the history before the battle that you maybe have uncovered,

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you know, because the place is charged it.

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Just yes, yeah, yes, Well that's a good question because

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and it tells you something about your own perception of

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the other world because the pre battle history, pre war

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history goes back very far. In fact, we don't we're

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not even sure because there were no records what to

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put a date on it, you know, four thousand years

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ago or whatever. But it's the Native American presence in

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that area, and and I can't remember the tribes Subsquehannocks

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and the Iroquois. I don't know, but if you look

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at that they're at a map that they put out

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on on the internet, you can see that there is

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a line between the two tribes and it you can't

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see it well enough, but it shirt sure looks like

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it's going right through Gettysburg or that area.

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Yeah, Like that's like a dividing point, like a bound

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down right.

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And also there were rumors I heard, just the rumors

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of a huge Native American battle, because we used to

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say Gettysburg was the largest recorded battle on the North

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American continent, right, And we said that specifically that way,

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because there may have been some unrecorded battles. This battle

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between the Indians Indian tribes there, apparently it was almost

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as big as the Battle of Gettysburg and occurred according

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to the historians that heard things in the eighteen eighties

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about this battle, it was it took place about a

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mile west of little what is now a little round top,

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which puts it pretty close to the battlefield. And we're

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really close to you Devil's Den. And my own personal

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documentation of that is when I was when I was

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a ranger, I would go to people's home for a

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get together party or whatever. Locals that have been there

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all their lives and they pull out a mason jar

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and they say, there's my battlefield collection, and it'd be

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full of mini balls, bullets, that type of stuff, shelf fragments,

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And I'd say, what's that other one there? That's just

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my arrowheads I picked up while I was picking these up,

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some of a gun that they had. It was filled

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to the top with arrowheads. Now, you can fiddle a

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lot more arrowheads in a jar than mini balls. And

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I'm like, it finally hit me. This must have been

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one hell of a battle between the Native Americans here

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if they fired that many in just a random sampling,

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that many arrows during the course of the battle. So

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there's that. There are other other stories as well. I

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mean people have heard war whoops and Tom tom's and

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stuff like that. Yeah, that would associate with that. Plus

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there are a couple of other, you know, just little

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stories here and there that I've heard. But there was

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a you know, fairly superstitious, inquisitive crowd amongst the Pennsylvania

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Dutch that settled the area in the seventeen hundreds, and

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so you would have you would have them collecting those

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stories as well.

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Yeah, man, it's definitely a history rich area. Obviously, it's

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because it's such a crossroads, right, it just is it.

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I think it's an amazing place. But what so, like, what's

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one of the most compelling first time encounters that you've

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ever experienced or documented in Gettysburg, in and around.

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Okay? Well, the when you you said I wasn't sure

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whether you meant a personal experience. Well, the one personal

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first of all, the personal experience that actually got all

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this going was when I lived in the in the

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cemetery lodge. I don't know if you. I know, I

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don't know if you when.

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You visited house right on the edge of town.

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Yes, right right inside the part cemetery there, Black Gate.

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Yeah, I took some pictures of it atn't.

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I Yeah, it's it's it's a neat house. And uh,

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it was a it was ahead. It was a quarters

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for rangers, you know, who were who didn't who were

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single and didn't have you know, so at any rate

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didn't have a family. And so one two things happened

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to me there. One afternoon, I was sitting down in

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the in the living room kind of watching TV, and

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I was quiet and everything, and my housemate was upstairs,

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and all of a sudden, I heard footsteps come down

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the stairs behind me and stop on the landing, and

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I I waited for a second, and he didn't come

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all the way down, so I turned around and there

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was nobody on the landing. Now I'm so sure I

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heard that, because I I said, I wonder what he wanted.

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So I stood up and I walked upstairs and I

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knocked on his door and he said, and he said

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come in. I said, Bill, what do you want? Because

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what are you talking about? I said, didn't you just

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come downstairs? And he's lying on his bed reading, you know,

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And he's like, no, I've been here. I'm in fact,

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it fell asleep. I said, you didn't come downstairs? No,

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I said, okay, so yeah, you'll just okay, maybe just Metina.

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I couldn't know. It wasn't my imagination. I actually went up.

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And the other thing that happened was one afternoon, I

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was in the house all by myself and I had

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a finished lunch. I was carrying the dishes out to

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the kitchen and I heard like a somewhere in between

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a crying and a wailing, and it sounded like it

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was a child and I stopped. I'm like, what the

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heck was that? And you know, you go through your

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head and try and explain it. Oh, that was the

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you know, maybe there's the pipes, but I've never heard

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that before in the house. Yeah, and maybe it's the

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house settling. Come on, it's been here for one hundred

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and some years, not settling anymore. So I said, gee, said,

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sounded like a baby crying or a child crying. Well,

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you know, I didn't hear it again. So I went

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to went to work the next day, I guess, and

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it was. I was in the uh coffee room and

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casually mentioned this, and somebody said, stop right there. You

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need to talk to such and such who lived there before.

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And it was a woman who lived there with her family.

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I found her and I talked to her, and she says, oh, yeah,

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I heard that a number of times. Ifa at one

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time I heard it, and I was so convinced my

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kids were heard. I started going up the stairs and

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I stopped. I said, my kids are grown.

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What am I doing?

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So she had heard it too, and it was maybe

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a year or so later when all of a sudden

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I realized that just down the street, down the hill

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from the cemetery lodge was the old orphanage. Oh yeah,

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and think you may be familiar with that where they

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you know, the first matron was very nice and kind.

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After five years she had to go. In the second one.

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It was something out of a Dickens novel.

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She was something out of Stephen King novel.

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Yeah. She would virtually torture those those poor kids when

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they did something wrong, put them on barrels. It's a

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stand there in a freezing night, and you know, no

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doubt they cried and and you know, wailed and and

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all of a sudden it kind of fell together. I'm like,

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is that when I heard that afternoon? And so uh,

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that's that was my only explanation for it. So that

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was a personal experience that I had. That was that

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made me realize for sure that there's something going on

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and made me start really collecting these stories in Earnest

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for a future book.

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Absolutely, Now, what about what's the best story you've gotten

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or a story like compelling first hand account?

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In book seven, I started realizing something that some of

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the stories that I'd collected twenty years before, some of

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those events were happening again to different people. I was

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getting stories now about things that happened to them that

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i'd heard about before. I in the same venue that

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they'd happened before. So I there's a chapter in that

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book called deja vus, in other words, what I heard

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before happening again. And one of those stories was about

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two women who were working at Gettysburg College in Pennsylvania Hall,

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which is the huge columned building there that became a

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hospital right after the beginning of the battle, because it

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was out there on the first day where the first

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days fighting was and the upper floors were recovery floors,

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the lower floors and the basement were probably the operating rooms,

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because they talk about piles of arms and legs amputated

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up to the up to the window sills as they

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threw them out the windows, you know, to get rid

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of them. Well, these two women, and I knew both

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of them when they worked there. So this was in

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the eighties, and the story comes down that they had worked,

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you know, working late, and we're you know, let's let's go,

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let's get out here. It's eleven o'clock. So they packed

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up and got in the elevator and pressed a button

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for the first floor, which is the exit and the

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elevator went past the first floor and down in the basement.

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They're like, oh no, the elevators on the blink again.

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So the doors opened, which they have to do, and

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they looked out into a scene that was absolutely bizarre,

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out of time, out of any reason they had. It

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was a hospital scene down at the bio, and they

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described it as you know, blood soaked corners with men

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slumped in them waiting waiting to be operated on. Next

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a makeshift operating table, to barrels, a and a door,

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a blood stained person on that, a surgeon behind him

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with a bloodstained apron and a saw ready to amputate

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his and they're they're going nuts by now. They're just

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pushing the button and nothing out like it. Nothing is working.

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And so finally the doors closed and they went up

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to the first floor and ran immediately over to security

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and said, we're you know, I think something's happening over there,

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and and I interviewed the security guy and he said, yeah,

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they were scared to death. And we went right over

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and got on the elevator again, the two ladies and him.

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They went down and the doors opened to a totally

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pristine area that was set up for uh storage.

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Yeah, you know.

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Well, the interesting part is I was doing some signing.

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I was signing at the bookstore at Getty'sborg College, and

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a couple came in and they said, we know that

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girl that that happened to us. Oh you know such

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it's no, well you must know the other one such

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and such. No, I'm like, tell me the story. And

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it was the same. This other woman had had this experience. Yeah,

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And I got her phone number and from them and

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I called her. She had had been she had moved

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to Denver, and she was had been doing an audit

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with the with the firm that she was with of

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Getty's for college, and they asked her to go downstairs

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and to the cars to get some paperwork, got on

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the elevator and just scrub described the same scene to me, Like,

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what is going on here?

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I wonder like if the dates correlate or something like that.

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I the closest I can get is the nineteen eighties.

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Sometime in the nineteen eighties that that happened to her.

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So yeah, it's like a time slip or something.

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Or yeah, I mean, well, yeah, a portal.

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Yeah, something like that. It's a couple things so why Gettysburg,

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like why remain you know, it like remains one of

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the most active paranormal locations in the US. And like

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you said, it's almost like certain things around loops, right,

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Why why Gettysburg?

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Well, you know, that's a really good question because they're

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probably a number of different.

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It's a big question. I know.

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Yeah, Well that's that's and and you have to look

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at it from two points of view. First of all,

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the point point of view of the ghost or ghosts there,

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why would they remain in in there? And I had

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I've been going to a a talk by a friend

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of mine who is who's a medium, and she listed

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the different reasons why ghosts linger and they're not necessarily

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stuck there, but it seems like they free will they

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linger in these areas. And she said one of the

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reasons was because you know of a youthful death, a

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sudden violent death, oh yeah, yeah, and a lack of

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proper burial in some cases. And of course, as we

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know that every soldier was buried twice at Gettysburg, once

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where he fell, where he shot and died. And secondly,

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when they exhumed the body, it took the Union soldiers

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over to the National Cemetery and they were buried there,

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and then the Confederates, of course, remained in the ground

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out on the battlefield to the eighteen early eighteen seventies.

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Then they were exhumed what was left of them and

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sent south to some of the quote national cemeteries of

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the Confederacy. And so that that was a situation of

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an unconsecrated burial until until, of course, Lincoln consecrated the

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National Cemetery with the Gettysburg address, and these guys got home.

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So that could be one reason why they are still

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seen or heard and not always seen, heard, felt, smelled.

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The other thing is that sheer volume, the sheer rapidity

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of death. There. It was fifty one thousand casualties in

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basically twenty four hours. They fought for three days, but

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they had breaks in between, right, and so it was

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basically twenty four hours. And if you start dividing fifty

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one twenty four, you eventually come down to realizing that

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for those twenty four hours that they were fighting, a

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man was struck by lead or hot iron or whatever

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once every two seconds, which is just you can't snap

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your fingers, Yeah, no, every two seconds for twenty four

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hours you'd pass out. So that's that's the other thing

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that affects why Gettysburg is so heavily laden with ghosts.

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But then you also have to look at the precipient's

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point of view, the people who actually witness these things,

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hear them or feel them or see them. And Getty's Were,

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of course, is one of the most visited battlefields in

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the country. Over a million people visit every year, so

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there's more, there's more of an opportunity for someone to

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see something or experience something, you know, when it's right

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when you're there, when there's so many people there. I mean,

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the ghosts so could be active in the wintertime, but

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it's just you know, nobody, nobody's there to witness it.

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You have to have a witness to before you.

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Have a ghost story.

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And so you have that. And then of course there's

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a famous a couple of of other theories, the acasic field,

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of course of Edgar Casey. Everything that we have done

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or said is still in existence. It's out there somewhere

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in the ether, okay. And and with the proper psychic

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or mental tools, you can tap into it. That our

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brains are rather than our rather than like libraries are

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like radio radio to pick up stuff. And so you

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have that, and then there's that that the geological uh yeah,

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the stone recorder theory, the courts, Yeah, and that when

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you look at Gettysburg and you said you were just there,

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you you probably remember more of it now once I

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mentioned it. Just about everywhere, not just Devil's Den, just

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like everywhere is this is granite.

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Yeah. Geologically it's insane.

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And even if you go into town you look at

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some of the buildings there and look at their basements

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or their uh foundations, that's all that granite rock.

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It's almost like one giant recorder. Yeah, if you think

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about it.

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Yeah, because the quartz rock or the granite rock is

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filled with quartz. Yes, And we know that human beings

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when they die give off a burst of photons. It's

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like it's called a light shout. Yeah, we just burst.

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And when bones human bones are broken, that's pizzo electricity

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that comes flying. And every time you got hit with

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a musketball, your bones broke, I mean unless it went

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to something your soft ritts. So that's a lot of

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energy explode fifty one thousand times exploding.

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And that's just the humans it doesn't and that doesn't

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count for the animals, that doesn't you know.

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Good point five six thousand horses were killed and many

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more maimed and wounded. So yeah, there.

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Was not to say that even like the livestock slaughtered

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for food. And bottom line is you've got a lot

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of blood that that hit the ground. And as we know,

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you know, you hear stories that uh, you know, the

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trauma and the blood and these things have a tendency

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to to mark the ground. They just do. It's got

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to go somewhere right between trauma history and like residual energies.

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It's just my gosh, Yeah, it's all overwhelming. And your

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experience there is typical of someone who may be a

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little more aware, a little more sensitive to it. Because

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you said you you had feelings.

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Oh yeah, like I can't. I knew as a kid

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when I I had issues. So we stayed like right

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in town the first time I ever went, and I

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remember it was I can't remember which hotel, but it

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was one of the more historic hotels right and around

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that circle. And so I just remember that our back

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having issues sleeping because I was sensitive to this type

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of stuff. So this time we went we actually stayed

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farther farther out of town, the opposite direction of the battlefield,

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just so I could, you know, not have that that feeling.

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So yeah, but I.

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Know a lot of people who are less sensitive than

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you and me have have come there and said, you know,

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they basically they say, I've never had an experience like

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that before. But like we got to Gettysburg, we knew

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something was different.

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Oh yeah, there's something in the air for sure.

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Yeah. One of the producers I worked with for one

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of the the films that that I did said, and

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it's a great quote, he said, you can feel the

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great crush of souls when you're in Gettysburg. That's pretty

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much a great way of putting it pretty much what

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it feels like.

470
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:13.000
Yeah, So have you ever had a skeptic, Like if

471
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:16.640
you ever encountered a skeptic that left Gettysburg with a

472
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:17.839
different perspective?

473
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:25.279
Oh wow, I mess so many people you know that visited.

474
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:28.720
I do know, I do remember now the people that

475
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:32.799
are that are most skeptical. Okay, and I you know,

476
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:35.599
I have to admit I'm still a skeptic, you know,

477
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:39.319
but I want to know what's going on. Yeah, yeah, okay,

478
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:43.319
if it's if it's physical, if it's spiritual, whatever it is,

479
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:45.359
I'm still trying to figure out what it is. But

480
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:48.079
there's so many answers to that. But any rate, the

481
00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:54.000
biggest skeptics I have are the historians, of course, and

482
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:59.119
the and the religious types. And I was doing an

483
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:04.519
event at Lee's birthplace Stratford down in Virginia on the

484
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:08.079
northern Neck of Virginia and Robert E. Lee's birthplace, well,

485
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:14.199
actually it was it was many many Lee's that owned

486
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:19.320
that and passed it down, and a fella came up

487
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:21.559
to me. He says, I can I can prove that

488
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:23.400
there are no such things as ghost? I said, really,

489
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:26.239
He says, yep. And he and he quoted a Bible

490
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:28.480
verse that said, you know when we when we die,

491
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:30.880
we go up and we're we're going to be with

492
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:37.400
the Lord with God. I said, well, okay, but my understanding,

493
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:38.840
so we won't come We're going up, not going to

494
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:44.119
be on earth. Said well, my understanding is that God

495
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:48.239
is everywhere. That's what I was taught. He's around us,

496
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:54.639
he's within us, he's and he just like kind of

497
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:57.960
dropped his jaw because he heard that too. He said

498
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:01.360
and he knew that, and so he says, by golly,

499
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:05.719
you're right. So you know, there are their skeptics, and

500
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.599
then the then the historians, they they kind of jump

501
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:11.199
on me too about I know such things as guy,

502
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:13.960
I never saw one. I'm like, well, have you ever

503
00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:16.840
been have you ever touched? Have you ever smelled anything

504
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:19.360
weird on a battlefield? Well, yeah, but that's not a

505
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:22.559
good Well yeah it's a ghost. Oh yeah, you have

506
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:27.000
you know the smell of the smell of rotten eggs

507
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:30.119
out on the battlefield people will talk about, or even

508
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:33.840
in town, and of course that's that's the sulfur from

509
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:34.599
the black powder.

510
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:36.239
Yeah, it may propellant.

511
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:41.519
Yeah. So a lot of people just think the only

512
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:45.000
way you can experience a ghost is by seeing a ghost.

513
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:49.599
But all the human senses are involved, and especially especially

514
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:50.440
sound hearing.

515
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:54.239
Yeah, those some of those stories are wild where people

516
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:57.280
will hear the cannons or gunfire.

517
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:05.760
I heard I drum a drum tap out at the

518
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:08.840
Triangular field. I was out there with a friend and

519
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:11.519
all of a sudden I heard four taps on a

520
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:14.920
drum and I stopped and I listened because I knew

521
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:16.719
there was gonna be if it was a real drummer

522
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:19.760
because I used to be a drummer. Just doesn't stop

523
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:24.480
at four taps. And that was it. That's all I heard.

524
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:27.039
But I identified it because they knew the sound so well.

525
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:33.360
I heard that, which is near near Devil's Den as

526
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:36.000
a matter of fact, just a little bit farther on

527
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:39.480
the road. So that was that was straight. But I've

528
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:42.800
been tapped on the shoulder at the cash town in

529
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:50.039
I've heard people here on our tours, the last group

530
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.159
that's in the in the line as they're walking up

531
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:57.800
the street. We'll say to the guide, we're walking along

532
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:02.239
and we heard somebody walking behind us and we got

533
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:04.199
here to where you're giving the story and we turned

534
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:09.679
around and nobody was there. That's footsteps and typical footsteps. Yeah,

535
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:12.119
so that's that's pretty remarkable too.

536
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:16.400
Now you've studied other battlefields too, right, Yeah, so what

537
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:18.199
how does Gettysburg compare?

538
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:24.679
Well, some of the other battlefields are pretty dog on

539
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:28.880
on it, you know. There I they probably have as

540
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:34.119
many stories as as as Gettysburg, but there's not as many,

541
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:38.079
you know, there's not as many witnesses. Antietam has has

542
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:41.519
a lot of stories. But that I that I collected,

543
00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:44.119
not as nearly as many as Gettysburg, but not too

544
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:47.079
many people visit Antietam. You know, it's a it's less

545
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.480
an le's visited. Uh. I wrote a book as a

546
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:54.480
matter of fact called uh uh Civil War Ghost Trails, Okay,

547
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:58.039
and got a chance to go to all the main

548
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:00.800
major Civil War battlefields that had read about as a kid.

549
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:04.679
It was great for me. For Carol, my wife not

550
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:05.320
so great.

551
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:06.119
Not so great.

552
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:12.760
Wasn't into it, you know, But we uh visited these

553
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:17.239
these battlefields. Basically it was two months, not straight, but

554
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:22.000
we just took two months on the road and they

555
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:27.760
all had they all had stories, and we did ghost

556
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:32.480
tours in Fredericksburg. And of course that's got four major

557
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:40.639
battlefields that when when they were fought, Chancellors build the Wilderness, Spotsylvania,

558
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:44.679
and Fredericksburg twice all the wounded were brought to the

559
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:49.000
nearest town, which was Fredericksburg. And so the town itself

560
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:53.280
of Fredericksburg had enough enough stories for a whole tour

561
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:57.920
of the town's ourn on our and a half and

562
00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:00.960
more so I wrote those all down. But you know

563
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:04.440
the funny part is we uh, Carol and I were

564
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:08.360
doing research, and we're like, you know who you talk to.

565
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:11.320
You can't just walk around with a sign tell me

566
00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:15.639
your ghost story, you know. And we we realized that

567
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:20.800
the best place to go for ghost stories is the

568
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:21.400
local bar.

569
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:25.800
I would, Yeah, definitely.

570
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:29.840
Bartenders hear more stories. They did, They hear more stories,

571
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:32.800
and and I would get their story and jot it

572
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:35.239
down and ask them if they would give share the

573
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:37.000
name of the person, and then talk to the person,

574
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:42.119
and and and and discovered a couple of new drinks

575
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:47.599
I like too, so nice. So it's it's not exactly

576
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.199
uh you know knows of the Grindstone research, but it worked.

577
00:39:52.639 --> 00:40:01.679
Yeah. Absolutely, Any any stories like that have been I

578
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:06.599
guess you could say, have there been any darker or

579
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:11.239
more like unsettling experiences reported like that were more like

580
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:14.239
interactive you know what I mean? Oh, well, because some

581
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:18.400
of them it seems like it's things are on a loop, right, Yeah,

582
00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:21.440
But some of them are like more like entity based.

583
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:25.519
They're they're the one that I that comes to mind

584
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:29.039
right now may not be the one one the perfect

585
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:33.679
example of that, but the the one that I'm I

586
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:39.039
recall is is the Phantom Regiment. Now, the Phantom Regiment

587
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:43.840
has been seen at least well many times. I've collected

588
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:48.280
about maybe five stories about it. And the one that

589
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:51.320
seems to illustrate that the best was was and and

590
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:55.280
the Phantom Regiment is a unit of soldiers all lined up,

591
00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:58.880
looks like they're getting ready to go into battle or

592
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:05.000
they are doing some maneuvers or whatever, and then then

593
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:09.760
they vanish or march into the woods and you can't

594
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:15.199
find them. And this one mother and son were driving

595
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:19.840
down by the Peach Orchard. It just turned off the

596
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:21.719
Emmitsburg Road, and they came up on top of the

597
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:25.360
hill and they looked down into the into the field there,

598
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:29.880
and they saw a unit of soldiers marching and moving

599
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:35.199
around and maneuvering, and they stopped the car to watch him.

600
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:37.639
It was about six in the morning, it just battlefield

601
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:40.760
had just opened. And the family dog was with him,

602
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:45.800
and the dog was in the back seat looking and growling, Oh, now, yes,

603
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:50.679
this is this is important because at any rate they're

604
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:53.679
they're they're watching this, this group going on, and they're thinking,

605
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:56.360
I wonder if there's a reenactment or something. A couple

606
00:41:56.320 --> 00:42:00.800
of joggers came up from down in the valley and

607
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:03.719
came up towards the hill. All of a sudden, the

608
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:08.480
whole crowd of soldiers just disappeared in front of their

609
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:13.960
very eyes, and the dog stopped growling and went and

610
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:18.559
laid down. Now the dog is important because you know,

611
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:24.400
a lot of times when we see something it's we

612
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:28.440
try and we try and explain it away rad Maybe

613
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:33.760
you know, yeah, yeah, a little, maybe it's a little

614
00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:37.199
too much to drink last night. Maybe it's my you know,

615
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:41.800
something under my contact lens or something, right, But dogs,

616
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:46.519
they just alert. They just need to know do I

617
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:48.960
need to you know, do I need to fight for

618
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:53.000
my peeps here or what you know? And when they

619
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:55.280
when it vanished, you didn't think anything of it. It's

620
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:57.760
just all I don't have to worry anymore. And so

621
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:04.039
he laid back down. So now to me, now there

622
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:10.360
are interactive ghosts, and that actually, in fact, one of

623
00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:14.599
the first stories I heard about Devil's Den. I was

624
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:18.639
in the in the visitors center and a woman came in.

625
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:20.599
It was real early in the mornings, with just one

626
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.480
of our first vers visitors, and she came in and

627
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:25.639
she said, I, you know, this is crazy, but are

628
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:29.679
there any ghosts here at Gettysburgs and we were like why,

629
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:32.280
and she said, I was just out at Devil's Den

630
00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:37.719
and I was kind of got turned around and a

631
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:39.760
little bit, you know. I parked my car and I said,

632
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:41.559
I want to take a picture. This is this is pretty.

633
00:43:41.559 --> 00:43:43.119
So I got up on top of one of the rocks.

634
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:47.199
I could see all over and I put a my

635
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:49.519
camera up to my eye, and all of a sudden,

636
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:53.239
I got this weird feeling. And she said, I turned

637
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:57.360
around and there's a man standing there and there are

638
00:43:57.360 --> 00:43:59.119
no cars in the parking lot. I don't know where

639
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:02.840
it came from. And he looked. He looked at me,

640
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:06.280
and he said, what you're looking for is over there,

641
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:08.320
and he pointed back over my shoulder. And I turned

642
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:12.039
around just trying to figure out what he's talking about.

643
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:13.400
And then I'm like, how does he know what I'm

644
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:16.119
looking for? And I turned around. He was gone, Wow,

645
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:19.320
it's all open area there. And we asked her what

646
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:22.360
do he look like? She said he was pretty ragged.

647
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:25.079
He looked like a like a hippie, you know. He

648
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:30.960
had shoulder length hair, floppy hat, he was barefoot, ragged clothes,

649
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:33.840
ragged pants, and well, basically she kind of described one

650
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:36.800
of the Texas soldiers. I mean the pictures of him

651
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:39.159
that we see are all dressed up and everything. By

652
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:42.239
the time they got to Getty's, they're pretty ragtag and

653
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.559
kind of proud of it too, because the Texans, you know,

654
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:50.840
if you're from Virginia, you're fighting in Virginia, you need

655
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:54.000
a new shirt. You write a letter your mom. A

656
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:56.719
week later, it gets there, three weeks later, you get

657
00:44:56.719 --> 00:44:59.039
your shirt. You do that, try and do that from

658
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:03.719
Virginia to Tag and it takes months. So they were

659
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:09.360
pretty ragging, and then deja vu. A lady came up

660
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:11.840
to me and she said, you know, I think I

661
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:16.840
saw your ghost at Devil's Den. I said, really, she

662
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:20.119
said yeah. I said what happened? She said, Well, I'm

663
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:25.280
standing there and looking out and I kind of looked down.

664
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:28.079
I saw some pretty flowers at my feet, and I'm wondering,

665
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:31.000
that's kind of pretty, And all of a sudden I

666
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:32.880
looked up and there's a guy standing right in front

667
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:36.159
of me, like two feet away, and he was in

668
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:41.760
a Civil War outfit and he looked at my at

669
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:47.199
my sweatshirt, and he said first Texas, she said, And

670
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:50.360
I looked down. Sure enough, I had my you know,

671
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:55.920
burnt Orange Texas the University of Texas sweatshirt on, and

672
00:45:55.960 --> 00:46:00.480
I looked up and he was gone, Wow, So that's

673
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:06.800
that's your interactive ghost where they recognize you, they passed

674
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:11.119
some information onto you, and then scared the hell out

675
00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:12.199
of you by vanishing.

676
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.519
It's like some some consciousness there.

677
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:18.320
Yeah. Yeah, And of course it was that was in

678
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:19.440
Devil's Den too, so.

679
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:26.840
Yeah, yeah, that place is definitely charged. It's wild. And

680
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:32.679
then up on top two on the little round top, yeah,

681
00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:38.239
just definitely charged. We were up in that tower which

682
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:43.480
is the New York New York Memorials and we live

683
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:46.159
in New York, so it was kind of crazy. We

684
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:49.320
were going from Memorial to is just more what the

685
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:53.440
number one was Pennsylvanian, then number two was New York

686
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:57.760
right right, and the amount of folks there right just wild.

687
00:46:58.679 --> 00:46:59.719
Everything was New York.

688
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:07.199
Yeah, and all the biggest monuments you knew who were

689
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:11.039
who were the richest, Yes, soldiers there you know because

690
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.559
when they came back later to put up their monuments, right,

691
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:16.440
just pus doozies up.

692
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:22.440
Yeah. And then like so when when you say, because

693
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:27.199
we we've heard some stories too about like are there

694
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:31.480
patterns to when like activity happens, like times of day,

695
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:35.960
what you hear about like setting, sun rising, and there's

696
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:39.320
some there's some theories with that. But then like with

697
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:43.719
weather or anniversaries as well, is there stories that traverse

698
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:44.440
all of those.

699
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:48.119
Yeah, the anniversary. People always ask me they are there

700
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:51.199
more ghost stories on the anniversary of the battle, which

701
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:56.639
is July first, second, and third, And I said, yeah,

702
00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:59.440
but there's another factor there because that's when we get

703
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:02.960
our mostation right because we're there, because they're there for

704
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:05.360
the fourth of July weekend. Yes, and a lot of

705
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:10.039
people have vacation at that time period. I think dawn.

706
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:13.440
I get a lot of stories from early early on

707
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:19.519
and at dusk, and it used to be night time too,

708
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:22.960
but that I'm not You can't go out on a

709
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:27.639
battlefield at night anymore after sunset. The dark.

710
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:34.400
Stories about like the sounds like cannons, especially happening at night.

711
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:39.599
Yeah, well we used to. We some of our tours

712
00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:46.119
are out after dark, okay, okay, And they have I've

713
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.639
heard stories from the people in the on the tours.

714
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:49.639
Uh.

715
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:54.519
In fact, one of them was our tours used to

716
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:57.360
go up to East Cemetery Hill, didn't go on the

717
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.360
hill because you can't do a commercial enterprise on yeah

718
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:03.239
well yeah, and so they would be in the parking

719
00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:08.519
lot of the business right below it, and and a

720
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:11.360
bunch of them. One of my tours heard this just

721
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:18.920
cheering coming from Colp's Hill, and I checked and that

722
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:24.400
there had not been a home football game. There's no no,

723
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:27.519
no real reason to explain it. But it sounded like

724
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:34.239
a deep throated pizah type cheer. And also they saw there.

725
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:37.800
One of my guys was saying, I was standing there

726
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:41.960
with my back to the to the hill because we

727
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.320
don't I don't have to see it. They do. And

728
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:46.519
all of a sudden I lost them. I just saw

729
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:48.840
their eyes kind of glazed over and there they're looking

730
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:53.880
past me, like and I'm finished up the story, and

731
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:56.880
I said when I was done, I said, did I

732
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:00.920
lose you guys? And they were like, no, look, and

733
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:05.280
I turned around just as this blue column, which seemed

734
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:08.920
to be coming down from the sky over Oh Oh

735
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:15.320
Howard's statue, came down and vanished. They said, that column

736
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:19.159
of blue has been there the whole time you were talking. Hmm.

737
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:26.880
It's just like whoa Okay, So things like that, seeing

738
00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:32.800
things other than just just ghosts, just bodies and hearing

739
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:37.119
things other than humans that happens.

740
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:41.639
Yeah, I mean it's the Veil center in Gettysburg. Do

741
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:44.960
you feel like maybe could be could be, could be

742
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:50.960
that it could be that you know, the land, maybe

743
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:54.400
maybe there may I wrote I wrote a couple of

744
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:58.199
stories on, you know, is Gettysburg. I wrote a book

745
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:01.159
called Kurst in Pennsylvania. One of the things I wrote

746
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:04.960
about was Gettysburg because of the fact is it was

747
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:08.639
it cursed to be a battlefield, mainly because of the

748
00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:13.719
Native American battles there. In fact, one soldier.

749
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.119
They laid the groundwork right almost. I mean that not

750
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:18.199
that's no pun intended, but.

751
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:22.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like one of the soldiers that was

752
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:27.039
visiting on one of the when it when a when

753
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:30.599
a a reporter was there. The reporter wrote about this.

754
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:33.760
He said he pointed out on one of the rocks.

755
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:36.440
He said, he said, he looked kind of like a

756
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:39.360
he had gone into hard times. He pointed out in

757
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:41.880
one of the rocks. He says, look, look, there's a

758
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:47.559
tomahawk carved there. And the reporter said, they saw it,

759
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:51.440
and he said that proves it. That that proved that

760
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:55.239
they put a curse on this land that the white

761
00:51:55.320 --> 00:52:00.000
man would suffer. For now, I've looked at those rocks

762
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:04.119
for hours. I can't see any carving of a tile

763
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:10.760
hawk on it, but so who knows. But maybe there

764
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:14.559
was a curse placed on the land, uh, that that

765
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:18.599
not only Indian blood would be shed there, but but

766
00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:20.280
the white man's blood as well.

767
00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:29.760
Yeah. So any other accounts of people where they felt

768
00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:33.360
like they stepped into another time briefly, like like you

769
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:38.039
like the elevator right now? Yeah, any other stories like that,

770
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:43.599
because that portal like time slip stuff. For me, I

771
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:45.840
don't know why it's fascinating to me, but it is.

772
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:49.119
Yeah, it is interesting. Nothing's coming to mind right now.

773
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:53.320
I know that. I mean when I when I wrote

774
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:54.760
about it, when I give a speech about it, I

775
00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:57.239
call it a warp and they're there.

776
00:52:57.639 --> 00:52:59.280
It's as got a thing as anything else.

777
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:04.599
Yeah, there there. It seems as if the the veil

778
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:07.920
of time in certain places on this earth is very thin,

779
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:10.639
and it almost is like it has a curtain like

780
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:14.079
effect where you'll open up and you'll get a glimpse

781
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:18.480
into the into the past, and then it'll close again.

782
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:23.480
And that's exactly what happened on that elevator, and it's

783
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:30.679
perhaps when people do see things or hear things that

784
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:35.280
that veil is split in half again and they can

785
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:42.760
see into another world, maybe another time, times slip or

786
00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:46.639
whatever happens a lot of Gettysburg, that's for sure.

787
00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:49.840
Yeah, it does. I just feel like there's something, there's

788
00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:53.639
something like the ground to me, uh and I think

789
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:57.320
there's a lot to do. And this is you know,

790
00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:02.800
goes back archaic stuff. With the blood and the amount

791
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:07.880
of blood that was shed, it's endless. I mean, it's

792
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:11.639
so like I don't think people can fathom alone, let

793
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:15.159
alone the human blood, but the animal blood. And there's

794
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:19.320
a reason, like if you go back in history sacrifice

795
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:23.880
with blood and there's something going on and it does something.

796
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:27.159
I don't know what that is exactly. I'm just saying

797
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:35.079
that there's something that it's marked now and it's wild. Yeah,

798
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:38.599
the energy or the feeling that you get when you know,

799
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.679
for some people that you get when you go there.

800
00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:45.559
And a lot of people just say, well, look what

801
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:48.920
happened in the battlefield, but it's it's all through the town.

802
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:53.639
The town was battlefield as well, and all the right,

803
00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:56.280
all the major you know, they did fight through the town.

804
00:54:56.880 --> 00:54:59.760
In fact, in front of our building on Baltimore.

805
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:00.920
Uh.

806
00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:03.679
The Confederates obviously took over the town for the last

807
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:06.679
two days of the battle. They built a rubble barricade

808
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:12.920
right across Baltimore Street from on Breckenbridge there across that Breckinridge,

809
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:17.920
And so they fought right there in front of my building.

810
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:25.000
And they after all the major large buildings and and

811
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:29.360
and churches and everything got filled up, they started overflowing

812
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:33.880
into the individual houses of the of the citizens in Gettysburg.

813
00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:41.320
And it was the blood happened there too, because wherever

814
00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:44.239
there's a surgeon, he's he's gonna be the only thing

815
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:46.599
they knew how to do in those days when you

816
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:50.320
were hit the arm or leg is to amputate because

817
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:52.079
they can't. They can't.

818
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:57.639
They got they have time right right, you know, so

819
00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:09.079
they're gonna do whatever they can, right Yep. Man, I'm

820
00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:12.199
at a. I mean, do you think that there's a

821
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:19.280
connection between human conflict and increased paranormal activity considering you've

822
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:20.679
been to so many battlefields?

823
00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:26.360
Absolutely, absolutely the h and you know you look at it.

824
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:30.559
I look at it in terms of human emotion. Yeah, Okay,

825
00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:31.559
think about.

826
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:36.440
Probably definitely charges the ground and the air. I feel

827
00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:36.920
like yes.

828
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:41.039
But the guys there at Gettysburg and visually all of

829
00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:46.639
the battlefields, but especially at Gettysburg. First of all, there's

830
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:50.119
there's the fear that you have of your own demise.

831
00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:53.880
Right every second you're staying in there and you're watching

832
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:58.000
guys going down around, You're like, am I next that

833
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:04.360
fear is is p And then the other thing that's

834
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:08.559
on everybody's mind was the import of that particular battle.

835
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:10.760
The Confederates knew that they were farther north than it

836
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:14.519
had ever been before. If they won at Gettysburg, who

837
00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:16.280
knows what could have happened. If they could get have

838
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:21.239
gone down to Philadelphia, turned south, gone onto Washington, if

839
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:25.679
they'd reached Harrisburg, that's a major Pennsylvania was a major

840
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:30.960
state in the in the un they could have had

841
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:37.559
they came within a hair's breadth of their their dream

842
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:41.800
of independence coming true. And the Union soldiers on the

843
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:44.440
other hand, were like, this is the end of our

844
00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:49.320
country if we don't stop these guys here. So that

845
00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:53.559
emotion was running running very high too, So human emotion

846
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:59.039
was just overflowing. And then the poor guys that got wounded,

847
00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:03.280
their lying, They're thinking at their families, mothers and sisters

848
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:08.960
and wives and sweethearts. So a lot was going on.

849
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:14.960
A lot was going on in Gettysburg, right, I mean yeah,

850
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:16.599
and it continues to go on.

851
00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:16.880
You know.

852
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:19.440
I have a I have a saying kind of a

853
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:23.559
takeoff on Las Vegas. But what I like to say,

854
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:30.480
what happened, what happened in Gettysburg, stayed, stayed in Gettysburg.

855
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:40.519
It's so yes. Wow, well, Mark, I I'm I think

856
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:43.840
we're coming to close here. I really appreciate you coming on.

857
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:47.039
I want you to tell everybody where they can find

858
00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:50.960
you again, like you know, like your tours, everything well,

859
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:53.599
the best play shameless product placement, Oh.

860
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:54.639
Kyl, I love it.

861
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:55.880
Uh.

862
00:58:56.079 --> 00:58:58.400
The easiest thing is to just go on our website,

863
00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:02.719
Ghosts of Getty's dot com. And that's that's plural because

864
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:06.159
somebody else for some reason's using the singular, but it's

865
00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:09.880
the Ghosts of Gettysburg dot com. And you'll be able

866
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:13.199
to find books there and uh and find information on

867
00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:15.519
how to make a reservation for a tour if you're

868
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:19.119
coming in and that type of thing. And that's that's

869
00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:21.960
the main main way to go and you can get

870
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.559
all the information from there and we'll be happy to

871
00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:26.559
see you there.

872
00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:29.440
Yeah, I will make sure everything is in the show notes.

873
00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:33.480
And uh, I'll share the episode once it airs.

874
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:36.760
Great and uh and next time you're going to Gettysburg,

875
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:37.199
let me know.

876
00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:40.519
I will I'll come shake your hands.

877
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:42.039
Yeah sounds good.

878
00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:43.280
Sure, I appreciate it.

879
00:59:43.360 --> 00:59:45.559
Mark, thank you, Thank you.

880
00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:06.239
Rud hangs Wold and the Stone still remember with the

881
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:12.079
living don't know. You can hear them in the wheat field,

882
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:18.519
boots in the dirt, boys calling out from mamas through

883
01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:25.079
the blood and the herd. Devil's then keeps secrets on

884
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:28.360
the branded and rain. Every cracking that or rock got

885
01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:29.639
a soldier's names.

886
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:31.880
When some say it's just stories.

887
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:34.440
Some sing nerves and whine. Bud, I felt that cold

888
01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:35.239
hand across.

889
01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:38.280
The back of my spine, and the windows for it

890
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:43.679
confesses if he still wears the scars, you can leave

891
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:47.840
before the sun goes under, but you all leave who

892
01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:52.679
they are. What happened in gettysbird saying gett his his bird.

893
01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:54.239
They're in the.

894
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:59.360
Ground, but it still gets her channings in the distance, drums.

895
01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:02.679
In the dark, had a field being like a broken heart.

896
01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:06.400
Some saws moved on some steel, walk through ridgs, some

897
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:10.559
still standing guarne by burning breeds. You can call it

898
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:14.039
a ghost. You can call it a curse for what happened?

899
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:17.159
And Getties Bird.

900
01:01:18.519 --> 01:01:19.960
Stayed in Gettis Bird.

901
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:26.159
There's a house by the cemetery where the floor boys

902
01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:32.599
cry and the child's voice rises when the room goes

903
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:43.280
Chriet elevator doors open to another time. Blood on the wall,

904
01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:51.199
some fear in their eyes. A barefoot man in Raxes

905
01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:55.480
look over there. Then he's gone, like smoking the Pennsylvania

906
01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:57.199
first Texas.

907
01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:58.119
On a switcher blue coat.

908
01:01:58.280 --> 01:01:58.480
So on.

909
01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:02.039
He'll tell me how something dead can be moved and

910
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:07.519
still maybe blood and marcel Land forever. Maybe sorrow has

911
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:12.239
a sound, maybe some wolstone in with the ridder they

912
01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:16.679
just sing, but neat the brown. What happened in Katties

913
01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:20.760
Bird saying Gettysburg buried in the ground.

914
01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:22.440
Bout it still get his herd.

915
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:27.000
Cannons in the distance, drums in the dark, batle.

916
01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:30.440
Field beating like a broken hot sum Sauls moved on

917
01:02:30.679 --> 01:02:34.199
some steel off the ridge, so still stand god by

918
01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:35.480
a burn and bridge.

919
01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:38.079
You can call it a ghost, You can call it

920
01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:41.920
a curse for what happened gain.

921
01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:46.119
Gaddy's bad, sing Caddy's.

922
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:53.000
Bad, fifty one thousand shadows in a twenty four hour storm.

923
01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:59.800
Boys became legends before they gotto.

924
01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:03.280
Five thousand horses.

925
01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:06.320
Blood in the clay in the veil, got thin.

926
01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:09.880
Where the dying preys, and don't have too loud the

927
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:14.280
two god speaks, don't one moves when the floorboards creek.

928
01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:18.679
History ain't dead. It just changed its clothes and walks

929
01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:22.880
through town when the taverns close.

930
01:03:24.519 --> 01:03:27.760
What happened didn't get his Burg stayed and get his

931
01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:31.800
burke buried in the ground. But it still gets her

932
01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:34.800
Cannons in the distance, drums in the.

933
01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:38.280
Dark battlefield beating like a broken heart.

934
01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:42.119
Some sauce moved on, Some still walk through red sun,

935
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:45.000
still stand guard by a burning bridge.

936
01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:47.599
You can call it a ghost, you can call it

937
01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:54.920
a curse for wood happened, then Gaseberg stay and get

938
01:03:55.039 --> 01:03:55.880
his back.

939
01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:07.400
It what happened in Gettysburg stayed in Getty's birth. And

940
01:04:07.559 --> 01:04:09.000
so the war's dawn and.

941
01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:12.400
They just wait their turn.

942
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:15.000
H