June 20, 2025

From Haunted Houses to Sasquatch Encounters: Kyle's Journey

From Haunted Houses to Sasquatch Encounters: Kyle's Journey
From Haunted Houses to Sasquatch Encounters: Kyle's Journey
The Broadcasting Seeds Podcast
From Haunted Houses to Sasquatch Encounters: Kyle's Journey
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In this conversation, Kyle shares his diverse experiences ranging from growing up in a haunted house to his military encounters and intriguing camping adventures. He discusses his fascination with the paranormal, particularly Sasquatch, and reflects on various mysterious events that have shaped his beliefs. The dialogue explores the intersection of the unexplained and personal experiences, culminating in Kyle's insights on the nature of truth and the unknown.

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H you're live, Kyle, tell us who you are and

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what you do.

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Man, my name's Kyle. I'm done a little bit of everything.

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Help op, Kyle.

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I've managed, I've uh, you know, done my cow I

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don't my para share of cowboys stuff. But that's all

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a little bit behind me for now. I'll just turn

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wrenches and annoying my co co orders with really random

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facts about the weirdest in nature.

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For sure. So you're from New York born raised? Yep,

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I'm where.

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I was born, Western New York, Buffalo area.

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All right, join the Marine Corps eighteen seventeen seventeen, look

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at you?

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Yeah, I know, what's that one of those ones I

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have a plan for life. I was like, career Marine Corps.

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This is it? Right. My uncle really didn't give me

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much of a choice. He told me you got two options.

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You're joing the Marine Corps or during the Marine Corps.

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Or I said, well, what if I want to go

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Air Force? He's like, we don't talk about that.

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It's like talking about the air Force. Gotcha, that's great.

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A little known fact. Wasn't smart enough to get in

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the Air Force. They so what you get? You're on

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your air as bab I said, I got it twenty

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two and they're like, nah, you're all right, go that way.

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Bye bye. Yeah, I understand that. So all right, So

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how did you get into this like world of high strangeness, Like,

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because I've seen you on a few other shows, so

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talk about some of these experiences that you've had, and

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just like started to beginning whatever. It's good.

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You know, I'm not gonna plenty labels or anything, but

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I'm pretty sure I grew up in a haunted house.

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Yeah.

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Bought this house in the middle of nowhere, and I

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was in fourth grade. Yeah, I was in third or

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fourth grade. End of third grade, began a fourth grade,

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I can't remember frame, but moved in and just weird

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things started happening. My little sister. I have two younger sisters,

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So my oldest younger sister one issue, was in her

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room and I walked by. She's sitting there talking to someone.

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And I looked over and there's no one there, like

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who you're talking to? And she's like, Connie, she's my friend.

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Oh okay, that's cool. I told my mom. I was like, hey,

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she's being weird, you know. We I's like, she has

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an imaginary friend. You had one too growing up. It's like, hey,

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I wasn't that weird. I wasn't talking in the corner

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to them, but whatever. So and then just weird things

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after that would happen, like you'd hear footsteps or you'd

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hear just something didn't sound right. It's probably about three

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four weeks after that. We were turning the bait our

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basement into a family room with a storage room, laundry room,

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and then an additional bedroom. And I was in the

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storage room. The studs are up, sheet rocks on. Storage

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room's got all the stuff that we just haven't had

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a chance on packed. I was going through some boxes

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looking for something of mine and I look over in

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the corner and I see best what I can describe

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is the girl from the Grudge or the Ring. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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And she just sitting there, hands in her head, and

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I'm like, so, I look down, look back up, and

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as I was doing that, was thing myself, well, she's gone.

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I'm running and she's not there. I mean she's still there.

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I'm still running, like either way we're out. I'm not

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dealing with this. Then I look down, I look back up,

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and she's gone. So I skid oatled out there and

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told my mom about it. Mom didn't say anything, just

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thought I was seeing things, probably thought it was crazy.

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And then just more weird stuff would happen. Now, my

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dad one night saw someone with long blonde hair, out

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of the corner of his eye, run through the living

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like around the the corner of the living room into

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the dining room, got up search the entire house. Now,

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mind you, my sister has long blonde hair, so he

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thought it was her, that she was out of bed

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or whatever. And uh, he went and checked on her

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and she was still she was in bed. It's like

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midnight or so. We'd see like weird things would just

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go missing, get moved. One night, we all went out somewhere,

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came home, and we had a ceramic chicken. That's how

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my mom decoraded the kitchen. I don't know what the

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hell of the point was of doing farm like we

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lived on a farm. Why do we have to make

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the kitchen look like it? Besides the point, the ceramic

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chicken had the middle toe broke off. She placed on

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the counter like that's weird, Like someone's gonna they broke

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in the house. They're not gonna be like, oh, damn,

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broke your stuff. Here here it is, and doors were

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locked by themselves, you know, you'd my room was ended

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up being in the basement. I'd hear like, I know

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everyone was asleep because I'd just be upstairs, use the

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bathroom whatever, come back down there. I'd hear footsteps just thunk, thunk, thunk.

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Uh that basement actually just as a kid scared the

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hell out of me, Like you know a lot of people,

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that was the opposite. And they had turned the light off,

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run up the stairs, but the light switched to the

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basement was upstairs. So I'd turn the lights switch off

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and run down the stairs to get the Yeah. No,

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I figured out how to strategically like turn the londer

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room light on and turn my room light on so

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that I could have a path of light. So I'd

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run down the stairs, hit the hit the path of light,

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hit the lawnder room light, and it was like two

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steps bam into my room. So there's weird things like

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that happened. And then uh there was It's probably about

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my sophomore year of high school. My little sister, my

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youngest was old enough to like talk and draw, and

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she had my old my other sister's room. She my

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other sister moved into my old room and my room

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was in the basement.

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Uh.

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One day, my little sister comes walking out of the

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bedroom piece of paper, and on that paper was me,

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my mom, my dad, mother, sister, the family dog, my

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other sister, and then some other girl with long blonde hair.

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And we sat there and we asked her, like, who's

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that and she's like, that's Connie. She's my friend. She

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used to live here. And I was like, oh, she's

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weird too. I don't know how we have two weird

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ones in the family. But my dad's the biggest skeptic.

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Like still to this day, he like. I've asked him

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about it and he's like, ah, I'm just it was

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a it was a name someone heard in the house

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and that's where it came from. I have a prod

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memory of sitting on a couch, homesick from school, watching

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Haunting and I'm just watching TV doing my own thing.

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Next thing I hear from another room. I hear Kyle,

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and I was like, huh, maybe maybe it was on

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a TV. So pause, rewind, play it through, didn't hear it?

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Pause rewind? I tied did that about ten times or

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so and couldn't recreate it. So I was like, that's weird.

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Don't know, explain that. One senior year of high school,

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I was downstairs watching TV and the girl I was

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doing in high school was there. We're sitting there on

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the couch, on the couch we had down there, and

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behind us, I saw a shadow like, p what's what

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we're moving for? Its shadow was properly because I was

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against the wall, so you could see the shadow just

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walk like this right behind us. We both looked at

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each other and said, Nah, that didn't happen. There's no

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one downstairs. There's no way they commend someone outside because

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the little basement window lights are the windows, and it

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was a full body. You could see head all the

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way down with some detail like I mean, you can

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see the arms swinging, legs moving. It was enough that

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it freaked us both out and we skidaddled after that,

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like just it's what really got me into it. And

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Buddy would would go out camping and hunting in the

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wood in the woods, being kids doing our thing, and

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we'd hear weird things at night and then just I

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don't know, it's interesting, like the unexplained just has always

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fascinated us.

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Agreed same. What is your so haunted house? Did you

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have any experiences in the military or not.

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Had do you nothing really noteworthy? Uh? And I really

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hate to tell boot camp story, but I was on

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fire Watch what night. It's always one parasylence haunted.

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Yeah that oh yeah, man, hell yeah, it's on it.

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I had a buddy that came I was in the dept.

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He came back from the debt program. Uh, he came

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back from boot camp and he was telling a story

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of how he Uh, a guy in Vietnam, Cammis showed up.

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It was like, I need a mop and he's like, dude,

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who the hell are you? I need I need a mop, man,

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I need a mob and my buddy and he's like,

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I don't know where you who you are, where you belong?

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You don't belong here. Ran Off never saw him again

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and he went around the well the next morning, was like, hey,

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you know, this is what I've seen. Was this anyone

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with me or whatever? But me personally? Uh, I was

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on fire Watch one night and I'm sitting there one

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of our guys right next to right next to me.

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I think I was writing a letter home at this point,

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trying not to fall asleep. It's two o'clock in the morning,

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and out of the corner of my eye, I see

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a shadow dark across squad Day and I'm like and

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I looked over, I'm like, talking it you see that?

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And he's like, yeah, so what do you think it is?

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Someone's out of the rack or whatever. So we go

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make our way down the squad day check everything out.

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I'm walking back and you know, from the head you

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hear whispering. I remember what toilet was too, it was

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toilet seven. And we're sitting there. I'm like, dude, this

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someone in there. I was like, how did they get

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past us? I was like, maybe it's one of our

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drill instructors messing with us or something like maybe this

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is a test, Like there's gotten something, some reason behind this.

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So we go to ahead and we're walking through and

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it's just my heart's beating through my chest right now.

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I'm like, something's gonna happen. And get up there and

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they're no one there. That's like, Okay, that was weird.

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Don't not explain it.

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Yeah, that's something. It just I just bookmarked something on

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my phone to look because I had never really thought

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about haunted Paris Island, and if any place that's haunted,

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it's a freaking place.

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Well you have the red of the Red River.

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Incident, Yeah, something like that.

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Yeah, or the drill instructor was hammered, marches, uh ople

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tune out into the swamps, tide came.

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In, and I can imagine there's a lot of trauma there.

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So yes, you know, so you can imagine there's some uh,

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there's got to be I mean not just and not

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just like Marine Corps base. There's probably some more stuff too,

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you know, considering that that whole area. But I know

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that there's some consideration to like shut it down of

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Paris Island of all places, you know, but they want

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everyone to I don't know. It had something to do

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with weather, you know, extreme who the hell knows, got

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something to do with climate change, I'm sure, but that

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was a while ago, so I don't know if that

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actually went anywhere, but exactly so, but uh so let's

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uh go into Sasquatch. So you had you and I

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had texted because Drew Ski had texted me. He's like, dude,

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you got to have this guy on the show.

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So say, if I'm not, if I'm not mistake. It's

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kind of your neck of the woods too.

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Yeah, ish, right now, it's because what what you were

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saying is you've had the experience. It's right over the

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New York Pennsylvania border. It's like right in Allegheny, right, it.

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Was on the New York Pennsylvania Seriesville. Okay, some buddy's

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got a hunting cabin down there up on one of

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the mountains.

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Yeah. I live up in Syracuse, but I do a

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lot of research down in Pennsylvania. That's what it is,

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what it is.

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Okay, we was down there, that little podunk town. I

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mean you could throw a rock from where we walked

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across the Pennsylvania border.

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That's basically everything from the Finger like south anyway. Man,

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as you know, it's all it's country.

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So the one night we uh yeah, buddy, we're sitting

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around a fire and we're like, we should go down

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to camp. This is October thirtieth, it's the twenty ninth

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of the thirtieth. We left thirty first to come back,

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and because we were raising the clock to get to

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a Halloween party. I remember that. Of course, hey, party.

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Time, nobody wants to be out in the dark deep

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voids Halloween man.

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So we uh, we got the br Yeah, one night,

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let's go camping. So the next morning we come, we

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are pack and get everything going, getting all our gear situated,

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you know, food. We're planning for two days, maybe a

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day and a half. No, we didn't get on the

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road till about six o'clock at night, five thirty, and

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we hit countered multiple hiccups. Every small town cop in

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western New York was like, hey, they're the ones that

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get I mean, we got pulled over and it was like, Hi, yeah,

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how pops his head in, He's like, you guys are fine,

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you're not drinking or driving. We're like, you don't want

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a license? He's like, now you're fine. I don't care.

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I'm just trying to get Dwis. It's like, okay, cool,

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we made it down past, Like what was it like? Dry?

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Anne State trooper pulls us over, looks at us, stiff

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the car. He's like drinking. You guys had anything to drink?

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Like no, we're just trying to go camping. All right,

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get out of here. I'm like, damn state cops ling

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leus go what this is? And finally, so we finally

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ended up down where we're we're trying to be. It

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was probably two three o'clock in the morning, it couldn't

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have been any later than that. And we pulled in

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and it was just like, this is awesome. It's dark,

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you know, we can't really see what we're looking at,

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but this is awesome. So my buddy's like, do you

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want to make camp inside the cabin or just call

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it a night in the truck. And I was like,

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let's just call a night in the truck. Cabin's got

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no power, you know, we barely have flashlights. It's just

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let's I'm not trying to count a raccoon that's gonna

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bite my ass or whatever. So we started sleeping in

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the truck. My boys passed out. I'm in the passer's seat.

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Probably I'm Vine or Facebook or something with my limited service,

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and excuse me. I hear on the window a tap

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like a pet, like a stone or something. It's someone

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thrown at it. And I'm like, huh, that's weird. Whatever.

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The truck's settling, and trucks make vehicles make weird noises

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when they're cooling down whatever. Well again, and I was like,

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could still be the truck cooling down happens again. So

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I wake my boy up and I'm like, hey, something

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going on. I don't know how to explain it. This

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is what I'm hearing. And he's like, yeah, you're probably

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hearing things. Whatever. Well, it happened while he is awake,

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and he looks at me at mean, he's like, there's

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something out there. And it's like, then, try to tell

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you this for the last thirty minutes. But hey, let's

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go with your theory now. So, uh, we rolled the

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window down and we could hear something outside just trumping

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through the rush. Our first thoughts like, ah, there's someone

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out here messing with us. Either some tweak or sauce

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come up the mountain they're gonna try to do whatever,

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or it's up here or whatever. So we get out

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and I have my rifle, he has his shotgun. We

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say our spiel, Hey, you know there's anyone here messing

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with us, We feel threatened, YadA, YadA, YadA, Like sleep alone.

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We don't even bothered. We're armed, we're not afraid to

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defend ourselves. And I told my buddy, I was like,

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let one fly, you know, right in front of us

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in the dirt. That's gonna stop. That's gonna church just

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about ninety percent of anybody. You gotta be psychotic to

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come after someone after you hear a gunshot. So he

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lets one fly and the noise stops. I'm like, okay, cool,

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so I'll get back to my truck. And my buddy's like,

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I don't know if that was you know, maybe it's

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just it is someone there shouldn't be. This is private property.

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We're a mile and a half up this mountain, like

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it doesn't make any sense, and I was like, nah,

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it doesn't make any sense to me either, but whatever.

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So we're sitting there, windows are down and next thing

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you know, you heard just allowed to crack. We're like, okay, cool,

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someone's out there. And somewhere in this time I can't

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remember because we went up and down this something. It

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scared us off the mountain. The first time. We got

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to the main road and we both worked each other

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like we have guns. Why are we running. I was like,

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that's a good point. Run back up the mountain. Somewhere

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in the night though, we put teaky torches out, and

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I remember putting around the truck and uh, how did

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it go? We let the teaky torches got back in

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the truck. I looked at him. I was like, dude,

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it feel it feels like we just put the candle

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on the dinner table because we can only see the

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tea torches. We couldn't see past it. And I was

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like this, this sucks. And one by one they all

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started just you know, spluttering out, just thunk thunk thunk out.

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It's like, okay, that's unsettling. So my buddy's like, do

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you want to sleep? I'll take first watch. I was like,

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I'm not sleeping after this, Like I'm my address there

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is right Like, well, I'm going to sleep. I was like,

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then you take sleep, I'll take first watch. Whatever. Cool.

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He's out cold, and I'm like awesome, I'm here. My

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I'm just here. My thoughts with what are the hells

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out there? I'm sitting there. He wakes up after like

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twenty minutes, they're screaming they're here, they're gonna get us.

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We need to leave. I was like, I don't know

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who they are or what they want with us, or

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why they're going to get us, but that's enough information

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for me to say we should leave. So we high

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talent down tiki torches are still standing. We get to

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the base of the mountain. Once again, we're like, we

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have guns, why are we running? So we spin it

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around and we're coming up this trail. But he looks

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at me. He's like, in case we run away again.

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I was like, oh, in case we know we are like,

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we're not equipped, we don't know what we're dealing with,

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we're not equipped for it. Whatever. But he's like, in prace,

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we run away again. My dad needs something out of

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this lean to, and there's a lean to probably about

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twenty yards from when we're aparked. He's I'll give I'll

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get up close as close as we can to it

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and just grab whatever it was, get in the truck,

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and then if we have to leave, we'll leave. So

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we did that. I take his shotgun because my thought

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process was, well, if I'm getting up close to the

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bush and something comes at me, whether it's a bear

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or whatever, I'm pretty well. I just got a point

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in the general direction, right Kevin, it's catching some double

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lot yep. And he took my rifle and so I

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get out start walking up and I'm pushing to this

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lean to, probably about five yards away from it. So good, happy,

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medium between the truck and the and then lean too.

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I can see him, I remember, I can see my buddy.

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He's over the door, just holding got my back, and

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I hear this loud howl, grawl, scream, roar like I

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can't recreate the noise. Yeah, I can hear it. I

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can't recreate it, and I froze. I froze up. I'm

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I looked back. My buddy's jaws on the floor, and

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I just hear him yell. Run all right, I think,

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And if I remember correctly, I ran to the lean too,

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grab that stuff that I needed to grab, and I'm

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hauling ass back. He had the truck turned around. I

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went up and over the bed rails. In my head,

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I'm thinking myself, this is how three horror movie starts.

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Yes, right, We're we're.

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Flying on this trail and I could see headlights, light bar,

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nothing else, So guns up like I'm ready to engage

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whatever like, and I had something's coming out of these woods.

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I'm ready to start slinging rounds at whatever's gonna come

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out of these woods. We hit the main road, I

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jump out of the back, hit get the truck. We're

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both you heard that, right? What the was that We're

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going back and forth. We can't figure it out. He's

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like the bear, that wasn't a bear. Never heard a

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bear sound that before. I've never seen a bear first off,

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right at this time of my life. But I know

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that's not bears. Sound like, wasn't a mountain lion, wasn't

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a coyote? I mean that that's the biggest predators we

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have in New York. We end up, we make it

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into I think it was the town of Portsville. Find

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the gas station, pull into a parking spot, pass out.

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Next thing you know, it's like six thirty seven o'clock

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in the morning. We're probably running off of three hours

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of sleepless point going to these we use the bathroom,

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I think. Yeah. We talked about getting a couple of coffee.

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Was like, dude, I'm starving. Let's just hit that diner

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right by the base of the mountain and then we

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go back up and investigate. So, uh, we hit the diner.

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We're walking at this mind you, we're we got we

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got cames on. I've got my marpat combat boots, black

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black shirt, like one of them under our stretchy material.

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My buddy's rocking. I'm madey one Woodland combat boots, same shirt.

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I guess from an outside perspective, maybe we looked like

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we're hunting. Maybe we looked like we're part of some

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undisclosed government agency. I I don't know. But we walk

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in and waiters has to sit down whatever, and it's

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a nice little diner.

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It's beautiful.

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Unknown to us, it was like one of the only

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cash only diners in the country. That's for the later

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part of the story.

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Well, we have there's one wherever we go, where we

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go Bigfoot researching, there's a cash only place.

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There too, no signs in the door. We didn't know this.

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Oh wow, that's crazy.

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So we walk in, we order our food, and I'm

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just trying to make conversation at this point. We both

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order our coffee our food, and I'm making a small

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talk at this point and I was like, Hey, what

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goes bump the night out here? And the waiters like,

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what do you mean? I was like, well, what's the

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local legends of the town, urban legends?

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You know?

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To people here, like just trying to you know, get

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a little bit inform me, Like, yeah, the story of

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a howling beast or something, anything, right, But it eases

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our minds that we don't think we're crazy. We know

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what we're kind of dealing with at this point, and

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the waiters like, no, I explained the whole story of

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what happened, and it was definitely in greater detail because

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it wasn't seven years ago, but I mean it was

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fresh in memory too. So I'm like, I'm explaining this

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and he's like, no, no, never heard anything like that.

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What do you think it was stasquatch. I was like,

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you're just throwing accusations out there now, but no, I

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don't think so, Like it's not it does at this point.

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I you know, I'm interested in sasquatch hunting and stuff

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like that, but it's not any vocalizations I've ever heard, Like,

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I mean, i'd watch you know, Bigfoot Hunter and all

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that stuff. He found that damn toy sound good, and again,

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it just didn't sound like any of the vocalizations. So

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I was like, no, I don't think so, you know whatever.

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But the waiters demeanor changed, like he went from being

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warm and welcoming to just being like really defensively on

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the defensive, like well a little more aggressive too, And

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so he looks at me. He comes back, drops the

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food off, looks at me. He's like, you want our coffee?

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I was like no, I'll actually have a mountain dew though,

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So we're starting to eat Mountain Deuke gets dropped off

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and there was inside the glass there was a like

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a red rolling hates like I don't know how to

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explain it, like the best Wagon relate it too, is

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like right there at the chow haul and you go

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grab something and the glass just then washed poorly and

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you walk your watch like the red power cool, uh,

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gatorade just swirl in your cup whatever? Right, Yeah, like

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that's nasty, but it just didn't sit right with us

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after everything that's happened. And my buddy looks at me

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and I look at him. He's this isn't happening, is it?

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I was like, well, it looks like it's happening. There's

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this is happening whatever. Cool, So just full plates. Still,

460
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:37.160
we're like we're gone, get up, go to pay. We

461
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:42.599
pull our cards out pay and like it's cash only cool,

462
00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:45.880
all right, So we scrounged it up like I don't know,

463
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:48.319
sixteen dollars in change out of the truck of our

464
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:52.200
walls whatever, our bill of like twenty two dollars total

465
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:56.160
for both of them. And so we're like, hey, can

466
00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:58.440
we run in a town about three miles back, hit

467
00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:01.680
the ATM up you know, no big deal. Well yeah,

468
00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:05.960
one of you guys gotta stay here. No, no, that's not.

469
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:09.559
Like yeah, no, so we'll end up on the menu.

470
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:12.680
He's like, they're like, well, you can leave a phone

471
00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:16.039
a wallet, and I was like, no, that's not happening.

472
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:18.920
So he argued back and forth. Finally this old timer

473
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:20.920
stands up, slaps down a twenty dollars bill and says,

474
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:24.960
go on and get out of here, Roger. That appreciate it, boss,

475
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:27.720
Thank you. Have a good time, right, thank you. We're

476
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.000
walking out to this truck. Right. This isn't fucking happening.

477
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.400
This is how every horror movie. Yeah, I was like,

478
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:35.440
are we in wrong turn? It's just what's gonna happen?

479
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:40.160
You get whatever, end up in like hostile for or something.

480
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:44.519
We uh, we hit the trail, get back up to

481
00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:46.759
the mountain where were the night before. Tiki torches are

482
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:50.079
still standing, and I was like, hey, we're here, let's

483
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:53.119
start searching. Whatever it was was big. We heard something

484
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:57.000
walking around, probably no more than fifty yards from us, like,

485
00:27:57.519 --> 00:27:59.640
it's got if it's this big, making this kind of noise,

486
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:03.480
it's got leave some track, some sign, something, And both

487
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:05.839
of us are I don't want to say we're experienced

488
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.480
hunters at the time, but we're pretty well versed in

489
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:11.920
like tracking and hunting. You know, we grew up, we

490
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:16.079
grew up doing it. So we probably one hundred two

491
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:19.200
hundred yard just around the campground where we were that

492
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:24.359
night the night before, couldn't find anything, no tracks, no

493
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:28.240
no broken sticks, nothing was out of place. And we

494
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:31.519
hiked all over all over that mountain. Sun started, sun

495
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:36.240
started getting low, and we ended up making the decision

496
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:39.839
that we're gonna call for outside help, Like we don't

497
00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:41.599
know what to do, we don't know what we're going against.

498
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:44.119
And we call one of our buddies who's an old

499
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:48.119
recon marine, and I was like, this is what's going on.

500
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:52.039
He's like, it's the most Marine Corps response to you're

501
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:54.359
gonna dig in all right, set up a fight, And

502
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:56.799
I was like, there's two of us, it's a very

503
00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:00.359
poor fighting position. He's like, well, if I was closer,

504
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:02.559
i'd be there. But I think you guys have overstated

505
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:04.079
are welcome there. You need to get the hell out

506
00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:08.839
of there. I was like, copy that, we're out. So

507
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:11.079
we end up taking off and that was the end

508
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:15.440
of that. They're so, I thought. So I reached out

509
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:17.960
to my buddy. After I got throw. I was on

510
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:20.519
the podcast with Prusky and I was like, have you

511
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:23.519
ever been back? I knew he's been back once before,

512
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:27.400
and he talked about there being stripped cigarettes around around

513
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:29.359
the perimeter and stuff like that, and I was like,

514
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:31.640
that's kind of weird, but maybe it's an old time

515
00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:33.759
haunter or something like that, stripped as Ciga read so

516
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:36.880
that the filter is not polluting the environment or whatever.

517
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.720
And then the third time he went back, it was

518
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:46.480
him and some buddies. They spent the night and he

519
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:49.440
said that they hiked around outside of the cabin about

520
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:52.599
half a mile. He thinks that there's a group of

521
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:59.039
whatever we encountered living on that mountain, and I was like, well,

522
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:00.440
what makes you think think it goes? Well? I saw

523
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:05.319
a fire at night and I could hear like inhuman

524
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:09.640
talking or chanting or something something that didn't sound human,

525
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:11.079
definitely not English to him.

526
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:12.039
Samurai chatter?

527
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:13.240
What is it?

528
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:14.480
Samurai chatter?

529
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:15.839
Is that a vocalization.

530
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:18.799
Yeah, it sounds kind of like, you know, like an

531
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.319
old Kung Fu theater movie, you know, or like how

532
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:24.480
samurai sound when they talk to these other like the

533
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:32.440
you know what I mean, and orangutans actually will do

534
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:38.160
like a faux speech that sounds very similar. A lot

535
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:43.440
of people think that that's what their language sounds like.

536
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:47.720
And there's recordings like the Sierra sounds kind of have

537
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:53.640
a a samurai chatter kind of talk to.

538
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:56.640
Them about the Serra camp noises.

539
00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:02.279
Or yeah, so that that's there. Now we've heard those. Pennsylvania, Okay,

540
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:06.440
a few years ago we had right outside, like you know,

541
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:08.799
we had people out, but there was right by the

542
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:12.079
base camp. The guys that were at base camp could

543
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:17.559
hear samurai chatter in the corner of the campsite and

544
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:22.000
then we heard it. I heard it was with another

545
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:26.599
guy or two from the same area on another visit

546
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:32.799
another night. So yeah, it's a real thing. I mean,

547
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:33.960
it happens.

548
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:37.279
So I told this, I told that story to uh.

549
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:39.200
I can't remember who they were. This was your This

550
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:46.400
was some years ago one of Ohio foot Research people

551
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:50.279
or Big Baby. It was someone along them lines May

552
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:52.720
it was the b f r O. They were in

553
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.279
Ohio though. I remember that because I explained that whole

554
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:58.759
story to him and he's like, well, it sounds like

555
00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:00.920
what you're doing, what you dealt with that night, and

556
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:05.200
that vocalization is in for sound maybe And I was like, well,

557
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:07.279
can you explain that? And he's like, well, it's something

558
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:10.880
like big cats do that paralyzed that it paralyzes their prey.

559
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:14.440
And I was like, okay, I mean I guess it

560
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:17.039
makes sense. Uh. A couple of weeks ago, I was

561
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:20.440
on the Midwest mid Thos podcast of Riley.

562
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.880
And I just interviewed today. By the way, what's that

563
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:25.000
I just interviewed him today?

564
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:30.680
I love, but me and Riley kind of came up

565
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:33.519
came up the idea maybe it wasn't a sas squash

566
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:36.119
that we're dealing with, Maybe it was something else that

567
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:36.680
lives in there.

568
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:41.519
But being it could be fairal people. I mean, the

569
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:44.319
fact the fact that there's a fire kind of is

570
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:47.680
a is a is a clue to that that your

571
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:48.720
buddy saw fire.

572
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:52.640
That's kind of how we what we were thinking, or

573
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:57.599
people are more like cultists maybe whatever this thing is

574
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.599
in a sense, maybe we're thinking and more on the

575
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:04.440
uh paranormal side of it was a spirit, a forest

576
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:05.359
spirit or something.

577
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:09.000
Yeah, you never know. I mean it could be there's

578
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:10.359
some many Yeah.

579
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:10.519
No.

580
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:15.160
That night though has really like I don't want to

581
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:19.880
sound like like a sally for it, but it's messed

582
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:23.599
with me for a good bit, Like I feel afraid

583
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:26.079
of being in the dark in the woods.

584
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:29.759
Yeah no, I mean because we've had a we had

585
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.640
a very I guess you could call. I mean, I

586
00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:37.119
didn't hear what you heard, right, but I've heard a

587
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:41.480
pretty hillacious howl, yell, scream.

588
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:42.119
Yeah.

589
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.880
And but not only with that, I also felt it,

590
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:48.759
okay in your chest, like it was like yeah, yeah, no,

591
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:51.880
I you could feel it. It was just like now.

592
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:56.880
And I've also had two sasquatch encounters and both of

593
00:33:56.960 --> 00:34:01.880
them included the same type of roar and I could

594
00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:05.039
you could just feel it. It was like just power man.

595
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:06.319
Oh.

596
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:11.760
And like I said, I've said in my encounter, you

597
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:18.440
know when I reuh recall it, I could feel it

598
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:19.760
as much as I could hear it.

599
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:24.760
That makes I I'm tracking because I mean, if I

600
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.280
thinking back to it, it was like, I don't know

601
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.519
how to explain it other than is like being at

602
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:31.960
a concert and feeling the base.

603
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:35.679
Yeah, yeah, no absolutely, man. So I you know, I've

604
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:39.159
done a bunch of these podcasts, man, and I get reports.

605
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:43.400
I talk to a lot of people, and uh so

606
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:46.440
one of the ones that is almost identical to that

607
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:52.320
that I remember getting as Amanda, the Sasquatch lady, that's

608
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:56.639
what her name is. And she works at the Expedition

609
00:34:56.760 --> 00:35:00.960
Bigfoot Museum in North Georgia, and and she has a

610
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:09.280
childhood experience very similar with a with a scream, roar, bellow,

611
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:11.159
whatever you want to call it, just like that, and

612
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:16.360
she's it knocked her down because it was behind her

613
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:20.559
and like her brother and cousin saw it and just

614
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:24.280
took off running. So then she was like, whoa, maybe

615
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:27.800
I should run too, So she took off running and

616
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:32.559
then it yelled, you know it, uh let out it's

617
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:39.320
rar and it actually knocked her down. Sorry, shit, all enough.

618
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:41.159
Since four o'clock this morning.

619
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:45.239
I understand that another thing that I was kind of thinking,

620
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:50.280
I mean, this isn't the first weird thing like it

621
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:54.440
has not that that encounter has scared has maybe scared

622
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:58.079
of being in the woods at night alone. It is

623
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:01.559
called I do find comfort and having a hand a

624
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:04.119
gun on me. It's it's just I don't know if

625
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.360
it's just you know that I think I could defend myself.

626
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:09.880
I know I probably can't against one of these things.

627
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:14.119
I mean, how could you really? But that's kind of

628
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:15.000
how I feel.

629
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:17.559
Yeah, I mean it's just it's a security blanket.

630
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:20.840
Yeah, no, I understand, I totally. You know, so many

631
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:24.679
people do they they won't go out armed, you know,

632
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:28.519
or or they won't go out unarmed. That's what I mean.

633
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:34.360
I I'm on the fence, man. I it depends on

634
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:35.159
where I'm at.

635
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:40.039
Even my thought processes. Even if it is nothing out there,

636
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:42.519
it's a good thing to have on you in case.

637
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:43.800
Yeah, of course her.

638
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:47.239
I mean we could do like the old hunter safety. Yeah,

639
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:51.000
there's three shots in a row, which makes no sense

640
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:53.599
because sometimes you know, you miss that shooting deer a

641
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:55.880
couple of times. It's like her or is that someone

642
00:36:55.960 --> 00:37:01.239
just really bad at shooting? But yeah, that that was

643
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:04.519
the first one I've had multiple Just I don't want

644
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:05.760
to I don't want to put labels on him. I

645
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:07.800
don't want to say it with sasquats.

646
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.440
Yeah, because you don't actually know if I saw it

647
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:14.480
in the one thing if you saw it right, Yeah,

648
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.360
this is at my old house.

649
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:22.079
Actually, me and Buddy were out kyote hunt. It's January, Yeah,

650
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:26.280
it was. It was January. We were kyote hunting at night,

651
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:29.119
so we took turns to flashlights to scan the field.

652
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:30.840
And it wasn't really us trying to kyte hunt. We

653
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.079
we had no intentions of shooting at kyote. It was

654
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:37.440
just us hanging out in the woods and uh, this

655
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:41.000
was a visual encounter of something. I'm gonna put a

656
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:44.880
label on it because I don't know, but he's not,

657
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:46.760
you know, it's my turn to scan the flat scan

658
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:49.719
with a flash slamp, scan this headero in this field.

659
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.679
And we get to this big tree, like big oak tree,

660
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.880
old growth. It was I mean, doh, this tree is

661
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:59.440
four maybe four feet wide around. It's not someone can

662
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:02.400
stand behind it and hide. And we get this tree

663
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:05.280
and my buddy's like but he's like stop, what was that?

664
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:07.039
And I was like, what do you mean. He's like, dude,

665
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:09.599
I swear I saw something just peeking around the side

666
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.840
of the tree. And I was like, that's weird. Maybe

667
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:15.519
it's a crackhead or something. I don't know. I didn't

668
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:19.920
see it, so whatever, right. So maybe five minutes go by,

669
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:23.599
I was like, hey, shine a flashlight and we were

670
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:27.840
calling to see even getting cayotes in and you know,

671
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:32.239
he scans across across the field nakeds to this tree

672
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:34.519
and I see something peeking out from the other side,

673
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:36.559
and I don't know if it's just my mind playing

674
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:39.880
tricks on me or whatever. Yeah, and I was like stop.

675
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:42.199
I was like, is that the same tree that you

676
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:44.960
saw something. He's like, yeah, that's the same tree. Like, okay,

677
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:47.360
I seen something. Maybe there's maybe there's someone out of

678
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:50.400
my property. Let's go investigate. So we started walking up

679
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:55.159
to the woods and we're probably at the fifty yard mark.

680
00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:58.199
It's dark enough that I can see the tree line.

681
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:00.320
I can't see anything any detail the tree line. I

682
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.079
could see this and I don't know if it's just

683
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:06.679
how to explain it, but I felt like the weight

684
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:08.960
of the world was on my chest and just the

685
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:12.079
anxiety was building up of whatever it was, and I

686
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:15.639
was like, I don't like this, don't like this one bit.

687
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:19.079
And so next thing you know, you just hear a

688
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.519
loud crack like something stepped on a big, big branch

689
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:26.639
or something that and it broke and that was enough

690
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:30.039
that we both froze up. And I think I had

691
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:34.199
like twenty two magnum with me, and if I said

692
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:36.800
I was lying, I did a Churchill mad minute. It

693
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:41.400
was just pop, clickop, just popping rounds down range. Don't

694
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:43.039
know why. It was just felt like the right thing

695
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:46.440
to do. And I'm I know there's no one, there's

696
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:50.599
no houses, there's nothing but that woodline that these rounds

697
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:52.880
are gonna go flying into. That's when it hurt someone.

698
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:57.599
So I'm just punching rounds downrange. As my buddies were

699
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:02.480
running away. We turn around, ran probably for a couple

700
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:05.280
hundred yards, got to where we felt was a safe distance,

701
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:07.440
and we're at this point we're deep briefing what we

702
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:11.800
just what just happened, and reach you guess kind of said, well,

703
00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:14.960
what is what it is? Whatever it was, it's funny, yo,

704
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.760
maybe we're gona here. Loud footsteps come run out behind us,

705
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:21.320
and then you're here a loud bang as sasquatch hit

706
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:25.360
iust and fell on his ass. Like we're trying to

707
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:27.519
make the best of the situation that just stuck with us.

708
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:32.280
So flash forward to the summer. We're probably ten miles

709
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:34.880
from where I was living, fishing this creek, middle of

710
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:38.000
the woods, probably two o'clock in the morning, three o'clock

711
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:42.800
in the morning. We're fishing this creek and we're both tired.

712
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:47.320
We're done for the day. Fish aren't biting anymore. So

713
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:49.719
we pack our stuff up, walk up to our trucks,

714
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:53.440
and my buddy reaches in his pockets, doesn't have his keys.

715
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:57.000
I'm like, ah, they're back down there at the log.

716
00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:59.559
Aren't thing. He's like yeah. I was like, well, I'll

717
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:01.400
leave him this up my truck. I'll go down there

718
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:03.760
with you so way you don't, you know, twist an

719
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:08.360
ankle or something down there, just good safety practices. Start

720
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:10.960
walking down there, and we get up to this log

721
00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:14.199
and I could see the log from like with the

722
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:16.760
moon illuminating there the trail, I can see this log

723
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:22.880
and you just hear this loud and splash, splash gone.

724
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:27.559
This river is probably about twelve feet wide, good five

725
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:31.719
six feet deep, and it was just two slashes, just splash, splash,

726
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:34.039
and then it must have cleared the other bank, hit

727
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:37.880
the other bank, and gone up the embankment. My buddy

728
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.480
froze up. At this point, I've had enough weird stuff

729
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:43.880
had to me right, glock comes out. I pushed to

730
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:47.320
the keys, grab them. I'm like, start walking. We walked

731
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:49.639
back up to the truck and we're like, what was that?

732
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:55.400
Don't know? Okay, cool, just put in the file book

733
00:41:55.440 --> 00:42:00.559
of weird stuff, weird stuff, and that will was one

734
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:03.719
of the last ones I had in New York. So

735
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:08.400
I moved to Kansas and then something else. I don't

736
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:10.239
know what it was. You know, I had a lot

737
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:12.039
of people telling me it was a cougar. I saw.

738
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:16.039
I've never seen a cougar move that fast, nor that

739
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:18.360
high off the ground. It's not Spider Man climbing from

740
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:22.280
tree to tree, I'll tell you that. But that's this ranch.

741
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:29.519
I was, uh, we're uh, we're they call like like

742
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:33.039
we call them like gullies and like ravine. They call

743
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:36.360
them canyons out here. So we're in this canyon, uh,

744
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:38.760
fixing an old fence. I mean it's been it's old

745
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:40.159
like I think it's an old river. Its old river

746
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:42.199
batter or something like that. Had all the sand and stuff,

747
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:45.639
and we're down there working sid Besides behind me, I

748
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:47.559
had my I have my Sake three twenty on my

749
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:52.159
hip and we're just having all the conversation. Whatever next thing,

750
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:56.599
you know, like from having birds and insects making noise

751
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:59.559
to excuse me, absolutely nothing, just dead silent, like you

752
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:02.760
could drop a pin right and you could hear it.

753
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:07.360
And I was like, oh, I don't like this, and

754
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:13.559
other ranch hands like why it's peaceful, like no, bubble,

755
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:16.480
this ain't peaceful like where I grew up. If you

756
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:19.519
hear if this happens, it's bad. There's something out there

757
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:23.400
that is hot food chained in us. And he's like, ah,

758
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:27.159
you're just you're just overthinking it. But whatever. So I

759
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:28.960
turn around to go grab something out of the back

760
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.880
to the side by side, and out of the corner

761
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:35.400
of my eye, I see something probably seven eight feet tall,

762
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:39.719
dark brown, like a reddish brown, just from tree, got

763
00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:43.599
from tree to tree and it moved, I mean it

764
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:48.360
moved quick and it was enough that it startled me

765
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:51.400
where I drew my hand my gun and I'm sitting

766
00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:53.159
there staring and just trying to get an eye, like

767
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:55.559
an eye on where the hell this thing's last position was.

768
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.400
Can't see it. My ranch ranch hands like what what

769
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:03.639
was that? What did you see? And I explained to me.

770
00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:06.280
He's like, oh, it's probably a cougar, your eyes playing

771
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:08.519
tricks on you or something like, oh, just a cougar,

772
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:10.320
Just just a cougar, Like.

773
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:13.039
That's just probably a cougar.

774
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:16.599
Something I've never thought I want to here. And so

775
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:21.119
we finish up that fence. Uh started driving these all

776
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:24.480
these cows and calves into this pastor, and I mean

777
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:28.679
they're spilling out any spot they could find, like they

778
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:29.920
did not want to be in the front of. We

779
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:34.760
get them all pushed in there, shut the gate, go

780
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:38.119
home for the day, come back in the next morning,

781
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:41.760
and all these these cows are just spilled out into

782
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:44.320
the pastor we just got them out of. I mean,

783
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:47.079
they broke the fence and everything. I'm like, that's a

784
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:50.639
lot of work. So we get we were riding through

785
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:56.239
this fucking pasture and I hear a ranch hand, you know,

786
00:44:56.719 --> 00:45:00.000
motion over for me. So I ride over there and

787
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:03.679
I look down and there's this calf that's just destroyed.

788
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:08.159
I mean, I've seen coyotes attack calves, but I've never

789
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:12.639
seen just one utilated more or less, just you know

790
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:16.920
what I mean, Like, yeah, it's unnatural. And he's like,

791
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:18.639
what do you think did it? I was like, dude,

792
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:21.320
I don't know. Maybe a kyo and he's like, there

793
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:24.519
are some clean ass bites for a coyote. I was like,

794
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:27.880
yeah they are. I mean we had calves that would

795
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:32.159
just uh, this one calf had a chunk probably about

796
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:37.440
ya big taken out of this hind quarter, just clean cut,

797
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.639
just gone. I mean it was red and you know, nasty,

798
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:43.639
but it was it wasn't like it wasn't what you expect.

799
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:46.679
Does that make sense? But yeah, we're sort of right

800
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:48.880
back to this fence line trying to make sure it's

801
00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:53.119
still good to go, and the ranch hand calls over

802
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:55.960
to me, says, hey, come here, and he's holding this

803
00:45:56.800 --> 00:46:01.599
reddish brown hair. He's like, found I found your call prit.

804
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:05.800
I was like, where'd you find that? Grant we're running,

805
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.639
we're running all black cattle. Yeah, so we have we

806
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:11.679
have you know, black angus, and we have some black baldies.

807
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:14.119
So there's no red hair that's hurt. They're all black

808
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:17.480
and white whatever. So I was like, where'd you find that?

809
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:20.480
He's like that was about chest level or like right

810
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:23.960
here on me in this briar patch, and I was like, well,

811
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:26.039
that's pretty fucking that's taller than any of the cows

812
00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:29.480
we have. That's pretty up and that's pretty close to

813
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:33.239
why or I saw it was that day that he started, well,

814
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:37.159
maybe Kyle's right about something. We never sent it off

815
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:38.880
to get tested because I never really thought about it

816
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:41.280
and never really I don't even send it off to

817
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:45.920
get tested, right Like, I'm I'm in small town Kansas,

818
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:50.440
so we have two thousand people if that, No, I

819
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:52.320
don't have the resources for that. And I didn't really

820
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:54.800
care enough at the point, like this point in my life,

821
00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:58.519
I was really I wasn't out of being interested in

822
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:01.199
this stuff. It just wasn't a priority of mine. That's

823
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:04.679
at that point, and that it was what hasn't been

824
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:08.599
to the last three or four months. That December, because

825
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:11.719
we me and my old lady were headed down to

826
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:15.400
Tennessee and I was listening to uh the Confessionals and

827
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:19.719
Drewski was on there, yeah and Driski. I really just

828
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:23.800
enjoyed the episode. So I found on Instagram, started following him,

829
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:28.519
started listening to his podcast and everything, and I reached

830
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:31.079
out to him one day tell my story like hey,

831
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:34.559
am I crazy? And then yeah, we're now we're here

832
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:41.719
and being surrounded by people like you, Riley, Drewski and

833
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:44.559
everyone else. It's just it's reignited that passion to want

834
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:45.000
to know more.

835
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:54.000
Yeah. Right, It's like it's it's a it's a rabbit hole, man, Dude,

836
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:54.679
I would.

837
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:57.119
Love to go on and investigate on an operation with

838
00:47:57.159 --> 00:47:57.559
Drew Ski.

839
00:47:58.000 --> 00:47:59.840
Yeah, Drew.

840
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:03.480
He also said that whenever I want to or said,

841
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:07.199
I'm in if I remember correctly, which I'm ecstatic about,

842
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:09.960
not really static to get to put myself into the

843
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:10.599
show position.

844
00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:12.480
Yeah, man, no, I hear you.

845
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:16.440
But also at the same point, I'm older, I know more,

846
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:21.000
and I'm surrounded, I'm surrounded by people that know what's

847
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:23.199
going on. They could be like, hey, you know, get

848
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:24.199
that get that gun up.

849
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:30.079
Yeah, I can tell you. Yeah, Riley, you had a

850
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:33.679
hell of a number done on and I hurt in Tennessee.

851
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:37.360
Oh man. Him and I talked about a lot of

852
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:45.599
it today, not just on the podcast, but uh, off offline,

853
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.239
and I know it kind of put him through the

854
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:53.599
ringer a little scared the crap out of him. I

855
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:57.119
mean it sounds like he's uh sounds like he's not

856
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:04.039
been exposed to stuff, right, But there's certain spots that

857
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:08.960
you get into, man, that are just it's a it's

858
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:15.519
a different environment. I find Allegheny National Forest in one

859
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:21.719
of those places, it's just got a error, it's got

860
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:25.519
an electricity, there's like an air there is. There's something

861
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:29.400
different there, like whether it's you know, and people be like, oh, yeah,

862
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:33.519
it's you know, lay lines and whatever. I don't know.

863
00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:37.559
But at the end of the day, it's it's a

864
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:42.480
different feeling, right, I mean. And I've been in the

865
00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:46.320
woods since I was a kid, just like you've said,

866
00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:48.679
and then being in the military. I've been all over

867
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:54.960
the world in the woods, Alaska, California, you know, you

868
00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:59.599
name it, Uh, everywhere down south and the Carolinas and

869
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:07.000
Florida and uh it's the swampiest of swamps man, you know,

870
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:14.360
and it just you it's a whole nother place. And

871
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:18.639
where they are in East Tennessee, western North Carolina, that

872
00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:28.079
whole Appalachia Corridor, It's there's something really going on there, right, Yeah,

873
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:32.760
all the legends are just insane, and it's a different

874
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:35.920
like I've like him and I talked about earlier. It's

875
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:38.639
a different type of dark there too, Like.

876
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:43.480
So living out here, this is something that's really hard

877
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:47.880
to explain to people how dark it is like where

878
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:51.079
we're from just even in the southern tier and that's

879
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:52.400
still that's still Appalachia.

880
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:53.599
Yeah.

881
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:55.159
I know a lot of people don't like, don't like

882
00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:56.559
to say that, but I would.

883
00:50:56.719 --> 00:50:57.960
I would agree though.

884
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:00.960
Like ell Agan, I don't know if it's just the

885
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:04.519
pines and the Old Girl Forest or what.

886
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:06.880
Something it is.

887
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.960
It's one of those places like you're saying, it's different,

888
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:16.159
there's different. It's it's the area. Yeah, it's like algy

889
00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:16.559
at night.

890
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:20.400
Yeah, oh god. I you know, so this is the

891
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:22.480
last time that we were in I think you and

892
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:25.119
I talked right before, right after.

893
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:28.079
I was headed up to Pennsylvania at that time.

894
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:33.079
And we uh so, I haven't looked at the footage yet,

895
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:38.800
but I had go pros on my car facing like

896
00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:43.559
three sixty. But that night one of my one of

897
00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:49.840
the guys too, had some sort of incident with something

898
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.800
and it could have been you know, it could be

899
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:56.039
like a deer or a fox or something. But I've

900
00:51:56.119 --> 00:51:59.480
like looked at I've listened to like all the footage

901
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:04.320
basically of the internet. Plus I had I really had

902
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:10.199
a couple of different AI programs analyze this, and it

903
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:17.280
basically was like no unidentified wildlife right, And I couldn't

904
00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:20.559
place it. It's kind of like, oh maybe as a fox.

905
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:23.639
Maybe it was hurt so I don't know, but either way,

906
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:27.480
there was some but he was saying he could see

907
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:30.440
something in the tree and you couldn't. You can't really

908
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:33.280
see it on the video, and then it started coming

909
00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:36.079
down the tree and he was like, Okay, we gotta go,

910
00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:41.159
you know, like this is not cool, but making some

911
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:46.320
weird noises, right. And one of the things that we've

912
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:50.960
had happened there is we literally heard what would be

913
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:57.400
like if you were watching National Geographic watching a chimpanzee documentary,

914
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:01.119
like with like Diane Fosse or or uh whatever the

915
00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:06.199
she's that's the gorilla lady, who's the the chimp lady?

916
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:13.159
Doesn't matter either way, like a watching and listening to

917
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:19.159
like chimpanzees fighting in the woods, right, And we we've

918
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:24.639
literally heard that there at night, just insane and it

919
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:27.320
wasn't like it was just me or just me and

920
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:31.239
like one other person note is like five six seven people.

921
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:34.960
And one of the craziest parts about that is that

922
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:39.719
we had a recorder running a very good recorder at

923
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:47.440
that and we have about a four minute gap and

924
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:51.840
audio really right when we would have right when you

925
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:58.079
would have heard those chimpanzees fighting, monkeys fighting in the

926
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:01.920
woods of Pennsylvania. And then so you hear everything before it,

927
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:06.760
you hear everything after it, but there's and you couldn't

928
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:08.679
even hear us being like, oh my god, do you

929
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:11.920
hear that. It's just it's fucking crazy.

930
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:14.519
Just sounds like it's redacted.

931
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:19.320
Yeah, it's just not there. It's it's not there on

932
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:22.559
the on the recorder's I mean, the time is there,

933
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:27.960
but the actual audio is gone. There's no audio. It's weird.

934
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:32.760
That's some Uh how'd I say this extraterrestrial type?

935
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:36.760
Yeah, so there's there's that. I've also had batteries get drained.

936
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:40.519
I've had all kinds of stuff, stuff that's very paranormal

937
00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:45.159
type stuff going on, that's evolve sasquatch, Like I know

938
00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:49.320
there was something right there. And when I tried to

939
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:53.440
get it on thermal my my, because I have a

940
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:57.840
thermal camera that hooks to my iPhone and I had

941
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:03.239
two iPhones fully charts waiting ready, and I plugged the

942
00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:06.280
one in fired it up. I mean it literally fires

943
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:11.199
up in like three seconds. Boom, brought it up, phone

944
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:15.840
goes dead. It went from on to dead and then

945
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:18.519
I switched it out, did like a mag reload, but

946
00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:23.320
with the you know, with the with the thermal thermal,

947
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:27.679
and within three seconds had the other one up and

948
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:31.880
it went dead too. And I'm not saying it like

949
00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:36.199
didn't work, you know, like at that moment, No, No,

950
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:41.320
the batteries were dead and they were fully charged. I

951
00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:45.920
had just charged them trying to set up, and it

952
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:48.679
was an ambush. I was setting up this camera trap

953
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:57.760
type thing because I was using infrared cameras and uh,

954
00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:02.079
because I have two IR cameras and then I have

955
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:10.800
two game cams that are also infrared camera and video,

956
00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:15.480
and I had them all in strategic you know. I

957
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:19.719
was setting up a funnel, so I wanted it to

958
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:24.559
go here. So I had everything covered around this little

959
00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:28.880
fence line that we've got except for that, and it

960
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:31.599
came right up to the to the fence where I

961
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:35.320
wanted it to, just like I knew it would get

962
00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:38.800
it up camera. So I just now, I just use

963
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:45.239
cameras as a deterrence for when I sleep at night. Yeah,

964
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:47.800
I set up I set up game cams around my

965
00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:51.559
car because I have a rooftop tent now, So I

966
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:54.320
set game cams up around my car and infra. I

967
00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:56.800
have these magnetic the infrared cameras that I have, I

968
00:56:56.920 --> 00:56:59.360
have a magnet on them so I can literally stick

969
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:01.480
them right to this out of my car. That's all.

970
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:05.719
That's so I have two there, and then I have

971
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:10.159
the game the trail camps as well. And ever since

972
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:15.400
I've done that, I've had nothing mess with my where

973
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:15.880
I sleep.

974
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:21.360
At least That's what I've found that like a lot

975
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:25.000
of times talking about like sasquatch and stuff, the lines

976
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:30.159
between extraterrestrial and uh paranormal blur.

977
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:34.679
Yeah, No, I agree, I totally agree.

978
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:39.119
I don't and fully why it does. I don't think

979
00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:41.199
I ever will, but the same Yeah.

980
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:44.280
I mean, I go, I go way off what I

981
00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:48.159
think is going on. I I I I don't even

982
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:50.719
care anymore. I've been doing this long enough and I've

983
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:55.320
got enough experience out there to know that it's not

984
00:57:55.639 --> 00:58:00.280
a to me. It's just not a discovered how in it,

985
00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:07.239
you know? I think there's I think it's a hybrid. Frankly,

986
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:10.039
I mean, and I've said this on the on another

987
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:14.000
podcast this week, because I've been sitting on the fence

988
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:18.320
for a long time, because what I say, is because

989
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:21.679
it's crazy, but I don't care. It's it's not crazy,

990
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:25.559
it's just not you know, the normal thing. And I

991
00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:30.360
think that they are a hybrid at what you would

992
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:34.119
call what's called an eliude, but just then eliud is

993
00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:39.800
a is a basically the children of a nephilim.

994
00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:42.840
Okay, that's why it sounds familiar now.

995
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:48.239
And uh, you know, but that's what I think they are.

996
00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:52.280
I mean, so, I think I think that if you

997
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:55.119
really want to like hear a great definition of what

998
00:58:55.159 --> 00:58:59.719
they I'll probably put something together here soon. But one

999
00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:02.119
of the ask people to explain it is Lam r

1000
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:06.039
Zuli and what he thinks. And because I I really

1001
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:10.800
do agree, not one, but you know, I agree a

1002
00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:14.559
lot with that, just from my own experiences that I've got,

1003
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:23.440
plus just the spidey senses that I have, so I

1004
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:25.840
would I was thought to say, and I don't care

1005
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:29.559
what anyone else says. I never have either, but I

1006
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:32.400
you know, I just kind of I just kind of

1007
00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:38.119
was noncommittal. But now I'm a little not militant about it.

1008
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:40.440
But yeah, I'll talk about it now.

1009
00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:44.599
When I've I kind of stopped caring what people think

1010
00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:50.159
me and Riley were talking about this a couple of

1011
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:51.840
weeks ago. I think it was on his podcast too,

1012
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:55.199
I talked about it. I don't know if I if

1013
00:59:55.239 --> 00:59:58.760
this was a dream or this actually happened. The details

1014
00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:05.079
that are really fuzzy, but this was my old lady

1015
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:07.960
was still in her apartment that she was she was

1016
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:11.599
in when we met. I spend the night. This is

1017
01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:14.519
right on the same time that the drones or whatever

1018
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:17.119
was seen around Jersey and everything right they were seen

1019
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:20.079
them all across the country. I said, I don't know

1020
01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:23.480
if it was a dream. I to this day I'm

1021
01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:27.239
unsure whether it's real life or not. I remember we

1022
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:29.360
I walked in the bedroom and I'm looking out the

1023
01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:31.679
window and I see the green light in the sky

1024
01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:36.159
just womp, womp, just Paul sitting and I started speeding up.

1025
01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:40.159
I got faster and faster and faster, and I got

1026
01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:42.119
dizzy once again. I don't know if this is a

1027
01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:44.280
dream or this actually happened, but I have a very

1028
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:47.559
vivid memory, but still where I got dizzy, couldn't stand up,

1029
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:51.519
face planeted into the ground, woke up in bed. I

1030
01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:55.559
have never I woke up and I was like, did

1031
01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:59.320
that happen? Was that a dream where she got up.

1032
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:01.599
I mean, she woke up later that morning and I

1033
01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:04.320
was like, was I in bed last night? And she's like, well,

1034
01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:06.760
I sleep really heavy, so I don't know, but I

1035
01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:08.599
think you were. I was like, did I go to

1036
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:13.000
bed with you? Like I lay down in bed and

1037
01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:16.360
she's like, I think so I don't remember. I'm like,

1038
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:22.440
was I abducted? If by aliens? Or like what's up? Yeah,

1039
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:25.280
now I tell this story, and I'm really hoping like

1040
01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:27.719
the G men show up over this right.

1041
01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:32.719
Right right now. I know, yeah, I had a crazy

1042
01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:36.880
I don't know if I've ever told that story. Well,

1043
01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:39.679
I think I'm gonna tell it and then we can

1044
01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:44.760
wrap this up. So I was driving back from Syracuse

1045
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:48.760
to it's when I was in the Army. So Syracuse

1046
01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:52.639
to Watertown it's about an hour, and I lived out

1047
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:54.800
in town. I didn't live on base, so it was

1048
01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:57.639
it was almost an hour from where we were at

1049
01:01:57.639 --> 01:01:59.519
the door. And now we had been at a bar,

1050
01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:03.760
but we decided that we weren't Like, we were supposed

1051
01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:08.639
to stay at one of our buddies girlfriend's house, and

1052
01:02:08.679 --> 01:02:12.639
it just didn't work out. I can't remember why, but

1053
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:14.920
we were just like nah, I don't want to sleep

1054
01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:19.039
on like a cout skull. I wasn't like I was

1055
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:22.880
fine to drive that kind of thing. And I wasn't like,

1056
01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:28.440
you know, tired, really and I remember because otherwise I

1057
01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:31.960
wouldn't have driven, you know, but it was like probably

1058
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:36.440
I want to say, it was eleven or twelve at night,

1059
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:40.760
like sometime around midnight. And I really wish that I

1060
01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:43.519
had known exactly what time it was because we're driving

1061
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:46.400
just and I was listening to music kind of loud,

1062
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:50.239
but my buddy had passed out. And I remember. The

1063
01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:56.039
last thing I remember seeing the exit prior to the

1064
01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:59.559
exit that we get off at right and I didn't

1065
01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:02.159
live that far off the exit, so we were like

1066
01:03:02.320 --> 01:03:06.639
really close to home, like two three miles right. Next

1067
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:10.159
thing I remember. Next thing I remember is I see

1068
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:13.440
in front of me this the Thousand Islands Bridge, which

1069
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:18.360
is the bridge the frit It's the bridge prior going

1070
01:03:18.519 --> 01:03:23.360
into Canada. Yeah, up front, but it's from where we

1071
01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:29.639
were at. It's like thirty something miles from where I

1072
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:32.320
was at at that exit. The last thing I remember

1073
01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:36.719
to when I woke up, because that's how I felt like.

1074
01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:42.320
I woke up at the bridge and like maybe two

1075
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.760
hundred meters from the toll booth where you have to

1076
01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:49.119
pay to go over the bridge. And I woke up

1077
01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:53.119
like I was late for work, like driving, but I

1078
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:56.960
was fucking driving, and I don't I literally don't remember

1079
01:03:57.079 --> 01:04:01.480
anything between then and then for forty miles thirty it's

1080
01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:03.280
like thirty five miles.

1081
01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:07.159
We're talking a time of probably what about forty five minutes.

1082
01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:10.679
Yeah, and I don't know. I don't know time. I

1083
01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:13.320
didn't see, Like I wish I had looked at the

1084
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:17.400
clock and like known, but I didn't. So that's what

1085
01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:20.679
I call my alien abductions. Who knows. Maybe I fell

1086
01:04:20.679 --> 01:04:23.199
asleep and like rumble stripped it all the way down.

1087
01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:27.800
But I was on a major highway now, needless to say,

1088
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:31.480
it's very you know, it's I eighty one is what

1089
01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:36.599
I was on between Syracuse and Canada, and on a

1090
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:40.280
but it was like a Friday night or something Saturday night.

1091
01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:43.800
It was random. I can't believe that I would fall

1092
01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:48.480
asleep and then drive that whole way and not crash. Yeah, no,

1093
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:52.119
I don't care if there's rumble strips, you know what

1094
01:04:52.119 --> 01:04:56.039
I mean, Like, no, it's not It just doesn't make

1095
01:04:56.079 --> 01:04:58.559
sense to me. I guess it's possible, but that's me

1096
01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:02.159
trying to rationalize. But I don't know whether any other way.

1097
01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:05.320
I mean, maybe there was some sort of time slip.

1098
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:08.079
There could have been a who knows, but it was

1099
01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:13.960
very weird it so yeah, so yeah, man. So the

1100
01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:18.800
name of the show broadcasting seeds. So I like to

1101
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:23.039
plant seeds in people's brains. So I like to ask

1102
01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:26.000
my guests at the end, you know what, do you

1103
01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:30.239
got got some seed to plant, maybe to help the

1104
01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:35.079
audience out, or you know whatever, some some seed that

1105
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:41.280
you might have a nugget of wisdom or uh, you know, hey,

1106
01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:42.760
you know what I'm saying.

1107
01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:45.039
Man, I don't want to quote the X Files, but

1108
01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:52.280
the truth out there, it is somewhere. Not everything is

1109
01:05:53.719 --> 01:05:57.360
what it seems. Trust, I mean, make your own opinions

1110
01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:01.760
on stuff. Whether I mean and it's good. It's with

1111
01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:04.679
the territory of believing this stuff that you know, people

1112
01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:06.599
gonna say we're crazy. But go spend a night out

1113
01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:10.079
in the woods, go find you know, your local bigfoot

1114
01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:12.800
researcher groups or whatever that go and put on expeditions.

1115
01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:16.199
You will figure out to believe or go on ghost hunts.

1116
01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:20.000
You'll believe my wife and kids always make fun of me,

1117
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:21.960
and then I'm like, hey, why don't you come out

1118
01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:23.559
with me? And they're like no, no.

1119
01:06:23.119 --> 01:06:27.199
No, Yeah, it's because there's that possibility that they're that

1120
01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:30.440
they're wrong. Yeah, And a lot of the skeptics that

1121
01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:32.239
I've talked to, and I'll sit there and be like,

1122
01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:34.679
well it's going. Let's I could take you to some

1123
01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:39.280
spots in the appellations that weird stuff happens, and they're like, no,

1124
01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:42.599
I'm all right, why good wait because it's the apple

1125
01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:48.119
they're scary absolutely what makes correct? Well, I don't that's

1126
01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:51.159
the stories. Well, bubba, if you want to, if you

1127
01:06:52.159 --> 01:06:54.639
if you don't believe, there's nothing to be afraid of them.

1128
01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:57.440
But I appreciate you coming on.

1129
01:06:57.760 --> 01:06:59.119
I appreciate you having me on. Man.

1130
01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:03.519
Yeah, it's a good time. We'll do it again at

1131
01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:08.119
some point, right on. All right, Yeah, I am man.

1132
01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:10.280
I'm I'm more down.

1133
01:07:10.400 --> 01:07:12.639
I'm more than down to come out of the came

1134
01:07:13.960 --> 01:07:14.559
all right, man?

1135
01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:16.000
Then four or five hors.

1136
01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:21.480
Yeah, I got bad thoughts that make my mind scared,

1137
01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:24.440
hold me hostage and they don't fight fair, who're gonna

1138
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:25.000
pray for me?

1139
01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:27.679
And white bro? My tests who're gonna save me? If

1140
01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:30.440
you're not right here, move this darkness and make my

1141
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:33.039
sight clear, to take me your way because I don't

1142
01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:35.719
like you. Go stop my past day feeling the night

1143
01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:47.440
and wake me up. And trapped in my nightmass, trapped in.

1144
01:07:47.440 --> 01:08:01.719
My Nightmas, trying and trying and not mouthed, deeping apparitions

1145
01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:05.840
of all my demons, all my thoughts are come making treason.

1146
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:10.559
All alone, going hear me screaming manifest ships on my fists,

1147
01:08:10.920 --> 01:08:13.639
regrets that stretched out for light years. You can almost

1148
01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:16.840
touch the light. Homiees right there, body free but attracting

1149
01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:21.840
my Nightmas. I'm don't let me your life to fade.

1150
01:08:22.760 --> 01:08:26.279
All my life is faith now, all my life is

1151
01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:29.720
face and mad. Else why I don't let me, Johnny,

1152
01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:35.840
My life is fading. All my life is fading.

1153
01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:46.960
We need trapping my Nightmas.

1154
01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:17.199
Shop shopping a

1155
01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:34.159
Gold called