Aug. 14, 2025

Folklore, Possession & The Dark Side of Culture — with Victoria Jaye

Folklore, Possession & The Dark Side of Culture — with Victoria Jaye
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Preface: There are some audio issues with this episode of no fault of Victoria or myself. Normally I would not post but the information in my opinion is worth the listen and watch.

In this conversation, Victoria Jaye, known as the Demon Folklorist, shares her unique insights into the world of demonology, drawing from her personal experiences and academic background in folklore. She discusses her journey into the field, the differences between demons and jinn, and the cultural contexts that shape our understanding of supernatural phenomena. Victoria emphasizes the importance of critical thinking in distinguishing between demonic fantasy and reality, and she provides valuable insights into how to identify and address potential possession experiences. The conversation also touches on the connections between folklore, horror films, and the rise of demonic fantasy in contemporary culture.

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Right, we're live. Victoria the demon Folkloreist. Welcome to broadcasting Seeds.

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Tell us who you are.

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And j I am the demon folklorist. As he said,

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I got my masters in twenty twenty one from Utah

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State in supernatural Folklore, and I had done my thesis

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on cataloging demonic phenomena from published narratives into site sounds, smell,

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and feeling. That's what my first book, The Black Hours,

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Modern Demonic Experiences and Folklore is about. And right now

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I'm working on my second book about how demonic fantasy

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has influenced the way that the public views demonology.

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Wow, you're like college educated demon folklorist, right, but it's cool.

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It's it's pretty cool that there from what's university again, Utah, you.

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Have an amazing folk or department. If anyone is ever interested,

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I'm happy to answer questions or just go there and

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find out for yourself. Because they were very supportive of

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me going into demonology. They were like, nobody's done that.

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That's so cool, And apparently they still talk about it

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to new students. They're like, well, this is what Victoria did,

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and I'm like, oh, that's so sweet.

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That's awesome. I love it that and I love that

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it's it's somewhat well, it is not it's unique completely,

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It's not somewhat unique, it's unique. But so just backtracking,

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just a touch, what got you into that? Like, what

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what was your Everyone's got a gateway to this high,

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strange world that we live in, right or to this

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niche of stuff, So what is your gateway?

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What got me into this is that I was possessed

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when I was nineteen. I believe currently that it was

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a gin, but I think demons were involved. But because

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of you know, they have divine laws that they have

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to follow. They can't just come into people's lives that

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a gin had an easier time accessing me, I have

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I lost three days of my life. They're gone, no

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idea what happened, anything could have happened to me, and

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I have no idea. And I woke up in a

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mental institution with a cigarette in my mouth. I don't smoke,

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never have, and my glasses weren't on, so it kind

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of implies that it could see without them, and you

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know I can't see without them at all. So then

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it became okay, where am I? What am I doing?

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Like why am I here because I was gone for

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all of this and trying to rebuild my life after

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this event. Honestly though, something I do want to tell

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people when they hear that story, because it is frightening.

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You can have a perfectly normal life after a possession.

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It is not the only experience and it is not

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going to define you forever. So something to think about.

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So was there a process of did you? I guess

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the right way to put it is yours.

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I actually don't believe it. I did it. I do

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believe in God. I believe that he cast it out

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for me, either that or it was a combination of

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that and my will took back over and I woke

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up essentially, because when it comes to possessions of any kind,

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your will will eventually rebuild and you will push it out.

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But being that I am religious, like, I believe I

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had help because I wasn't there.

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Okay, gotcha?

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Yeah? Literally, it was very weird, right, you.

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Just woke up? Wow, in a in a mental institution.

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It is scary. It was in Vegas too, and Vegas

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is already kind of nuts. Yeah, this was back in

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twenty four Try like I remember the entire first portion

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of it. I had wandered out into the street, and

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the neighbors had called the cops worried about me. The

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cops thought I was high because it's Vegas, and I

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had been oppressed quite a bit right before that happened,

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and having really strange delusions, like it was definitely a

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case of mental illness was definitely at play, because I

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do have a serious anxiety disorder, so it was partially that,

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for sure, But there was other phenomena that actually people

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around me experienced as well, so it wasn't just me

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because it's so much easier, I think, to believe that

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I just had a mental illness episode rather than oh

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my god, I was attacked and possessed by something that

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wanted to hurt me, you know. But I did experience

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when I was in the hospital, because they took me

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in an ambulance, And this whole story is detailed in

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my first book, if you're interested. But I was in

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the hospital and my mom and dad were there, and

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I woke up from being like sedated, and it took

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like three times the amount of medicine it should have

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for my size because my adrenaline was so high, and

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I saw them, But something else was also looking out

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through my eyes and talking to them. I was just

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sort of like a passenger. I couldn't exert my will

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at all. It was like being if you've ever seen

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get out, It was like being in the sunken place.

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And then three days passed and I woke up. Yeah,

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not great, honestly, anywhere wearing by books, Amazon, Barnes, and Noble.

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It's available in a couple different places.

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Okay, so so now you call yourself, well you are

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a demon folklorest. Can you walk us through what that like,

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what that means and how your background like how this

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all shaped? Yeah, your identity?

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Like yeah, absolutely, that's a good question, and what you do.

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So I had gone from my folklore degree, honestly not

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wanting to explore demonology at all. It really wasn't where

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I started. I wanted to look at fairy tales and

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horror movies and there's definitely a connection there. But then

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I wrote a paper on it and I was done

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with the subject. I was like, I did the research,

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I no longer want to do this, and yeah, so

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I just was like, Okay, what else do you know about?

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And I was like, oh, you've done a lot of

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research on demons, especially after your own experience, because that's

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what I thought it was. Because the literature, unfortunately, I think,

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is quite choppy about what demons can and can't do.

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So I was like, Okay, you know a lot about demons,

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let's look into that. And then I talked to my

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thesis advisor and the head of the department, and I

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was like, okay, so what interests you about it? Like

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what keeps your mind awake at night thinking about this?

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And for me, it was I wanted to know what

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they could do and what they couldn't do. So I

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created a classification system to organize all of this information

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by people's narratives. So when because demons are so rare,

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I felt the need to go into the literature instead

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of interviewing people because a lot of I've noticed real

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quickly that a lot of what people think of as

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demonic is actually not. It's usually something else, almost always,

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like ninety five percent of the time. But yeah, and

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that was really how I got started, and then I

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expanded it once I was done with my thesis, and

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I really didn't want to. I was quite burned out.

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I graduated during COVID and it just really messed with

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like everything I thought I was going to do. I

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had wanted to go into getting my doctorate, but I

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realized that I didn't really enjoy academia. I didn't feel

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they really valued creativity and this could be like I

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could absolutely be wrong about that, especially because of the

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way the department talks about me now. And it wasn't

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about USU. It was about like my first academic conference.

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I felt people were trying to put colds in my research,

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that they weren't trying to help me. I was a

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student and they were trying to attack me. And I

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was like, okay, like I do not like this vibe,

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Like what is wrong with you guys? But you know,

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like academia at large, maybe that's not true. I don't know.

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I left because I didn't enjoy it, and then I

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started to because the way that I define what my

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research parameters are at the moment when I am the

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demon folkorust is, narratives, experiences, phenomena, and media connected to demons.

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So yeah, awesome, So you say, what are some of

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these other things that get confused?

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We have.

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Things like gin for instance, which if I explain it,

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like humans are over here, demons are over here. Gin

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are in the middle. They seem to behave a little

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bit like humans. They fall in love, they have children,

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they live a lot longer than us, but there is

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something human about them. But they also have abilities very

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similar to demons. It is not with the same power level.

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But I would say that the demons and of course

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angels are the most powerful beings at least that I've

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come across naturally. As my research goes on, that statement

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might change, you know, but for right now, they are

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the most powerful negative entities. You know, jin get mistaken

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for them all the time, especially in popular culture because

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people are inundated with so much like demon saturated content.

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So much of paranormal TV is focused on demons because

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it ups the ante. So much of demon related horror

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movies and possession movies, antichrist movies like Haunted House movies.

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They're all different, and they're all and theme and genre,

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but they are all mistaken for the same thing by

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the public, and people think, oh my gosh, I'm having

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this possession experience. But demons are not the only thing

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that can possess you. There are other things that are

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documented that can do this. Gin can do this. Debuchim

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from Jewish folklore. You know, most people know them by

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the Dibik box, which is a hoax, but now it's

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probably more of a thought form because of so much

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energy being directed at it. But like there isn't a

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dibik like in there, but a dibic is, you know,

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a person who's sole, like a once human person that

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has been barred from heaven and hell and is forced

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to wander and they look for shelter in people's bodies.

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Gin are from Islamic folklore, and they are all across

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the Middle East, like literally from like Egypt to Zanzibar.

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Like it's pretty crazy how widespread they are. But they

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were created, according to the lore, at the same time

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as angels, angels of light, Gin of smokeless fire, in

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humans of clay. They were like a previous iteration of

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the world who now exists like in the air, and

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that their bodies likely were destroyed during the flood.

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Gotcha, so kind of along, I guess what you would

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call the Nephilim, But they're not. But they're not like

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a their own thing.

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If anything, Nephlin might even be a gin human hybrid

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because if you look at the Biblical scholarship of the

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word Nephelim or not even Nephelm. I'm sorry, I'm the

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bene Elite Elohim. I'm not. I don't speak Hebrew. Yep

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it really it doesn't mean angel. I can't remember exactly

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what it means right now, but it made me go,

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that sounds a little bit like gin.

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Yeah, just angels are just it's just the job titles.

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It doesn't describe what we're talking at all. It just

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I mean, it's for lack of a better description, I

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guess that's what we call them, right, But they're not.

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I just don't think they were angels. I think they

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were probably gin or something like it that were tasked

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with watching over humanity, and they likely fell in love

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with women and apparently taught them all sorts of things

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that they weren't supposed to know. But that's been going

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deeper into the lore. I think Nephelim, that those giants

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were a combination of whatever they were and humans. But

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their bodies were probably also washed away with the flood,

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which is, you know, a documented thing that actually did happen.

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It wasn't just a Bible story.

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So yeah, so a debic, is that what you said,

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what is what is a debic?

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So that's being from Jewish folklore that I was talking about.

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Deepol chem is just the the plural. Okay, okay, these

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are once human spirits. They are being punished, but also

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no worries feel free. But at the same time in

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their lore, they were really popular in Jewish history, right

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around a time when women did not have a voice,

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So it's positive that well, this was how women who

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were in unfortunate situations like marriages they didn't want to

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be in, were able to get out of it and

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also in a public arena get people to listen to them.

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they're this, or maybe even it's a combination of both.

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the village that people still knew, like, questioned this dipoc

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and it answered their questions accurately. So it's really hard

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to say, especially you know, like a lot of those

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records have been lost and we weren't alive back then,

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so we don't know. But I do think it's entirely

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possible that human spirits could break somebody down enough to

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get in but they seem to have some almost like

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a special designation because you don't see ghosts doing this

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like all the time.

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But yeah, how that works?

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you brought up your thesis focused on organizing demonic phenomenon.

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Could you explain to like layperson what that like in

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laypersons terms? What were some patterns?

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Or type?

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So my thesis is called in the Presence of Evil

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Demonic Perception Narratives. It is actually available online. I don't

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recommend that people read that because it is not my

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most recent work and I have made mistakes and it's

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not organized exactly the way I want. But The Black

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Hours is my most recent work, so that's and it's perfect.

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I'm not going to touch it. Yeah, it's real. When

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you're a writer, you're like, oh my god, did I

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really put that into the world. So when it comes

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to the way that I organized it, I felt that

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the best way to look at it was my sight, sounds, smell,

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and feeling, because this is how we as humans regulate

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our senses and even experience the paranormal in the first place.

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So I wanted to look at Okay, what do people

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see when they're in the presence of a demon? What

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do they hear, what do they smell, what do they feel?

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And what is most interesting to me is that feeling

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always comes first, and even if you are not a

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drop psychic, you are going to feel it because your

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body senses that this is a danger to you, that

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you need to run and you need to get away

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as fast as you can because these things are malevolent.

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They're malevolence for humans just basically like rolls off of

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them in waves. They hate us. So people feel it

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the second they walk into places that are infested, and

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it's always it comes up in every single narrative. It

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is the feeling of something is wrong, something is evil.

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But people dismiss it. They're like, it's an old house,

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and yes, I've been in a few basements that are

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totally creepy, you know, even if the rest of the

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house isn't. It's just the nature of certain places. But

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people do explain it away and try to, you know,

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put logic to it. But it is something I tell people.

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You need to listen when your body is telling you

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you need to leave, you need to listen to that.

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in they start living. Yeah, and people often don't even believe.

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I know, it's so real.

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I don't want to laugh at that, but my god,

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you know, but people.

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Do not listen to that feeling, and they don't even

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listen when all of their senses are ringing alarm bells

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until the moment that they see something. That is when

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they're like, okay, maybe this is supernatural, and that that

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is an interesting thing I've noticed. But every single demonic

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infestation comes with markers. That's what I call them. They

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are things that happen in every single demonic narrative ever,

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and that's how you can tell that it's a demon

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as opposed to something. So things like seeing a gigantic

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black shadow. Usually sometimes it's hooded, sometimes it looks like

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it's mixed with animal human parts, but you're going to

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see something eventually. Another is that feeling of evil when you,

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you know, cross the threshold of this place that's already infested,

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horrific rotting smells that get worse and worse over time.

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You know, things like that. There's a bunch of them.

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And the way that I tell a marker is because

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if you look at that section in my book, there's

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so many that it takes up pages and pages because

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it happens in every single one. So that's how I

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tell a marker from something else. And you know, it

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doesn't seem that demons have all the same powers and abilities,

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like for instance, people seem to be very concerned that, oh,

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a demon's going to possess me and then it'll go

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and kill people I love. If that were true, it

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would show up more in the narratives. People do not

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seem to actually, like, there's been like less than five

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cases ever where a person was very clearly possessed at

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the time of the murder. So I actually think it's

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certain demons that have that ability. It's not everybody, or

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they would do it more. They hate humans. Of course

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they're going to murder you if they can. But the

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real thing that demons do that their goal seems to be,

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it's not your soul. Like some people think they want

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to cause death in the person, they want their body

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to give up. They don't seem to do anything with

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the soul. It is the whole process of infestation, oppression,

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and then possession, and then the last stage is death.

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And usually getting the person probably.

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Too possibly really they want them to give up and yeah,

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seed control essentially to them, but the second the person

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like okay, in the Analisee Michelle case, for instance, I

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do not believe that that was a demon because of

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really specific phenomena. And I think Annalise and this is

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not a comment on her strength. I think she went

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through a lot, but I do think that her body,

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she gave up her will and she died because her

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body when they did an autopsy, there was nothing actually

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wrong with her physically, So it sounds like she gave

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up her will to live. And I completely get it

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because I've been in that fight, not to the level

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that she was at, thankfully, but it is really difficult

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to hold on when you're being attacked like that. And

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that poor girl, and you know, I hope she's in heaven.

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For sure for sure. So some context, what just so

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people get like, what what films like horror and let's

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say horror films because you like horror films, all right,

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do you think actually get demons right, like, either in

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terms of folklore or like the accuracy or narrative functions?

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So what there are actually or our axis is the

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most accurate film that ninety five percent accuracy. The things

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that aren't accurate are actually the idea of black masses

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being held that are widespread and like a real danger.

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That's that's satanic panic right there. And if people are

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holding black masses at all, it is not the way

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films depict it. It's not like a witch's sabbot. It's

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people who have watched too many movies who are trying

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to like in dulge their dedancy by doing sick, twisted

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things or people they're like extremist groups. Real Satanism doesn't

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actually hold with hurting other people or animals or any

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of the thing that Satanists are known for in film.

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So yeah, it's it's very it's on a small scale

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if it's happening at all.

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Yeah, I'm trying to think of what I've got this

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question my head and I can I'm trying to put

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words to it, Like, so, what's the difference between like

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a folkal or based recognition of demonic.

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Present right versus how it's usually portrayed and like paranormal

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TV shows, movies things like that, what's the what's the actual.

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It's a lot slower difference than it is portrayed, and

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it'll be like I think some movies get that right,

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Like I thought things like Insidious the First you did

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really well with like how slow the phenomena starts and

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and it built and built and built. But no film

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is going to include all of the little stuff in between,

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so you know, you can't really accurately show that process,

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but you can show yeah, you don't have time, like

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that's just not But it will get it will get

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worse if you have a demon, it will get much worse,

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and it will become deadly at one point because of

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how they always single out a person, usually the most

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psychologically vulnerable or open to possess, to take over, and

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they don't really seem to do much once they have

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possessed people, though there are you know, reports of some

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things that they have done, but it seems to be

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trying to kill the person and you know, cause strife

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and hurt within that family. But in the movies, it's

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just it's not. It's also never that fast to get

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church approval ever, like it's bureaucratic. There's a lot of paperwork.

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You have to prove it beyond a shadow of a

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doubt that this is happening in the first place, and

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that takes time. I mean, I'm not Catholic, I don't

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have any affiliations with the Catholic Church, but I know

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it does take a while, and that's why exercits have

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popped up in the last you know, thirty plus years,

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who are circumventing that because it takes too long and

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the person is in danger. So do you think there's

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an optic endemonic that is demonic fantasy? For sure? Because

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if there was an uptick, let me just say this,

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if there was an uptick in actual demonic activity, don't

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you think I'd have more to do, like more to

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look at, more cases to analyze, because I love to

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do that. When I had my podcast, Demon Folkloris, that's

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what I did a lot of the time. I just

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looked at cases and analyzed them and told people whether

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or not I thought this was a real demon. And

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if it wasn't a demon, what did I think it was.

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So it's just like, yeah, there would be so much

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more for me to do in the world. And what

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I really think is on the rise is demonic fantasy.

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And this is my term. I coined it to explain

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the weird inaccurate ideas that people pick up from media

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mainly and also para celebrities, and sometimes churches pastors watch

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the same movies as us, you know, and sometimes that

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stuff filters and trickles into their sermons and people walk away,

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Like I have seen people like pastors on the internet

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with their full chest being like, la, booboos are evil,

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and I'm like, no, they're not. They're a stuffy that

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looks a little creepy, like that's their whole thing. And

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it's just like I you can't call something demonic because

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you don't agree with it, because calling it that is

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deeply irresponsible. First of all, you're freaking people out because

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the word demonic means related to demons. It's not related

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to demons, not at all. And having these things is

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not going to cause a demonic presence. There's only a

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few ways we have identified that demons actually get in.

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But churches and some para celebrities have agendas that they

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are trying to push of ideas to curb certain behavior

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in the world. And it's not like this is mainly

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churches that does this. Because I recently read an exorcist

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book and I do have a lot of respect for

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exorcists and demonologists who are actual demonologists, not people who

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are like, oh yeah, I have a demonology degree because

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I did an online course, and I'm like, okay, but

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they often are like, oh yeah, alcohol and abusing alcohol

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and casual sex. That's how demons get in. And I

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almost threw the book across the room because I was like,

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that is not how they get in. That is a lie,

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because if that were true, don't you think there'd be

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more a lot of people do that. We're in modern times,

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Puritan times, you know. So no, that's not how demons

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get in. Demons get in through only four ways that

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I've identified, and there could be more. I'm always like

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open to looking at, you know, more possibilities. This is

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all we know so far. First is what I call,

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well we all call it this law of invitation. So

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this is when a demon is invited in and accepts

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the invitation. Because a lot of people try to invite

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demons in and nothing happens. So, you know, like it

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is more difficult than it looks. But for whatever reason,

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demons are kind of picky about who they want to infest.

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I don't know what the reasoning is, but there's that,

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and it's not through wigi boards, which I know a

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lot of people think I get that question so much,

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you have no idea, But really a wigi board is

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more like a foothold, especially if you don't close the session.

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Demons need really big doorways. And this is something that

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the public gets wrong a lot, and it is mainly

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due to Satanic panic and people like the Warrens and

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the Church saying anything outside of the church is evil,

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and because they have an agenda, they do not want

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you to talk to God or anything else without them

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being in the middle of it. And also they don't

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want you to find answers anywhere but them. And I'm

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not like a hater. Yeah, and I'm not like a

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hater against churches if you are not doing crimes, because

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some churches are and using that to cover it up.

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And it makes me sick because you know, like I

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do believe in God, and I don't like churches mainly

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because I've never found one that was doing what it

461
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:32.119
was supposed to be doing instead of you know, hurting

462
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:35.920
people and trying to say bad things. So I say, like,

463
00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:37.640
I'm not a hater of churches, but also I don't

464
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.079
like churches. I don't like how people abuse the idea

465
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.680
of a church, and I think that's evil. But that's

466
00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:45.680
a different tangent.

467
00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:54.240
Yes, I mean it's like the whole you know. I, yes,

468
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:58.680
I believe in God, but I'm not overtly religious because

469
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:01.079
I don't have a afiliation with the church.

470
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:05.960
Neither do I I don't have an affiliation specific I

471
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:09.359
forgot the other two. Sorry, the other three, I got

472
00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:12.599
way off topic. Yeah, just so that everybody knows the

473
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.640
law of attraction is another way that demons can come in.

474
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.960
And this is when you do something so twisted and

475
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:22.640
evil that's against your own humanity that it sends up

476
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.680
like a dark beacon, and sometimes a demon will answer

477
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:28.599
and want to hang out with you because you are

478
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:40.200
so disgusting, so twisted. Already, it is already living there,

479
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:43.759
and you moving in means that you actually encroached on

480
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.799
its space, so it does not have to find a

481
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:49.119
way into your life. It's already there because of you.

482
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:58.119
And then scent, Okay, I meant what was that scent?

483
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:02.480
There is a lot of law or that demons can

484
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:05.200
be bound for a certain amount of time by extremely

485
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:10.079
dark magic to be sent after somebody to hurt them,

486
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:13.640
to take from them, even to kill them. But this

487
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:17.359
is actually not very common because a lot of people

488
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.440
cannot enact this kind of magic without it sort of

489
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:23.440
like rebounding on them and killing them. Because demons don't

490
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:25.759
like you. Why would they want to be like bound

491
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:27.839
by you? Do you really think they're not going to

492
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:32.440
retaliate and it A lot of people do not have

493
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:36.000
the magical know how to be able to do this effectively.

494
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:40.039
You know, satanic panic, a lot of it use the

495
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:43.039
oh people are dabbling in the occult. I call myself

496
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:46.400
an ocultist because I study the occult, but I'm more

497
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:49.359
of a budding one. I am not at the education

498
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:54.720
level yet for me to confidently say that. But I

499
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:57.799
have studied a lot of magical practices and most of

500
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:00.720
them do not include this kind of magic. This is different.

501
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:03.799
Most magic is designed to try and help your daily life.

502
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:08.279
It's like folk healing. So you know, people who are

503
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:13.759
out here like fearing magical practices that witches are casting

504
00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:18.000
spells on them as unwitting innocent Christians. That's really not

505
00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:19.920
what they're doing. They're trying to help their own lives.

506
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:24.240
They're trying to a lot of spells are about money

507
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:28.279
and love and trying and not like casting so that

508
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:30.400
somebody falls in love with you, but to find it.

509
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:33.839
And there's there's a lot of fear around witches, and

510
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:36.279
I've found them to be the most lovely people. Same

511
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:40.480
with Satanists, same with pagans. It was a pagan who

512
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:44.000
helped me out my friend when I needed help because

513
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:46.720
I was living in a place that was spiritually weird

514
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:50.240
and it was affecting me daily. And witches are always

515
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:53.200
ready to jump in and they're not going to judge

516
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:55.200
you about how you got to this place where this

517
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:58.279
thing is in your life, when I've found, unfortunately that

518
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.000
a lot of Christians will be like, what did you

519
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:05.839
do to get this in your life? And it's very judgmental,

520
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.880
and I just I think that's very against the actual

521
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:13.199
teachings of Christ. So yeah, it's just things are really

522
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:15.239
kind of weird in the world right now, and I'm

523
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.840
doing the best that I can to try to dispel

524
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:22.920
demonic fantasy as I see it. Like Annabel. I'm sure

525
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:26.880
you've heard the buzz about Annabel, Like, there is a

526
00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:29.320
lot going on there and a lot of it's demonic fantasy,

527
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.639
and I got backlash for that when I spoke out

528
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:36.440
about it. The paranormal community at large tends to agree

529
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:42.079
with my views on annabel but the public doesn't understand

530
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:47.079
that the paranormal community is often joking when we're like,

531
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:49.559
Annabelle is going to come after you, Like it was

532
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:54.679
a joke before Dan Rivera tragically died that Oh my gosh,

533
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:57.280
she was in New Orleans. That's why that plantation burned down,

534
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:01.119
That's why all those convicts escaped. We were joking and

535
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:03.239
most of us knew that, but the public picked up

536
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:06.599
on it and loved the idea of a possessed doll,

537
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:11.400
and it got wild from there. People are like, oh

538
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:13.360
my god, she escaped, and people had to be like, no,

539
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:18.039
she didn't. She's right here, guys, Like so, I think

540
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:20.719
the public wants to believe in this sort of thing,

541
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.360
And then they come to me and are coming at

542
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:25.800
me and being like, well, where are you getting this information?

543
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:29.079
It's like from my years of research, what do you mean? Like,

544
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:31.920
do you think I'm just out here saying this? But

545
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:35.280
to be honest, when I did my TikTok video on it,

546
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.480
I didn't introduce my credentials, which next time I'll do,

547
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:40.800
but I'm also going to turn off the comments because

548
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:44.320
I'm here to educate. I'm not here to engage with

549
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:51.159
people who don't know what right, Yeah, I know you

550
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:52.360
know what I'm talking about.

551
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:57.079
I totally understand, Yes I do. So what exactly is

552
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:01.000
a demon like? Where like we don't know back what this?

553
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:02.239
What is it?

554
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:02.719
Like?

555
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:06.840
What are that? Is my honest answer, you know, like

556
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:10.840
you've got the Book of Enoch and their explanation that

557
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:13.920
it's a you know what we brought up Nephlum earlier,

558
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:18.719
the disembodied spirit of Nephlum. That's what Enoch says a

559
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:19.280
namon is.

560
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:23.880
But we don't know. But I can tell you what

561
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:26.760
I think they are based on everything that I understand

562
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:29.920
about them at this juncture. I think some of them

563
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:34.519
are fallen angels some of them. I think others of

564
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:40.800
them are lower classes of power entities that maybe joined

565
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:44.840
in the fight against God and humanity during the war.

566
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:48.559
And the war is heavily debated anyway, so it's like

567
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:50.679
I can't prove that the war happened. I'm not going

568
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:53.159
to try to prove it, but personally, yes, I do

569
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:57.559
believe that at one point, right people chose sides or

570
00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:02.400
not even people. I'm sorry, that's incorrect. Entities show sides.

571
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:05.800
So they chose sides, and there's good and there's evil,

572
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:09.840
and evil, if you really think about it, means unfriendly

573
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:14.320
to humans, malicious towards humanity. So when we say like

574
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:18.800
like a child predator, like that's evil, it is they

575
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:24.480
are fundamentally unfriendly to humanity because they're hurting some of

576
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:30.039
the innocent. Yeah, you know, so that's what I think

577
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:32.639
they are. But there seem to be different levels of

578
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:37.840
ability within demonic hierarchy because you know, it's as above

579
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:41.960
so below that's the low anyway that demons have rank

580
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.960
in hell, just like angels in Heaven have rank.

581
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:58.199
So yeah, right, there's a hierarchy for sure. All Right,

582
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:01.239
So we've talked about demons, We've talked to Gin, we've

583
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:09.719
talked about or the Dibek. Right, what other entities?

584
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:11.320
We also have? Shadow people?

585
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:12.760
Do we have out there?

586
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:15.599
We don't know what shadow people are either, but I

587
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:17.960
can tell you what I think they are based on

588
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:22.760
research that I did for the Paranormal Research Symposium in Gettysburg.

589
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:26.159
I did and that was such a cool trip. And

590
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:29.480
if any of you are living around there. It is

591
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.440
coming up again in August. I won't be there sadly

592
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:36.360
this year, but maybe next year. It is so cool.

593
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:38.599
I loved that is a pretty cool place.

594
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:41.840
Extremely haunted, but I didn't really have very many experiences

595
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:44.679
because I was more focused on like my research and

596
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:48.719
trying to like get ready for the presentation. But it

597
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:53.039
was cool anyways. So I had looked at demons versus

598
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:58.400
shadow people versus skin walkers because I wanted to see

599
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:01.360
these things that seem to be mistaken for each other.

600
00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:05.800
I wanted to see what the real differences were by

601
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:11.320
doing a classificing excuse me, classification system on each one.

602
00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:16.119
And I found that shadow people are very strange because

603
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:21.519
I cannot tell what they are from their lore, but

604
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:26.360
I think they're actually the form of the shadow person.

605
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:30.239
It comes up in every single narrative that exists in

606
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:34.400
the paranormal, including Bigfoot, UFO UAP. I know that that's

607
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:36.239
what it's called. When I was growing up, it was UFO.

608
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:41.320
In cases skin walkers, they come up in every single narrative,

609
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:45.119
including demons. I think it's an easy form for a

610
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:48.760
spirit to take on our plane because they all seem

611
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:52.159
to be in these like there's like several different types

612
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:54.960
of them, and they all seem to be there for

613
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:58.599
different reasons. So I just think it's an easy form

614
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:04.079
for them to take, but that I can't. I can

615
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:08.440
prove it, but it is difficult to know for sure.

616
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:10.599
We don't know anything for sure in the paranormal. We

617
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:14.440
just do the best we can. So we're talking about

618
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:16.840
bigger psychic abilities.

619
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:22.360
Oh yes, yes, so where so where are you in?

620
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:29.199
There is a spectrum. I yet at times they are

621
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:32.840
flesh and blood, but they also walk in the spirit realm.

622
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.440
To me, it's the only way because they're phenomena is

623
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:42.639
very very close to skin walkers. And skin walkers are

624
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:48.199
you know from the Navajo or is it Dne Yeah,

625
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:55.199
but they are people who have done extremely dark magic

626
00:40:56.360 --> 00:40:58.519
to the point where to be initiated you have to

627
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:03.079
usually kill somebody that you love to receive this horrific

628
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:07.360
gift of power, which to me sounds like a sacrifice

629
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:11.280
to a demon. Once upon a time, the legend is

630
00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:16.280
that they were they were meant to skin walker ability

631
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:20.559
was actually more like dream walker. They were somebody who

632
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:22.639
would walk between worlds. It was meant to help the

633
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:28.159
people and something seemingly came along and offered it easier,

634
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:30.639
though not easy, because yeah, you have to kill somebody

635
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:33.920
you love or do something equally messed up, and this

636
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:40.320
thing offered the power. And now skin walkers do seemingly

637
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:44.599
exists or especially around the Utah area and also a

638
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:46.400
little bit in other states too, but that's where I

639
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:50.239
mostly hear about them. But they very clearly sometimes are

640
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:53.480
flesh because they can be shot. They can be hurt

641
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:57.960
at times, and then other times they're shot and there

642
00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:01.840
is nothing like they don't even react. They still advance.

643
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:06.440
There's still a danger, and they are very malicious towards

644
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:11.039
regular people who come across them. But they were human

645
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:18.519
and are currently operating with power that is unnatural, So

646
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:22.400
they're phenomena shows that sometimes they are here and sometimes

647
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:27.840
they are not physically same thing comes up in Bigfoot.

648
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:30.119
I think sometimes they're flesh and blood and sometimes they

649
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.960
walk in spirit, so they are both. I don't know

650
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:34.719
what they are. I'm not sure we're going to come

651
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:41.400
across a real explanation, but I've also heard that they

652
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:44.639
have communities. People have come across them. Sometimes people can

653
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:49.760
even become friends with them. They leave gifts. It sounds

654
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:53.599
like in your life at pivotal moments of your life,

655
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:57.039
they have appeared. So I wonder if they're trying to

656
00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:02.480
communicate with you. But that's just a thought, you know,

657
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:09.280
Take it how you like, right, And the phenomena is strange.

658
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:17.760
They are often seen driving alien spacecraft. That's nuts. Like,

659
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:22.519
they clearly have a connection to Fay, they have a

660
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:29.000
connection to extraterrestrials. I think personally that a skinwalker ranch

661
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:38.039
is a portal field and that everybody uses it good, bad, past, present, future,

662
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:43.400
It doesn't matter. They're all using it. Yeah, there's something

663
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:49.280
about it that big Foot always seem to have this

664
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:55.119
connection to natural resources. Like in Pennsylvania there's a huge

665
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:58.880
Bigfoot flat and it's because it's the biggest quartz deposit

666
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:02.039
in the US. That's at least what's positive. Other places

667
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:05.199
it's because there's a natural water source that's very big,

668
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:08.599
or some other kind of rock, and as we know,

669
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:14.679
quarts amplifies. So I think these beings, whatever they are,

670
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:18.440
are drawn to these places and they gather in these places.

671
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:22.400
But at times they appear in our world. But they're

672
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:25.400
so big that we would have noticed if they were

673
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:29.000
living here in flesh and blood as far as like

674
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:33.000
forestation and how much they're going to need to consume

675
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:38.079
just to keep themselves alive. And so many people have

676
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:46.280
had Bigfoot experiences that the numbers are astonishing at the charts. Crazy.

677
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:50.320
Oh it's off the charts. I mean the Bigfoot, the

678
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:55.159
Bigfoot mapping project just him, I mean he pulls from

679
00:44:55.199 --> 00:45:03.800
other places, but he's got fifteen thousand documented cases of sightings.

680
00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:05.000
Isn't that nuts? Though?

681
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:08.159
That's so many and it's crazy. They're just mapped all

682
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:14.960
over and actually the place is the number one stay

683
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:18.599
right now Inania like you, like you had said for

684
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:21.519
for new sightings, and and the east.

685
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:28.719
In certain areas had interesting Bigfoot anomalies. Yeah, it's so

686
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:32.920
crazy to me. But I had this guy try to

687
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:34.880
like correct me, be like are you sure it's not

688
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:40.000
your subconscious projection. I'm like, no, there's data. What do

689
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:44.880
you what? Like, I love it as a woman researcher,

690
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:47.920
like men really trying to like flirt with me by

691
00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:51.519
correcting me. And it's like, Okay, why don't you go

692
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:54.880
look at the phenomena, dude, Like that's what I'm doing.

693
00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:56.840
So funny.

694
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:04.559
Yeah, yeah, there's so there's also a woman. Her name

695
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:08.039
is terrestrial. That's what she goes by. But she has

696
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:14.320
the Sasquatch Data Project and her information is legit. It's crazy.

697
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:18.159
It's basically it says, yes, Bigfoot exists in some form

698
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:21.639
or fashion. There's no way around that. It's just how

699
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:25.840
does that right? All flesh? No pun intended, How does

700
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:26.760
that all flesh out?

701
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:27.159
Right?

702
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:32.800
So I it's it's so interesting to me, and it's

703
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:34.840
like I've kind of taken a step back from it

704
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:38.440
because it just gets intense, and you know, I mean,

705
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:40.960
but like this weekend, I'm going to be in Tennessee

706
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:43.519
at the Great Smoking Mountain. They said, well, is it

707
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:47.079
Bigfoot Conference? Yeah, the Smoking Mountain Bigfoot Conference. So that

708
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:51.719
should be fun. But it's like, I don't get involved

709
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:57.760
with the politics, no, I you I just have everybody.

710
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:02.159
On I really that's what you're on Bigfoot. And then

711
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:07.679
I saw Tim Renner and Josh Putchen speak at in

712
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:12.760
Gettysburg at the Paranormal Research Symposium talking about Oh yes,

713
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:18.239
I had used their their Where the Footsteps End Volume

714
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:22.480
one and two in my own Bigfoot research that I

715
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:27.639
had started to try and classify them, see what patterns

716
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:31.320
emerge because the way that I do things apparently is

717
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:33.719
a little bit different in terms of data. I mean,

718
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:36.639
I didn't think it was like, you know, groundbreaking or

719
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:39.920
anything like that when I was inventing it, but apparently

720
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:41.960
not a lot of people have looked in this way.

721
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:44.960
So eventually I will and I'll map it out. But

722
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:49.079
it'll tell me things about the way that they manifest

723
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:50.159
about their behavior.

724
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:56.480
Yeah. Yeah, when you do that, I'd love it.

725
00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:58.639
It'll be everywhere. If you follow me on any of

726
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:01.880
my socials, like I, well, I will announce it one time.

727
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:09.199
Okay, good, awesome. Yeah, I just had josh on he

728
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:15.599
uh he uh so yeah, when did that episode? What's today? Wednesday? Yeah?

729
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:20.280
It actually I posted that episode yesterday is the episode.

730
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:22.760
It's just amazing wealth of knowledge.

731
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:32.840
Yeah. So going back to demon like demon type stuff, right, So,

732
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:37.639
like we live in this insane digital world, right, so

733
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.880
do you are there types of I say demons as

734
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:45.840
like a blanket statement, okay, And I say demons like

735
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:50.239
emerging in cultural and psychological sense in the digital world.

736
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:56.239
Like we talked about AI and that AI is, well,

737
00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:57.360
what are your takes.

738
00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:01.679
On I don't think they're really related at this juncture.

739
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:06.239
That could change. Demons do have knowledge of past present

740
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:10.679
in future, so they may cross over into that, but

741
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:14.920
that has actually already happened with the appearance of Zozo,

742
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:19.599
and we do words. I personally think, because I looked

743
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:23.159
into Zozo phenomena, I would listen to that episode because

744
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:26.159
I go by it like line by line and look

745
00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:29.519
into the claims about people who have reached out with

746
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:33.159
Zozo experiences that it is some type of gin yep.

747
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:37.000
And I think because the phenomena is simply not strong enough,

748
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:40.280
not powerful enough, and it is dangerous, but not dangerous

749
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:43.519
enough to be a deep And that's really how you

750
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:46.639
separate gin and demons. And there are some things that

751
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:49.920
only demons can do that GIN cannot, and it doesn't

752
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:57.280
manifest in those yeah narratives, So.

753
00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:59.719
Are gin inherently They can be good, they can.

754
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:02.679
Roll, and they can be evil. They're much like humans.

755
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:03.679
They have free will.

756
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:15.039
Okay, so right, m so, so much of what people

757
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:20.920
would ascribe to demon like possession, let's say, could actually

758
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:26.679
just be a gen possibly, right, I mean, it makes sense.

759
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:29.840
To me that it is something else no matter what.

760
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:33.480
It's like a five percent chance that it's like an

761
00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:37.519
actual demon because and people are like, oh okay, well,

762
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:40.320
if that's true, how are they getting over here? They're

763
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:42.320
from the Middle East, and it's like, how did the

764
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:45.480
fae get over here? They're probably attached to someone. What

765
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:49.119
do you mean, like we'll go over there all the time.

766
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:54.960
Yeah, I mean. And and that's an uptick because there,

767
00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:57.079
you know, it's one of those things like especially when

768
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.800
you look at I wonder if if there's a correlation

769
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.760
with Middle Eastern immigration, and I'm.

770
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:05.639
Not sure, like it's entirely possible. We don't know how

771
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:08.800
they travel exactly, but that would be my best guess.

772
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:13.159
And fairies came over with a lot of the Celtic people,

773
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:16.199
and that's why we have fairies now here. A lot

774
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:21.480
of them are probably in the mountains like Appalachia, you know, so.

775
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:27.519
Oh yeah, but you hear you hear stories about them

776
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:31.800
ament so yeah, I know.

777
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:35.800
It's a very strange, strange place, very dangerous. But also

778
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:40.039
I think in places like that there is this beautiful

779
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:45.039
chiarskiro effect where light and dark end up sort of

780
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:49.519
codexisting in the world. But it is strange. There is

781
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:52.719
high strangeness there. There are things that are dangerous and

782
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:55.199
I want to go I'm not gonna lie. I have

783
00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:58.960
family and Appalachia over in Kentucky.

784
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:04.880
You know, yep. And I mean if you get technical,

785
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:08.079
like where I do my a lot of my research

786
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:12.639
is apple Aachia. It's just in Pennsylvania, but it's the apple.

787
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:15.760
Older than bone.

788
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:20.239
And they're old. Well. And that's the funny part is

789
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:27.679
if you think about it, technically the mountains in Ireland

790
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:31.360
and in Scotland are technically the Appalachian.

791
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:37.920
Mountains separated, just Tangia. Yeah, so I'm not surprised at all. Right, So,

792
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:42.480
and we don't know how related Fay and gin are.

793
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:46.719
Maybe they are the same flavor, like the same thing,

794
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:51.679
different flavors, different zip codes, same neighborhood, different as zip code,

795
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:52.079
you know.

796
00:52:52.599 --> 00:53:00.719
Right right, Yeah, it is so was I mean, it's

797
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:02.920
just cool. It's really cool to think about that and

798
00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:05.719
do all the stuff. So yeah, that was one of

799
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:08.519
the thing that drew me to Joshua was this his

800
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:11.280
first book, what she wrote years and years ago, but.

801
00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:14.079
That oh the Trojan talked about it. It's on my

802
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:15.280
list of books to.

803
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:17.679
Read Trojan Feasts.

804
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:23.719
It's just amazing. It is amazing at the mind blown moment,

805
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:30.320
like yeah.

806
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:32.360
Yeah, yeah. So this podcast is called Broadcasting Seeds and

807
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:36.800
it's about planting seeds and folks minds, right, so they

808
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:41.920
can think outside the box, think outside our reality possibly.

809
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:48.280
So I always ask my guests to plant some seeds

810
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:52.440
in the viewer's minds to kind of part with.

811
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:55.679
See when it comes to demons, that one seed I

812
00:53:55.719 --> 00:54:00.440
want to plant is that there are more ah zessing

813
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:04.920
entities that exists in our world than just them. When

814
00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:08.280
I first went into folk Corps, I thought it was

815
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:12.840
only angels and demons, and a lot of people think so. Now.

816
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:16.360
I also believed in ghosts as well, but the other stuff,

817
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:19.719
I was like, maybe it's like a demon pretending to

818
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:23.840
be this. But now with all of the folklore, all

819
00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:27.159
of these eyewitness accounts, all of the things that are

820
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:31.039
happening to people, the high strangeness, there is more than

821
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:36.039
we understand that is in the neutral. So that's one

822
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:40.119
seed I want to too. I think that demonic fantasy

823
00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:45.559
is incredibly prevalent, and every single belief that you have

824
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:49.199
about demons currently, I encourage people to trace it back.

825
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:52.239
Where did you get? Is that a critical source? A

826
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:55.800
lot of what we think of as popular demonology. Malachi Martin,

827
00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:59.960
The Warrens, people who wrote a bunch of like demonology

828
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:03.639
books in the seventies and the eighties. They are byproducts

829
00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:07.840
of satanic panic. These are not critical sources because we

830
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:12.000
cannot prove that any of this happened. And I know

831
00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:14.800
people are very divided, not really in the paranormal. Most

832
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:19.079
people just really don't like them. The Warrens not so

833
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:23.880
much in the public, but they are not a critical

834
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:28.000
source because we cannot prove it. We don't see them

835
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:32.039
releasing like their case files to prove that these things happened.

836
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:34.920
So it's one of those things like you need to

837
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:38.679
look very critically about where you got that idea, trace

838
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:41.800
it back, force yourself to trace it back, which book,

839
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:46.000
which movie, Because a lot of very strange ideas that

840
00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:48.920
people come up to me with their full chest and

841
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:52.679
tell me with full confidence this is yeah, this is real,

842
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:57.760
And I'm like, Nope, where'd you get that? You know,

843
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:03.800
me and my deepulists and exorcist friends, we get a

844
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:08.119
lot of really weird stuff said to us and we're

845
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:13.199
just like what, Like, where did you get that? So

846
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:16.519
demonic fantasy is on the right. I don't think demons

847
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:19.119
are on the rides. I think demonic fantasies and there

848
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:22.000
seems to be a second wave of satanic panic going

849
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:26.039
on right now. So anytime you hear something is demonic,

850
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:30.039
look into the source. Look who's saying it. Do they

851
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:34.280
have an agenda? Are they trying to influence your behavior

852
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:37.119
in some way? So that's another thing.

853
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:45.639
Yeah, as far as if someone's having issues, like like

854
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:48.960
an entity, how do you like discern through that? You

855
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:51.599
know what I mean? Like like me, like, how do

856
00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:54.920
I how do I discern through figuring out?

857
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:57.400
How I deal with what I tell people is to First,

858
00:56:57.440 --> 00:56:59.199
I want you to write down every single thing that

859
00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:02.760
has happened, and you do not have to puzzle through

860
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:07.000
it yourself. There are other researchers like me who will

861
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:09.800
do that for you. So write it down, get video

862
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:14.519
evidence if you can give us the biggest picture you

863
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:17.320
possibly can, and I will look at it for you

864
00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:19.679
if you want me to. But I may not tell

865
00:57:19.719 --> 00:57:22.199
you what you want to hear. And people I do

866
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:25.159
get a lot of backlash about that and people being

867
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:27.760
rude because they're like, no, it is a demon, and

868
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:30.079
I'm like, why do you want it to be a demon?

869
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:33.519
It's not like and here is an itemized list about

870
00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:37.920
why it's not right. If you can't convince me you're not.

871
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:40.320
This isn't a demon like and I'm not the end

872
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:45.199
all be all when it comes to you know, demons,

873
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:47.519
and it is not to say that I'm not ever

874
00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:51.880
going to get things wrong, but demonic phenomena is so

875
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:56.280
clear cut it is undeniable when it's a demon that

876
00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:59.920
if it's that's just not happening past a certain point.

877
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:02.639
I'm sorry, I do not believe that that's what it is.

878
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:06.159
And yeah, people get rude, but if you reach out

879
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:09.159
to me, I may tell you an alternative theory, and

880
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:11.159
you have to be prepared that it may not be

881
00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:14.000
demonic at all. It looked into a lot of different

882
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:17.719
types of entities. I eventually want to be well rounded

883
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:22.119
and have looked at everything. But that's a lot of

884
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:24.199
research on my end.

885
00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:30.199
Yeah, for sure, it's just a matter of like, if

886
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:34.239
you've got folks that have issues and it's not a demon.

887
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:36.440
You deal with culture in its context, you know what

888
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:40.760
I mean, it was a gin, I would look people

889
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:44.039
in the Muslim community because they know the existence of

890
00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:47.199
demons and deal with it quite often. I would start there.

891
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:50.559
If it is a diboc, maybe look into Judaism. How

892
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:54.440
do they get rid of dubuquem. It's always best to

893
00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:57.239
look at it in its context, because if you come

894
00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:03.079
out of Gin with Christianity, they have the ability to

895
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:07.280
just ignore it. This is not the same rules, it's

896
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:09.719
not the same entity. They are not bound by the

897
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:16.199
same divine laws. A demon is forced to respond if

898
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:19.559
it is baide too. If you invoke the name of

899
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:22.159
God in Jesus, a gin will not. And that's why

900
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:25.440
I thought the analyst Michelle case wasn't a gin because

901
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:27.559
it did not come out when it was bade to

902
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:34.760
under holy names. Yeah, so I think they dealt with

903
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:36.920
it the wrong way, that's agreed, But they didn't know.

904
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:42.599
I mean, there's many times you see possession. I'll and

905
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:47.760
I'll do that with air quotes possession, right, and yes,

906
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:51.599
it might be possession, but I'll say demonic possession where

907
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:56.559
it just doesn't work, like the exorcism doesn't work. So

908
00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:59.039
that would kind of be if it takes weeks, I

909
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:01.840
would say, well, you're not probably dealing with the demon

910
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:04.199
you're now.

911
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:07.159
It could be a high level entity, but there will

912
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:12.920
break in that case that show you it's demonic, you know.

913
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:18.440
But yeah, that is another want if you come at

914
01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:22.679
something the wrong way out of the context of its culture,

915
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:26.119
it will not be dealt with effectively. It's like breaking

916
01:00:26.159 --> 01:00:28.599
your right leg and putting a cast on the left.

917
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:30.079
It just won't work.

918
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:39.159
Yeah, hmm, yeah. I have a friend that was possessed

919
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:43.679
by a demon and a demon in a blanket term

920
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:49.400
and he had to end up going through a sum

921
01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:56.119
a shamanic ritual resue. It's that wasn't an exorcism, but

922
01:00:56.159 --> 01:01:00.159
it was a shamanic thing and that rid him of

923
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:04.519
that entity, whereas in he had a pastor all over

924
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:10.840
it for it just never broke no, exactly, And that's

925
01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:12.400
what I'm saying. It's kind of now.

926
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:16.480
Naturally, I don't want to be I would have to

927
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:19.679
hear the entire list of phenomena, everything that happened to him,

928
01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:23.239
you know, because of course, of course, the problem I

929
01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:27.039
think with a lot of the paranormal has largely become

930
01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:29.480
quite dismissive of demons in the first place. And it's

931
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:35.639
completely understandable why they became like a buzzword and like

932
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:40.440
something people put on their videos to gain views and clicks.

933
01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:44.800
And we need to be diligent and look into things

934
01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:49.039
from all angles and then decide what it is. Because

935
01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:51.719
demons I believe to exist, but I'm not going to

936
01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:55.280
sit here and try to convince you that they exist.

937
01:01:56.199 --> 01:01:59.079
But if somebody thought they were having a demonic problem.

938
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:03.639
The purpose of my first book, The Black Hours, is

939
01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:06.239
so that you can go through it line by line

940
01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:10.360
and literally check it off like a checklist. The more

941
01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:14.199
you have, the more likely you do have a demon right.

942
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:19.679
So it was an attempt to look at demonic phenomena

943
01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:26.320
more universally, less religiously, because I don't find that at times,

944
01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:29.599
religious points of view can be a little bit limiting.

945
01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:33.440
I'm trying to look at it as widespread as humanly possible.

946
01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:38.880
At this juncture, my data might be corrupted. I could

947
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:42.320
have all sorts of mistakes that I have made, and

948
01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:45.119
I'll be the first to tell people, Hey, I messed up,

949
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:48.800
you know, because we have to look at our thoughts critically,

950
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:53.039
you know, or research whereuse It's what we do. Like. Yeah,

951
01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:55.440
and I am not the end all be all, but

952
01:02:55.639 --> 01:02:59.920
I do think that I add something to the pair

953
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:03.480
normal that is useful, and I'm just doing the best

954
01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:10.920
I can, just like everyone else. Yeah, thanks for having me, I.

955
01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:14.400
Really thank you for coming on super interesting and I

956
01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:19.559
would like you to Yeah, Sareia.

957
01:03:18.079 --> 01:03:22.159
Is under demon Folklorest. It's just all streamlines that way.

958
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:27.320
I also have done horror column writing because I like

959
01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:31.440
to analyze horror movies for Morbidly Beautiful, also under demon Folklorest.

960
01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:34.920
And yeah, like, I have all sorts of things going on,

961
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:38.079
but that's the easiest way to find me. And my

962
01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:41.679
podcast has three seasons if you're interested. I looked at

963
01:03:41.719 --> 01:03:46.199
horror movies, folklore, and demon cases because those are my

964
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:49.679
three main interests. And yeah, feel free to follow me.

965
01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:52.360
I have all of my accounts locked at the moment,

966
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:54.320
but you can request me if you want to follow

967
01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:54.920
my stuff.

968
01:03:55.000 --> 01:04:02.119
And yeah, awesome again, thanks for coming on.

969
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:07.440
And yeah, once my new book is out, I'll reach

970
01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:09.519
out and we can talk about that one.

971
01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:14.920
Absolutely for sure, for sure, let me know.

972
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:29.719
And it came to pass when men began to multiply

973
01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:32.800
on the face of your the sons of God saw

974
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:34.000
the daughters of men.

975
01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:38.079
That they were fair, and they took them wives.

976
01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:47.239
Of all which they chose, and they bore them giants.

977
01:04:46.039 --> 01:05:06.760
Giants. Yo.

978
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:10.000
I dropped versus like tablets from Sinis miss scrolls of

979
01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:13.360
Enoch encrypted in the shadow twist watching blood dripping from

980
01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:16.960
celestial fists, Nephilim stomping earth. They ain't myths, They exist

981
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:20.880
back in Genesis sists. The heavens fell hard, angels broke ranks.

982
01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:23.280
Now the veils got scars, took the daughters of man.

983
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:26.079
Now the blood lines painted, hybrid beats in the woods,

984
01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:29.159
faces unpainted. They saw a war metal root cut and

985
01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:33.039
the charms alchemy and death, and the briston arms. Isaizel

986
01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:35.880
fell found in dutch Hill's pit, but his whispers still

987
01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:38.840
echoed when the witches spin. They gave men the blade,

988
01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:41.440
the curse, the fire taught them secrets to heaven. Now

989
01:05:41.480 --> 01:05:44.119
the stars can spire. The flood came down, but the

990
01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:46.920
blood remained. Now we fight in the spirit, holy war

991
01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:47.239
on the.

992
01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:49.639
Brain, God.

993
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:10.119
For God, the spit apocalypse coas like I'm John on

994
01:06:10.239 --> 01:06:12.639
pat most I was flamed Brad with the verse that

995
01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:14.440
of slap Ghost Raphost.

996
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:17.039
Of the Seraphim Pal mccleatt, sitting on our walk through dimensions,

997
01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:20.239
where the spirit saint channel to Belice told that Jash

998
01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:24.679
too can't built cities. But the spirits flew from Mount Herman.

999
01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:27.559
They dropped in thirteen's pack, signed and blood. Now they

1000
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:31.159
horn our dreams. They tore the enchantments, signs in the skies,

1001
01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:33.599
named the constellations and porte man's lives.

1002
01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:36.239
Now we chased big Foot, nah the stag kin.

1003
01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:39.280
Of remnant left over from netfoilim sin to a man

1004
01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:43.800
in shadows, sirens and lake skin walkers prowling shrouded in face,

1005
01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:46.320
but the saint. No fairy tale of d and d quest.

1006
01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:48.480
It's a spiritual war, armored up with.

1007
01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:49.440
The blessed.

1008
01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:58.239
Against the principalities, powers, brulers of darkness, and.

1009
01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:02.280
Play ripped from watched. How I studied the scrolls, line

1010
01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:04.920
the wiscripture. Then I least up souls every game and.

1011
01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:05.519
Got a route.

1012
01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:07.079
Every lie got a name, And that.

1013
01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:09.360
Serpent still whispering, he ain't changed the game.

1014
01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:12.199
Liling in the window came in the midst but I

1015
01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:14.719
walked with the lamb, not a fang nor fast. The

1016
01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:17.320
veils torn, but the war rain't done. We in the

1017
01:07:17.360 --> 01:07:20.880
fourth watch now waiting for the sun mark of the beast,

1018
01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:24.639
digital change, coarse light prophets trying to high jack brains,

1019
01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:27.280
but were bringing out the truth. No sugar, no gloss,

1020
01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:29.440
just ruggie gospel piled to the.

1021
01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:47.599
Cross whisper to the last

1022
01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:51.960
To the west man Room, as it was in the

1023
01:07:52.079 --> 01:07:56.960
days of Noah, so shall it be in the coming

1024
01:07:57.039 --> 01:08:01.440
of the Son of Man.