May 16, 2025

Exposing the Darkness: Ward Hiney on Appalachian Lore, Deliverance, and Supernatural Warfare

Exposing the Darkness: Ward Hiney on Appalachian Lore, Deliverance, and Supernatural Warfare
Exposing the Darkness: Ward Hiney on Appalachian Lore, Deliverance, and Supernatural Warfare
The Broadcasting Seeds Podcast
Exposing the Darkness: Ward Hiney on Appalachian Lore, Deliverance, and Supernatural Warfare
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What happens when the veil between the natural and supernatural grows thin? In this powerful episode of Broadcasting Seeds, Bennett Tanton sits down with Ward Hiney—filmmaker, storyteller, and the creative mind behind Dark Holler Studios. Known for their gripping docuseries that blend Appalachian folklore, deliverance ministry, and real-world spiritual warfare, Ward takes us deep into the shadows where faith meets fear. We explore:

  • The inspiration behind Dark Holler and how Ward’s work bridges the gap between horror, healing, and holiness.
  • The very real spiritual oppression present in the Appalachian region—and why it matters now more than ever.
  • The connections between generational trauma, demonic influence, and high strangeness.
  • How film can be a tool of both revelation and redemption.
This isn’t your average paranormal podcast episode. It’s a raw, revelatory conversation about darkness, deliverance, and the hope that can be found in truth.

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All right, ward, tell us who you are and what

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you do.

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Yeah, I am a documentary filmmaker. I've been doing documentary

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related stuff for probably a little more than a decade now,

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oh more than that, Like, yeah, and the last probably

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four or five of which have been directly related to

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subjects of high strangeness in the paranormal. And yeah, that's

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what I do. I now own and operate Dark Color Studios,

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which is a production company specifically aimed at doing these

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kinds of things. So I direct we call them high

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strangeness adventure films. So we specifically take an experiential approach

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to these topics and places, go to them in an

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attempt to explain, examine, I guess more than explain, really

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examine these phenomena in the human experience that constitutes it

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for ourselves by interviewing witnesses and then being in places

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where these things happen.

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So so say that again, what do you call them now?

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Like I call them high strangeness adventure films.

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I think it's perfect.

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We make an attempt to place the audience sort of

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along with us on the trip, so they get to

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experience the thing that we're experiencing in a fairly direct way.

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That has more to do with like the aesthetics of

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the filmmaking, but it's a philosophical bent that we have

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that way. Rather than like telling stories merely or talking

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about the history of a thing heavily, we focus on

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the experience of it.

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Yeah, it sounds way cooler than documentary film. You know,

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let's be honest. I mean so high strangest adventure film.

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That's awesome. So you kind of alluded to like dark

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collar and whatnot, dark color films. But what obviously you're

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older than that, so what got you into high strangeness?

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Like what was what? What was like your gateway to

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this world of Yeah, frankly craziness sometimes.

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Right, Yeah, I can start that story, like, you know,

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years before anything actually happens.

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I could.

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You know, my father was a pretty contrarian, sort of

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conspiratorial minded guy, and I got some of that, so

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I'm already kind of probably predisposed to sort of turn

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narratives on their side and look at them in different ways.

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So that's probably like a foundational point of it. But

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I had never you know, I grew up in Christianity,

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and by the time I was maybe probably like a

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pietistic fundamentalist version of Christianity, which had fairly well made

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me close to an atheist by the time I was

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like say, twenty early twenties, and sort of the big

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thing that was a challenge to that then was the

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new atheism movement, Richard Dawkins, Chris Hitchins, Sam Harris, those guys,

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and so I found myself wrestling with that. And after

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I had kind of resolved that the apologetic that apologetic

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concern via the work of guys like Greg Bohnson and

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some evidentialist people as well, William Lane Craig and the like,

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that was what I was preparing for. That's what I

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thought sort of the big challenge to Christianity would be

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was that kind of stuff. And so I dove into

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apologetic arguments a lot. As it turns out, when you

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deny like transcendental meaning altogether, that's not very satisfying for

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very long for very many people. And so what's happened

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is that the you know, our society in general has

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been abandoning that in favor of finding transcendental meaning other places.

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And so spirituality in general quote unquote is where a

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lot of that's coming from. So that's kind of answering

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that question from a you know, the historic moment that

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I find myself in kind of angle. The other angle is,

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you know, personally what happened. So COVID happened to everybody,

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and it was a big, I think, red pill for

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everybody to kind of like looked at the narratives that

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you are being, the narratives that are handed to you

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and be like not sure. So in the middle of COVID,

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I had some friends that went real crazy on the

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conspiracy side. I had, you know, a gamut of friends

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that spanned the ideological spectrum with respect to like what

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are the how much can we trust mainstream narratives of anything?

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And at the same time I had run into Tom O'Neil,

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who was the author of I can't remember the name

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of the book, but it's a book about MK Ultra

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the CIA and they're involvement with the Manson family. Charles

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Manson very well researched sticks to documentable things, but it

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basically makes the case that Manson was connected with some

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of the mk Ultra stuff. That was one block. The

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second was I ran into a gentleman named ray b

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O'Shea who had a very strange story. He was the

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state director for Muffon, Nebraska in I believe like the

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late eighties early nineties, and was approached by some Department

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of Defense people, according to him, who presented him with

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evidence in this Their contention was that there were elements

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within intelligence agencies that were using ritual to contact entities

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that were identifying themselves as the pilots of the UFOs.

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and Anglican priest and the reason they came to him

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was because he was both involved in the UFO subject

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at a high level and had this religious background as

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an Anglican priest. And it gets the story gets pretty convoluted.

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Nick Redfern wrote a book about it. But Bouchet contacted

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another like probably the most respected UFO journalist at the time,

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Linda Moulton Howe, who confirmed via third parties that something

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like this story was true, And so that was at

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least there were people in government outside of the people

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that were feeding Bouchet this information that believed it to

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be true. So that was kind of the second thing

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was like, oh, hold up, what is going on with

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the UFO thing? And oh, this is actually real? What

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should I think about it?

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Like the O'Neil book is Chaos, Yes, that's it. Yeah,

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I've read it too, but I couldn't remember it. I

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couldn't remember it.

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So yeah, the subtitle is very straightforward. It's just like

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ciamk Ultra and Charles Charles the title. Okay, So then

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the third thing, and this is probably the most you know,

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you can see the direction here. The third thing I

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ran into was this paranormal documentary series called.

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Hellier, Kentucky. Yeah, I've watched it.

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Yeah, it's a very popular It was a big deal

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in the paranormal community, and it caught my interest because

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the events, at least as they begin, occur very close

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to southern West Virginia, where I grew up is maybe

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an hour from Hellier, maybe a little more than that,

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depending on the roads have developed in the intervening years.

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But anyway, it's it's close.

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Enough that as the crow flies, it's not really that far. Yeah.

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And I knew I had a friend who'd I had

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known for many years who had planted a church down there,

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and after watching the Hellier series, I reached out to

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him and I said, Yo, you know, this is like

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kind of in your backyard our view ever encountered anything weird.

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And he said that.

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He's very very academic guy himself, a photographic memory, very intelligent,

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well read, not a not sort of a charismatic Christian,

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not sort of a like hit you on the head

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handle the snake's guy.

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That's not him, right.

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That he had said, Well, strangely enough, a few weeks ago,

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we had this situation where I had baptized this girl

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and I believe that in exorcism occurred in her baptism.

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And at the time I had gotten this is the

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this is dark holler, this is what becomes dark collar

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kind of the impetus for everything else. At the time,

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I had just gotten my own kind of freelance set

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up to do my own documentary work outside of my

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main corporate job. And so I thought, well, I'll go

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down and interview this girl who was at that point,

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like you know, joining the church, and just hear the

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story from her, and maybe interview Josh and then some

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of the people that witnessed it and see what's it

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was just going to make like a short YouTube thing,

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maybe for the church or maybe just to practice. And

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during the interview it turns out that there was a

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lot more history and a lot of stuff that happened

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leading up to this that was really obvious. And then

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as the we shot that one interview and then came

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back a month or two later and ended up like

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just making a bunch of really strange but to me

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as a person going through it into the people that

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were there, kind of undeniable connections and just weird synchronicities

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that we were able to document, and so that kind

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of you know, had to decide what to do with

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all of that, turned turned it into like a five

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chapter docu series. And after that, for I mean, that

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was a long process. You know, it's a year of

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editing maybe, yeah, and then afterward, you know, I myself

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belonged to a faith tradition that is typically not super

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open to this kind of weird stuff, like at least

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in its modern form, and so I was concerned that

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I would be perceived as some kind of wacko talking

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about these things belonging to like the faith community that

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I do.

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But as.

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God would have it, he had put me in like

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the one one of very few I would imagine congregations

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in my faith tradition that is apparently quite open to

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the reality of these things, and so I was able

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to have the support for that, and even over several

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months of practicing Lexio divina, it's like meditative reading of

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scripture and that kind of thing, came to the conclusion

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that I might be called to pursue this kind of thing.

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And I brought that idea, which, in again within my

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faith tradition is a crazy thing, like I'm a Reformed

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Protestant Presbyterian, Like, we don't do that kind of stuff generally.

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So I was like, well, let me bring this to

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a couple of trusted, you know, advisors, my elders there,

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and I was like, surely they'll shoot it down and

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say you better find something better to do with your time.

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But both of them that I brought this to, we're

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both like, well, that sounds like what you're supposed to do,

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so you should do that. And then the evening I

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remember the evening after having that second conversation, I was

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in prayer and I basically accept I was like, Okay, God,

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if this is what we're so what I'm supposed to do,

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you know, we'll do this until Bill, You're done, You're

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done with me doing it? And that night, all three

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of my children and myself had nightmares directly relating to

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the symbolism around the entity that we identified in Dark

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Collar and without me, I have not told my kids

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any of this at that point, right, So independently all

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of us had that experience, and at that point I

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was like, well, okay, so I think we're taking fire

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because we're over target. So that's kind of what's led

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to the rest of these films that I've done, many

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in in cooperation with Tony Merkle of The Confessionals and

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Joel Thomas of Free the Rabbits podcast. Those guys have

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become good friends, like minded guys in pursuing these things,

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and so yeah, that's kind of the cast of characters

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that we draw from as we woses.

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Right much is awesome. I mean, they do great work,

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right yeah.

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I Mean Tony's a really interesting one because he has

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what like seven hundred some episodes now of people that

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have experiences, and so you know, he can't remember all

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those stories in detail, but he's got a pretty good

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sense of like the general direction of the data on

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stuff that people are reporting. And it's not like, you know,

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unlike Bfroro, for Bigfoot or move on for UFOs or

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there's not really like a a high strangeness version of

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that where people collect a database of all these stories

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so that you can identify patterns and stuff. So guys

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like Tony or westermers sasquatch chronicles. Like if you look

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at the breadth of people that they've talked to, that's

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kind of that kind of is your data set and

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understanding that you know, not all of those people were

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probably genuine, but probably I think that after listening to

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a lot of them, a lot of them are. They're

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at least describing their perceptions as they experienced them.

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So yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I'm sure he's got

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a pretty good BS meter. Yeah, at this point, it's

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a muscle that gets developed pretty quickly. I know when

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I was a cop, I helped that, you know, when

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I would get to a point where I could pretty

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much tell, uh, you know, what's real what's not. Yeah,

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it's body language and just gut right.

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So.

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So explain So, yeah, you kind of touched on it

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with Dark Collar. How that whole thing evolved like from

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the the you know, initially two interviews then I mean

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a rabbit hole. Yeah, if that's what we want to

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call it, some sort of hole.

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Yeah. Well, the the way that I experienced it is

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in talking with Kristin, who was the girl who baptized.

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She related that her mother had experienced a lot of

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stuff leading up to the baptism, and that Kristen's memory

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of it is largely blacked out, like she was either

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out of her body or doesn't remember any of it,

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but her mother does. And so I thought we got

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to come back and talk to the mom. When we

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did that, well, when we initially came back that second

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trip that was going to be the long one where

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we were going to interview her mom, a friend that

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had witnessed it, as many people as we could that

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were there we were going to try and interview. When

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we first arrived, we were in Cross Lanes, West Virginia,

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which is a town that my wife grew up in

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that we had spent you know, a lot of time

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in growing up. And something that we had never seen

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there when we first got down on Sunday was this

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giant cloud of vultures that descended over the town and

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stayed there through the week that we were there. And yeah,

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I had never seen anything like that, and you know,

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I'd lived there a long time. Neither had Kayla, my wife.

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Neither had a bunch of people, like there were people

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standing outside of the Kroger there and Lane staring up

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at it. People in neighborhoods. Yeah, and I drove around

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and asked some of them, you know, have you ever

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seen anything like this? And you know, so, okay, after

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a few days, I actually took a drone up and

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flew it kind of toward the cloud of vultures that

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was still like circling, and one of the remember one

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of the vultures took like kind of a dive at it,

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and I was like, oh, gotta gotta bring them drone down.

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But yeah, so that was kind of the first hint

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to me that like, there's something possibly different gonna happen

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this week. But when I we finally got to talk

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to her mom and she described everything that Christen had

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gone through in the night or two leading up to

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her baptism. There was a lot there, But more striking

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than that was some of the stuff that started to

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come up about her family history, things that had happened

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to her mother when she was a child.

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That had like.

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Unplanned and odd resonance with things that Kristen was involved with.

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So there's myriad examples of.

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This, but.

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One of them is that there was her mother recalls,

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and forgive me, this is like five years ago now,

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recall off my head, but her mother recalls that there

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was her brother was named Craig, one of her brothers,

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and that Craig and this other brother whose name is

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scape Sty at the moment, but they had been involved

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in practicing something some form of witchcraft that involved a

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table and pentagram and candles and crow bird feet and

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tarot cards and also bizarrely like Jehovah's witness material like

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stuff from a watchtower crowds. So yeah, but I never

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did connect, like figure out what that part was about.

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But anyway, lots of those elements later showed up in

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Kristen's practice. She had been practicing uh sort of hedge

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witchcraft who do for some time before being before being baptized, obviously,

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she had been practicing uh this stuff for some time

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in an attempt to deal with the fact that from

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as early as she can remember, there were this dark

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figure or like a shadow entity that she would see

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all the time and kind of in an attempt to

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gain control over that, she started pursuing witchcraft of a

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few different sorts. As a result of that, as well

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as sort of combined with substance abuse, she found that

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there were be episodes where she was sort of out

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of her body, that she would lose control of herself,

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and that people would report to her that she would

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become like violent and hateful and angry, and she wouldn't

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remember any of this. People reported her speaking in a

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voice that isn't hers. That kind of thing stuff that

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you associate with what we call, you know, demon possession.

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Now so as parts of the elements of her practice

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were echoed in things that her mother described Craig and

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these people doing. The person who her mother perceived having

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introduced this to Craig and his brother was a I

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think the technically accurate term was transvestite at the time,

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person whose name was Gerald, but who it turns out,

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wanted to be called Lilith. Lilith was one of basically

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the primary kind of archetype that Kristen was involved in

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worshiping without knowing this about her uncle Craig at all.

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And then it turns out that the sort of the

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one of the motifs that's associated with this little etharchetype

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is the owl. Yeah, and it you know, we as

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the wheat goes on, we start discovering that, like the

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entire extended family, all of them that we can talk to,

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have really bizarre interactions with owls over the course of

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their lives. Also with like what we'd call a thunderbird

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or like birds too large to be biologically plausible, that

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they hadn't talked about. They hadn't discussed this among themselves.

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But once we touch on this theme of like the

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owl and the carrion eating bird that starts resonating it crows, like,

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everyone's like, oh wait this one time I have this,

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and you know, and even like while we're down there,

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one of the cousins has a strange experience with an

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owl kind of staring him down as he's sitting in

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a tree. Stand sends us.

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The video and.

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Yeah, so there's I mean, I can't even recall. It's

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a it's a storm of things like that. And then

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toward the end of the week, we actually went back

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to the childhood home where some of this happened and

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just tried to knock on the door and they let

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us in and once we explained what we were doing,

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it was like there was this flood of experiences that

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these people had had in this home that matched the

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experiences that Kristen's mother was describing from thirty years prior.

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And they had never, I mean never talked to each

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other or anything, things like you know, voices from the

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same area. There were certain ways that Craig, the uncle

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who was involved with the ritual stuff, had arranged the house,

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had arranged the room and stuff that had been recreated

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by the people who were moved in. So he had

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this array of dream catchers all around the room. And

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these people when they moved in, had found like all

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of these dream catchers in a closet. I don't know

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if they were the same ones, but they had then

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gone and arranged them around the room in the same

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way that Craig did without direction. There were three windows

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that Craig had blacked out in the house that these

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folks had then gone back and blacked out those windows.

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The Kristen's mother, her name was Heather is Heather. Her

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father had been pushed down the stairs in this house

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by something. He said. The guy who lived there had

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been pushed down those stairs.

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Yeah, I remember that.

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Crazy had the scars and the holes in the wall

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to show. Yeah, and then beyond that, the kind of well,

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there's a number of things that I still look back at,

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because sometimes when you experience stuff like this, and I

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don't know if you've have your own experiences, but your

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mind very tries to rationalize. Oh yeah, like there's still

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some like bedrock things that I look back on that

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experience and I'm like, that really was weird, and there's

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no way for me to like deny that it really

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was good. That house is one of them. There was

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also an right at the end of the trip, we're

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getting ready to leave. It's really difficult to explain it,

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so you'd just watch the thing. But at the end

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of it, there was like a spontaneous flooding of a

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house by water that we couldn't identify a source for.

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That was really bizarre.

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Yeah, to say the least, it was really bizarre.

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I don't have an explanation for that other than and

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I don't think they do either. No, No, so yeah,

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I don't know. It's I'm struggling to condense, like.

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Yeah, no, it's it's a lot. And plus you know

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what folks just go watch it.

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Yeah, you know, they.

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Don't need word here to explain the whole thing. Go

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watch it. It's pretty amazing. So what it did for

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me though, and I'm trying to remember exactly when I

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watched it, how many years ago?

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Uh?

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It was a while ago though, and I was having

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it really kind of helped me understand what was going

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on with me. I think at the time where I

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had some I had kind of been plagued by this. Uh.

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And I'm not going to make this about me, but

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just a little bit because of the Lilith stuff. It

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cracked open a box in my head or a can

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of worms, whatever you want to call it, that I'd

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been struggling with for a while, and because I had

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nightmares that involved this the lack. The best way to

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describe it literally is the Ring. You know that the

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girl from the Ring, And that's a lot of what

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it presented that way, right, And also lots of owls

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and I didn't really understand the owl until I watched

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Dark Collar so shortly thereafter that too. I also saw

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an episode of The Confessionals with the guys from Appalachian Intelligence, Yes,

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and he talked about his experience with a Lilith type entity,

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and I, yeah, it it was like I had an

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epiphany and as soon as I had that epiphany and

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what was happening to me, it manifested into real like

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owls hooting in my backyard and stuff like that. Like that,

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I was confronted in my dreams and in waking hours,

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even in the middle of the day. Owls don't really

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play around during the day, you know, So there's either way.

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And so I just had this whole experience and so

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part part of Dark Collar really opened my eyes to

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what this could be, right, and then it was just

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solidified with other things. So, yeah, that's cool.

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Yeah, I I've heard that from a number of people

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that it provides category for experience that they've found.

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So when I realized there were some things in our

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house too that were associative with that the entity or

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that that uh you know, like the moon, the half

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moons and just certain certain symbolism, right that swiftly got

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removed from the home. And then literally after one of

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my incidents, my wife comes home with a gift from

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a friend that was the moon phase, the moon phases,

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and I'm like, no, it's not coming in this house. Sorry, yeah,

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but it was just kind of like the last and

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since then I consistently pray on it and to diveil

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for protection and and all the things. Right, but I

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did a whole you know, cleansing prayer. I would call

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it a you know, sermon basically to to help rid

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myself of this and then doing other things, I mean,

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you know, all in a biblical sense or you know,

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asking Jesus for assistance and all the folks, and and

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I haven't had incidents since, but it was it was

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a lot, you know. So with that being said, yeah,

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you kind of had a part in that. At least

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your film did right.

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Well, yeah, good.

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I think.

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We just as a family went through. I'm preparing to

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go on another one of these trips here in a

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couple of weeks, and it's going to be pretty direct

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provocation in a way that we probably haven't done since

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Dark Hollar. And there's been a lot of like a

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lot of nightmares, a lot of that kind of stuff.

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Not because we're talking about it, like I don't, you know,

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talk about that. The enemy knows, man, yeah, and they

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just know. So yeah, we just went through and did

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house blessing. Just reading psalms and prayer and marking the

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doorways and stuff. Yeah, for the first time as a family,

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and I think, you know, it has helped. And you know,

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I think there are reasons that you know, God permits

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these things, permits these experiences in our lives, and the

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the point of it, I think is to drive us

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to be dependent on Him. And so that's, uh, you know,

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we've been leaning into that in a very direct way.

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So yeah, there is for sure an enemy, and for

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sure that's what we're pushing.

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It is right now. I go through a lot of

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anointing oil. Me put it that way in a non

466
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:27.159
uh as Tony would say, as your friend Tony would say,

467
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:31.360
my house is dripping in oil. And then he says, no, daddy,

468
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:35.639
So he said the other day, I was like, come on,

469
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:44.159
but yeah, dripping an oil. So oh you're glitching. See

470
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:47.079
we're talking about stuff and stuff's happening.

471
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:53.559
All right, are you back? You dropped again? Mm hmm,

472
00:35:59.360 --> 00:35:59.760
there we go.

473
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:14.320
Mm hmm. Yeah, we're experiencing technical difficulties there, am I

474
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:33.280
what is going on? Mhmm, there we go. Let's see,

475
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:38.760
just as you start talking about stuff and it's inevitable.

476
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:44.519
The other day. I don't get it, and I'm trying

477
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:46.280
to remember who I was doing. And it's happened a

478
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:50.639
few times. Uh, Like things will just flutter on the

479
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:53.000
screen like you know, like on your phone if you

480
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:55.679
send it like what the iPhone, if you send happy

481
00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:59.719
birthday to somebody, balloons will go like that, right, But

482
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.519
it's on my phone. I've never had it happen on

483
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:06.719
the computer until the other day and balloons like went up.

484
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:11.119
And I've had other stuff happen in my and it

485
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:13.320
recorded it. Yeah, are you to be se bizarre?

486
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:14.239
Are you an apple?

487
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:15.480
I am?

488
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:18.039
I am. I think there's a thing.

489
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:22.480
There probably is, but like why I don't either way.

490
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:26.719
But it's always when we're talking about certain things and yeah,

491
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:27.519
see there's like the.

492
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:31.559
Yeah I did that, right, It's not like a someone

493
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:35.400
Yeah no, yeah, I.

494
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:39.039
Don't know either way. So we were saying. I was saying, I,

495
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:41.559
you know, I use a lot of anointing oil.

496
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:47.159
Yeah, yeah, and we did for the Again that's not

497
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:52.639
a reformed thing, but right we did. I've come to

498
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:56.280
understand that, and I mean a lot of this progression

499
00:37:56.320 --> 00:38:01.920
over the last five years is coming to understand. We

500
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:06.400
tend to divide like a spiritual realm in the physical

501
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:11.760
realm as if they're divorced things. Yeah, they're just yeah,

502
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:13.480
and I think a lot of like the point of

503
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:18.440
sacraments and stuff is that spiritual participates in physical and

504
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:28.000
vice versa. And so yeah, we used oil as as

505
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:31.320
a sort of enacted prayer, like a way of physically praying,

506
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:35.880
appreciating that the symbolism of it is that it's liquid

507
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:41.440
light or liquid fire and you're enacting a prayer physically

508
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:48.000
for the spirit to dwell here. Yeah, So anyway, it's

509
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:52.960
I think there's there is a danger in uh, sort

510
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:56.639
of a superstition application, superstitious application of that stuff where

511
00:38:56.679 --> 00:39:01.199
it's like there's some innate power in the thing, right,

512
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:04.400
And of course that's not you know, that's magic. But

513
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:07.400
the power doesn't reside in the thing, nor does the

514
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.400
power reside in my will or my desire for it

515
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:14.599
or my intention for it. Is the power is God's,

516
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:18.400
and so we're dependent on a personal agent, God to

517
00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:19.559
decide what he wants to do.

518
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:21.639
So yeah, I kind of look at it as a

519
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:27.519
physical representation of you know, what we're doing, right, just

520
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.360
like a cross is, So if I make a cross

521
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:35.239
with the oil, it's it serves the same purpose. You know,

522
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:38.400
it's not going to actually protect you. It's not like

523
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:41.800
you know the movies where you're holding across and throwing

524
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:44.519
holy water on something whatever. You know, it's not the

525
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:48.480
actual symbol, but it's what is behind that symbol, right,

526
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:56.159
So yeah, for sure absolutely? So what all right, So

527
00:39:56.320 --> 00:40:00.079
you've got you've done some stuff with Mercle Media. What

528
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:01.960
o their movies? Have you filmed with them?

529
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:07.360
So the first time I met Tony by calling him,

530
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:10.559
I had sent him the trailer for Dark Collar and

531
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:13.760
maybe even an episode of it, and I had called

532
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.519
him because I wanted to go on the show and

533
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:22.440
you know, promote the the show. Yeah, and he called

534
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:25.920
me and we ended up talking for like four hours

535
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:32.480
about about all of this stuff and ended up clicking

536
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:37.119
really well, like the things that we were trying to

537
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.119
accomplish or are well met.

538
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:40.119
And so.

539
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:44.960
As part of that, he was like, you know, he

540
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:49.280
wanted to have me on promote the thing, and he

541
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:51.960
was like, Hey, I'm going to Kentucky in like a

542
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:54.920
month to hunt dog Man. Do you want to do that?

543
00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:59.559
And I was like, well yes. I was like, I

544
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:02.519
can just to fy this by saying it's kind of

545
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:04.559
like it in exchange, you know, let me come on

546
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.320
the show and I'll go shoot for you. But also

547
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:13.400
like at that point, I was like, you know, that's

548
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:15.840
one step weirder than what I was doing, and so

549
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:20.559
I was like, well, okay, yeah, let's go. So we

550
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:23.719
went down, we did that, and that again was going

551
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:27.320
to be like a piece for his YouTube channel, and

552
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:31.639
it ended up he and we were able to shoot

553
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:36.119
some stuff. Christian was the other guy that was on that.

554
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.440
Roper Goodness, his last name escaped me. Christian Roper was

555
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:42.199
the other filmmaker who was on that and ended up

556
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:46.400
editing that together into like a feature thing. And there

557
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:50.760
were maybe three total, like genuinely weird things that happened there.

558
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:54.480
There was a couple of prints that we found weird,

559
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.400
and then there was just a tree that like violently

560
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:02.679
shook out of nowhere, but being green at it, we

561
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:09.800
didn't catch that. And so you know, that one, it

562
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:14.159
is what it is. It's an interesting starting point, I guess.

563
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:19.639
But from there, when that one turned out as well

564
00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:21.599
produced as it was, I think Tony has kind of

565
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:23.920
taken aback at what we were able to make out

566
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:26.119
of just zero budget. Staying in account.

567
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:29.480
Yeah, right, like walking around the phones. Yeah, I mean

568
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:31.920
not phones for say, but you know what I mean.

569
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:36.559
Yeah. So after that, the next one, he had an

570
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:41.800
invitation from Ryan Burns of Space Wolf Research, which is

571
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:46.119
a property that borders the infamous Sherman Ranch Skinwalker Ranch

572
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:51.440
fame and sort of overlooks the valley that the ranch

573
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:53.719
is in and then the mesa beyond the kind of

574
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:59.239
famous mesa where everything happens. We decided, like, you know,

575
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:01.880
that's a thirty our drive, but we're gonna load up

576
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:06.639
everything and go do a week at Space Wolf. And

577
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:15.119
that one, uh did get real weird. We found next

578
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:20.000
to where we camped, we found an altar that was

579
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:24.679
identified to us by the guy who's kind of the

580
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:30.519
the indigenous guide contact that Ryan works with there at

581
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:35.360
Space Wolf Research, a guy named Johnny was I identified

582
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:45.000
that altar as an implement in Skinwalker medicine. So that

583
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:47.239
was bizarre. It was maybe one hundred and fifty yards

584
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:50.960
from our campsite, and when Tony and I discovered it,

585
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:54.760
we both like, we're looking at it. It's a It's

586
00:43:54.800 --> 00:44:01.000
a circle made of deer bones and skulls and crystals

587
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:05.599
and coins and an offering of tobacco and the skulls

588
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:09.719
are arranged on like the cardinal directions, and it's very

589
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:15.199
intentional obviously, And when Tony and I found it, we

590
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:18.639
were like a little bit creeped out. It was like dusk,

591
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:21.800
the sun was setting, and we started on our way

592
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:26.400
back up to the campfire, and both felt as if

593
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:29.039
we were being watched, like that feeling of of something

594
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:31.880
observing you. And I remember stopping on the way back

595
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:37.920
up and we prayed about it. And then as we

596
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:45.199
approached the campfire, there was there's another younger guy ute

597
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:49.599
tribal member named Bo Standing Rock who is a musician.

598
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:55.000
Is music's legit good? But yeah, Bo Standing Rock was

599
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:58.519
sitting with us at the campfire and as we approached.

600
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:01.039
You know, he's had a lot of weird experiences in

601
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:05.199
his life, like a lot of them involving this kind

602
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:11.639
of skinwalker archetype yea. And anyway, as we walked up

603
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:13.079
to the fire, he turns and looks at us and

604
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:17.719
he goes, you're being watched, like you're being followed. And

605
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:19.440
so they're like, oh, that's weird that you say that.

606
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:23.239
And then we started showing like I think I had

607
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:25.440
taken a picture on my phone of the altar when

608
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:28.079
we were down there, and we started showing the picture

609
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:33.599
around the campfire, and we're passing it around, everyone's reacting,

610
00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:37.079
and at about the point when the last person at

611
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:42.239
the campfire sees the picture, another guy off to my left,

612
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:47.000
I think Christian actually turns around and sees that the Mesa,

613
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:52.719
the infamous Skinwalker Ranch Mesa, is shooting lights into the sky,

614
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:55.400
like as if somebody's got a really high powered spotlight

615
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:56.639
shooting up into the sky.

616
00:45:58.320 --> 00:45:59.840
And then for.

617
00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:04.239
About the next hour, I would say, we started observing

618
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:11.559
like I guess UFO orbs like lights down in the valley,

619
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:16.239
and then a little bit after that overhead, moving in

620
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:23.280
different directions back and forth, different sizes, different colors. Even

621
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:25.920
the ones that are down closer to the earth were

622
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:30.880
several different colors, red, green, and blue. And we were

623
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:33.000
able to catch some of that on like night vision cameras.

624
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.440
And yeah, that was like our first night there.

625
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.360
And you're like, this is gonna be a long wait.

626
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:47.239
Yeah, like this got real weird, real fast. I think

627
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:50.239
at some point, I mean, you can you know, you

628
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:51.280
guys can watch the.

629
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:53.280
The movie.

630
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:57.480
But some of the stuff that happened that didn't get recorded.

631
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:01.960
One night I woke up, so that before we got there,

632
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:06.239
maybe a week before, there was a shipping container, like

633
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:11.280
the larger size shipping container that had been arranged it

634
00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:16.920
would be like east west orientation, and it had at

635
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:24.400
some point rotated like ninety degrees where it almost came

636
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:26.760
into contact with another building, like a shed that was

637
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:30.599
right there. But it had rotated ninety degrees and been

638
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:36.880
sat down again without any cranes or earth moving equipment

639
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.920
or trucks. There were no tracks in that would indicate

640
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:46.880
any of that, and the the property manager guy, the

641
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:51.159
guy who stays there year round, hadn't like no evidence

642
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:56.519
of anything coming in. And one thing that didn't make

643
00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:01.639
a movie is in the place where where that shipping

644
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:06.960
container had been, there was like in the middle of

645
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:10.360
it there was like a wolverine Paul, which is a

646
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:14.639
super rare animal and a weird thing to be If

647
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:17.480
you had a wolverine Paul, like a preserved one, I

648
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:21.679
don't know why you would leave it there. But anyway,

649
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:27.159
we found that we had set up our tent immediately

650
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:30.800
behind the shipping container, hoping that it didn't rotate again,

651
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:33.559
I guess. But also it was a windbreak so that

652
00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:37.119
the tin didn't blow away. Yea, And I remember one

653
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:41.320
night I had woken up and you could see through

654
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:44.800
like the tent was translucent, so you'd kind of see

655
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:47.559
like light through it, and something like the size of

656
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:50.159
a basketball. I didn't have my glasses or contacts and

657
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.719
at the time, so it was just glorry, but something

658
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:57.519
like the size of a basketball. Just white light passed

659
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:02.079
like right over fairly quick, like over the roof of

660
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:04.760
the tent, and I scrambled up like glasses on and

661
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:11.159
then like got out and and nothing. So there were

662
00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:16.599
a few things like that. We saw, like I saw

663
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:20.760
what looked to me like like red fireflies in the

664
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:26.639
tree lines. I'm not sure what that was about. And

665
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:30.639
then toward the end of it, Uh, we got followed

666
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:36.639
like in a vehicle by another vehicle and there was

667
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:40.320
a there's a car chase, and you know, it got weird.

668
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:41.679
We were trying to figure out who it was or

669
00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:46.440
what it was about. And yeah, I don't know, there's

670
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:52.840
several weird things with that one. So yeah, then we

671
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.880
did that, and then uh, we were able to go

672
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:00.159
the next project. We were able to go out to

673
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:05.559
Washington and visit Yeah, West Germer and the site where

674
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:09.159
he had his fairly famous encounter. He's the host of

675
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:15.039
Sasquatch Chronicles, pretty big Sasquatch probably the biggest, I guess maybe.

676
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:18.920
Yeah, it's it's definitely one of the biggest.

677
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:22.119
Yeah, it's up there anyway. But we went to where

678
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.119
he had his experience. You know, he and Tony are

679
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:30.159
best friends, having friends for years. And we stayed the

680
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:31.039
night up there.

681
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:36.760
And yell, are brave because West won't even Yeah, last,

682
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:38.159
don't even go up there anymore.

683
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:45.800
Yeah, but heard like a lot of strange We heard whistles,

684
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:47.679
like someone whistling for a dog, and I mean, we're

685
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:49.519
out in the middle of nowhere, not there's no one

686
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:54.119
walking a dog up there. At three am, and we

687
00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:58.159
had something knock on the the r V that we

688
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:01.800
were using, stepped out and there was nothing, and.

689
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:02.840
That's actually on film.

690
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:07.519
We caught the audio of that. Yeah, we also I

691
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:11.320
think we caught a whistle audio a couple of times

692
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:15.079
up there. The knock, and then when we stepped out

693
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:22.000
after the knocking, it smelled like the I started hunting

694
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:23.760
deer a few years ago, and the only thing I

695
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:25.880
can liken it too, is like a very very strong,

696
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:32.599
uh running buck smell. Yeah, so mixed with maybe like

697
00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:37.519
ro or rotten meat, Yeah, like a little d comp Yeah,

698
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:46.719
so yeah, I know the smell. Yeah. So, and those

699
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:49.880
are all of the kind of the films that have

700
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:55.000
come out. You know, we've averaged maybe like a couple

701
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:59.000
of year, I think, so usually we try and get

702
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.280
a trip in every six months or so.

703
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:06.159
So yeah, awesome. Yeah, and all three of them are

704
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:12.440
great things. Yeah, I'm a fan. We've said, we have

705
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:14.559
some other.

706
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:16.519
Things.

707
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:22.320
One of the strangest Yeah, one of the strangest experiences

708
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:24.360
that we've had going out and doing these things isn't

709
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:27.440
in one yet because we're going back in the fall,

710
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:32.719
but there was a night we were out. Are you

711
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:34.000
familiar with Scott Carpenter.

712
00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:40.320
Yeah. Absolutely. It's like i'd say, as sasquat researchers go,

713
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:42.079
he's one of my idols.

714
00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:44.880
I guess you could say, Okay, yeah, cool. Well, we

715
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:48.800
actually we try to attribute this every time we use it,

716
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:57.079
but we after Washington, we started using his method for

717
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:01.440
mounting a gimbal mounted GoPro fasing behind facing backwards.

718
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:05.199
Yeah, we do something similar too because of him.

719
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:10.239
Yeah, and we call it the Carpenter method, as hopefully

720
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:15.079
people will discover. But we met with his son Travis

721
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:20.440
in Tennessee and he actually let us use his like

722
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:25.000
Scott's evo, gimbal and go prokes, they don't make that anymore, no,

723
00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:26.960
and not.

724
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:30.199
I know, I've I've I've been I've been shopping for

725
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:32.320
one for a long time. Any gimble for a go

726
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:36.800
pro and uh, you can't. They just don't exist hardly.

727
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:39.599
There's a lot of compact one like that. Right, So

728
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:42.639
we got that, We've got a rig that we've we

729
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:44.440
can actually talk about this if you want, the way

730
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:49.039
that I've figured out doing it. But anyway, we uh,

731
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:53.679
we were in the location where Scott did a lot

732
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:59.159
of his research, also where he had Less Stroud during

733
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:03.880
the incident where Less felt like he was telepathically communicated

734
00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:08.320
to by something which he only I think publicly acknowledged,

735
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:11.480
like in November he did on his YouTube channel. You

736
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:15.320
can go look for that. He talks about it. But yeah,

737
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:19.400
so we were out in that area and it was

738
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:23.920
about three am. Tony and Joel had taken a hike

739
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:26.679
trying to use a night vision camera to do the

740
00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:30.239
Carpenter thing with it faced behind. So Joel had one

741
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:35.719
on facing behind him, Tony had one handheld, and they

742
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:38.920
had taken this turn off of the main path and

743
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:40.960
it was like we were getting ready to leave, and

744
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:44.920
they went and Tony starts feeling sick as they're hiking

745
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:46.480
down this trail and so he stops from me and

746
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:49.559
he's like, I gotta stop, sets the night vision camera down,

747
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:52.719
not really even paying attention to whether it's recording still

748
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:57.400
or not. Luckily it was, well it's not luck I guess,

749
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:02.039
but it was recording. But he faced it toward him

750
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:06.000
and Joel's is facing behind and so Joel's kind of

751
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:09.760
standing sort of scanning the woods beyond them with his

752
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:14.760
camera while Tony sat there kind of feeling nauseous. And

753
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:21.519
we recorded the audio of this, and what they experienced

754
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:27.159
was it sounded like something large and bipedal charging through

755
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:32.320
the leaves, and in the audio you can hear it

756
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:35.920
start off and get rapidly get louder, like it's approaching

757
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:40.719
the microphone. They hear it in real time and both

758
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:44.239
of them like yell and Tony like stands up and

759
00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:45.000
draws a gun.

760
00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:48.039
He tells the story act.

761
00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:54.400
I laugh, No, it's and I'm about one hundred yards

762
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:59.039
away at like a fire we had set up. Probably

763
00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:01.039
to preface all of the I should say that we

764
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:06.840
went into the woods because we saw lights that kind

765
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:10.960
of led us this direction. Anyway, I'm one hundred yards

766
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:13.480
away at the campfire. I hear them yell, and so

767
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:16.199
I get on the radio and I go, are you

768
00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:20.800
guys okay? And Joel radio's back. Something like something just

769
00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:25.039
charged us, like a bluff charged. I didn't realize at

770
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:28.840
the time, but they were on a path that it

771
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:32.800
sounded like the thing ran up and there's nothing like

772
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:37.159
when they looked, there's nothing there. It was unseen. So

773
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:43.360
within about thirty seconds of that that radio message there

774
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:47.639
starts up what sounds like you've ever been to a

775
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:50.880
chimp or bonobo exhibit at the zoo when they're like,

776
00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:53.119
you know, rausing each.

777
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:55.920
Other outyep, yelling, fighting, whatever.

778
00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:59.280
It sounds like a chorus of that is going on

779
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:03.239
on the ridge above them. And I hear that back

780
00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:05.360
at camp too, and we've got the audio of that.

781
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:07.360
I hear all of that going on, and I'm like,

782
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:09.199
I caught it. Was like, is that you guys are

783
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:13.880
I thought they were joking. Yeah, I though they were

784
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:20.159
out there making noises yep, but it wasn't. So we

785
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:22.199
have the whole episode, like we have the audio and

786
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:26.239
the video of it. Yeah, they come back to the

787
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:29.559
camp and describe what it was, but that one hasn't

788
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:31.840
made it into a thing yet. We hope to go back,

789
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:37.000
uh down there and spend like a full week doing

790
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:38.519
that location specific.

791
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:44.760
We have a very similar experience. And one of my buddies,

792
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:48.559
who Hid, who's now my co host for my podcast,

793
00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:52.079
Whispers of the what Ape, and uh, he's all in

794
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:57.760
uh bigfoot researcher now he we it was his first

795
00:57:57.800 --> 00:58:01.360
time that that he had ever gone out. Uh we

796
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:04.559
have a research area that it's his property, that's what

797
00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:07.840
I'll call it. And we're blessed enough to have lots

798
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:15.920
of encounters, I guess you could say. But we've had

799
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:19.519
a lot of encounters in the Allegheny National Forest as

800
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:24.760
well in western Pennsylvania. His first time out on like

801
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:31.519
an actual like research trip and we heard it was

802
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:35.480
just like the third night and it was just like

803
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:39.519
that monkey's in the woods in Pennsylvania and he was

804
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:43.920
just forwared, like, oh my god, like this is I've

805
00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:47.199
heard it there a few times, but uh, yeah, it

806
00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:50.639
was just like I'm like, he's like, this is like

807
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:54.079
an episode of National Geographic. What the heck's going on? Yeah?

808
00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:55.280
It was crazy.

809
00:58:55.840 --> 00:58:59.639
Yeah, it's yeah, it's a weird sensation, that kind of stuff.

810
00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:00.559
It iss off.

811
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:07.239
And it's distinctly different than like coyotes doing it. Well.

812
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:11.719
We actually had a recorder going that should have picked

813
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:15.880
it up. The crazy part with that recorder is it

814
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:20.360
didn't pick up anything for about six minutes. Yeah, not

815
00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:24.320
even us talking standing right next to it talking, didn't

816
00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:26.800
even pick it up. It's like the there's about six

817
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:30.440
minutes a dead space. And it's a serious recorder. It's

818
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:34.199
not like you know, the nineteen dollar job you buy

819
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:38.360
on Amazon, like it's made for this stuff, right, Nothing,

820
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:42.840
just blank. So yeah, I've got stories.

821
00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:44.440
Many stuff like that. Stuff like that happens.

822
00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:49.360
That is so going forward? What have you got going

823
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:52.039
on now? Like, I mean, I'm sure you've got you

824
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:55.599
had alluded to another project with Tony and those guys,

825
00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:58.320
but anything else going on?

826
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:04.639
Yeah, we'll we're going to we're actually finishing up post production.

827
01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:07.079
On the last trip that we took this past fall,

828
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:14.599
we went down to an area that's secret. The group

829
01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:19.639
that researches. It is called ASOG Anomalist Studies and Observation Group.

830
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:25.280
Trey Hudson's the team lead there, and we kind of

831
01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:28.199
shadowed them for a night down at this location they have,

832
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:32.480
they call it, they just call it the Meadow, and

833
01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:38.920
they've had some really wild experiences down there, so and

834
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:43.199
we had a couple ourselves, but mostly.

835
01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:47.320
Like we had.

836
01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:52.159
Kind of a hitchhiker effect thing happened the morning after

837
01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:58.079
we left. There were muddy hair and handprints left on

838
01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:02.719
a vehicle that wasn't there the night before, and like

839
01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:05.320
when I said like for like for drug across it,

840
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:07.199
it's the only thing I could think of.

841
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:09.960
Yeah, yeah, we had.

842
01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:12.079
They've had a number of strange things down there, and

843
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:16.679
we did to mostly dealing with like our perceptions being

844
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:25.320
manipulated toyed with. So yeah, we're working on post production

845
01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:27.920
on that one right now. That should come out hopefully

846
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:32.920
in June. We just kind of did the last little

847
01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:36.840
shooting except for we might do some reenactments for that one,

848
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.280
so that one should be coming out in June. I

849
01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:43.880
think it's just gonna be called The Meadow Project, yep,

850
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:48.360
and it'll be companion piece with Trey's got a second

851
01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:53.840
book coming out, so they'll probably release pretty close together.

852
01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:59.239
And then yeah, the one that I'm I'm ramping up

853
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:04.280
for now. The reason that were house Blessing is we're

854
01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:11.039
headed up to Bray Road Elkhorn, Wisconsin Territory. Yep, I'm

855
01:02:11.079 --> 01:02:14.760
gonna deal with there's a property up there that's still

856
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:20.280
really active with stuff that you might that you would

857
01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:24.920
reasonably associate with the Beast of Bray Road, carcasses, disappearing

858
01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:31.639
animal mutilations, some UFO activity even I mean, you know,

859
01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:36.840
it's it's high strangeness, so it leads the gamut and

860
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:40.320
looking at I don't want to give too much away,

861
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:47.519
but there was a six fingered handprint left on the

862
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:50.760
Gentleman's trailer in January when we were talking about coming

863
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:54.719
up with no other tracks, like left in the snow,

864
01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:58.079
like a dusting of snow over this flat trailer that

865
01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:00.760
he loads his hay on with a six fingertaandprint with

866
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:02.960
no other tracks leading up to or away from it,

867
01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:05.840
And it had to have been done in like the

868
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:09.639
five minutes he was away from the trailer, because he Yeah,

869
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:15.039
so that's kind of a pretty direct Yeah, wow, pretty

870
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:20.960
direct and symbol. So yeah, we're we're going into that

871
01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:26.119
one in a pretty direct way, I guess more so

872
01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:30.960
than the others. Yeah, wow, just getting after it.

873
01:03:34.119 --> 01:03:42.159
Yeah well wow, that's yeah, yeah, a lot going on, man, Yeah, yeah,

874
01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:48.039
for sure. So do me a favor with all this

875
01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:53.199
being said, considering the name of this podcast, broadcasting seeds,

876
01:03:54.559 --> 01:03:59.159
any like seeds of wisdom that you can plant in

877
01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:04.159
my audience is mine to like get them to, like,

878
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:08.639
you know, realize that everything's not black and white right,

879
01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:16.039
and there's a lot of high strangeness and plant a seed,

880
01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:21.119
get them thinking about things that maybe the way that

881
01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:26.039
you do well.

882
01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:32.320
I would say that for the vast majority of human history,

883
01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:42.079
both seen and unseen realities were taken as given, and

884
01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:46.519
that it's only been a very short, novel period of

885
01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:52.880
human history where we've pretended that only material exists, only

886
01:04:52.960 --> 01:05:02.480
material causes have effects, and that almost everyone is rapidly

887
01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:09.679
abandoning that idea that materialism is dying. I would say

888
01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:15.920
that given that that's the case, there are two options

889
01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:19.119
for how to make sense of that. Like, Okay, if

890
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:22.440
we're going to set aside the scientism the materialism that

891
01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:31.559
we've grown up with, we can either choose to believe that,

892
01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:36.599
like there is no work that's been done here that

893
01:05:36.679 --> 01:05:42.800
we can't understand it. That whatever things manifest from the

894
01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:49.559
unseen realm, whether it's UFO alien phenomena, the alien abduction experiences,

895
01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:55.280
night paralysis, the things that are sort of becoming more

896
01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:59.559
openly experienced, that people are admitting to these experiences, we

897
01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:03.199
can i or treat them as if you know, there's

898
01:06:03.239 --> 01:06:06.000
no date on this, it's completely we don't know what

899
01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:11.079
it is, and choose to interact with it on that basis,

900
01:06:11.599 --> 01:06:14.679
on that this might be, these things might be benign.

901
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:20.639
You know, maybe we need to be called to evolve

902
01:06:20.719 --> 01:06:22.639
to our higher level of consciousness and all of this,

903
01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:30.960
or we could recognize that this narrative of things from

904
01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:37.519
the unseen making contact and inviting us to believe a

905
01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:40.760
set of things and do a whole set of things,

906
01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:45.039
whether whatever the ritual looks like, whether it's transcendental meditation

907
01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:49.239
in a field trying to summon the ets, or whether

908
01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:53.599
it's straight up you know, witchcraft to manifest your riches

909
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:57.360
or love or whatever. It is, right that all of

910
01:06:57.400 --> 01:07:02.119
that stuff has like a recognize it's not like that's new.

911
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:07.679
It's not like we don't know what it is. So

912
01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:11.320
the second way is to realize that the longing for

913
01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:17.360
connection with the transcendental is good. It's fact an undeniable

914
01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:20.159
part of human existence. It's so long to connect with

915
01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:25.719
the divine and the transcendental, and that, in fact a

916
01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:31.079
way has been made for us to do that. That

917
01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:38.079
way might be uncomfortable because it comes with it impinges

918
01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:41.159
on the sort of absolute moral freedom that we think

919
01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:43.119
that we have to do whatever we feel like and

920
01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:49.320
whatever pleases us, but it does make demands. But the

921
01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:53.280
good news is that the doorway from the divine to

922
01:07:53.559 --> 01:07:59.119
human has been opened already. It has been opened via

923
01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:02.440
the blood of Jesus is priced. And if you want

924
01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:06.239
to make contact with the divine and the transcendental in

925
01:08:06.320 --> 01:08:14.599
the only way that will fulfill that desire, truly, the

926
01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:23.079
way is there. So that's uncomfortable because it's probably exclusionary

927
01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:26.039
of somebody, and I'm sure it may be offensive, but

928
01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:31.399
that that is the only thing that I know to

929
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:36.359
make sense of not only these experiences, but the experience

930
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:40.319
of the world of suffering, of good and evil and

931
01:08:41.720 --> 01:08:43.520
the war that we're engaged in.

932
01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:51.680
That way, yeah, for sure, I agree. Tell us where

933
01:08:52.399 --> 01:08:53.840
you can find we can find you.

934
01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:58.680
I am terrible at keeping up with social media. I

935
01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:03.520
hate doing it. But at Dark Collar Studios on Instagram

936
01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:08.560
is me and dark Collar Studios dot com is where

937
01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:11.680
the kind of the home of the production company. A

938
01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:14.960
lot of the films, if they're not on Dark Collar

939
01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:18.159
Studios dot com or Dark Collar film dot Com, they

940
01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:21.399
are on Merkele dot Media. So the pieces that we've

941
01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:24.760
done with Tony are available there.

942
01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:28.399
Yeah, some are available on YouTube as well.

943
01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:32.000
Yeah, the original the Dark Collar series is available on

944
01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:33.399
YouTube as well. That's true.

945
01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:37.680
Yeah, I watched it somewhere else, but I don't remember.

946
01:09:37.359 --> 01:09:39.680
Where I had it. For for a while, it was

947
01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:40.840
on Vimeo and then they.

948
01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:42.199
That's why I watched that Vimeo.

949
01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:43.880
Yeah, you could pay for it and get it in

950
01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:45.399
four K with no ads.

951
01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:50.119
That's where I watched it because it wasn't available. Yeah,

952
01:09:50.359 --> 01:09:52.359
not not not well and it either.

953
01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:54.399
Way, So you must have watched it early because it

954
01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:55.279
was a while ago.

955
01:09:55.600 --> 01:09:59.880
It's been a while, years and years, so yeah, my

956
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:03.119
but it sticks in my head. I can't I can't

957
01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:03.520
shake it.

958
01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:04.880
So it's good.

959
01:10:05.479 --> 01:10:08.479
Good for you man, good on you. So yeah, thanks,

960
01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:11.560
thank you so much for coming on and we'll have

961
01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:16.199
to do it again at some point, once you've got

962
01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:18.800
some different stories to tell.

963
01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:23.359
Yeah. Oh, one other thing, my one of my olders

964
01:10:23.359 --> 01:10:26.319
and I do a podcast kind of reviewing these trips

965
01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:30.119
as I come back. Yeah, it's called the Ohio Howell. Okay,

966
01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:34.479
So yeah, it's more it's very informal.

967
01:10:35.199 --> 01:10:37.920
Yeah, I'll put but I put all the links in

968
01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:39.000
the show notes. Yeah.

969
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:40.279
Awesome.

970
01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:47.920
Yeah, I always forget that much. Cool. Yeah awesome, all right,

971
01:10:48.359 --> 01:10:50.720
appreciate it. Yeah, thank you so much for me here,

972
01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:51.640
Absolutely welcome.

973
01:10:54.199 --> 01:10:54.439
Yeah.

974
01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:57.760
I got bad thoughts that make my mid skared, hold

975
01:10:57.840 --> 01:10:59.720
me hostage, and they don't fight fair.

976
01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:02.239
Who gonna pray for me? Your white bro, my tests,

977
01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:05.039
Who's gonna save me? If you're not right here? Move

978
01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:07.079
this darkness and make my sight clear?

979
01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:10.039
Take me your way, because I don't like your ghost

980
01:11:10.079 --> 01:11:12.880
of my past day feeling the night here, wake me up.

981
01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:34.520
I'm trapped in my nightmass, trapped in my nightmas trown

982
01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:37.399
and trowing, and I moth the deepen apparition.

983
01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:40.800
So all my demons, all my thoughts, I come, making

984
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:45.680
treason all alone. Who's gonna hear me screaming manifest shits

985
01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:46.520
on my fists?

986
01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:49.560
Regrets that stretched out for light years. You can almost

987
01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:52.159
touch the light. Homie is right there, body free but

988
01:11:52.399 --> 01:11:56.520
trapped in my nightmass. I don't let meet you, all

989
01:11:56.880 --> 01:12:02.680
lights fan, all my life is fair on my life's face,

990
01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:03.800
and then I'll wait.

991
01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:06.279
I don't like miss Jell.

992
01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:10.279
My life is facing now. Oh my life is pain.

993
01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:23.000
Enough been like my we need shutting my lightness.

994
01:12:41.000 --> 01:13:11.039
Octo