June 26, 2026

Flashback Friday with Mr. E from Cryptids of the Corn

Flashback Friday with Mr. E from Cryptids of the Corn
Flashback Friday with Mr. E from Cryptids of the Corn
The Broadcasting Seeds Podcast
Flashback Friday with Mr. E from Cryptids of the Corn
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This was one of those conversations that went everywhere in the best possible way. Mr. E — aka Justin from Cryptids of the Corn — brought the perfect mix of field biology, cryptid research, sea monster lore, Bigfoot theory, and straight-up strange animal intelligence. We got into everything from allegedly extinct species that may still be out there, to mammoths, thylacines, Stellar’s sea cows, Ohio horned serpents, eDNA, Bigfoot evidence, whale language, and why the natural world is still way stranger than most people want to admit. Justin has the rare ability to talk about cryptids with both imagination and actual biological experience, which makes the conversation feel grounded without losing the wonder. This one is a reminder that sometimes the “monster” stories are not as far-fetched as they sound. Go back and check this one out. It’s a wild ride.

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All right, we are live.

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We are here with mister E. Yeah, okay, that's where

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we'll go. Mister E from Cryptid to the Corn. Tell

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us who you are and what you do.

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Hey guys, I am the Great and Powerful Mystery aka Justin.

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I am one half one third cryps Corn podcast. I

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have a co host and my wife helps behind the

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scenes a lot of the time. So we are a

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well we're a cryptid you know, conspiracy paranormal podcast. We

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like to say we're scientific and magical thing combined. Uh

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oh gosh. We have like three or four hundred public

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episodes now and I probably two hundred Patreon episodes. Uh,

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we're we're nuts. We've been speakers all around the US.

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We've been very blessed with that side of life. We've

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actually been uh a feather I always put in my

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hat is we were speakers at the biggest Bigfoot festival

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in the world, which is nuts nuts right. It's sixty

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five thousand people. Wow, it didn't even look real like

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it just it. I mean I've seen like pictures like

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we've been to some big like out outdoor music conferences

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and stuff like that, but everybody's out there for bigfoot

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it's crazy, but yeah. You can find our podcast on

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pretty much every podcast catcher. If you listen to podcasts

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or music even anywhere, you probably find our podcasts. The

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website is Cryptids of Thecorn dot com. Real simple, Just

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the name of the podcast cribscorn dot com and you're

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gonna email us. It's cribs Corn podcast at gmail dot com.

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Jay the my co host, is normally the promotion guy.

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I'm super bad with self promotion. That's where you can

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find all of our t shirts. You can find links

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to all we do other podcasts, and we produce a

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couple of shows for other people. So all the links

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are on the website, and you know, it's kind of

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like an umbrella thing. I just came out with a

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book and you can get it from there too. Living

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UFOs The Ocean of Our Head. I got there, Okay.

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I'm like, I know, I got a copy sitting near me.

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They're better be that's I mean, that's pretty much us.

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You know.

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I was like we were talking off air Minago. I

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was what's called a fisheries field crew leader and the

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fisheries field technician aka a field biologist. That's just the

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easiest way to explain it to people, because when you

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get into biology, there's about five thousand terms for about

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everything for every job position.

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Uh.

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For non biologists people, it's just easier just to say

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field biologists. I was in the field and I did biology.

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Let's see, I did that for years. I did dangered

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species surveys, I did environmental habitat assessments. I was in

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the worst waters in the US and some of the best.

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We actually found two species so extra pain it means

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locally extinct. So one species we found in Illinois was

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extra pated and the government said did not exist anymore,

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and we were doing a survey to prove it didn't

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exist anymore. For them, we were trying to find it. Obviously,

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a company had started building before the survey was finished,

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and our last site we had we caught one the

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whole time. One doesn't count because if anybody knows anything

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about most animals, it takes two to tango. Yep, right,

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one animal doesn't matter. The last site right as this

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giant warehouse is being built where it's not supposed to

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be yet, we caught like one hundred and forty of them.

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They the stopped construction, immediately ripped all that.

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Wow.

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They were not happy. Oh and we were in the

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courts forever about it, saying that we planted fish and

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stuff like that, like you can't even find these fish,

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and so we went.

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Out five and forty like they're extinct allegedly, right, Yeah,

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And then we got a freckle belly mad Tom in Ohio,

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which was a four hundred and fifty mile range expansion.

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So that's right, eybody don't know what man Tom? Is

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there a little venous catfish. Uh, they're about the size

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of your thumb is a pretty big one. So for

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four hundred and fifty mile range, so means that it

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moved back into its old range four hundred and fifty miles.

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A fish to size your thumb, that's pretty impressive. You know,

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there's walked out and that's pretty impressive. But a fish

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to size your thumb to swim up the Ohio River

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and get back into Ohio, that takes a lot of work.

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So like that's my background a little bit. Jay my

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co host, he's not here, but uh, he is a

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bowling all mechanic. His family owns the bowling Alley here

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in town. He is much more of the conspiracy side

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of the podcast. Uh, he's a learner. So, like he

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always likes to say, and I hate it, but I'll

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say it because he's not here. What is he always

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how's he saying? I'll tell you the facts and he'll

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tell you the truth.

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Uh yeah, tru. Right, that's awesome.

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There there, Jay, when you're listening to this.

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Yeah, but you've got.

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The you know, you've got to have that juxtaposition in

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guests or in hosts.

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Yeah, we have a lot of fun. We've been doing

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this a long time. Not a long long time, but

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we've been doing this a while. And uh, no reason

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I still enjoyed is because of Jay.

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So yeah, no, I understand.

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So finding extinct species are proving that they're either not

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extinct or they are.

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What do you think of Forrest Galante?

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Now, okay, I don't know him personally, right, and I

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don't want to speak ill of anybody's career because he

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has a very established career and he's he has So

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I found what's called extra paid. I want to make

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that clear for everybody at home, just because it's a

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little different. The extra paid means locally extinct, gotcha, so

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that they've still those fish still existed other parts of

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the country. It didn't exist in that state anymore. So

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that's a little dere I just want to point it out.

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So yeah, no, it's a distinction for sure. Uh.

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But so what Forrest did is career. He did find

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extinct species. So why is it important for an animal

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to not be extinct, even if there's several individuals out there.

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Is because extinct species in the world have no rights,

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So the second they declared extinct, they no longer have

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any legal protections. So critically endangered is the highest you

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can go before you become extinct as far as the

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Red list is concerned. That ICU N list, and that's

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so that's that's not every country abides by that list.

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Most countries do, so you know if you're critically endangered,

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because they'll try to work out benefits for protecting those

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animals and that kind of stuff on a global scale.

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H So, like the pig nosed Galapagos tortoise, he found one, yep,

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and there was one in a private collection. So there's

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a chance that those guys will come back because of career.

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If anybody haven't seen that little episode of Forrest did

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with it, it was literally on an active volcano. H

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Charles Darwin himself was responsible for a whole extinction of

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a tortoise species because when they got to the Galapagos,

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they turned all the tortoises upside down, put him in

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the bottom of the ship, and used them as meat

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and food for like the next ten months. Right, So,

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and I don't I don't care for Charles Darwin much

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either as a biologist, but he got a lot of

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credit for stuff he probably shouldn't have got credit for Forrest.

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So Forret's career before that, he found a crocodile species,

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he found a couple small cats and then a big cat.

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I'm trying to remember the zanz of our leopard.

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Maybe yeah, yeah, but there was.

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Just trailcam footage of that.

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But either way, it's it's it's a leopard where leopards

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allegedly don't exist anymore, right.

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Yeah, I mean we dealt with that kind of stuff

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all the time with either it was a lot of

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times it's very small fish. There's a lot of small

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species the same. So like for uh all, do us

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anybody's ever seen a musky or a pike. They have

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a littler cousin called a pickerel. All the babies look

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the same, so when you catch one, you don't know

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if it's a musky, pike or pickerel. And it really

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matters for water quality, right.

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Our pickrel don't care nearly as much as a musky does.

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So muskie are breeding, you know it matters anyways. Uh,

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his later career, I don't trust colossal bioscience.

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Right, And that's the folks that are trying to do

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the mammoth reintroduction.

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Also the dialacene maybe right.

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And the Stellar Sea cow.

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Oh there you go.

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Uh, so we can talk about all those animals because

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I firmly believe those four animals we just said, maybe

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the dodo, that's take out the three uh, the three

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mammals we'll talk about. I firmly believe they're not extinct.

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So the mammoth, the trili scene, and the Stellar Sea cow.

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So we had literally before they announced Stellar Seacow project,

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like the month before the two hour episode on the

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Stellar Sea cow still being there. Uh. My biggest the

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biggest modern example was in twenty eighteen, a group of

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trawlers about forty miles off the coast of Washington solidmnate

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and each each trawler you know passed in fifteen minutes.

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Saw the manatee right in the Pacific Ocean and the

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cold waters. So the manite species we have alive today

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are all tropic. Yeah, Stellar Seacow is one of a

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few cold water. Uh and they were pretty even temperate

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to people said it was waving at him and uh

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that's why they you know, they got murdered very fast

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because they were really big and they could stab him

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really easy.

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So when I say, Costal Bioscience has bought a lot

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of celebrity biologists. So Forrest is a celebrity biologist. You know,

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he's you know, he's TikTok insta. You know he does

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all these shorts. Uh, there's a couple. There's a female

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palaeobiologists that is another one. I can't remember her name

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off the top of my head, but she does great content.

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But so Colossus has started buying these creators. Anybody's ever

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seen the CEO of Colossus. She claims to have a

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doctorate in several things. If you watch her talk and

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stuff like that, she's a professional bs heir got Uh,

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I've seen it. Biologists are weird people. I've worked with

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tons and tons and tons of biologists, not a normal

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one of the bunge, including myself. Uh, they just you don't,

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you don't. You can't do it and be normal. There's

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just there's a switch in there that they don't they

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don't quote. So I kind of think because Colossus, before

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the de extinction of animals, heavily worked in the the

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extinction of m sorry, the extinction of extinct animals. They

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worked on preventing extinction of modern animals okay, condors, white rhinos,

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those kind of things, and they had success with that.

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They had a lot of trouble with funding. The second

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they mentioned that they wanted to work on mammoths, they

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became the new Jurassic.

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Park, literally like cash Cow.

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Yeah, I think so, here's my reasoning. And we've done

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episodes on this, mostly on Patreons. I think it's the

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first time I'm talking about it publicly. So anybody hates me,

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I'm sorry. What has happened is the mammoths in the

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Yukon and mammos in Siberia are still seen to this

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day heavily.

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They a lot actually, there's a lot of sighting reports

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tons thousands.

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That Siberia is the size of most massive countries in

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there thousand people living in a hole of Siberia and

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it's almost all around the.

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Rim and it's still prime habitat, habitat like it's it's

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exactly as it was ten thousand years ago.

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So why there's almost no biology the research done in

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deciber because it sucks. In the winter, it sucks, and

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in the summer they have a three month summer where

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it actually in a lot of Siberia the snow will

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come off. It's the biggest wetland in the planet. It

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has the worst mosquitoes.

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Like that that the mosquitoes have such a shorter life

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period that when it's go time, they'll eat everything alive.

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in the early two thousands and they made it one

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hundred miles into Siberia before they turn around because they

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were literally driving in these like atv. You know, if

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anybody knows what an argo is, it's like a big

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six wheeled aquatic vehicle. I have one in the back,

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semi aquatic vehicle. H there were mosquitoes shoving themselves into

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the crevices and making a paste out of themselves because

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they wanted to get in at.

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These people so bad, that's crazy.

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So they turned around because they literally they were getting

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drinks alive.

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Uh, and there's nothing you can do about that. I

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meant at Yeah.

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So what I believe is it was it's much much,

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much much cheaper to have a pure exhibition team go

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out there, find a couple of mammoths, catch them because

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they're seen so regularly up there. And then after I

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kind of said that idea, they announced that they already

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had built in Siberia this mega compound to house their

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mammoths when they're done cloning them, and that they're so

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two years ago they said they would have the first

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baby mammoth of twenty twenty five. That's this year, right,

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And now they're saying twenty twenty six. I don't think

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it'll be a baby. I think they're going to show

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us a full blown adult mammoth and say, see, we

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actually were ahead of you know, we were faster. We

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went to surprise everybody with this big animal, right right,

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So I think it's I really think you could catch

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because the people that have gone out and looked for

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them are doing it on their own dime, and it's

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like thousands of dollars. I think you could go out

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and really find these mammos for a couple million dollars.

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In class of biosciences, I think put two point three

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billion dollars into the mammoth project. So then the trial

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scenes the next one, which we have biologists and trail

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camera photos and people that live there. So ifnybody don't

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know the trilo scene episode or the trial scene thought,

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trilo scenes in the thirties or the twenties and thirties

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were blamed for lamb killings and chicken deaths in Australia.

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Trial scenes pretty much ate small marsupials. In birds, their

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jawls opened extremely wide and they had very fat They

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had very frightening teeth for a lot of people, so just.

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For just for listeners though another name is the Tasmanian.

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Tiger tiger thank you. Uh Yeah, they had really poor

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jawl strength. So even though they looked like a wolf

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or a tiger and they had this big open jawl,

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their bite force was very weak compared to those predators. Yeah,

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so for them to fight lambs and sheep even was

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very difficult. They they hate mostly small things.

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Because their mouth literally opens to almost a ninety degree

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angle like right, and then you think about that the

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if the if the muscles can extend that far, they're

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not going to be that strong snapping back.

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It's like it's exact opposite of a crocodile or anybody't.

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Crodiles have on their bite force down. They have none

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for opening. So you can sit there and hold a

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crocodile's mouth.

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Yeah, that's why you can grab.

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Yeah, exactly, they have I think it's fifteen pounds of

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pressure to open their mouth and man seven eight hundred

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you know, per squarange to close.

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It right, And everyone thinks that the so is it

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dilascene or trial a scene either.

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Way heard, I've heard people in Australia.

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So let's let's say Tasmanian tiger. Everyone thinks it's like

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a wolf and it's just not the case. No, it's

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much more much it's not even a caneid.

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Yeah, it's a more soupial. It's more it's a kangaroo essentially.

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When you really look at their skeletal structure or watch them,

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so they hop when they walk. They still hop, which

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if you look at some of the old videos when

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they're running and stuff, they have a hopping gate.

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Yeah, you can see that at the ones that they

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had in the zoo and in the was it London

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there was?

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Yeah, Ohio had one too.

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That's awesome.

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Uh.

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No way videos is modern day videos of people that's

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just a fox, but you watch it has a hopping

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gate and you can do stripes on the rumph. So

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what happened is Australian government put a bounty on them

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of fifteen dollars back then.

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Per at being a tiger a lot of money.

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Today was we did it, It was like two hundred

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and eighty bucks or something like that per tiger killed.

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So people made their whole careers on going and killing

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every tiger, every cub, everyone they could find. So what

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happens is you ever heard of the rattlesnakes that don't rattle? No, Okay,

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So in Texas, Uh there is a whole population of

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rattlesnakes now that no longer rattle. Rattle snake roundups. So

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what they did in Texas and it's a horrible practice. Uh,

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they went through and they killed all the rattle stinks

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just to kill the rattlesnakes. So they take a big

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metal piece of wood or a big metal bar and

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hit the rocks, and all the rattle stinks of rattle.

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So the only ones that were left were the ones

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that don't rattle. So we selectively bred up population of

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rattlesnakes in Texas that no longer rattle. Uh so yeah,

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we did that. We man did that to that animal.

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So what happened to try this thing, in my opinion,

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is something similar. The ones that survived were the extremely

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shy ones. If anybody didn't know, or five of the

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six most unexplored rainforests in the world, or in Australia

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there's one. There's one rainforce that no modern scientists has

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gone in more than a mile because every plant animal

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is venomous and poisonous. Literally, they have death trees there

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that if you touch them suicide trees. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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if you touch it's just a tree.

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I mean you want to get to.

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Australia is a wild place, man, literally, I mean like wild,

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not just as in like wild, as in it's just.

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Some of the well, it's like a whole different ecosystem, right,

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It's insane.

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It's where God put everything that didn't play well with other.

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Things exactly exactly.

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But I won't work in North America. Put it in Australia,

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it'll be okay. Uh So that's what happened with the Triacity,

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in my opinion, that their numbers got dramatically shortened. The

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ones that were left were in the really remote areas

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and they were purposely avoiding humans.

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You know.

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Genetically they learned that humans became an apex preaderiom, So

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what do you animals do to their apex? Avoid them

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at all costs. So you have all in Australia, you

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have all this unexplored habitat, you have sightings that are

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going up by the year. So that tells you it's.

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Not just in Australia either. It's also in Tasmania as well, right,

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but it's both yes, Yeah, apparently in the New Zealand

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or not.

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I don't think they ever made that because New Zealand,

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even though it's part of the island.

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Change not that clear, very cold.

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Yeah yeah, Imperia is of elevation, right, Yeah, so it's

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a lot.

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It's Is there any other places though that they exist

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besides Test Islands? Maybe?

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So? Yeah. So from Indonesia, which just right on top

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there's a line in the channel in between the Indonesian islands.

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They call that, uh.

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Huh, there's a name for that, right, that animals don't cross.

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Yeah, it's so bizarre.

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Stand on an island and be looking at an elephant

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on a different island, and the elephant will never make

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it across the channel. So it's where the Asian wildlife

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and the Australian wildlife get. It's only like twenty miles.

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Yeah, right, it's like the English Channel. I mean it's

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not very far.

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E moves and Cassowaries are great swimmersay, but no, there's

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a kayaker out there that was like fifty miles out

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and he sees his thin coming out them and it's

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just a castowary just swimming between the islands.

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It's crazy.

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He's happy. So that's the try the scene. That's what

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its case is is that it was hunted to extinction.

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Supposedly still modern sidings. There's plenty of biologists want of

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a big park. Ranger has like the pictures of what

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are I think are good pictures on his cell phone.

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He's like, yeah, if you drive through the parks in

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the early morning, they'll run, you know, they'll right across

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the road. So classical bioscience in Tasmania built a eighty

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million dollar lab in the middle of the main forest,

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and the Australians and Tasmanians are freaking out about it

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because they're like, we could put that money into prove

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and they still exist. Who need to clone them? We

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don't need to bring them back. They're still here. They

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just need protection, right, And I think Colossal Bioscience already

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knew that that's the point of the lab.

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It's yeah, kind of like the same thing in Siberia, right,

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and I.

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Think they're still out there.

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Right, which is just a Pacific manatee issues.

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Five feet long?

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Though, Wow, that's insane.

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They're big, because so what else do you have?

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You have the manatee, You've got the is it the

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what's the name do gong something like that.

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Yeah, there's three or four species of manate true manatee,

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and there's two subspecies of do goon. H. Here's the

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thing for everybody at home. You shouldn't play with any

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wildlife ever. Manatees are generally pretty friendly.

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Uh.

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In Florida.

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I don't know.

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There's ever been confirmed death by manate In other parts

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of the world, there has been, and it's been mostly

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on accident. On the manatees part drowning people because they're huggers.

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Yeah yeah, wow uh so they.

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Actually they hug their babies and we're about the sides

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of a baby, so that's happened. Do guns will drown

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you on purpose. Do goons are like dolphins. They get

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sexually tensioned, and when they get that from competing with

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other they get angry and they'll take it out on

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other species. Humans see a do gun and assume it's

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amanite and then they drowned you because they're sexually frustrated.

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Wow, I just got drowned by a sexually frustrated sea

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cow exactly right.

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And do gums are very active, very fast, and so

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if you look at their habitats that you can see

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the big difference in behaviors. Manatees are both fresh and saltwater, right,

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they don't they really very very often. They are very

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very rarely they go into open water. They stay in estuaries,

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they stay in the coastline, they stay in inland rivers,

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they stay in wetlands. Do guns are the opposite. They're

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open ocean animals. So if you look at the animals

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that the do guns dealing with, they have predators. They

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have animals that will hurt them. They have animals that

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they have to compete with. Mantas. I mean, the only

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big thing with the manatees an alligator, and alligators are

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not gonna tackle and.

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They don't usually get that big.

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I mean, not not to deal with a yeah, not

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to actually sit.

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And hunt you know, a fourteen foot three, four thousand

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pound water cow.

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Yeah, it's amazing.

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I'll tell you one story about manates. That's one of

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my favorite animals. So Blue Spring State Park in Florida

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is one if anybody wants to see a manite, you

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just want to see one. Blue Spring State Park, Florida.

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Uh it's like five dollars for the carload to go in.

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It is.

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We weren't well, I wasn't there that long ago, but

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we had friends and it's amazing.

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Uh So you're not if the mante comes in, they

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don't let anybody get in the water, and if you're

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in the wire, they tell you to stand still. Mantis

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play with people though all the time. Uh So we

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were there watching the mantes on the observing doc and

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there was these three like eight year old boys on

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a log in the in the spring and they kept

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getting thrown into the air, and we were watching. It's

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just big adult male manatee and he's sitting under the

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log and the boys would climb back up on the

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log and he would take his head and bounce them

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up in the air, and they always would climb back

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on the log and he would They did this for

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like a half hour, and then there's like four or

470
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five little man hees had come around. Just watching these

471
00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:17.799
kids go flying, just having a ball, it.

472
00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:20.880
Just makes you wonder their intelligence level, right.

473
00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:26.119
I think many, many animals are much higher intelligent than

474
00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:27.960
humans give them credit for it, because humans kind of

475
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:32.680
have this apex compact aka complex to where we have

476
00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:36.200
to be so much more different than every other living thing.

477
00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:40.960
Humpback whales. We just an episode about the humpback whale

478
00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:43.000
talking to the AI. Do you see that?

479
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:46.200
Yeah? I saw that? Why I read about it? Yeah.

480
00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:51.440
So basically what we've identified over twelve to fourteen thousand

481
00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:55.960
characters in humpback whale language. They have basically first last names,

482
00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:58.839
they have special greetings, they have a social structure, and

483
00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:01.440
humpback whales and made don't know, will go out of

484
00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:05.519
their way to protect other species of whale and other

485
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:09.119
species of animal. Uh, they're the only animal that I

486
00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:12.920
know of that has built in brass knuckles too, right, serious, Yeah,

487
00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:14.880
I mean they grow they have what's called a barnacle

488
00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:17.440
pad where they specifically want barnacles to grow in parts

489
00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:19.279
of their body, so they grow them on the tip

490
00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:21.960
of their snout and they grow them on their fins.

491
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:24.599
So when they whack something with their big fourteen foot

492
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:28.119
long fins, it has a big basically a reefaun it.

493
00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:32.640
Just like you know, just tear something apart.

494
00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:36.640
But no, so why we had We've known their language forever.

495
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:39.200
The problem is is we can't type. We can't hear

496
00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:42.799
the response, recognize the response, and give something back quick

497
00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:47.240
enough to keep them engaged. So they'll like we know

498
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:50.279
their words, like so this AI they just made we

499
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:54.359
can recognize in real time and respond appropriately. So this

500
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:56.519
hump back whale was just circle around this boat for

501
00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:00.559
half an hour talking to this aim had a full

502
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.920
blown conversation with the computer. And the only reason he

503
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:08.559
left is he kept asking where you are? Where are you?

504
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:10.640
Where are you? Where are you? Because he's looking around

505
00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:13.480
and we think he'scept eighty foot long animal. And yeah,

506
00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:15.880
little boat like I can hear you, but I don't know.

507
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:19.519
I don't know where you are. And so they think

508
00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:21.559
he just got and got spooked me.

509
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:24.599
I mean, having you watched Star Trek four where they

510
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:28.599
literally do they literally talked to humpback whales.

511
00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:30.480
Come on, they're aliens, the whales.

512
00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:34.480
We're gonna wipe out Earth. The one thing, the one

513
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:36.079
thing you had to keep is the whales.

514
00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:43.519
Yeah, damn on a Naki talking the whales man guardians,

515
00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:44.920
guardians of the galaxy.

516
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:50.759
Uh. Now, so your sea cows are another one that they're

517
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:52.880
they're gonna break back and they were hundreds of extinction

518
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:56.400
by man h But I think they're out there in

519
00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:58.119
the grass meadows. I didn't. I think we kill all

520
00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:01.359
the coastal ones and I think so we just discovered

521
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:05.000
a grass meadow in the Atlantic the size of about

522
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:07.480
half of Ohio that we never knew about. So people

523
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:09.359
have this idea that we have the ocean mapped. We

524
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:10.279
know nothing.

525
00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:15.640
We don't know anything. As as usual, we know nothing.

526
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:19.759
The shipping lane map covers so little parts of the ocean.

527
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:21.599
People have this idea that, oh, there's cruise ships that

528
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:24.200
go all over the ocean. No, there's not dian affers

529
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:25.960
in the ocean has no traffic.

530
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:28.720
I mean, have we ever heard of shipping lanes?

531
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:33.359
Like, there's a reason that boats stay in certain areas and.

532
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:35.680
If you go out of them. That's why these ships disappear.

533
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:37.799
Because nobody's coming to help you.

534
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:40.359
The kraken coming baby, that's why.

535
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:43.160
So they attached this has been four or five years ago.

536
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:47.119
They attached a camera on a tracker to a fourteen

537
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:50.839
foot Atlantic camera head and Atlantic camera heads. If you

538
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:52.960
don't know their head shape. They hunt animals mostly under

539
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.039
the sand. That's why they're shaped. They's mandibular pores and

540
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:59.599
stuff like that in their heady. So this shark did

541
00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:02.440
something weird. It bolted into the middle of the ocean,

542
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:05.079
and it was super weird. They thought maybe it was

543
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:07.319
upset because they had to put a camera and stuff

544
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:10.799
on it. So it was panicking and running, and then

545
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:13.400
it started getting warmer and shallower again, and it came

546
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:15.039
up on this in the middle of the Atlantic, this

547
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:19.039
seagrass meadow that nobody had known about forever, and it

548
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:22.160
started hunting turtles and it was about half the size

549
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:24.680
of Ohio where he thought it was all deep sea

550
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:27.599
ocean was I mean about forty foot of water, so

551
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:30.319
perfect to grow these giant sea beds. So that's what

552
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:32.920
the stellar seakel lived in. So we know very very

553
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:36.240
few of them in the Pacific, but we know they exist.

554
00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:38.720
And what I mean by that is we find fry

555
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:43.079
so baby fish the species of fish that live in

556
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:47.480
those grass meadows. But they're broadcast spawners, so their eggs

557
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:50.799
end up in the current and end up everywhere. So

558
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:52.839
when you get the eggs, you know somewhere out here

559
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:55.960
there is a giant seagrass meadow. We just don't know

560
00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:58.480
where it is. I mean, you know, like I said,

561
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:00.720
half the size of Ohio sounds massive, But now when

562
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:05.400
you're talking about seventy five percent of the planet.

563
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:08.200
Isn't the sea the stellar sea cow?

564
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:12.079
Yes, isn't it about twice the size of like a manatee?

565
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:15.559
Ish? So it kind of it kind of follows the lions.

566
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:17.440
The reason I'm saying this is it kind of follows

567
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:21.480
the lines of because it lives in the northern colder climate,

568
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:23.480
they just get way bigger.

569
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:28.359
It's called barring Chin's rule or Barrington's rules something like that. Yeah,

570
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:30.119
So further away you get from the quator, the bigger

571
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:34.480
animals get uh yeah, it follows the same rules. Uh yeah.

572
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:37.720
But they were found throughout a lot of parts of

573
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:41.079
the Pacific. They were spotted in random, weird places. There

574
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.839
was actually an island that was called near the equator

575
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:47.480
called Manatee Island in the middle of the Pacific that

576
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:49.279
by the time scientists got there, there were no more

577
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:52.119
manites because they'd ate them all. There's no manites out

578
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:53.960
there though there's not supposed to be manits out there,

579
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:56.119
So they were probably a population of stellar sea cows,

580
00:30:57.759 --> 00:30:59.960
but no sea cows. Why they were so easily killed.

581
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:03.960
So forty five feet long, right, massive animals. We're talking

582
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:07.839
twenty thirty forty thousand pounds, So for everybody at home,

583
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:12.039
a semi trailer is fifty two feet long, so a

584
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.720
little shorter than a semi trailer, and a bout is heavy.

585
00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:20.039
They were friendly to people. They had a unique disposition

586
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:24.039
to where they would come up to boats because so

587
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:25.920
what they would do is they would live in giant

588
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:29.680
clp forests and seagrass meadows. Why they weren't murdered by

589
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:34.240
orcas to extinction is because orcas are terrified of kelp forest.

590
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:36.640
Because animals with the tail fluke like that will get

591
00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:40.200
tangled and they'll drowned right right right, Why sharks don't

592
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:42.200
go in them, Orcas don't go into They patrol the edges.

593
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:45.960
The Stellar sea cow at hands and it would weave

594
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:49.359
its way through these forests with its babies, and they

595
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.119
were very comfortable, so they really didn't have any predation events,

596
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:54.599
so they weren't scared of anything like the dodo. But

597
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:57.000
everybody says dotes are dumb. No, doughs just didn't have predators.

598
00:31:57.279 --> 00:31:59.119
And then we came beaten to death with a rock,

599
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:05.039
so you know, it switched really quick. So the natives

600
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:08.480
that lived along with these guys purposely did not hunt

601
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:12.720
them because of whether it was spiritual spiritual things, just

602
00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:15.400
they had a human nature to them, so you know,

603
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:17.240
didn't feel right because they'd come up to you and

604
00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:19.039
they would talk and blow kisses at you and all

605
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:22.079
that kind of stuff. Right, And then the Stellar's crew

606
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.119
discovered them and they were declared extinct twenty years after

607
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:27.559
the Stellar crew discovered them, because.

608
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:30.799
Which was when seventeen hundreds, it.

609
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:34.000
Was early eighteen's, late seventeen something like that. I think

610
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.799
it was eighteen's. It was eighteen something. The Selexic combat

611
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:40.039
with numbers. But what they would do is they'd come

612
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:42.680
up behind him and they literally had a sea cow spear.

613
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:44.640
They would just stab them in the back of the

614
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:46.759
head because they'd show their head. They'd come up and

615
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:47.000
be like.

616
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.039
Yeah, I think you guys. Who are you guys?

617
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:54.559
Yeah. So in two thousand and like four or five

618
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:59.960
a Russian beach, here's a group in Russia or walk

619
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.759
along the beach and they were I think they were

620
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:06.480
rock collecting and manate that's the best way they can

621
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:10.240
describe it. Invanity was in the shallow waters playing and

622
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:12.079
they had one out there and they were patentent and

623
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.440
stuff like that in Russia on the coast and then

624
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:17.240
like it was really really big. It just looked like

625
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:20.079
a manatee. And so I think they're still around. I

626
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:21.720
think they're in very low numbers and I think they

627
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:23.880
yeah right, I.

628
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:29.119
Think so cool. I am. I have a Yeah, I

629
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:31.000
don't really like the ocean anymore.

630
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:34.799
I was in well, I was in yeah, well, I

631
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:37.799
was in marine, the Marine Corps, and I spent plenty

632
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:39.240
of time in a bow. But I was a I

633
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:43.160
was in reconnaissance in the Marines, and we we dove.

634
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.839
I was a diver, so, but we also spent a

635
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:49.240
lot of time out in the ocean. And where I

636
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:53.480
was stationed at Campbell June, you have a hammerhead breeding

637
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:58.920
ground off the coast there where literally they would they

638
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:02.519
would film shark we right, and we would still be

639
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:06.160
out in the water all the time, finning doing what

640
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:10.360
you know, physical training, but finning, and I remember getting

641
00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:14.599
and it scarred me. I have serious trauma because of this.

642
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.760
But at the end of the day, we had a huge.

643
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:20.199
Hammerhead.

644
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:24.159
Actually there was two of them that were just way

645
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:27.480
too close for comfort, right, and we could go, you know,

646
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:32.440
look underneath, and thank god, visibility was really good that day.

647
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:36.320
But I mean thank god, or maybe I'd rather be ignorant,

648
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:42.360
but we actually got I say saved, but who knows

649
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:44.840
if we were saying. But there was a bunch of

650
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:50.320
bottle nose dolphin that chased them off, chased the hammerheads

651
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:55.760
off from us, and then commenced to bump us. And

652
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:59.599
that is a terrifying situation because this is a twelve

653
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:02.920
hundred the animal. So when they touch you, it it

654
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:06.840
movie feel it, man. And I've never seen somebody walk

655
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:10.239
on water, but my buddy walked on water like he

656
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:14.719
it was absolute. He came out of the water with

657
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:16.440
his fins like, oh my god.

658
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:20.719
So, so you were scared of the wrong animal, right,

659
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:22.760
Sharks kill four people a year.

660
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.400
Yeah, we'd be getting raped by the dolphins.

661
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:28.159
Dolphins kill forty people a year, it.

662
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:30.400
Has right, Oh, I was scared.

663
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:33.159
I was scared too, because it's just massive, Like you

664
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:33.920
don't realize.

665
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.239
I mean, so dolphins, like I said, they kill around

666
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:39.719
forty people a year in the world, and sharks fil

667
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:40.239
about four.

668
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:41.400
That's insane.

669
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:43.320
There's movies like jawls and stuff like that.

670
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:43.760
Yeah.

671
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:47.320
Yeah, slippers p r apartments very different.

672
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:49.599
Yep, for sure. No.

673
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:51.639
I remember we used to shark fish a lot. I

674
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:53.880
love sharks. I've been in the water with some really

675
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:56.679
big bull sharks. I'm only I never really had a

676
00:35:56.760 --> 00:36:01.639
scary experience with sharks because we've always treated with respect. Yeah,

677
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:03.840
I'll tell you the big bull shark story that we had,

678
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:06.679
but I can't tell you. We were on Daytona, New

679
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:11.239
Smirna in that area beaches and day in Florida, yep,

680
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:14.880
and we were shark fish and this lady would just

681
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:18.280
scream ask that we're attracting the sharks. They're like, lady,

682
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:21.760
we wouldn't be here like the world. Like, so the

683
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:24.800
shark bite capital of the world or sorry, the US

684
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:28.159
is New Samurna Beach, Florida because it's a popping ground

685
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.280
of six different species. So you got all these baby

686
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:33.599
sharks that are like biting people's hands because they think

687
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:36.360
they're fish. Yeah, so you know, people.

688
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:38.960
Get they're ignorant kids right there.

689
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:44.519
My kid bites me, uh anyway, but she's screaming. We're like,

690
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:45.719
go on the pier. If you go on the pier

691
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:48.840
in New Samurna, Daytona, there's sharks swimming in and out

692
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:52.599
of people all day, every day, not bother anybody. If

693
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:54.880
you don't want to get bit by a shark, don't

694
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:56.960
go in the ocean. There's no such thing as shark

695
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.239
infested waters. They live there.

696
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:01.800
You're in there, you're in there.

697
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:05.079
We built two for a reason. If you don't want

698
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:08.079
nothing to touch you get a pool, all right. No,

699
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:10.519
So we were shark fishing, me and my dad off

700
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.480
of Daytona, so everybody don't know. He gets kind of

701
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:15.199
deep and then there's a sandbar and then it gets

702
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:17.960
deep again. So we're standing on the sandbar, and we

703
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:21.639
have black tips who were keeping Uh. This big bull

704
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:25.440
shark comes in and she's slowly passing in front of us,

705
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:31.000
looking at us, goes past, turns around, comes closer, slowly

706
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:35.719
going past, third time closer. So so on the fourth time,

707
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:38.920
I got the butt of my rod ready, and what

708
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:40.760
I'm gonna do is I'm gonna hit her kind of

709
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:44.760
hard right behind the gills. Bull Sharks are not used

710
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:48.280
to being attacked, so if you do that, they freak

711
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:49.679
out and you won't see the rest of it. So

712
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:51.880
she comes by and I bump her. No, I mean,

713
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:53.599
I'm not hitting her to hurt her. I'm just bumping

714
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:55.159
her to let her know, Hey, I know you're here

715
00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:55.880
and I don't want to hear.

716
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:56.519
Yeah.

717
00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:59.760
Second I bumped her, she took off. We didn't see

718
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:03.480
her with for hours, never seen her again. So she sharks.

719
00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:06.400
I mean, I like sharks easy, like more than dolphins

720
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.760
to be here in the water with, because they're the

721
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:15.039
same way every time you're not guessing, you're not trying to.

722
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:18.280
They don't have moods like dolphins. Do you know that

723
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:20.880
you can swim dolphins state people and then dolphins right

724
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:24.800
people to death? So there's you know, the dolphins have

725
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:27.159
a little bit of a wide spectrum the guests, which.

726
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:30.599
Way do right, right, just like humans, right.

727
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:32.960
Yeah, I mean that's dolphins are very much more like people.

728
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:36.760
Yeah, and it shows too, because they're more I mean

729
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.800
that we will we know they're way more intelligent, and

730
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:40.639
they're more.

731
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:43.920
Intelligent that in a way that we can understand. I

732
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:45.880
guess it is the right way to I mean.

733
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:49.760
There's that there's still four US dolphins. I can't remember

734
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:52.760
it was navy or marines that were training these dolphins

735
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.840
to take out ships. Yeah, and they're still out there.

736
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.800
They quit the program and they still bombs on them.

737
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:03.280
Insane and they live quite a while too.

738
00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:05.360
Forty fifty years have been on the species.

739
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:06.480
Insane.

740
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:10.639
I mean, you're smart. Very few predators great whites. They're

741
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:12.440
they're kind of an animal that flips back and forth

742
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:15.440
between being a predator and being a harass you know,

743
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:20.800
harassed by dolphins. Yeah, yeah, but orcas eat them. Uh,

744
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:21.760
that's pretty much it.

745
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:24.079
Yeah, or because they are terrifying too.

746
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:29.440
They they I just can't get over the fact that, well,

747
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:32.840
I mean I can it makes sense that different pods

748
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:36.599
have different languages and like the fact that people can't

749
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:41.840
understand that literally like a pot that even other pods

750
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:45.800
they can't communicate with each other because they don't speak

751
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:49.199
the same language. Right, It's like taking us and having

752
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:51.360
you know, people that only speak English go.

753
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:56.440
Try and walk around Russia or or wherever you.

754
00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:58.519
Know, and I don't know what you're saying.

755
00:39:59.199 --> 00:39:59.639
Yeah.

756
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:04.880
So, and they have different habits, they have different all

757
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:08.000
the different stuff, the way they hunt, not they hunt.

758
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:09.280
It's insane.

759
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:13.480
So in Alaska, for example, like you just said, there

760
00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:18.880
are three different groups of orca. Now they have family

761
00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:21.440
dialects and then they have regional dialects. Like you said,

762
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:23.599
you took an orca out of Alaska and dumped it

763
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:27.280
in the Arctic or the Antarctic, they would have no

764
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:29.440
idea what those orcans are saying. They even though it's

765
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:33.000
habitat and everything that they didn't matter. I'm not saying

766
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:34.400
the orcheress would be mean no or nothing like that.

767
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:38.880
Just they they can't understand each other, but that's how

768
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:42.559
they speciate. So in the same habitat you will have

769
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:46.119
a crew of orcas that is just salmon eaters or

770
00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:48.880
just fish eaters. Yeah, the stealers. And then you'll have

771
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:52.199
the whalers all living in the same group, right on

772
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.719
top of each other, the same territory and not bothered

773
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:58.920
by each other because you're know, they's called the food partitioning. Yeah,

774
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:02.280
so dolphins know the difference. So dolphins will hang out

775
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:05.440
with the fish and orcas, not the whale eating orcas

776
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:08.639
because they're on the menu for those guys, right, But

777
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:11.760
they're helpers and they work together with these guys. So

778
00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:13.719
people always I wonder that because you'll see videos of

779
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:16.119
dolphins and orcas hanging out and stuff like. That's one

780
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:19.360
kind of orca, right, you know, it's not the whaler

781
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.199
orca chasing down you know, blue whales and that kind

782
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:22.639
of stuff.

783
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:27.400
Oh yeah, those are some insane videos of them hunting,

784
00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:30.800
you know, especially with the when you've got the young

785
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:34.320
whales and you know the defense. Well that's when you

786
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:38.320
see the defense stuff like a whale of tear you apart, man,

787
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:39.280
like they eat.

788
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:43.199
They have a peaceful to them, but they are big

789
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:45.039
and when they can move.

790
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:47.000
Fast, Oh yeah, that's what I mean, they get after

791
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:51.159
it like they can. They're fast like and another one

792
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:54.199
that's terrify, which it's the tooth whales, right, so you've

793
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:55.960
got the.

794
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:58.800
Sperm whales or a whole nother animal.

795
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:01.159
And that is just they. I can't believe how fast

796
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:03.320
they are, Like it's insane.

797
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:05.599
With spermacetti in their head. So everybody don't know. If

798
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:07.559
you look at a sperm wos skull, it's much more

799
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:11.199
like a crocodile. The big round thing is spermacetti. It's jelly.

800
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:12.400
It's just pretty much jelly.

801
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:13.239
Uh.

802
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:16.920
They use for echo location in sonic boons. Like you said,

803
00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:19.440
their last so tooth wals, there's right now we have

804
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:23.400
four groups of cetaceans left roughly, we have the balenes,

805
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:27.559
we have the tooth whales, we have the porpoises, which

806
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:30.719
are everything or goes down. And there's actually beaked whales.

807
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:34.320
Have you ever seen a beaked whale? No, they're extremely rare.

808
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:36.280
A lot of the species have only been seen twice.

809
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:37.199
Uh.

810
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:42.559
There are whales that grow tusk okay, and they go

811
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.159
to there the deepest diving animals a caviar's beaked tail.

812
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:47.039
So they either grow two tusk right at the front

813
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:49.840
of their mouth, not like a like they're tusk, or

814
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:51.400
they grow two tusk like a boar.

815
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:52.519
Wow.

816
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:56.199
Okay, they're extremely peaceful, loving animals. They're very very rare

817
00:42:56.199 --> 00:43:00.880
depending on which species, but they have giant gal and scars.

818
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:03.679
So these guys go to the bottom deeper than sperm

819
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:06.400
whales and they fight stuff down there that we have

820
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:10.239
no idea about. Everybody hasn't seen a beach to whale,

821
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:12.639
their gink go tooth beach whale, the caviers beaked whale,

822
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:15.280
the white topped beak whale, and the bottle knows to

823
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:17.920
beach whale or some really cool animals. Just look at

824
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:19.960
pictures of them. Yeah, because you don't.

825
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:22.639
I wrote it down because I'm all over it.

826
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:25.760
They're very so it's an unknown. They're very secretive. They're

827
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:29.239
very divers. Uh. The Caveers beaked whale holds the world

828
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:33.480
record or mammal longest breath hold and mammal deepest dive.

829
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:36.400
And it was on accident when we found it because

830
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:37.920
one it bumped into an unmanned sub.

831
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:39.440
Oh my gosh.

832
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:41.079
So they're like, what you know, what is that? It

833
00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:43.920
was caviar's beaked whale. He's hunting, he's you know. So

834
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:47.280
that depth was like, oh, I don't want to guess,

835
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:49.760
but it was like eighty five hundred meters or something

836
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:52.519
like that. In it was three times deeper than the

837
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:54.159
deepest sperm whale.

838
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:56.880
So we're talking and we know the sperm whales go

839
00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.920
down and they're fighting you.

840
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.960
They're eating squid and big squid, I mean colossals.

841
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:05.400
And giant clossals and giants right uh.

842
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:06.679
And they you know, they come up with scars to

843
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:10.440
prove and sperm whales don't no pushover you other big animals.

844
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:12.360
Then their their.

845
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:18.159
Cousin, which is encryptid is Leviatin, not Leviathan Leviatin, which

846
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:20.119
was a cousin of the sperm whale that is extinct

847
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:23.920
quote unquote, Uh that was so sperm wheles have tiny,

848
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:26.639
tiny dorsal fins towards the back of their tail. Le

849
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.719
Viatin was a toothed sperm whale. So sperm whale's you

850
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:31.679
look at their jaws, they pretty much just have teeth

851
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:34.559
visible on the bottom jawl. They have really narrow, thin

852
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:38.639
jawls because they're hunting animals like squid, soft body animals

853
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:41.519
that are wriggly. So you have these big sharp teeth

854
00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:43.599
and these narrow jawls to grab them and just hold

855
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:46.199
and just you know, they're not fighting animals that they

856
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:47.280
got to really rip into.

857
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:48.000
You know.

858
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:51.119
The viatin was the opposite. It was a cousin of

859
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:55.880
the sperm whale that ate other whales and megalodonts, So

860
00:44:56.119 --> 00:44:59.880
their favorite foods were balen whales and meglodonts. Uh. So

861
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:01.599
they kind of were competing with the meglodonn at the

862
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:04.719
same time because meg alowns were whale hunters. Specifically, what

863
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:06.960
they target was big baileen whales, the middle class of

864
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:11.480
baileen whales. So they both went extinct around the same time,

865
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:14.559
and it was around the time that orcas started taking off.

866
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:16.280
So they think, you know, orcas are probably the nailly

867
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:19.639
coffin for both those species because orcas do hunt the

868
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:23.880
same prey, but they do it cooperatively, so they can

869
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:28.480
really confuse a one thing, right, uh. But leviatin may

870
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:30.760
still be around in some areas, so there's a cryptic

871
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:33.880
called the high finn sperm whale. Every once in a while,

872
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:37.400
it's been seen since the whaling industry. Whaling is still

873
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:40.480
going on today. It's a horrible practice. But the big

874
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:43.719
fallout of the major whaling industry was in the nineteen fifties,

875
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:47.719
so from the sixteen hundreds to the nineteen fifties, you know,

876
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:52.400
four hundred years ish of hardcore whaling. Every once in

877
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:54.599
a while they'd say that they'd see a high fin

878
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:57.400
sperm whale. So what that is a sperm whale that

879
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:02.320
had an orca fin would be always by itself. It

880
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:04.719
was always ten times more aggressive, and they always had

881
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:07.679
trouble killing them that most most whalers wouldn't even mess

882
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:09.960
with them because they just they were they were they

883
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:11.559
were one of the few whales that would turn back

884
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:12.239
around and fight.

885
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:14.159
Yeah, like Moby Deck.

886
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:18.320
Yeah, which Moby Deck is was not to lose. What

887
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:21.000
was the name of that ship, the one that whale

888
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:26.639
actually sunk in the Pacific and all the was it

889
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:28.000
the ss Ulysses or something.

890
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:31.000
Like that, something like that, right, But but could that

891
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:32.639
have been a hyphen sperm whale?

892
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:33.079
Probably?

893
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:35.239
I mean it was a whale they were stabbing and so.

894
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:37.840
Yeah, so obviously it's going to fight back. But I

895
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:39.639
wonder you know, one of.

896
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:43.480
The things they think with that case was the nail.

897
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:45.960
So one of the tracking boats that they had cut

898
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:49.639
the lead, they started nailing tarp and a couple of

899
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:53.440
people now have remade that sound. It's very similar to

900
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:57.880
bull bileen whales. Our bull sperm whale's aggression calls for

901
00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:02.119
other males. So they think that that there's a chance

902
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:04.440
that when the whale was attacked, because it was the

903
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:07.519
biggest whale the crew had ever seen. Yeah, and they

904
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:10.119
did that sound. So the whale maybe took the attack

905
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:13.320
as a territorial attack and not a predatory attack. So

906
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:15.320
he turned around because he pretty much just rammed his

907
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:18.000
head through the bottom of the ship. Yeah, I mean

908
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:19.360
just took it out.

909
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:19.679
Uh.

910
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.000
Wales would have figured out how easy it was. They

911
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.239
had done it a lot, a lot sooner. I mean,

912
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:28.920
there's we burnt enough whales that on the Antarctic ice

913
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:32.559
sheet it looks like a volcano erupted. We burnt so

914
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:36.159
many whales. I want to say that again that geologists

915
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:40.199
and uh glaciologist when they DoD ice cores, you can

916
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:43.800
see it in the ice core and Antarctica whale burn

917
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:45.880
it looks like a volcanic eruption.

918
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:46.639
Right.

919
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:50.639
Uh No, so hyphens berm wheels, Yeah, that's a cryptid.

920
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:53.480
Maybe it that's awesome.

921
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:55.639
I'm a rambler.

922
00:47:56.119 --> 00:47:58.960
No, I mean I love this stuff, man, So I

923
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:02.039
uh but are so the one question that.

924
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:03.360
I always ask folks.

925
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:08.000
Just to shift gears, just to touch not not a

926
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.519
big gear shift, but a little one.

927
00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:13.280
Is my So I always ask people.

928
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:16.559
I call it their gateway drug to this high strangeness

929
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:20.320
U world and U mine.

930
00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:21.880
Is bigfoot, right.

931
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:26.360
And I had an experience when I was young, and

932
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:28.400
that just like set the nail in the coffin. But

933
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:32.239
I also say on the wider range is like Norris mythology.

934
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:35.000
I was just obsessed with it when I was a kid, right,

935
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:38.719
And but anyway, and that's where you get some of

936
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:43.559
these ideas anyway, I mean like, but so I'm the

937
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:46.119
one question I always ask is what is your gateway

938
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:48.960
to this world of high strangeness?

939
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:50.639
Lake and sea monsters?

940
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:52.559
Lake and sea monster.

941
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:54.239
And I was a little kid, I was, I was

942
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:57.079
still obsessed. I tried to hunt the South Bay Bessie here.

943
00:48:57.440 --> 00:48:59.480
I had a great white shark cook and I put

944
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:01.159
a whole chicken on it and I attached it with

945
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:05.440
steel cable. Uh yeah, I tried. I tried to hunt

946
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:08.679
lakes South Bay, Bassie, Lake Eries, Lake Monster, at least

947
00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:11.320
on our side of the lake, because it's called the

948
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:17.280
Lake Erie Chomper across in Canada, no sea monsters, lake monsters,

949
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:21.480
river monsters. Ohio horned serpents I've been obsessed with since

950
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:24.559
I was young and I heard about them, which I

951
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:26.480
could talk about that for a second, because there's not

952
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:30.800
a lot on them. I've probably done the most on them,

953
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:37.480
that is out horned serpents. Okay, there's lake it's so weird.

954
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:42.119
So they were so commonplace that nobody cared.

955
00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:45.960
Right, it was just a normal part of the landscape.

956
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:50.119
Yeah, what people don't understand is alligators are native to Ohio.

957
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:53.440
Before we dammed up the Ohio River and killed them

958
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:56.880
all in the eighteen hundreds, alligators were in Ohio. They

959
00:49:56.920 --> 00:49:58.280
were in the Ohio River all the way up through

960
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:02.800
Ohio and in Pennsylvania. Yeah, so they weren't super common,

961
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:05.840
but it was not unheard of for an alligator to

962
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:07.519
naturally swim up the other So what most time it

963
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:10.920
would be what we called retiring adults to where that

964
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:13.199
they would They weren't because they really couldn't breed here

965
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:17.519
in Ohio very effectively. But the adults, the old ones,

966
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:21.199
the old timers, would come up the Ohio River were

967
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:25.639
easier prey in less competition. So the retiring group of

968
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:30.280
alligators would come all the way upo So Ohio horn

969
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:32.199
serpents were talked about like that in the seventeen eighteen

970
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:34.960
hundreds from the shipping lanes. So we had a couple

971
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:38.840
captain's journals that say, seen three Ohio horn serpents near

972
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:42.719
Cincinnati today, stop traffic for an hour, wouldn't get out

973
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:44.719
of the way, and they would talk about this. So

974
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:47.840
these guys were about eighty feet long, They had three

975
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:50.639
bumps on their head where the horns come from. They

976
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:53.599
weren't like rhino horns. Most people would draw them would

977
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:55.559
be like almost like a big snaker and eel with

978
00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:57.639
these almost knots on their head.

979
00:50:57.880 --> 00:50:58.360
Wow.

980
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:00.840
And they would swim across the and they'd play in

981
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:03.719
the river, and people would stop traffic for them, because

982
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:06.800
what they would talk about in these journals is they

983
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:10.039
were not a violent or dangerous creature if you did

984
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:13.000
not mess with them, if you just if the ships

985
00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:15.000
would stop and let them pass. The only ones that

986
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.280
wouldn't stop would be the barges because they don't stop

987
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:19.960
for anything, so they just presume that they'd get out

988
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:25.719
of the way. The second Ohio and Pennsylvania and West

989
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:30.559
Virginia started doing open coal mining and industrialization. They all

990
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:34.480
disappeared overnight because if anybody don't know, the Ohio River

991
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:38.280
is extremely radioactive now because coal mining, because there's a

992
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:40.119
lot of radio materials. It's called seat ponds. If you

993
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:42.320
drive down the Ohio River, you see these little ponds

994
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:45.639
next to these coal plants, their seat ponds, sludge ponds.

995
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:49.360
That's where they dump all the radioactive crap from coal

996
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:51.039
and then every time it rains, it goes to the

997
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:56.800
Ohio River. So overnight these animals disappeared. So they went

998
00:51:56.880 --> 00:52:00.000
from everyday occurrences to nobody's ever heard of them.

999
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:00.719
Wow.

1000
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:04.639
And it's so when we see animals specifically sensitive species,

1001
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:07.360
I mean that's they're called indicator species. When they leave

1002
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:11.239
the environment, they disappear. So Serpent's mound is only about

1003
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:15.079
thirty miles from there, so everybody's always trying to guess

1004
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:18.199
what Serpent's mound is and all this stuff. To me,

1005
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:24.119
it's a horned serpent, okay, And literally it's thirty miles

1006
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:27.920
from where these things were commonplace. It's a giant serpent

1007
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:31.360
that they say has fins on its head or antlers,

1008
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:35.159
and I just look at it as horns. Yeah, thirty

1009
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:39.559
miles away. They had giant horn serpents swimming everywhere everywhere.

1010
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:41.920
Like like you said, commonplace, like it was just like

1011
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:42.719
another thing.

1012
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:48.599
And then they haven't really been seen since. So eels,

1013
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:52.400
I think they're probably species of giant eel, and that's

1014
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:57.559
a whole that's a whole thing. But so eels are androgynous.

1015
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:02.960
All all true eels in the North America, South America, Europe,

1016
00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:06.360
and Africa breed and what's called the Sargasso Sea in

1017
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:08.719
the middle of the Atlantic. So I want to say

1018
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:12.800
that again. The eel in Minnesota swims all the way

1019
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:16.559
down the Mississippi River, through the Gulf into the Atlantic

1020
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:18.280
to breeding in the middle of the ocean called the

1021
00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:21.719
Sargasso Sea. The ill in Europe does the same thing.

1022
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:25.199
The eel in the Amazon does the same thing. The

1023
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:28.920
eel in Africa, the congo, does the same things. We

1024
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:33.119
have never ever seen an eel breed. We've never seen

1025
00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:35.199
him give birth, we never see him lay eggs. All

1026
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:40.719
we know adult eels go there and baby eels come out.

1027
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:43.880
For all we know, it's a portal because you can't

1028
00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:46.760
dive in the Sargasso Sea. You may know it, but

1029
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:48.519
for listeners at home. This Sargasa Sea is like a

1030
00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:52.400
turning point. It's full of every bit of garbage in

1031
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.960
the ocean, and it's killed a lot of divers because

1032
00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:57.800
it get tangled and stuff, and you can't come out

1033
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:02.079
right right right, you're down there. So we've never there's

1034
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:04.559
no manned there's no unmanned subs that have really gone

1035
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:09.199
through and investigated because it's so difficult. So I think

1036
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:11.239
that there was. So eels follow what's called the rule

1037
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:14.280
of one sixty. They have a stage in their life

1038
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:17.960
cycle called a glass eel, which is a little transparent larvae.

1039
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:22.599
Every species except one, which may not be an exception,

1040
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:27.960
follows the rule of one sixty. That larva stage is

1041
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:31.840
one sixtieth of the adult size. And I'm saying true

1042
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:33.639
species of Eelscare's a lot of animals we call eels

1043
00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:36.000
in ourn't eels like electric gills, aren't ill that kind

1044
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:40.320
of stuff. Except one we found in the nineteen hundreds.

1045
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:43.199
We found two glass eels. So keep mind, I said

1046
00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:46.039
the glass eels one sixty at the adult size. We

1047
00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:49.840
found two glass eels that were each six feet long.

1048
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:53.559
So a bunch of violotis said that has to be

1049
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:56.719
the exception, right, that's the exception. They just may be

1050
00:54:56.760 --> 00:55:00.840
a little bigger than their glass stage. I am the opposite.

1051
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:03.559
I say, they probably follow the same rule. And we

1052
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:07.199
caught two larvals of what these this world of sea serpents,

1053
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:10.840
these giant eels that go into So they'll be eight

1054
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:15.920
foot American eels in a mountain stream in West Virginia

1055
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:18.920
that bred in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, and

1056
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:21.079
they'll spend their whole life as they're small, getting back

1057
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:24.199
up there. And they they have such slow metabolisms, and

1058
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:26.199
they'll live up there for eighty years before they go

1059
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:29.480
back and breed. I think that's what's happening. So that's

1060
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:33.719
what we're sharing, a global of almost species of eel.

1061
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.840
That's our sea serpent, that's our lake monster, that's our

1062
00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:39.599
you know, the Ohio horned serpents. So conger eels are

1063
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:41.920
the biggest fresh androgenous eel right now, and they have

1064
00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:45.480
bumps on their head. So just make them eighty foot long,

1065
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:49.000
make them one hundred foot long. So yeah, that's I

1066
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:53.239
mean that that idea got me into it long time ago.

1067
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:55.519
There's a book I have in my collection I got

1068
00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:58.000
when I was like ten the a ten year old

1069
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:02.719
shouldn't be reading. I think it's called eel eels, eels, right,

1070
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:07.280
and it's just a biologist writing about eels. And it's

1071
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:11.679
about about that thick, right, it's about four inches thick

1072
00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:13.519
if you hit somebody with it. Did suck.

1073
00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:17.719
All on eels, all on eels, just.

1074
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:19.920
Just eels and actually only three species of like four

1075
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:20.559
hundred eels.

1076
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:23.239
Uh you know?

1077
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:26.760
So yeah, that's what that was my gateway drug. So

1078
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:32.559
that happened, and it's the more I did it. And

1079
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:35.719
then even when I started working as a biologist, there's

1080
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:38.400
this idea that biolists don't believe in Bigfoot. And that's untrue,

1081
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:42.159
as extremely untrue. It's not saying it's every biolog just

1082
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:43.960
believes in Bigfoot, but it's definitely much more of a

1083
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:47.400
split topic people that work. So I worked with people

1084
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:50.000
that worked with endangered species. That's all we did, Like

1085
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:54.639
that's their whole career was endangered and extinct species. Yeah,

1086
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:58.039
and they were split on the subject, like you. I

1087
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:00.280
didn't encountered when I was young, and so I know

1088
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:03.079
Bigfoot exists. I don't know what Bigfoot is. I know

1089
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:04.079
bigfoot exists.

1090
00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:10.199
Something's there, right, But biologic.

1091
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:12.679
Are really really split on it. We've talked about the

1092
00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:16.239
peer review process too. People don't understand how peer review

1093
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:21.559
works and how it's not science. It's actually nonsense. Yeah,

1094
00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:23.880
do you know how peer review works personally.

1095
00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:28.800
To an extent, you know, but but not it's cursory.

1096
00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:33.159
Yeah, so your listeners at home so they know. It's

1097
00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:39.320
very simple. Excuse me, sorry, guys, it's very simple. A

1098
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:44.159
scientist at a lab works. He does not get a pick,

1099
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:46.239
so he can do whatever projects he wants on his

1100
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:51.440
so his lab time. The administrator that does not have

1101
00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:56.840
a scientific degree, has no background in science. The administrator

1102
00:57:56.880 --> 00:58:00.400
of that college or university or or project group will

1103
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:06.039
either assign him a study or will select what studies

1104
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:09.639
can even be in the process of peer review. So

1105
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:12.360
just because this scientist maybe wants to do bigfoot research

1106
00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:15.320
or once do anything in the paranormal doesn't matter. They

1107
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:18.519
have to do x y z because an administrator told him.

1108
00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:20.320
If do x y Z, they want to keep their

1109
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:23.519
lab hours. So for a paper to get to the

1110
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:27.360
peer review process means nothing. It means two administrators. So

1111
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:29.800
on the other end, if you want to do so,

1112
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:31.960
peer review is only but done by other scientists, right,

1113
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:35.639
but their administrator has to agree that they're allowed to

1114
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:40.400
peer reviewed it. So you have to have two administrators.

1115
00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:44.119
They have no scientific background. One has to pick the

1116
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:46.599
study for the scientists, the one has to agree that

1117
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:50.719
their scientists will peer review it. So it's all it's

1118
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:52.840
all just HR, it's all just administrators.

1119
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:56.679
It's all public relations or and or agenda driven.

1120
00:58:56.760 --> 00:59:00.239
Agenda. Yeah, has nothing to do with science, as apply,

1121
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:02.320
nothing to do with science or the science in the paper.

1122
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:04.760
So the peer review study process is the dumbest thing

1123
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:09.119
that it. The average person does not understand because the

1124
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:12.559
media we have painted that oh, if it's peer reviewed,

1125
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:15.639
it's you know, it's popular. It's right, it's good. They

1126
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:18.320
won't even let anything else come pre review. It doesn't

1127
00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:20.039
have to be controversial stuff. We did a couple of

1128
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:23.920
examples when we talked about it, that it was oh,

1129
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:31.400
cancer sells like cancer sell replication studies. That this college.

1130
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:33.800
The scientist had spent a lot of time working on

1131
00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:35.719
this project, a lot a lot of time, you know,

1132
00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:40.199
trying to for the betterment of humanity. His administrator didn't

1133
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:41.800
want the college to be known as the cancer college,

1134
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:45.440
so shut it down ten years of his life.

1135
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:47.039
That's insane.

1136
00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:49.719
So there's there's a paper out there about cancer sell

1137
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:54.960
something with that that a guy, a highly accredited scientist,

1138
00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:59.920
spent ten years of his life devoted to that. His adamant.

1139
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:01.679
But we don't want to we don't want to be

1140
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:04.800
the cancer college. That's it. That's the end of the

1141
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:08.039
process for that guy. It does not matter about the quality,

1142
01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:13.239
the time, the experiences, the experiments. That it has zero to

1143
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:16.360
do with that. It's all two admins have to agree

1144
01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:19.239
that they it looks okay for their college's reputations.

1145
01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:22.360
So it's crazy though that you actually have scientists that

1146
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:27.039
that say peer reviewed work is the gold standard, right

1147
01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:30.559
and lose their job, right.

1148
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:32.440
So what a farce?

1149
01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:36.000
Yeah, it not saying peer review is bad as far

1150
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:38.360
as if the study is peer review, all it means

1151
01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:41.960
for everybody at home is that two administrators with no

1152
01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:48.239
scientific background agreed that this study looks okay for their college.

1153
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:49.400
Right.

1154
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:51.920
So the two sciences have nothing to do with it.

1155
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:55.000
You know, once they're done and they publish their study

1156
01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:57.519
or whatever, they might even get their study published.

1157
01:00:57.159 --> 01:00:59.280
Right, And like you said, some you know, that doesn't

1158
01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:02.480
mean studies are bad. It just means studies that have

1159
01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:03.840
been peer reviewed or bad.

1160
01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:07.880
It's just that you know, but unpeer reviewed studies are

1161
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:08.400
good too.

1162
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:10.639
Yeah, exactly, look at.

1163
01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:12.440
The credits of the person, look at you know, look

1164
01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:14.000
into the person that's doing or the team.

1165
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:15.079
Uh.

1166
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:17.719
There's you know, several great research organizations out there right

1167
01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:20.239
now that they have They got the company I used

1168
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:24.079
to work for. They self published studies all the time,

1169
01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:27.400
great work. I trust all those scientists that did the work,

1170
01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:30.119
they never get peer reviewed because they didn't like the company.

1171
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:32.679
Yeah. Right, so they're just.

1172
01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:36.079
Gonna sit there limbo forever. But the information's out there.

1173
01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:43.039
Yeah, wow, crazy. I mean it opens up a lot

1174
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:47.760
of cans. When you're talking about you know, cryptids, bigfoots,

1175
01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:53.199
I mean, even mammoths and things like that. It's like,

1176
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:55.760
what what do we actually have evidence for?

1177
01:01:56.199 --> 01:02:01.480
Right? And whether it's DNA or it's you know, more

1178
01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:06.400
anecdotal type stuff or you know, you know what I'm saying.

1179
01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:09.320
And it's like, I'm sure there's papers written all the

1180
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:11.199
time that just get you know.

1181
01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:13.760
They limbo, They just limbo. And then a lot of

1182
01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:17.760
them go behind paywalls. Also, the university will hide them

1183
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:20.280
behind paywalls so you can't see the studies, especially, they

1184
01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:26.239
do not like them. Some of the big questions about sasquatch.

1185
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:27.199
Uh.

1186
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:29.920
I mean we love I love talking about Bigfoot, but

1187
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:32.639
I mean we're on high Bigfoot Jamboree. We'll see you

1188
01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:39.480
out there, yeah, October fourth, So Bigfoot, DNA, the hair

1189
01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:43.840
collection I did E DNA. I did that for a

1190
01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:46.639
big part of my job. E DNA is probably the

1191
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:51.440
most misused thing in the bigfoot community or cryptid paranormal

1192
01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:54.880
community right now period. There are tons of people that

1193
01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:59.920
just don't understand it. There are tons of people misuse

1194
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:02.360
it or misusing the terminology.

1195
01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:02.880
Right.

1196
01:03:03.559 --> 01:03:05.679
I felt really bad. We were speakers at a festival.

1197
01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:08.679
I felt really bad because I didn't watch the guy

1198
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:12.119
go on before us, and I don't know if he

1199
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:14.800
was personally lied to about d and A, but he

1200
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:16.599
had a chunk of DNA and his talk that was

1201
01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:18.880
like fifteen minutes and it was completely wrong. And we

1202
01:03:18.920 --> 01:03:23.480
had gone on right after him, and I had no idea.

1203
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:26.559
I had no idea, right, But the audience was like

1204
01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:31.639
really into asking me questions about the DNA. Oh, no idea,

1205
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:34.920
but he had it in his presentation. And then finally

1206
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:37.119
at the end, the lady's like, what's like the complete

1207
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:39.880
opposite the guy before you.

1208
01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:41.039
Oh, you just blew it up.

1209
01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:44.000
All right, Well, you're my accreditations. You can call where

1210
01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:46.840
I worked for I did it for a living, But

1211
01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:51.320
what do I know? No, So DNA it is in

1212
01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:56.840
its empasy. It does not work extremely well yet and

1213
01:03:57.079 --> 01:03:59.159
people act like it is the end all be all

1214
01:03:59.239 --> 01:03:59.920
right now.

1215
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:02.159
Yeah, well it's because it gives them what they want.

1216
01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:03.880
It's confirmation bias.

1217
01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:07.039
Right, So how it works is it's environmental DNA for

1218
01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:10.440
everybody at home is we take water, soil, air samples.

1219
01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:13.480
Water's the best holds DDA fragments and spreads over a

1220
01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:16.599
big area. So like if we did it in the

1221
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:19.320
Ohio River, you get you can get e DNA fragments

1222
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:23.239
from every species of plant, animal and other in that

1223
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:28.079
river shed watershed because everything that's shedding cells and going,

1224
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:31.119
you know, it's it's very it can pull very very

1225
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:34.880
very tiny DNA fragments. So after you do this, it's

1226
01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:39.519
a hard process. You can only do like three maybe

1227
01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:43.159
four samples a day because you have to get up early.

1228
01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:44.840
You have to do it when it's daylight. You can't

1229
01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:47.320
do it in the dark because of footed cynthusis you

1230
01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:49.199
have to do it during the day, but you have

1231
01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:53.199
to get it to the lab filtered by two PM

1232
01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:55.039
because the lab has to do their part after you

1233
01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:58.480
filter the sample. So it's only good for a couple

1234
01:04:58.519 --> 01:05:03.559
of hours. Like the nasty EDNA survey was a joke, right,

1235
01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:06.960
they did eighty five samples in one afternoon. It's impossible.

1236
01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:09.360
It was one guy did it. It's impossible. What he

1237
01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:10.840
did is he went down to the dock and collected

1238
01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:13.119
all the water from one spot, so the e DNA

1239
01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:15.760
sample for lock nests whatever. Four or five years ago.

1240
01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:19.599
They didn't get any river otter samples. And in the

1241
01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:21.199
picture of the guy to take in the samples, you

1242
01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:25.119
could see a river otter, right, So they didn't get

1243
01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:27.119
any samples, and he can he's physically you can see

1244
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:30.280
the animal. No, so they did it wrong. So it's

1245
01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:32.079
only as good as its database as well. So you

1246
01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:36.440
take all these samples and you put him into What

1247
01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:38.440
the computer basically does is it compares him to a

1248
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:44.199
database of known samples. Your database varies heavily. So if

1249
01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:46.920
you use a database, So let's say you did you

1250
01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:48.840
took a sample here in the cider river or the

1251
01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:51.119
Ohio River and you just did it with the database

1252
01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:54.840
that only has Ohio native species. You're gonna get tons

1253
01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:58.800
of unknown hits. Right, what do we have in zoos

1254
01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:00.880
and stuff like that. You're close enough, you're gonna have

1255
01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:05.679
lion DNA, not because they're not there, but what it

1256
01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:09.440
will come back as is unknown species, right, Not that

1257
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:12.440
it's unknown everywhere, it's just the database, the comparison database

1258
01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:15.760
you used is unknown. So all these DNA. That's some

1259
01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:17.840
of the TV shows for people at home, and they

1260
01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:22.840
do this samples and it says unknown species. Doesn't mean

1261
01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:28.320
it's bigfoot. It's all about the database they're using, not bigfoot.

1262
01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:29.639
I'm believing big foot. I've seen one.

1263
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:30.519
Uh.

1264
01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:33.239
But you know, TV is a thing you got to

1265
01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:36.800
kind of watch, you know, educate yourself. The other side

1266
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:41.320
of it is when you watch people. So yeah, I

1267
01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:46.320
hate it every time. And Jay and everybody collect hair yea,

1268
01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:49.199
and they're like face like there are two inches from it,

1269
01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:51.920
breathing on it. Yeah, gloved hands and they pick it up,

1270
01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:55.840
put it in. Just burnen that sample, right, you've contaminated

1271
01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:57.679
it to out. You know, when we would have two

1272
01:06:57.760 --> 01:07:00.199
sets of gloves, we'd have a set of gloves of

1273
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:01.719
a sterial bag that we'd have to open with a

1274
01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:04.880
set of gloves, right, and we'd have to wear a

1275
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:10.000
face mask and all anyways you can like primate or

1276
01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:13.000
human or you know, half human geno and all that. Yeah,

1277
01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:14.320
you breathed on it, you know.

1278
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:19.719
Right, or yeah, anything, your spit, your spit landed on it, right,

1279
01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:20.880
it's you.

1280
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:24.960
Or it's and then it'll come back, uh, contaminated. So

1281
01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:26.880
if it's too close to human, a lot of systems

1282
01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:30.159
will actually just kick it out as contaminated. So you

1283
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:31.880
have to really be looking at what you're doing. And

1284
01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:35.000
bigfoot DNA samples do not matter until you have a

1285
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:39.440
comparative sample. So for all these people at home, sorry,

1286
01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:42.760
bigfoot DNA does not matter until there's a dead one

1287
01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:44.360
on a slab that you can be like and then

1288
01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:49.119
you and you can retroactively test all those hair samples. Well,

1289
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:51.920
the best thing you're gonna get is unknown species. That's

1290
01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:53.840
the best. I mean, that's the best, you know, and

1291
01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:56.639
there's all the reasons it could come out. Uh so

1292
01:07:56.719 --> 01:07:59.800
e DNA is a big one. Yeah, I mean this

1293
01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:02.360
science find the sasquatches to talk. We do a lot

1294
01:08:02.599 --> 01:08:06.519
like another big one where's all the bones? Right, And

1295
01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:09.320
we talk about Allen Mlty Island, which is in Alaska,

1296
01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:12.920
has the highest grizzly bear population in the world. It

1297
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:15.639
has about thirty five thousand grizzly bears on this little

1298
01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:18.479
island is about four square miles. That's a lot of

1299
01:08:18.520 --> 01:08:19.199
grizzly bears.

1300
01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:20.640
Lot. Uh.

1301
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:23.520
Three percent of the population dies every year, three to

1302
01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:25.600
ten percent depending on how bad the year is because

1303
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:27.439
their birth rates and stuff like that. So it's it

1304
01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:30.920
evens out. So if you have thirty five thousand bears

1305
01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:34.239
and ten percent dies, as thirty five one hundred grizzly

1306
01:08:34.279 --> 01:08:36.880
bears are dying a year on this island. The head

1307
01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:39.399
biologists it was there, he'd been there for twenty two years.

1308
01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:43.199
He only ever found two dead grizzly bears that he

1309
01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:46.640
didn't much get killed. H and so the one had

1310
01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:47.680
a radio color on it too.

1311
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:56.319
That's that like kind of blows your mind a little bit, right, Like, Oh.

1312
01:08:55.119 --> 01:08:59.079
The University of Washington did studies. The average time for

1313
01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:03.479
an elk to be or unidentifiable from the carcass is

1314
01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:08.239
six days. So you have six days you know it,

1315
01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:10.239
depending where you are, you have six days to walk

1316
01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:14.159
up on a big Foot corpse. Yeah, it's unidentifiable. I mean,

1317
01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:15.600
how many times the people just think, oh, that's a

1318
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:18.199
weird bone, that's you know, a junk, and then there's

1319
01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:20.199
not nearly as many of them. I'm a big believer

1320
01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:25.199
that our population on the North American continent is around

1321
01:09:25.239 --> 01:09:29.560
fifteen to twenty thousand animals or beings, depending on how

1322
01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:31.159
you view it, like we're animals, but you know, so

1323
01:09:32.560 --> 01:09:34.880
twenty I'm going to guess around fifteen to twenty five

1324
01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:36.920
thousand somewhere in there. So twenty is a good number.

1325
01:09:37.319 --> 01:09:40.760
That's the North American continent. Everybody not so like Ohio

1326
01:09:40.880 --> 01:09:42.720
may have four hundred of them or three hundred of them.

1327
01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:45.199
You know, North Carolina may have two thousand of them.

1328
01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:47.359
You know, the Yukon may have fifty, you know, ten

1329
01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:53.479
thousand of though. You know, so they're spread out, highly migratory.

1330
01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:56.960
They do not migrate because the cold. I've had emails

1331
01:09:57.000 --> 01:09:59.399
about that. Well, Bigfoot's not scared of the cold. Animals

1332
01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:02.119
don't migrate fully because MAM's didn't migritc as the cold.

1333
01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:03.520
They are built for it. They followed the.

1334
01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:05.039
Food, right, you know.

1335
01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:08.600
They Bigfoot follows probably the spring fall.

1336
01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:12.199
Yeah, because I live in an area that gets freaking cold,

1337
01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:15.600
and we get a lot of snow right in upstate

1338
01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:20.159
New York. And we had the theory from our research

1339
01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:24.840
area that maybe they would leave in the winter and

1340
01:10:24.920 --> 01:10:28.319
like head south right at least to get whatever. But

1341
01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:32.479
it turns out that it's probably not the case, because

1342
01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:37.960
we've got instances where where we're dealing with evidence that

1343
01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:42.239
they're here in the winter, especially around my buddy's house

1344
01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:45.119
where we do this research and cold.

1345
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:48.479
It's more I'm a firm believer. It's definitely more food

1346
01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:52.520
and resource driven. I think they act much more like

1347
01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:58.880
nomadic humans or gorillas, with having a humongous territory and

1348
01:10:59.039 --> 01:11:01.640
maybe four miniature territories inside.

1349
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:02.199
Yeah.

1350
01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:04.239
Yeah, we're a quarter of the year we're here, so

1351
01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:06.600
they don't exhaust resources. A lot of animals do that, right.

1352
01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:09.600
Well, I just talked to I can't remember the name

1353
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:13.039
of the there was Sirens of something, Sirens of the Supernatural,

1354
01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:15.359
but he was talking about the wood Bugger, which is

1355
01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:18.000
just kind of like the the you know, one of

1356
01:11:18.039 --> 01:11:22.199
the southern the Blue Ridge Mountain version, right, And he

1357
01:11:22.319 --> 01:11:25.479
was talking about the park rangers that he knew and

1358
01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:28.600
had conversations with is in the winter, he goes, well,

1359
01:11:28.720 --> 01:11:31.079
this time of year, you got to go to the

1360
01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:34.399
other side of the ridge because that's where they're at.

1361
01:11:34.439 --> 01:11:35.680
It where the food's at.

1362
01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:37.960
And then during the summer they'll come back over to

1363
01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:41.760
the side of the ridge, right, just like just like elk,

1364
01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:45.479
just like bears, just like wolves.

1365
01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:46.439
Just like everything'd be like us.

1366
01:11:46.720 --> 01:11:50.039
Yeah, absolutely, we're in our nomadic stage. That's what we did.

1367
01:11:50.119 --> 01:11:54.720
We followed the food. It wasn't the cold in shelter.

1368
01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:59.119
And then we've even think we've identified a couple well

1369
01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:03.880
I believe are breeding areas, which well, how we how

1370
01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:09.439
we kind of determine that personally, is we look at behaviors. Right,

1371
01:12:10.039 --> 01:12:12.479
So there's an area, a couple of areas in the

1372
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:17.439
US where there's very very very terrifying big foot encounters

1373
01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:22.199
that nobody ever gets hurt in. Yeah, and they're constantly

1374
01:12:22.199 --> 01:12:24.399
the same, you know, the tree shakes, the bluff chargers,

1375
01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:27.880
the rocks, you know, being flung past my head, you know,

1376
01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:29.479
and then they'll follow you all with that car I'll

1377
01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:31.119
fall away to the campground. So what we kind of

1378
01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:34.439
think is and it's seasonal, it's very seasonal, and we

1379
01:12:34.520 --> 01:12:38.520
think it may be where they're either giving birth or

1380
01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:42.159
spending a couple of months after a berth to rear up.

1381
01:12:42.199 --> 01:12:46.319
So depending on which ape you look at. Humans, you know,

1382
01:12:46.359 --> 01:12:50.720
we have extremely long quote unquote baby stages. For sure,

1383
01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:53.880
we're born very our brains were born very large. Our

1384
01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:55.640
brains are born very big, so our heads have to

1385
01:12:55.640 --> 01:12:58.920
be collapsible to come out. Uh so we have there's

1386
01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:01.279
a lot, a lot of big learning curve. When you

1387
01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:04.640
look at more simple or more simple primates, you know,

1388
01:13:04.720 --> 01:13:06.920
their heads don't do that. They come out and they

1389
01:13:07.479 --> 01:13:10.159
little speech to the monkey or a lemur. You know,

1390
01:13:10.159 --> 01:13:13.880
they're good after two three days running around. Gorillas have

1391
01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:16.720
to be carried for a couple months. Yep, So that's

1392
01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:18.359
kind of what I look at. You know, gorilla's have

1393
01:13:18.399 --> 01:13:22.520
about two month period where of a really intensive baby

1394
01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:25.279
care where the baby can start hanging on or sitting

1395
01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:27.800
in a nest or you know, I think there may

1396
01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:30.119
be that stage. So if anybody didn't know the Ohio

1397
01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:32.119
Grassman how that kind of got started. It got coined

1398
01:13:32.119 --> 01:13:36.000
either monster Quests or something like that. It's not a

1399
01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:41.279
real Ohio name for bigfoot, but now it is so

1400
01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:45.119
in Hocking, which is where the baby site is. In

1401
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:48.479
my opinion, there is these woven tunnels in some of

1402
01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:51.800
the grass hills. So you see on TV the big

1403
01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:54.720
brown nest, and that's what they say. That's not what

1404
01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:58.279
they ever look like until TV before that. They look

1405
01:13:58.359 --> 01:14:01.800
like these big woven tunnels or they're big, but they're

1406
01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:04.319
you know, you can't see them from the outside. We've

1407
01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:06.680
actually been in one and you get into them and

1408
01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:08.399
you could sit in this tunnel of me, a three

1409
01:14:08.479 --> 01:14:12.640
hundred pounds adult man can sit in this tunnel comfortably.

1410
01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:15.960
And my buddy was, you know, fifteen feet from me

1411
01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:18.720
looking at me and couldn't see me or hear me

1412
01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:21.560
or nothing. Yeah, So I think there are these areas

1413
01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:25.039
where they're high abundance of food there. So anybody don't

1414
01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:28.479
know Hockey hills, there's tons and tons of ravines, valleys, ditches, canyons.

1415
01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:31.359
There's all these areas that humans, even though it's a

1416
01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:35.359
high trafficked area, can't get to very easily, and even

1417
01:14:35.359 --> 01:14:37.880
when they do, they hide their baby. So I think

1418
01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:39.960
that maybe that's where they're spending their first couple of months.

1419
01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:41.840
Just yeah, right, which makes sense.

1420
01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:45.760
Yeah, because they're bigfoot here in northwest Ohio, where I live.

1421
01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:49.720
But we are corn, so in the spring, it's much

1422
01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:53.000
harder to hide, it's much harder to get around and

1423
01:14:53.039 --> 01:14:53.640
not be seen.

1424
01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:54.479
For sure.

1425
01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:56.640
The summer, though, we have one hundred. You know, we

1426
01:14:56.680 --> 01:14:59.119
have tons and tons of big foot sightings in the

1427
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:02.720
corn or you see the heads and for us, you

1428
01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:06.079
know how bad your corn six and a half feet tall? Yeah,

1429
01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:09.199
sometimes our corns ten feet tall. Yeah, and people are

1430
01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:11.399
seeing the heads and shoulders of creatures.

1431
01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:12.359
Yeah.

1432
01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:16.920
I'm originally from Illinois and that's that's I get it. Yeah,

1433
01:15:17.079 --> 01:15:20.560
and I yeah, I've totally been bluff charged in Illinois,

1434
01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:23.760
also in Alaska, same same thing.

1435
01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:27.479
But yeah, that's fascinating stuff.

1436
01:15:27.560 --> 01:15:31.520
Man, That's the only bigfoot I'd be actually scared of

1437
01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:32.319
would be Alaska.

1438
01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:36.560
I mean, whatever it was, and it wasn't a bear,

1439
01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:39.439
and it wasn't a moose because we had already not

1440
01:15:39.479 --> 01:15:41.840
saying that we could.

1441
01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:44.840
But we could see a silhouette. Yeah, and it was massive.

1442
01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:50.720
It was absolutely horrendously massive, and you just feel like,

1443
01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:53.600
you know, we have the I always say, we have

1444
01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:59.800
our own royal field right as a human and you

1445
01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:05.239
can just feel things right, and this thing was massive,

1446
01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:08.520
whatever it was, it was over ten feet tall.

1447
01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:12.319
It was just massive. It's what the definition I like

1448
01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:12.800
to say is.

1449
01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:16.039
It was if you want to talk about a boreal sasquatch,

1450
01:16:16.840 --> 01:16:21.560
That's what it was. And it was insanely massive. You

1451
01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:24.399
could just feel it. Every time it moved, you could

1452
01:16:24.439 --> 01:16:29.119
feel the ground. There was like vibration. It was, yeah, terrify.

1453
01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:33.079
They get bigger, they get better, bigger than right from

1454
01:16:33.079 --> 01:16:36.960
the equator. And then when I say Alaska or the Yukon,

1455
01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:40.520
it's because I don't think Bigfoot it in the lower

1456
01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:43.479
forty eight. I think they do hurt people, and I

1457
01:16:43.479 --> 01:16:46.600
think a lot of times it's maybe provoked. I think

1458
01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:49.520
it's very rare for that to occur, at least in

1459
01:16:49.560 --> 01:16:54.199
the lower forty eight. In Alaska and the Yukon. It's hard.

1460
01:16:54.319 --> 01:16:57.399
It's hard to live the calories, calories you get to

1461
01:16:57.720 --> 01:16:58.319
you know.

1462
01:16:58.359 --> 01:17:01.319
You get the one food compat right have to.

1463
01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:04.800
That's where humans have eaten other humans. It's gotten hard

1464
01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:07.640
enough that we're all gonna die or we're gonna have

1465
01:17:07.640 --> 01:17:10.039
to eat each other. So I think Bigfoot would probably

1466
01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:13.039
it depends on what time of year. You know, maybe

1467
01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:15.720
a fall. You know, food is food at some point.

1468
01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:21.439
But like even the attacks we've heard here, and we've

1469
01:17:21.479 --> 01:17:23.319
you know, we've had people in the show, and we've

1470
01:17:23.359 --> 01:17:25.239
had you know, we've done a lot of historical reports,

1471
01:17:25.279 --> 01:17:28.680
Adam Bendix's Are at Home, Adam Benedict's books, Monsters in

1472
01:17:28.720 --> 01:17:32.159
Print and Oddities in Print. He just went through the

1473
01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:36.039
Library of Congress and literally pulled articles from always sixteen

1474
01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:40.840
hundreds and into like the nineteen twenties is a range,

1475
01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:44.199
and we use it all the time because it's just

1476
01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:47.279
such a good resources read. Bigfoot was shot and attack

1477
01:17:47.359 --> 01:17:50.359
two people. But no, it seems like a lot of

1478
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:54.479
the violent attacks, like actual herding attacks here in the

1479
01:17:54.520 --> 01:17:57.880
Lower forty, it have been they shot at him, or

1480
01:17:57.920 --> 01:18:00.199
they shot at a kid, like Abe Canyon. Yeah, uh,

1481
01:18:01.039 --> 01:18:04.800
story of Ape Canyon. Listen to Yeah, uh, they shot

1482
01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:07.319
one off a cliff, a baby because there's a there's

1483
01:18:07.319 --> 01:18:10.359
six foot tall. They shot one and then they all

1484
01:18:10.399 --> 01:18:11.039
hell broke loose.

1485
01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:14.039
Well you shot hell broke loose, right, Yeah, just like

1486
01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:16.680
it would be if everything.

1487
01:18:16.760 --> 01:18:18.600
Yeah, there's gonna be problems.

1488
01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:22.000
There's gonna be serious, serious problems, real fast.

1489
01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:25.079
And there's a lot of that. It just seems to

1490
01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:27.479
be a lot of that with the Bigfoot. Violent I

1491
01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:31.560
don't think agreed they were grabbing people. I think, I

1492
01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:32.720
mean we'd know about anything.

1493
01:18:33.119 --> 01:18:35.119
You would have a lot more, you know, I mean

1494
01:18:35.239 --> 01:18:38.279
we always have like missing for one one and whatnot.

1495
01:18:38.439 --> 01:18:44.199
But but yeah, so right exactly, it could be so

1496
01:18:44.359 --> 01:18:51.399
many things. Right, so we could literally talk all day.

1497
01:18:51.439 --> 01:18:58.520
But I want you to promote uh the Ohio Bigfoot

1498
01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:04.039
Jamboree jamber, give it a good plug, and then tell

1499
01:19:04.119 --> 01:19:07.520
us where our listeners can find you. I mean we did,

1500
01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:11.560
they started the podcast that way. But again, tell everyone

1501
01:19:11.560 --> 01:19:12.439
where they can find you.

1502
01:19:12.720 --> 01:19:15.079
All right, So once again it's crypt is the Corn Podcast.

1503
01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:18.079
You can find out any podcast catcher. Uh. You can

1504
01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:21.039
find all our information at cribscorn dot com for everything,

1505
01:19:21.079 --> 01:19:24.880
including the jamboree. I'll talk about that in a second. Yeah,

1506
01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:28.720
podcasts everywhere, or cribscorn dot com, cribs Corn podcast at

1507
01:19:28.720 --> 01:19:30.199
gmail dot com for the email you want to reach

1508
01:19:30.199 --> 01:19:33.880
out to us, that'd be perfect. Uh. So the jambree

1509
01:19:33.880 --> 01:19:36.119
the hobbig Foot Jamboree is the Cribs of Corn Bigfoot

1510
01:19:36.119 --> 01:19:37.800
Festival in our hometown of Ada, Ohio.

1511
01:19:38.600 --> 01:19:39.000
Uh.

1512
01:19:39.079 --> 01:19:41.159
We were extremely blessed last year. We had thirty five

1513
01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:44.079
hundred people show up with three countries represented. We had

1514
01:19:44.159 --> 01:19:46.239
amazing speakers. We had so much fun. It's an all

1515
01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:49.640
weekend kind of thing. We're still working on this year's details,

1516
01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:53.560
but I can tell you some of the speakers like, sorry,

1517
01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:55.880
uh Ron Murphy.

1518
01:19:56.560 --> 01:19:56.960
Uh.

1519
01:19:56.960 --> 01:19:59.920
He's been on everything from Mount or not Mount once

1520
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:03.399
or so I'm sorry, uh Monster Quest. He's been on

1521
01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:06.680
a lot of small Town Monsters productions. He's a researcher.

1522
01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:08.560
He's probably the guy if you want to know anything

1523
01:20:08.600 --> 01:20:12.640
about the invasion on Chestnut Ridge, the Bigfoot alien invasion.

1524
01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:15.479
He is the guy. He spent months and months there

1525
01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:17.840
doing research. He's several books. His books are really great,

1526
01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:22.359
well thought out. What uh Ron does is he sits.

1527
01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:25.399
He'll literally go to the area for weeks and weeks interview,

1528
01:20:25.640 --> 01:20:31.039
walk through the walk the path or speakers. Uh Tony Merkle,

1529
01:20:31.079 --> 01:20:33.800
this is the first time I'm announcing this, so uh

1530
01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:38.359
Tony Merle one of our speakers this year. So he's

1531
01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:42.960
actually speaking and he hates speaking. So uh, we appreciate Tony.

1532
01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:44.800
We love Tony to death. He's a dear friend of ours.

1533
01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:50.439
That's uh Connor and Alex our speakers. They're from the

1534
01:20:50.479 --> 01:20:54.119
Cincinnati Zoo. They're both high level zoologists that are going

1535
01:20:54.199 --> 01:20:56.479
to be talking about the science behind the sasquatch.

1536
01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:57.760
For the last year too.

1537
01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:01.760
They were they weren't speakers, but they were. But they're

1538
01:21:01.800 --> 01:21:02.479
actually taking.

1539
01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:04.920
I've heard him, I've heard him speak before, though I

1540
01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:07.079
feel like maybe through.

1541
01:21:06.920 --> 01:21:09.199
The show and stuff like that. This is the first

1542
01:21:09.239 --> 01:21:12.359
public as far as speaking experience about Bigfoot. But they're

1543
01:21:12.399 --> 01:21:14.199
taking it as too high level zoologists.

1544
01:21:14.319 --> 01:21:14.680
Uh.

1545
01:21:15.119 --> 01:21:17.880
Alex actually does, which is uh, it's a husband and

1546
01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:24.000
wife duo. Her specialty right now is cetacean behaviors in language.

1547
01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:27.439
So they're playing that to big Foot.

1548
01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:27.880
Uh.

1549
01:21:28.159 --> 01:21:30.159
You know, I'm a big guy of whales, but uh,

1550
01:21:30.720 --> 01:21:34.359
and we're speakers. And then I'm forgetting somebody, and I

1551
01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:39.159
feel horrible. Who am I forgetting? It's it's what happens

1552
01:21:39.199 --> 01:21:42.920
when I get put on the spot. Uh Ron Connor

1553
01:21:42.920 --> 01:21:48.760
and Alex oh uh Randy from the Minnesota big Foot Homestead.

1554
01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:51.880
He's been on him, He's been on the shows for

1555
01:21:52.439 --> 01:21:54.800
the podcast circuit forever. As far as I know, this

1556
01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:57.920
is like his second ever like public speaking about his property.

1557
01:21:58.479 --> 01:22:01.159
He has much more of the super natural sasquatches on

1558
01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:04.000
his property. He's got a lot of weird pictures and

1559
01:22:04.079 --> 01:22:08.199
the sea squatchs and Doug Hijack have been to his

1560
01:22:08.239 --> 01:22:09.359
property and that kind of stuff.

1561
01:22:09.439 --> 01:22:12.039
Yeah yeah, yeah, speaking of months request.

1562
01:22:12.159 --> 01:22:15.039
Yeah, Doug Hijack, Yeah yeah, Doug's actually been on his

1563
01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:17.600
property many times. So Randy, you listen, he's been on

1564
01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:20.159
our show three times. If you listen to it, it

1565
01:22:20.319 --> 01:22:23.239
sounds like he's making it all up. But we've had

1566
01:22:23.319 --> 01:22:25.039
so many people that we know that have gone on

1567
01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:27.760
his property and experience the same things.

1568
01:22:27.960 --> 01:22:28.359
Yeah.

1569
01:22:28.439 --> 01:22:32.479
Right, It's it's all sounds crazy, but there's people I trust,

1570
01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:35.960
and I trust Randy. I'm just saying outside people.

1571
01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:40.119
Well, it's always good to get, you know, other confirmation

1572
01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:40.720
of course.

1573
01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:41.199
Right.

1574
01:22:41.560 --> 01:22:43.520
So the speakers, there's gonna be tickets available, They go

1575
01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:46.000
on sale March fifteenth. The rest of the events free,

1576
01:22:46.039 --> 01:22:47.960
the vendors market, there's gonna be a kids area, there's

1577
01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:50.880
meeting sasquatch. There's gonna be a little museum set up

1578
01:22:50.920 --> 01:22:54.560
with everything from Bigfoot cast to local history to sighting

1579
01:22:54.600 --> 01:22:58.319
boards and that kind of trucks. Huh yeah, the drugs, yep.

1580
01:22:58.640 --> 01:23:03.319
Nice. I don't know why I asked that. I love

1581
01:23:03.359 --> 01:23:04.000
food trucks.

1582
01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:07.520
It's better, It's better than most restaurants anymore.

1583
01:23:07.800 --> 01:23:10.760
Yeah right, I mean it's and it's like so many

1584
01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:13.359
of them are just like artisans, you know, And that's

1585
01:23:13.399 --> 01:23:14.159
it's really.

1586
01:23:13.960 --> 01:23:18.119
Cool cooking it in a truck. It's because you love cooking.

1587
01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:21.760
And what you've what you're cooking, you've perfected it.

1588
01:23:21.920 --> 01:23:24.680
Usually usually as long as the food truck has like

1589
01:23:24.760 --> 01:23:27.640
three items, yeah right, give you like this. All we

1590
01:23:27.680 --> 01:23:29.319
do is brisket. I'll take for it.

1591
01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:32.760
I'll take except your brisket. No.

1592
01:23:32.920 --> 01:23:35.000
So it's it's a ton of fun tickets like we

1593
01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:36.760
do VIP dinners, meet and greets. We have a ton

1594
01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:39.960
of fun like everything for bigfoot calling contests to uh,

1595
01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:41.880
monster dress up dress up, I don't care if it's

1596
01:23:41.880 --> 01:23:43.880
a movie monster or cryptid dress up is your favorite.

1597
01:23:44.039 --> 01:23:45.840
We had some really fun ones. We had some really

1598
01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:47.159
elaborate ones last year.

1599
01:23:48.039 --> 01:23:48.279
Uh.

1600
01:23:48.319 --> 01:23:51.000
And then the monster calling contests or the bigfoot calling

1601
01:23:51.039 --> 01:23:53.399
contest we had is because we do it in the

1602
01:23:53.439 --> 01:23:56.279
Ada Park, they more Moral Park. You can find all

1603
01:23:56.279 --> 01:23:58.840
this information on cribs ofcorn dot comment with the big

1604
01:23:58.880 --> 01:24:02.920
Foot jambreetab we did it and there was a visiting

1605
01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:05.399
soccer team that had no idea. In the other side,

1606
01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:11.760
we had these giant lounge and people are filming it

1607
01:24:11.800 --> 01:24:15.239
and posting it online, Like what the heck is going on?

1608
01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:19.439
Tons of bigfoots walking around. We have a couple of

1609
01:24:19.479 --> 01:24:22.039
our own bigfoots you can meet, but I know for

1610
01:24:22.039 --> 01:24:23.800
a fact there'll be several other big foots, Like I

1611
01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:27.640
believe CT Clyde, which is the representative of the Hocking

1612
01:24:27.680 --> 01:24:30.960
Hills Bigfoot Festival. I think he's coming this year. He's

1613
01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:33.880
another friend bigfoot of ours. All the bigfoots we have

1614
01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:35.319
you for you to get your picture with all that

1615
01:24:35.359 --> 01:24:38.359
we don't do. And one more is wild Bill from

1616
01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:42.239
Mountain Monsters. Uhby didn't see the Mountain Master TV show.

1617
01:24:42.479 --> 01:24:44.840
It is the single best TV show ever made. I

1618
01:24:44.880 --> 01:24:46.800
love those guys to death. Wild Bill has become a

1619
01:24:46.800 --> 01:24:48.880
personal friend of ours. I watched them on TV and

1620
01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:50.760
now out with them.

1621
01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:52.840
Uh it's exit entertaining.

1622
01:24:53.640 --> 01:24:55.479
Now, I didn't say anything about that. It is one

1623
01:24:55.520 --> 01:24:59.319
hundred entertaining, yes. And what I say about Mountain Monsters

1624
01:24:59.840 --> 01:25:03.479
is they did a great purpose for the cryptic community

1625
01:25:03.560 --> 01:25:07.319
because they pushed the envelope so far the other way. Yeah,

1626
01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:10.520
talking like this is in the middle. Now, you think

1627
01:25:10.520 --> 01:25:13.239
about twenty years ago, you couldn't do, like, we'd be nuts,

1628
01:25:13.479 --> 01:25:17.840
we'd bet this. But shows like Mountain monsters, Oh shoot,

1629
01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:20.920
you know, just yelling chasing down Stanley Gasters fighting them

1630
01:25:20.920 --> 01:25:21.640
with shotguns in the.

1631
01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:25.039
Middle of the right right right, they're age.

1632
01:25:25.319 --> 01:25:28.640
They've got one caged and trapped and you know.

1633
01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:31.279
This giant and then Buck got possessed by the Cherokee devil.

1634
01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:33.640
Right, so good.

1635
01:25:34.079 --> 01:25:36.159
They pushed it so far in all honesty, they pushed

1636
01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:38.920
the envelope so far the other way that now we

1637
01:25:38.960 --> 01:25:42.239
can have normal conversations about this. And so they did

1638
01:25:42.279 --> 01:25:43.800
a great But wow, for.

1639
01:25:43.760 --> 01:25:46.720
Guys like us, the stigma's like gone now, Like people

1640
01:25:46.800 --> 01:25:49.560
hear that, oh you do a podcast and you talk

1641
01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:53.800
about sus because I do active research too, and people

1642
01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:57.760
are like, wait, I don't get hardly any of that anymore.

1643
01:25:57.880 --> 01:26:01.720
I mean I still get you, but it's not like

1644
01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:05.600
it was, uh, you know, five ten years ago.

1645
01:26:06.199 --> 01:26:08.439
Grandpa before he passed, talking about in the eighties, like

1646
01:26:08.439 --> 01:26:09.880
if you came in and said to a bar you've

1647
01:26:09.880 --> 01:26:12.760
seen a big foot, they'd throw it. They beat you up, Yeah,

1648
01:26:12.840 --> 01:26:15.760
they throw you out of the bar because you said

1649
01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:16.680
you've seen a bigfoot.

1650
01:26:16.920 --> 01:26:17.359
Yeah.

1651
01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:20.039
And now we're out here, there's there's festivals that have

1652
01:26:20.119 --> 01:26:22.960
sixty five thousand people coming out and hang out just

1653
01:26:22.960 --> 01:26:24.159
talking about Bigfoot all weekend.

1654
01:26:24.199 --> 01:26:27.279
I mean, my wife just went to uh Woodstock, New

1655
01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:30.279
York for a girl's weekend, and she brought me home

1656
01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:33.279
from a regular gift shop, brought me home a pair

1657
01:26:33.279 --> 01:26:37.159
of bigfoot socks. Yeah, you know, and she's like, this

1658
01:26:37.319 --> 01:26:40.680
wasn't the only thing that was there, you know, especially

1659
01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:43.600
especially in upstate New York. Here you've got the Adirondacks

1660
01:26:43.640 --> 01:26:48.359
and the catskills and target rich environment, you know, so

1661
01:26:48.640 --> 01:26:49.560
it's really funny.

1662
01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:52.399
So yeah, wild Bill will be there. Uh he's great

1663
01:26:52.399 --> 01:26:54.920
with kids. He never talks about it, but he does

1664
01:26:54.920 --> 01:26:56.640
tons of charity work. So I always talk about it

1665
01:26:56.640 --> 01:26:59.359
because he'll never ever mention it. Right, including when we

1666
01:26:59.399 --> 01:27:03.479
had the hurric of the flooding real bad in Tennessee

1667
01:27:03.600 --> 01:27:07.039
and Kentucky. He was up and so that was right

1668
01:27:07.079 --> 01:27:10.319
before our festival last year. Up until the day he

1669
01:27:10.399 --> 01:27:13.319
got there, he was down there for like a week

1670
01:27:13.319 --> 01:27:16.760
and a half, chainsawd and doing relief work. He literally

1671
01:27:16.760 --> 01:27:18.920
got to the hotel still chains on the bed of

1672
01:27:18.920 --> 01:27:22.239
his truck covered in mud. He I mean, he went

1673
01:27:22.279 --> 01:27:24.319
to the last second because he didn't want to miss

1674
01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:26.520
the festival. But he spent every you know, every bit

1675
01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:30.359
of time, Yeah, doing something for somebody else. Uh, so

1676
01:27:30.399 --> 01:27:32.800
he'll be there. He's always so much fun. Get your picture.

1677
01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:35.520
I think he does like ten or twenty bucks a print.

1678
01:27:35.560 --> 01:27:38.319
Pay the man. He's awesome, right, But we have so

1679
01:27:38.399 --> 01:27:40.760
much fun. It's just we wanted to bring one home

1680
01:27:41.560 --> 01:27:44.479
because we do these all over the country break and

1681
01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:48.840
our town was kind of split on it because council

1682
01:27:48.880 --> 01:27:50.560
half of them We're like, that's the dumbest thing I've

1683
01:27:50.560 --> 01:27:52.520
ever heard of. We don't want nothing to do with it.

1684
01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:56.279
Our park is not ran by our town though, so

1685
01:27:56.399 --> 01:27:57.960
the park guys are like, that's.

1686
01:27:57.800 --> 01:27:59.560
All, yeah, let's do it.

1687
01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:03.279
How much what do we gotta do? And so uh

1688
01:28:03.640 --> 01:28:05.239
the town some of the town hated it. Some of

1689
01:28:05.239 --> 01:28:07.560
the town loved it, which I love because some of

1690
01:28:07.560 --> 01:28:10.039
the town hates me and some of the town loves me. Right,

1691
01:28:10.439 --> 01:28:12.680
that's all the plugs, I think I remembered everything. Tickets

1692
01:28:12.720 --> 01:28:16.319
go on sale crimscorn dot com March fifteenth. There's a

1693
01:28:16.439 --> 01:28:18.680
very limited number of the speaker VIP tickets and the

1694
01:28:18.720 --> 01:28:20.680
VIP dinner like it's all one. If you buy a

1695
01:28:20.760 --> 01:28:24.560
VIP ticket. You get this the Friday night meet and greet, dinner, games,

1696
01:28:24.600 --> 01:28:27.399
and then the Saturday the speakers. Everything else is free.

1697
01:28:27.479 --> 01:28:30.640
There's gonna be a free kids room with drawing and

1698
01:28:30.720 --> 01:28:33.119
like mini speakers and like or they'll do like a

1699
01:28:33.159 --> 01:28:36.159
fifteen minute talk instead of an hour talk more more

1700
01:28:36.239 --> 01:28:39.760
aimed at families, so the kids on ye for an hour. Uh,

1701
01:28:40.119 --> 01:28:41.920
there's gonna be like I said, the Track Museum, there's

1702
01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:44.039
gonna be bigfoots. There's gonna be a full scale model

1703
01:28:44.079 --> 01:28:46.960
of Bigfoot out there, so you can see how big

1704
01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:50.000
these guys actually get. Well, it's only about eight foot,

1705
01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:52.079
you know, you were in Alaska. Or they say they

1706
01:28:52.079 --> 01:28:55.079
get to twelve, which is just a whole different thing.

1707
01:28:55.479 --> 01:28:59.199
It's a whole different animal literally like weight wise, and.

1708
01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:03.000
I mean, but you see how big an Ohio Bigfoot

1709
01:29:03.039 --> 01:29:04.079
is on average, right right.

1710
01:29:04.720 --> 01:29:04.840
Uh.

1711
01:29:05.800 --> 01:29:07.319
But yeah, it's gonna be so much fun and we

1712
01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:09.079
look forward to hopefully seeing you out there too.

1713
01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:13.199
Yeah. I will be well, I'm not gonna guarantee it,

1714
01:29:13.199 --> 01:29:15.319
but we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it on

1715
01:29:15.479 --> 01:29:20.680
later episodes of this podcast, because I've got to make sure,

1716
01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:22.199
but I have it.

1717
01:29:22.359 --> 01:29:26.359
I have it in the the first hurdle has been crossed,

1718
01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:28.800
which I have it in the calendar.

1719
01:29:28.720 --> 01:29:30.520
The October fourth, October fourth.

1720
01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:33.920
I never said the Yeah, the calendar October fourth, So

1721
01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:37.119
I have it in my calendar. So that's half the

1722
01:29:37.159 --> 01:29:40.479
battle right there, because if it's not in the calendar,

1723
01:29:40.520 --> 01:29:43.760
it's not real, right, Yeah, I get it.

1724
01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:46.479
I do the same thing. But yeah, I think that's

1725
01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:48.039
all the plugs. Like I said, I'm bad about this.

1726
01:29:48.079 --> 01:29:48.920
I wish Jay was here.

1727
01:29:49.439 --> 01:29:53.840
Well either way, justin amazing. Thanks for joining us today,

1728
01:29:54.079 --> 01:29:58.680
and we need to do it again. You can come next,

1729
01:29:58.880 --> 01:30:05.520
Oh sure, whenever, whenever you want. So all right, man,

1730
01:30:05.760 --> 01:30:09.840
I totally appreciate it, and uh I will talk to

1731
01:30:09.880 --> 01:30:10.640
you again soon.

1732
01:30:11.279 --> 01:30:12.239
Sounds good.

1733
01:30:13.720 --> 01:30:16.920
Yeah, I got bad thoughts that make my mind scared.

1734
01:30:17.039 --> 01:30:19.920
Hold me hostage and they don't fight fair. Who gonna

1735
01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:20.479
pray for me?

1736
01:30:20.520 --> 01:30:22.800
And wipe on my tests? Who's gonna save me?

1737
01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:25.760
If you're not right here? Move this darkness and make

1738
01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:28.239
my sight clear to take me your way because I

1739
01:30:28.239 --> 01:30:30.239
don't like you. Don stop my past.

1740
01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:32.399
They feel in the night here, wake me up.

1741
01:30:32.439 --> 01:30:34.159
I'm trapped in my nightmass.

1742
01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:54.920
You trapped in my nightmass, trying and trying and not

1743
01:30:55.119 --> 01:30:57.520
month to deepen Apparition SLF.

1744
01:30:57.600 --> 01:31:00.840
All my demis, all my thoughts. I come intries it

1745
01:31:01.079 --> 01:31:01.800
all alone.

1746
01:31:01.880 --> 01:31:02.680
I'm gonna hear me.

1747
01:31:02.680 --> 01:31:07.199
Screaming manifestations on my fierce regrets.

1748
01:31:06.880 --> 01:31:09.319
That stretched out for light years. You can almost touch

1749
01:31:09.359 --> 01:31:12.319
the light. Holie just right there, party free but tracting

1750
01:31:12.439 --> 01:31:16.960
my nightmare. I'm don't let me ja all the life.

1751
01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:17.680
Of fade now.

1752
01:31:18.199 --> 01:31:21.760
All my life is faith now, all my life is.

1753
01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:23.319
Face and matter way.

1754
01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:31.319
I don't let my life is facing. My life is fading,

1755
01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:42.880
attracting my Nightmas.

1756
01:32:00.760 --> 01:32:29.319
Trip Lash school a