May 23, 2025

Chasing Legends: An Interview with Aleksandar Petakov of Small Town Monsters

Chasing Legends: An Interview with Aleksandar Petakov of Small Town Monsters
Chasing Legends: An Interview with Aleksandar Petakov of Small Town Monsters
The Broadcasting Seeds Podcast
Chasing Legends: An Interview with Aleksandar Petakov of Small Town Monsters
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Aleksandar Petakov—best known for his work with the Small Town Monsters crew—to explore the art and adventure of cryptid documentary filmmaking. Born in 1993 in South Africa and raised in the U.S., Aleksandar earned a BA in Communications (with minors in History & Political Science) from Quinnipiac University in 2015 and has since made the wilderness his classroom and the unknown his subject. Together, we journey through:

  • Bigfoot: Beyond the Trail, Aleksandar’s flagship documentary series on Sasquatch investigations (over 40 episodes and 20 million+ views on the Small Town Monsters YouTube channel)
  • His painstaking research into New Hampshire sightings—more than 50 documented cases that fuel his upcoming Granite State Bigfoot film and database project
  • The genesis of his Strange Places series (2024), from haunted mines to Cold War radar installations, and what drives him to chase the world’s most enigmatic locations
“I’m always chasing that moment when folklore meets hard evidence—when you catch a glimpse of something inexplicable through the lens.” What You’ll Learn:
  • How to transform field investigations into compelling narratives
  • The ethics of documenting eyewitness testimony in cryptozoology
  • Why New England remains a hotbed for high-strangeness phenomena
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and we're not and we are here and live all right.

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So Alexander, tell us who you are and what you do.

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Yeah, I'm a filmmaker, kind of a cryptozoology researcher, enthusiast, adventurer.

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That's a big part of it is getting out there

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and really exploring and you know, checking out some of

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these areas to their full potential. I do a lot

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of films and videos, mostly with production company called Small

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Town Monsters sort of specialize in strange folklore a lot

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of small communities and rural communities across the United States,

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but other places as well. You know, we've done stuff

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in Canada too, so we have a pretty broad focus.

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And I mostly do a lot of Bigfoot investigations and

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films about the big Foot topic, but I've done plenty

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of other stuff as well, some UFOs, lake monsters, anything

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kind of generally unknown is stuff that I'm into. So,

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you know, right up right up your alley as well.

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Absolutely, So, what what was your gateway into this whole thing? Like,

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what was your first you know, oh my god, I

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love Bigfoot or you know, lake monsters or whatever it was.

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Yeah, So I was a kid of the nineties, so

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there was a lot of, you know, interesting stuff going on.

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Then you have the X Files is a big popular.

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Time, but my gateway was probably my dad telling me

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the story of the Yetti, something about that tale the

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Himalayas and going up in the mountains and seeing you

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just get the kind of terrain. It just it just

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really spoke to me, and I thought, well, it's interesting,

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it might be something to it. So I started reading

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a lot of stuff on those topics. And inevitably, once

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you read, you go to local library or your school

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library and you pick out a book about mysterious creatures.

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You know it's gonna have bigfoot chapters, but it's also

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going to have nassy, chupacabra all sorts of other cryptids

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and creatures. So you get exposed to all that and say,

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okay that I find that one kind of cool.

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That one I don't really care for, but this one's interesting.

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So that's the kind of how I got into it,

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sort of watching a lot of documentaries, Like I said,

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X Files at the time, a show called Animal X.

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When I was a little bit older, Monster Request. I

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was big on TV, and yeah, that's kind of what

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really got me into it, and I didn't start really

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doing it myself until later on. You know, I was

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kind of I had a waning kind of interest when

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I was in college and that sort of time period,

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but priorities are so different then, you know, You've got

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so much other things going on in life that I

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wasn't as concerned. But then, you know, one point after college,

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I just kind of that was when finding Bigfoot was

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really popular. I was starting to get more interested in

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the topic of Bigfoot again, and I started saying, well, man,

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you know, I studied communications and I was doing a

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lot of video work and film work as it was,

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and I thought, man, i'd love to do I love

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the documentary medium, Like that's my favorite medium, I should say.

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I said, hey, why don't I just do my own

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little kind of short documentaries. I was when YouTube was

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really starting to take off, so it was very easy

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to just post stuff and kind of see where it went.

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So that's where I started doing a little shorter documentaries

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on the cryptid topic. And I kind of led into

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one thing into another thing, and almost a decade later,

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here I am, you know, doing all this awesome stuff

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and had the awesome opportunities I've had with small town

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monsters and you know elsewhere it's been.

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It's been a fun ride.

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Yeah, absolutely. So I see, I a little bit of

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research on you, and you went to college in Connecticut.

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I did.

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So where where did you grow up? What brought you

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to Connecticut?

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Uh?

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I so I grew up in New Hampshire.

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Okay, So so I didn't realize if you grew it

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was it.

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Was pretty close. Yeah. I just school Quinnipiac. You know,

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they had a pretty good communications program and I was

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interested in So that's what kind of drew me there.

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You know, looking back on it, Connecticut probably not the

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best place. I mean the food there is amazing, but

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nature wise, you know, I love mountains and wilderness areas

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a lot of time in those places now like here

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in New Hampshire and elsewhere. So Connecticut wasn't the best

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for that, but only for four years.

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But not bad. Not bad. By quinnipe You had sleeping

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giant right there.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, nice food.

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Like I said, the food's amazing, I mean New Haven style.

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So I'm from Connecticut, like I grew up there. Well,

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I shouldn't say grew up from thirteen to eighteen, I

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lived there.

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But so, yeah, you had some some pretty important years there.

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Yeah, and my my whole family was from there, so

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so yeah, and we lived in New Haven, which is

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right by Quinnipiac. So yeah.

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I was actually just in Stratford, Connecticut this past Oh

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it was a Two Roads brewery.

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They had this kind of cryptid event.

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I went and did a little talk about some of

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my adventures, and of course I had to make sure

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I went to my favorite sandwich spot in Hamden, Connecticut,

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and then I also got some New Haven pizza on

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the way back, because probably the best in the world.

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I mean, it's pretty damn good.

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It's very good.

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You know.

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My pizza ranking is like New Haven Pizza, New York,

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New Jersey's right kind of under there.

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I even prefer that kind of New Haven style over

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some of the pizzas I've tried, and like it'll in Europe, yeah,

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they don't do him as well done over there. I've

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watched a few of his videos. It's funny. I have

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the IVAS app and I'll check i'm in an area,

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like what's the best pizza place around? He's got a

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pretty good app. But yeah, so Connecticut. You know, there's

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some weird stories in Connecticut. There's like Dudley Town, there's

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some strange random places. There's ghost stories, there's a few

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Bigfoot stories. You know, I knew a few people that

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were into the Bigfoot stuff in Connecticut, but most of

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the Bigfoot stories seem to come from like the northeast

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part of Connecticut, so over by Rhode Island in Massachusetts.

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You know the Mohegan Sun, that whole strip, it's got

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a lot of woods, and then the yeah we.

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Yeah, Ago and I did some stop offs there. It

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was pretty awesome.

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The northwest side of the states, the other side that

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has a lot of Bigfoot stories because's where the Appalation

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Trail runs through.

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You've got the Appalation.

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Trail, you know, kind of that border with Massachusetts New York.

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So but ultimately, Connecticut is a very you know, urban

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and kind of suburban. There's not a lot of space.

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It's a it's a very populated state. So there's not

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a lot going on in terms of some of that

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kind of stuff that I guess I'm more interested in Connecticut.

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Yeah, So you how did you get into film, Like

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what what what made that your choice of medium.

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I was always just kind of into the documentary scene especially,

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that's sort of and I'd done plenty of documentaries even

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in my free time, you know, before and you know,

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I started working in video production, and you know, I

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did various stuff with some productions, some Hollywood productions that

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would do stuff locally in the New England area. I

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worked as like a production assistant locations manager. I did

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some stuff for like Hallmark Movies, even a couple of

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movies like Gus Van Sant did a movie out here.

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I got to work for Matthew McConaughey's stunt double, which

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is really interesting. So I was doing that and I

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was kind of like, that's not really what I want

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to do. So after I got out of school, I

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kind of went into like the advertising space and Boston area.

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That was not rewarding at all, you know. It's it

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was like, you know, it pays the bills and it

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is what it is, but you're still you're kind of

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on that grind, whereas.

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On the side, I was still corporate side.

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Yeah. Yeah, and I wasn't doing anything too crazy, you know,

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And I worked for like five six years. I was

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commuting back and forth from southern New Hampshire to Boston,

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which is just pretty grueling, you know, that commute because

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Boston has really bad traffic. But I just I was

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always doing stuff on the side, my own documentaries, like

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I did when I'd traveled to Lochness in twenty fifteen,

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and I did a little documentary on that, And then

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I started doing these short bigfoot interviews, and I started

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a YouTube channel called Sasquatch Out of the Shadows just

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to post these, you know. Sometimes they were just almost

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unedited interviews, very minimally edited, maybe with just some music

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and some bureau of like Bigfoot eye witnesses. I wanted

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to originally do a feature film about Sasquatch, and I

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realized I had so much material i'd filmed. I was like,

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you know what, I'm just going to do episodic stuff.

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And that's when I started doing that on YouTube. And

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at some point, like twenty sixteen or so, Seth Breedlove

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from Small Town Monsters reached out and said, hey, I

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really like your Locknest film. I'd like to show it

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at an event I'm doing in Ohio. And I'm like,

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oh God, somebody wants to show this pos you know,

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I'm like, oh man, I'm surprised somebody actually likes this,

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you know, because I can't even watch that thing now,

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over a decade old. You know how as an artist

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it's hard to critique your own materials. You know, Yeah,

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it could be painful to watch. So you know, he

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wanted to show that. And then we started kind of

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communicating then and I ended up doing a series actually

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a poster behind Me on the Trail of champ which

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was about the Lake Champlain Monster. I did that in

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twenty seventeen, came out in twenty eighteen, and you know,

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in the meantime, I was doing my own films on

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the side, and then I was working on small Town

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Monsters productions as well. You know, I'd got on crew

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and we'd work films like Momo, the Missouri Monster, you know,

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a lot of the other stuff that s Tam has

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traditionally filmed over the years, kind of the feet your films.

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And then at some point, like after COVID I was

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I think twenty twenty one, we started talking about doing

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more YouTube stuff, a little more. It's a little more loose,

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I guess, you know, it's a little productions, a little

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bit easier you could do. I really wanted to do

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a series that was sort of like following me on

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my investigations anyway big Foot related stuff, and we kind

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of came up with the idea to do a series

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called Beyond the Trail, which was following just like I said,

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me on my adventures looking for Bigfoot. Pretty easy, pretty

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open ended kind of concept, you're nothing too crazy. And

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I started doing that, and you know, we started growing

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on the YouTube channel and people seem.

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To like it.

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You know, I was really inspired by like the style

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of Survivor man By Strapp. Yeah, filming yourself out in

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the woods, like you're doing it yourself. You're not you

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don't have a whole crew with you. It's a very

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bare bones kind of thing. And it's honest, that's what

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I thought at the time. You know, there was There's

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not a lot of stuff taking the topic seriously. There's

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a lot of you know, just cheesy stuff on TV,

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and I don't it just wasn't. Again. I love Finding Bigfoot,

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don't get me wrong. And I love all the characters

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in it. And I know Cliff and Bobo very well personally.

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They're great guys, and you know, but they'll be very

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open and tell you like, you know, when you're working

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on TV, you're only so limited what you.

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Can do, right, highly produced?

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Right, Yeah, exactly. And you know they, to their credit

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on that show, you know they when producers try to

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pull fake stuff on them, they all threaten to mutiny.

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So I respect them for that. But you know, as

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Cliff always says, I kind of give them an opportunity

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to go and travel and go to some of these

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bucket list locations, which is awesome. But it inspired a

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lot of people too. But again, at the time, like

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you know, there just wasn't a lot even like twenty

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twenty since then, there hasn't been a lot of this stuff,

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you know, at that time that was going on, So

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I thought, hey, let's just do this and see how

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it goes. And it seemed to take off. And now

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five years later, so it's a very different scene. You know,

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there's a ton of YouTube channels and a ton of

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people doing very similar sort of investigative films and documentary,

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which is great. You know, I love to see the

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interest is definitely growing. But yeah, that's sort of the

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genesis of how it kind of all began. And you know,

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at Small Time Monsters, we do not only kind of

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long form films. That's a lot of stuff that we

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do a kickstarter every year. That's what our kickstarter backers

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get access to, and that's the stuff that goes to

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DVD into streaming platforms, whereas the YouTube stuff it's much

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more episodic. It's a little bit more I don't want

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to say less produced, because we work our butts off

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for every production, but yeah, that's a little bit.

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You can see that the quality is still there. It's

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not yeah, really, there's no difference in quality.

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It's just you know, that's what we try to do

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is we try to have maximum quality with everything. But again,

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it's a little bit more. You know, when I'm out,

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like we recently released a video for the Beyond the

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Trail series and it's about my investigation in West Virginia

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with my buddies and we were out exploring for a

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few days and you know, trying to recording interesting activity.

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a little less polished, and say an interview or an

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interview based documentary that's talking about the history of bigfoot

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in British Columbia where you've got like ten different sit

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down interviews and people are telling stories. It's a little course.

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things that we do at Small Time Monsters. You know,

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I do three YouTube series myself. I've got Beyond the Trail,

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which again is much more like if you like the

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boots on the ground investigative stuff, if you like seeing

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gear out in the field, camp cooking, beautiful scenery, just exploration,

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you know, stories trying to get possible evidence, that's more

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of a series for you than I also do The

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Appalation Bigfoot Files, which is kind of an examination of

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Bigfoot stories in the Appalachian Mountains from Maine to Georgia,

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and every episode focuses on a different area, Like we

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about western Massachusetts and my friend Jonathan Wilke, who had

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an incredible encounter in the early nineties while he was

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a park ranger at a state forest out there along

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the Appalation Trail. So every episode focuses on a different

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part of it Bigfoot history, whether it's upstate New York

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or Georgia or North Carolina, West Virginia. And then my

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series Strange Places is about it's kind of self explanatory.

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It's about weird places, weird history. That can include places

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like the Land between the Lakes or working on a

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Pine Barons episode. We just filmed that recently, where we're

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in the New Jersey Pine Barons where you've got the

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Jersey Devil story. Of course, you've got Bigfoot stories down there,

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series that I do has a different sort of flavor

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in a different way. It looks at things, and that's

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what I love about, you know, kind of the freedom,

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the creative freedom to do this sort of stuff.

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So, yeah, keep you busy though, it definitely does.

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five when you're editing that, like you be on the

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trails a little more upbeat. The music is more adventurous. Scenery,

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it's like a you know, very enthusiastic and then I

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switch over to like a Strange Places type thing, or

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the music is usually very dramatic, you know, very slow, creepy,

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like the vibes are very different, so I've got to

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take myself out of the mentality and editing one and

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swap into another. And you know, it's a different style too.

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I'll use different fonts and different you know, just to look.

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I try to get a creepier, a great or kind

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of look. So yeah, next video, I got to go

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back to a more upbeat style. So it's kind of

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a definitely keeps on your toes. But a lot of

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times I'm filming these at the same time, So I'll

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be filming you know, we're filming a beyond the trail

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and then I'm also doing an interview in camp with

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the researcher. It's going to be part of the appellation

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big Foot Files, so you know, it's kind.

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Of they work in tandem.

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to that point, but you know, somehow it all kind

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of works in the in the chaos.

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I guess, right, what's your favorite place that you've like

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done done a documentary about that? Maybe not plas, I

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mean maybe also like event you know, or or whatever.

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It's a real tough one, I'm sure because I've been

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giving many. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna have to be it'll

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have to be a little list, but I mean, definitely

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one of my one of my top locations. I'll give one.

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Of different regions.

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But first of all, every place I've been to is amazing.

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You know, I'm lucky to be able to travel to

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some of these places. You know, West Virginia one of

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my favorite states, been there multiple times. Just the terrain

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up here in the northeast. You know, I'm biased, but

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the swamps of Florida. You know, it might seem like

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a gross place to be, but get the chance to

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go explore out there and you find a Florida panther

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track in the dirt. I mean, it's such a cool

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that's so lucky. But one of the top places definitely Alaska.

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That is one that I've had the chance to go

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back a few times now. I spent a month and

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a half, you know, traveling to and from Alaska and

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being in Alaska for a month a couple of years

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ago where I filmed a bunch of different films and

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that was just what an experience. But there's this location

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we call Area A, which is on the Kenai Peninsula

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of last and that's where a friend of mine is

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built a remote cabin out there that's only accessible.

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And we've done you know, the Alaskan Coastal Sasquatch Parts

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one and two there. We filmed that in twenty twenty two,

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and I spent two weeks out there in twenty twenty three,

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and it's a place I think about almost daily. It's

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this temperate rainforest. You know, it's beautiful, creepy, eerie kind

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of environment with the rain and the fog and these

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giant mountains that just roll right out of the sea

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where you've got bears, you've got brown bears, black bears, moose,

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sick of black tailed deer, orcas, humpback whales in the water, seals,

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sea lions, otters.

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I mean, it is like an.

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Incredible location just some of the best visual I think

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I've ever captured of just any sort of nature out there.

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and it's what a rugged place. So that's one of

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my top I think about it all the time, that

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particular place, and then Bluff Creek in Northern California definitely,

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you know, it's the.

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The iconic place.

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Yeah, of course, birthplace at Bigfoot Patterson Gimme Film. I've

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been out there twice doing various productions, and I did

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a We've done the typical kind of Bigfoot documentaries while

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out there, and you know, one of our first ever

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beyond the Trail, So it was about Bluff Creek and

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I heard this really interesting whoop out there after this

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weird incident with my friend's dog was super terrified of

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something that was moving around, and it was a whole

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weird event. But this past summer I was up there

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at Bluff Creek and I got to do a documentary

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for Strange Places, which is about the abandoned Gasky Orleans Road,

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which is this highway. It's this highway that goes out.

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actually drive the highway to get into Bluff Creek. In

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the Patterson film site, You're like, why am I on

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a paved road in the middle of this desk destal wilderness. Well,

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it was actually supposed to be a highway that linked

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the coastal region of northern California to the interior, and

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they completed all but six miles of it. Because the

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valley goes through is sacred for the natives, and they

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got it shut down. So you drive this highway and

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all of a sudden, it just comes to a basically

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a dead end in the middle of the most beautiful

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wilderness you can imagine. And there's so many Bigfoot stories

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right on that road itself. So that was amazing to

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do a documentary on that. And then one of my

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other top locations that I got to visit last year

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and did a film on was for Strange Places as well,

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and that was an abandoned radar base up in northern Vermont,

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not far from the Canadian border. It's called the Lindonville

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Air Force or the North Concord Air Force Radar Station.

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It changed names, but it was part of the kind

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of Cold War early detection systems they had in the

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nineteen fifties the threat of the Soviet Union, so they

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had them in the very high locations. And it's been

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abandoned now since about nineteen sixty three, so it's in

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pretty bad shape. But it's on top of a basically

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a four thousand foot mountain almost in northern Vermont and

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has this three sixty view into the mountains in New

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Hampshire and Vermont and Canada. But what's so interesting about it,

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and why I did a Strange Places episode on it,

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is that this base, there's a couple of Project blue

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Book reports about the base, Project blue Book being the

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kind of systematic one of the systematic government examinations of

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the UFO and kind of what we call UAP topic now.

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But this was in the sixties, in that sort of

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time period during Cold War, and there's a couple of

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reports from this base, and one of them, which I

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find to be the most interesting, one was from September

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of nineteen sixty one, and it happened to be that

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this radar facility tracked what they called a UFO for

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fifteen to nineteen minutes on radar with very erratic patterns,

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and they likened Project Blue Book, likened it to a

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weather balloon, right, that's what they called that. But it happened.

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It happened to occur the same night that Betty and

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Barney Hill claimed to have been abducted in neighboring New Hampshire,

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and sequentially, the radar base tracked this UFO a few

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hours before Betty and Barning Hill drove through Franconia Notch,

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which is when their encounter began the same night, I

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believe September nineteenth, nineteen sixty one, but you might have

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to correct me because I'm not great with dates, but

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I think it's nineteenth. I know for a fact they

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both happened the same night the way they were reported so,

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and it's actually about like thirty something air miles from

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the radar base to Franconia. Notch went like, I've stood

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on the towers at the radar base and you can

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see with the naked eye the mountains right where they

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drove through where they said they started seeing the craft.

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So what are the chances that of all the times

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this base was operating for almost a decade, they've only

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had a handful of incidents, and the most prolific one

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happened the same night as one of the most prolific

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and earliest abduction stories to really ever come about. So

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it's an incredible story. This story itself is amazing, But

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the base is a fascinating facility, again because it's it's

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on top of this mountain and the drive in there,

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it's a very desolate kind of wilderness, very tough getting

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out there, and the first time we went, they actually had,

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there was gate closures on the roads and the town

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leading up to it, so we had to hike. It

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was a twenty miles round trip hike to get back

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to and from the base. So, I mean that's when

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we did the film you know, of Strange Places episode

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about It's still one of my favorites, one of my

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favorite locations.

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So those are just a few.

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There's there's plenty more, but like the radar base, Bluff Creek, Alaska,

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those are definitely my.

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So let me ask you, so do you get like,

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is it something that you have to get permission to

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do for which like like like with the with the

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abandoned Air Force base.

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So that's something that it's it's a bit of a

464
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gray area, right because so it's technically private.

465
00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:42.920
I entered that gray area a lot too. I'm just

466
00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:45.200
I'm just asking your experience.

467
00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:50.039
Absolutely, so it's technically private property, but the owners and

468
00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:52.000
the people who have owned it typically have allowed people

469
00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:54.640
in like foot traffic to go up there and you know,

470
00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:58.519
go visit the spot. So but it's a mixed bag.

471
00:22:58.559 --> 00:23:00.960
You'll well, you'll hear stories line of people saying, oh

472
00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.240
I went there and I ran into some militia with

473
00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:05.799
guns and they chased me out of there. It could

474
00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:08.720
just be people up there doing some kind of training

475
00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:10.759
or I don't know what, but you know, it's it's

476
00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:12.880
it's a it's a been it's a decommissioned site, so

477
00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:15.119
it's it's been in private hands since the sixties, so

478
00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:17.839
it's not like it's under any kind of active military

479
00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:20.960
usage or anything like that. It's just a very interesting

480
00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:23.920
location and I think just visually it is one of

481
00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:26.680
the most interesting places in North America because of its

482
00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:30.160
prominence on the mountain. And yeah, so that's a situation.

483
00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:32.079
We go in there and it's kind of like a

484
00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:33.759
bit of a gray area, right like where you've got

485
00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:33.920
to be.

486
00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:35.480
You got to be careful, you know, you want to

487
00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:36.359
do anything too crazy.

488
00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:39.160
But uh, you know, as far as we have heard,

489
00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:42.799
it's okay to generally visit there, you know, off float

490
00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:46.200
and kind of check it out. So, yeah, normally in

491
00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:47.960
a place like that, it gets a lot of vandalism

492
00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:50.400
and a lot of people that go there, and the

493
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:52.279
wrong kinds of people that go they get they don't

494
00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:53.839
you know, like they're not like us. We go to

495
00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:57.880
Appreciape history and to just marvel at this human engineering

496
00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:00.920
and imagine how brutal it was. And I read testimonies

497
00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:02.799
from you some of the airmen that used to be

498
00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:06.519
stationed there, you know, having a giant tractors to clear

499
00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:08.440
all the snow going up the mountain in the parutal

500
00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:11.319
winter months in that part of a month. You know,

501
00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:13.799
just we have a fat we have a fascination appreciation

502
00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:15.720
for the history. A lot of people just want to

503
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:18.400
go and spray paint obscenities. And yeah, it was on

504
00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:21.519
these kind of locations, which is a shame, it really is.

505
00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:24.720
Yeah. I like the word like, so I was just

506
00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:27.799
like I told you before we started, I was watching

507
00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:31.480
one of your episodes of Strange Places, and I liked

508
00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:34.480
the word that you used your and you it was

509
00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:38.559
desecration of these places, and and it's I thought it

510
00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:41.440
was spot on. I was like, huh, that's awesome, Like,

511
00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:44.799
because there's there's some places in New York that are

512
00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:49.519
you know, just abandoned towns, right and or whatever that

513
00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:53.480
I've gone to up in the Adirondex uh, one of

514
00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:59.559
which is like historically significant and the place that was there,

515
00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:04.200
it's the town of Adirondack. And you know, that's where

516
00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:08.359
there's a the McNaughton cabin, which is in that town,

517
00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:12.640
which the town doesn't exist. It's totally been over, it's grown.

518
00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:14.480
Do you know where I'm talking about or not.

519
00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:17.279
I don't know specifically, but I feel like I've heard stories.

520
00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:20.440
So there was a cabin there which is technically like

521
00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:22.720
been boarded up for years in the place that owned

522
00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:25.440
the people that own it, you know, I guess they

523
00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:28.400
do their best right to keep it from beginning, you know,

524
00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:32.279
falling down, because it's it's what's called the McNaughton cabin.

525
00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:36.799
And that was where Teddy Roosevelt was staying the night

526
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:42.079
that he found out about the assassination, and he was

527
00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:47.759
basically became president, right or that's the story, right, right,

528
00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:50.039
right right, So it could have been it could have

529
00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:52.359
been something a little different. I can't remember if he

530
00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:56.960
did he become president because McKinley was assassinated or was

531
00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:57.880
he the secretary of.

532
00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:01.400
The Navy then I don't know that part of history enough.

533
00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:05.480
Either way, he found out that the big news there, yeah,

534
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:08.400
and he was part of the cabinet at the minimum, right,

535
00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:09.799
So he had to get back to d C.

536
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:13.799
So it's got some historical significance.

537
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:15.240
And that's where he was when it happened.

538
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.119
With like the word desecration, you know, like you wouldn't

539
00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:21.079
go to a museum and just start historical pyche thats.

540
00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:22.839
You got to pay to get into one of these

541
00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:24.680
places to like go look at some Ancian ruins. You

542
00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:26.920
wouldn't go there and start spray painting stuff on it.

543
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:29.839
These areas that are abandoned that are kind of left

544
00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:32.720
to the mercy of not only the elements, but the vandals.

545
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:34.119
And you have the people come in and try to

546
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:36.680
scrap and steal stuff. But the worst is just the

547
00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:38.599
people that come in and just destroy just for the

548
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:41.200
sake of destroying. And it's mostly just younger kids and

549
00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:43.599
teenagers that do that. And look, we get it, like

550
00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:45.920
kids were all did staid stuff when we were kids

551
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:47.599
like that. You know, you don't you don't you maybe

552
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:50.240
don't appreciate the value of it. But to a lot

553
00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:53.039
of places, like you know, this radar base, other locations

554
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:56.880
are kind of uh, you know, informally maintained by groups

555
00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:58.440
of people that just kind of volunteer to go and

556
00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:01.400
clean it up. And they the onslaught of you know,

557
00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:03.480
the amount of destruction they just can't keep up with.

558
00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:06.440
So we see that a lot of abandoned locations. But

559
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:08.000
I find that the ones that are harder to get

560
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:11.000
to tend to be more more preserved. So like stuff

561
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:14.880
these underground mines, finding some of this mining equipment was

562
00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:17.200
a little harder for people to get to the general public.

563
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:20.079
So that's kind of nice to see places that don't.

564
00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:23.839
Have you ever been to Centralia? I have.

565
00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:26.759
Yeah, I've drove through there. Actually there's not a lot

566
00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:29.400
to see anymore because they've kind of gotten rid of it,

567
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:31.480
but we found a few ports where they had some

568
00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:35.160
of the steam coming out. We were there back in December.

569
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:37.720
I was filming some stuff for Appalationian big Foot files

570
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:40.240
and we happen to be just on our route, like, oh,

571
00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:42.279
this is going to take us through Centralia. Let's go

572
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:44.400
drive around, and the whole town.

573
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:45.240
Is basically gone.

574
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:47.960
But there's a couple places in Pennsylvania where there's still

575
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:53.200
underground mine fires. Yes, actually still going around Scranton too,

576
00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:56.319
and then Scranton. The whole Wyoming Valleys filled with abandoned mines,

577
00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:58.839
and we did a strange places on that. I've done

578
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:01.680
some mine exploration on my own as well. It's very

579
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:05.680
fascinating because this is like a total time capsule. It's unlike,

580
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.480
you know, a historical site you might find, like the

581
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:12.799
radar base, most of the stuff, you know, the structures

582
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:14.599
are there, but most of the equipment and everything has

583
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:19.359
been scrapped or take destroyed over time. Whereas underground, I

584
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:21.720
mean everything is getting rusty because it's wet, but everything

585
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:25.440
is left there. Like you'll find wrappers from small cakes

586
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:28.480
and pastries that these miners rating in the nineteen fifties

587
00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:32.279
sitting there now for almost one hundred years. You know,

588
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:34.960
We'll find these giant hoists that they somehow got into

589
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:39.240
the mines, and we found cigarettes and they're not supposed

590
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:41.279
to smoke in the mines, but the miners did it anyway.

591
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.200
You find old boots, gloves, equipment. I mean, it's incredible

592
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:47.240
how much it's still left. And again it's preserved because

593
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:49.000
it's kind of in this underground state where it's not

594
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.559
constant elements, Like there's just moisture but that's about it.

595
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.279
So it's like a total time capsule in some of

596
00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:55.960
these mines.

597
00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:58.880
Yeah, that's pretty amazing. Yeah, I have a friend that

598
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:03.160
lives down there that I do research with who is

599
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:08.079
convinced that the mines around their house. There's some I

600
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:11.599
would not on their property, but a little bit you know,

601
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.640
back off that she everywhere. She thinks that there's a

602
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:17.960
population of sasquash that live in the mines.

603
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:20.759
Oh interesting, Wow, I did not know that. I've heard,

604
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.559
you know, theories of that, but I've never really Uh. Yeah,

605
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:26.160
I could see maybe opportunistically using some of these.

606
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.920
Mines because some of the because some of I guess

607
00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:32.599
there's one of the mines where there's still the the

608
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:37.200
active fire is not far from it, and so it's

609
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:41.160
actually warmer even than the fifty five degrees that normally

610
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:45.960
they maintain, so that things are a little drier, things are,

611
00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:50.440
you know, just more hospitable and in the winter. So

612
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.799
she this is her theory, and yeah, I could maybe

613
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:55.720
maybe we'll find out, but knows.

614
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:57.759
Yeah, I know. I've got a friend down there that

615
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.400
you know, he was in a Strange Place episode. He

616
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:03.759
his channel's Anthracite Horror Stories. He does a lot of

617
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:06.319
videos about mind and some of the disasters, and he

618
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:08.720
does a lot of you know, he's taken us into

619
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:11.839
some of these mines and he actually cooked a steak

620
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:14.519
on one of these mind fires in one of these

621
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:17.119
ports where the steam's coming out. He wrapped it in

622
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:19.640
tinfoil and actually cooked a steak on there, kind of

623
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:22.519
as a joke. Wow, But yeah, there's so there's And

624
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:24.720
actually when we were there too, one of the episodes

625
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:27.839
I did of the operation Bigfoot Files was about the

626
00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:31.359
Suscan Screamer. So it was about the northeast part of Pennsylvania,

627
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:34.359
and right outside of Scranton you have Suskan, which is

628
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:36.279
this wooded area and there's been a lot of big

629
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:39.720
Foot sightings and there's story from the early nineteen hundreds

630
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:42.599
or late eighteen hundreds of this watchman in a fire

631
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:46.160
tower who saw this weird looking bear with you. Yeah,

632
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:50.440
I've heard that burnt bear running screaming, and that's kind

633
00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:53.039
of the Suscan Screamer story. And so there's there's Bigfoot

634
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:55.599
stories around that area because you go once you get

635
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:58.000
out of town, you're up in these little mountains and hills,

636
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:01.640
plenty of habitat in space. And oh yeah, friend Matt Arner,

637
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:05.480
he's a police officer and I know Matt. Yeah, Matt,

638
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:08.480
he's with the Sasquatch Experience Crew and he's taken a

639
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:11.359
lot of reports from that Poconos area, that northeast PA.

640
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:13.960
So we filmed with him out there and he was like,

641
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:16.200
this is where I had a guy I knew who

642
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:18.200
was building the cabin and he had an encounter, and

643
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:21.279
thirty years before that there was a two kayakers who

644
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:23.720
had encountered in the same spot. And there's like a

645
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.119
cyclical pattern along the motion trail with some of that stuff,

646
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.319
and then it leads right into northeast New Jersey where

647
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:32.799
you have you know, High Point State Park and the

648
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:35.920
legend of the Red Eye creature and all the other stuff,

649
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:37.799
and it's kind of one contiguous habitat.

650
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:41.400
Absolutely. Yeah. Matt was on the first expedition I ever

651
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:41.759
went on.

652
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:42.960
Cool.

653
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:45.240
Yeah, Yeah, he's a real good dude.

654
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:47.200
We've been out with him too to one of their

655
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:50.799
research areas. Him and Sean Fork are out in the

656
00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:54.400
Allegheny kind of plateau area, which before you get towards

657
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:55.720
like the Alleghany National Forest.

658
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:58.160
What's just my favorite research space.

659
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:00.839
There's so much stuff out there is nothing. I mean,

660
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:04.200
we we actually came across in that Strange Places episode.

661
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:06.519
We were out well, we were filming with Matt and

662
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:08.720
them you know, in in kind of an area they

663
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:11.559
researched for Bigfoot, and our way out there's an abandoned

664
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:14.680
a paper mill and a dam there in Austin, PA

665
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:18.720
that had collapsed and it was reefed havoc, and there's

666
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:21.279
this giant He finds this giant dam and down the

667
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:23.680
street there's an abandoned paper mill that we went and explored,

668
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:27.720
and we actually put him in that Pennsylvania Strange Places episode,

669
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:29.759
So it goes cool we have big footing and then

670
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.279
kind of urban exploration right in the scene.

671
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:37.240
Yeah right, yeah, yeah, we were. I was literally the

672
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:42.000
just there this weekend, you know, did some filming over

673
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:46.920
by the dam and some places where we've had experiences.

674
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:48.640
So there's a lot of stuff out there. I know

675
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:50.839
Matt and these guys said in the fall they found

676
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:53.759
track or some kind of potential track out there.

677
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:55.839
I remember he had sent me that, and you.

678
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:57.640
Know, there's there's still plenty of activity and a lot

679
00:32:57.640 --> 00:32:59.920
of the reports they get out there is like hunter

680
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:03.160
and people who have hunting camps up in the mountains,

681
00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:06.480
and typically the people that are you know, trying to

682
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:08.519
get any attention to talking about Bigfoot, and they're just

683
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:10.720
there to hunt and there's elk. We're in tons of

684
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:13.279
elk out there, yep, which is something I think surprised

685
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:14.000
a lot of people.

686
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:18.400
Bizarre Eastern because they're huge, they're monstrous.

687
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:20.640
And you hear that elk hugle. I mean, I've heard

688
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:22.920
that out west plenty of times in Arizona and other

689
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:25.160
places out in the mountains, but you know, hearing it

690
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:26.680
on the East coast is really cool too.

691
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.720
Yeah, you bring up Alaska as well, and I had

692
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:36.599
a bigfoot encounter in Alaska that was but well, I say,

693
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.400
buy Anchorage, but you know that's relative.

694
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:43.200
And minutes outside of Anchorage you're in the middle of nowhere.

695
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:46.119
Right, and so so it was it's like two hours

696
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:49.359
outside of Anchorage. But like I said, it's all kind

697
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:53.920
of relative because there's where was it, uh, down in

698
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:56.720
the National Forest that's right there, like that what is

699
00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:00.400
it that chewsh cheue gash. Yeah, that's it guy. We

700
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.640
were doing some operations and this when I was in

701
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:05.799
the Marine Corps, so we were doing some operations there

702
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:09.599
and we did a lot of drug interdiction stuff, not

703
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:13.880
just there. But people don't realize that people grow a

704
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.199
lot of weed in the summer in.

705
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:20.239
National Forest short season, you gotta get the advantage of it.

706
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:25.800
But uh so there and then Lake in California.

707
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:27.159
Oh yeah, I know up in the Bluff Creek region.

708
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:29.039
Bobo has stories about Grower.

709
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:32.519
Yeah, we were actually down farther south by Santa Barbara

710
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:38.519
in the Los Padres National Forest, and yeah there, stuff

711
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:39.280
happened there too.

712
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:41.800
Stories.

713
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:45.119
Yeah, that's more like you're getting into what you would

714
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:50.360
call Yuckaman region down there. It's it's pretty arid, you know,

715
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:54.280
lots of rocks, not a lot of trees to hide

716
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:59.280
around and whatnot. But either way, you know, But so,

717
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:03.159
do you have an personal experiences like, let's just say,

718
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:04.000
with sasquatch.

719
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.039
Yeah, so, I mean I have. I've never had a

720
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:09.440
sighting or anything I can say as one hundred percent, but.

721
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:12.519
Like class A, you've never had like a class A sight.

722
00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:15.840
Right, I wish. I've just had a handful of experiences

723
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:19.400
that are weird that I could never say one sasquatch, right,

724
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:23.760
but they are they kind of fit perhaps the purported behavior.

725
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:27.880
So like the wood knocking stuff, the rock throwing, the whoops,

726
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:30.639
the kind of vocalizations. And again I'm not gonna claim

727
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:34.480
it's sasquatch. Definitely. But yeah, a few times I've had

728
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:36.880
some stuff happen, Like at Bluff Creek we experienced a

729
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:39.960
whoop and I was mentioning it earlier, but a buddy

730
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:42.280
of mine is dog. We were out in this place

731
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:44.880
called Laos Camp, which is kind of the main camp

732
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:47.519
that was set up in the nineteen fifties by Tom

733
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:50.440
Slick expedition there at Bluff Creek, really when the word

734
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:54.960
Bigfoot hit the news and was just becoming known, and

735
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:56.800
that camp since then has been you know, host of

736
00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:59.639
quite a few experiences. Bobo had a sighting there. Other

737
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.559
people I know have had encounters around Laus Camp. And

738
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:05.079
this was twenty twenty one and we were out there

739
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:06.639
and we had a group of people and we were

740
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:09.760
going to see the road where the original Bigfoot tracks

741
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:11.599
were found in the fifties that gave way to the

742
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:15.000
name Bigfoot. And the logging crews are out there and

743
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:17.400
you know, these guys were saying they were hearing something

744
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:19.119
kind of moving around on the brush and like some

745
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.719
possible knocks and stuff, and we were like, okay, whatever,

746
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:24.360
you know, we're just going to see the tracks. Are

747
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:26.320
going to see where the tracks were found. You know,

748
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:29.960
obviously fifties, you know, so long long time agoes. Yeah,

749
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.280
it's like a historical site, like it's cool to see it.

750
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:35.920
And my buddy's dog started acting really weird. And this

751
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:38.039
is a dog that you know, hiked the whole Appalachian

752
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:42.239
Trail around animals, like, never has to be leashed, very

753
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:45.599
good temperament. It's like some kind of Australian Shepherd mix

754
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:49.559
or something. And the dog started tail between the legs

755
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.880
and started trying to duck to the side of the trail.

756
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:55.239
I guess that was his mo when he got scared

757
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:59.360
or frightened, and you know, the tail between the legs shaking.

758
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.559
I've never seen a dog look that way, like when

759
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:06.480
they say that, you understand that expression fully when you

760
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:07.800
look at it. And we actually had to take a

761
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:11.400
belt from my buddy Jonathan and make a leash just

762
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:12.400
to get him back to camp.

763
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:13.599
He just wow.

764
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:16.079
It was. It was weird. And these guys were saying

765
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:18.360
they were hearing stuff. So we're like, okay, you know

766
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:22.760
whatever bear and he's like, no, he's been around bears before.

767
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.440
You know, you run through the kind of logical explanations.

768
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:28.320
And then while we're at camp, you know, there was

769
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:30.000
a group of us, a group of people around the fire,

770
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:32.199
and this was maybe like less than an hour after

771
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:33.880
the kind of incident on the road. But you know,

772
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:37.719
we'd hiked back to camp then, and where my buddy's

773
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:40.440
car was. The dog was there and he was fine.

774
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:43.000
He was now wagging his tail, and I happened to

775
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:44.599
be filming and I walked over to him and I'm

776
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.199
just like, oh, how you doing. You're okay, And all

777
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:48.800
of a sudden you hear this kind of like whoop

778
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:52.440
sound from like the hill right around and I'm like, okay,

779
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:55.280
who did the whoop? And Ken Gearhart was in camp

780
00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:58.159
there too, and whatever reason, I was like, was that

781
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:00.679
Ken doing a whoop? And there's a couple of people

782
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:02.719
standing maybe ten feet for me, and I started asking,

783
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:05.880
you guys, hear that whoop? What whoop? I didn't hear anything.

784
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:08.599
They didn't hear anything. And I went to everybody in

785
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:12.000
camp and nobody. Everyone was accounted for. There's only one

786
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.239
other dog in camp didn't make that noise. So either

787
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:18.079
there was somebody hiding in the woods around us making

788
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:21.000
this noise. I don't know. I mean I had some

789
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:22.039
people listening to the audium.

790
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:23.000
Definitely weird right.

791
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:25.440
They said it sounded, you know, not like an owl

792
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:27.039
or anything like that. So again that's one of the

793
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:30.079
things I can't say is definitive. It was weird. It

794
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:32.199
was just like I heard the whoop, the camera picked

795
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:34.760
up and the dog heard it. Nobody else in camp

796
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.400
heard it or has recording of it or anything like that,

797
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:40.360
and everyone else was around the fire or they were chatting.

798
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:42.320
So one of those things that's easy to miss. But

799
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:44.440
I heard it and the camera captured it. We have

800
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:46.079
a pretty good recording of it, so you know, if

801
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:48.599
anyone wants to listen to it or they can get

802
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:50.760
in that episode and Bigfoot of Bluff Creek it's there

803
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:53.480
towards the end. It's like, yeah, we present our findings

804
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:57.159
and just allow it to you know, hear he will

805
00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:59.159
like it's we're not claiming one thing or another. So

806
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:01.000
that was an interesting one. But probably some of the

807
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.719
more interesting stuff was up in Alaska, up at area,

808
00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:06.199
a place I was talking about earlier. You know, we

809
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:08.679
had a couple instances there where you'd hear like these

810
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:11.800
mystery gun shots and there's like nobody around. I mean,

811
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:14.320
you know somebody's there, because you would only get in

812
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:18.199
by a plane or boat. We're the only boat in there.

813
00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:22.599
Nobody else around, you know, and like nobody seven bays away,

814
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.440
twenty miles away. You're not going to hear them shooting

815
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:28.400
a gun, you know, across a mountain range where there's

816
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.280
a small community, Like, you're not going to hear that.

817
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:32.320
So we'd hear these mystery gun shots.

818
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:34.679
And one night we had we were sitting around the

819
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:38.000
fire at three four am, a couple of us just

820
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:42.480
kind of shooting the shit, and all of a sudden,

821
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:44.039
like we hear this kind of like what sounds like

822
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:47.159
a woodknock, kind of just to start breaking the silence,

823
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:49.360
and we're like, oh, sh And then it sounds like

824
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:51.840
what sounds like rocks are being thrown or something is

825
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:54.119
being thrown from the top of this hill and sort

826
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:57.119
of hitting stuff along the way, and then before it

827
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.440
hits the water the ocean, it would hit this rock

828
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:03.400
beach that was there, like hit that and then splash.

829
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:06.079
So it's not like because we would hear seals and

830
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:09.519
sea lions splashing in the bay at night. Yeah, but

831
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:11.159
you can hear it. And then you take the thermo

832
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:13.320
over there and you can see a little red signature

833
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:15.519
jump in and out of the water, so that that

834
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:17.559
sound we knew, but this was like you could distinctly

835
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:20.719
hear stuff being hit along the way and then hitting

836
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:23.760
the rock beach before splashing. And we tried, you know,

837
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:25.960
we emulated that, but there's almost no rocks to find

838
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:29.079
around there because the entire ground is covered in this moss.

839
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:31.199
You have to actually go down to the beach to

840
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:34.239
get But we would try to throw them just throwing

841
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:36.039
in the water. Okay, that just sounds like a seal.

842
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.440
Now try hitting as much stuff as you can while

843
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:40.960
throwing down there and then hit the rock beach and

844
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.320
then splash Like yeah, that's that's what it sounds like.

845
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:45.719
You know the hill, you know, you try to roll.

846
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:48.239
We tried rolling rocks down the hill just to see, okay.

847
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.480
Maybe like maybe they got like slid.

848
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:54.360
Yeah, the rock goes three feet and gets caught up

849
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:56.239
on moss and debris and you don't even hear it

850
00:40:56.320 --> 00:41:00.480
move because because that environment, you can lay down. It's

851
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:02.920
so comfortable. You can lay down in this spongy moss

852
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:05.679
and just lay there and it absorbs you and you

853
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:08.559
get back up and it like pops back up. Yeah,

854
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:18.719
it's spongy, mossy.

855
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:17.320
What do they call those the memory foam met.

856
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:19.960
Oh, I've taken naps up in those woods, you know,

857
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:22.000
a bunch of us just laying there in that moss.

858
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:24.280
So yeah, there's there's not like a lot of places

859
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:26.559
where that sound would have been naturally emanating from. So

860
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:27.800
we don't know what to make.

861
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:27.960
It out of.

862
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:28.079
Me.

863
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:29.760
Yeah, it's a bear of throwing.

864
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:33.039
Rocks, you know, like it doesn't make sense. And we

865
00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:34.480
had a little hill above us, and you know, we

866
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:36.599
would scan with the thermal, so we had that happen.

867
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:39.280
On that same trip, we found this really weird looking

868
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:41.840
handprint on the back of the of the cabin on

869
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:44.719
the metal siding, and we actually got our friend Larry

870
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:50.199
beans Baxter, former police officer retired, and he he tried

871
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:52.360
to lift the print as they would forensically, and then

872
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.360
he also swathed samples of each of the kind of

873
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:59.039
fingers and that was sent off to Doug Hicheck for

874
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:02.480
Legend Meat sign It's too and that's in the testing

875
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.800
for the for the for Legend Meet Science too, So

876
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:07.840
we don't know the results yet, but but you know,

877
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:10.679
it's cool knowing people like Larry and others that have

878
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:13.239
you know, kind of that professional skill set that they

879
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:16.400
bring to the investigation, because you know, I'm not trained

880
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:19.880
in science or evidence collection, right, Like I do my

881
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:23.239
best as an amateurs and scientists. But if I know

882
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:26.639
somebody who's got that skill set, like, hey man, I

883
00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:28.360
want you to, I want you to, how would you

884
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:30.039
collect this evidence, like if you were doing this for

885
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:33.440
a crime scene. Absolutely, so that first trip was pretty exciting.

886
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:35.880
We had some of that weird stuff happened. And a

887
00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:38.519
second trip out to Area A in twenty twenty three,

888
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:42.639
spent two weeks out there and almost nothing happened, super quiet,

889
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.039
it was reigning the whole time. It was just a

890
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:48.559
total different vibe, like there just wasn't anything range going on.

891
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:51.119
So it's not like every time we go out there

892
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:53.400
we have something happened. Far from it. You know, there's

893
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:55.400
been times where we've we spent a lot of time

894
00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:58.079
and resources to get to a place and then nothing happens.

895
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:00.440
And I think that's the reality. It's not like would

896
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:02.719
you see on TV where every time the camera's on,

897
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:05.199
oh my god, there's something crazy going on, or got

898
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:08.440
a thermal video like that is at all very minuscule percentage,

899
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:11.960
but at the time something interesting does happen is when

900
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:13.679
you can kind of say, okay, this is enough to

901
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:17.199
keep me going, keep me interested. Right, yeah, again, all

902
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:20.599
those experiences I can't say are definitively sasquatched, but they

903
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:25.280
are interesting and I think they fit into possible behavior.

904
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:26.400
You know, I can't I.

905
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:29.760
Get people ask me why I do this stuff or

906
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:33.320
like why people do it? And I said, my, my

907
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:37.320
biggest way to describe it is if like, do you

908
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.760
play golf? And most people will be like, well I have,

909
00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:44.719
and I go, so, why what kept you playing golf?

910
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:48.519
And literally it was like, well, that one drive I had,

911
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:52.239
that entire eighteen holes, that one drive that was just

912
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:54.480
like needles straight, and it was awesome. And the feeling

913
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:57.880
I got, I said, saying, that's it. You hear that

914
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:00.800
I heard, I would knock and yeah, and you're like,

915
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:05.039
nothing else is doing that, at least in certain you know,

916
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:06.320
at least that's what you tell yourself.

917
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.920
You can roll out the other possibilities. It's way too

918
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:10.000
hard to debate, you know.

919
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:13.800
Or if you hear that whoop or that scream or

920
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:19.920
that yell, that can be nothing other than you're just like, well.

921
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:23.480
It's like a validation a little bit, and you know

922
00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:25.519
it's not again, it's enough to it's it's not definitive

923
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:27.599
proof of anything, right, but now it's enough to keep

924
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:30.519
you interested. Like we had recently while we're in West Virginia,

925
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:32.360
we had a few nights or you know, we do

926
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:35.960
overnight audio recording, and we heard these pretty interesting knocks

927
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.360
at this one location. You know, they're very crisp and clear.

928
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:41.719
You know, okay, it could it be a tree doing something, sure,

929
00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:44.639
but it sounds so distinct. And then you know, upon

930
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:47.239
reviewing video, I found there was a clip where I'm

931
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:49.159
setting up a saddle tree stand that I would be

932
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:52.480
using later on for you know, with a thermal at night.

933
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:55.679
This weird scream that I captured on audio that none

934
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:57.559
of us heard in the moment, Like none of us

935
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:00.880
noticed this, but the camera captured and there's like a

936
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:04.199
weird like a yell up in the mountain, and it's

937
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:06.840
like there was nobody else around that we're aware of.

938
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:09.960
So either somebody out there screaming for whatever reason, or

939
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:11.920
you know, it didn't sound we were able to rule

940
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:13.800
out some of the other critters. It didn't really sound

941
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:16.639
like anything else. But can I say it's a sass Quatch.

942
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:20.800
Yeah, the one expedition that we were on with Matt,

943
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:26.639
or that Matt was on. If I'm not mistaken, I

944
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:29.760
know it was one. There was another gentleman that it

945
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:32.800
was him and Matt were back at base camp and

946
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:34.639
they heard samurai chatter.

947
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:38.199
Interesting, So where was that.

948
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:44.639
In the in Allegheny. Yeah, so yeah, and if I'm

949
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:48.920
not mistaken, it was Matt that was there. Yeah, I'm

950
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:52.840
pretty sure it was. And uh yeah, kind of crazy.

951
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:54.480
It's just those little things though.

952
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:58.760
He got recording out there with his group Catskill Appellationian

953
00:45:58.920 --> 00:45:59.960
Research Collective.

954
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:04.039
Yeah, who is it, Mike Luc I know, I don't

955
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.400
know Mike, but so I I do a podcast on

956
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:11.880
CARK as well. So we do we we do a podcast.

957
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:14.320
Yeah, well they've got a bunch of stuff going on.

958
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:18.079
But he yeah, he does. He does a bigfoot journal now. Yeah,

959
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:21.000
but he's a he's become a good buddy of mine

960
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:24.719
and we do a lot of research together, like Virginia trip. Yeah,

961
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:29.280
cool recordings from the Alleghanies. Yeah, like these howls you

962
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:30.239
can hear in the distance.

963
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:35.039
Yeah, that's a small world. So I don't know Mike,

964
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:40.920
but I know friends of his that because cark. Uh

965
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:43.960
you know, I mean it's still round and there's still

966
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:46.360
it's still a channel, and there's still people doing stuff

967
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:49.159
on there. But I'm one of the podcasts on there now.

968
00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:52.760
So it's another podcast called Whispers of the Wood Ape

969
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:57.199
like that that me and another guy do. So yeah.

970
00:46:57.239 --> 00:46:59.760
So my one of my research partners, Gwen Purcell. I

971
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:01.000
don't if you've ever met her.

972
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:05.440
I have not met her, but I know she's Yeah.

973
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:11.320
Yeah, they're opening a store in that so that's kind

974
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:13.280
of fun. We're going to see how that goes.

975
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:16.519
That's interesting. Yeah, hey, yeah, it works, it works, right,

976
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:16.880
why not?

977
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:19.960
In the in the in the Susquehanna.

978
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:22.719
Mall gives us a place to visit on our drives, and.

979
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:29.840
She runs the Central Pennsylvania crypt Cryptid Conference Festival.

980
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:33.559
I should know this, right, It's tough.

981
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:35.679
There's a lot of events nowadays, hard but.

982
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:38.199
She so that's at the Mall this year as well.

983
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:41.960
So yeah, Pennsylvania, man, like you said, it's a great

984
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:42.599
place as well.

985
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:46.159
Well. I just I just interviewed Scott Tompkins. Have you

986
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:50.639
ever met him? He's the big Foot Mapping project guy,

987
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:56.480
and he states his data states that there's more he

988
00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:59.920
gets more sightings from Pennsylvania than any other state.

989
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:03.199
I could see that because one thing I've always noticed

990
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:06.000
over the year is like typically even in like twenty

991
00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:08.719
years ago, when people thought, oh Bigfoot on the east coast,

992
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:11.360
you know, no way, but you had stories out of

993
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:15.800
which to states, mostly Ohio and Pennsylvania. Why they're both

994
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:18.639
states that are pretty high population but also have a

995
00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:21.480
lot of rural areas, Whereas like West Virginia, which I

996
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:24.880
think is probably much better habitat, it's barely over a

997
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:27.480
million people and it's so hard to get around in

998
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:31.519
those and hollers. So Pennsylvania, you know, what do you have?

999
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:33.760
You have Pittsburgh on one side and Philly and the

1000
00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:36.079
other and the rest of it is rural. And it

1001
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:38.440
also has I believe, I know this is the stat

1002
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:39.880
like five six years ago. I don't know if it

1003
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:43.679
still is the highest amount of registered hunters in the US,

1004
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:47.559
like most amount of people going hunting. So it makes sense.

1005
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:49.159
You know a lot of the from PA over the

1006
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.039
years you hear from hunters and yeah, but Scott, you know,

1007
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:53.880
he would know. He gets a lot of that raw

1008
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:57.880
data of He's created some maps for us, and I've

1009
00:48:57.880 --> 00:48:59.960
actually done a video with him too down in Louisiana

1010
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:03.639
where we went out kayaking together into the Chaffelaya Basin

1011
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:05.280
and did a little overnight investigation.

1012
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:06.719
And Scott's awesome.

1013
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:09.719
He's he has a great book now too, and we

1014
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:11.320
had to do a review for them on that. I

1015
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:13.199
was really big Bigfoot Kids book.

1016
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:19.760
Yeah, he has a great encounter on his hunting lease yep. Yeah.

1017
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:22.199
I had him on my uh. I had him on

1018
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:23.880
my live stream a few years ago kind of right

1019
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:26.360
after that happened, and he talked about it. And but

1020
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:28.079
he does some great work. But he's also really good

1021
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:29.440
in the woods, like when I went when I was

1022
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:32.239
out with him in Louisiana, He's really into a lot

1023
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:34.360
of like this down there, a lot of the creatures

1024
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:38.000
are smaller. You're dealing with reptiles and snakes and all

1025
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:41.480
this kind of stuff aquatic creatures, whereas up where I'm

1026
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:43.599
out here in the northeast to moose and bear, that's

1027
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:45.960
what I'm kind of more looking out. But he'd like

1028
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:47.679
pull a snake and he's like, oh, here's a rat

1029
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:49.840
snake or all. You see those crawfish right there and

1030
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:52.519
that little it's like not a nest, but a crawfish

1031
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:56.239
kind of where they they raise in the water. All

1032
00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:58.320
these little things you get you gain an appreciation. He

1033
00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:00.920
saw cotton out and we were way through the swamp.

1034
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:02.880
He's like, you see that cotton mouth right there, and

1035
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.039
you see this little white thing in the water. So

1036
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:07.599
they raise their their mouth open like this, hoping that

1037
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:09.159
you'll step on it. And then you know, that's how

1038
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:12.280
they kind of show that. They're like, yeah, so it's amazing.

1039
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:15.239
But yeah, he's he's great in the woods and does

1040
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:16.880
a good job with the big Foot mapping project.

1041
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:18.920
That was for sure, you know, promoting that.

1042
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:21.559
I get a lot of info from there, a lot.

1043
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:24.760
Yeah. I mean, I've such a videos in the past tour.

1044
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:28.159
I did like an audio video about or an audio

1045
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:32.159
video a video about audio encounters an alleged audio And

1046
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:35.400
I asked him, hey, can you pull to like cool

1047
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:38.840
sightings you have in the database because he aggregates stuff

1048
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:42.400
from the BFROO and can you get me all class

1049
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:47.000
A reportings of sightings that include a wood knock and

1050
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:48.639
it was he sent me like He's like okay, and

1051
00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:51.039
then he's got a way to put all together. He's

1052
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:53.519
a gis data guy, so who knows what he's doing. Yeah,

1053
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:55.840
And it was like twenty six or twenty seven reports

1054
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:58.480
across North America which there was a class A sighting

1055
00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:01.960
and a wood knock was either heard before or after

1056
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:05.480
the encounter or actually a creature seen physically doing it.

1057
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:09.159
Because I get I got tired of people's hear it saying, oh,

1058
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:09.920
wood knocks.

1059
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:11.199
How do we even know they're related to big foot?

1060
00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:12.880
Like, okay, well, if we can trust any of the

1061
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:15.440
eyewitness data, we should be able to look at look

1062
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:19.360
at you know, kind of statistically, statistically very very rare.

1063
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:21.679
But again, there was a lot of sightings or people

1064
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:24.519
just here here, they're here a knock beforehand, and then

1065
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:27.199
they'll actually see a creature where there's a couple whereas

1066
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:29.760
afterwards they heard a knock. Or there was one in

1067
00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:31.679
Florida where the guy thought it was somebody with a

1068
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:33.679
gilly suit beating a tree with a stick, making this

1069
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:36.599
knocking noise, and he's approached it. It was like a primate

1070
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.840
looking creature that ran off on two legs. So there

1071
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:42.880
is this stuff. And you know, I told Scott, hey, man,

1072
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:44.800
just give me this list and I'd love to put

1073
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:46.760
that in the video and you'll just discuss it, talk

1074
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:49.599
about you know, some theories about the wood knock stuff.

1075
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:54.360
So yeah, so have you ever talked to terrestrial at

1076
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:59.079
Sasquatch Data Project? I don't believe, So I'll put you

1077
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:06.159
in touch with her. She's like a data wizard too though. Yeah. No,

1078
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:08.679
she uh, she's got a lot. I mean, she doesn't

1079
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:12.639
have as big a data uh poll as Scott does,

1080
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:17.920
but I think they're hopefully going to get worked up

1081
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:22.079
together and she she's got some You should look her up.

1082
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:23.159
Just saying.

1083
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:27.519
Data people like data work.

1084
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:30.159
Oh yeah, and this in this data work is great

1085
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:32.880
because I you know, I've always had like like, you know,

1086
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:36.599
what's the color dispersion, what's the you know what what

1087
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.920
what's the because the one thing that's interesting to me

1088
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:43.679
is it's this whole flesh and bone versus you know,

1089
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:46.719
woo woe kind of stuff. And like one of the

1090
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:50.760
things that I've always is like some people will uh

1091
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:52.800
report red.

1092
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:56.719
Eyes ye, the red eye creature right Jersey, Right, So

1093
00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:57.719
what's that about?

1094
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:01.480
Like you know and what so what percentage of you know,

1095
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:03.559
and where where are they?

1096
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:06.320
And like I've heard reports of it, you know, self

1097
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:09.639
illuminated and also just like you know, kind of like

1098
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:10.400
the teped.

1099
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:13.519
Elucids, which is confusing, that is weird, you know.

1100
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:15.480
I know people on both sides that I know people

1101
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:18.679
that say, well, the red eye stuff, it's clearly shows

1102
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:20.800
that that means bigfoot is not a normal creature.

1103
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:22.760
It has abilities that you are not normal.

1104
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:24.159
And then on the other end, you're like, well, I

1105
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:27.639
think it maybe they have like a special way to illuminate,

1106
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.000
you know, so it's and actually what's interesting too. And

1107
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:32.519
then in British Columbia, a lot of people will sometimes

1108
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:34.920
talk about not necessarily red eye, but I've heard people

1109
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:37.480
talk about like white light that they're seeing from some

1110
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:39.920
of the eyes. And in British Columbia, they it's some

1111
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:41.639
of the one of the tribes that visit up there,

1112
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:44.280
the New Half Nation's been there for tens of thousands

1113
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:46.679
of years. They have big foot like creatures in their folklore.

1114
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:49.760
They say that, you know, when the eyes look upon

1115
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:52.199
you at like if they have a power to freeze

1116
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:54.679
you because they have crystals in their eyes and that's

1117
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:57.840
what causes you to become paralyzed in fear. And that's

1118
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.800
like when people talk about like zap or maybe just

1119
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:03.320
like the you know, I I've talked to witnesses who

1120
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:05.079
want they like, this thing looked at them and they're

1121
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:08.199
like time slowed down at froze. Maybe that's just our

1122
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:11.960
fear response because the natives are then they're interpreting that

1123
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.679
in their own way and they're saying it's the crystals.

1124
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:17.360
This thing has an ability to do that. So with

1125
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:19.760
the I stuff, it's interesting. But but like I said,

1126
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:22.480
there's so many people doing good data work Scott. There's

1127
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:26.199
also this guy Wes runs an account called squatch or Metrics.

1128
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:30.199
There's a lot of like analysis posts Lucci. Actually, Mike

1129
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:32.760
does a lot of really great data dives for his

1130
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:35.559
uh Bigfoot journal. You know, I was like shouting him

1131
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:38.280
out because he does even for my videos. I'll be like, hey, dude,

1132
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:40.719
what do you think about like winter sightings, you know,

1133
00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:42.840
tell me about some of the stats like and he'll

1134
00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:45.199
he'll go in this like he's a data guy too.

1135
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:47.320
So there's a bunch of people doing good stuff like that,

1136
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:50.079
and I gotta respect it because I'm not a numbers guy.

1137
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:53.760
Yeah, nor am I. So I'm like, I love like

1138
00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:56.360
the data, but I don't like the data.

1139
00:54:56.440 --> 00:54:58.559
But I'm not like a numbers nerd. So I love

1140
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:01.880
talking to somebody like a Scott on Mike or somebody

1141
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:05.199
that has that kind of know how and and you

1142
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:07.719
know it's really absolutely take that data and make something

1143
00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:08.199
out of it.

1144
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:13.679
So I would love to continue doing this, but just

1145
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:19.280
to kind of start wrapping things up broadcasting seeds. That's

1146
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:21.679
the name of this podcast. I like to give the

1147
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:25.920
guests the opportunity to plant their own seeds. And the

1148
00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:31.280
audience's mind, what do you think, what's a seed that

1149
00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:32.320
you could plant?

1150
00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:37.199
Well, you know, a seed all plants is how about this?

1151
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:42.519
You know, we do all this crazy stuff, we go

1152
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:44.960
all these crazy places, but like, creating your own adventures

1153
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:46.880
is really not that difficult. I get a lot of

1154
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:50.360
people that reach out to me, like you do paid expeditions,

1155
00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:52.000
you know, I want to join you on these kinds

1156
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:53.760
of things, And I'm like, I don't, you know, I

1157
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:56.480
don't want to get paid to show people the woods.

1158
00:55:56.119 --> 00:55:56.800
And have the right.

1159
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:00.280
I think it's you know, the world is nowadays. What's

1160
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:01.960
crazy about the world is, you know, everything is so

1161
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:05.400
we're tech all the time. AI is everywhere has taken

1162
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:09.239
over everything, Like people are losing that connection with nature,

1163
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:13.559
even our ancestors. Maybe had one hundred years ago, hundred

1164
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:16.159
and fifty years ago, ninety percent of the population lives

1165
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:18.840
so much closer to the land than we do today,

1166
00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:20.480
and I think we've lost that connection. So I think

1167
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:22.960
that's a lot of people want nature as kind of

1168
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:25.360
that out But it's really not that hard. You know,

1169
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:27.960
unless you live in the middle of New York City,

1170
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:29.519
you might have to drive a little further with that.

1171
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:32.079
Other places, you can get out there and do your

1172
00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:34.679
own adventures and it's really not that difficult. It don't

1173
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.159
take it for me. Just do your own research, go

1174
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:39.320
out there, have fun with it. I think having fun

1175
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:42.199
with is the most important thing. If you're not enjoying it,

1176
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:44.880
it's probably not fun. And believe me, even the times

1177
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:47.320
where you spend a week in West Virginia and it

1178
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:49.320
rains like ninety percent of the time like it did

1179
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:52.519
for us recently, which is miserable in the moment, but

1180
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:54.840
later on, you don't really remember that stuff. You just

1181
00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:58.159
remember the fun, positive helt of it. And you know,

1182
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:00.360
anyone can go out and do this type of research.

1183
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:04.400
I would implore people, you know, try to do some

1184
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:09.039
sort of scientific methodology as in just like basic data recording,

1185
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:12.840
so write down you know, the basic data or nowadays

1186
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:14.719
with phones and stuff, you can really make sure you

1187
00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:17.840
write down your location. It has all that metadata, weather

1188
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:20.960
patterns and if you have something weird happen, document it right,

1189
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:23.960
film it. One of the things I really like to see,

1190
00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:26.639
what I like to plant is get a three D

1191
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:29.079
scanning app. So like scan.

1192
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.079
Averse scanner vers is awesome.

1193
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:34.199
Yeah, cannivers is great. Everyone's got iPhones now and you

1194
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:36.199
can go in and you know, get a three D

1195
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:39.119
scan of a footprint like this one that I got

1196
00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:41.960
in Alaska where you can see, like, you know, there's details.

1197
00:57:41.960 --> 00:57:44.440
And what's so cool is my friend in Washington can

1198
00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:46.639
send me his three D scan of a print he

1199
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:48.719
got and I can look at it for myself, you know.

1200
00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:51.039
So get your normal pictures, like if you come across

1201
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:53.719
a track or a cool find, or really anything you

1202
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:57.280
find interesting. Use the technology we have at our hands. Like, yes,

1203
00:57:57.559 --> 00:57:59.920
tech can be bad, and you know there's a lot

1204
00:57:59.920 --> 00:58:04.480
of negative consequences, but we have abilities that ten years

1205
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:07.400
ago people wouldn't have imagined. You have to carry plaster.

1206
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:10.400
And now let's say you find a footprint data collection,

1207
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:13.880
three D scan it. Get your pictures with a scale

1208
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:16.239
item pack a dollar bill. If you can't have a

1209
00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:18.719
tape measure, a dollar bills is a uniform item you

1210
00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:21.119
can put next to the tracks, use your hand or

1211
00:58:21.159 --> 00:58:24.280
a shoe, because that's not universal, So do that. So

1212
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:26.119
you now have two pieces of evidence. You've got a

1213
00:58:26.119 --> 00:58:29.039
three D scan, your photo is your video and then

1214
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:30.800
if you get a plaster cast, so you get like

1215
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:33.719
multiple pieces of evidence out of you know, one kind

1216
00:58:33.760 --> 00:58:37.760
of like data collection trips. So it might not prove Bigfoot,

1217
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:40.159
but it's something that you can then pass off to

1218
00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:43.880
somebody maybe that could use that data and say, here's

1219
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:46.239
all my info and they have a way to look

1220
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:48.760
at it and verify, okay, this happened here. And then

1221
00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:53.000
and do your best, do your due diligence to document

1222
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:54.360
this stuff because at the end of the day, I

1223
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:56.679
mean this is it's a cool experience to find something

1224
00:58:56.760 --> 00:58:59.159
that got on your own and to make sure you

1225
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:01.760
document it really and yeah, and again I think that

1226
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:03.840
the seed all the plan again is that one about

1227
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:06.280
just get out there and have fun, going to an adventure.

1228
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:08.159
You know, it doesn't have to be super.

1229
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:10.760
Serious, and you know, if you're physically able to, you know,

1230
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:13.280
go out to some cool places and just be smart,

1231
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:15.840
be safe about it. But you know the world is,

1232
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:18.960
you know, it's too short to live in this like

1233
00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:20.800
constant fear or anger.

1234
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:22.239
You really got to get out there and.

1235
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:25.039
Appreciate some of these incredible places. I could be right

1236
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:25.800
in your backyard.

1237
00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:30.079
Absolutely, So tell us where we can find you one

1238
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:30.760
last time.

1239
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:34.039
Yeah. So most of my work is on small town Monsters.

1240
00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:36.760
You can look us up on YouTube or website. I've

1241
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:40.159
also got a channel called Alex Pettacov Adventures. That's where

1242
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:43.119
I do a little bit more different kind of videos.

1243
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:44.920
I do some reviews and stuff because I use a

1244
00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:47.679
lot of different gear and you know, different sort of

1245
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:50.280
videos than perhaps some of my small time monster stuff.

1246
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:52.840
And you can find a lot of that at Petacovmedia

1247
00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:53.519
dot com.

1248
00:59:53.559 --> 00:59:56.800
That's p E t a k o V Media dot com.

1249
00:59:56.840 --> 00:59:57.760
And I say that.

1250
00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:00.840
Because it has links to everything, Yeah, all the STM

1251
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:03.480
stuff I do, all the other series, everything you want to,

1252
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:05.000
appearances stuff.

1253
01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:08.000
I'm gonna be doing podcasts, whatever, so it's all right there.

1254
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:09.400
This will be linked on here as well.

1255
01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:13.039
Something so awesome. You know, we thank you so much

1256
01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:17.599
for having me, Thanks for coming on for sure, absolutely

1257
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:20.840
man and we'll do it again, talk about We'll talk

1258
01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:23.119
about it, Yugo Slavia.

1259
01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:28.519
All right, man, Yeah, I got bad thoughts that make

1260
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.480
my mind scared, hold me hostage and they don't fight.

1261
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:34.239
Fair who don't pray for me? And white bro my tests,

1262
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:37.000
Who're gonna save me? If you're not right here? Move

1263
01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:40.000
this darkness and make my sight clear. Take me your

1264
01:00:40.079 --> 01:00:42.920
way because I don't like you. Don't stop my past day.

1265
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:45.039
Feel in the night are wake me up.

1266
01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:47.320
And trapped in my nightmass.

1267
01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:55.559
Trapped in my.

1268
01:00:55.719 --> 01:01:03.960
Nightmas, go.

1269
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:11.039
Trowning, trowning our mouth, the deeping apparitions of all my demons,

1270
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:14.519
all my thoughts are come, making treason all alone. I'm

1271
01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:19.400
going hear me screaming manifestations on my fists, regrets that

1272
01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:20.880
stretched out for light years.

1273
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:22.199
You can almost touch the light.

1274
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:25.639
Homies right there, body free but trapping my nightmare.

1275
01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:29.800
I don't let me you all the life of fade.

1276
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:34.400
All my life is faith now, all my life.

1277
01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:35.920
Is face and that fast.

1278
01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:37.679
I don't like me joy.

1279
01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:43.800
My life is fading. All my life is fading.

1280
01:01:52.760 --> 01:02:23.360
We trapped in my Nightmas, true

1281
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:42.039
School all