Feb. 12, 2026

Sasquatch Odyssey | Brian King Sharp's Strangest Encounter

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Sasquatch Odyssey | Brian King Sharp's Strangest Encounter
Sasquatch Odyssey | Brian King Sharp's Strangest Encounter
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In this engaging podcast, Brian King Sharp, a full-time podcaster, shares his journey into the world of high strangeness, including his experiences with sasquatch and other cryptids. He discusses how his background in law enforcement shapes his approach to interviewing witnesses and investigating claims, often blurring the lines between true stories and urban legends. Brian also delves into the birth of his podcast network and the compelling evidence he has encountered in his cryptozoology research, emphasizing the importance of being open-minded. Brians Links: https://linktr.ee/ParanormalWorldProductions https://paranormalworldproductions.com/

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I'm not really hearing any noises, but I'm hearing a

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couple of sticks crack and some other stuff that sounded

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like something. So I just took a shot, and I

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threw on my flashlight and shined it up this game

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trail and I.

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See this creature seven feet tall.

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I see the from the top of the head down

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to probably mid waist, and it's facing away from it.

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It's crossing across this game trail. One step just boom

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right across the trail. I lost it, dude. I was like,

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oh my god, I just saw a sasquatch across the trail.

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Broadcasts broadcasts playing Troop in the.

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Minds of the Beat and welcome to another episode of

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broadcasting see Diamond Rose Benettantan And today we've got a

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special guest. Everyone, Brian king Sharp from Sasquatch Odyssey and

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a couple other things. But Brian, tell everyone who you are,

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what you do, and where we can find you.

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Well, I am a full time podcaster. You mentioned Sasquatch Odyssey.

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That's sort of our flagship show. I host five full

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time weekly podcasts. I am definitely a glutton for punishment.

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Sasquatch Odyssey is the main show. I do another show

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called Backwoods Bigfoot Stories, where I narrate stories that people

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send to me. I mind them from other databases, from

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some historical accounts back in the past, just all kinds

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of different cool stories. Most of it's Bigfoot. There are

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some other things I do, some UFO stories. I'm in

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the process of writing out Travis Walton's story, for.

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Example, the Fire in the Sky story.

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I love those kind of tie ins with I think

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most of the stuff is connected in some way or

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the other, so I do some of those stories over

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there as well. I have another podcast called Disturbing History,

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where I do similar things. I write research and write

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stories about interesting and sometimes disturbing historical events. I do

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a lot of stuff about historical politics, founding fathers. I've

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talked about the Masons. I just did a show on

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the Vietnam War. I did one on the Cold War recently,

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and talk about some of the really disturbing things that

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have happened over the course of our history that a

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lot of people don't know about because we do get

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a lot of sanitized history in school. So I like

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to take it into a different direction, dig a little

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deeper and get into it and talk about it in

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a way that most people have never heard it talked

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about before.

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So I do that show.

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I also do a show called That Bigfoot Podcast.

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I have a co host.

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I started with a different co host and now I've

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migrated to a different host that We're gonna.

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Relaunch that show sometime later this year.

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But That Bigfoot Podcast is just a conversational based podcast

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where myself and my co host is a PhD doctor,

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Hogan Chirou, who specializes in primate behavior. He's studied gorilla's

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in the wild, chimpanzee's in the wild. He's probably spent

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four thousand or five thousand hours in the field studying

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gorillas in chimpanzee. So he brings a whole lot to

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the table when it comes to the bigfoot thing.

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As far as I'm concerned.

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I do a show called The Guilty Files, which is

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a true crime podcast. I have a history in law enforcement.

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I was a police officer for sixteen years of my life,

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so the true crime thing kind of ties into the

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background and all the things that I've done in the past.

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So and you can find those anywhere. Our website is

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Paranormal Worldproductions dot com. We have all the shows up there.

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You can find it there or anywhere you're listening to

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the show or where you're on your podcast.

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Amazing. Yeah, you're a busy, busy man, for sure.

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Never a dull moment, for sure.

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No.

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I just picked up another podcast today actually, and I'm

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like second guessing myself, so I already have two as well.

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So but anyway, the uh.

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What The first question I always ask every guest is

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what got you into this world of high strangeness? And

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that's what I'll call it, because everybody's just a little different,

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whether it's Bigfoot or UFOs or paranormal. What got you

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into this world of high strangeness?

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What a loaded question. There's so many things, so many things.

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I started as a kid.

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I'm literally in the process of I've written a couple

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of books already. I have two books out there, and

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I've written two more books this year that are in

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the final stages of me trying to finish those. But

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one of them is a I guess it's based on

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a true story because it's basically based on my life, right,

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And I was just going through that and reading some

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of the early chapters about what got me interested in

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these subjects actually, and it's a long history of things,

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but I always had a love for cryptids, lockness and

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NeSSI was my first love. I checked out every book

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I possibly could find in the library at school and

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read all I could about NeSSI watched all the documentaries

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back in the day that would come on our three

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channels that we got with our television. If I turned

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the antenna just right, I would be able to get

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something on NeSSI.

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So I had a love for those.

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But I had an experience when I was twelve years

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old in an area in this house that we had

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moved into that we rented. We were extremely poor when

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I was growing up, so we didn't own our own house.

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We rented houses wherever we.

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Were, and this particular house came with like eighty acres

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of property. So I was out in the woods all

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the time. My mom and my dad had a horrible relationship.

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My dad was into drugs and alcohol, and my mom

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was eventually going to end up battling cancer, so she

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was already dealing with some of those things. Home life

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was horrible, so my escape was always getting out into

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the woods, and I was always out exploring different.

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Areas, and I had my little B B gun that.

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I would take out. I saw myself as a great.

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Hunter, great hunter.

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I would shoot a lot of things, miss most things right,

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and if I did hit something, I'd usually cry about

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it later.

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So, but I was out.

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There was this one particular area near the house. It

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was probably about eight hundred yards or so away from

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the house. It wasn't a huge distance, but now, you

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grew up in North George, right, Yeah. This was in

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the North Georgia Mountains, in the Somerville area of North

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Georgia borders right on the northwestern tip of Georgia near Tennessee,

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and we had all these woods and there was this

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one area that I just I can't even really describe it.

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It was just one of those things that gave me

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the hebe Gebi's I guess it's the best way to

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put it. I just didn't want to go in there.

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Something just told me to stay away from that area.

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But I'd explored most of that eighty acres, and you know,

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I was a twelve.

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Year old kid with a lot of vibrato, and I thought.

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Okay, I'm just gonna go out and I'm gonna go

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into this area, right. So I eventually found my way

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into this area one particular day, and just a few

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steps in I knew that I was probably making a mistake.

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I don't know this wall of fear, and it's really

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difficult to describe. But if you've been into big foot

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a while, you know people talk about that feeling, the

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hair standing up on the back of your neck.

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You feel like you're being watched.

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You get this overwhelming fear and feeling of dread. That's

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kind of what I was experiencing. Yeah, but I pressed

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on right so I get in that area. Long story short,

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I had an experience with something that I didn't see,

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but there was huffing, it was growling, there was a

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lot of vocalizations. There was some bipedal, very heavy something walking.

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I knew the difference in a deer. I initially thought

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it could possibly be a bear, but I could tell

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that it was bipedal, it was walking on two feet,

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and it culminated with a bluff charge. I didn't know

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what a bluff charge was at twelve, but obviously being

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in the subject for as long as I have and

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doing the research that I've done into other primates, particularly gorillas,

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I now know that what happened was a bluff charge,

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and it was on the other side of this heavy

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dense area with a bunch of underbrush and a bunch

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of thick trees that I couldn't see what it was,

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but I definitely knew something was there, and I even

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described it in other interviews on other podcasts in the past,

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and even on my own show and in the book

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is I felt like at the time, my legs turned

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into four by fours and they were literally stuck it

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to the ground.

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Yeah, just care cemented.

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Everything in my body was telling me get the hell

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out of here, run now, but I couldn't move. I

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was just frozen, and it felt like obviously it felt

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like an hour that just went on. It was probably

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twenty five seconds of this, and then something happened.

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The fight or flight kicked in. It was all flight.

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I was gone.

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I turned around, I ran the eight hundred yards back

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to the house, jumped.

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Over the barbaroar.

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Our fence, landed in the yard, and my mom was

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right there inside the house and in the kitchen doing

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her thing at the sink. And I was very close

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with my mom, but I didn't tell her anything. I

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was like, you know, I'm trying to process in my brain.

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I'm scared out of my mind. I should tell her

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what happened, But I'm not stupid. I knew if I

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told her, I would probably never see the woods again,

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or at least not for a long time. Right, So

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I didn't tell her anything. I just went on into

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my room, did whatever, and I eventually, I think I

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told her, like three years ago, I actually told her

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the story for the first time. Wow, it's been a

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lot of years. But we had other weird things going

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on in that house. There were the people who owned it.

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The man who owned it, his two sons had lived

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there prior to us, that had lived there for a

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couple of years. And this was a very small town.

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We're talking. I don't even know if we had a

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caution light. I think it was more like a stop sign.

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So it was a very small town. Everybody knew everybody,

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everybody knew everybody's business, and word gets around in a

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small town, and they were This was probably back in

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this is the mid eighties, so we're talking the Satanic

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panic era when everybody was talking about devil worship and

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heavy metal music, and you know what, Marilyn Manson was

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making the kids do this, that.

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Or the other. So there was a lot of that

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going on.

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But there was rumors about these guys being into devil worship,

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as it was called around those parts. And when we

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moved in the house, I quickly started experiencing some weird,

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high strangeness things. I was hearing voices at night, I

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was hearing scratching on the walls, and I was having

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multiple experiences where I would wake up in the middle

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of the night to a dark entity standing over my bell,

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to the point where there's many nights I wouldn't sleep

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in my room. I would take my pillow and a

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blanket and I would I would go across the hall

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to my mom and dad's room and sleep in the

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floor because.

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I don't want to hang out with the shadow person.

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No, I did not want to hang out with shadow man.

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I was scared out of my mind and I was,

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you know, I was prepubescent. I was around twelve thirteen,

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going into puberty. There's a lot of turmoil in the house.

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There's a lot of.

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Things going on, you know, And I've always been a

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very skeptical person. I've always been a very Ockham's Razor

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kind of guy. So I've always tried to explain in

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a way as maybe I was just manifesting these things.

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aren't doing well.

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There's a lot of turmoil.

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have said, you know, that's a breeding ground for a

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lot of this kind of activity. If it was in

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fact something potentially demonic or some sort of entity that

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was dealing or that was left behind in the house, whatever,

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it is possible that I was feeding that. With all

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these things, the turmoil, we hear a lot of stories.

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The Exorciste comes to mind. You know, that was a

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Linda Blair obviously played that character in the movie, but

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that is actually based on loosely based on a true

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story of a boy who went through that, who was

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around the age of twelve or thirteen. So there's a

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lot of these stories about pubescence and coming into your own,

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whether it be man, woman, and turmoil and trauma. So,

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you know, I don't really know what to make of

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all that stuff. I didn't know it then, but after

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I had these conversations with my mom later in life,

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she told me and confided in me that even though

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my dad was on drugs and alcohol.

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So let's take that with a grand of salt.

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he had also had experienced some of the similar things

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I was experiencing in the house that she didn't know

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about because I wasn't really telling her a whole lot

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back then.

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But when we compared notes to what he had told

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her and he was experiencing, she chalked it up to

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his drug abuse and or alcoholism. But I was experiencing

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the same thing, and I wasn't on alcohol or drugs,

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So when you put those two stories together, it appears

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we were experiencing the same thing. So there was a

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lot of trauma and a lot of things.

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But yeah, that was sort of my introduction into the strange,

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high strangeness of Bigfoot and cryptids and potentially some ghost

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stuff as well.

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Yeah, all that stuff. So you brought up earlier that

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you were a lawn for some officer for sixteen years.

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How how do you think that's shaped your approach at

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like interviewing witnesses and or guests and investigating claims.

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I think it's helped tremendously because of the training I

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went through. I was a City of Atlanta cop for

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years and it was a paramilitary academy. Six months of training,

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got all kinds of interrogation training. I'd had some previous

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interrogation training before that in my previous law enforcement career,

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so I was pretty adept at interviews and getting to

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the bottom of whether someone was telling me the truth

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or not.

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But that when I started doing this.

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I started Sasquatch Odyssey back in twenty twenty one. It

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was February the seventh or so I posted the first

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episode of the show, and going into that, I'd been

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out of law enforcement for several years at that point.

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I left APD back in twenty sixteen and we moved

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up to our property here in North Carolina, and I

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knew I wanted to start the podcast specifically to talk

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to people in the southeastern United States who had seen

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or had encounters with these creatures sasquatch. I'm talking YEP.

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And I wanted to make sure that I wasn't known

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as the guy who interrogated his guests, right.

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I wanted to have a potential career in podcasting, so

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I wanted to be as inviting as I could. I

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wanted to have the reputation of, Hey, this guy takes

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you your encounter seriously, you treat you with respect. It's

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a quote unquote buzzword safe space for you to come

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and share your story, no matter what that is. So

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I had to almost undo the training because I did

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not want to go in with any preconceived notions. Anybody

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who's been on my show has known that I don't

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get into the encounters beforehand.

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I specifically avoid that.

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Because I want to hear everything fresh for the first

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time when I'm talking to the person for the first

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time face to face, because I want to have that

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reaction just the same as my audience. So I don't

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get into the encounter, so I'm hearing everything firsthand for

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the first time in real time. So I didn't want

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to be like, oh wait a minute, now, let me

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ask a few questions to trip you up, maybe go

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back and ask you four times if you you know,

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and tell you figure out your lie. That's not my

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intent here. My intent, literally is just to get the story.

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That's all I want is the encounter. I want to

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talk about it. I want to ask you some follow

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up questions, and I want to put it out there

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for people because I think it's important to get those

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anecdotal stories out there. It's data for people to mind

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and compare to maybe get some answers about this subject.

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So that's how I've always approached it.

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But the law enforcement training and the investigative aspect has

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been the most enjoyable part of it because I can

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go out and look at things from a very skeptical

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point of view, from a very Malkham's raisor common sense,

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critical thinking point of view, just like I would a

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crime scene. So if I've been out on expedition or

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I'm going out to talk to somebody about their story,

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I have that background to stand on to go out

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and say, hey, have you thought about this? Was it

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potentially that? Or could it have been this? Or how

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tall do you really think this thing was? And ask

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some of those follow up questions and maybe see it

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from a different perspective that maybe someone without a law

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enforcement background may not be able to see or may

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not have the skills to do. So it's definitely helped there.

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So it's been a blessing and a curse in those ways,

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because yeah, I've and I think anybody. I'm seven hundred

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plus episodes into the show, and I've probably interviewed another

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two or three hundred, maybe even more people in person

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at speaking events and book signings and conferences and festivals,

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and I don't think anybody's ever walked away saying, man,

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I think that guy was interrogating me.

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So that's a good thing.

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Yeah, I think that's a good thing because that's why

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people continue to come on the show, because they know

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that they're going to be treated fairly.

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They're good. You know, there's I make no qualms about it.

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There's stories I've walked away from that I've aired on

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the show and go, of course, yeah, I'm not exactly

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true that that happened entirely the way that that person related,

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But hey, it's their story, it's their opinion, it's their encounter.

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Take what you want, leave the rest you decide as

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the audience is not up to debate that. So it's

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just not the approach I take on the show.

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Yeah, So, how you've been doing this a little while,

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So how did Paranormal World productions? Like how is it born?

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And what what is your vision for it?

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Like what.

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It was really born?

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Almost out of necessity because the first show, Sasquatch Odyssey

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was all about Bigfoot, right, But I have way more

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interest than just Bigfoot. I've had encounters with what I

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believe to be possible demonic.

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Entities, just like we talked about.

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I've had experiences and other haunted houses.

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I've had UFO.

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Experiences, and I've had that interest in other cryptids. So

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if you've been in Bigfoot long enough, you know most

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people are purest. They don't mix their UFOs and Bigfoot.

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They don't mix their dog Man with Bigfoot. They want

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their Bigfoot straight up, maybe sometimes over the rocks, but

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that's as far as it goes, right. If you mess

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with the sauce too much after that point, you lose people.

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So I initially started another show called Paranormal.

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Odyssey, where I talked about those other things.

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I was able to have interviews with people who were psychics,

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or people who had out of body experiences or near

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death experiences or UFO abduction stories, or encounters with dog

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Man or rakes or the one of those California crawler.

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Fresno crawlers or whatever.

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Yeah, I interviewed a guy who it had an encounter

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with a Chupacabra, just weird, crazy story. So that was

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sort of the place that I could a repository to

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put those stories, and that show took off and became

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a pretty decent success.

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As well, but it got a little overwhelming.

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Doing two full time shows and still trying to learn

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the business. So I eventually ended up giving that to

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another host and that that show is now called The

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Bigfoot Report, So it's been through its progressions. But yeah, yeah,

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I started wanting to collaborate. I love to collaborate you

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and I I've had you on my show in the past.

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I love to meet and collaborate with other creators and

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people in the space because that's how you learn, right

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You get different opinions and different takes on things. So

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I love to collaborate with people. So I put together

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the network really or the studio to be able to

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do that. So we brought on other shows that have

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worked with us and are a part of our network

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that some of them don't have.

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Anything to do with Bigfoot. Some of them are different shows.

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So that's kind of way the way that it was born,

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and then we just kept adding to it. I'm a

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history buff. I love history, So the show Disturbing History

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was born. And then, you know, I love telling stories.

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We can't interview everybody, right, there's stories out there that

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happened in the seventies and eighties and sixties and fifties,

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and these people are either they don't want to tell

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their story or they're gone. And the only place these

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stories live or somewhere in written text on the interwebs, right,

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So we go out, we dig them up, and I

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rewrite everything that's on the show. Because most people aren't writers.

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It has to be palatable and it has to be narratable.

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So I usually rewrite the stories. I don't change the stories.

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I just add to them where it flows and those

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kind of things, and I narrate them on the backwoods

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Bigfoot stories. And then the true crime thing is the same.

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You know, it's part of my interest. It's something I've

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always loved and that is now a part of the

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network as well. So, yeah, Paranol War Production Studios is

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and you know, we've done some documentaries. I've appeared in

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other documentary films, and I envision that we may end

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up getting into some of that on our own and

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maybe doing some of those actual films documentaries in the

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future is part of the studio.

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Who knows we We collaborate with a lot of different people.

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I'm actually I'm going out on an expedition sometime here

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in the spring with Less Stroud Survivor Man and Less

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is doing a documentary, so we're gonna be filming for

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his new documentary, The Question of Bigfoot while we're out

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on expedition.

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So awesome.

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I'm always interested in those kind of things. I like

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to dabble in different things. I like to I'm a creator,

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so I love to create anything, and it's just the studio.

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The studio gives me a little bit more of a

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creative outlet to take things in different places that I

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wouldn't normally go just doing a big Foot Encounter show.

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Yeah, I get it. I I can't stop myself. I

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just like because this started as a Bigfoot podcast and

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then it was like I can't just do Bigfoot, so

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I and I know, I take a hit for it,

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and that's fine, it is what it is. But oh

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my gosh, Like I I talk about everything now, so

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I get it. Like, with all your research and interviews

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talking like cryptids now, have you noticed like any patterns

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in the way sasquatch or or cryptid encounters unfold that

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skeptics might find compelling.

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There are some different definite patterns as far as the

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skeptical angle or then finding it compelling. I don't know

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either way, honestly, because I'm a skeptic. I'm skeptical, you know. Eventually,

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I had some counters with these things last summer, so

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I got to see them myself, so I now know

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that they're real. So I'm only skeptical about people now,

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people their evidence and their encounter stories.

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Yeah, so that is one of those things for me.

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I've seen a trend. I think over the last several

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years of interviewing so many people, there seems to be

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this trend. And I've done shows about bigfoot and pop culture.

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My first books that's Watch on Leash The Truth Behind

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the Legend I talk about. I do an entire chapter

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on bigfoot and pop culture and how that has affected

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the research. Because I do think that I consider myself

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a researcher at least an investigator in the subject. So

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when I'm interviewing people and i'm these podcasts, what we're

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doing right now is like a repository for information and

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data that will live on. As long as this is

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out there in the airways for people, it's going to

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be their perpetuity, for people to look back on one

472
00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:01.000
hundred years ago and say, man, what were Brian and

473
00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:03.519
Bennett talking about in January twenty twenty six.

474
00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:06.880
How are things changed fifty years from now? Right?

475
00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:09.559
So when I get into that part of it, and

476
00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:12.799
I start looking at doing all these interviews, and you

477
00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:16.480
see the patterns. I actually did a show on this,

478
00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:19.039
and this is kind of a controversial thing. I think,

479
00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:21.839
at least it was for some of my listeners. I'd

480
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:26.000
never seen the legend of Boggy Creek ooh until literally

481
00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:29.359
like two years ago, and I had some on that

482
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:31.799
Bigfoot podcast. One of the things that we do is

483
00:25:31.960 --> 00:25:35.680
we're very open and honest about the Bigfoot community. We

484
00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:38.839
talk about hoaxers, we talk about hoaxes, we talk about

485
00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:41.160
what's going on in the community. Some of the things

486
00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:44.240
that piste us off about the community. Everybody has those things,

487
00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:46.039
so we talk about them on the show. And I

488
00:25:46.039 --> 00:25:55.680
actually did an entire episode talking about how people wrote

489
00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:58.359
in and said, how could you consider yourself a real

490
00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:02.599
Bigfoot investigator researcher and do a podcast on Bigfoot when

491
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:06.160
you've never seen the Legend of Boggy Creek. And it

492
00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:09.480
was kind of a joke for me. My co host

493
00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:11.160
at the time, but he had never seen it either,

494
00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:14.319
so we're like, you know what, let's watch it. So

495
00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:16.680
we watched it. I was here in North Carolina, he

496
00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:18.880
was at home in Tennessee, and we're texting back and

497
00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:21.480
forth as we're watching this movie, and I walked away

498
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:22.720
from the Legend of Boggy Creek.

499
00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:25.960
I took like two pages of notes while I was watching.

500
00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:29.839
This movie, and I was literally writing down everything that

501
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:34.759
was said about what this creature did, how it moved,

502
00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:39.240
the smells, the sounds, the sights, the dogs won't track.

503
00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:42.000
Now we're talking this movie, I think I don't know

504
00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:44.119
for sure, but I'm thinking about seventy one is when

505
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:48.079
this movie came out, so we're talking fifty plus years ago.

506
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:52.559
And I asked my co host at the time, it

507
00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:54.680
just a light bulb went off from me when I

508
00:26:54.720 --> 00:27:00.039
was watching this movie, and I said, is it possible that,

509
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:03.480
at at least on some level, this movie that is

510
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:08.200
so popular with everybody who's into the subject, they're taking

511
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:11.160
everything that was in that movie and applying it to

512
00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:16.039
the subject meaning they're encounters.

513
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:19.559
Yeah, because I could see it for sure.

514
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:23.119
The vocalizations are the same, the way it moves is

515
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:28.039
the same, the smell, the growls, the all the things. Right,

516
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:31.279
if you take an interview that I do today or

517
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:34.319
you do today, and you compare it with what's in

518
00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:38.480
the legend of Boggy Creek, you're going to be about

519
00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:41.559
eighty percent of every encounter that lasts more than a

520
00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.000
couple of seconds is going to have a majority of

521
00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:50.880
those same things. And now the opposite of that could

522
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:53.720
be true as well. Maybe that's just what happens with

523
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:54.920
bigfoot encounters.

524
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:56.559
Right maybe right.

525
00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:58.680
I'm sure there's people listening to this right now that

526
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:00.559
are screaming you've done it.

527
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:02.319
It's because that's what happens.

528
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:05.920
Okay, I get it, right, But you have to think

529
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:09.160
about those things. So I have seen that as a

530
00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:13.000
pattern that is developed in bigfoot encounter and most cryptid

531
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:16.079
encounters just in general. You see those through lines of

532
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:21.000
these commonalities let's call them, that tend to happen. And

533
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:24.920
I think the more popular the subject becomes, and my

534
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:28.160
podcast is one of those very things that people take

535
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:32.200
those things from now, and there are people that may

536
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:39.279
not be entirely accurate in their descriptions, let's say, of

537
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:42.599
what happened to them. I'm trying to find a very

538
00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:49.200
politically yes, but they have those things as a foundation. Oh,

539
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:52.079
I heard that on his show, and that might be

540
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:53.720
a good thing to add to my encount.

541
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:53.960
You know.

542
00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:57.920
So those things happened, But in general, I think I've

543
00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:00.359
seen that through and through and there are some stick

544
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:04.000
out there, some very interesting encounters, and that tends to

545
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:06.640
be where I try to go more often when I

546
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:10.279
hear something strange about an encounter. I interviewed a guy

547
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:13.440
who's about two hours away from me here in North Carolina.

548
00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:17.160
I do camp outs and speaking gigs sometimes where people

549
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:18.880
are able to come and camp out with me for

550
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:20.440
a couple of days and we hang out and go

551
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:22.599
out big footing and have a great time.

552
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:23.640
And it was at one of.

553
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:27.599
Those meetings that I had, or those campouts I had

554
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:29.920
a couple of years ago. I'd met him through a

555
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.759
mutual friend of mine who had interviewed him about his encounter.

556
00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:35.880
He and his son were in an area driving by.

557
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:39.319
We were literally twenty feet away from where he had

558
00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:42.880
his encounter. When I interviewed him This was years before,

559
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:46.680
maybe ten years or twelve years before this interview. But

560
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:49.519
he and his son were driving along this road and

561
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:52.160
there's a big bridge there, and there's a big concrete

562
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:57.160
pillar to this bridge, and they see this creature that

563
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:00.759
squatted down like kind of on off and it's kind

564
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:04.279
of holding its hands in and it had something weird

565
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:08.920
in its hands. It was this piece of pink plastic

566
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:10.839
like a tube.

567
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:12.400
In its hand.

568
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:15.200
It almost looked like initially, he said, it looked like

569
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:19.039
a pool noodle or something. They passed by it. It

570
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:21.799
was really fast. This thing stood up when they passed by.

571
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:25.480
They got to see it fully stand up. They're like, wow,

572
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:28.039
what was that? They stopped, They turn around, they go

573
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:32.880
back looking for footprints. They actually found where it was standing.

574
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:39.240
It was grassy, so there wasn't really impressions per se

575
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:41.759
where they could see toes and detail, but there was

576
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.200
clear impressions of where this thing had stood, and there

577
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:47.839
were impressions where he said it looked like it was

578
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:50.880
either pushing up with its hands or its knees were

579
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:54.400
on the ground as well. And they had the pillar

580
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.680
that was there for reference, and I think he said

581
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:01.799
this thing was probably seven and a half feet tall, tall, hairy,

582
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:07.480
bipedal ape like creature, and he there was an area

583
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:10.839
just across the street where there was a dumpster, like

584
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:13.039
these areas where you can bring you know, you live

585
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:15.480
in the country, you don't have trash pick up yet

586
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.000
to take your trash to the dump There was an

587
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:23.039
old like hard house or something where this piece of

588
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:26.240
pink plastic that this creature had in its hands came from.

589
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:29.200
They found it next to the dumpster. So there was

590
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:31.400
this correlation, like this thing had picked this up and

591
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:32.839
for whatever reason was holding it.

592
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:34.440
I don't know if it was playing with it or

593
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:36.000
just thought it interesting or what.

594
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:39.240
But that's one of those little details in a story.

595
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:42.000
How often do you hear a story where somebody says

596
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:46.440
the Bigfoot is carrying something? Yeah, I've probably heard three

597
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:50.920
accounts and all the ones i've every documented where these

598
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:55.000
creatures are seen carrying an item of some kind. So

599
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:57.759
those kind of things stick out to me. But in general,

600
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:01.279
most of the stories are pretty much the same. Which, again,

601
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:05.759
if you play Devil's advocate and say, well, maybe it's

602
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:09.319
because they've had this foundation for so many years of

603
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:14.839
what to say, But it's also the possibility of that's

604
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:17.680
just what happens in these encounters. So that was a

605
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:19.480
very long, winted answer to a short.

606
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:25.000
Quart No, No, it's great. What's the most compelling physical

607
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:28.640
evidence you've encountered or like been involved with.

608
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:33.319
Well, hands down being involved with would be. I was

609
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:37.920
filming a documentary last summer. It just recently came out.

610
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:41.960
It's available on Amazon Prime. As we're recording this should

611
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:46.000
be in some more places eventually over the next couple

612
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:49.079
of months. But it's called My Bigfoot Life, and we

613
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:53.400
were recording out we were recording out in. It started

614
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:58.759
in the UK. The backstory of the documentary, even though

615
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:02.200
it's called My Bigfoot Life, it's more about Daniel Lee Barnett.

616
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.039
I've met Daniel Yeah, he's now a sixteen year old

617
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:10.319
autistic kid from the UK, and it's about his life

618
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:11.160
and his journey.

619
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:12.400
And all the people he's met in Bigfoot.

620
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:16.559
So started over in the UK with him, Ronnie LeBlanc,

621
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:20.920
Ryan rpg Glembeski, and Renee Holland from Finding Bigfoot.

622
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:21.680
We're over there.

623
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.720
The whole team eventually makes it over to the United States.

624
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:27.960
I meet them out in Washington State. We meet up

625
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:30.119
with Bobo from finding Bigfoot, and we go out to

626
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:35.359
the Olympic Project headquarters out in Washington State and we

627
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:39.400
start filming and we're going through our processes. There's some

628
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:42.799
things that happened that caused a delay for a lot

629
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:44.319
of the team getting there, so we were kind of

630
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:47.319
behind schedule and we had to split up into two groups.

631
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:50.519
I went on the part of the team that was

632
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:52.519
going to scout a couple of areas that we wanted

633
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:54.319
to shoot at at night. We knew we were going

634
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:56.279
to do a night I can do some shooting, and

635
00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:57.880
we didn't want to go in blind. We kind of

636
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.640
wanted to set up and see what the terrain was like,

637
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:02.359
how many people are going to be But to get in,

638
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:04.720
can we get the camera rigs in? We had the

639
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:07.400
camera crew with these one hundred thousand dollars camera rigs.

640
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:09.920
You can't just take them anywhere, right, There's got to

641
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:12.960
be egress and ingress to get in and out. So

642
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:18.360
we're doing the scouting during the day and we start

643
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:22.079
hearing whistling. I can't whistle, but it's literally just like

644
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:24.400
a hey over here kind of whistle.

645
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:26.000
Okay, somebody would do in the.

646
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:29.199
Woods, and it's kind of following us in the tree

647
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:32.480
line as we're going down this path that we're kind

648
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:34.760
of trying to stick to to stay out of the

649
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.960
thick stuff, and we're following this stuff around, and we're

650
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:38.840
hearing this whistle.

651
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:41.480
And I heard a whistle, and I looked in the

652
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:45.800
direction where I'd last heard it, and probably.

653
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:49.559
Seventy five yards away in this big, thick stand of trees,

654
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:54.239
I see a face peek out from behind a tree.

655
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:55.400
It was really quick.

656
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:59.880
I got three peaks, just like boom, boom, boom, Probably

657
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.199
less than two seconds. I saw this thing peak out

658
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:05.079
from behind the tree three times in the general vicinity

659
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:09.519
where we had heard this whistle. Are these whistles coming from?

660
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:12.559
I got everybody's attention. I told everybody what i'd seen,

661
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.320
where i'd seen it. We're trying to find the tree.

662
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:18.039
Make sure you know we're trying to get there. It

663
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:21.159
was seventy five or eighty yards, but there was no

664
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:24.599
way we could safely get from where we were to

665
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:29.440
that area to try to investigate further and not break

666
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.599
an ankle and or take three hours to get there

667
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:35.559
because of just how thick it was to get through

668
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:37.079
the terrain, and it was going up a little bit

669
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:39.119
of an embankment, so we had to make the call

670
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:40.639
of okay, we got to move on. We got to

671
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:43.159
go scout this area daylights. We're losing daylight. We got

672
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.199
to keep pressing on to production. Schedules do not wait

673
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:50.280
for anybody. They do not, especially when you're behind. So

674
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:53.760
we ended up finishing our scouting. We came back to

675
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:57.840
that area that we scouted. Eventually, it was either that

676
00:35:57.960 --> 00:35:59.679
night or the following night because we had some weather

677
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:01.519
moving in and there was some rain, so we had

678
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:04.039
to wait on the weather to pass, and then we

679
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:07.559
went out that night, same thing. We get into that area,

680
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:10.440
past that area, a little bit deeper into the woods.

681
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:13.960
This time we're hearing whistling, but this time it's at night,

682
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:18.679
so we're following that it's following us. It feels like

683
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.400
it's paralleling us and whistling to get our attention, which

684
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:26.719
was really strange to me. Bubo had his thermal with him.

685
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:29.159
He has a thermal monocular that he's had for years.

686
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:31.800
He pulls that out. He and Daniel are looking back

687
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:34.199
and forth. They're passing it through. They get a heat signature.

688
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:38.559
Bubo picks up a fairly large heat signature maybe fifty

689
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:42.000
yards into the woods from where we're standing, and Bubo

690
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.679
turns around and goes, well, it's gonna go check it out,

691
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:46.639
And of course I was like, I'm going.

692
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:50.079
If it's possibly a sasquatch, I'm going straight forward, right,

693
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:54.039
So everybody hangs back. I go into that area.

694
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:55.280
And they're trying to tell me, you know, while I

695
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:57.599
can still hear them, they're trying to direct me to

696
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:02.079
that area. And then other heat signature pops up while

697
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:07.199
I'm walking to that area. So there's now two heat signatures,

698
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:10.559
pretty large. One's kind of behind the tree, so it's

699
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:13.760
very difficult to see make anything out, but it's clear

700
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:17.639
something's there. Now there's two somethings. So I come back.

701
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:21.559
I get Chris, who's another member of the party. Chris

702
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:23.679
is a guy from the UK. He was on the

703
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:27.639
Queen's guard. He's huge, six foot four, built like a

704
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.039
bat truck. Yeah, built like a sasquatch. So Chris and

705
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:34.840
I go running off into the woods together. The interesting

706
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.760
part about where we were back to the camera rigs

707
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.360
and the guys on the camera crew they could not

708
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:43.559
get where we were going in the woods, so they

709
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:46.400
had to hang back on this little path, and the

710
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:50.679
only cameras we had were Ryan RPG had I call

711
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:54.159
it his nineteen nineties Sony Handicam.

712
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:57.519
That happened, Yeah, yeah, yeah, this tiny little thing.

713
00:37:57.639 --> 00:37:59.880
He's running around the woods filming on this little tin

714
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:02.480
camer that he bought from a yard sale, probably in

715
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:05.400
nineteen ninety six. And then a couple of the guys

716
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.920
had go pros. Daniel had to go pro, his dad

717
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:09.760
Craig had to go pro, and Chris had to go

718
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:11.920
pro on the back of his hat and one on

719
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:14.920
his chest. That's all the cameras we had filming at

720
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:18.800
the time. So Chris pushes into the woods with me.

721
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:21.480
The rest of the team kind of starts making their

722
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:23.800
way in, and Chris and I are off maybe forty

723
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:28.920
five fifty yards away from the team. But prior to

724
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:32.400
Chris getting up with me, after hearing this whistling and

725
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:36.679
stuff I start hearing. I've tried to describe it before,

726
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:39.320
but the best way I can describe it is if

727
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:41.280
you go out into a creek like we have here,

728
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:43.679
a river and you pick up some three or four

729
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:45.880
river rocks and you just kind of jostle them around

730
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:49.280
in your hand. That clacking sound that it makes. That's

731
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:53.079
kind of what I was hearing. So I'm following that

732
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:55.519
the whistles have stopped, but I'm hearing this. So I'm

733
00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:57.920
walking towards why I'm hearing this, and I get to

734
00:38:57.960 --> 00:38:59.960
a game trail that's maybe three three and a half

735
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:04.440
feet across. It's not very wide, it's not very deep

736
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:06.880
that I can see, and I'm trying not to use

737
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.239
my flashlights. I'm trying to let my eyes adjust, and

738
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:13.119
I can see that I'm looking at this trail. I'm

739
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.440
not really hearing any noises, but I'm hearing a couple

740
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:18.559
of sticks crack and some other stuff that sounded like something.

741
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:20.920
So I just took a shot and I threw on

742
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:25.440
my flashlight and shined it up this game trail, and

743
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:33.480
I see this creature seven feet tall. I see from

744
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:38.360
the top of the head down to probably mid waist,

745
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:41.199
and it's facing away from it. It's crossing across this

746
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:44.960
game trail. One step just boom, right across the trail.

747
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:47.840
I lost it, dude. I was like, oh my god,

748
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:50.239
I just saw a sasquatch across the trail in my

749
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:53.320
flashlight beam. So Chris comes up. I'm telling Chris what

750
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:57.000
just happened. We kind of go converge. We let that

751
00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:59.320
die down for a second. I'm trying to catch my breath,

752
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:05.119
and we hear again. I don't know how to describe

753
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:09.239
it other than it sounded like a if you can

754
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:15.239
imagine a five hundred pound man with hard soled boots

755
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:18.599
jumped out of a tree from maybe ten feet, just.

756
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:21.840
The big thud. Yeah, And we both looked at each

757
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:23.880
other like, did you hear that? Yeah? I heard that?

758
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:24.760
What did you hear?

759
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:28.559
It sounded like something big jumped out of a tree.

760
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:32.159
It's the only way I can describe it. So we

761
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:35.440
kind of are following where these sounds are moving from

762
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:38.280
left to right, so we kind of follow those. At

763
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:40.599
this point, Daniel had made it into the woods. Ryan

764
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:42.960
is there running around with this on the handicam, and

765
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:47.360
Craig's there with Daniel. Chris is kind of off to

766
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:50.679
my left and it kind of comes around behind me,

767
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:55.800
and I hear Daniel saying I see eye shine, I

768
00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:59.480
see eye shine, and it's pointing up this little ridge,

769
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:02.400
and I'm like I kind of moved in front of him.

770
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:05.519
He's probably fifteen feet to my right with his dad

771
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:09.159
and Craig and Chris and Ryan is on my left,

772
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:11.480
and I'm kind of in front of everybody. I move

773
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:14.559
up about ten feet and I look where he's pointing,

774
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:22.400
and I see these two huge, glowing white eyes about

775
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:25.000
seven and a half feet off the ground and the

776
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:27.119
swaying back and forth.

777
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:29.559
It's doing swaying from left to right.

778
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:33.679
And then I look and see about a foot and

779
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:37.039
a half lower than these as a smaller set of

780
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.480
glowing white eyes doing the same thing, swaying back and forth.

781
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:44.559
And I'm just I'm like, I'm in awe. I don't

782
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:49.119
know what I'm seeing. I'm confused. I'm like, what is that?

783
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.039
I see it. Everybody's like, oh, I see it moving.

784
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.800
I'm like, I have no idea what this is. So

785
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:58.079
I'm ten feet away from this at this point, and

786
00:41:58.119 --> 00:41:59.800
all I can see are these two sets of glowing

787
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:04.280
eye and they just disappear. I say disappear, but I

788
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:07.079
and I can't prove this. It's just a feeling I've

789
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:09.719
always had. I felt like they dropped to the ground.

790
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:13.920
I don't know why, but they disappear.

791
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:14.599
They're gone.

792
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.639
So as soon as they disappear, we're all kind of

793
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:23.719
like in shock, so we throw on our flashlights, and

794
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:28.679
that's when we see a creature about seven and a

795
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:33.000
half feet tall, harry on two feet walk across the

796
00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:36.079
trail in front of us. Now this time it's me,

797
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:39.119
Chris and Daniel see this. Craig was looking in a

798
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:42.719
different direction, and Ryan was in front of us filming back.

799
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:45.800
Of course, of course, just.

800
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:49.199
Me, Daniel and Chris that see it. But it's immediate.

801
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:52.079
If you watch the doc, you can hear Chris immediately

802
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:55.480
say I think they cut the explotives out that he

803
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:58.920
said in real time, but I see it move and

804
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:02.039
I'm like, thank god. I literally I think you can

805
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:04.280
hear it in the doc say you saw it right

806
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.400
or you saw it too, because I wanted immediate confirmation

807
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:10.519
that we had all just seen this thing. Daniel saw it,

808
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:13.719
I saw it, Chris Sarcken. Here's the part I do

809
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:18.079
not recommend, folks. It was probably the stupidest thing I've

810
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:22.400
ever done, but I took off running after this thing.

811
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:27.199
I chased it into the woods. You hear Daniel in

812
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:30.840
the doc saying, go Brian, go, Brian. Go. Oh no,

813
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:34.280
he's screaming go Ryan go, because Ryan was chasing me,

814
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:35.719
trying to beat me up.

815
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:36.119
The hill.

816
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:38.719
So I chased this thing. I didn't see it again.

817
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:41.039
Nobody saw it again. It was obviously in the wind.

818
00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:43.280
It was gone. Yeah, I chased it all away.

819
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:46.719
We're talking probably, I don't know. There was seven percent

820
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:49.960
maybe ten percent grade. It was tough going. We went

821
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:53.639
back the next day and I was absolutely amazed in

822
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:56.119
the daylight that nobody broke an ankle.

823
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:58.519
Or now, could you hear it in front of you

824
00:43:58.639 --> 00:43:58.840
or not?

825
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:03.039
I heard it initially, like when it stepped across. I

826
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:05.800
heard it make the step, and then after that there

827
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:06.360
was no sound.

828
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.719
Was literally if you were going after something that you

829
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:11.039
could actually audibly hear.

830
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:14.039
And I'm not saying it wasn't making noise because I

831
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:15.400
was so pumped.

832
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:18.480
At that point. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

833
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:21.000
I've been in those situations where as a police officer,

834
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:23.159
I've been in situations where I was being shot at.

835
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:25.880
Yeah, and you get they call it auditory exclusion.

836
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:30.440
Yeah right, absolutely, you get everything's tunnel vision, you're you're hearing.

837
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:34.280
Everything's basically a moot point at that point, your body's

838
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:35.400
just pumping body.

839
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:39.280
To your hands turned into sausages and exactly exactly.

840
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:42.000
Yeah, So I have no idea if it was making

841
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:44.320
any sounds at that point because I was making so

842
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:48.599
much noise running after it, cracking all this underbrush, trying

843
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:52.639
not to break my neck and die. So yeah, I

844
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:55.199
mean I was literally ten feet away from this thing

845
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:59.239
and chase it up the heel, and that was pretty

846
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:00.960
much the end of the she I mean, we shot

847
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:02.800
a little bit the next day. We've closed out with

848
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:06.639
some interviews, but that was the only night investigation we did.

849
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:08.280
We were going to try to go out the following

850
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:12.079
night and follow up in that area, but the weather

851
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:15.760
just didn't cooperate. Here's the interesting thing about that chase.

852
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:17.599
I literally was ten feet away from this thing and

853
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:20.719
I chased it up the heel. But after that happened,

854
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:23.039
we came back down. We met up with the rest

855
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:25.480
of the team. There was probably fifteen people in the

856
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:29.679
woods at this point, the whole team together, we reconvened.

857
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:33.400
We did this really cool Ryan.

858
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:34.760
Had this idea of doing like.

859
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:39.519
An Ohiohowell type call in unison with all fifteen of us.

860
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:41.760
I think some of us even harmonized. It was one

861
00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:43.880
of the coolest things I've ever done. Just kind of

862
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:46.079
at that point, it was more of a thank you

863
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:48.639
for allowed to see this kind of thing. If you

864
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:50.480
believe in that sort of stuff. I'm not really sure

865
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:53.800
I do, but that's kind of what we were going for.

866
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:56.960
But we did that, and Bobo says to me, Hey,

867
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:00.599
you know, in my experience I've talked to people and

868
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:03.559
then my own personal experiences, when you have a really

869
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:07.800
close up encounter like that, sometimes if you stay behind

870
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:12.000
or somebody stays behind alone, sometimes they'll come back in

871
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:15.880
and you will have at least something else happened. And

872
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:17.679
I was like, oh, yeah, I'm down, dude. I want

873
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:20.360
to see this thing again. This is three times in

874
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:22.480
two days, but I'm not done. I want to see

875
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:22.880
it again.

876
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:23.159
Right.

877
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:26.320
So we were about I don't know, a mile or

878
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:31.599
so from headquarters from the Ellptic Project headquarters. So everybody

879
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:33.880
goes and starts making their way back down the trail.

880
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:37.039
I'm sitting up there, My adrenaline is pumping, and I'm

881
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:40.440
kind of coming down pitch black by myself, and I'm

882
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:46.719
watching these lights disappear, and I got this overwhelming feeling

883
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:51.760
that I did not need to be there anymore. I

884
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:55.480
was scared out of my mind. The hair on the

885
00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:57.960
back of my neck was standing up, my arms were

886
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:00.760
the hair was standing on end, and I got this

887
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:05.159
really bad feeling that it's time to go. Dude. Now,

888
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:07.199
I'm not saying anything said that in my mind, and

889
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:09.840
it was not mine speed, just me. It was my

890
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:15.599
sixth sense, I guess saying you need to beat feet, dude,

891
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:16.320
you need to go.

892
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:17.119
So I did.

893
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:22.039
I probably was there maybe, I don't know, six minutes,

894
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:24.960
five six minutes, that's all I could say. And I

895
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:27.039
started walking and I caught back up with the group

896
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:29.599
before they made it back, and Bobo turns around.

897
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:30.519
He's like, what are you doing?

898
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:30.760
Man?

899
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:32.199
I thought IM just going to stay up there?

900
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:36.440
So Bobo actually turned around and went back himself and stayed,

901
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:38.840
I don't know, it's up there, probably thirty forty five

902
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:42.719
minutes alone, and he said he didn't hear anything, feel anything,

903
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:46.800
experience anything after that, no vocalizations, nothing, So I don't

904
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:49.679
know it. I'm not saying that that was some sort

905
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:53.119
of projection or infras under all the things, right, but

906
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:57.360
there was definitely something that was telling me to leap.

907
00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.280
And I had that a couple of times in my

908
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:02.840
career as a police officer, and I know at least

909
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:05.320
once it kept me from getting shot so I'm not

910
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:10.079
I'm not one to ignore those feelings. So yeah, I

911
00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:12.800
was definitely glad I got out of there when I did,

912
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.159
because the feeling subsided as soon as I made my

913
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:18.119
way down the trail. I was fine, but in that area,

914
00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:19.199
I was just not okay.

915
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:23.599
Yeah, I know that feeling bad. I've had a situation

916
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:27.360
where I'm and it was I have a bad habit

917
00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:30.599
of going in the woods by myself. Me too, and

918
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:35.559
every not every time, but it's usually it's usually when

919
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:39.159
I've when I've had an experience, and maybe it's like

920
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:43.039
let down, Maybe it's some kind of chemical like like

921
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:47.079
your brain has finally processed what just happened, and then

922
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:53.119
you're like oh, like and you're like overwhelming, dread man,

923
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:55.360
I've had it now, and I've also had to sit

924
00:48:55.440 --> 00:49:01.840
with it because I was, in essence stuck where I

925
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:06.679
was at and that was horrific. That was awful. Yeah,

926
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:13.440
so I understand. So but with this, that's amazing, right,

927
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:17.400
And I'm and I'm so glad that you had that experience.

928
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:22.400
Finally had like a class a experience, right, And because

929
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.159
I've had, I've had a few. I've talked to you

930
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:28.840
about a few of them and it changes the game

931
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:34.679
for you. And and people like my my whole family

932
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:36.800
is like, you're out of your mind, and I'm like,

933
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:41.320
come with me, come with me, and I'll show you

934
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:45.960
that I'm not so I it's it's uh to go

935
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:50.159
from a to become a knower. I guess that's kind

936
00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:53.599
of how it is. But you still got to be skeptical, right.

937
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:57.000
Yeah, And I'll always be. I've had experiences.

938
00:49:57.039 --> 00:49:59.599
I went out an expedition with Todd standing back in

939
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:01.639
two thous I was in twenty three, and I had

940
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:03.199
tons of experiences up there.

941
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:06.800
I didn't see a sasquatch on right, no class right right.

942
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:10.000
We had somebody in the group that I trusted implicitly

943
00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:13.199
that I've had on the show. Richard was there, had

944
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:16.159
a siding outside the camper. When he went out to

945
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:19.199
relieve himself at like three in the morning, he found

946
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:21.360
where the creature was standing. I found the footprints. I

947
00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:24.400
stood in the footprints where this thing was standing, watching him.

948
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:28.000
So I have no doubts. But there's nothing that would

949
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:30.800
ever have convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt

950
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:34.440
without having my own where I encountered and got to

951
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:37.280
see these things multiple times. I mean once would have

952
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:40.199
been enough for me, but having that over two days

953
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:45.639
daylight siding and then two within ten twenty feet, I

954
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:48.400
hands down I was one hundred percent condensed at that

955
00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:51.880
point that at least they were there. But all those

956
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:55.199
other experiences that I'd had prior to that certainly pushed

957
00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:58.840
me in that direction. But there's no confirmation like actually,

958
00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:01.440
I mean seeing his belief that's that's there's a reason

959
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:05.039
as a saying, right, seeing truly is believing it is.

960
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:12.000
So your work has crossed passed with multiple scientists and

961
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:19.199
experienced field researchers. What have you learned from like the

962
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:24.800
skeptics or academic the academic side of things, like you're

963
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:27.800
you're about to embark on a journey with this, you know,

964
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:33.400
with you relaunching the podcast with a primatologist essentially right,

965
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:38.679
So what what have you learned from these folks over

966
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:39.639
your time?

967
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:41.679
I've learned so much.

968
00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:45.119
I mean doctor Meldrin was a friend and colleague, and

969
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:49.599
you know, I learned I think I think the thing

970
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:53.320
I learned the most from Jeff was how to treat

971
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:55.239
people and how to talk to people, because he was

972
00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:56.480
one of the best I've ever.

973
00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:56.880
Seen at it.

974
00:51:56.960 --> 00:52:01.280
He was so grighteous with his his time, his knowledge,

975
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:07.039
his experience, just the most ingratiating personality I think I've

976
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:08.000
ever experienced.

977
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:10.760
I got to meet him at when we met, I

978
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.559
got to meet him later that day, and then unfortunately

979
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:17.280
you shortly shortly later passed away, but.

980
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:19.679
Just like a.

981
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:22.679
Just a presence.

982
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:28.320
So I learned you know a lot about Obviously, foot morphology.

983
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:32.559
I've always been very much into footprints to cast. I

984
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:38.960
think that's probably outside of anecdotal experiences for me, are

985
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:42.159
the most compelling evidence is some of the footprint evidence.

986
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:46.480
I've cast multiple footprints. I've cast several on my own

987
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:52.480
property that have single handedly convinced Yeah, So you know,

988
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:55.880
just finding those on my property should have been enough

989
00:52:55.920 --> 00:53:00.960
to convince me. But you know, Hogan Doctor, who is

990
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:07.000
my co host on the podcast, is very skeptical, has

991
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:11.559
always been skeptical about the existence of sasquatch. He's only

992
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:16.280
now just after me sharing my experiences with him that

993
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:21.639
is single handedly, in his words, not mine, almost convinced

994
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:23.639
him that these things are real because he trusts me

995
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:26.559
implicitly and he's like, hey, if you were ten feet

996
00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:28.920
away from what you say you were ten feet away

997
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:32.360
from then, I got to believe that these creatures exist.

998
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:37.079
So I've learned how to be a better skeptic from

999
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.719
some of those people, and I've learned that.

1000
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:44.039
People can be wrong. I've made no qualms about it.

1001
00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:46.960
You know, I'm pretty opinionated when it comes to most things,

1002
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:47.480
and I'm not.

1003
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:48.599
Afraid to give my opinion.

1004
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:51.599
And I've done this with you know again, that Bigfoot

1005
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:54.800
Podcast has always been sort of an outlet for me

1006
00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:56.719
to be able to have those conversations because I don't

1007
00:53:56.719 --> 00:53:58.719
talk much on my own show. It's an interview show,

1008
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:02.039
so I might say twenty five words in an episode

1009
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:05.039
and the other hour is my guest talking. So that

1010
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:07.480
is sort of my way of coming out and saying, hey,

1011
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:09.480
this is what I think about the subject. When I

1012
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:14.239
cast these prints on my property several years ago, the

1013
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:18.800
one that you have a copy of it is it

1014
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:22.719
was hands down one of the best experiences I've ever had.

1015
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.000
It was the most shocking thing I've ever discovered.

1016
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:27.079
And I didn't want to tell a soul about it

1017
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:29.920
because I knew what people were gonna say, Yeah, you're

1018
00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:32.840
the Bigfoot podcast guy who's now cast in footprints, A

1019
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:36.039
bigfoot seventy five yards from your house, sixty yards from.

1020
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:40.320
Your house, right. But you know, and I didn't tell

1021
00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:44.360
a lot of people in the beginning because of that.

1022
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:46.639
But I said, you know, I'm not a hypocrite.

1023
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:49.159
I asked people to come on my show, tell me

1024
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:52.920
what happened to them, share their evidence. They share pictures, videos,

1025
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:56.280
audio evidence, footprint casts. And I was like, you know what,

1026
00:54:56.920 --> 00:54:59.039
you're a freaking hypocrite if you're not going to tell

1027
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:01.960
people what's going on your own life and how you're

1028
00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:03.280
having these experiences.

1029
00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:05.039
We bought this property.

1030
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:08.679
I bought this property specifically hoping that we were in

1031
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:11.840
an area we're surrounded by thousands of acres of woods,

1032
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:14.320
that there could be some activity here.

1033
00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:15.239
We wanted this.

1034
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:17.360
I wanted this to be a research site for me,

1035
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:20.199
and it turns out it is. So I put that

1036
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:23.559
out there and people's immediately, you know, the first time

1037
00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:28.199
I posted anything about the casts. It's a process to

1038
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:31.840
create a mold to re replicate these casts, right, it

1039
00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:35.599
took me months to replicate the make the mold. Then

1040
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:37.880
you've got to make a housing for the mold. I'm

1041
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:40.400
on the phone with Cliff Barrickman every other day bother

1042
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:42.239
and Cliff trying to figure out how to do it.

1043
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:45.599
I'm on the phone with Michael Freeman, Paul Freeman's son,

1044
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:48.599
because he's done all of his dad's cast. He continues

1045
00:55:48.639 --> 00:55:51.559
to make rep because of his dad's cast, and they're

1046
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:54.440
walking me through this process. So I made the first copy,

1047
00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:57.280
the very first copy I ever pulled out, except for

1048
00:55:57.280 --> 00:55:59.760
the ones I kept for myself. The second gen copy

1049
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:04.360
went straight to Cliff Berrickon. I mailed them directly to Cliff.

1050
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.159
He scanned them, he sent them to Jeff, so they

1051
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:10.440
had seen him. Jeff had not actually held a copy

1052
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:14.239
of the cast until July of last year in Gatlinburg,

1053
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:16.840
when I saw him for the last time. Took him

1054
00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:19.039
a copy of the cast over there for him to see.

1055
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:21.440
He had only seen the scans and the photos and

1056
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:24.039
he had the backstory from Cliff, but it actually never

1057
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:26.519
held them. So he was able to look at him

1058
00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:29.920
and examine them. And he said, that's a juvenile sasquatch track.

1059
00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:33.639
You know it was coming on because you got chickens

1060
00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:36.079
and it was moving your chicken food because it was curious,

1061
00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:38.320
and I was like, it was such a cool moment

1062
00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:39.320
to be able to share.

1063
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:40.800
That with him before that way.

1064
00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:43.880
But you know, that has definitely been some of the

1065
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:48.239
most compelling evidence, in my opinion, outside of if you

1066
00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:51.440
believe people's anecdotal experiences, that some of the most compelling

1067
00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:54.079
and best evidence that you're ever going to hear, because

1068
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:56.199
people are describing what they're.

1069
00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:58.800
Seeing, what these things are doing, So you.

1070
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:02.119
Get behaviors, you get eyes, you get color, you get

1071
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:05.280
all the details right, and if they're accurate, and I

1072
00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:08.280
think most of them are, that's a lot of data

1073
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:10.960
that we're potentially missing out on if you don't pay

1074
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:13.039
attention to anecdotes. Some people just throw it out with

1075
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:16.519
the bathwater, saying it's just anecdotal experiences. There's no way

1076
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:20.119
to verify it, so it doesn't matter. I say, bunk them,

1077
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:23.280
because it's absolutely data. But when you actually have a

1078
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:25.840
footprint cast where you can look at it and say

1079
00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:28.880
here's that, this is that, and compare it to the others,

1080
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:32.119
I think it's some of the greatest evidence that we'll

1081
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:36.400
ever see video evidence. Sure, you know, I've been in

1082
00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:39.199
fights with people for years about the Paul Freeman stuff.

1083
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:42.519
You know, outside of the Patterson Gimlin film, I have

1084
00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:46.599
always said that Paul Framan video too, is probably some

1085
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:49.760
of the most compelling evidence I've ever seen, the baby

1086
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:53.119
Lift video after Doug Hicheck. I mean, Doug did this

1087
00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:59.039
like four years ago. He bought proprietary software from the military.

1088
00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:02.280
I think it was to enhance this video. And if

1089
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:04.480
you've never seen the enhanced version of it, you've got

1090
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:06.599
to get your hands on it because it's some of

1091
00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:09.400
the most compelling thing I've ever seen. This thing's picking

1092
00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:11.800
a baby sasquatch, in my opinion, up off of a

1093
00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:14.599
fricking tree yep, on camera.

1094
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:16.119
But I digress.

1095
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:21.519
In the days of AI, I was scrolling and Danny

1096
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:23.440
and I were having this conversation just a couple.

1097
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:23.960
Of days ago.

1098
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:28.679
Even Dolly Parton isn't safe.

1099
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:30.559
Yeah, the video creators.

1100
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:34.880
Now you know, every picture and video I see of anything,

1101
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:37.760
it could be a deep fake at this point, so

1102
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:41.599
I throw almost ninety nine point nine to eight percent

1103
00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:45.159
of any video or photographic evidence that people put forward.

1104
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:45.960
At this point.

1105
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:48.760
I could literally walk out tonight and do a bonfire

1106
00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:51.559
on my property and a sasquatch could sit down next

1107
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:53.960
to me and have a beer, and nobody's gonna believe

1108
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:55.639
it if I show them a video of it because

1109
00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:58.199
I could fake it just as it happened.

1110
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:00.800
So I don't know what happens is at this point.

1111
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:03.159
Because I used to be very big on trying to

1112
00:59:03.159 --> 00:59:05.960
get photographic evidence. I had trail cams up, I carried

1113
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:08.519
my phone, but I was ten feet away from this thing,

1114
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:11.840
filming a documentary, and we got I can't say we

1115
00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:15.480
didn't catch something on camera, but there's no smoking.

1116
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:17.639
Gun, ye camera, this camera.

1117
00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:21.199
I'm a firm believer that you trying to film is

1118
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:24.760
a deterrent. So if you really want to have an experience,

1119
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:31.480
I use cameras as a deterrent. When I sleep, I

1120
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:34.519
put trail cams all around my I have a truck

1121
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:40.039
with a tent on top, and I put cameras around

1122
00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:42.880
my truck. And ever since I did that, I've never

1123
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:50.199
had any any issues. But before that, so I feel like,

1124
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:54.159
if you want to see them with your eyes, leave

1125
00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:55.880
the cameras alone.

1126
00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:58.960
I've actually, I don't know how true that is, but

1127
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:02.079
I've actually given pe people that as advice in the past.

1128
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:05.440
I had a lady probably four or five years ago,

1129
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:07.320
reach out to me, and she was claiming that she

1130
01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:11.719
was having sort of a cohabitation habituation situation with one

1131
01:00:11.719 --> 01:00:13.440
of these things, and it was getting really close to

1132
01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:17.039
her house and she was getting scared, and she was

1133
01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:19.519
reaching out to me because she listened to the show

1134
01:00:19.519 --> 01:00:21.960
and she thought somehow I was an expert. There are

1135
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:25.639
no bigfoot experts, folks. If anybody says they're a bigfoot expert,

1136
01:00:26.039 --> 01:00:28.679
turn around and run. And I told her that there's

1137
01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:31.360
no such thing. But I did give her a few

1138
01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:33.719
pointers that I had heard from people. I said, look,

1139
01:00:33.760 --> 01:00:35.800
this is all subjective, it may or may not work,

1140
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:39.079
but I told her cameras and lights, put up motion lights,

1141
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:41.639
like the place up like a Christmas tree, and put

1142
01:00:41.679 --> 01:00:44.079
cameras up to see if it's a deterrent.

1143
01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:44.760
YEP.

1144
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:47.320
I think she did some of those things, and I

1145
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:50.280
think it actually did bring down some of the activities

1146
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:52.440
she was having, So there may be something to that.

1147
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:55.360
But yeah, I got that advice from Scott Carpenter.

1148
01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:57.800
So I was like, I'll.

1149
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:01.119
Uh, I'll tell I'll do it. I'll give it anything

1150
01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:05.400
a shot, and so risk his soul. Yes, for sure,

1151
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:10.679
not directly. I got that off of video he was

1152
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:15.280
saying that I didn't. I never met him. But either way,

1153
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:22.280
so we are coming to an end here. But the

1154
01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:26.559
name of this podcast is broadcasting seeds. And what I

1155
01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:30.559
like to have the guests do is the they get

1156
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:34.079
the last say, of course, but I'd like you to

1157
01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:37.079
plant some plan of seed. You know, it could be one,

1158
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:40.840
it could be two, three in the audience's mind, and

1159
01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:44.039
h yeah, just go from there.

1160
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:49.320
I think the seed that I would plant for everybody,

1161
01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:51.800
in my opinion, is one of the greatest things about

1162
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:55.440
bigfooting is getting out in the woods. If you have

1163
01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:59.159
an interest at all in being in nature, whether you're

1164
01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:01.239
really into the object or not, whether you're going out

1165
01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:04.320
looking for bigfoot or not, get out in the woods

1166
01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:09.880
and enjoy nature, enjoy the wild spaces while we have them.

1167
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:14.519
There's nothing better, in my opinion, than spending some quiet

1168
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:16.000
time in the woods. And if you don't get a

1169
01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:18.440
chance to do that, often do it. And I think

1170
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:21.679
you'll find that it's recharging your batteries, whether you ever

1171
01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:24.719
believe or no. And obviously, if you go out, be careful,

1172
01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:27.039
watch your back. There are a lot of things in

1173
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:30.639
the woods that can eat you. There's bears, there's you know,

1174
01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:33.480
there's big cats in certain areas. Always keep your hand

1175
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:35.679
on a swivel it doesn't always have to be about Bigfoot.

1176
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:37.599
And I think the other thing that I've learned that

1177
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:41.679
I'd like to plan in everybody's mind is be open

1178
01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:45.880
minded to other people's experiences. Even though they may sound

1179
01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:48.119
absolutely batshit crazy.

1180
01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:49.440
When they're telling you the story.

1181
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:54.159
There's probably a grain of truth, if not all truth,

1182
01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:58.039
in that story. So don't automatically discount some of the

1183
01:02:58.039 --> 01:03:01.320
weirder stuff. Don't automatically disco count somebody because you just

1184
01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:04.079
think there are stories too much to believe or too

1185
01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:07.199
hard to believe. And just be an open minded person

1186
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:11.760
to the fact that all this stuff may be connected

1187
01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:15.559
more than we actually think or want to think or believe.

1188
01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:18.639
Because that's something that I've learned over the last few years.

1189
01:03:18.679 --> 01:03:20.800
I used to be very much check the box and

1190
01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:22.159
put things in the box that I.

1191
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:24.960
Believe that it belonged in. I don't do that anymore.

1192
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:27.960
I just let the evidence and whereever that takes me

1193
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:31.880
lead me, and it's led me to some really strange places.

1194
01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:34.719
So just be open minded, get out.

1195
01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:37.880
In the woods, enjoy nature, be safe, always be safe,

1196
01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:40.960
safety first, but yeah, get out and enjoy nature. And

1197
01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:43.840
if you're looking for Bigfoot, best of blood.

1198
01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:48.159
Right, Brian, thank you so much for coming on. It's

1199
01:03:48.159 --> 01:03:49.119
a pleasure always.

1200
01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:54.280
Yeah, man, anytime my friend I go with Nicety.

1201
01:03:56.360 --> 01:03:59.320
In the house and things you couldn't.

1202
01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:05.840
Mama tried to keep the lights on steady with the

1203
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:08.519
dark still new my face.

1204
01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:13.519
So I ran to the timber like a chap.

1205
01:04:14.719 --> 01:04:19.679
With the baby gun, and the boy's pride in the

1206
01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:20.639
air got.

1207
01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:25.480
Cold in the whole world tent something breathing on the

1208
01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:34.480
other side. Here on minding stood up on feeding the

1209
01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:36.280
dirt turned in the stone.

1210
01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:41.519
Then the one said, sun, keep moving.

1211
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:44.559
And don't learned what fish sounds like.

1212
01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:49.000
Go on, It's so what it was saying. The pines

1213
01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:53.519
is the knocking the knight. It's a feeling that you're sae.

1214
01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:57.039
When you swear you out of side. You can laugh

1215
01:04:57.119 --> 01:05:02.480
it off, calling stories and lie until your blood runs

1216
01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:07.480
cold and your logic side idea. You can die in all.

1217
01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:08.239
Your own.

1218
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:12.960
Until you meet those whistless in the fire.

1219
01:05:22.079 --> 01:05:26.320
Sixteen years in the city uniform.

1220
01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:33.840
Learn to read a face real quick, true guy, Quiet lies,

1221
01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:38.280
God loud in the streets will teach you tricks.

1222
01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:46.079
Lie. Never wanted the grinal witness, never wanted to turn

1223
01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:52.760
paint in the sport. Skip folks room to tell their

1224
01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:59.039
story and let the facts find their own cord. Some

1225
01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:06.360
folks warm, clean and simple, big foot on and nothing strange.

1226
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:13.920
But the longer you stay out listening, the mother borders

1227
01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:15.119
start to change.

1228
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:20.480
It's the whistles in the pines. It's the night in

1229
01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:24.239
the night. It's the feeling that you're scene. When you

1230
01:06:24.360 --> 01:06:27.559
swear you're out of sight. You can laugh it all,

1231
01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:32.960
call the story reason lines until your blood runs cold

1232
01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:38.519
and your logiccid. Yea, you can die it all your life,

1233
01:06:39.400 --> 01:06:48.199
telling me those whistles and the pines ten feet away

1234
01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:53.400
in the world inside two wide eyes in the air

1235
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:54.400
turned out.

1236
01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:59.440
A big step across the trail like thunder.

1237
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:07.199
Then it swallowed up the lie already up here like

1238
01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:15.320
a man possessed chase improof through roots and rain. Then

1239
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:18.239
my God said, boy gone.

1240
01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:22.320
Now, So I listen, and I live to say his same.

1241
01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:24.039
It's so.

1242
01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:25.920
It's what's in the pines.

1243
01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:29.440
It's a notck in the night. It's the peace you

1244
01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:35.880
finding wild place and the longing when it's not alright.

1245
01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:40.679
So get out there and breathe deeply at your soul.

1246
01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:47.559
He sad respector us, do not forget you don't have

1247
01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:51.079
to believe it to feel it in your spine when

1248
01:07:51.159 --> 01:08:00.119
you hear those whistles in the pines. Get outside, be safe.

1249
01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:01.840
Stay open minded.

1250
01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:05.920
The woods don't need you to believe, they just need

1251
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:06.519
you to listen.