April 4, 2026

Bigfoot Civil War: Sightings Surge While Evidence Collapses

Bigfoot Civil War: Sightings Surge While Evidence Collapses
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Eight Bigfoot sightings in four days along one Ohio corridor. A documentary claiming the Patterson-Gimlin film was faked. A community tearing itself apart. This episode examines both stories, what connects them, and the uncomfortable questions nobody wants to answer.

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The Bigfoot community does not need a civil war. It

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does need a reformation, less reliance on icons, more investment

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in methodology, better evidenced protocols, harder questions, and the humility

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to admit that some of the most interesting phenomenon in

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this entire world may not be willing to sit still

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for a freaking photograph or a film. I said it

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at the top of this episode that people who know

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knows broadcast, they seed plant and truth in the minds

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of the people. Here is what I need you to

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understand before we go any further. Right now, two things

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are happening at the exact same time, and nobody is

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talking about how strange that is. In northeast Ohio, people

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are seeing something in the woods. Okay, not one person,

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not to eight eight separate witnesses in four days, across

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the same stretch of forest, all describing the same thing.

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You've got tall bipedal, dark hair, moving east, dogs losing

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their minds, a musky smell hanging in the air like

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a warning. One woman was three feet away from it,

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three feet close enough to touch. At the exact same time,

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fifteen hundred miles south at the Austin a film festival

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in Austin, Texas. A documentary just dropped, well didn't. Just sorry,

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I'm a little late to the thing ever been out

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in about But the documentary claimed to prove a single

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most important piece of Bigfoot evidence ever recorded was a lie.

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And I mean the evidence, the footage, the one clip

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that an entire community has built its identity on for

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nearly sixty years. So which is it? Is something real

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moving through the woods of Ohio right now or did

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the foundation of this entire field just collapse the inside.

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I need to tell you something up front. I am

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not covering the story from the outside. As many of

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you know, I have two what you would call it

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categorizes Class A sightings on my own and multiple Class

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B encounters. I know people personally who have had their

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share of their own encounters Class A, Class B, right,

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dozens of people. And I can tell you from experience

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that when you have stood in that space, when you

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have seen what should not be there, you do not

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need a sixty year old film to tell you what

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is real. Okay, people who know this is just such

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a cliche, But people who know know that is not arrogance.

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That is just what happens when the question stops being theoretical. Okay,

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but what is happening right now in this community is

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more unsettling than either of these stories on its own. Okay,

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Welcome to Broadcasting Seeds. I'm your host, Been Tantin, and

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if you're new here, this is a show where we

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dig into strange phenomenon, unexplained history, cryptids and the question

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nobody seems willing frankly to sit down with. Okay. We

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do not chase hype. We chase patterns, and today we

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have a big one. And this episode is called Bigfoot

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Civil War Sightings Surge while Evidence Collapses, And I called

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it that because that is exactly what is happening in

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the cryptid world right now in real time. We are

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going to cover six things today. First, the Ohio sighting

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cluster from March to twenty twenty six and what actually

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happened on the ground. Second, why researchers are calling this

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a flap and what the geographic pattern might be telling us. Third,

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the Capturing Bigfoot documentary and its bombshell claims about Patterson

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Gimlin right in the film. Fourth, what the community looks

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like when it's cornerstone evidence gets pulled in fifth, the

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competing theories for what Bigfoot actually is and I'm I'm

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gonna go there. And sixth the uncomfortable truth that nobody

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on either side of this wants to admit. So before

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we start, I want to say this clearly, we are

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not here to prove Bigfoot. I do not need to

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prove Bigfoot. I have had my own encounters. I know

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what I have seen, period, But this episode is not

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about my experiences. If you want to hear those, go

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back to other episodes that I've created on this podcast

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or the multiple podcasts that I've been on. It is

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about what is happening right now, Why is why is

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it happening this way and at the time it is happening,

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and what it reveals about a community that is tearing

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itself apart over the wrong question. Frankly, that is all

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I am asking you to do. Stay curious, hold your

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conclusions loosely, and let us walk through this together. Let

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us get into it. Okay, So Section one, Something is

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happening again. March sixth, my birthday, twenty twenty six. Mantua Center, Ohio,

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a small town southeast of Cleveland that most people have

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never heard of unless they live there. Two separate witnesses

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report seeing something large and bipedal moving through the woods

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near the edge of town and not bears, not hikers,

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something upright, covered in dark hair, walking with purpose. Within

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twenty four hours, a third report comes in all right.

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March seventh, a mother and her daughter are driving along

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a back road near Mantua Center around eight o'clock at night.

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Something steps out of the tree line directly in front

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of their vehicle. They almost hit it. The figure stands

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three feet from the passenger door. The daughter later told

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investigators that she could have reached out and touched it

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if the window had been down. Six foot five brown,

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moving with a casual, unhurried stride. It wasn't running, it

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wasn't spooped, moving like something that knows its own that

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it owns the space. Then it was gone. Now one

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siding is a story. Two sidings is unused. Usual, but

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by March ninth there were five total. By March tenth,

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there were eight, all within a ninety six hour window,

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all within a tight geographic corridor in Portage County, Ohio, Garrettsville, Streetsborough, Wyndham,

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Newtown Township. Let me give you the one that got

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under my skin. Newtown Township, Newton, Sorry, Newton Township, March tenth,

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four in the morning, a man takes his German shepherd outside.

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The dog gets to the door and freezes, Then it

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lunges toward the woodline. The man looks out and sees

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a large, dark figure standing in the tree line, nine

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to ten feet tall. The dog is shaking so hard

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the man can feel it through the leash. That detail matters.

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Dogs don't lie. Dogs do not follow internet trends. Okay,

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dogs do not have belief systems. And when a German shepherd,

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a breed literally engineered for protection, he refuses to stop trembling.

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You should pay attention to what it is trembling about.

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And I can tell you from personal experience, when when

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you are in the presence of something like this, you

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feel it before you see it. I promise you your

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body knows before your brain catches up. I'm saying this.

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The hair on your arm stands up. My not right now,

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just thinking about it. The woods go silent, not quiet, folks, silent,

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like someone hit the mute button on the entire forest.

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I have been there. I know what that feels like.

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And when I read that man's account of his dog

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at four in the morning, shaking through the leash. I

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do not have to wonder whether he is telling the truth.

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I have a friend who you guys have heard this too.

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His name is Jewel. His dogs. He has two Great Pyrenees. Okay,

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big dogs, huge dogs. They bark at everything. He had

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an encounter and these dogs ran. Okay, this is a

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guy I would bet my life on. So Jeremiah Byron

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is the host of the Bigfoot Society podcast. He has

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interviewed over eight thousand witnesses in his career, and when

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the report started stacking, he told Fox eight that this

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kind of cluster has not happened in the area since

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the nineteen seventies. His exact framing was that the current

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generation of Bigfoot researchers had never lived through a sighting

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flap like this. Now here's the part that elevates this

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beyond campfire stories. Byron and his team started mapping the

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sightings the sighting locations, and they did not scatter randomly.

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They moved east along the Headwater Trail, a wooded green

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belt connecting Mantua, Garrettsville, and Wyndham, a corridor that follows

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River systems the kind of terrain that wildlife biologists trek

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for animal migration, not random, not noise, a actual route.

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And that is what makes this worth paying attention to,

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even if you are a skeptic period, because the pattern

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is behaving like biology. Something is using the terrain the

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way a large animal would use terrain, following water, following recover,

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moving along a corridor that offers food and concealment. The

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Portage County Sheriff acknowledged the buzz publicly, and he told

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reporters that roughly ten people had described encountering a large

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creature with a strong musky odor, something that ran on

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two legs, and not four. My encounters horrendously strong skiodor

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in both and some of the class b's where I

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could smell as well. Here's the catch, and it's a

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big one. No photographs, no video, no plaster casts, no

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physical evidence at all. Eight witnesses, four days, one tight corridor,

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and nothing to show for it excepts stories. In an

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era when every single person carries a high definition camera

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in their pocket, the question is not just what did

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they see? It is why can nobody prove what they saw?

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Hold that question We're going to come back to it

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section two. The surge nobody can explain, so let us

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talk about a flap actually what that actually means. And

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the term comes from UFO research where investigators noticed that

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sightings often appeared in concentrated bursts before going quiet again,

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waves of activity, not steady background noise. Okay. The Bigfoot

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field borrowed the language because they started seeing the same

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type of thing, And in two thousand and six, the

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Ohio cluster fits that pattern exactly. Multiple independent reports, a

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compressed time frame from a small geographic area, witnesses who

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do not know each other describing the same type of encounter.

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And this is not Ohio's first time, okay. And in

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nineteen seventy eight, the Cayton family of Minerva, about twenty

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miles east of Canton, had repeated encounters with a creature

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they described as seven feet tall, three hundred pounds covered

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in dark, matted hair. It appeared through their kitchen window

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one night. Their German shepherd trend there was found dead

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before the sightings began, neck broken. The Stark County sheriff

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deputies who responded noted the same thing. Witnesses in two

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thousand and six are reporting a foul musky, kind of

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an ammonious smell that hung in there even than after

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the creature was gone. Faint footprints in the mud, no

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clear photographs. Bottom line is the Minerva Monster became one

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of the most documented Bigfoot cases in Ohio history and

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the country. Really. Anyone that knows bigfoot research knows the

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Minerva Monster, and the two thousand and six profile reads

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almost identical. Tall bipedal muskyodoor dogs reacting in terror wooded

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terrain river corridors nearby. Ohio's regional variant has a name,

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the Grassman Okay, named for the hut like nests early

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researchers found built from tall grass described as taller and

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sometimes more aggressive than the Pacific Northwest Sasquatch, and the

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Grassman is not new. Native American tribes in Ohio grasslands

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in the seventeen hundred spoke of creatures they called the

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wild ones of the woods. They would leave food out

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for them, not one, not one of worship. Okay, out

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of diplomacy. They were trying to keep the peace. So

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here's where we are in twenty twenty six. The sightings

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fit an established historical pattern, same region, same descriptions, same

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animal behavior around the encounters, same smell. There's a problem

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inside the surge itself that researchers are now wrestling with, though,

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and that's Byron. The Bigfoot Society host admitted something publicly

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that most researchers in this field would not say out loud.

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He told Newsweek that along side the genuine reports, he

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was seeing an uptick of AI generated reports and fake

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photos flooding peep in. People were fabric fabricating sightings, some

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for attention, maybe some because the flat made it easy

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to get noticed. And that means the very surge that

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is generating excitement is also generating tons of noise, and

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the signal to noise ratio is collapsing. At the same moment,

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the signals are getting more interesting. Okay, so we have

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two possible explanations for the search. One, something biological moved

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through northeast Ohio in early March of twenty twenty six.

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A large, unidentified bipedal animal used the trails and all

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the stuff right without leaving physical evidence. Now two social contagion.

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One report gains traction other people interpret normal experiences through

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that lens, like a deer at dust becomes a bigfoot,

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a shadow in the woodline becomes a nine foot figure

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and the media amplifies it. The Internet takes it from there. Right,

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these scenes done. That happened before with other things. But

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what I propose is there's a third option, and we

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will get We'll really get there in section five. But

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for now, sit with those two because both are uncomfortable. Right,

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if it is real, why is there no evidence? And

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if it is not real, why do the patterns keep

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repeating across decades with consistent descriptions in the same geographic

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corridors involving animals that have no reason to participate in

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a hoax? The answer might be neither or both, But

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the community did not get a chance to argue about

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it for long because while Ohio was buzzing about sightings,

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the floor dropped out from under the entire community. Section

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three the documentary that broke the Internet. So six days later,

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on March tenth, six days from the beginning of the

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sightings in Ohio. The same week the Ohio sightings were

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making headlines south by Southwest Film Festival in Austin, Texas,

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a documentary called Capturing Bigfoot, directed by a film professor

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named Mark Evans, screens for the first time, and the

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Bigfoot world has not been the same since. Frankly, here's

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what the documentary claims. Twenty twenty two, a colleague of

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Evans at Olympic College in Washington State came to him

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with a reel of sixteen millimeter film, and her father,

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Norm Johnson, had recently died. Johnson had worked in a

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Boeing film processing lab in the nineteen sixties and was

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socially connected to both Robert Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin,

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the two men who filmed the most famous Bigfoot footage

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and history, and the reel had been sitting in a

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lock safe for decades. Allegedly, Evans developed the film and

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what he found was a forty second clip that appeared

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to show a dress rehearsal of the Patterson Gimlin film,

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a thinner Bigfoot figure walking through a forested area Bob

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Gimlin on horseback, shot in what looks like Washington State,

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not northern California, where the nineteen sixty seven footage was recorded.

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produced and developed in nineteen sixty six, one year before

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the official Patterson Gimlin footage Evan says it took him

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nine months to understand what he was looking at, and

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when he did, he reached out to Roger Patterson's son, Clint,

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and Clint Flint was ready to talk, and according to

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the documentary, Clint Patterson had learned years earlier from his

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mother that the nineteen sixty seven film was a hoax.

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His father had died of Hodgkins len foma when Clint

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was twelve, and the family had lived with the secret

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for decades, and Clint had been considered Keedkin been considering

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writing a tell all book. When Evans reached out, Clint

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told him he wanted to come clean. The lie had

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been weighing on him, Clint stated so. Clint reportedly told

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Evans that he watched his father burn the Bigfoot costume

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in a barrel, piece by piece, and the documentary also

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featured Bob Hieronymous when his eighties, has long claimed that

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he was the man inside the suit. His testimony in

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the film repeats that claim. So when Capturing Midfoot screened

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at south By Southwest, it freaking detonated like a bomb.

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Eric Palacios, a cryptid YouTuber who attended the screening, posted

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a reaction video immediately after, and he had gone h

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and he walked out having changed his mind. And then

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the blowbacks started. True believers came after him. Of course,

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of course they did. This is a Bigfoot community. He

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was harassed online. He told reporters that the documentary did

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not change his belief in the existence of Bigfoot, but

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it changed his feelings about the community entirely. Now, before

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we go further, let me do what this show is

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supposed to do. Let me put the brakes on for

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a second and look at what this documentary did not provide. Okay,

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Northwest Bigfoot published a detailed analysis of the documentary, evident

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the documentary's evidentiary claims. They noted that the film reel

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has not been a thought authenticated, no Kodak edge code analysis,

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no emulsion dating, no chain of custody documentation prior to

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the documentary, no attempt to match the footage to Patterson's

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known camera equipment, and the rehearsal footage has not been

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independently verified verified by any lab man but Matt Moneymaker,

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founder of the big Foot Field Research Organization, dismissed it outright,

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of course he did. Is His response was essentially, how

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could you believe any footage in the age of AI?

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And I have a tendency to agree with that. But

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Evans countered that the documentary uses no AI generated material,

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and he says, the team is fully confident that what

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they at what they have. So here's where we are

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with the documentary itself. The emotional storytelling is powerful, and

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the Sun's testimony is compelling. The rehearsal footage is frankly

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vigially damning, but the scientific verification is not there yet, okay,

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And that distinction matters because the Bigfoot community is not

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splitting over verified evidence. It is splitting over a narrative,

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a very well told, emotionally resonant narrative, but a narrative nonetheless, folks,

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Which brings me to the real question section four. If

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Patty was fake, what is left? If you have been

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in the cryptid world for any amount of time, you

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know that the Patterson Gimblin film meet what it means.

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It is not just evidence. It is the evidence not

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for everyone, but for a lot of people. The one

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piece of footage that believers point to when someone asks

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them why they still believe frame three fifty two Patty

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looking over her shoulder. That image is burned into the

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DNA of this entire field, all right. And the skeptical

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inquirer called it a foundational pillar of modern Bigfoot belief.

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And they're right. It is. For nearly sixty years that

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footage has been the floor beneath every argument, every expedition,

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every late night investigation with a thermal camera and wood knocks. Okay,

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if it falls, the floor does not just crack Frankly,

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the floor disappears and you can see the fracture lines already.

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I mean. One Reddit user on Bigfoot Our Bigfoot wrote,

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I do know that I am internally coping. The Patterson

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Gimmon footage has been the most credible and clearcut source

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of proof we have. With the suspected claim that it

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is just a hoax all along, I have found myself

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struggling to accept that possibility. Another user described it this way,

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The thousands of hours of Bigfoot content they have consumed

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over the years no longer felt credible. If the best

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footage is fake, what does that do to everything else?

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Joshua Katowski, a longtime member of the online big Foot

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community put it in terms that should make everyone stop

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and think. He compared the Big Patterson gam Gimlin film

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to a religious artifact which I don't know about, but anyway,

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for the community, he said, the film was a pillar.

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It was the cross of this religion, and it was

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the number one thing that language is not accidental, okay.

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And when people start using religious metaphors to describe their

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relationship to evidence, you're no longer talking about science, okay,

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you were talking about frankly, you're talking about identity. You're

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talking about a belief system that has wrapped itself around

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a single piece of media. Pology Today ran an analysis

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in the weeks after South By Southwest screening. They pointed

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to a well documented phenomenon called belief perseverance, the tendency

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for beliefs to persist even after the evidence supporting them

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has been discredited. So with that, people who have invested years,

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their reputation, the emotion, the identity, and the community into

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a belief do not simply update their views when challenged.

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They freaking protect them. They scrutinize disconfirming evidence more harshly

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than confirming as evidence. They move the goalposts, frankly, and

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that is exactly what is happening right now. And some

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believers are dismissing to documentary footage as ai, others are

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questioning Evan's motives, and others are doubling down on the

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original film's authenticity all right, arguing that the alleged rehearsal

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footage proves nothing. And here is what this is where

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it gets complicated because they might not be entirely wrong, okay,

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And the documentary has not provided lab authentication. The chain

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of custody is anecdotal, all right. Hieronymous has been inconsistent

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over the years. Clint Patterson's relationship with the story is

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deeply personal and emotionally charged, which makes it compelling, but

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it also makes it unreliable as standalone evidence. Okay, So

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the community is left in a terrible position. The strongest

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attack on their strongest evidence is itself unverified, which means

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nobody can closure. Nobody gets closure, and without closure, this

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fracture just keeps spreading, right, It's like a car window crack.

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But here's the question that matters more than whether the

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Patterson Gimlin film is real or fake. If it is fake,

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does Bigfoot stop existing. I am going to be direct

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with you here, Okay. Bottom line is the answer is no.

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And I do not say this as an opinion. I

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say that as someone who has had two Class A sightings,

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as someone who has had multiple Class BE encounters, as

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someone who knows other people, credible people, absolutely stable people,

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people with families and careers and no reason to fabricate anything,

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who have had their own encounters. Okay, and when you

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have seen it, you do not need footage. I don't

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need Patterson Gimlin. I don't care if it's real or not. Frankly,

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I don't need frame three point fifty two. I do

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not need Roger Patterson or Bob Gimlin or Mark Evans

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to or or anyone else to validate what I already know.

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People who know no bottom line and no documentary changes

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that period. The Patterson Gimlin film is a piece of media.

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It is not biological specimen. It is not a DNA sequence.

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It is not a body on a table. It is footage,

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and footage, no matter how iconic, is not the same

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thing as the phenomenon it claims to document. If the

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film was a hoax, it means Roger Patterson was a liar. Okay.

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It does not mean every witness in Portage County, Ohio

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from last month is a liar. It does not mean

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the Caton family from nineteen seventy eight made up the

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Minerva monster. Okay. It does not mean every track cast

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or every thermal hit, every unexplained audio recording is fraudulent

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it and it sure does not mean my encounters did

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not happen. I promise you that what it does mean

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is that the field has been leaning on a crutch

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and the crutch just broke. It just snapped. But here's

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what I want the community to hear here, and I

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want you to hear me. And I am saying this

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as someone who is inside it, not outside looking for it.

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If your belief in this phenomenon was built on one

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piece of footage from nineteen sixty seven, your belief was

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never really yours. You freaking borrowed it. You were trusting

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someone else's evidence instead of seeking your own answers. Bottom line,

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you can get pissed. I don't care the people I

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know who have had encounters, the people that I go

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researching with every year for the past few years. Those people, okay,

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are not panicking right now. They're not on Reddit saying

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they are internally coping. They're not angry at Mark Evans.

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I'm sure as hell not because their knowledge did not

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come from a freaking film reel. Okay, it came from

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standing in the woods at three in the morning and

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realizing they were not alone. The question now is not

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whether the community can stand without the Patterson Gimblin film,

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because of course it can. The question is whether it

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is willing to grow up and do the harder work

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that comes next Section five. The theory war. Okay, so

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I'm trying not to get emotional and pissed, but let

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me lay out the competing explanations because they are all

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on the table right now and the community cannot agree

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on any of them. So thirty one misidentified animals. This

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is a skeptical position, and it is not a weak one. Okay.

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Ohio has significant black bear populations. Bears can stand on

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their hind legs. Bears can look like bipedal at a distance,

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especially at dusk, seen it plenty of times, especially to

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someone who is not expecting to see one. And the

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descriptions of height, dark hair, and woodland habitat are all

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consistent with large black bears. Sorry. The counter argument is

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that multiple witnesses specifically described the gait as human like,

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not bear like. They set it, walked upright, continued continuously,

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not rearing up briefly. All right. The Portage County Sheriff

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relaid witness descriptions of something walking like a human would

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that is a meaningful distinction, because bears do not sustain

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bipedal locomotion for extended periods. But misidentification is a real thing,

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and it happens and should always be on the table. Okay,

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theory two undiscovered hominid And now this is a classic

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flesh and blood hypothesis, the idea that Bigfoot is a

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relicive population of a large primate now possibly related to

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something called Gigantopithecus, that has survived in North America's wilderness

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by being intelligent enough to avoid sustained human contact. All right.

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The arguments in favor of this are consistent physical descriptions

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across thousands, I mean reports spanning centuries. Okay, behavioral patterns

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that mirror Now, see, this is the other thing. This

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isn't just in North America, this is worldwide, folks. But

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we're not going to dive too deep into that. Behavioral

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patterns that mere known grade EPE behavior include the use

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of terrain corridors, avoidance of open areas, and nocturnal movement. Now,

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the BFRO has over three hundred reports from Ohio alone.

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The Bigfoot Mapping Project uses a lot of that stuff.

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There's there's many organizations that are reputable that track this stuff.

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And a two thousand and six sighting pattern along the

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Headwaters Trail looks like a wildlife migration route. Plus there's

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other sightings from that area from over the over decades. Now,

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this argument against, okay, this undiscovered hominid, nobody has ever

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been recovered, no bones, no verified DNA from an unknown primate,

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which I think there's some skepticism there, but we're not

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going to go into that right now. No fossil record

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of North America for a large hominid. Right and with

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the what the ubiquity okay of trail cameras, drones and

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satellite imaging, the idea that a breeding population of eight

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to ten foot primates has avoided detection becomes harder to

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defend with each passing year. To this is the skeptics, okay,

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And this is the theory that the Patterson Gimlin film

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supported most directly, and if that film is discredited, this

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theory loses its most visible evidence, even though it was

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never its strongest. Okay, in my opinion, definitely theory three.

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And this is where I am going to go. Somewhere

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that makes both the skeptics and the traditional's researchers uncomfortable. Okay,

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00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:40.599
it makes people squirm. There is a line of thinking

463
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:45.760
and it is not fringe. Okay, it really isn't, though

464
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:49.840
it gets treated that way. That what people are encountering

465
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:54.079
does not fit neatly into biology as we understand it.

466
00:41:54.119 --> 00:42:00.320
Reports across cultures and centuries, okay, share a strange set

467
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:03.360
of recurring details that do not line up with flesh

468
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:08.239
and blood animals. Period Witnesses describe creatures that appear and

469
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:14.960
disappear without leaving tracks, that are seen one moment and

470
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:20.599
gone the next, that seem connected to other high strangeness

471
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:25.320
phenomenon like lights in the sky and electric interference, an

472
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:34.199
overwhelming sense of dread or disorientation. The interdimensional hypothesis suggests

473
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:39.559
that these encounters involve something that exists on a different

474
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:48.519
plane of reality, something that manifests physically, but does not originate, Yeah,

475
00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:53.039
originate in our physical world. Now I'm not asking you

476
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:56.800
to believe that. I am asking you to consider why

477
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:03.559
the evidence pattern fits it. Think about it. Eight sightings,

478
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:08.480
four days, no photographs, no physical evidence. Every single witness

479
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:12.960
had a phone, The encounters lasted seconds, The creatures moved

480
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:18.280
through terrain without leaving consistent tracks. If this is a

481
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:23.159
flesh and blood animal, the evidence gap is it's a problem,

482
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:28.039
you know, not a huge one necessarily, but not for

483
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:32.920
this community. If this is something that does not fully

484
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:38.199
exist in our physical reality, the evidence gap is a feature. Okay.

485
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:41.800
I am not saying I know which one it is, okay,

486
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:47.320
but I am saying that the evidence or the lack

487
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:52.920
of it, is consistent with both. And that is we're

488
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:57.280
sitting with for a minute before you decide which team

489
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:09.280
you were on. Okay, So this is where we land.

490
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:15.119
The Bigfoot community is at war with itself. One side

491
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:18.760
is looking at a surge of sightings in Ohio and

492
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:22.719
saying something is happening. The other side is looking at

493
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:26.639
a documentary and saying it was never real to begin with.

494
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:31.320
And both sides are talking past each other because they

495
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:36.800
are answering different questions talking past each other. Nothing new

496
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:43.480
with these folks. The sighting question and the evidence question

497
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:49.119
are not the same freaking question. People are seeing things.

498
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:54.800
That is not in dispute. The question is what they

499
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:59.000
are seeing and whether the tools we have are capable

500
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:04.760
of capturing it. Now, the timing of all this is remarkable.

501
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:09.360
The same week that eight people in the northeast Ohio

502
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:15.960
report encountering something massive and bipedal in a tight geographic corridor.

503
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:21.880
The documentary premieres arguing that the very footage of this

504
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:29.400
community has built was built on, was fabricated from the start. Coincidence,

505
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:35.079
I mean, maybe probably, But if you have been doing

506
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:38.679
this long enough, you know that the strange stuff tends

507
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:46.960
to cluster. Okay, Sightings, revelations, disruptions. They do not arrive

508
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:51.760
on neat schedules. They pile up all at once when

509
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:56.880
nobody is ready for them. Okay, period. What I want

510
00:45:56.920 --> 00:46:00.519
to leave you with is this, The Patterson in film

511
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:06.039
may may be a hoax. The evidence as it stands

512
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:11.000
right now is pointing frankly in that direction. But that

513
00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:16.960
does not settle the larger question. It just clears the field.

514
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:21.119
And maybe that is exactly what needs to happen in

515
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:25.320
this community, because the Bigfoot community does not need a

516
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:31.639
civil war. It needs a reformation, less reliance on icons,

517
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:39.760
more investment in methodology, better evidenced protocols, harder questions, and

518
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:43.400
the humility to admit that some of the most interesting

519
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:49.400
phenomenon in this entire world may not be willing to

520
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:54.599
sit still for a freaking photograph or a film. I

521
00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:57.719
said it at the top of this episode that people

522
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:02.280
who know know I mean that, and I meant that

523
00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:08.039
I have stood in spaces where something was present that

524
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:14.559
science cannot currently explain. I have looked at something that

525
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:19.679
should not exist and watched it, look back and scream

526
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:23.159
in my face. I did not need the Patterson Gimlin

527
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:28.840
film before those encounters. Okay, I do not need it

528
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:33.639
after them, And if you have ever had your own encounter,

529
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:38.719
you don't need that shit either. What you need is

530
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:43.440
the courage to keep asking questions and to keep going

531
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:47.239
into the woods, and to stop letting someone else's evidence,

532
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:56.079
real or fake, define what you already know to be true.

533
00:47:56.360 --> 00:47:59.719
Something is happening in Ohio, something is happening in Pennsylvania,

534
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:10.400
New York, Texas, Washington, Utah, across the entire country here

535
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:17.760
in North America and the world. Something has always been happening.

536
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:21.159
And whether the Patterson Gimlin film wasn't real or a

537
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:26.880
lie from the very beginning, that something does not care

538
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:31.639
about our debate. It is still out there, moving through

539
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:36.280
those corridors, following the water disappearing before you can prove

540
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:45.000
it was ever there period. I am benettantin. This was

541
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:51.400
broadcasting Seeds Sasquatch Saturday, and I will see you on

542
00:48:51.480 --> 00:49:00.159
the next episode.

543
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:06.119
Here people.

544
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:22.039
See reports are four dark days, sin tell shadow, same back, trees,

545
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:27.480
dogs go stiff in the horse choke.

546
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:36.880
It's a sol with that woman suk Manso road in

547
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:40.519
the head. I say something crossed and it did.

548
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:44.960
Not break three feet off from a passenger's side, close

549
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:48.960
enough to feel that, and the camera.

550
00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:49.960
State could.

551
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:52.639
Never shame.

552
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:55.840
But the fear in the blood.

553
00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:58.719
Still remember the scen.

554
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:04.760
You can feel it.

555
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:07.800
In your bones. On the nikes alone, the trees go

556
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:18.480
still in the cold windslows. We on the film break

557
00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:19.039
the frame.

558
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:22.599
Shoots don't vanished because it has no name.

559
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:30.719
You can laugh from the stream bud long change, cheap.

560
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:41.199
Down and a still a story drop like a rusty

561
00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:44.400
blade from the mountains. South of said Patty was the

562
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:49.599
paper ghost, the practice walk, dead man's hoax, and the whole.

563
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:53.960
Damn field just split into happy, want blood, happen.

564
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:56.559
Want proof. Some heldside of some of.

565
00:50:56.599 --> 00:51:00.480
That ghosts and found out what the built was ball old.

566
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:02.440
It's the auto down.

567
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:05.280
The mountain clip.

568
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:10.840
Who was so still? The yeah moving just past the.

569
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:17.480
Fad No, you can feel it in.

570
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:20.599
Your bone from the nikets alone and the dogs.

571
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:22.960
Hoe move in the creek won Foo.

572
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.639
Think the film killed the claim Still town also was

573
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:34.639
calling now mountain.

574
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:51.159
Name you can hide into babbody all girl, pap Maybe

575
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:54.840
it please, Maybe it's the same world's unseen.

576
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:59.079
Maybe we built the shirts on a broken real Maybe the.

577
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:02.239
Lous now hear the thing the cheese.

578
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:06.960
Maybe we chase to shout out to somebody else. It's faith,

579
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:10.039
But I've seen enough to see what I saw was

580
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:10.920
real and real.

581
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:13.559
Don't care what the headlines saying.

582
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:23.760
Tracks nobody, no clean conclusion, just silence, just tread just then,

583
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:31.239
no flash, no footage, no cookroom confess and just that

584
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:37.119
can the jogs down travel.

585
00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:46.320
Fever? Who knows? When the crows in and bathing along

586
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:49.440
the trail on feast with the waters go.

587
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:56.320
People letting else tape burn. The crowd about is a

588
00:52:56.480 --> 00:52:58.920
thing in the woods and it don't need my side.

589
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:02.639
It was give a claims it will be here and there.

590
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:15.519
Guy help people.

591
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.400
No, you don't need their bill.

592
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:25.599
Let's come home.