Sept. 9, 2025

Biblical Mysteries and Strange Creatures: A Conversation with Seth Vandebroek

Biblical Mysteries and Strange Creatures: A Conversation with Seth Vandebroek
Biblical Mysteries and Strange Creatures: A Conversation with Seth Vandebroek
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Biblical Mysteries and Strange Creatures: A Conversation with Seth Vandebroek
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In this conversation, Seth Vandebroek, a full-time Bible Answer Man, shares his insights on high strangeness, the Nephilim, and various historical accounts of strange creatures. He discusses the three races of the Nephilim, the significance of biblical texts, and the implications of ancient history on modern understanding. The dialogue explores the intersection of theology, history, and mythology, emphasizing the strangeness of the world as depicted in the Bible.

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All right, Seth Vanderbrook, tell us who you are, what

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you do, and where people can find you.

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Well, like you said, my name is Seth Vanderbrook. I

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am a full time Bible answer man. If you will,

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I do theological work for my church, full time answering

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questions about the Bible, opinions that our pastors have on passages,

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even to stuff that people reach out about like does

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the Bible confirm flat Earth or other stuff like that,

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so we'll get some interesting strange questions as well. So

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I got to do that full time and a couple

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of other things through through that church position. And when

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I'm not doing that, I'd like to spend my time

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reading old books and studying strange enigmas in history and

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the Bible. And that's led me to finding a lot

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of strange and interesting things in history in the Bible,

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which yeah, has led me to sharing a lot of

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that stuff, and that's started some very interesting conversations that

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led me down some rabbit trails. That's really been an

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incredible journey meeting people all over the world and working

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with people all over the world that have helped me

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from everything from translating things that haven't been translated to

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finding things that are really hard to find, just to

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verify the strangeness of history and different documents. So that's

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who I am and what I do. You can find

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me at Project lizer dot com. That's where I have

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a bunch of stuff, my resources, podcasts, I've been on

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and are all the articles that I put out about

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all those different topics that I find myself studying awesome.

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So first question that I ask, well, it's the only

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question technically that I ask every guest, is what is

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your gateway to this world of high strangeness? I think

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what brought you to this?

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It was definitely a long journey of things that all

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added up together. But I'd say probably the first thing

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that got me interested in the strangeness was personal experiences.

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I had a lot of demonic experiences as a child

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and didn't know what category to put them in. That

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I for years, I just didn't know what to do

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with it. I didn't know where to look for that.

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That wasn't really a thought that I could find clear

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answers other than, like, you know, scary stuff happened sometimes.

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But when I got more and more answers from the

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Bible and realized how many really weird and strange things

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the Bible addresses, I was like, WHOA, I can actually

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find answers about these things. And so I don't know

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what year, but several years back I finally started getting

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into that stuff in the Bible and the nepheline and

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all that, and that was a very quick gateway into

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the high strangeness of the world. So i'd say that's

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the thing that pointed me in that direction.

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Yeah, for sure. I would say one of the first

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things that I found, well, it's actually the thing that

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sent me down the rabbit trail to you was a

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article that you just wrote not that long ago, at

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the beginning of this month, and that's the Night's watch

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dog Man according to the ninth century kings and scholars.

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Talk to me about that a little bit.

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Yeah, So that that's funny because that that article was

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actually kind of a last minute put together of things

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that I had found, Like I've found so many documents

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about dog headed people throughout history, it's just kind of ludicrous.

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And and so when I was talking to the host

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for for Nice Watch and he was like, hey, like,

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what kind of you know, dog man stuff do you

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want to hit or whatever? And he's like, what's what's interesting?

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What's fresh in your mind? I was like, well, you know,

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like the ninth century stuff seems to be the most

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interesting to me. So I kind of put those different

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sources together and was like, let's talk about that and

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it fascinated me that that century, for whatever reason, there

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was just more documents that talked about about the Sinocephaly,

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this race of dog headed men in history, and the

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fact that there were so many, so many very prominent people,

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kings and scholars, multiple different locations throughout Europe, all talking

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about the same thing, not realizing that they had different

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sources from each other, not even talking to each other, right,

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But they're all talking about the same thing. They're all

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corroberating the same thing and even corroborating with ancient scholars

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that they hadn't read that we're also saying the same

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thing from like a thousand years before them. So it's

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just a really fun It was a fun topic to

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write about and talk about on the podcast.

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Yeah, Well, what I'd really like you to dive into

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is the three races and that well it's not really concept,

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just that it is, right, But we talk about the

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three races as the children are the sons of God,

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right and human women m hm, like giants, the nephelum

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and eliud so, which is a word that a lot

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of people throw around, but not everyone knows necessarily what

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that means. So I have my own theories, but I

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would love to hear Yeah.

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I'll be curious to hear yours too.

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Yeah, it's probably similar, but.

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I would imagine yeah.

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So yeah, So this is a really interesting topic. It

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is incredibly enigmatic the words that are used, so for

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anybody who doesn't know what we're talking about. And First Enoch,

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which is this very old writing. Specifically, the part of

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First Enoch that it's written is very very old, predates

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the birth and life of Jesus Christ. That fragment of

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First Eenoch, this old writing which is found in the

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Dead Sea.

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Scrolls in Cumran.

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It talks about a lot of things, but one of

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the main narratives that discusses is the Genesis six narrative,

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which is the Sons of God, which are these angelic

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creatures that come down. They cohabitate with humanity and they

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marry women and they have children, and those children are

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only briefly mentioned in Genesis six, but when it's mentioned,

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it specifically says that these guys were well known and

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the men of renowned.

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These are the heroes of old.

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So what that is saying explicitly is like, hey, we

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don't have to explain this concept to you because everybody

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already knows. Now for modern people, not everybody knows. So

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how do we know, Well, we read other literature from

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similar ethnic groups in similar time periods, and what we

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end up with is a lot of Jewish literature that

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kind of helps us fill in those gaps. Right, as Christians,

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we don't teach them, teach them as like being as

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authoritative as the candidate scripture, but it's still very helpful

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to know for sure, at least what people thought, what

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they were thinking of when this these words were being

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thrown around, right, so you can debate is this absolutely

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true or not? Like, well, that's just history. Like it's

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so hard, you know, we we have to put a

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lot of work into verifying how sure we are about

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certain things. But but in these in this story First

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Enoch and this other writing Jubileese, they both expound on

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this Genesis six narrative and they talk about more of

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those things that were kind of assumed that the reader

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would know. And what I don't hear a whole lot

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of people talking about is that there is this taxonomy

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of these creatures that's that's relayed in First Knock seven

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and Jubileese seven, that in those chapters. There's more than

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just this singular word nephilem, but that that word Nephileine

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is actually broken out into three races to three categories,

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and those three categories are the great Giants and then

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just the Nephalim. And then in Enoch we see el

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Eud being the words that's used, which a lot of

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scholars are pretty sure is actually a corrupted reading of

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the word. So a lot of these things are fragmented,

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and we're pretty sure that that wasn't the full word

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that was being used in those original texts, but we

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don't know exactly what it was, so that leaves some

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rooms for speculation already. And then we have in Jubileze,

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we have a different word used in the same place,

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so it's telling the same similar story, but it's using

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a different word, and instead of el Eud, it uses

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the word el joe or really would be going as Elio,

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And that word can actually be tied to the Hebrew

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word for ely yon, which is a way of referring

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to a god. So that's interesting either way. Both Eliud

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and el yo, in those words, they both contain l

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which refers to god or a god. So whatever it

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is this race has some type of demi god characteristic,

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which makes sense because we already know that the Nepheline

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are these kind of demi god creatures, right. They're half angelic,

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half human, and so they had certain abilities, certain strengths.

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A lot of them were giants. But anyone who follows

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a lot of stuff that I talk about, when you

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read a lot of old literature, you find that it

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was a lot more complicated than that there were just

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large people. That's actually described more in detail. That they

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looked different from humanity, and my article on the Three

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Races talks a lot about this. Josephus in his writings

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that the Antiquities of Jews, he talks about this and says, hey,

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these guys didn't even look like humans, and so what

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does that mean exactly? We don't know, but they looked different.

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They did not look like us, because like, they looked

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entirely different. He said, they sounded so different that it

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was terrifying to look at them or to hear their

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So we look at that. And that's some pretty strong

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language that Josephus is using, saying, hey, this is this

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is otherworldly kind of stuff, right, And that for anyone

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who's interested is in antiquities to the Jews. In Book five,

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Chapter two, section three, that's where that is exactly. So

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when we're looking at this concept of these three races,

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that's what we're talking about. We're talking about these writings

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that describe almost this taxonomy of creatures that not only

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were there three races, but also i'll read here in

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a second in jubileeze it actually talks about this hierarchy,

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if you will, of power and even what ends up

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happening in the narrative. So in Jubilee seven, verse twenty two,

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it says, and they be got sons the Nephidine, and

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they were all un alike, So total diversity here, and

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what these creatures look.

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Like were no way.

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They didn't look like humanity, but they also didn't always

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look like each other, so there's a lot of biodiversity here.

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And then it says they devoured one another, and the

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giants slew the Niphil, and the Nephil slew the el

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Joe or the el Yoh and the el Yoh mankind

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and mankind one another. He'll have slight variations spending on

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the English translation that you use there, but that's the

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same consistent story that you're going to get in Jubilee seven,

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and that compares very nicely to what we see over

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in First Enoch chapter seven, or says in verses ten

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and eleven. Now that now the versus numbers are slightly

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different depending on the translation you use there as well,

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but that one says, and they the women bore to

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them the watchers. Three races. First the great giants, and

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then it says the great giants brought forth, or some

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translations say slew the Nephalim and the Nephialm brought forth

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or slew the lud, and they existed, increasing in power

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according to their greatness. So both of these describe this

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hierarchy of like the great Giants being the most powerful,

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the Nephilene being in the middle, the elo or the

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el Joe or eliud, whatever word you want to use,

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there being lower, but still them being far superior to humanity,

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and then humanity fighting amongst themselves as well, but clearly

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not being able to really over overthrow the other races.

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So this is the concept that we're talking about.

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Then, when we.

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Recognize that the nephilem ling linguistically, specifically grammatically, when we're

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looking at the way these sentences are formed. In verse

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twenty two in Jubilee seven, it starts out by saying,

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and they begot sons the Nephidine or the Nephileine, So

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it's that is the category that is the correct word,

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right same in Genesis six, and it says they were

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all in a like and they devoured one another, and

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then it gives us a list, So that's telling us

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that the list of the giants, which includes the Nephilene,

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also includes the great Giants and the Elio.

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And this was a normal thing to do.

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Linguistically in the past, where you would use a word

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that refers to a specific group of people and then

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kind of use that as a slang to refer to

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others that are put in the same category. And we

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actually see this in the Old Testament as well. After

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the flood, after the Nephiline are destroyed, we see Nephilene

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pop up again in numbers thirteen thirty three, and then

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later on in Deuteronomy one, two, and three, we have

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these chapters that continue this story saying, hey, these guys

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are still around, but now they're called the refayem, and

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they start using this word Refaem, and they say the

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Anachem were counted as Refayem, so now it becomes this category.

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So this happens. This is a normal thing to do,

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to say, okay, here's this category. The Refyem are only

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one of many tribes, but for whatever reason, they won

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out in terms of when people were talking about these

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these monstrous beings, so that word just started becoming the

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catch all. That was the way to categorize the creatures.

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What we find in these extra biblical texts is that

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the same thing we going on with the word nepheline,

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that even that was a simplified reference to these broader

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categories of just a lot of biodiversity from the union

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of these fallen angels and women. And when you look

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into that, that's where you know, talk about opening up

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a bunch of rabbit trails and doors into two interesting worlds.

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That's where you run into things like all the monstrous

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races that I've written a couple articles about, and the

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different creatures that we see in the Bible and outside

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of the Bible that are that are believed to be

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very true, that are chimeric creatures, combinations of humanoid features

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and animalistic features, which sounds a lot like the angelic

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creatures that we see in the Bible, like the Cherubam,

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that are these combinations of human and animal features. So

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when we look at that, all of a sudden, this

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pretty crazy concept doesn't seem as crazy anymore. Actually becomes

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pretty cohesive. And what we find is that those those

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monsters are creatures that come from this union that created

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quite a wide range of diverse beings. Are very consistently

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described throughout the world, throughout time, cross culture, cross language,

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and you can, if you pay attention, you can build

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a pretty thorough mosaic of what all these different creatures were,

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the ones that were agreed upon the most, and how

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they interacted with humanity and each other. So many stories

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that you can get into what all that. But that's

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the that's the rabbit trail, or an overview of the

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rabbit trail that I went down for for that article

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on the Three Races.

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So one of my things is is because again we

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run into translation things right where I have read Enoch

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first in that chapter seven or chapter seven ten through eleven,

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right where it's the and they bore them three races first,

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the Great Giants, The Giants brought fourth and see this

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is this is what I've seen. The nephylene and the

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nephilene brought forth the elude meet, and I assumed that

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they were kind of like the children of enough like

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that Elude are the children of the nephylene.

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Mm hmm.

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Yeah.

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And that's so the confusing part is that that's possible.

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Yes, exactly.

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We can't definitively say yes or no, but mostly because

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so there's a difference in translation, but there's also this

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this ambiguousness of the words. Anyway that could it could

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totally be that that this is a a birth thing,

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although one could make the argument that it seems more

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likely that they wouldn't simply just be killing their children.

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It does seem more likely that there would be these

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different factions and they're all trying to kill each other, correct, Yeah,

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and not just that everyone's like, oh, what call these

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children I had?

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I'm just gonna go kill them?

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And I guess it does also say bore them three

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races first, the great giants, right.

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And bore them is the is the sons of God

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with the women?

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Yes? Right? So yeah, so I was always so I'm

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going to change the way I'm thinking a little because

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I always assumed or thought that the eliud were the

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like offspring. I mean, it could be, but they were

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the offspring of the nepheline as well, so whether it

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was nepheline and another nepheline or a a Nephelene and

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another woman, right, and just kind of like parsing it

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on down. So I think maybe I've got to rethink

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some things with that.

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Yeah, yeah, I was in the same boat too, right,

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So when I was first researching this, I the first

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version of First y Knox seventh that I read was

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the R. H. Charles, which is very popular. It's one

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of the first English translations of that. And when you

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read that one, so he mostly bases off of the

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Ethiopian text. So because of that, there are actually these

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translations like Kids that don't even include those three races

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in it. It just mentions right there. It actually instead

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just says, oh, and there were these giants that were

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like three thousand l's tall, which is huge, by the way,

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like right beyond I think beyond even realistically, I think

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a lot of giants got very large, more than maybe

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a lot of people, but three thousand l's is like

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you're gonna shift the course of the earth at that point,

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kind of a thing when you have a bunch of

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those guys on one side.

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Of the earth.

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So that's pretty large. But what more of the translations, sorry,

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more of the copies of this work, say, is the

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uh taxonomy if you will? Is this this list of

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these three races? Which is why the latest translation that's

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very reliable, it's the her Mania translation, which I highly

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recommend for both first, Naki and Ju believe the Hermnia

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translation that's h E R M E N E I

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A Hermenia. Yeah, that's a scholarly translation that they put

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a lot of textual criticism into a lot of effort

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to make sure that it was as accurate as possible.

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So that that's the one that I highly recommend reading.

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Arch Charles like did a good job for his time.

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But it was a while ago. Yeah, and so you know,

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we've made a lot of we've found a lot of

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stuff since then.

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So yeah, So I when I first read that, like,

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I had the same understanding.

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It was like, okay, so these guys were like born

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by them, so these were just like there it was just.

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Like the less natural downsizing, right kind.

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Yeah, which again probably right, like there was probably like

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however you want to say it to some degree, clearly

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we can see even in scripture that these guys become

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less and less powerful right over time. And so that's

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why when we're left with this enigmatic concept of.

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The eliud or the elio, we can at.

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Least conceptually put a lot of creatures and beings into

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that category.

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Whether or not.

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It's an accurate genetic connection, I don't know, there's no

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way to know, but at least conceptually we can put

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a lot of these monstrous races in this elud category

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where it's okay, you're not quite like that higher demigod status, right,

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but you're but you're not human, so you're like you're

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somewhere in between there. And I think it's fair at

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least to conceptually put a lot of these creatures in

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that category that would fit in Okay, you're in between

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demigod and human status.

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All right, so literally things like foot or dog man

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or things along those like. So I guess it does.

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Didn't slash my whole thing out of my brain, right,

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but it yeah, yeah, So because I am well, I mean,

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I've I've done a lot of research and a lot

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of work into the the catch them DNA study with Bigfoot.

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It comes back as half woman.

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Half you know, yeah, half something else.

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Half something else. So I wonder if they did well

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either way. From what I hear too, somebody's trying to

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do a dog man DNA yeapture as well.

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And I think there's been a couple in the past.

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It just hasn't turned out, but right, yeah, so I'd

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be curious to see if that follows through. Supposedly supposedly,

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and I've been trying so hard to very and I'm

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planning on actually going to Spain myself to see if

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this is true. But supposedly in Spain and Santiago de Compasstella,

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there's a there's a an abbey or cathedral, I can't remember

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which one that has a skull of a sinocephalus of

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a dog headed man that was like one of their

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saints or whatever. Like, I've read some things that say

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that supposedly there's academic literature. I can't seem to find

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that academic literature. I don't know if this is true

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or not, but if it's true, I'm like, dude, I

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really want to see that skull. No kidding, and supposedly

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there's been analysis on this goal and there's conflicting reports.

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I'm saying, like some kind of being like, oh no,

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this is definitely not a normal. We can't explain the

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genetics of this doghead. We can't tell you that that's

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exactly what that is, but it's something weird, and others

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just trying to brush it off as like, no, like

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it's an anomaly, but it's it's not that. But again,

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I just haven't been able to verify any of this.

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It's driven me crazy.

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No, I can't imagine.

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Yeah, all right, so we've got these three races born

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of the sons of God slash angels whatever you want

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to call them.

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Now question, Well, it's your take, right the human women.

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Now we say angels is such a generic term because

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it's technically not what they we don't know what they're

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technically called.

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Dewey No, I mean, well, the most technical term would

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just be eloheem. Actually elo it would fit within that

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category absolutely.

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But we have different types. So were the watchers all

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one type?

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I don't think so.

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Watchers seems to be a word that means a role,

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just like angel.

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Yeah, right, so you would think that they would put

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that the watchers as a job title that they would

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be pulled from all the heavenly host right or all

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the all the we'll just say angels. I guess we

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have to just for simplicity's sake, for all the angels. So,

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in turn, you would have a quite diverse genetic dispersion

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of giants nephelin eliud and and what exactly constituted that, right,

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everything from possibly like the menotaur mh and and uh

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or like sayrs all the way to you know, fifty

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foot giants.

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Yeah, right, yeah, and.

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What what what have you uncovered about about that and

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your thoughts on that?

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Yeah, So, like you said, this is just wide.

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Variety that we're talking about here, hugely difference. Yeah, we

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don't we don't even know all the things that existed. There. Again,

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are a lot that are very very very consistently talked about,

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and so we're able to be pretty positive on at

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least a certain number of them. Be like, Okay, those

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guys uh existed to some degree, right, of course I'm

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saying this.

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Of course there's all these scholarship no no, no, no, no, no.

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Of course not Yeah, but in terms of like in

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historical research. There's this term, right, various solmitude, where you're

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looking at like what's the probability, what's the range. We're

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not going to say one yes, but like how reasonably

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sure can we be about this thing? I think there's

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really high various solimitude on a lot of these uh,

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these these creatures. The fact that they're so consistently talked about,

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and one of the things that gets me that I

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have to explain to some many people that like, oh,

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but anybody could have written down I'm like, no, actually.

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The writing me. No, actually no, it's very expensive.

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It's really hard to come by the resources to write

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things down, which is why most all of the sources

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that I it's rare that I don't refer to a

468
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:22.920
source that's like pretty highly credible, because it's it's people

469
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:26.599
who were very well known, even are well known now.

470
00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:27.839
I mean a lot of these guys are the ones

471
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:32.799
that like laid the foundations for Western civilization, right, Erototus

472
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:35.720
and Plato and Cicero, Like, these guys were huge, right,

473
00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:39.920
they played a huge role in Western civilization, in philosophy

474
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:42.480
and history and sciences and all this stuff. So a

475
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:44.000
lot of these names it's like these are just not

476
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:46.880
random people, Like these are people that were huge in

477
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:50.039
their society. They're significant to us too. And so when

478
00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:53.160
you read these things, and we're talking about everything from

479
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:57.640
books that had to be like backed by affluent people

480
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:00.279
and you know a lot of people had to to

481
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:02.799
play a role in it. Like literally there are these

482
00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:06.160
books right that would take a whole it's not like metaphorical,

483
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:09.839
like a whole village to put this book together. And

484
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:13.240
one of my favorite things is the study of this

485
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:15.920
specific book called the Nuremberg Chronicle. It just fascinates me

486
00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:20.000
to no end. And it's just this this random book

487
00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:24.680
that was written in Nuremberg, Germany in fifteen hundreds slash

488
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:29.279
kind of late fourteen hundreds, and there's literally a whole

489
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:32.920
town in Nuremberg that like this guy across the street

490
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:37.000
helped with like getting the resources. This guy across the

491
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:40.319
street was the scholar, and that guy had all these books,

492
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:42.839
and this person was the artist, and that like literally

493
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:46.519
literally a village, right like work together to build this book.

494
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:49.319
It's not some random person. It's like, no, you had

495
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:51.279
to get backing. It's like starting a company.

496
00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:52.880
Like it's a lot like.

497
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:54.799
Starting company you'd have to find all the right people.

498
00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:59.119
You have to find someone to like a venture capitalist essentially,

499
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:01.359
who's willing to to pay for this. And then when

500
00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:03.160
you have them, it's not like they're just making you

501
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:03.759
one copy.

502
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:04.079
Around this.

503
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:05.400
A lot of times it's like, Okay, we're going to

504
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:08.160
make a lot of copies of this because we.

505
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:08.839
Have enough money.

506
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:12.319
But then plenty of writings that there aren't enough copies

507
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:14.319
and we only have a couple. So there's tons of

508
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:18.319
variety here, but there's as much much harder for us

509
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.319
to read these things and say, oh, these people were

510
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.039
pulling a prank. It's like if it was, it was

511
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.119
an incredibly expensive prank in the middle of a very

512
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:30.079
academic work, which doesn't really line up. Now, The easier

513
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:32.920
thing to say is all these people were confused or

514
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:35.240
they believed it but it wasn't true. That is like

515
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:38.880
probably one of the more logical things to argue against it.

516
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:40.440
It's like, oh, they believed it, but it wasn't true.

517
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:42.559
The thing that then stands in the way of that

518
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:44.440
is when you have so many things saying the same

519
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:47.319
thing cross time, across the language the world, right, that's

520
00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:48.880
when you really run into Okay, we have a lot

521
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:53.000
of corroboration here. Something's going on. And so all that

522
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:57.119
to say, when we see all these things that are corroporated,

523
00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:01.000
there are a certain number of creatures that all within

524
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:03.720
this category of high likelihood.

525
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:06.160
And for sure, by far the biggest.

526
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:11.400
One is is is giants. Like everybody talked about giants, then.

527
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:13.920
You have Satyrs is pretty high up there.

528
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:17.160
Dog Man is also super high up there in terms

529
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:20.359
of like satyrs and dog man and giants, those three

530
00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:25.400
at least so far, like by no means a comprehensive

531
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.880
expert on all of these creatures, but those three in particular,

532
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:31.480
I've spent a lot of time setting there is a

533
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:33.720
lot of evidence for those guys.

534
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:34.480
Those guys pop up.

535
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:38.559
It's way easier to find resources on these guys throughout

536
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:42.200
history because it's so prolific. But when we do see

537
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:46.200
those guys, it is interesting that we will see we

538
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:49.440
will see patterns across the globe of where they're referred to.

539
00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:51.359
Some people were saying, oh, they're in my backyard. No,

540
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:53.880
other people saying, yeah, they're over in that person's backyard. Right,

541
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.799
They're like, they're over in that country, And a lot

542
00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:01.240
of them referred to India, but it isn't. It isn't

543
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:03.960
what we now refer to as India because names and

544
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:08.359
borders change, right. It's actually in Pakistan where a lot

545
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:13.440
of these creatures were said to have existed, Also Libya,

546
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:16.960
there's a lot of places in the Middle East, in Mesopotamia,

547
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:19.720
and boy, I mean, my head is racing right now.

548
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:22.200
There's just like so many artifacts and things that talk

549
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:25.240
about these guys in all these different locations. But those

550
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:30.319
different creatures that we see popping up, there are similarities,

551
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:34.759
there are differences, and they fall into a couple different categories.

552
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:36.960
One of the ways that scholars talk about them is

553
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:41.359
you have the zoocephalic and the anthropocephalic creatures, right, Zoocephalic

554
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:44.119
meaning you have the head of an animal, and anthropocephtic,

555
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:46.559
meaning you have the head of a human. Now, if

556
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:48.119
you're just a human, having a head of human is

557
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:51.119
not crazy. But if you're like more of like a satyr,

558
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:55.279
where you're this anthropocephalic creature, but you're also chimeric, where

559
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:58.079
you're like part goat but slightly humanoid, and then you

560
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:02.079
have the head of a human, that's a pretty weird

561
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:06.880
combination of features, right, Especially when your head isn't fully human,

562
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:09.799
you've got the horns and these other features. Right, So

563
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:12.799
when we see those kind of creatures, we do see

564
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:17.119
these patterns of heads and feet being significant for whatever reason.

565
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:19.759
A lot of times the feet they're they're they're these

566
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:22.960
it seems random, but like for whatever reason, a lot

567
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:25.519
of them will be like, yeah, there's that dog man,

568
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:27.920
but over here there's this weird race of dogment that

569
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:29.960
have the feet of something else, And you're like, what,

570
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:32.880
like why, but like they'll be like, oh, they have

571
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:35.480
bull feet and they're like, oh, those those are the

572
00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:39.400
document They have the like almost like talent, like almost

573
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:40.799
the eagle feet or whatever.

574
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:42.119
Like what is going on with that?

575
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:45.279
But what's fascinating is, again you read biblical literature, was

576
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:47.880
it talking about it? We'll talk about them having different

577
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:52.039
feet and different heads. So it's actually somewhat consistent with

578
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:56.279
our understanding of these these these aloheen, these these spiritual creatures, right,

579
00:32:57.319 --> 00:32:59.559
And when we look at at all those creatures, what's

580
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:03.319
really wild I've been fascinated by is that you can,

581
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:08.720
one for one, find what is recognized in modern like

582
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:15.480
contemporary academic medical journals. You can find official names for

583
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:24.079
these types of anomalies existing today in random births around

584
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:30.279
the world, which means it's literally still one. It's genetic like,

585
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:33.079
it's it's it's it's a genetic trait that's carried.

586
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:36.400
Yeah too, it's physically like.

587
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.759
It's wild because easily, and I totally understand everyone who

588
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:42.000
for the first time hearing something like this is just like, okay,

589
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.240
so you're crazy, And I totally understand that from from

590
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.799
first introduction. But what's wild is talking to people about

591
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:50.440
this being like, but you know, like cyclopea is a thing, right,

592
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:52.680
and they're like, what, like, yeah, there are kids that

593
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:54.640
are born with a single eye. And it's not that, oh,

594
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:58.880
they're missing an eye, it's that their skull genetically doesn't

595
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:02.440
have another sock for an eye. It has one socket

596
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:06.359
in the middle. It's literally a cyclops Now, what's tragic

597
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:09.119
is that these these babies really don't live long, if

598
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:12.800
at all, And over time it seems like more and

599
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.480
more the kids that are born with these deformities live

600
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:18.760
shorter and shorter lives. And I say that because you say, well,

601
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:20.679
how far back to that data go? You really can't

602
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:22.920
find a lot of old stuff I've talked about this

603
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:26.880
on a few different podcasts where you have old medical

604
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.519
books or journals where these doctors would talk about these

605
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:35.679
strange anomalies of these monstrous births, and they'd be like, yeah,

606
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:38.679
there's this person and they were born like half dog,

607
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:43.199
or this person who's born you know with like as

608
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:46.280
Siamese twin situation, but the one head was a dock

609
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:48.159
ouad and the other one was human. You're like, what

610
00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:51.000
are we talking about? But they talk about those kind

611
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:54.840
of crazy genetic anomalies, which to me is very confirming

612
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:58.440
that one we know, some of these genetic anomalies still

613
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:04.480
exist today, like things like polychoria, things like bilateral uh no,

614
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:09.119
I'm forgetting the names for some of these bilateral tibial

615
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:12.039
homimilia I think is one of them. But there's all

616
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:15.599
these terms, but when you dig into them, you find

617
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:20.559
that there are official medical terms, the terminology, phraseology for

618
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:25.840
these exact types of creatures that we see through throughout history.

619
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:28.519
So it is a real genetic thing. It's a real

620
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:32.440
genetic trait at least over time. Further back we go

621
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:34.920
in historical records, we see people who had it living

622
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:38.480
longer and some in some cases a lot of these

623
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:41.400
writings actually talk about these creatures living longer than us.

624
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:44.599
So it does seem that, if all of this is accurate,

625
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:48.960
that all these different varieties of creatures at differing paces

626
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:53.320
started dying out just like naturally, like they just weren't

627
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:55.239
living as long. First they're living longer and they have

628
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:57.280
all this power, and then it's like they're dying out

629
00:35:57.320 --> 00:35:59.440
faster and faster and faster. Before you know it, they

630
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:01.840
just can't keep up. And anybody that's born like that

631
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:04.039
just doesn't doesn't make it.

632
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:06.400
Doesn't make it right. So it's almost like the if

633
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:08.960
you think about a way of describing it, it's almost

634
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:13.199
like the like if you took oh gosh, what is

635
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:18.559
the name of that show? It's the books with west

636
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:20.480
Ros and oh.

637
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:21.840
My god, I don't know if I know this show?

638
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:27.840
Uh, Game of Thrones and the Dragon how the dragons

639
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:32.920
will over time slowly get smaller and smaller and smaller

640
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:36.800
and smaller, and then they finally just died out because

641
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:41.119
they and the last sets of dragons that were hatched

642
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:46.159
and born were only like the size of dogs. Right. Interesting, Yeah,

643
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:51.800
So it's very similar kind of idea, right, Yeah, And

644
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.960
a lot of this stuff too that that you're bringing

645
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:59.760
up isn't just done. What you're bringing up literature from

646
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:03.719
the on the world, but it's literally literature and accounts

647
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:07.400
of these things from around the world, Yea and Asia

648
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:12.599
and the Middle East and in India and whatnot, right.

649
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:15.239
And in islands, like how do they know about it?

650
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:16.280
Like right?

651
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:18.960
I laugh about the fact that like Hawaii talks about

652
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.920
like sorry, Hawaii, the whole country now, like Hawaiian oral

653
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:27.639
traditions refer to these dog headed men that had like

654
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:33.159
powers and stuff like, right, like how like And you

655
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:35.320
can't just say that, oh, well, they were just all

656
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:40.599
using their imagination because they claim that that's not the case.

657
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:43.719
They claim it's true. So you could call them a liar,

658
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.599
but don't call them just being imaginative because they're claiming

659
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:49.239
it's true, right, Right, It makes sense to hear someone

660
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:51.519
say I committed the crime and you're like, oh, well,

661
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:53.360
you're just that's just in your imagination.

662
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:56.280
Like no, you have to either say that they did

663
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:57.159
do that or not.

664
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:02.440
They just claimed something very serious. You can't just chalk

665
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:04.679
it up to imagination because you feel like it, you know,

666
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:08.159
call them a liar, a lunatic or something. But like

667
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:11.239
you have to provide evidence for it, and you can't

668
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:14.559
just slap the word imagination on a and when.

669
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:21.119
It rhymes across many cultures, there's probably some sort of

670
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:22.639
basis to this, right.

671
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:24.440
Right, It's like, it doesn't mean that everything's true. It

672
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:27.360
means that there's a grain of truth that's consistently pressent.

673
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:31.360
Right, So we have a lot of Cain and Caine.

674
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:35.559
What about feline like lion men? I know that I

675
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.360
talked about this with other folks like like Moab and

676
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:40.760
a couple of yeah.

677
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:42.320
Yeah, no, that's that's the thing too.

678
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:47.480
There's trying to remember where there are there are several

679
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:55.159
mostly Middle Eastern areas that have either rock art or

680
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:59.840
like relief carvings that show lion headed men. There are

681
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:02.920
there are plenty of writings that will also talk about

682
00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:08.880
line headed men. You'll have you'll have dog headed, line headed,

683
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:17.320
sometimes bare headed, dog headed, bird headed, I mean, yeah,

684
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:19.639
crocodile like. It's kind of it's a lot of them, right.

685
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:22.360
But it's funny because it makes me laugh just because

686
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.039
it's like, well, just go look at Egyptian gods.

687
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:28.960
Exactly, go look at the pantheon and and it'll.

688
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:29.800
And you'll get a good idea.

689
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:31.599
What about ape though.

690
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.679
So you know, I haven't.

691
00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:38.159
I have yet to come across an ape headed one.

692
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:40.519
I'm not saying it's not out there. I just but

693
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:45.039
for whatever reason, like I've come into so a lot

694
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:49.079
of things will talk about ape like creatures with with

695
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:53.800
other heads, But I have yet to come across an

696
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:55.800
ape headed person.

697
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:56.840
I don't know.

698
00:39:57.960 --> 00:39:58.960
Have you heard of that?

699
00:39:59.119 --> 00:39:59.199
No?

700
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.440
I haven't. I mean, and that's one of the things

701
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:04.000
that throws me off about the whole thing, as I've

702
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:08.639
seen at serpents as well, and lots of serpent and

703
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:11.800
some of that's geographical too, lots of serpents in South

704
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:15.800
America and North America. Yeah, well, and you have that

705
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:18.719
kind of throws me off a little. Yeah.

706
00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:21.760
I find it fascinating that the same is true for

707
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:25.079
the spiritual beings that we see. We have we have snakeheads,

708
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:27.679
you say, well, which ones are those? Seraphim? And then

709
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:30.679
with the chair beam, we see people headed, right, we

710
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:34.159
see egal headed. Now we don't see crocodiles, right, but

711
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:36.840
you know, we see bears and all these different creatures

712
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:41.400
showing up like, Okay, we have these various headed spiritual creatures,

713
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:44.599
but we don't see but yeah, we don't see like

714
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:48.079
headed spiritual beings either. So maybe that's it, Like, maybe

715
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:50.360
it's that there are more spiritual beings that I mentioned.

716
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:54.960
Obviously there's more out there, and I wonder if maybe

717
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:58.320
there just weren't any once we just didn't get them.

718
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:02.239
But I don't know, Like who's to say this is to.

719
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:06.960
Say, I don't know, it's really weird. So since you're

720
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.719
somewhat of a biblical scholar, would you consider yourself.

721
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:13.559
Yeah, I mean not, that's hard for me to.

722
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:18.320
Oh, yes, I'm a biblical scholar, but you know pretty

723
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:21.719
well all right, So this is a question that's been burned.

724
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:24.199
It just hit me too. It's not just hit me,

725
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:30.320
but it's a question that's been burning in me. What's

726
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:35.639
the deal with like other humans like Neanderthal or desert

727
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:39.960
buildings or Homo florensis or yep.

728
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:45.880
So what I'll tell you my opinion, your opinion if

729
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:46.639
you hear I.

730
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:50.679
Mean, you're not. I don't know, if any It's almost

731
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:51.400
impossible to.

732
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:56.079
Have a dogmatic biblical stance on this because there's just

733
00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:58.039
what are you going to stand on?

734
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:02.679
But almost anything in the Bible actually.

735
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:10.519
Well for specifically claiming yeah, for saying, okay, well this species.

736
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:12.039
Other than the word.

737
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:14.159
Yeah, it's all these creatures.

738
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:16.760
The thing is like when we talk about it's like

739
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:20.039
you meant to mention slunches, which, if I correctly, those

740
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:21.239
are the shorter guys.

741
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:24.519
Right, Yeah, that's the like in the Bali kind of

742
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:27.559
Indonesian they're like hobbits. Yeah.

743
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:30.920
And it's the same thing I mean, again, very consistently

744
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:32.360
talked about in all sorts of cultures.

745
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:32.559
Right.

746
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:36.119
I think what we're doing is we're just putting on

747
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:43.599
these modern terms to describe things that are various deformities

748
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:46.320
from from nepheline genetics, That's what I think.

749
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:48.840
Yeah, so it could be just an anomaly or or

750
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:55.000
a genetic diversion, right because I know, like, well, but

751
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:57.280
it's one of those things. It depends on what you're

752
00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:09.559
going at DNA testing, Right, I have some Neanderthal DNA allegedly, right, congratulations,

753
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:12.320
But you know what I'm saying, Yeah, it's part of

754
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:17.320
my DNA profile, right, So what does that mean? Am

755
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:18.519
I part?

756
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:21.400
Who wouldn't be? Is my question?

757
00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:24.119
Right? Well, everyone is a little bit.

758
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:27.440
Have, right, everybody has to have just varying amounts and

759
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:30.400
when you look back, you know, I say this knowing

760
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:32.559
that so many people talk about this stuff in this

761
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:36.840
field have said this, But it's the blood lines thing, right,

762
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:39.679
It's like, oh, well, right, correct, Why was it so

763
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:43.599
important to keep these kingly blood lines? It's like, well,

764
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:46.679
in some cultures it wasn't interestingly enough, and then and

765
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:48.760
a lot of the other ones, they're all like, we're

766
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:52.440
really worried about keeping the bloodline. And I do think

767
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:54.079
that a lot of that had to do with trying

768
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:58.440
to keep straight up genetics that had spiritual power whatever

769
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:00.840
you want to call it to it right where it's like, hey,

770
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:04.039
we're proud to trace our genealogy back to these you know.

771
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:09.159
And it's not just like Europeans either, I can tell

772
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:16.840
you from experience. I also know different places, being I've

773
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:20.639
been around the world and I know for sure, uh

774
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:24.440
and having many friends from different cultures that there's also

775
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:28.760
families Like well, they talk about the families, right, these bloodlines.

776
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.320
Some of them are Middle Eastern, some of them are Asian,

777
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:38.679
some of them, and it's like there's this this bloodline

778
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:46.199
purity thing all across the entire world, which just blows

779
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:47.079
my mind a little bit.

780
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:50.559
Yeah, you know, but it's consistent, right, it is consistent.

781
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.079
And the thing is so further back you go in history,

782
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:57.760
they are claiming connection to godship, right, like that's what

783
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:01.760
they're saying. Agains just like making it up. It's like,

784
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:05.280
this is what they said. So again, call them liars,

785
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:08.239
call them misunderstood, whatever you want, but don't call it

786
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:11.199
imagination because it's what they claimed.

787
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:16.599
Right, right, and we are descending from whoever whatever.

788
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.480
What's interesting is recently this year, I've come across a

789
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:23.840
lot of early church fathers that described certain not all

790
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:27.480
of them, but certain gods as specifically being Oh well,

791
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.280
that guy used to be just a nepheline and he

792
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:32.559
was a he was a warrior king and he died

793
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:34.599
and then he quote became a god, but he's not

794
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:35.880
as powerful as you think he is.

795
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:37.119
Like these are the things.

796
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:41.440
That early fathers, they were like correcting the narrative of

797
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:46.559
mostly Europe and Middle East at the time, an Asia

798
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:48.280
minor and they're like, hey, you know, like this is

799
00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:50.760
what's going on, and that's those are the explanations that

800
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:52.960
they're giving. And I'm talking about people like Commodianus and

801
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:56.840
Lactantius and people like that.

802
00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:00.920
You go, like Gary Wayne I love he'll call them

803
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:04.159
like back to like the let's just call him the

804
00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:09.440
the the watchers, the and he'll call them the spiritual mafia,

805
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:11.639
godfathers or something.

806
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:12.840
Like Yeah, that's a good way saying it.

807
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:15.920
Yeah, And that they are the what you would consenter

808
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:22.440
some of them are the higher tier little g gods

809
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:24.880
right right.

810
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:27.039
And the fact that they you know, I talked about

811
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:29.679
this a lot, but like when you read Jewish literature,

812
00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:33.800
people like Parlo of Alexandria, Flavius, Josephus, these are first

813
00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:39.679
century Jewish scholars. They they explicitly connected these and so

814
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:42.599
did even jud and Peter by the way, and in

815
00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:45.480
the New Testament of the Bible, all these guys I

816
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:49.639
just mentioned, they directly connect the Genesis six narrative to

817
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:55.320
Greco Ruman mythological narratives. They're like, oh, those are the

818
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:58.840
those are the creatures that the that the Grecians referred

819
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.039
to as as giants. That's what I Fabius says in

820
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:06.440
I think it's book one, chapter three, section one. He

821
00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:09.079
talks about that. And then you have, you know, follow

822
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:12.199
things Alexandria and his writing about like slowly called on

823
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:14.320
the giants, right, and he talks about it, and then

824
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:17.840
j and Peter and Jude six rough seven second Peter

825
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:21.079
two four through six they're talking about and literally Peter

826
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:25.199
uses the word whence is cast into hell, literally the

827
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:28.039
word that mean there were first to Tartaris. So he's

828
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:33.000
saying that those watchers and Genesis six were the Titans

829
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:37.239
that they were casting as Tartaris, and that they were defeated,

830
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.519
that they weren't defeated by you know, zeus, they were

831
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:44.079
defeated by aahweh. And that's the correction to the narrative, right,

832
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:46.480
It's like it wasn't that they were defeated by This

833
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:49.800
makes so much sense, right, because you have these nepheline

834
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:53.079
you know, lower case you know, g gods, right, that

835
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:55.199
they die and then they become these evil spirits that

836
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:59.039
are that are sticking around, and then they claim, oh,

837
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:02.760
we were the ones who feeded those you know those guys,

838
00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:04.400
know you didn't you lie?

839
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:10.119
Like well they know that they lie and they pervert.

840
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:18.000
Yeah everything right, right, Yeah, totally, it's ridiculous. Yeah, it

841
00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:21.000
makes sense though, like like with the wholely referring to

842
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:22.880
them as you know mafia, right, it's like, well, yeah,

843
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:24.519
that makes sense if you're going.

844
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:24.840
To take.

845
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:26.440
Right.

846
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:30.559
Yeah, you don't want to be known as the runts

847
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:33.400
who who made it through and they're still around. You

848
00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:34.880
want to be known as the ones who defeated the

849
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:38.119
other ones, like because you're looking for authority in power.

850
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:41.239
You're not looking to be like, oh, hey we were

851
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:45.679
killed and our fathers were chained up, but you.

852
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:47.519
Should follow us. Like what why would I follow you?

853
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:49.480
What do you you saund like the loser.

854
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:52.280
But if you go, hey, well actually we defeated those

855
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.239
guys were even more powerful, it's like, well then yeah,

856
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:56.519
you're going to get a following.

857
00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.639
So it's just honestly logical on their part.

858
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:06.000
Yeah, for sure. Another article that I read of yours

859
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:15.480
that I really liked was the oh my gosh, the Dragon.

860
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:17.599
The Dragon of yahweh.

861
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:18.559
Yes, that one.

862
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:19.639
That's a fun one.

863
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:23.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I I came across that accidentally. I

864
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:28.199
was just reading through Fabius receiphus works on the Antiquity

865
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:31.320
of Jews again, big book, and I'll read back through

866
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:33.079
it and be like, how did I miss that last time?

867
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:36.800
But he he mentions when he's talking about the story

868
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:39.920
where you know it's not Moses, but when Aaron's staff

869
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:41.400
is cast down before Pharaoh and.

870
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:42.280
Turns into a serpent.

871
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:44.360
He's like, oh yeah, and it turned into a dragon,

872
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:47.519
and I was like, what, that's way cooler, Like.

873
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:52.360
Right, yeah, the dragon.

874
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:56.039
And so I went back to the scripture. I knew

875
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:58.639
the word I was looking for. I was like, Okay,

876
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:01.639
if it says nica, it's fair, like they could just

877
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:04.599
be a snake. But if it says tannine in Hebrew,

878
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:06.079
then that's that's a dragon.

879
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:06.920
That's just what that is.

880
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:10.000
So I pull it up, I look at you chapter seven,

881
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:12.880
I look at that word and I'm like, oh my gosh,

882
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:14.360
it actually says tannine.

883
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:16.519
Like that's what the Hebrew says.

884
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:19.360
This was a dragon, like in no uncertain terms like.

885
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:22.679
That they cast down.

886
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:25.519
His staff and it turns into this massive dragon, which

887
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:28.199
is really cool because and I say masses because of

888
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:30.599
how you know it was big, because in general tannin

889
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:33.039
were known as being massive. That was kind of the point,

890
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:35.440
which is why even those that look at the word

891
00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:37.880
tannine in Genesis one when it said God, that says

892
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:41.239
God created the sea monsters or sea creatures or dragons,

893
00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:45.039
which I think this first twenty one, if I'm not mistaken,

894
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:46.880
you know a.

895
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:47.599
Lot of transitions.

896
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:51.320
Will will actually, oh, whales, he has what he made

897
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:52.599
big secrets he made whales.

898
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:54.599
But because regardless of what it.

899
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:56.480
Is, they know it was big, Like that's part of

900
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:59.280
the meaning of the word. But it does mean a dragon.

901
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:02.840
It's the word that's used consistently for Leviathan, which is

902
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:08.519
explicitly described as a dragon right in job Job at

903
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:12.440
thirty nine isn't about that, but you give Bohemoth and

904
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:15.599
everything in the chapter forty and and it just goes

905
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:20.320
into great detail about Lofthon being exactly what we think

906
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:23.760
of a dragon being right. It's huge, and it's got scales,

907
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:26.119
and a breathes fire, and it's like it's got all

908
00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:30.920
the things right. And so that's the same word that's

909
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:34.840
used for what Aaron's staff turned into. And in that

910
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:37.679
article I address that there's there's some trickiness to that

911
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:40.559
passage and people argue different things, and how you can

912
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:43.519
very easily confuse Moses's.

913
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:44.559
Staff from Aaron's staff.

914
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:46.719
It's like people think that it was most up, but

915
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:49.239
it wasn't. It was Aarons, And Aarons turns into a dragon,

916
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:52.440
and Moses is consistently turns into a serpent. It was

917
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:55.840
actually just a snake when he was with the with

918
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.719
the Lord at the burning bush right, turned up a

919
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:03.800
normal snake normal, But then and then it happens again

920
00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:08.119
later and then later after Aaron Staff turns into a

921
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:11.320
dragon again, it mentions I think it's even the same chapter.

922
00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:15.920
It mentions Moses's uh staff and he says, hey, tick

923
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.639
your staff, which I turned into a serpent and touch

924
00:52:18.679 --> 00:52:21.280
it into the water turned into blood. When he says that,

925
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:23.840
you know people, oh see, no, Moses' staff was just

926
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:26.400
turned into a snake, to which the answer is, yeah,

927
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:28.880
Moses staff only ever turns into a snake, and Aaron

928
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.360
Staff is the one that turns into a dragon. It's

929
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:35.679
also Aaron's staff that ends up blossoming buds, which is

930
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:37.000
so random and cool.

931
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:41.280
But it's just the cool staffs man. These guys, I think.

932
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:44.920
I love the fact that every every guy, every twelve

933
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:47.840
year old boy, and every you know whatever, seven year

934
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:50.679
old man like you who doesn't love a good stick.

935
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:53.480
If you're a guy, if you're being honest with yourself.

936
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:56.719
Yeah, like you loved or staff event of some sort.

937
00:52:56.960 --> 00:52:58.360
Every guy loves a good stick.

938
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:01.599
So it's like I imagine, like these guys had the ultimate stacks,

939
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:04.559
they had the ultimate staffs, Like they had these super

940
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.159
cool staffs that got used these crazy ways. So I

941
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.679
I love just thinking about that. For them, they're just like, yeah,

942
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:13.559
well my stack, my staff turns into a snake, and

943
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:16.760
Aaron's like, yeah, well mine turned into a dragon, like

944
00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:20.559
some back and forth. But yeah, it's fun to look

945
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:23.519
at those passages and see how when you get back

946
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:27.400
to what original Hebrews describing those stories are way crazier

947
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:30.800
because when you imagine Aaron throwing his staf down turning

948
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:35.000
into a dragon, and then can we acknowledge that Pharaoh's

949
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:36.440
magicians did the same thing?

950
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:40.480
Dude, that is some of the most intense.

951
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:43.360
Even if you ask like someone who's involved in witchcraft,

952
00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:46.320
that is some of the most impressive. Like that's some

953
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:52.159
crazy powerful magic that's not slim pick and stuff. And

954
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:55.400
we don't know how many it's just says plural, we

955
00:53:55.440 --> 00:54:00.159
don't know how many staffs were turned into dragons. But however,

956
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:03.679
in general we can we can guess just because they

957
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:06.719
tended to have a lot of magicians and so I

958
00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:09.440
don't know, let's say it's a dozen, like a dozen

959
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:11.719
people throwing down their staffs, a whole bunch of dragons.

960
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:15.079
Part of my questions like how big was was this outside?

961
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:18.679
Where were you? Yeah?

962
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:20.679
And how big with these dragons? Like and then to

963
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:23.000
think that it's one thing, it's it's cool and kind

964
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:24.840
of crazy. See a snake swallowing other snakes.

965
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:28.960
But to watch the dragon of Yahweh devour is this

966
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:34.639
devour devour several other dragons in front of everybody? What

967
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:41.039
a crazy and awesome, powerful display of Yahweh's superiority over

968
00:54:41.079 --> 00:54:44.880
the gods of Egypt. It was like, sit down, just.

969
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:49.360
Sit down, because my dragon is gonna eat your dragons.

970
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:57.280
Like that's so cool, so outrageous, Yeah, so outrageous. H man,

971
00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:07.159
So wow. So I'm looking at time and this podcast

972
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:11.639
is called Broadcasting Seeds, and it's about planting seeds in

973
00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:16.440
people's minds, right, just to make them think outside the

974
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:21.199
normal narratives. So I would like you to plant a

975
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:24.079
seed in the audience's mind.

976
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:29.800
Okay, any seed? Can I plant two seeds?

977
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:35.000
Sure? Okay, you can plant ten seeds?

978
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:36.159
Well, sprinkles of seeds.

979
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:36.559
Yeah.

980
00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:40.360
Yeah, that's why it's called the Broadcasting Seeds.

981
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:41.360
And seeds plural.

982
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:45.760
Okay, So I think the most important seed of all,

983
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:49.679
in my opinion, is simply that that Jesus who he

984
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:52.760
says he is, And that sounds so simple, but it's

985
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:58.679
not simple. That's actually incredibly complex, and when you study

986
00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:01.920
scriptures and try toderstand who Jesus really is, it it

987
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:05.840
takes a lifetime to comprehend what that really means. So

988
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:09.519
that would be my first seed to plant is question

989
00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:11.719
what it means that Jesus is who he says he is,

990
00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:12.760
What does that actually mean?

991
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:18.119
Who did he claim he was? And what is that exactly?

992
00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:20.639
Because it is way more more.

993
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.079
The meaning behind that is far more deep than you

994
00:56:24.199 --> 00:56:31.639
probably realize. The second seed is simply accepting that the

995
00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:38.280
that the Bible is is true makes the world a

996
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:42.079
far more strange place than you have any idea, Like,

997
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:46.800
far stranger than you have any idea. It's really like

998
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:49.920
read it. People are like, oh, it's so boring to

999
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:53.159
read it. You're not reading it. Read the book like

1000
00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:56.639
it is one of the craziest books you'll ever read.

1001
00:56:57.239 --> 00:57:03.280
And it's true. We have yet to find science or

1002
00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:05.760
history that can disprove the Bible, and time and time

1003
00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:07.920
again it's been claimed and then we find out they

1004
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:08.280
were wrong.

1005
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:12.840
And actually most scientists that start digging into it and actually.

1006
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:14.920
Gives some revelations.

1007
00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:17.760
Yeah, yeah, they end up discovering things they never would

1008
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:18.320
have found otherwise.

1009
00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:19.199
This is what I'm saying.

1010
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:21.840
Like, I know for a fact for myself that the

1011
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:26.400
Bible is true empirically through if nothing else, just my

1012
00:57:26.440 --> 00:57:29.039
experiences with demonic forces and using the name of Jesus

1013
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:33.119
Christ and seeing and have complete superiority over these demonic

1014
00:57:33.159 --> 00:57:37.320
forces and creatures and beings that many claim are their gods.

1015
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:41.360
My God is just stronger than yours. That's that's my answerity,

1016
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:46.639
My dragon is bigger and stronger.

1017
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:48.239
Yeah.

1018
00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:51.480
But yeah, so I have no room for doubt. I

1019
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:53.440
don't have the luxury for doubt because of my experience.

1020
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:55.719
I know that God is real. I know that Jesus

1021
00:57:55.760 --> 00:57:57.119
is who he says he is, and I know that

1022
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:02.079
He is supreme over all and everything that exists. Because

1023
00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:06.079
of that, knowing that he says scripture is true, reading

1024
00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:11.760
scripture and seeing that these things are true, it like

1025
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:16.079
that's probably the fattest seed here. Like, if you acknowledge

1026
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:18.719
that everything in the Bible is true and just read

1027
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:24.000
that book, your life can't stay the same because the

1028
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:26.639
world is way weirder than you think it is, And

1029
00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:31.199
so I encourage you to read the whole book. It's

1030
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:36.760
shorter than the Harry Potter series. Yeah, it's shorter than it.

1031
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:40.000
And most people have read the Harry Potter Like, just

1032
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:43.400
just read the book, read the Bible and see what happens,

1033
00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:46.760
because it is wild. When you stop to say, what

1034
00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:48.800
is that? I don't know what that word means? What

1035
00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:52.920
is that when it says goat demon? What is it

1036
00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:56.840
talking about there? When it says when it says night monster?

1037
00:58:57.199 --> 00:58:58.039
You know what is that?

1038
00:58:58.119 --> 00:58:58.320
Oh?

1039
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:00.679
That's this entity? Is lilith?

1040
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:00.880
Like?

1041
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:02.599
What's going on there?

1042
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:02.719
Like?

1043
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:07.840
Ask questions and dig in knowing that that scripture is true.

1044
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:14.119
And the last seed I'd say is history is just

1045
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:17.880
simply not what you've been told it, just like there

1046
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:20.480
are things that you've been told that are true, but

1047
00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:25.840
it is a watered down and modified version of the truth.

1048
00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:29.719
If you read all this other stuff that I'm talking

1049
00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:32.119
about is free and publicly available, like History is by

1050
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:35.079
Herodotus right, Antiquities of the Jews by Josephus.

1051
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:37.480
Go read old stuff.

1052
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:41.320
You will be blown away with how much magic and

1053
00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:45.480
monsters you find throughout history that are described. It is

1054
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:47.840
way more entertaining than you think it is.

1055
00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:54.119
So look at this visual representation. Yeah, this is all

1056
00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:57.639
the Harry Potter books. There, all the Harry Potter books.

1057
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:00.719
Just read that.

1058
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:05.559
One and that's lovely. And yeah it's a little tiny

1059
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:10.000
fun but it's not that small in comparison, right.

1060
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:12.840
Yeah, and it's I forget every in the numbers. At

1061
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:16.000
one point the word count. It's probably like a little

1062
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:18.840
time bat half as many words or something like that.

1063
01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:22.199
But yeah, it's read the book. It's wild.

1064
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:26.519
I'm just saying it. Just see it visual representations. I

1065
01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:26.920
like that.

1066
01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:27.360
Thank you.

1067
01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:31.440
Yeah, that's pretty awesome.

1068
01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:34.679
And I think the rest of this episode was probably

1069
01:00:34.719 --> 01:00:38.440
just a spattering of seeds for sure, just.

1070
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:40.880
To I mean, I've always said in my audience, I'm

1071
01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:44.960
sure sick of it. We need to get some couple

1072
01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:50.239
of Christian billionaires together, and because there are some, and

1073
01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:53.440
we need to hire Peter Jackson, the guy who did

1074
01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:59.719
the Lord of the Rings movies, to turn this into

1075
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:04.679
you know, like a six part movie series. It would

1076
01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:09.800
probably make billions and billions and billions of dollars. Plus

1077
01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:14.679
it'd be the best damn action movie. Seriously, I mean,

1078
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:18.519
people don't understand. Yes, yes, it's because because we sit

1079
01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:21.840
in church and they don't teach you or talk about

1080
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:26.519
the parts. Most churches. Yea'm not saying all yeah, most

1081
01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:29.320
churches don't talk about that. I mean it's like a

1082
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:33.440
I mean, come on, man, likes David's stories and the

1083
01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:36.119
stories of the Mighty Men and it's insane.

1084
01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:37.199
It's insane.

1085
01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:40.639
It's the battle scenes are I'm getting chills just thinking

1086
01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:41.079
about it.

1087
01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:43.880
Yeah, it's really really crazy, That's what I'm saying that

1088
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:46.960
it is way more action packed. You're like, oh, you

1089
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:48.360
like Norn, you like Lord of the Rings.

1090
01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:50.039
Guess what the Bible has giants?

1091
01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:51.599
Well, that's what they're based off of.

1092
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:52.199
Monsters.

1093
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:55.360
Yeah, it's got like that's the thing, all the mythologies,

1094
01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:56.639
all the all these stories.

1095
01:01:56.679 --> 01:01:58.079
Why do you think we're so fascinating with it?

1096
01:01:58.159 --> 01:02:00.880
Because there's a grain of truth and I'm here to

1097
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:03.960
tell you that the Bible is that truth. It's telling

1098
01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:07.199
you that the correct version of all those stories and

1099
01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:10.079
when you read it, man, it's wild.

1100
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:18.119
Yes, all right, seth man, you make people's heads explode.

1101
01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:22.199
Do me a favor and tell everyone where they can

1102
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:22.880
find you. Again.

1103
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:27.159
Yeah, So Project Elisar dot com. You can just google

1104
01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:29.960
Project Alisar and if you go to my website you

1105
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:33.119
can see my social media links and again podcast links

1106
01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:36.320
and all those, all those things pretty active on Instagram

1107
01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:38.760
the most, so plenty of people reach out to me

1108
01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:40.440
that way. And you can reach out to me at

1109
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:44.599
Project delis are at proton dot me because I like Proton,

1110
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:48.480
so you can send me an email through there and yeah,

1111
01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:51.840
yeah it is and I'll be happy to talk to you.

1112
01:02:52.320 --> 01:03:00.719
So amazing, appreciate thanks for coming on. And what hidden

1113
01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:02.480
will open?

1114
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:05.719
See Gouda. This guy's figing giants father, But the truth

1115
01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:09.039
still stands high. Strange dans ridden in the ancient lass,

1116
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:12.480
dig deep, what sitting will rise? Keep your eyes open

1117
01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:15.800
see due to this guy echoes from the past, shuttles

1118
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:18.559
in the scrolls, three races, Mark car keeping.

1119
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:21.960
The soul stranger, the fiction prophecy a line this the

1120
01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:25.039
reason seed that'll wakens the mine legends in the dark,

1121
01:03:25.159 --> 01:03:27.880
but the lake breaks through. Every hitting giant got a

1122
01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:30.840
store for you, and he just turned and the message

1123
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:31.199
is clear.

1124
01:03:31.480 --> 01:03:33.760
The strangeness of the Bible still speaks right here.

1125
01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:37.039
Walk Giants fall, but the truth still stands high. Strange

1126
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:40.760
des ritten in the ancient last dig deep. What's hitting

1127
01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:43.400
will rise? Keep your eyes open see due to this

1128
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:49.719
guy's saga, giants fall The truth still stands strange.

1129
01:03:50.159 --> 01:04:00.199
What sitting little rise open? See to this guy what

1130
01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:02.440
give your eyes open?

1131
01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:04.519
See good the disguise.

1132
01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:26.679
Giants fallow. The true still stands.

1133
01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:29.920
High, strange as riding of the a shall has stingle?

1134
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:31.360
What situ bull rise?

1135
01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:32.480
If your eyes open?

1136
01:04:32.599 --> 01:04:33.719
See thud in the sky.

1137
01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:36.840
If you're a giants followed, the true still stands high.

1138
01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:40.760
Strange as dy of the anc lasting jingle? What situ

1139
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:41.360
bull rise?

1140
01:04:41.440 --> 01:05:03.880
If your eyes open see goe to disguise, assass