April 7, 2026

Believing the Bizarre: What’s Real and What’s Not? | Tyler & Charlie

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Join us as we explore the world of high strangeness with hosts Tyler and Charlie from Believing the Bizarre. Discover their backgrounds, favorite paranormal stories, and thoughts on the nature of the supernatural, all while sharing insights and personal experiences.

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I'm here with Charlie, or if I was here by myself.

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If I was here by myself, I'm out. If we

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were together, I think I'd like to think I would

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get my phone out and like try and can't record.

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I probably I would probably go in freeze mode.

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I'd probably like like hyper aware, like frozen, looking all around,

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trying to see like is that it is it over?

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Is there something else?

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I try to record my phone by be out of storage, right,

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I'd be.

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Deleting wonderful memories of my son, my son's first son's

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first steps is deleted.

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I gotta catch this.

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Broadcast broadcast scenes in the Minds of the Beat.

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Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of Broadcasting Seeds.

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I am your host, Bennett Tanton, and today we've got

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Tyler and Charlie from Believing the Bizarre, Believing the Bizarre, Right.

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Yeah, you were you tempted to say believing in the bizarre. Yeah,

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we get that, And that's why I happened.

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That's why I wrote it down because I'm like, it's

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not believing in because I totally would say that.

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So you wrote in the bizarre, you scratch a big.

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X, big X. Believing the Bizarre podcast. So, gentlemen, welcome

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to broadcasting seeds.

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Tell us a song, Yeah, thank you.

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Yeah, man, tell us who you are, what you do,

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and where people can find you.

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Okay, I am I am Charlie and I am the

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co host of Believing the Bizarre. I'm saying if it's

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almost becoming like I'm saying the word too much, I'm

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starting to lose fucking meeting.

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Believing or co hosts.

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Oh both. Okay, we don't get interview that often. No, oh,

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you know, all right, I'm Tyler.

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We're Believing the Bizarre. Where a paranormal podcast.

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It's been around for six years and basically we do

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what anyone who run a campfire or talking to your

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friends want to do, talk about paranormal topics, cryptids, hauntings, aliens,

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and then at the end of each episode we discuss

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whether or not we actually find it believable or not nice.

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I like that it's a good twist.

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Yeah, And because sometimes you get lost in the sauce. Yeah, yeah,

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I think there's a there's a lot of I mean,

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you can't believe in everything, right, and I think that

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sometimes it feels a little shtickish, stickish. If you do.

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And one of my favorite sespressions is if your if

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your head's to open, your brain falls out.

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I like that.

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Yeah good, I like that one a lot.

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It's pretty good.

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So so we'll tell a story and it will sound

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crazy and we'll be super into it and at the

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end of the episode will be like unbelievable, Like I

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don't believe a second of that. But wasn't it fun

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to talk about it for forty five minutes? And uh,

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and anywhere you anywhere you listen to podcasts? Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

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I Heart specifically yeah, well not specific well, but where.

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Do you where do you guys drive your podcast? Like,

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where's spots? I'm gonna say the highway Spotify? Yeah yeah,

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Like where do you want the traffic to go?

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Spotify?

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Yeah?

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Well that's where they are.

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We are in the rare group of podcasters where seventy

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percent of our audience is Spotify, where I feel like

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the majority of other people that we've talked to the

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majority is Apple for sure. For me, it is this

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is definitely behind the curtain kind of stuff right now.

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Well, yeah, yeah, they're in I you know, YouTube as well.

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But are we talking about data and statistics? The whole episode.

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I don't want to get marketing in real life.

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Yeah, I'm a marketing that's like, that's how his brain works,

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it is.

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That's awesome. Okay, So first question, I ask everybody what

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and you guys can obviously answer independently. So what got

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you into this world of high strangeness? Like what's your

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gateway drug into this world?

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Do I go first? And go first? I feel like

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I went for his last time? Okay, okay, And this

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is I love this question because I think I'm not

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gonna give away Charlie's answer, but we both come from

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different worlds and I think they compliment each other well.

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So my background is specifically in horror media. Like from

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a very very young age, I was obsessed with the

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Sci Fi channel. I loved, you know, before it was

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all a bunch of TV shows. Sci Fi used to

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always promote like that nine pm Saturday night movie that

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was so CGI, but I didn't care as like big

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Spiders or you know, something like that, and so I

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always look forward to that. I always loved it so

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scary movies. I love horror video games. I'm a big

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resumeal fan, a little silent Hill, uh, evil within dead space,

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new Resumeable Requiem came out. I just finished Ari four

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remake with my sister finally, Proud of you, thank you.

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It took three years. And uh and and even like

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at a young age, like I love the Twilight Zeo

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marathons on Fourth of July and New Year's goose Bumps.

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Are You Afraid of the Dark?

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My mom loves always remind me that a like five

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years old, she showed me Night of Living Dead. So

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from me, from my on my end, I do not.

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I did not know the lore of creatures. I didn't

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know like Appalachian lore. I didn't know about fay or

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cryptids or like I knew the moth Man and the

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big foots. But truly, if it wasn't in a horror

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film or a horror story or something like that, I

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was not aware of it. I wasn't well educated on it.

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So it was for me it's very much horror media from.

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A young age, yeah understand. Yeah.

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And I came from a little bit different place.

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So my mom was always super into like crystals and like,

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uh good healing, good energy kind of vibes. She read tarot,

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she was she was always very into that kind of stuff.

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And she would take me to like metaphysical fairs when

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I was a kid. Uh, we would, and like I

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feel like I got the more like hippie dippy, like

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in touch of their spirit kind of side.

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And that's where the like the lore really I really

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got fell in love with.

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Like the like the history of like cryptoides and aliens

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and ghosts.

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Specifically, your friends were like, you want to go to

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see your point, Charlie. You're like, I gotta go to

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the medical physical metaphysical fair medical name you had a cough, Yeah, no,

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metaphysical affair. I remember one time specifically, I made chocolate.

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Uh like a raiki like like the chakras y Yeah,

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I sold them.

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Yeah.

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But I kind of came from that world where there

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was almost like a very spiritual side of it, get it.

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Yeah, I am the reik. Yeah, I'm a I used

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to be well I don't really do it now, but

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reiki practitioner. So I get it. I'm I've been in

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that world too, man. Yeah, the metaphysical affairs and all

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the stuff.

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Oh yeah, yeah.

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My aunt, My aunt is a she's she's very still

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into it down Kentucky.

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Is that Lily Dale?

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Is that?

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No?

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New York.

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Yeah, he's in New York.

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Yeah, in the area Lilydale.

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Lily Dale's over south of Buffalo. I think so well,

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it's like it's like halfway between us, you and you

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guys and and me. It's like halfway between.

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Very unreal experience with Lily Dell oh Man. So I

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like it was like this a huge like group reading

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toward the end of the day. It was like one

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of the last events of the day. I was there

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with my my girlfriend and my wife, and it was

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after my mom had passed, and I picked out of

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the crowd and like some people, you know, you could

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say it's.

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Cold reading or whatever. Yeah, it was. It was much

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more personal than that and just too too Right on.

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I walked away and I was like, I need I

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need some alone time in the car.

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Nice So you left her there? Yeah, you drove away.

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I'm going home.

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No twenty bucks for uber Roy Mustang from Full Malchemists.

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It was clearly crying that. It was clearly raining that day,

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and I was not crying. It was raining in my car.

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Yeah, how did you guys meet?

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Seven minutes and heaven in the closet? We uh, So

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we went to the university of Akron together. We were

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both freshman at the same time. We didn't meet each

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other first semester, but Charlie was Yeah, Charlie was a

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theater major and I dabbled in theater. I was like

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a drug. I was a black sheep in psychology. Like

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I liked the classes, but I didn't mess with any

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of the other psychology majors. But I love theater. I

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loved improv, I loved acting, and so I was like

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spending more time in that world than psychology. But then, uh, well, y'all,

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like you.

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Tell, like, oh, I mean I I was. I was

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in the theater. I knew the people in the theater,

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like the club, the department, and like, oh what the

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guild the guild like that. Oh have you met Tyler?

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And I was like no, Like you might be really

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good at improv.

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You should meet Tyler. I was like, Okay, I'll find him.

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Sub quest for him. It was like new sub quest

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find this.

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Dude was Also we lid to the same plays.

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That's true.

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Uh dorm Sam dorm.

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Yeah, and we had a lot of in common people

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that we knew and past each other going to lunch

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room and I was like, oh shit, and I spun

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and some people say it was on a dime.

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I don't know if it was that precise in face,

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but I was like, oh, hey, you're Tyler right, and

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he was like yeah. I was like, you live in Galucchi.

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He's like, yeah, on the third floor. He said three

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to nineteen, which is true with the other Tyler was

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my best friend, straight stucker.

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And then I think I said, you asked my social

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Security number.

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I said, haha, yes, I knew it, but uh so,

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but I on my end I found out he was

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in a band and I was just learning guitar, and

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he was very clear that his band sucked. So this

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was great for me. It's like I'm just learning. Yeah,

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like he's just learning, I'm not any good. They just jam.

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I'm like, this is cool. So it kind of for me.

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It was actually more the music. And but then we

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started acting together. We ran an improv group like three

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years at the University of Vakron, and then that just

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turned into meshing a whole bunch of creative projects for

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the last fifteen years. Yep.

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So at what point did you realize, yeah, we should

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absolutely start a paranormal podcast.

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So we started a band first, in twenty sixteen, and

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we were not good. Fine, we were very not good.

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I think we're fine, thankfully, when it's that's poor wording.

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The pandemic killed the many people. Yeah, the pandemic killed

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the band. And at the same time a Basis left.

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And so around that time I approached Charlie with the

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idea of starting a podcast that's not what we currently do.

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It was more of like a variety showy and we

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look at that as like our training wheels, where we

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spent a year of doing that, putting an episode out

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every week, learning the tech, learning the editing Charlie a

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Doman previously, but just finding how we meshed together and

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all of that and sticking to it. And we just

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realized that we weren't growing. But because of the variety

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show structure, there was no reason for someone to listen

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from one week to the next, Like it was too

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all over the place. So then we were like, we

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had a meeting and we were like, let's create a

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list each of us and we were just gonna bullet

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point things that we like and we're gonna cross check.

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We're gonna see anything that we both would do a

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whole podcast about. And so he had his stuff, I

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had my stuff, and one of the few things that

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overlapped was paranormal.

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We were both very much in the paranormal.

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And the plan was to keep doing that podcast for

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fun and start Believing the Bizarre and just do these

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little fifteen to twenty minute episodes. We were going to

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batch accord them. It was gonna be easy and great.

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And then by like the third month, we were getting

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more downloads in one day with Believing the Bizarre than

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we were getting months with the other one. So we

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cut ties with that podcast and committed to Believe. Yeah,

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it's still out there if you want to look hard enough,

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if you look hard enough.

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Yeah, I think we all have those podcasts out there

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that are just like floating, you know, like all these Yeah.

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They're great training wheels, Yeah, because.

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You go back and listen to like your first episode

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and you're like, oh Jesus, like the audio is all

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just sucked.

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Yeah, And I'm much rather have people listen to the

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first like I you know, the first episode. Believing the

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Bizarre obviously in my opinion, is in the quality of

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what we do now, but it's significantly better than the

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first episode of that podcast. So do we share a

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snowball microphone.

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Uh no, we had two snowballs.

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We had two snowballs, the snowballs, the yetty snowball. Yeah,

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you know that was my first mic too.

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So still used as a yetti snowball.

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So yeah, people, there's a guy that I interviewed pretty

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regularly and he's still he has one. He sounds fine.

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Yeah, we went from the snowball to this YETI it's

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now the road, so this is probably well he wants

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to sure, this is probably the end of the line.

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Sure, pretty boogie though, Sure it's pretty boogie.

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Oh. He knows that he's gonna walk around with that thing.

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He'll be in public.

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He'll be the guy that sits there and holds it right.

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Oh yeah, I'm like, oh, so what do you think

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about this? You know how much I would love to

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have a podcast where you don't need any notes or

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research and you can get his lounge sitting back holding

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your microphone.

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Yeah yeah, talk, just talk, just talk man.

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The privilege.

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So you guys have done this for quite a while,

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and what was I guess with all your interviews and whatnot,

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what was the first Now, do you guys do more

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interviews or do you just like find topics or do

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you even do interviews a little?

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Mostly topics topics. We would do interviews occasionally with other podcasters,

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and then it turned into occasionally with like people in

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the paranormal world that we want to talk to. But

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then we realized that we didn't know how much which

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our audience liked interviews. And I get I get anxieties

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like I never want to interview someone and feel like

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I don't know them or what I'm talking about. And

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that's more of a me thing than I think even

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any of our guests cared about. So what we do

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now is called it Terrified Together, where we will bring

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another podcast or someone else on and we tell stories

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and so they react to the stories the same as

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we do. Their listeners submitted and and we'll weave in

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questions about their creative projects or like what they're working

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on and things like that. But the overarching kind of

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flow is we're still talking about stories. We're still getting

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reactions like when does this come out?

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Gosh, it might be a month, Okay, Well, we just

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have a lot of stuff in the kiddy, I mean,

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it could be whenever. It's It's okay.

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I was just asking because we have we have a

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We actually did a pretty big terrified together, and I

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don't want this to come out before that comes out.

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Because we can talk. We can talk.

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Okay, Well we did it terrified together with Sinners. I'll

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be honest. I was like, who's he talking about? That's

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a big fucking no.

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You know what.

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I didn't think of them and thing not big. I

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couldn't remember.

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Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, it was the other night and

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that was pretty awesome.

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That was awesome. Here, what was the first story that

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like genuinely rattled you shit?

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Mm?

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Or of any of them?

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Like, there's definitely been creepy ones. I I'm not I'm

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not really a religious person, which is kind of a

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weird thing to cope with in terms of I do

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believe in ghosts, but even without much of an innate

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religious belief, anything that's demonic is just inherently ten times scarier. Yeah,

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and so there's been like possession stories you have gotten me.

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There's been possession stories that we've covered that have really

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uh freaked me out. There's even like listeners submitted ones

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where like they were talking about like the Ouiji board

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teamon was incredibly scary. Do you remember the episode. I

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don't remember it.

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I don't remember what episode it was, but I know

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you did it. It was the first episode we turned

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off all the lights upstairs.

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Oh and we had just had a candle. Was it

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rolland Dough? I don't think so. Maybe it was a

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possession though Wae, it was a possession. It might have

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been rolland Doou that one. Yeah, but even like like

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women in Black, which are like the counterparts of Men

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in Black, like researching that one really freaked me out.

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And then just some of the stories like like that

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type of stuff really just analyst Michelle freaked me out

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research wise.

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I remember specifically, I was in my bedroom upstairs.

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With my wife and it was pretty late.

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It was a weekend, and there was only one light

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source in my lamp, and like my bedroom is like

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the whole attics was pretty big, and I almost felt

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like something was behind the closet, like like out closet,

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like outshoots.

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I can almost feel something like my eye, like eyes

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on me.

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You know. Yeah, it was eerie.

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So then you shut it down right till the next time.

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I shut that ship down real quick. Yeah, I turned

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on TV.

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I said, well, time to watch them television time to

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watch Modern Family.

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Yeah.

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Family Guy is something stupid and funny. Yeah, it's crazy

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when you're researching sometimes you just get that feeling like

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you shouldn't be. I think it's because there's movies and

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like there's you know, things out there where it's like

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when once you start digging too deep and they start

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once you start noticing it, it notices you noticing it.

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If you step right.

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Yeah, so that like there'll be times i'd be researching,

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like the Women in Black was the one I was

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seeing of, And the way my office used to be

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positioned was right by a window, and I remember researching

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these stories and they were just so creepy, and I

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was just expecting to like look out the window and

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in like a street light, just see someone standing there looking.

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Up there right.

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Obviously never happened, but you know, just that feeling.

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If you stare into the abyss, the abyst is back.

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Yeah. I had I had an incident like in behind

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my house, like woods. We have woods that back up

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to our house. So I had a like an incident,

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and ever since then, I just like can't like I'll

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go to the to the sink to get water, like

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before betteror whatever, and I'm just like staring out the

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window and I'm waiting, I'm waiting waiting for some like

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face to just be like a or something.

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You can't just say incident and not tell us what happened.

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Oh so I had I guess you would call it

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a a encounter with like a Lilith type entity. Oh

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and I had this for years, like but it was

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more internal and this incident, it was like three incidents.

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It became more external than all completely internal. And then

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you know I took care of that shit. Okay, Yeah,

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have you ever I mean, and you've heard the story

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like fifty times. It's just what have you.

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Ever heard your name or anything called out from your woods?

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Oh?

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A ton of times.

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I've had, No, not not these woods, other woods. Though, yes,

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for sure, we do a lot of I do a

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lot of research in the Allegaty National Forest. And are

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some creepy ship that goes on their friends. Let me

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tell you so, I have heard my name twice and

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when they say don't whistle at night, don't do it.

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I can't whistle.

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So we're good.

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And your name and your name's not like mistaken, you

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know what I mean?

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It's all.

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No, it's great and it wasn't like back because you know,

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like I grew up, people called me Ben so like that.

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You know, maybe you could get right, but no, this

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was a flat out Bennett.

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I will say though of State, New York.

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Right, it could be it could be beer cheese like becheese,

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could be dude cheese.

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I don't know a lot of and beer cheese, man.

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That's what I'm saying.

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Well, and we're right there. We're right there at at

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poutine level too, so like the you know, so Canada's

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got it, but it only comes down so far right,

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so we're still in. We still get the poutine and

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that's just glorious ship right there, just saying that good stuff.

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Nectar of the Gods.

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To enjoy a good I've never had it in Canada.

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But damn so uh So, you guys get a lot

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of listener submissions, right, So have you noticed a like

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noticed recurring themes? I know you have, but like same entities,

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same symbols, same types of encounters and stuff.

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Let me tell you the most recurring theme that I

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never would have imagined in my life until we started

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getting these submission And it doesn't it's not entity specific.

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It could be a ghost, it could be a shadow figure,

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it could be a creature. And so many times in

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these stories people tell us they're like, I was laying

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down and I looked up and I saw this thing

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in the corner, or I saw this thing out the window,

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and then I rolled over and I went to sleep,

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and the next day it wasn't there. And I'm like,

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you what, Like, I am shocked how many people see

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these things? And I don't know if it's their body

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just like shutting down or what. But so many times

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you're like, and then I fell asleep, and then.

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I went back to sleep and it was down wow,

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And then.

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Yeah, it's it's I always pointed out because it always

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shocks me.

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That is kind of bizarre. Like I know, if I

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see something that's it's on, like, yeah, go, it might work,

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especially if it's in my house.

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Right, he's got boxing gloves underneath his pillar.

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Let's go, baby, I was. I was in the military

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for about ten years and then I was a cop

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for that. So okay, chick goes down, that's all I say.

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I guess that's fair. Charlie, Is there anything you uh?

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Theme A lot of shadow people. A lot of shadow

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people very common and see not that it.

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Seems especially lately, like within the last two years or so.

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Yeah for me, mm hmm.

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I just I feel like almost for every one alien story,

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there's like fifty shadow person stories.

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Yeah.

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But again, it's not bad or unusual. It's just a

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pattern that I notice.

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Yeah, it just is right. Yeah. Do you think that

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like most paranormal things like fall into neat categories or

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is there something bigger? Uh tying like tying things together

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like cryptid UFOs hauntings, like is there things congruency that

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are holding them together or tying them together.

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It's a quote. I can't remember who it's from. It's

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it's it's just that it's all tied together.

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Man, you're dropping dime quotes.

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Today's three for three called Steph Curry over here with

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these quotes. I just all tied together.

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I don't I know it is somehow obviously, I don't

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know how. But someone, some group out there is going

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to figure it out. Has all tied together.

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I think of it more as a perspective thing. I

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think we like putting things in boxes. Of course, I'll

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give you an example, like we just recently revisited one

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of our older episodes about the not Deer. So the

482
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whole cryptid is this thing that's pretending to be a deer,

483
00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:46.119
but it's not a deer.

484
00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:48.079
And I have a hard.

485
00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:52.920
Time thinking that there is one type of specific entity

486
00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:57.000
that is the not deer personally. But if you have

487
00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:02.640
a bigger umbrella of like mimics, mimic creatures, skin walker

488
00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:04.880
type things, something pretending to be something else and just

489
00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:08.240
doesn't perfectly match it, then I think for me, that's

490
00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:12.400
just so much easier to believe. I don't like, for

491
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:15.240
me with the paranormalst so much easier to consume when

492
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:17.559
you allow it to be a gray area, because when

493
00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:19.920
you start putting in boxes and everything's black and white,

494
00:25:20.119 --> 00:25:23.279
it's so much easier to discredit it, which we are.

495
00:25:23.559 --> 00:25:25.519
We are certainly in this for more for the entertainment,

496
00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:27.799
and if we're just dropp an episode after episode where's

497
00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:30.480
like unbelievable, unbelieve, we un believe, you know, it's like yeah,

498
00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:33.359
but and I think that limits the wonder of it now.

499
00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:37.079
I think like aliens are aliens, and ghosts or ghosts,

500
00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:39.920
but you could say there's I have some very very

501
00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:42.920
religious friends that are like, there's no such thing as aliens.

502
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:46.640
Aliens are demons, right, and to them you have that

503
00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:50.559
congruence of alien is demon, you know, if they're not

504
00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:54.480
these beings from space where other people very comfortably are like,

505
00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:59.160
no demons exist. But there's also these beings from outer

506
00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:00.720
space that are alien, right.

507
00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:06.400
The right, the extraterrestrial versus uh, you know, interstellar, interdimensional,

508
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:10.240
whatever you want to call them. M yeah, I understand

509
00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:11.160
for sure.

510
00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:16.839
Also there's also there's also the idea that you know,

511
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:21.440
the aliens and fay and these are trickter like the

512
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:25.000
same kind of tricksture and the hell the folk in

513
00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:26.759
Norwegian culture.

514
00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:29.680
I do think there is some maybe some merit to

515
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:30.279
that as well.

516
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:34.880
I don't know, I mean, I it's it's one of

517
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:39.319
those things like I I I will never I never

518
00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:43.519
discount any of it, especially people's stories. I mean, sometimes

519
00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:46.599
people are just full of shit and you sometimes you

520
00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:50.200
can tell they are right, but sometimes you can't. And

521
00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:54.039
that's okay. It's okay, it really is and it doesn't matter.

522
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:58.400
I'm not the I'm not the paranormal story police, right,

523
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:01.279
I'm just not I And I'm sure you guys are

524
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:01.839
not either.

525
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:04.000
We try not to be We try not to be.

526
00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:07.279
Yeah, you try to be open to it, but sometimes

527
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:10.920
you're just like a damn, You're like, I don't know.

528
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:13.599
We got a submission where somebody said they did hand

529
00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:15.640
to him combat in the woods with the skin walk

530
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:19.119
to God, and yeah, it was like, all right, I'm

531
00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:19.559
gonna tell you.

532
00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:20.480
I'll tell your story.

533
00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:22.519
It's like he was a clearing in the wood put

534
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:24.400
a knife on his foot and the skin walker put

535
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:27.839
a knife on his foot and like wow, And I

536
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:29.720
was like, I give you credit for sending this in,

537
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.920
you know, but right, although sometimes Tyler's h he has

538
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:36.759
a master's in creative running, and sometimes he will cinema

539
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:40.960
sins a story and what well, sometimes you will cinema

540
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.720
sins like a story like hmm, I think there's a

541
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:45.920
problem in this st there's certain times where you can

542
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:49.279
see the flowery language and you know there's certain but

543
00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:51.400
but also I don't want to make someone's story seem

544
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:52.440
fake because they're a good writer.

545
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:56.599
But I'm also gulbles ship too, like if they did

546
00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:57.319
you see that?

547
00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:00.920
He's it's good to have suspense to disbelief. And we're

548
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:04.000
doing the podcast because we are entertainment we're not. We're

549
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:06.599
not trying to convince anyone to know anything.

550
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:10.240
No, agreed, I And that's that's me too. I'm just

551
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.160
all I do is plant seeds man, hence the name

552
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:16.279
broadcasting Seeds. I just I just want to get I

553
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:19.920
want people to head towards thinking. I just because I

554
00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:24.559
fully believe in the spiritual realm and I've had sasquatch

555
00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:28.000
encounters I've had obviously we talked about the Lila thing,

556
00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:31.519
and I've I've had paranormal experiences from when I was

557
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:35.480
a child. So with that being said, that ship's real

558
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:38.920
and it's real to me. And I'm telling you, you know,

559
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:42.480
from my experience, I would go to the grave, you know,

560
00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:45.720
swear on my life whatever. H this is, this is

561
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:49.200
my true story, right, So I don't ever want to

562
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:54.599
like tell somebody they're full shit. It's just not who

563
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:56.839
I am and it's not what we're doing here. Right.

564
00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:01.319
But like with that, have you guys ever received a

565
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:05.759
submission that felt like off and and I mean off

566
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:08.640
in like something attached to it?

567
00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:15.359
Oh, not that we've noted, Not that I've noticed like

568
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:20.680
something attached to the submission like came to us from them.

569
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:25.759
Yeah, like maybe or like maybe they are like somebody

570
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:29.599
you know you can take it however, like cursed or that.

571
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:32.799
Maybe there was a you know some that you had

572
00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:35.880
weird experiences after you told the story, things like that

573
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:37.319
something something along those.

574
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:41.160
Someone hand wrote us notes one time we were going

575
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:44.440
to do that episode. There was an episode too it dude,

576
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:47.359
that was that was a lot. So I don't I

577
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:50.440
don't have an answer for us, but we were and

578
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:52.200
I can't say who it is because they asked us

579
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:54.839
not to, unfortunately, But like two years ago, we were

580
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:58.640
doing a collab with another podcaster from Ohio.

581
00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:01.160
And they had they did a whole long podcast.

582
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:04.440
Yeah, I know that's I didn't feel bad saying that

583
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.680
because it doesn't narrow down at all. But she did

584
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:09.839
a whole It was like a full season, like thirteen

585
00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:14.480
or fourteen episodes of her paranormal experiences in these really

586
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:17.119
terrifying events that she went through in her apartment. But

587
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:21.920
she told us that when people were listening to her podcast,

588
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:24.039
they started experiencing things.

589
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:24.599
In their home.

590
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:28.319
That was truly an incredible story. Yeah. And then and

591
00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:30.519
then it was we were all ready to release stuff,

592
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:32.400
and she sent us a message and she's like I

593
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:35.119
got a new job. It's very professional. I'm dropping the podcast.

594
00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:38.319
Please don't publish the interview. And I was like, shit, damn.

595
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:40.960
But and so it can't even like we've probably referenced

596
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:45.039
it so many times. Yeah, but uh, there's there's been

597
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.559
times where we've done episodes and we have felt small

598
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:52.640
little things happen in studio, but nothing huge, nothing credible,

599
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:58.880
And thankfully I don't think anything has come through any One.

600
00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:03.279
Guy a very very haunted apartment, and he sent us

601
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:05.640
all these YouTube videos of it, and so I was

602
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:08.519
cutting it up to put on social media, and I

603
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:11.079
remember having the feeling while I was editing it that

604
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:13.279
is just like because I'm rewatching it over and over

605
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:16.079
and over again, and it's like legitimate, like footage of

606
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:19.400
like things moving, something flying off of a chair, and

607
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:23.079
I felt so like exposed editing it. I'm like, please

608
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:29.039
stay wherever you are. But thankfully, unless you can think

609
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:30.359
of anything, I don't think we've had anything.

610
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:37.119
Yeah, I have a lot of shit happen. It's so weird,

611
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:41.599
but I'm in like a deeper like you guys are

612
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:46.559
more on like the comedic. I don't comedy is not

613
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:51.759
the right way to describe your podcast, but you're on

614
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:57.119
the lighter side. Yes, and I get like straight spiritual

615
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:00.240
warfare sometimes, like I get in it and.

616
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:02.720
It so interesting to me. I don't know if I

617
00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:03.440
could survive that.

618
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:07.240
Yeah, stuff comes through, man, Like I have to pray

619
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:12.319
before every single podcast I do or else. Stuff doesn't

620
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:17.640
work all the time, every every time I forgot to pray.

621
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:20.880
I'm telling you, it's so bizarre, like my door'll crack

622
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:25.599
and come open. But see here's the thing. I'm sensitive

623
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:32.359
to all this stuff, so I can tell you there's

624
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:35.359
nothing in my home at least that I can sense.

625
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:40.839
But yet like the door will open and defensive guys,

626
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:44.039
I mean, yeah, anyway, this isn't about me. This is

627
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:44.640
about you, guys.

628
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:45.880
No, it's okay, it's okay.

629
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:46.240
Yeah.

630
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:48.920
I'm not very sensitive. And Charlie is a little bit

631
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:50.200
more sensitive than I am.

632
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:52.480
But he was born into it. Man.

633
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:57.200
Well yeah, yeah, but I'm not. I feel like if

634
00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:59.960
I have worked at it, I probably be like sensitive.

635
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:01.680
But I don't want to be.

636
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:02.200
I don't want it.

637
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:02.680
I don't want this.

638
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:06.279
No, it's it's kind of spooky and weird and it

639
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:07.799
just his man, So I.

640
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:10.039
Do want to go ghost hunting desperately that way.

641
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:12.039
Yeah, so that was one of my next things. I

642
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:13.880
was going to ask, do you guys, have you guys

643
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:20.119
ever like gone out and like done any investigations of anything.

644
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.000
You know, dabbled is a good way to put that. Yeah,

645
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:27.039
there's two experiences that come to mind. In twenty fourteen,

646
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.240
we uh, one of my friends from high school was visiting.

647
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:34.000
We were doing some filming stuff and I didn't want

648
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:35.920
the night to be over, and we were watching Ghost

649
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:40.000
Adventures and I just started googling like haunted locations and Akron,

650
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:42.279
and I convinced them to go to the cemetery and

651
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:46.480
Akron that was supposedly haunted and it was.

652
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:46.799
It was.

653
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:48.720
It's so funny because this is our first true ghost

654
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:52.480
hunting experience together, and like we saw orbs and then

655
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:54.599
at the very end of the night, like we were

656
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:56.279
so caught off guard, Like we went from being really

657
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:58.799
creeped out to like at the back of the cemetery,

658
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:01.039
like talking about how beautiful the series was. The moon,

659
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:03.519
Like we felt like comfortab you could have laid down,

660
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:07.319
we were so comfortable. And then my friend was taking

661
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:10.079
pictures of the moon and he saw these orbs, like

662
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:13.480
shoot at him, and we heard this super loud noise.

663
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:17.519
So we're like rushing out of there and my my

664
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:21.519
buddy's taking pictures behind us. Yeah, and I've never felt

665
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:24.239
more like we were being stocked out of a place. Yeah,

666
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:24.960
it's funny, you know.

667
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:28.119
You you felt almost like the pressure behind you and

668
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.559
like it's funny because his friend is my friend too,

669
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:35.159
is more more athletic than both of us put together,

670
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.519
and so he's like running circles around. It's like, oh

671
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:39.320
my god, but he was walking backwards keeping up with

672
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:41.960
this because he was taking pictures behind us. Yeah, and uh,

673
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:44.280
I'm like, don't leave me because I'm like trying not

674
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:44.840
to die.

675
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.239
Yeah, right, and then it's like the bear right, Yeah, yeah,

676
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:50.000
I'm the friend.

677
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:52.840
Yeah, it was oh my god. I would have came

678
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:54.440
up running but totally possessed.

679
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:57.440
And then so we get back to the car and

680
00:34:57.440 --> 00:34:59.480
we hook up the phone to the car and we

681
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:03.320
listened to our vps and in one of one of

682
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:05.400
the clips, we say, is there anything you want us

683
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.800
to do? And just very faintly you can hear just

684
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:11.840
go back and and then one of our photos there's

685
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:14.960
like a really weird like streak in it. And in

686
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:16.760
the streak you can kind of make out a face,

687
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:19.599
like a very tribal looking face, and that was taken

688
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:22.599
when we were getting pushed out. So in my mind,

689
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:26.320
I'm like, well, this is gonna happen every time. Yeah, right,

690
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:29.639
I've never never gone ghost hunting in a cemetery and

691
00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:34.559
caught anything since, but for Halloween last year, yeah, we

692
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:40.480
did go to the Sally House in uh Kansas at Shinton, Kansas. Yeah,

693
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:43.599
and thankfully there were some other ghost hunters there and

694
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:45.760
they like let us borrow some of their equipment and

695
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:46.519
stuff like that.

696
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:51.000
I'll let you talk about your wife had some experiences.

697
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:51.400
Oh yeah.

698
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:53.719
So we were listening to like the we're doing trying

699
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:57.480
to do like this method, and my wife was hearing

700
00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:58.960
some stuff and ass method.

701
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:04.519
And our friend Parker, who is not a believer, he

702
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.400
was like boldly like, why isn't there anyone here? Why

703
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.440
don't you show yourself? Why don't you do something like stupid?

704
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:12.480
He was like, he's like antagonistic.

705
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:16.199
Yes, he didn't believe in it, at least believe it.

706
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:18.480
So I'm down. So I'm like, our tour was over.

707
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:20.519
We were there for well, this was the middle point.

708
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:22.599
This is an hour. Yeah, and I'm going down the

709
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:27.000
stairs and I just hear Charlie yelling Tyler come back here.

710
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:28.159
We need a picture now.

711
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:30.760
And I'm like, yeah, all right, because Parker I was

712
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:33.400
I was behind Parker head, not down the stairs.

713
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:37.800
Shut out Parker. And uh, he was like, you know,

714
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:40.280
my back fields were cute. Check it for me. I

715
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:43.000
think he was kidding, but I.

716
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:44.440
Don't think he said it felt weird. I think he said,

717
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:45.440
why don't you check my bad?

718
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:47.000
He said, I don't know, and I don't know why

719
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:48.920
it came up. I'll never remember.

720
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:50.639
Because the lady got scratched?

721
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:52.719
Is that why? Yeah, the girl as soon as we

722
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:54.880
got there, a lady said she got scratched. Yeah, so

723
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:56.599
I think he was calling back to that. But yeah,

724
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:58.360
he was joking. He was smart ass.

725
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:00.559
Yeah, and I checked his back and you know what,

726
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:03.840
there were three big scratches down his whole back.

727
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.639
He he was he was going through it for a

728
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:12.840
while after that. Yeah, But I mean he believes in

729
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:16.480
demons and that's what's supposed to be there. Yeah, so

730
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:20.559
its realm of belief. Before the tour before ours, we

731
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:21.639
went on daytime tour.

732
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:25.719
The tour before ours, there was this group there and

733
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:28.519
they were like they came out basically screaming.

734
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:32.840
They're like, the basement door was shaking and they heard thumping.

735
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:35.760
They heard dumping the basement door and that's locked.

736
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:36.760
No one can go down there.

737
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:38.800
Yeah, right, they won't let anyone down.

738
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:41.360
There, so they hurt. They saw that door shaking, heard

739
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:42.360
thumping behind it.

740
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:43.760
Wow, that one.

741
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:48.039
It's so funny too, because we were there for two hours,

742
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:49.559
one hour for us. In one hour, we had some

743
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.280
patrons come and hang out from the podcast, and it

744
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:54.440
was like from one to three and it was like

745
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.440
one o seven and we had pretty much done the

746
00:37:56.480 --> 00:38:01.320
whole house and I'm like, oh god, what have I got?

747
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:01.800
Hour?

748
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:04.239
At fifteen minutes and it went like this.

749
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:06.519
It was amazing. It was terrifying.

750
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:08.880
I almost I was so close to booking us an

751
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:11.920
overnight for me and Tyler Iven so scared.

752
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:14.519
I yeah, And I'm telling you, guys, that's the best

753
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:18.079
way is you just gotta you got to immerse yourself

754
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:19.480
in it and suck it up and drive on.

755
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:21.760
Mat me clear, I would have done it. They just

756
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:22.679
didn't have a time slot.

757
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:26.079
Yeah, it was it was oh gotcha, gotcha, that is

758
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:28.559
the way to do it. Though, I mean and again,

759
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:31.119
you'll you'll only do it like if you don't have

760
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:34.079
It's just like you said, you never had any experiences

761
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:37.719
after that one in the uh cemetery, right, We've never

762
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:42.519
had any more cemetery experiences. But yeah, it's one of

763
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:44.079
those things like you'll never do it again, but you

764
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:48.239
got to do it at least once. So is there

765
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:53.679
any topic that like you guys uh approach cautiously now

766
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:57.199
that that you didn't men when maybe you started.

767
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:01.719
I have answer this, you too, No, you go first. Okay,

768
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:04.440
I've still not done it.

769
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:08.360
Oh yeah, I've had this idea since we started the podcast,

770
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:10.480
so it's been about six seven years.

771
00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:12.280
Have you seen Hereditary?

772
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:18.039
I is that the one with Hugh uh Grant.

773
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:20.559
I don't think so. Well maybe unless he's the dad.

774
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:23.400
I don't know that. I don't know. I'm not I'm

775
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:24.199
not great with acres.

776
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:27.719
No, I'm not. I know, I don't I have Okay.

777
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:29.480
It's a very creepy movie.

778
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:37.719
And it's about a person people occult and the worship

779
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:39.639
of one of the kings of Hell.

780
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:43.679
Payment and it's a topic that I really want to

781
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:45.239
talk about, is the kings of Hell.

782
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:49.679
And every time I've sat down to maybe start doing

783
00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:50.440
research on it.

784
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:55.599
I almost get nauseous, I get sick. I still can't

785
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:59.119
do it. It just freaks the fuck out of me.

786
00:39:59.199 --> 00:39:59.960
I'm sorry, I was swearing.

787
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:03.440
Okay, it just freaks me out.

788
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:07.239
And you know, I don't know if I ever will.

789
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:08.760
I hope I do one day.

790
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:09.079
Do it?

791
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:11.159
I come from.

792
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:15.239
Also, my grandma is the most Catholic person who's ever catholics,

793
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:19.880
and so I did.

794
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.079
I grew up with that. And also my my dad's

795
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.360
pretty Catholic toward the end of his life. And then

796
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:28.079
there's like religion there as well. It's almost like hovering

797
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:29.800
over me. It's like you shouldn't talk about this.

798
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:32.360
Yeah, right, I get it.

799
00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:35.639
So that's that's a topic for me. That's just like

800
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:36.719
still holds me.

801
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:38.679
I'll put the pressure on you. You gotta do it

802
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:39.920
otherwise I'm gonna do it poorly.

803
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:45.800
You just gave me a show ideas just saying okay, now,

804
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:52.480
I would say what what I approach cautiously now is

805
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:57.760
I think when we first started, I didn't take topics

806
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:02.280
as seriously, and I didn't take the cultures associated with

807
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:03.559
the topics as seriously.

808
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:06.840
And then once you start getting feedback from people where

809
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:10.119
they're like, hey, I'm so happy you covered this topic

810
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:12.920
that's in our culture, but you know this this or that,

811
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:14.920
or you didn't get this that, or you mispronounce this,

812
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:20.239
and so now I think I would say both of us.

813
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:21.159
I'll speak for myself here.

814
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:23.480
I think we do a good job of trying to

815
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:26.840
go a little step further about why something is looked

816
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:28.639
at that way from the culture, or if something feels

817
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:31.559
silly to us, maybe take a different angle at it,

818
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:33.719
because we're not, you know, trying to make fun of

819
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:36.360
anyone else's culture or anything like that. And also, like

820
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:39.519
for me, in my notes that I write, I always

821
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:41.800
bowld the words that I know I don't know how

822
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:44.079
to say, and then the day of the episode, like

823
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:46.800
I'll go through YouTube and spend an hour like making

824
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:50.960
sure I'm listening to these words back. So even if

825
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:54.480
it's not like perfect, at least I'm making a conceited

826
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:57.119
effort to sound you know, to say it right, just

827
00:41:57.119 --> 00:41:59.840
out of respect, because I think until you know, when

828
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.400
when you think of it truly, And I try to

829
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:04.800
do this because if I start thinking too much of

830
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.239
people listening, then I'm in my own head and I'm

831
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.679
not present, but I think when we started because we

832
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:13.079
had never we had never had an audience with any

833
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:16.360
of our other creative projects, from music to acting to

834
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:19.320
our first podcast, and so it's just like it's just

835
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:20.880
me and Charlie and we can be silly and we

836
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:23.880
can be uh, you know. And when you were talking

837
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:27.320
about like us being a comedy podcast, in ways we

838
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:29.920
are jealous of the podcast. I can to say the

839
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:33.079
wildest shit and not care because we will say a

840
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:35.079
funny joke, but we'll be like, hey, we're gonna have

841
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:37.679
to cut this, but for our own enjoyment, let's say it,

842
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:39.880
and then it gets cut. So we're not quite that

843
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:42.000
spectrum where we can just say the wildest shit. But

844
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:44.440
I think when we first started, I wasn't thinking that

845
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:47.400
there was someone with headphones on listening to us. And

846
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:49.559
then we start getting more feedback and I'm like, okay,

847
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.199
we need to Yeah, we need to pull the reins

848
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.559
in a lot, like going to the menon Angle? I think,

849
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:59.239
is that's that right? Monanogole Meal, Monanogle I always mess

850
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:01.960
it up. I did that episode. I would say I

851
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:04.760
tried pretty hard with the with the how to say it.

852
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:05.920
I'm not that good at it.

853
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:10.239
But I will say people in that culture, they were

854
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:14.639
so kind to me. They're like, listen, you really did

855
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:16.719
not do well saying it, but you did really well

856
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:17.239
covering it.

857
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:18.440
I was like, okay, thank you.

858
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:30.559
Right, if tomorrow you had like undeniable proof that one

859
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:36.360
category was real, like whether it's bigfoot or aliens or demons, ghosts,

860
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:42.360
which one would surprise you the least?

861
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:44.599
Alien that the real?

862
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:46.519
Yeah, yeah, I would say aliens.

863
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:48.519
I think that's already happened, right, Yeah.

864
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:50.360
I feel like it already has come out and people

865
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:53.119
are like, I got bills to pay, bro, Like, yeah,

866
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:56.880
you know, it's it's I think if the same except

867
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.960
like in the seventies, if as much information from our

868
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.000
government about aliens came out, then I think people would

869
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:08.199
be shocked. Yeah, it's it's I don't know, like it's

870
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:09.639
I don't know if it's because we have so much

871
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:12.559
going on or still.

872
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:16.519
It's like everyone acts like disclosures this big thing, and

873
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:21.800
to me, it's just not. It's like okay, yeah, I

874
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:23.119
don't know about you guys, but.

875
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:26.639
You just gotta keep living. You just gotta keep doing

876
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:28.880
your thing. I mean, what, right, what what does it

877
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:31.199
truly matter in the grand scheme of thing. I think

878
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:34.199
it's very interesting. Well, it hasn't affected us exactly, that's

879
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.000
my point. It doesn't affect us, like we still have

880
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:37.199
to live our life.

881
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.280
Yeah, like if there's independence day, right and they're like

882
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:41.239
coming down.

883
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:46.559
And evading, like invading, right, Yeah, that's obviously, but you

884
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:53.280
got bigger problems then yeah, exactly, Yeah, gives a ship it. No,

885
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:55.280
they're not gonna be like, oh my god, let me

886
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:58.719
turn on you know whatever, you know, believing the bizarre.

887
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:01.800
I almost said, but I did stuff. Yeah, you're good,

888
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:04.920
but they're not going to come to us as like

889
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:09.360
you know what's going on. They're not it's is it okay?

890
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.119
So this is I think this is really interesting because

891
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:15.519
there are people in this world that don't either that

892
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:18.920
don't believe in ghosts or don't know if it ghosts

893
00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:22.679
are real and they're skeptical, but you know they're real.

894
00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:24.679
You believe in them, you know what I mean. And

895
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:29.079
it's so interesting where like even it's like the ignorance

896
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.079
is bliss. I think some people just truly don't believe.

897
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:34.760
But even myself, I believe in ghosts. If I hear

898
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:38.199
a creepy noise at night. Ghosts aren't real. That goes

899
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:40.199
through my head and I don't even believe it. But

900
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:42.840
I'm telling myself that to Coke, you know what I mean.

901
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.480
But for instance, like people who have had like one

902
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:48.880
of our friends in college, he was his roommate claim

903
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:51.400
to see a Victorian dressed woman who other people had

904
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:54.119
reported seeing in our dorm. Yeah, walk through a door.

905
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:57.000
And I just remember thinking, like I have seen cgi

906
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:01.079
Hollywood films of a ghost going through a wall, but

907
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:02.880
you got to see it in real life. And you

908
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:05.320
know what, you can't take that back. But that's a

909
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:09.000
crazy story too, because like you, our friend Alex was

910
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:14.760
telling us that story with Tyler's wife and you could

911
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:18.760
see she started like to almost cry because her boss

912
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:21.519
had told her the exact same thing, like seeing this

913
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:24.679
woman down the hall and they're not they're not friends.

914
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:27.440
But it's just like he no longer gets to live

915
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.639
in existence not believing something after life, even if it's

916
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.599
not the way that it's perceived by some people. You know,

917
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.119
it's like it like there's it's not in a box

918
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:39.239
like we were talking about earlier. It's not narrowed down. But

919
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:42.280
I feel like once you have an experience, unless you're

920
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:44.519
in such denial, you don't get to live with the

921
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:48.119
ignorance of like there's probably no such thing as goes,

922
00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:49.480
there's probably nothing after right.

923
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.840
I agree, it's like there's one. But it's like you

924
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:58.480
once you rip that that band aid off the wound,

925
00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:02.840
right it it opens to all of it. Unfortunately, like

926
00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:06.559
this this podcast started as a as a sasquatch podcast,

927
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.960
right because I was, you know, going to be the guy.

928
00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:14.360
I was gonna be the one right that that made

929
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:16.880
it real and found it and the whole thing, and

930
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:19.639
and then you realize, oh my god, this is way bigger,

931
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:23.880
Like you know, I mean that there's a huge difference,

932
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:27.119
and we all say it like when you say believing

933
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:31.440
or like bizarre, what are you really measuring? What are

934
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:37.280
we measuring? Are we measuring evidence, gut feelings, consistency? What

935
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:41.320
are you actually measuring? Right? And And the bottom line

936
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:45.920
is there's a difference between I will admit that I

937
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:49.760
am a and I call myself a knower or an

938
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:54.960
experiencer because I've I've had multiples and until you just

939
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:00.880
like admit it to yourself or like your real with yourself,

940
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:02.960
like looking in the mirror and going there's some weird

941
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:09.360
shit going on out there. It can be bizarre since you.

942
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:11.639
Know, yeah, but would you want to live in a

943
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:14.440
world like like you go through it more than we

944
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:16.679
go through We've already established that you pray before every

945
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:18.880
episode you have things happen if you don't, like, we

946
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:21.719
can tell ghost story and then go on with our day.

947
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:26.159
And but there's some times where it's like, and I

948
00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:29.840
truly hate saying this, but there are times where it's

949
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:35.840
like wake up, work, pay my bills, go grocery shopping,

950
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:40.880
we're recording tonight content, you know what I mean. And

951
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:44.239
it's like it's it's it's uh, sometimes I need it, really.

952
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:46.440
I try to make myself more present for these episodes

953
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:47.760
like that. Those are the times where we turn the

954
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:50.119
lights off, which we can't do any work video, damn it.

955
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:53.119
But you know it's like sometimes I have to remind

956
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:56.920
myself to step back and it's like, these things happen,

957
00:48:57.079 --> 00:48:59.599
these are real. This this is a story about something

958
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:02.800
with steer that makes our world feel bigger than it is.

959
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:05.880
It's not just content, but I think so many people

960
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:07.880
and myself included, you get caught up in the grind

961
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:12.920
of life that it can be really refreshing to remind

962
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.360
yourself to step back and think about these things. Think

963
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:18.320
about these some of them are very scary, and obviously

964
00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:22.519
with demons it's you know, bad. But when you you know,

965
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:27.000
if somebody sees a UFO or something, you know that

966
00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:29.440
just adds a little bit more to this world, then

967
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:32.599
I gotta I get paid tomorrow. And then the brant

968
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:33.320
comes out, and.

969
00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:37.639
Right, it's it breaks up the monotony, right, yes, yeah,

970
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:41.360
for sure, but I think you have to be open

971
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:48.880
to it obviously. So I mean, yeah, so.

972
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:52.280
I got the dead bull off, but my handle, my

973
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:55.440
knob is still still a little locks right, right, trying

974
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:56.400
to invite stuff in.

975
00:49:56.599 --> 00:49:59.840
No, no, right, absolutely for sure.

976
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:02.239
Oh you know I was gonna ask you. Sorry, I'm

977
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:05.199
not trying to derail. But as you said, you were

978
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:08.840
starting out Bigfoot. Do you believe that Bigfoot is interdimensional?

979
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:13.480
I do? Yeah, well I lean that way just because

980
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:20.400
here's the thing, you're uh, I'm pretty agnostic about everything,

981
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:26.480
meaning I'm not a dogmatic person. I'm just not. And

982
00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:30.920
and at the end of the day, I'm open to

983
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:35.159
all evidence coming out, you know, like, give it to me,

984
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:37.039
tell me what it is, and I will make my

985
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.960
own decision. Right, I'm not a cheap I'm not a

986
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:44.360
I never have been, I never will be. So with

987
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:51.079
that being said, I definitely, I definitely am open to

988
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:53.440
all of it. You Know, there's times I've been like, man,

989
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:56.039
this is flesh and blood, and then there's other times

990
00:50:56.079 --> 00:51:01.480
I'm like, well, some crazy shit just happened, and uh,

991
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:04.000
there's no way it's flesh and blood, you know, or

992
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:08.079
it's flesh and blood but it's got magical powers. Yeah,

993
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:11.280
you know, like I've I've had the whole gamut of

994
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:17.679
of uh experience, is that I can't say it's just

995
00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:20.360
that I just can't say it's flesh and blood. So

996
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:22.400
in turn, the way I look at it is that

997
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:26.360
if Bigfoot isn't flesh and blood, or if it's if

998
00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:31.800
it's you know, open to interpretation, then it all is Yeah.

999
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.119
Yeah, we had we had a story.

1000
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:35.960
I honestly I can't remember someone sent it to us

1001
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.679
or if it was frown online, but it's like somebody

1002
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:43.480
was hiking and they like accidentally stumbled through a Bigfoot portal.

1003
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:46.000
Do you remember that story?

1004
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:48.920
Yeah, that's from the Bigfoot episode. Yeah, Kimemer it was

1005
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:52.159
it was talking about the interdimensionality of Bigfoot. But it's

1006
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.400
like somebody just like was like in it and then

1007
00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:59.280
they quickly pulled themselves out of it. I can't speak

1008
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:01.519
more intelligently about it. It was just like years ago that

1009
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:06.440
we told that story. But hearing that, yes, it's like whoa.

1010
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:10.880
Yeah, yeah, and but people are really uh, I mean,

1011
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:16.320
you know, unfortunately you've got it's it's like everything though, right,

1012
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:18.960
You've got these people that draw the line in the

1013
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:26.559
sand because there's money at stake, and there's ego gets involved,

1014
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:33.119
as we you know, because people people which they do

1015
00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:36.639
it with everything. It's not just cryptids or paranormal or

1016
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:42.440
it's in everything in life. People attach their identity to it.

1017
00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:48.239
And when when people do that, it's usually not a

1018
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:52.480
good thing. So especially when someone comes through trying to

1019
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:57.599
crash her, because now it's you're you're assaulting my entire identity.

1020
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:03.440
Yeah, I probably lean more like there's probably more things

1021
00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:07.000
I should take a harder stand on. I tend to

1022
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:12.079
lean more ambiguous, more wishy washy, and like, you know, I.

1023
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:14.960
Mean know what, that's freaking perfectly fine. Man.

1024
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:19.480
I think I say my tribalism for Cleveland Sports and

1025
00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:21.400
it's right, takes up enough of it.

1026
00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:23.280
Everything else is gray area.

1027
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:26.400
But yeah, I used to be a pretty big Indians fan.

1028
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:30.599
Yeah yeah, like in the back in the day.

1029
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:33.920
Well, I went to high school with Charles Naggie.

1030
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:36.199
Mm hmm, great picture.

1031
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:39.320
Yeah, so great picture. He was a he was a

1032
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:43.920
you know, I know I knew him for years. So yeah. Still,

1033
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:49.159
I remember I lived in New York when they played yuh,

1034
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:52.320
when the Yankees and the Indians were playing in the

1035
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:59.239
it wasn't the World Series DS whenever those, Yeah, it

1036
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:02.280
was the so but I just remember it was it

1037
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:10.199
was amazing being that that's games anyway. Ye, So has

1038
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:12.280
there ever been I'm sure there has been, But it's

1039
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:15.880
there ever been an episode where you guys like disagreed

1040
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:18.639
strongly on a final verdict.

1041
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:27.320
Gosh, I'm sure there are maybe fairies because I mean

1042
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:29.079
you still had a heart or still had a heart

1043
00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:32.440
and past about that, because I believe in them deeply.

1044
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:37.440
Yeah, fairies are just something that I'm not.

1045
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:42.840
You're gonna get pants by a fair one. No, I'm

1046
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:48.480
gonna I'm gonna give you a little They're like, how

1047
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:53.079
do I want to say this? Entertainers that I look

1048
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:56.679
up to that. I've been able to learn behind the scenes.

1049
00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:00.920
I've seen things were on their show they lean into something,

1050
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:04.079
even if in the real life they're like, you know,

1051
00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:06.400
it is what it is, but on the show they

1052
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:10.199
lean into it. And so like Charlie has been dubbed

1053
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:14.159
the lover of history and the lover of fairies, and

1054
00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:16.000
it's like it's a no, and I'm like the big

1055
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:19.599
Cleveland sports guy, and so it's known like, oh, Tyler

1056
00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:23.920
hates History episodes, Tyler hates Faye, and I lean into

1057
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:27.639
that because the entertainment aspect of it, and being very honest,

1058
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:30.199
I don't truly believe in Faye that much, but I

1059
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:33.079
definitely lean more into it in not being real for

1060
00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:37.119
entertainment value. But I feel like we've also we've had

1061
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:40.880
some like either ghost or alien things where we've gone

1062
00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:43.840
there's nothing like jumping out of me, but I can

1063
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:47.679
there are times where, yeah, we don't always agree.

1064
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:50.519
I think it's not sometimes it's not like what it is,

1065
00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:51.800
it's whether or not it's real.

1066
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:54.639
Like he might go believable on something and I'll go skeptical,

1067
00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:57.400
or I'll go viable and he'll go unbelievable and we'll

1068
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:00.360
have those moments of like, you know, I don't you

1069
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:02.480
think this is true? And well, I think it was this.

1070
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:04.960
I think this is what happened, that's why, or like

1071
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:07.840
sometimes we'll sway each other, you know, like you'll be

1072
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:10.280
telling a story and as you're telling, you think is believable,

1073
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:13.760
and then the other co hosts will completely blow it

1074
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:15.679
up based on this one detail that the other person

1075
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:17.239
didn't think of, and you're.

1076
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:18.719
Like, damn, I was gonna go believable on.

1077
00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:22.960
That, but I guess I'm going skeptical now. The convenience

1078
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:26.119
is that we both with all these other little things,

1079
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:28.360
we both very much believe in aliens and very much

1080
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:31.000
believe in ghosts. So as long as somebody doesn't send

1081
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:36.440
us a story where it's just like so so outwardly

1082
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:39.760
hard to believe, we typically align in that.

1083
00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:47.920
But there's anything that you've labeled, right, whether it's skeptical.

1084
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:53.400
Or like unbelievable or something like that has.

1085
00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:55.760
Later made you reconsider.

1086
00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:02.119
O, uh, yeah, we do this just like serious. It's

1087
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:07.119
like throwback episodes. We've been revisiting older episodes and the

1088
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:11.280
woman just did recently. I went skeptical when we first

1089
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:14.440
did it, but I went believable, not dear.

1090
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:15.719
Yeah, I'm still low on it.

1091
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:20.559
Yeah yeah, yeah, I haven't. I haven't experienced that, but dude,

1092
00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:22.719
it kind of freaks me out. It's one of those

1093
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:31.920
ones where I'm like, like, I don't know, they're very eerie. Yeah, definitely.

1094
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:35.880
Do you guys think that we're living in a time

1095
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:42.679
where like more things are happening like the veils, The

1096
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:46.840
veil feels thinner. I don't think use let's use the language.

1097
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:48.559
The veil feels thinner.

1098
00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:51.239
I feel like it's always been this, It's always.

1099
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:57.360
Been Yeah, maybe less so because of modern technology. I

1100
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:01.559
feel like, uh, if you look at like The Crucible, right,

1101
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:04.719
they talk about the forest as if it is actually

1102
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:09.679
magic lives in the forest and you didn't go there

1103
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:12.480
because it would have destroyed you. Because that's where the

1104
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:13.400
witches lived.

1105
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:17.079
And I feel like because of that, there was more

1106
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:20.039
energy given to those kinds of entities creatures, and that's

1107
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:25.039
where and all these things came from older cultures, right,

1108
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:28.280
And because of that, because there's so much stock and

1109
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:33.800
feeding it like that, Yeah, there's more energy blossoming from it.

1110
00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:37.000
But you can go on the internet today and see

1111
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:40.559
an aid fake and it just kills every belief you

1112
00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:40.960
have in it.

1113
00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:45.719
Yeah, I would say, I don't think anything with the

1114
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:46.840
Veil has changed.

1115
00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:48.519
I think people.

1116
00:58:48.199 --> 00:58:53.559
Are We're the most distracted I think we've ever been.

1117
00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:56.519
I've only lived, and I've only lived for thirty four years,

1118
00:58:56.519 --> 00:58:59.159
so I can't speak, you know, right beyond that.

1119
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:00.599
But I mean, the.

1120
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:03.880
Hustle culture that we're in right now is so intense,

1121
00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:07.840
and it's so no one has time to go experience

1122
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:11.599
things themselves, and they're not gonna believe it online like

1123
00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:15.199
they used to because AI is taken over. So I

1124
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:18.360
don't think people are getting those experiences themselves unless you

1125
00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:21.119
live in a haunted house. But you know, I don't

1126
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:23.760
think people are going out and having experiences. And I

1127
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:27.280
don't think I think when anybody sees any video or

1128
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:31.400
any footage or pictures online, the initial instinct is that's

1129
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:34.400
probably so easy to go at this AI. But I

1130
00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:36.480
do think people believe, Like, I don't think there's I

1131
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:40.480
don't think there's any stigma to believing in this stuff,

1132
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:41.079
which I.

1133
00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:43.199
Feel like definitely light way less.

1134
00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:45.760
Yeah, Like I feel like from what I've read and

1135
00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:48.559
what I've seen in like sixties seventies, you know, like,

1136
00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:51.039
how many alien stories do you hear? People are like

1137
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:53.679
I didn't come out until years later because I didn't

1138
00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:56.079
want my town to think I was crazy. Now I

1139
00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:58.800
feel like people be like, whoa you want to be

1140
00:59:58.800 --> 00:59:59.519
in my podcast?

1141
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:03.159
Everybody's got a freaking podcast.

1142
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:05.880
Good has ever happened to a person that has come

1143
01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:08.400
out and said I've seen an alien?

1144
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:10.760
I feel like there's no amount of money, they don't

1145
01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:13.880
make a lot of money. The life falls apart. I

1146
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:15.360
feel like it's never good for them.

1147
01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:19.119
Yeah, usually right, I would agree.

1148
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:23.760
I can't need one person. I can't eame one except

1149
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:25.239
for maybe Travis Walden.

1150
01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:30.800
Even that he was like tortured man. His whole life

1151
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:38.039
was just this tortured type of like existence. So yeah, yeah,

1152
01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:41.239
what what scares you more?

1153
01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:41.719
Uh?

1154
01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:45.239
The idea none of this is real or that it

1155
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:46.840
is that it all is.

1156
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:50.480
I can't accept that it's not real. I don't live

1157
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:53.960
in a world where it's not real. Yeah, I don't.

1158
01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:58.360
Some some of it has to be real. Therefore a

1159
01:00:58.360 --> 01:00:59.639
lot of it has to be real to me.

1160
01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:02.880
So the idea that.

1161
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:09.000
I feel like I've missed the question, which would be

1162
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:10.199
a scarier Yeah, I don't know.

1163
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:11.840
I guess it's scarier.

1164
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:13.920
Too to live in a world where it's not real

1165
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:15.480
because I can't accept that it's not.

1166
01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:19.480
Yeah, I think, yeah, I would agree. I mean the

1167
01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:22.760
part of life is like when not somehow like the grind,

1168
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:24.440
you know what I mean, It's like you gotta it's

1169
01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:27.239
so much more fun to imagine that there is weird

1170
01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:29.719
stuff out there. And even myself, I believe in aliens

1171
01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:33.039
and ghosts, there are low moments where I'm like, man,

1172
01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:35.400
that's not real, Like this stuff isn't real. It's just

1173
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:39.639
like taxes, bills were clock in, clock out, you know,

1174
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:42.719
And then it's so hard. I know, it sucks. And

1175
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:46.800
sometimes when you're when you're try and fit like skin

1176
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:49.199
walkers into that not that you know that's not a

1177
01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:53.639
good thing, but you know, a Freson eye crawler, you know,

1178
01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:56.119
like a Freson eye crawler, right, like that thing, like

1179
01:01:56.159 --> 01:02:02.000
imagining that thing like is real. And but also it's like,

1180
01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:07.599
you know, ghosts, if you're not a religious person, ghosts

1181
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:11.119
still give you somewhat of like when I die, this

1182
01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:14.400
isn't it. And if ghosts, if none of the paranormal

1183
01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:17.400
stuff is real, and you take the religious or spiritual

1184
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:19.800
aspect out of it then, I mean it is kind

1185
01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:23.239
of a harsh reality of like this is it, you know,

1186
01:02:23.639 --> 01:02:27.880
and it's it's funny because you could at the two

1187
01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:30.840
people going through different things in life. One could could

1188
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:33.880
say one could cope and say there's no such thing

1189
01:02:33.920 --> 01:02:37.000
as the paranormal and there's no scariness out there, and

1190
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:40.320
then the next person can have to cope and say, no,

1191
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:41.880
there is more than this, you.

1192
01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:47.880
Know, yeah for sure. Kind of wrapping things up a little,

1193
01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:52.880
what if something I don't know why this hot didn't had,

1194
01:02:52.960 --> 01:03:00.519
but if something truly supernatural showed up in your studio tonight,

1195
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:03.840
would you hit record or would you run?

1196
01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:04.599
Are you are?

1197
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:07.599
You're putting that out there? No, I'm just ship.

1198
01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:09.480
You gotta mail us a crystal or something if you

1199
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:14.320
do that, I don't know. Uh, well, can you give

1200
01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:16.360
us give us an example, like what what what do

1201
01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:17.559
we experience.

1202
01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:21.199
I mean, something truly supernatural? Like if if like uh,

1203
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:25.519
if all of a sudden, like you know, like the

1204
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:29.280
like the screen started flickering a little bit and then

1205
01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:30.639
it got cold.

1206
01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:33.599
It's already cold right now, we got our heat off.

1207
01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:36.239
But okay, okay, if something's you know what I mean,

1208
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:39.639
like I'll be honest, I have to come two completely

1209
01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:42.400
different reactions assuming I'm here with Charlie or if I

1210
01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:44.559
was here by myself. If I was here by myself,

1211
01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:46.960
I'm out. I mean there's times on this there's times

1212
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:49.000
in this hallway. I mean we watched horror movies here

1213
01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:52.840
before it, like yeah, but uh, if we were together,

1214
01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:56.039
I think I'd like to think I would get my

1215
01:03:56.119 --> 01:04:00.000
phone out and like try and hit record. I probably

1216
01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:01.440
I would probably go and freeze mode a little, like

1217
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:06.840
I probably like like hyper aware, like frozen, looking all around,

1218
01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:09.440
trying to say, like, is that it is it over?

1219
01:04:09.800 --> 01:04:10.800
Is there something else?

1220
01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:12.679
I try to record my phone by be out of

1221
01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:14.400
fucking storage.

1222
01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:19.000
Right right, I'd be deleting wonderful memories of my son.

1223
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:21.800
Yeah, my son's first son's first steps.

1224
01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:22.760
It is deleted.

1225
01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:24.719
I gotta catch this, like.

1226
01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:28.000
A teenage girl whose dad won't pay for like trigging

1227
01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:29.840
for my life.

1228
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:32.840
Brother, God damn, it's two ninety nine a month, dad.

1229
01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:37.559
Yeah, yeah, because that's me. I'm that guy. Just say.

1230
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:40.400
I would like to think that I would try and

1231
01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:44.000
capture it, but I would be genuinely scaredly I'm not

1232
01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.360
a hard ass, like I would be scared even if

1233
01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:47.039
I tried.

1234
01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:49.800
Like let's say, like an apparition appeared, like you have

1235
01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:52.960
to try, Oh my god, I will truly life changing.

1236
01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:53.400
I will.

1237
01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:56.320
It would be. I will say though, because we have many, many,

1238
01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:59.719
many stories that have been sent to us, and outside

1239
01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:03.719
of the monic or cryptid, like we're talking spiritual ghosts,

1240
01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:07.360
it's very rare that anyone gets injured, you know, like

1241
01:05:07.400 --> 01:05:11.679
it's it's even like poultry guys stories like we don't

1242
01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:14.599
get a lot of they threw something at me, or

1243
01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:17.199
I was scratched or I mean scratches might be like

1244
01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:20.119
the extent, but that's normally not just like shadow figure,

1245
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:22.079
but normally it's just like I saw this thing and

1246
01:05:22.119 --> 01:05:24.199
I got scared, or I heard my name or you know,

1247
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:27.119
like creepy things. But typically in our stories, people don't

1248
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:31.280
get injured. So I mean, I'm not that's probably gonna

1249
01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:33.360
be harder to convince myself if I see something right

1250
01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:33.880
in front of me.

1251
01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:37.239
Yeah, be the exception, not the rule.

1252
01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:41.440
But what So you bring up horror movies a lot.

1253
01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:44.599
What's your favorite what's your favorite hormone? Oh my goodness,

1254
01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:49.119
I like, is it like a like a like a

1255
01:05:49.239 --> 01:05:50.920
series or something no.

1256
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:53.840
I I I can look back at my time now

1257
01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:57.800
in life and see like my most impressionable years, like

1258
01:05:57.880 --> 01:06:00.000
on my video game side of my life, Like whatever

1259
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:02.199
was happening in my brain between like two thousand and

1260
01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:04.599
four and two thousand and six, it like stuck with

1261
01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:09.159
me because I'm like big on Resible four Gta San

1262
01:06:09.239 --> 01:06:12.639
Andreas and met Gisolid like three Snake Heater. But for

1263
01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:16.039
whatever reason, I feel like my most impressionable years of

1264
01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:19.159
life with movies is like twenty ten to twenty twelve

1265
01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:22.679
because I love The Conjuring, I love Insidious, and I

1266
01:06:22.719 --> 01:06:25.679
love Sinister and those all came out within like three

1267
01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:26.559
years of each other.

1268
01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:29.239
Yeah, those are really good movies too. My favorite I'm

1269
01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:32.119
old school man, so I go back to my favorite

1270
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:35.880
set of was the Evil Dead movies.

1271
01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:39.440
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Well do you like the remix

1272
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:40.079
at all?

1273
01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:44.400
I mean they're goofy, but they're okay, It's just not

1274
01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:45.400
as good to me.

1275
01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:48.199
Okay, you like the Bruce Campbell I do.

1276
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:50.480
I like Bruce Campbell a lot. I remember, I mean

1277
01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:54.519
he gets a little wacky later, but you know the

1278
01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:57.880
first two movies, Yeah, I had I pretty intense.

1279
01:06:57.880 --> 01:07:00.840
We're watching that our in our apartment in college and.

1280
01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:04.679
I I don't remember what point it was I I

1281
01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:05.199
walked out.

1282
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:06.800
I was like, guys, have a good night. I'm not

1283
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:07.360
watching this.

1284
01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:09.760
Yeah right, yeah, No.

1285
01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:11.880
Evil Dead's great. And then you find out like the

1286
01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:13.599
Shoe String budget it had.

1287
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:16.840
Oh god, yeah, but the first two movies especially, and

1288
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:19.519
then you know, you get weird with army and darkness.

1289
01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:23.840
It's funny, it's funny. And then Ash you know what

1290
01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:26.239
was the show that they had, like Ash of the

1291
01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:28.559
Dead or whatever the hell? You know, they kind of

1292
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:31.519
brought it back, but you know, the first two movies

1293
01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:33.920
aren't really like that. I mean they kind of are,

1294
01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:38.559
but dude, it gets deep. So is that is that

1295
01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:39.239
Sam Raimi?

1296
01:07:39.360 --> 01:07:40.079
Is he the director?

1297
01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:41.400
I think so? Yeah?

1298
01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:41.960
I think so too.

1299
01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:44.519
Spider Man, Spider Man yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah no,

1300
01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:45.039
Evil Dead?

1301
01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:45.320
Yeah.

1302
01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:49.480
I I like like the Freddy Krueger's and I'm are

1303
01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:51.679
on Elm Street Friday the thirteenth and.

1304
01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:52.519
Halloween and stuff.

1305
01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:55.800
But it's like, I like, I that wasn't quite my childhood,

1306
01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:58.000
and it's funny. I'm a nineties kid, so like Scream

1307
01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:01.840
actually hits me harder than those ones. But I appreciate

1308
01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:04.920
all of them. I'm not my probably hottest take. I'm

1309
01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:06.559
not a big fan of the alien movies.

1310
01:08:07.639 --> 01:08:11.239
Okay, I don't know why. I watch Hell a lot too.

1311
01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:12.280
That's hell.

1312
01:08:12.719 --> 01:08:14.920
No matter what age I watch Hell Razor, I feel

1313
01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:19.239
like I'm too young to watch it. I don't mean, yeah,

1314
01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:21.359
I don't mean that it's dated, but like I'm too young.

1315
01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:24.359
I just I just mean, like, I like that feeling

1316
01:08:24.399 --> 01:08:26.239
you got when you were like up late at night

1317
01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:29.239
and a scary movie was on and I just knew, like,

1318
01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:32.039
this is too intense, this is too real, like I

1319
01:08:32.079 --> 01:08:34.199
watched it. I was like almost eighteen when I watched

1320
01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:37.439
Hell Razor, and I just remember thinking, like, this is bad.

1321
01:08:37.520 --> 01:08:39.920
This is dark stuff, man, like this is the Senate

1322
01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:42.960
bites and stuff like yeah, something like I feel like

1323
01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:45.520
this is some people feel like Saw, like the Gore

1324
01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:49.039
stuff like Hew Razor has its score moments, but there's

1325
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:52.920
just something so like dark and evilish.

1326
01:08:52.399 --> 01:08:55.359
About it's all so implied and you're like, oh, I know,

1327
01:08:55.800 --> 01:08:57.399
I know, I get it.

1328
01:08:57.560 --> 01:09:01.039
Yeah, And it's just like I felt like, but it's

1329
01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:02.119
I mean, it did its job.

1330
01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:05.880
You definitely want to like cleanse yourself after you watch

1331
01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:12.239
those movies. Yeah, you're like, holy shit. All right. So

1332
01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:15.079
the name of the show is broadcasting seeds, and what

1333
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:18.720
I like to do is let the guests end the

1334
01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:24.359
episode with their own seed planting. So I'd like you

1335
01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:28.159
to plant some seeds in the audience's mind. It could

1336
01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:31.760
be about anything. It could be parenting advice, whatever. I'm

1337
01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:33.439
just saying, you know what I mean.

1338
01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:36.239
Don't show your child The Night of Living Dead at

1339
01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:36.960
age five?

1340
01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:42.079
The original one?

1341
01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:43.079
The original one?

1342
01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:43.720
Yeah, gotcha?

1343
01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:47.520
Black and white? Yeah, okay. This kind of goes to

1344
01:09:47.600 --> 01:09:49.600
something we were talking about earlier, and it can apply

1345
01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:51.079
to paranormal but doesn't have to.

1346
01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:53.800
And it can even be sports.

1347
01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:55.720
Because I have to do this from time to time,

1348
01:09:56.840 --> 01:09:59.960
I would say anyone who feels tribal I don't try.

1349
01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:02.199
Bailistic is a word, if anyone, I'll use it. If

1350
01:10:02.239 --> 01:10:08.239
anyone feels tribalistic about something, it's okay. It's okay to

1351
01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:13.399
question it, and it's okay to change your opinion with

1352
01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:17.119
new information no matter what it is. Don't your identity

1353
01:10:17.199 --> 01:10:19.199
is not in a belief you had ten years ago

1354
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:24.439
or a month ago, and it's it's yes, there'll be

1355
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:26.439
some people in your life that are like, oh, but

1356
01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:28.880
you always said this, and it's like, well, but then this,

1357
01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:32.319
You're allowed to change, You're allowed to grow. I would say,

1358
01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:33.880
look at all the areas in your life that you

1359
01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:40.359
feel tribalistic, even if it's sports, and question if it's

1360
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:42.000
the you know, just question it.

1361
01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:43.880
Absolutely.

1362
01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:53.039
Yeah, I would say, truthfully, I think that you and

1363
01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:54.520
everyone listening.

1364
01:10:56.760 --> 01:11:02.399
Should listen to the spirits around you. I thought you're

1365
01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:09.600
gonna say our podcast, well, here's a seed every Tuesday.

1366
01:11:10.439 --> 01:11:13.079
Sorry I interrupted, but he whispers that he's whispering.

1367
01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:16.279
So I truly do believe.

1368
01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:19.000
Like I said earlier, I truly believed in fairies, and

1369
01:11:19.159 --> 01:11:24.840
I think that listeners should embrace that as well. And

1370
01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:27.319
if there's something that they're missing or something that they

1371
01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:30.960
need help finding, that you should ask to Fay for

1372
01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:34.880
help and offer them a reward and it might happen.

1373
01:11:35.319 --> 01:11:37.960
It's not from a movie. I do believe in fairies.

1374
01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:42.359
Uh yeah, Peter Pan, I know.

1375
01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:46.720
I'm the father of four daughters. I know, Peter Pan.

1376
01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:53.600
Oh my god, I know tinker Bell even better. But yeah,

1377
01:11:53.840 --> 01:11:57.039
all right, guys, I really appreciate you coming on. I

1378
01:11:57.319 --> 01:11:58.720
think it's been a fun conversation.

1379
01:11:58.800 --> 01:11:59.680
Yeah, no, this was great.

1380
01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:02.479
We have for sure tell everybody where they can find

1381
01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:02.880
you again.

1382
01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:06.760
Uh, just search Believing the Bizarre wherever you listen.

1383
01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:10.159
If you listen on Spotify, Apple, I heart like watching

1384
01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:13.560
on YouTube. We work hard to try and show up.

1385
01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:16.119
If you at least search our name. Yeah, yeah, if

1386
01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:17.640
you search it, we will be there. Even if you

1387
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:19.760
search Believing in the Bizarre, there's probably a really good

1388
01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:23.439
chance it'll come up. Yeah. We interviewed one of Charlie's

1389
01:12:23.479 --> 01:12:25.439
heroes and one of the first things he's like, oh,

1390
01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:28.359
believing in the Bizarre, and I know a tiny part

1391
01:12:28.399 --> 01:12:29.199
of Charlie's heart.

1392
01:12:29.399 --> 01:12:32.159
It just shattered a little bit. I was very happy

1393
01:12:32.199 --> 01:12:32.800
he was still there.

1394
01:12:32.880 --> 01:12:35.680
So yeah, they say you should never meet your idols.

1395
01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:38.920
He was fantastic. Well, and all I could go up

1396
01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:40.319
after that moment. He was awesome.

1397
01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:42.279
No, it was a good it was a good time.

1398
01:12:42.439 --> 01:12:47.119
Awesome. Yeah, guys, thanks for coming on. I appreciate it.

1399
01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:49.119
It was fun. At some point, maybe we can do

1400
01:12:49.159 --> 01:12:49.479
it again.

1401
01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:52.039
Oh yeah, if.

1402
01:12:52.119 --> 01:12:55.920
You guys ever have anything going on, open invitation, let

1403
01:12:55.960 --> 01:12:57.920
me know. Sounds appreciate it, thank you.

1404
01:12:58.119 --> 01:12:59.880
Yeah, absolutely.

1405
01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:07.000
Sure.

1406
01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:23.960
I'm studying the signal so breaking through fo She's in

1407
01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:29.479
the silence saying this is big, say so the son

1408
01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:32.359
look so question the frame, but the cracks in the

1409
01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:36.159
system keep calling my name in the middle, shoes in

1410
01:13:36.239 --> 01:13:38.119
the skies, maybe feeling inside.

1411
01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:39.640
But she's all, it's a lot.

1412
01:13:40.159 --> 01:13:44.760
It's so right, and the night dam the town.

1413
01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:45.279
And the Master.

1414
01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:51.159
It's something the rail, there's something move and through the

1415
01:13:51.199 --> 01:13:56.960
veil by the way. But the same, says the out day.

1416
01:13:57.520 --> 01:13:59.600
If that's wild away, can't.

1417
01:13:59.439 --> 01:14:08.359
Say that, Wise, it's staring shat man stories in the

1418
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:11.399
dark and nobody believes. So it happens to you and

1419
01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:15.560
your funny nies laughing away say you're losing your mind.

1420
01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:17.439
But the truth it's different.

1421
01:14:17.119 --> 01:14:20.520
When you're rather inside bury the moment.

1422
01:14:21.319 --> 01:14:22.560
Pretend it's not there.

1423
01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:31.840
It's so finn watch, that's fully away, so right as

1424
01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:35.680
the nice they make the doubt it's the Master ride.

1425
01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:40.680
If that's a fake, then wise stop this moment, grown

1426
01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:47.720
up right away, what happens take a shaduta. If this

1427
01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:51.199
world's away, can't say the wise, it's staring.

1428
01:14:52.079 --> 01:14:54.399
Can maybe we will.

1429
01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:55.560
Never mention know.

1430
01:14:56.319 --> 01:14:58.600
Maybe it's just the thing they had the most.

1431
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:01.479
You can run, but you cannot see.

1432
01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:03.399
What's been burned into the.

1433
01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:17.119
Sci is not there, says bag says bag last, what's so.

1434
01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:20.039
Feeling so chill?

1435
01:15:22.319 --> 01:15:28.520
The dummy blow again way ride the noise thing that

1436
01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:33.640
hain't no more. They're no master I've seen I said.

1437
01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:39.319
No, it's real something flaving what a way? Way, won't

1438
01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:44.439
go back now. Riding brought the drop, didn't well, not

1439
01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:52.039
want it seemed, and made me a wealthy way you

1440
01:15:52.159 --> 01:16:00.199
can joll jo da

1441
01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:03.720
H