April 21, 2026

Ayahuasca Visions Decoded: Messages from Another Dimension

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Ayahuasca Visions Decoded: Messages from Another Dimension
Ayahuasca Visions Decoded: Messages from Another Dimension
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Join Bennett Tanton and Sam Believe from the Ayahuasca Podcast as they explore the transformative power of ayahuasca, its spiritual and psychological impacts, and the profound experiences that connect us to the unseen world. Discover how plant medicines can expand consciousness, heal trauma, and reveal the deeper layers of reality.

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Told me like, no, you're not actually allergic to cats,

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and told me the story that my grandfather killed the

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cat and that I need to apologize to all the

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cats through this cats, through this cat, which I did,

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and then it's sad. You have to go back home

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and you have to adopt the cat, which I did,

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and ever since that, I had plenty of cats and

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I never had allergies, so my allergy was killed just

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like this, playing truth.

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In the minds of the.

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Hey, everybody, welcome back to another episode of Broadcasting Seeds.

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I am your host Bennett Tantan, and today we have

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Sam Believe from i Ahohwaska podcast. But Sam, for those

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people that don't know you, tell people who you are,

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what you do and where people can find you.

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So first of all, thanks for having me on the show.

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My name is Sam and I am originally from Latvia.

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I've been living in Columbia now for nine years where

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I started Lauira which currently is the best rated Aaoaska

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retreat in South America, where we've given Auska now the

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close to three thousand people. And as you said, I

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run Ahuasca Podcast where I educate people about everything I

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Waska and psychedelics related. In my past life, I was

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an engineer working off showing guests. It was never like

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if you'd ask me ten years ago what I would

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do ten years from now, I would never expect that

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because I didn't know where Columbia was on the map,

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I didn't speak Spanish, and I didn't know what aauasca was.

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And I've never taken any drugs because back then I

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believe it was a drug. So that's kind of a

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bit of summary. And now I live here in Colombia,

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in Colombian countryside. I have three small kids, one three

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and five, and I'm very passionate about plant medicines and

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educating people about them.

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Yeah. So yeah, your journey is pretty unique. What led

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you from your previous career into this world.

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So the short story is to sum it up as

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just unending line sequence of synchronicities, you know, serendipities, chance

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events where it almost feels like I'm following the trail

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of breadcrumbs. Right, people write information, right, events come one

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after another. But in short, when I first came to Columbia,

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I just love this. I love the country. I traveled

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through South America. Eventually I came back again during my travels,

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I would hear a lot about Ahauaska, and eventually, when

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I settled down in Columbia slightly before COVID began, I

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felt that calling to Ahuaska, and different people describe it definitely,

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but it almost feels like you're an ecro chamber and

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all you hear about is Awuaska. And then synchronicity presented

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itself and I had a chance of opportunity to participate

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in the retreat, and I not to retreat, but more

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like a stand alone ceremony, which I did. I didn't

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think much of it back then, but it started changing

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my life gradually, Like I went from never believing myself

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to just believing in myself for no particular reason. I

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just started setting big goals and going towards them and

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actually achieving them. But long story short, when COVID started,

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I got really depressed because I was in between my

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off showing gus profession and not really knowing what to

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do future. It was before I organized any ceremonies or

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something like that, and I went back to Aauaska to

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help me heal with a very serious intention, and it

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started lifting the fog. A couple weeks at a time,

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a month at a time, giving me space to breathe,

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giving me space to learn new things and try new things.

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And eventually I really wanted to go to the jungle.

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Unexplainably so I've never been to jungle before, and I

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was looking for someone to take me there. And then

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a guy messaged me on Facebook and he's like, so

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I was. I had a property where I was renting

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some rooms and I was promoting it on Facebook and

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he messaged me and he said, can I rent your

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property to do an ayauska ceremony, which for me was

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huge syncrosity because I had to travel very far away

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to do it. And then as he came, he said,

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I love this place. We're going to do it, but

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first we're going to the jungle. When we come back,

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then we'll do it. And I was once again I

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asked him to join. I ended up going to the

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jungle and there in the jungle, I had a message

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from the medicine were It was more complex than that,

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but to sum it up, it basically told me, your

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purpose that you're looking for is this? I ask it

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your purpose and it basically told me that I can

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heal people. And it told me that if I don't

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do it, I will never be happy, Like, this is

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your path, you do it if you don't do it.

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And I followed that path and ever since then, it's

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always synchronicities. It's always coincidences. Something seems to be guiding

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me on some path and helping me, which is really

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strange for me to explain, and still as a skeptic

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and as an engineer in a past and coming from

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a very non religious background, it's strange to admit. But

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I just have no doubt anymore, you know, even from

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a very scientific point of view and of one. I

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could outline all of the things that happened to me,

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and you just can't deny that there is some kind

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of support, invisible support.

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Something's going on there, right, Yeah.

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Yeah, So for someone who's never experienced ayahuasca, how would

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you describe what that journey is like?

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So it depends on where you do it in the

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perfect world, and I would outline the way we do

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things here at the Warra, But it would start with

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preparation where you would sign up for the retreat and

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they would vet you medically, make sure you are eligible

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to partake, and then they would guide you through preparation

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some form of online course to get ready to understand

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what's going to happen and how to navigate that experience.

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Then you would come to the retreat and there would

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be a group of loving facilitators. It will be a

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beautiful safe space for you to be at. And then

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you would once again get some more training, and then

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you would get to know the group, do some wart circles,

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get really cozy in the space, and then in the

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evening you would come to the ceremony space where you

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would come to the altar and the shaman would look

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you in the eyes and then pour you a cup

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off this thick, viscous liquid, not the most pleasant tasting,

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and then you drink it and you lie down your

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metro so you stood by the fire. And then you'd

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go through a psychedelic experience where you would see past,

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see future, see your traumas, see your past life, meet God,

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go to another planet or anything in between. And it

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would be accompanied by purging, vomiting or diarrhea, and not

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all the time, but you might purge once or twice

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whichever and sometime both. We call that double trouble. Most

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of the time one or the other, but you would

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see things that would be meaningful to you, and the

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next day you would be in a wort circle and

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you would journal about You would integrate that experience and

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hopefully bring some of those lessons back to your day

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to day life and understand that maybe something needs to

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be changed or improved. And I WAS could give you homework.

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Different people have different experiences as well, like to say,

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is I WAS always gives you what you need, but

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it barely gives you what you want. So we encourage

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people to have an intention when they come to the retreat,

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so they have a reason why they're there. But a

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lot of times I WAS coll take you somewhere else.

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And there's honestly so much variety it almost feels like

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a thousand different medicines at once. For example, I'll outline

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my first experience. My first experience was very visual. It

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was very much about the mystery. For some reason, I

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was shown things about ancient Egypt and pyramids, and it's like,

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not really what you expect to see in the Amazonian jungle,

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but there was something in.

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It for me.

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And a lot of the things that happened they are

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actually unconscious, so you might get healing without even knowing

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you had one. Sometimes people even feel nothing at all

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and they come back home and their lives change, their

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addictions sort of drop off. But in most cases it

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requires you coming, drinking the medicine, going through the journey,

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and then going back home and actually doing the work

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where you implement all of the knowledge that you pick up.

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But like our moto for example, is connect, heal, grow,

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And it's because first you come, you connect with the medicine,

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with the group, with the universe, with God, with nature.

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Then you heal physically, mentally, spiritually, and then you grow.

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And then growth can include anything from getting creative and

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coming up with new business ideas to you know, meeting

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God or exploring the secrets of the universe. So we

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like to focus people heavily on the healing part because

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I believe this is the most pending in our current society.

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You know, so many people on enter the presence and

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mental health crisis. But the spirituality is an inevitable part

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of Ayahuaska or any work with psychedels eventually come to

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them to those realizations and which I think is very

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important healing as well.

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Yeah, absolutely, what are some of them? I would say,

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what are some of the more meaningful experiences that you've

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witnessed people.

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Have, I mean, very common ones are somebody comes and

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they you know, they've been feeling somewhat strange their entire life.

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They don't know what's wrong with them, but they're never

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really happy. And then they would drink the medicine and

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they would remember an event or trauma that caused them

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to be the way they are. And then they through

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the medicine and also then through therapy or different forms

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of integration, they process it and their life just improves

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and they become happier, healthier person. Sometimes people come and

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they have a specific addiction and then they go back

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and the addiction just no longer calls them. They no

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longer want to drink, they no longer want.

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To take drugs.

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I've had people quit everything from cocaine to weed. Not

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always it's just that easy. Sometimes it requires a lot

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of work. Or sometimes you have a person coming and

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they and you know, they have beautiful experience, and then

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they go back home. And then they come back a

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year later and they said, ever since I left, I

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started the business, and I ran the marathon, and I

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wrote a book, and like things just changed and they

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something unlocked in them, or sometimes somebody comes with the

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physical ailment like the risis or autoimmune issues and a

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lot of disease that's called by that's caused by an

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emotional underlying emotional issue. They just sort of start unwrapping

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and people get healed and they feel better, relationships improve.

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It's not always a linear path, and a lot of

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times it's like two steps forward, one step back. But yeah,

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I've seen them. I mean, I've had at least a

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couple of hinded people tell me that we've changed their

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life and they're very grateful, So it is it is

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very meaningful. Or sometimes people tell me after the retreat

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that actually they bought a one way ticket and they

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said that if this doesn't going to work for them,

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they were going to kill themselves, right, and they're all

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still alive because I ask is a powerful tool. Right,

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So it very quickly shows you, you know, what life

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is all about and how much beauty there is. So yeah,

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it's pretty pretty meaningful work.

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Yeah.

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So do you see this more as I guess the

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word psychological spiritual or something that blends both.

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Yeah, So the reality is as I say, it's like

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it's a title and it has so many different facets.

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It's like a Swiss knife and like, oh, let me

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work on this emotional issue or let me go and

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explore spirituality or feel the spirit of the plant, and

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all of that isn't the same thing. And it depending

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on sort of which frequency you tune into or what

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it is that is most pending for you can take

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you on. I mean I've had that, I ask you

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more than angry times, and I've never had the same

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experience twice. Sometimes it's very DMT, like sometimes it feels

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like you're in the mushrooms, and sometimes it feels like

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whatever psychedelic I've never tried before, So it does feel

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like hungered psychedelics in one. But I think it's a blend.

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is kind of probably not really accurate because in the end,

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when you go deeper and trying to understand how the

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brain works, those lines blur and you start yeah, like

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asking words, what is going where is it coming from?

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up to debate. But whatever it is and whatever the

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mechanism is, what I do know is that it works

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because people ask me like, oh, like, who is that

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giving me those messages? Is it a plant? Spirit? Am

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I talking to God? Am I talking to your subconscious?

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And I don't know, but like whatever the information you

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get tends to be useful and then your life improves afterwards.

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So that's kind of what matters.

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Yeah, so it's safe to say your perspective on reality

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or consciousness has changed since you got into the space.

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Yeah, I've been I've been revamping my worldview over and

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over again, depending like things happen. I'm like, okay, I

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need to revise it again. I went from being an

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engineer from a secular country, meaning like Latvia used to

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be part of Soviet Union. Religion was prohibited in Soviet Union.

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Like the only mention of God I.

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Would hear would be when something falls on your feet

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and you like swear you know, or you know, like

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oh my God, kind of kind of concept. But there

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was not there was no religion. And so for me

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to go from being an engineer and not believe in anything,

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like when I first drank I ask, I thought like

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I'm going to take it and it's going to enhance

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neuroplasticity in my brain. And West had my neurotransmitters, which

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probably does as well. And now I talk about things

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like synchronicities or spirits or entities or you know, I

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sow enough now to undoubtedly say we're not just meat, sex,

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living eating time. And I now my current worldview includes

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I don't believe we're just here for one time. I

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think we are the souls that come here over and

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over again to learn something and then we go back again.

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And I believe in this. I believe that we're all connected.

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I believe that Earth is not just a rock, but

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it's more of a living organism. I believe that, you know,

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different people can see the same thing at the same

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time or communicate in distance, and I've seen undoubtedly.

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Proof of that. Yeah.

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So I'm not just saying all those things that like, oh,

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this is my belief system and I believe it, but

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it comes from actual experience and then made me change

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my beliefs because the way we operate at my retreat

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is we don't tell people what to believe in. We

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tell them this is what you do and this is

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how to do it best. But then the information comes

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from the medicine and the mount of time I've had

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people drink the medicine from different countries, different languages, drink

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the medicine, come back with same messages. You start forming

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patterns together with the information that I myself seen directly

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through the medicine.

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So with something that's this powerful, I imagine preparation matters.

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So what does that look like? Not just preparation like

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in the medicine, but preparation for like.

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The person.

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Yeah, so you know, I've recently been interviewing someone and

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they talked about the mk Ultra experiment and like how

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CIA gave psychedelics to people and then observe them right,

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And it's like, imagine you just all of a sudden,

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you're starting to lose your mind. You're going to freak out.

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you probably are not going to expect to have a

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nice experience. At the same time, even if you just

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tell them you're going to get this psychedelic and you're

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going to feel a certain way, don't freak out, look

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around and joy the nature. Just that difference, like a

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one minute preparation is going to make.

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A huge difference.

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But at the same time, with something as complex as

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I Aska like our preparation includes a three hour video

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course and then a long form you have to fill

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where we you know, tell you like is Aawaska even

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a good option for you or not? And then when

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people come there's a sharing circles. There is two different workshops.

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So total, I would say it's about at least ten

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hours of preparation because most importantly, we try to put

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you in a place where you are at ease with

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your environment and you have a set of tools to

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navigate that experience. For example, what to do if I

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start freaking out, like how to ground yourself, how to

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use breathe, what to focus and what not to focus in,

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what to how not to resist, how to let go,

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and yeah, I will I will need an entire episode

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to kind of go through through our workshop. But yeah,

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for people, I'm gonna plug it in with your permission.

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For people that are they want to see the video

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course that we do, you can see it for free

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at aahuasca course dot com. Come check it out and

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you'll see exactly what we're talking about. But there is

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a lot. It's a deep topic and as you start,

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because we see so many people going through those experiences

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and we have their questions and we answer them. We

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kind of were able to build a pretty complete curriculum

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for people.

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Yeah, because I can imagine feeling safe and supported during

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that experience is key, right.

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Yeah, absolutely, I mean preparation is only a part. Right,

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Then you also have to be you have to feel

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safe in your environment. You have to the place have

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to be safe to begin with, like very low sharp corners,

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no staircases, white passages so you don't just hit yourself

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and nothing to cut yourself with or burn yourself with.

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But also time, it helps.

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To be surrounded by nature. It helps to be surrounded

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by a group of very loving facilitators, knowing that there

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is a shaman in the space who comes from a

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long lineage of shamans and know exactly what you're doing.

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All of that together creates a plus. That preparation creates

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an environment in which people can like we're able to

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have people have this difficult experience but consistently come out

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of it with very positive outcomes.

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So what do you why do you think more people

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are becoming interested in this right now? Because you're this

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is just I never knew that there than anyone doing

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this in Colombia. Because you always hear of Peru or

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other places, right, But why do you think more people

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are becoming interested in this right now?

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So first interesting fact about Colombia is that aauasca is

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as traditional to Colombia as it is to Peru, and

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actually used to be even more known in the world

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than Peru. For example, ethnobotanist like Richard Evan Shulties, he

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went to study aluasca in Colombia. And Dennis McKenna and

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Terrence McKenna, when they looked went on their search for psychedelics,

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and I interviewed Dennis McKenna on my podcast. They went

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to Columbia as well. But what happened afterwards? Narcos happened

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and cocaine happened, and Colombia became unsafe to travel, and

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a lot of psychedelictorism actually went to Peru instead of Columbia.

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And it was a blessing and a curse. Curse because

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obviously nobody knows that it exists here in Columbia. But

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last thing is because it wasn't really overrun as perure

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and there's not like you can't really come here and

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buy auaska at the market. It's still controlled them is

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still very traditional. But why people are waking up and

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asking questions and looking for medicines is because look around,

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I mean, like our world is falling apart, right, There's

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issues on every side, wars, every third person is depressed

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or anxious. Something is just not right. And they you know,

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our trust in systems, our trust in governments, our trust

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in mainstream media, especially after COVID, and our trust and

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like big farm and medical establishment is just disappearing. So

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people are asking questions, if this doesn't work, then what does?

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And I have.

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Plenty of heads of hospitals coming here and drinking Auaska

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because their own system failed them. Like you can't seem

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to heal depression with antidepressants, and everything seems to be

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designed to only people up and continue making money. And

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then you keep prescribing, prescribing them in one and to

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treat the side effects, and then you people end up

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with a huge list of medicine they take every day,

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treating side effects of side effects of side effects, and

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so yeah, I guess people are just waking up, and

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thanks to Internet as well, they're like, well, there must

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be something else, and then they find stories of people

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that work with plant medicines and I'm not saying that

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ahauska is going to fix all your problems. I'm still

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a big believer in combining it with therapy and other modalities.

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But all of a sudden, people get relatively notably quick

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results and the world is spreading. That's what I think

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is happening, and I believe it's a great thing, because

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I wish we lived in a society where yesterday everyone

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had Ahuaska, and then people would be much nicer to

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each other, and maybe we would realize that we're all

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part of the same. Maybe it'd stop trying to kill

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each other all the time, or be so angry at

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each other, or try to, you know, dog live in

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a dog eat dog world.

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Yeah, so what have you learned from indigenous traditions that

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have like really stuck with you.

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So there's this notion.

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For some reason, people think that indigenous people are still

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those they're they're like like wood elves. They just leave

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with the trees and they yea around bare feet and

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they're just like enlightened human beings. No, No, like they're

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actually humans. Not all of them are good, not all

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the Shamans are good. But I'm going to talk about

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the best of them. I'm at like my shaman, right,

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he's he comes from a linear job, seven generations of shamans,

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like his dad's a shaman, his dad's dad was a shaman,

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et cetera. And what I learned from him is like

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love for the nature, like how they how they still

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take care of their their land, how they you know.

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He always talks about concrete jungle and how unhealthy our

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life is and how disconnected we are from the nature.

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Obviously Aauaska talks teaches that a lot as well. He

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talks about like how we need to like treat our

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bodies as temples because we you know, this transporter and

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this body is the only one we have at least

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in this life, so we need to treat it well.

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And what you eat and the information you put in

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in it as well. Uh practically, yeah, they I like

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the way the simplicity with which they live and how

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little things they need to to be happy, you know.

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So those will be the main lessons. But indigenous people

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and shamans, I guess slightly different thing. But what I

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what I've learned and what I've observed in my shaman

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is like how complex the actual shamanism is, how hard

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it is to perceive, but how important it is too

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to have a real shaman with like very very deep

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psychedelic work, and how much shaman can do and in

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the ceremonial setting that's I guess that's that's the most

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That's what comes to mind.

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Yeah, So a lot of people that watch or listen

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to my show that my audience is really interested in

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spiritual growth and understanding like the unseen. So how do

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you think experiences like this can fit into that bigger picture?

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So I think that once again, there's many, many different

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routes to spirituality or awakening or nirvana. Some what's some savati,

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some sati, I don't know all the names, but like

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you can meditate your word to it, you can use yoga,

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you can use breath work. Some people just have random

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spontaneous awakening experiences. Aauaska and Plant Medicines is one of

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those routes. And if the analogy that I really like

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is if that spiritual experiences the top of the mountain,

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the mountain has different routes to.

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Get to the top of it.

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The way I see Auaska and Plant Medicines is large

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is like a helicopter. It takes you straight to the top.

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But there is like a clause in a contract that

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says that after a little bit of there, it's going

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to take you back to like second stage or like

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half the way back down, and then you need to

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find your way back, meaning that you will definitely experience

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very highly changed states of consciousness, and you might experience

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you know, presence of God or various things that people

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associate with those states, but then you will eventually go

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back to normal or you know, slightly improved. But I

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believe that the benefit of seeing that those states is

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that you can then sort of reverse engineer your way

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back to them sooner because at least you know what

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it is you're trying to achieve. But I think eventually

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our goal is to get there by ourselves. So for

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people that are working on, you know, being spiritually connected,

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eventually it's it's it's important to be able to get

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there without psychedelics. Am I answering your question?

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Oh? Yeah, absolutely.

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So you would also earlier you had brought up patterns

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that come from these experiences. Now when you say that,

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what do you mean, Like there's like people come back

471
00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:00.160
and there's every experience is different. I understand, but there's

472
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:05.440
probably parts of them that rhyme, So what are you

473
00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:06.200
seeing there?

474
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:15.359
So there are certain universal truths that people come back with,

475
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:22.119
and they might sound like platitudes, like it's just like

476
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:27.720
such an overused thing, like self love. People come back

477
00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:31.079
and they say, well, self love is really important, Like

478
00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:35.119
I felt self love, and no matter of how much

479
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:39.240
time I spent explaining it or how much books people read,

480
00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:43.119
unless you have the felt experience of self loves, you

481
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:47.759
will never understand it. And you can definitely many people

482
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:53.079
come back with that or things like God is within you.

483
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:54.799
It's like what is that?

484
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:55.200
Right?

485
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:56.799
And you can talk about it and you can read

486
00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:00.000
books about it. But through those planets medicines, you can

487
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.839
have a lived experience of God being within you, and

488
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:06.720
it changes you forever, because all of a sudden you

489
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:09.559
go You're like, what am I afraid of? Like if

490
00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:12.480
I die, I'm with God. If somebody I love dies

491
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:15.559
there with God. If I am in prison, and well,

492
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:17.839
God is still with me. It's like there's nothing really

493
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:22.559
that can ever disconnect you or destroy your soul. It's

494
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:27.119
it's immutable. So things like that, I'm blanking now, But

495
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:34.039
think of all the platitudes you hear those come back

496
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:37.240
as like truth, I used to have a list somewhere

497
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:40.039
with like seven or nine of them. Yeah, I wish

498
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:44.839
I recalled it, but yeah, it's it's about like everything

499
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:51.359
is love, right, Yeah, God is real, huge, Yeah, we're

500
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:57.720
all connected. It's another one, that notion of we are

501
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:03.559
a spiritual beings having a human experience over and over again.

502
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.079
It's funny how people describe those same things with different

503
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:09.920
analogies and different stories, but it points to the same way.

504
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.480
For example, somebody might say, oh, there's this spaceship and

505
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:15.799
we come down and we are aliens and we have

506
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:19.000
this experience and then we go back. Or somebody might say, oh,

507
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:22.559
it's like there's the soul and we get reincarnated, and

508
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:26.640
many different languages but describing the same situation. So those

509
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:30.240
are the ones that come up most often, and you

510
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:35.319
can't help but revaluate your view of the world. And

511
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:38.519
in my opinion, also like that last one right, that

512
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:43.559
we are eternal and this is just one of the

513
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:47.480
episodes in the show. Even if let's say I'm completely

514
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:49.960
wrong and all those people are wrong, it's still a

515
00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:52.839
more helpful way to live life than just thinking that

516
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:59.759
you're gonna die. And rot and disappear, and it's not

517
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:03.119
as a thing to to think and the way to

518
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:04.720
live your life. I mean, I mean, and if we

519
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:07.799
believe that that, we're probably going to be less nice

520
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.839
to other people around us because we we think like, oh,

521
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:12.400
it's just about this and I need to get the

522
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:14.799
most out of it and let me like Robin Steele,

523
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:15.839
just to be nice.

524
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:17.559
That's not what we're about.

525
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:23.440
No, So you've done this a lot, right, Can you

526
00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:28.480
walk me through one specific experience that really has stuck

527
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:32.319
with you?

528
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:37.720
Yeah, I've done I've done a lot of Viajuaska. I

529
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:39.559
can't really choose one. Let me let me talk about

530
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:44.720
let me think about our recent one. So no, let

531
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:47.039
me talk about the one that really changed my life, right,

532
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:50.680
the one that where the medicine gave me give me

533
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:54.119
the message. But so I was in the jungle and.

534
00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:54.599
I was.

535
00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:59.319
Drinking the medicine and as I as I, as I

536
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.039
took the cop and I connected to the medicine, I

537
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:04.680
kind of broke through. And it's like it's kind of

538
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.519
DMT like at some part parts. But I've never done DMT,

539
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:10.680
but I've interviewed twenty of people talking about DMT, like

540
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:15.160
the guy that connected us together. So I'm Adam, Butler

541
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:19.279
is his name. Yeah, I can't understand what It's like,

542
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:23.880
very visual and very like mechanical, and eventually there's like

543
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:27.720
different realms you go through, and I ended up at

544
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:31.039
this place where it was very mechanical. It was like

545
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:34.039
very like buzzing and machine like, and there was this

546
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:36.960
and there was this entity there that I couldn't see,

547
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:40.559
but I could hear it, and it basically told me like, well, come,

548
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:43.480
you know, look around. And maybe it's because I'm an engineer,

549
00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:45.200
but it told me like, oh, this is like, this

550
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:48.319
is how the universe works. Here's our machinery. Look around,

551
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:53.640
you know, you know, you welcome check it out. But

552
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.279
like we're very busy here right now, so I can't

553
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:58.839
really talk to you much, but this is like where

554
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:02.519
it can be. And then I started getting those downloads

555
00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:08.400
with where it was showing me about moving energies and

556
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:11.679
healing people with my hands and all that kind of

557
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:17.800
crazy stuff. And as as it was happening, I was

558
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:22.480
seeing ekeros, I was seeing indigenous chants, which I've never

559
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:26.000
even heard before and I've only found about it later

560
00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:29.960
when people told me. So that's that's as much as

561
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:32.360
I remember from that part. And then when they came back,

562
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:37.840
there was I was I was sitting there and there

563
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:40.000
was a cat and the cat jumped on my lap

564
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:43.480
and I was allergic to cats, and I was like,

565
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:45.440
I can't have this cat. Like I like cats, but

566
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:47.320
I'm allergic. I'm going to get allergy here in the

567
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:50.079
middle of a jungle. I don't have any allergy pills,

568
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:53.000
and what if I take an allergy pill, maybe I

569
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:54.280
can't take it with I ask and I was like

570
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:56.679
kind of freaking out, and I Waska told me, like, no,

571
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:59.039
you're not actually allergic to cats. And I told me

572
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:02.360
the story that my my grandfather killed the cat and

573
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:04.719
that I need to apologize to all the cats through

574
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:09.599
these cats, through this cat, which I did. And then

575
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:12.039
it said you have to go back home and you

576
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:14.199
have to adopt the cat, which I did, and ever

577
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:17.000
since that, I had plenty of cats and.

578
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:17.800
I never had allergy.

579
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:19.920
So my allergy was killed just like this.

580
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:23.719
So that's just part of it.

581
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:28.280
And then I had the ability to practice that newly

582
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:32.199
learned downloaded art of like healing people with my hands,

583
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:34.800
and I took away. There was a guy in a

584
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:36.719
group he had a headache, and I took away his

585
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:40.199
headache and I put it into the ground, and yeah,

586
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:42.639
all that kind of weirdness, and it's just all the

587
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:49.559
one ceremony, right, And that was the experience that in

588
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:51.719
which I aska told me, like, this is your path,

589
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.039
this is what you need to do, and if you

590
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:56.159
don't do it, you will basically never be happy. And

591
00:35:56.199 --> 00:36:01.039
when I came back from it, sacred started happening and

592
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:05.599
I ended up with with an iosco treat Yeah that's awesome. Yeah,

593
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:09.360
but that's like one percent of it. I mean, I all, guys,

594
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:11.679
I realized I'm not really that good. Like some people

595
00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:16.480
are really good describing like psychedelic stuff. I'm like not

596
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:18.920
that good at I'm pretty good at talking about mental

597
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:23.400
health and depression and things like that, but I need

598
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:25.880
to work on that. You remind me of I need

599
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:28.639
to like learn how to paint a better picture because

600
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:31.559
it's like very impressively visual at the same time.

601
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:33.360
Yeah, amazing.

602
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:40.440
But a lot of people who explore altered states, I

603
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:45.679
guess we'll say or deep spiritual experiences also have can

604
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:50.400
report encounters with things that they can't easily explain. I'd

605
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:55.320
say more like on paranormal type or even supernatural, so

606
00:36:55.599 --> 00:37:01.079
not necessarily inside that, but after right, So sometimes even

607
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:04.840
things that sound like what we would call paranormal or

608
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:09.159
supernatural or cryptids. Have you ever had an experience yourself

609
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:12.239
or talk to anybody that has.

610
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:19.239
I mean, I met a sasquatch once on the podcast.

611
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:27.079
Just kidding, I was implying that you're sasquatch. So some

612
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.440
of the things can sort of be explained away, like

613
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:34.000
two people or three people having the same publishment at

614
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:37.519
the nahuasca ceremony. But other things that I've seen over

615
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:42.440
and over again, example is I have a person in

616
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:46.840
the ceremony and they have a deep experience with some

617
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:50.400
family member or a friend that they never they haven't

618
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:54.920
talked about to this person in years, and then the

619
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:58.519
next day that person calls them. So I've seen it

620
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.360
tens of times where people say like, oh, I was

621
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:03.760
I was thinking about my dad all night and I

622
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:07.360
haven't talked to him in two years. Next day he

623
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:10.000
calls them and says like, oh, I kind of feeling

624
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:13.599
we need to talk, So like kind of it's not

625
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:18.159
like very sexy paranoia like paranormal, but it kind of

626
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:20.639
explains to you in a very clear way that we

627
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:24.599
are connected, and one person thinking about the other person

628
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:29.079
as the outcome, and other things that I've seen in

629
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:34.079
ceremony where shaman does is work and battles some kind

630
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.000
of possession or entity of the person and then it

631
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:42.559
gets removed, and immediately like that, that person starts getting

632
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:45.480
calls from family members saying like, oh I felt something,

633
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:49.239
something shifted, are you okay? And then there's like, let's

634
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:53.559
say a curse or some kind of weird energy was

635
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:58.079
lifted not just from them but from the entire lineage.

636
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.760
Or like yeah, like emailoline or something.

637
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.239
Yeah, I've seen that before, which is really hard to explain.

638
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:11.920
Have you ever like felt a presence during a ceremony?

639
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:18.679
Yeah, you feel presences. Sometimes you see shadows moving, sometimes

640
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:28.000
you see entities clearly both eyes closed and eyes open. Yeah,

641
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.960
I've personally, like one of the experiences that stands out

642
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:34.960
the most to me is we had an avalanche here

643
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.039
and like the river next to us had a huge

644
00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:41.280
MUDs light right over it. It was like scary, and it

645
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:44.760
happens like once every hundred years, and we were not

646
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:47.159
affected any shape or form, but it was a scary experience.

647
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:50.519
And then next ceremony. After that, I was I was

648
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.599
having an experience with an entity which was like an

649
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.400
Egyptian god with the crocodile had that I don't really

650
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.480
I didn't even know it kind of existed, and it

651
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:03.000
was trying to teach me how to cast a spell.

652
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:04.239
It was like this.

653
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:09.519
Mandola like energetic pattern, and it was trying to tell me,

654
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:13.000
like do this and make certain gestures with your hands

655
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:15.840
and this is going to protect you. And I'm like, WHOA,

656
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:19.440
this is cool, and I was like having fun. And

657
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.719
next day I googled that entity and apparently was the

658
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:27.440
god Egyptians used to protect themselves from rivers, and I

659
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:29.519
just had this river event. It's like, there was no

660
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:32.920
way I could have known that this entity has this

661
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:37.800
kind of information because I just didn't know. I didn't

662
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.320
even know it was a thing. So kind of like

663
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:45.000
explaining that there is this unconscious cloud of information to

664
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:47.400
which we can get access and sort of everything that

665
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:51.039
we humans believe in we placed there and it becomes

666
00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:53.239
real and it has real properties. And that's kind of

667
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:56.800
explains how we can have different people believing in different

668
00:40:56.880 --> 00:41:02.559
gods but still somehow know getting the prayer their prayers

669
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:03.880
answered that makes sense.

670
00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:09.960
Yeah, yeah, I think that that god, uh, that Egyptian

671
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:11.400
God's name is so back.

672
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:13.519
I think something like that.

673
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:20.320
Yeah, that's wild, that's absolutely wild with the flood. And

674
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:23.519
then yeah, the nile crocodile.

675
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:30.800
Yeah crazy. Yeah, So that.

676
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:33.519
Just kind of hit with a question I was having

677
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:39.400
as like cultural overlap with what different cultures have described

678
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:46.119
as spirits or guardians or even creatures, and what kind

679
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:50.079
of experience is that kind of shows that it's all

680
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:54.039
kind of like a universal tap maybe right.

681
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:58.159
Yeah, My experience is like I've seen everything from dragons

682
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:05.519
to militare to Christian angels to like literally seeing Jesus

683
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.719
for like a couple seconds. Even know I'm not the

684
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:12.440
most Christian person out there, and they all kind of

685
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.800
seem to have some kind of information to share with us.

686
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:18.519
I'm like, how is that? Like shouldn't it be that?

687
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:22.760
Like there's just one way? And it's interesting because we

688
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:25.880
have many people coming from different religions. We had everything

689
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:29.880
from Buddhists to Muslims to tons of different kinds of

690
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:36.719
Christians and even like seeks with like Turbines and Orthodox Jews,

691
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:40.760
and they somehow all get connected better to their version

692
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:44.679
of God and that's why, like, our container is very neutral.

693
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:48.800
We try to not include any religious notions, and people

694
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:53.079
seem to have their own kind of understanding of it.

695
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:55.800
I think about it, and I'm like, well, it's like

696
00:42:55.880 --> 00:43:00.320
a you know, finger pointing at God is not God, right,

697
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:03.519
so our beliefs is not the actual thing. And it's like,

698
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:06.719
I guess it has different angles to it where all

699
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:10.519
of them can be right at the same time. But yeah,

700
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:12.599
I don't have the answer there yet. I'm still sort

701
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:13.800
of working on that part.

702
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:14.480
Of my worldview.

703
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.840
But I'm not done breaking ahuasca. So hopefully by the

704
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:19.960
time I'm in my seventies, you can have me on

705
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:21.760
again and I'll have all the answers.

706
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:22.639
Yeah.

707
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:27.840
So, like the shaman does he describe these things as

708
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:31.920
more like symbolic or as like real parts of the

709
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:35.760
world that we just don't see, you know what I mean?

710
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.920
Well, I think that both are true at the same time.

711
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:44.440
There can be entity that is just a stock emotion

712
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:48.039
in your head that you yourself created, it's like repressed

713
00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:51.000
part of your psyche. But there can also be entity

714
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:53.519
that's literally attached to you and needs to be removed.

715
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:56.800
What I like about my shaman is that he doesn't

716
00:43:56.840 --> 00:44:00.760
really say, oh, everything is witchcraft. So for example, a

717
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:02.679
lot of shamans do. It's like, oh, everything is a

718
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:05.880
wishcraft and you're anyone that talks to them is possessed

719
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.639
and they always need to you always need to pay

720
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:11.880
the money to help remove that's his wife is actually

721
00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:16.519
a psychologist, and people like as a part of the retreat,

722
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:20.400
people have conversation with Tita or Shaman one on one,

723
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:23.760
and sometimes people come to them and they're like, oh,

724
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:26.320
I feel this, I must be possessed, and he's like, no, actually,

725
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:29.079
you're just depressed or like you know, because he can

726
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:33.639
see the difference, and if there's actually something off with

727
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:36.920
the person on like a deep spiritual energetic level, he

728
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:38.800
will also see it and then.

729
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:41.360
Try to do his best to fix it. Right.

730
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:44.280
So, but it's not always the case like I would say,

731
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:47.320
I mean, I wish I had statistics. But most of

732
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:51.000
the time, when people think they have entity attached to them,

733
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.000
it's not a real thing. But the things that we

734
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:59.360
see in the visions, whether they're they're real or not.

735
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:05.599
I think, like I almost feel like sometimes Awaska changes

736
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:08.960
your perception and you can it's like putting glasses like,

737
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:12.679
let's say you're you're short sighted, and then you put glasses,

738
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:15.280
all of a sudden you can see a different level.

739
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:18.000
But you can also use a microscope. We can also

740
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:21.440
use a telescope, but with Alaska there is like a

741
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:25.599
billion different layers and depending on which wave you're on,

742
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:27.960
you can see different things. So it's like, I think

743
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:32.400
that that the space around us is really not that empty,

744
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:35.920
and it has different energies, some of them the nine

745
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:39.760
and some of them malignant and some are just you know,

746
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:43.239
they just don't care about you. So but I think

747
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:44.840
about it a lot and I explore it, but I

748
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:49.880
honestly don't have a definitive understanding of it. I invite

749
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:52.239
people to drink Awaska and figure it out themselves.

750
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:58.000
Yeah, for sure. What about outside ceremony? Have you ever

751
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.599
seen anything weird? Like I brought up my Sasquatch thing

752
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:04.639
right earlier, you said it, but if you like, I

753
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:10.320
mean it's Columbia. There's some jungle right that, and some

754
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:14.039
deep dark stuff. Is there anything that you've seen that's

755
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:18.280
outside of ceremony that kind of you're like, wow, that

756
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:19.960
was that was weird?

757
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:23.280
So I'm in My answer is probably bland and boring.

758
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:26.360
I don't really see much. I don't perceive much when

759
00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:28.519
I when I'm not on n Aahuaska, I don't really see

760
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:31.360
or perceive much. When I'm on ayahuasca and I'm outside

761
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:35.320
of ceremonia, sometimes see things or I've seen like alien

762
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:38.519
craft a couple of times. But my wife, on the

763
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:41.679
other hand, she has like that she has that gift

764
00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:46.920
and she sees and feels spirits and energies like I.

765
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:48.760
I don't really see any of that, and I'm so

766
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:53.079
happy I don't because it's like like she's always like, oh,

767
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:56.159
like this person has this, and I'm like, well, it's

768
00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:58.159
not a it's not a pleasant thing to experience.

769
00:46:58.199 --> 00:46:58.880
You can know.

770
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:02.000
Like once we were driving past and there was an

771
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.639
accident and she like somehow felt the soul of that

772
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:09.400
that person, and she was like not in a good

773
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:11.800
place for like ten minutes. I'm like, I'm glad I

774
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:16.719
don't feel anything from that point of view. But I

775
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:20.880
mean I've never seen anything, but people have seen things, and.

776
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:24.840
You don't discount it at least.

777
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:28.960
Yeah, I don't say it's not real. I think probably

778
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:31.760
some of it is real. I'm just really happy that

779
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:34.719
I don't see any of it. Like I kind of

780
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:40.239
have this a little egotistic believe that my energy is

781
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:44.440
so beautiful that nothing can even like come close to me,

782
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:48.559
which probably is not true. I'm just a human being

783
00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:52.599
with the whole devices associated definitely.

784
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:58.960
So this show, obviously, it's called broadcasting seeds, and what

785
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:02.679
I like to do is play seeds in the audience's mind.

786
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:04.880
And one of the last things I like to do

787
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:10.840
in every episode is have the guest plant a seed

788
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:12.920
for the audience.

789
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:18.159
Okay, I mean mine is going to be obvious, right,

790
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:23.559
I ask a change my life. I'm very passionate about Ahuaska. Obviously,

791
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:27.400
I have an Ayahuaska retreat and I have an Ayauaska podcast.

792
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:30.360
Then I work on a documentary about Ahuaska, and I'm

793
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:34.239
writing a book about Ahuaska. So my seed would be

794
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:40.679
I would like people to question or explore the idea

795
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:45.000
that they might want to try Ahuaska because I believe

796
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:48.360
ayahuasca is for everyone. It's not just for people that

797
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:51.920
are spiritual and wear cotton pants and have crystals. It's

798
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:56.400
for everyday falk. It's for people whether you need to

799
00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:58.960
heal something or you just want to expand your consciousness

800
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:05.360
or maybe get closer to understanding the part normal things.

801
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:07.559
Because it depends on what your intention is. You can

802
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:11.760
get so many different things from it. But if done

803
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:15.840
in a safe setting, safe container, it's just a beautiful

804
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:20.000
experience that will help you get a different perspective on

805
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:24.639
your life. And so my seed would be tryawaskape.

806
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:25.039
You can.

807
00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:28.039
You're welcome to come to my retreat if you'd like to,

808
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:33.639
and if you go somewhere else, just there's plenty of

809
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:37.039
great places, but Tryauasca and if not, then at least

810
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:41.119
at least work with some psychedegs because in my experience,

811
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:44.920
for me was the catalyst necessary to break through and

812
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:50.000
really start questioning things and really start it. Jumps started

813
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:54.360
my healing journey and I wish it to everyone else

814
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:54.800
as well.

815
00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:56.519
Awesome.

816
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.000
I want to give you the last word. If there's

817
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:04.320
anything else you want to say, go ahead and plug

818
00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:07.880
yourself again. Tell tell everybody where they can find you

819
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:08.400
once again.

820
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:13.079
Yeah, thank you so much. So if you are ready

821
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:16.599
to drink Ahuaska, find us. It's if you google Auaska

822
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:20.079
in Colombia. Our website is I Asking Columbia dot com,

823
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:22.119
or if you go to Lawara dot com, which is

824
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:24.360
the name of the retreat. L A W A y

825
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:29.559
r A dot com. Come participate, you'll you'll love it.

826
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:32.559
If you're not ready, but you want to educate yourself

827
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:34.639
and you want to learn more about Auaska, check out

828
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:39.559
my podcast i Aska podcast dot com. Or if you

829
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:43.679
go on any LM CHGPT Gemini and ask what's the

830
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:47.280
number one podcast on topic of Ayauaska? You will recommend

831
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:53.079
us as well. Yeah, I hope you enjoyed the episode

832
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:56.039
and learn something new. I feel sad. I don't really

833
00:50:56.079 --> 00:51:02.159
have that many Sasquad stories to tell, but I think

834
00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:04.599
it's better to be honest than to make make one up.

835
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:12.079
I can assure you that life was full of mysteries,

836
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:18.599
and I've definitely connected to all of that so much

837
00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:20.760
more in the last five years of my work with

838
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:21.719
plant medicines.

839
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:25.519
Absolutely. I so appreciate you coming on.

840
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:28.599
Thank you so much. Thank you for having me on

841
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:33.320
the show. And I'm I'm happy there's people having interesting,

842
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:35.679
unorthodox conversations on the internet.

843
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:38.119
We all needed, we do for sure.

844
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:43.320
That's that's the serious, right, So all right, take care,

845
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:44.440
we'll talk soon.

846
00:51:49.679 --> 00:52:01.039
I was wired enormous bill to explain co Steel Lodge

847
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:01.920
running through.

848
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:06.199
My veins but something through the static noise quite full.

849
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:09.599
I couldn't afford in a lapstone show where this rope

850
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:13.679
goes the true thing found with the data flow, severing answer,

851
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:18.639
just let me deep into the world I couldn't measure.

852
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:23.960
There's a signal very the chain, a pattern hiding in place.

853
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:27.719
You can feel it when the noise drops, like something

854
00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:32.400
calling from the end of the side. I crossed the

855
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:34.280
line between the vents.

856
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:38.639
Some things I can't.

857
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:40.480
Sort.

858
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:48.519
Stop like im.

859
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:54.360
Before. Don't excuse.

860
00:52:55.760 --> 00:53:01.599
Once you see there's the truth. You can't see.

861
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:09.199
Any more, between the veil and the fire, between the

862
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:15.679
veil and the fire.

863
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:19.840
Not every shadows just sting in your head, not every voice.

864
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:23.840
It's something you said, something's where the eyes can't.

865
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:27.880
Go, but to feel them deep in here soul, different faces,

866
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:32.199
the same old story, jeans and God's chasing glory.

867
00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:33.840
Names all changed, but the.

868
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:38.199
Bread remains the same old war in different phrames.

869
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:39.239
You start to.

870
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:42.320
See it in the hat goes in the missing mind

871
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:44.639
lines and we.

872
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:48.320
Couldn't let the bread crumb voice rap on the sky

873
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:57.559
fast the line between the villains. Some things actually.

874
00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:07.679
Self supation, like a reve.

875
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:10.880
Before.

876
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:16.400
They don't leave you the same. You do the frame.

877
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:21.440
There's a truth you can't or see any more.

878
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:28.599
It's seen the veil and the fires. When a veil

879
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:38.239
and the fire. What if we're not just fleshing bone.

880
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:46.880
What if we're passing through a borrowed home. What if

881
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:55.239
the few is never red, something built to.

882
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:55.480
Break your will?

883
00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:04.079
What is the aside has never left? Just very deep

884
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:05.880
believe the.

885
00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:15.559
Across the line between the veil and the fire. Now

886
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:19.119
I can't go, but before.

887
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:25.760
There's something real and then you see you, Hugh, I

888
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:28.079
can't be in here on a bountain.

889
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:30.039
Times before.

890
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:40.639
Leg the day your bar pray that you can't norrey month.

891
00:55:41.400 --> 00:56:01.079
Between the veil and the fire fin find you out

892
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:02.480
out