July 18, 2025

Ancestral Wisdom & Modern Paganism with Greyhorn Pagans

Ancestral Wisdom & Modern Paganism with Greyhorn Pagans
Ancestral Wisdom & Modern Paganism with Greyhorn Pagans
The Broadcasting Seeds Podcast
Ancestral Wisdom & Modern Paganism with Greyhorn Pagans
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In this conversation, Stijn Fawkes shares his journey into paganism, the formation of the Greyhorn Pagans community, and the revival of ancestral practices. He discusses the importance of storytelling, the eclectic nature of modern paganism, and the role of rituals and offerings in connecting with the divine. Stijn emphasizes the significance of intention in pagan practices and the influence of paganism on contemporary culture. He also outlines his goals for the future of his community and podcast.



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Year Joe straight from the broadcast studio, and then the

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static This ain't no tread sound story Soner's prophetic encrypt

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the signals from the saddles of the garden.

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peep the frequency seeds in the midst we drop farse

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like plagues, revelations in the catus, broadcasting truth while they

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trapped in surveillans wrisdom with a watchman's blade, forth what

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sound while your whole system faide blood moons that for

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love echoes in the pond sas quart soften through the

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fault lines of time. We ain't mainstream, We ain't just

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streams safer with the prophets to code the dreams. So

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with you tune in better guards. Your mind is broadcasting

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seeds and were breaking the design of design. Yeah, yeah,

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yo yo, straight from the broadcast.

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Tell us who you are and what you do.

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For sure. My name is Stein. I go by Stein

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Fox on the Internet. That's the name I've chosen when

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I was this radical activist in my early twenties. I

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have grown up since I am a Dutch born Germanic

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pagan I follow the old gods of Northern Europe and

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northwestern Europe to be specific, close to home. I am

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a podcaster, content creator, tribal leader. I have my own tribe, founded,

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my own tribe, and of course most importantly, I am

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a husband and father, my kids, two kids, daughter and

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a son.

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They're the best man. Yeah, for sure. I've got four daughters,

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so I get oh yeah, that's a whole other episode.

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So one of the first things I like to ask

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my guests is what what was your gate like? What

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got you into this? What was your gateway to this

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entire world that you live in now?

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Well, I I've always been interested in history. I always

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liked the stories. I loved listening to the stories that

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my father told me about his youth, about the stories

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that he told me about his father how he lived,

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and the stories of the war and all of that.

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You know, the stories of our ancestors, how they lived

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and all. It's all been very, very fascinating. And so

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that's that's one, definitely one part of it. And I

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wasn't necessarily raised religiously as many many are, of course,

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but I've always been raised let's say, around religion. Both

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my grandparents or or my grandparents really from both my

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mother's and father's side, were religious. They were Roman Catholics,

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So you know, I went to church, said the prayers

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before every meal, before going to bed. So I've always

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been around that, at least always thought the the imagery

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was incredibly beautiful. Still, do you know whenever I go

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to a to a church, the stained glass windows and

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all the art, I think it's you know, it's absolutely amazing,

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absolutely beautiful, horrific story, beautiful art. Yeah, so I I

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guess it really started in my my twenties. You know,

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I had a bit of a bit of a spiritual awakening,

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a dark night of the soul as they like to

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call it in the more spiritual circles. I got incredibly back,

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black pilled. I was like very depressed because like, oh

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my God, like I am powerless. I cannot do anything

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because everything is controlled. There was a that period in

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my life sucked quite bad. You know, I didn't feel

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like getting a job because you know, like why would

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I work if it's you know, not going to get

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me anywhere. Buss makes a dollar, I make a dime,

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all that kind of shit, and I'm not gonna go

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anywhere because there's a glass ceiling and I have to

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sell out, and you know, the fuss you have in

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your early twenties, and then like.

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Slowly, especially did you go to college?

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No, No, I've always did trade school.

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Yeah, I was just well either way, you did something

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after primary school, right, Yeah, for sure. It seems to

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be the definitely in their twenties, they're like, what in

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the heck? Yeah, especially within the last ten years, I understand,

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get it.

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So yeah, well no, it's okay, I mean not thirty

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three years old. So in the last ten years it's

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about right. Yeah, yeah, ten fifteen years, and slowly but

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surely kind of religion made its way back into my life.

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More animism to be to be specific, pretty much like

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an all encompassing kind of spirituality. It is not really

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a religion. Animism is basically, you know, God is in everything,

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and everything has a touch of the divine. And it

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wasn't until History Fightings, actually, the TV show that is

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of course still very very hollywoods you know, it's a

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it's a lot more dark and grimy than the actual history.

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But that really sparked something in me. Then, something about

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the the warrior culture, the the honor culture, the deep

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spirituality of it all is how it was portrayed, at

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least whenever I was I was watching it, I was like, yeah,

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like this this this is this is it. This is

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what I feel. You know, I've always had this strong

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sense of of justice, always the strong sense of needing

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to you know, defend my loved ones, defend myself, which

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comes in very andy with a you know, warrior culture,

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warrior warri warrior religion. And I began exploring further and

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began to to read more, began to read the story

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of the Das, the pros ed poetic Eda, you know,

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the few stories that have remained from from our past,

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from our ancestral past, because it was was all oral traditions.

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So once the oral traditions died, and everything else pretty

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much dies. And I have grown a lot since then,

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so I've discovered a lot more. Been in like several groups,

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several communities, always learned learned a lot from them that

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some some good people, some less good people. Unfortunately, and

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at a certain point, I think it was well pretty

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much right before I met my wife, so that's like

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five five years ago now, like just before the whole

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pandemic thing kicked off. I was getting tired of you know,

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not getting what I what I need in those different communities,

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and you know, growing too popular and then being kind

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of a threat for the admins of getting you know,

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booted out or worked out every time. And I was like, yeah,

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come on, I'm getting so tired of this. So that's

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when my wife and I decided that, you know what,

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we're just we're gonna do this ourselves. We're gonna, you know,

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but really do it properly. So we're not going to

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call it the community. We're actually gonna call it and

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make it a tribe, you know, because that's our ancestors lived.

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There was tribal living, these little communities, little villages, and

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yeah that really has has grown and has been through

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several changes as most you know, tribes and communities do.

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A tribe with the Great Hearnt Pagans, it is called.

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Yeah that really well, you know, being my own tribal leader,

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own community leader, has taught me a lot as well.

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Definitely made some mistakes, but you know, the the thing

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is that you know, you can make mistakes as long

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as you learn from them. I have definitely learned from them. Luckily,

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my wife keeps me, keeps me straight as well, I

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mean good things hopefully. Yeah, I know a good thing too.

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I'd be like just an unguided projectile, just you know,

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being everywhere, going everywhere, long live, having fun, responsibility for

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responsibility with all the things attached to it that are

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that's fun. So she keeps me, keeps me straight, keeps

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me grounded, and she is really the well, she's my

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my female counterpart. What you know, I believe that a community,

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a tribe needs, you know, this strong male leader, but

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also this, you know, this loving, loving female leader who

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can be strong as well. I definitely need to with me.

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I have a mind of my own and I'm very

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stubborn at times.

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I always find the way my wife is like grounding

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part of all this.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.

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So as goes and I don't I don't like to

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put these terms to all this stuff, but I'm going

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to because it's the best way to understand. Like, so,

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what of you know, with your community, your tribe, and

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let's call it what it is, right, your tribe the

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Gray Horton Pagans, Yes, right, what is what would you

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consider or say, like your faith lineage is like, where

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is that personally rooted?

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I say that is a very good question.

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Because you have like Norse, Germanic, you have Celtic, You've

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got all you know, but there and you stated in

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your intro Northwest Europe, which is your home. I just

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like to be able to, you know, build up.

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Well, I'll say as a as a tribe, we are

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quite eclectic. We have members of many many paths. Cool definitely, folks, Yeah, yeah,

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we all, we all believe in similar things. Let's say

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we have druids, we have Pagans. We have which is

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we had but unfortunately, due to bad behavior, I had

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to remove him. Someone who actually follows Mithros, which is

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you know, knew very little about me Thrus before I'm

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that guy. I love the I love that my tribe

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is so eclectic because I get to learn a lot

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from that as well. Having a community of just you know,

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Germanic pagans from ours pagans. Yeah, that's that's great. But

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you know, you're then it becomes like an echo chamber

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and it's like, oh, you know I think.

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That, Yeah me too, Yeah me too, Yeah me too,

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Okay the choir yeah cool, Like but have we learned anything. No,

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not really, because we all think the same thing. So

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started out really as focused on let's say Norse paganism,

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because that is the most most well known, most accessible.

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Wanted to learn about about the gods, wanted to learn

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about our ancestral ways, how they practice their faith, how

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they structured their communities over over the years. That for

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me at least, it really went from just Scandinavia down

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to Germania what is now more known as Germany.

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Then I met people from another Dutch tribe, tribe with

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the Fox. Amazing people there. You know, they do a

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lot of deep research into like just the Netherlands. So

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I've been, you know, I'm in contact with them a lot.

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I've met up with them quite a few times, and

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a few rituals with them, and they also make me

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understand you know, like my ancestral path, my you know,

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the true Dutch ancestral path a lot better. So yeah,

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as a tribe, it went really from Norse pagan but

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open to other things to now being very eclectic and

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we all learn from each other. And I also very

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much like that we have people who are you know,

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let's say, incredibly new to the path who have just

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heard of it. It's like, hey, I found out that,

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you know, I have some Scandinavian or German or Dutch

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blood or whatever, and I heard about these gods. You know,

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can you guys tell me more because I don't know

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anything about it. You know, we have those what I

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used to be at one time, and then we have

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people who will I've been practicing for decades, you know,

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twenty years, thirty years, and I still learned from from

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them as well, you know, learn how it was back

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in the you know, like the a's and seventies and

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all of that, and how it has progressed over the years.

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So yeah, even let's say, fifteen years onto the path,

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I am still learning every day, learning from from the

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newbies and learning from the veterans.

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Yeah. I've always said my audience is sick of sure,

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but either way, I've always liked to surround myself with

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like hearted people, not necessarily like minded, because yeah, like

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you said, if we live in an echo chamber, all

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we hear is ourselves, and that's dangerous, frankly.

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So yeah, yeah, yeah, we've seen that over the years,

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of course.

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So what does your terms, right, what does pagan revival

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look like?

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Bringing that up. Nice, you're actually the first one who

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really brings up the Pagan revival.

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That's that's because it's it's a movement period, it is,

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so it is, yeah, and to ignore stuff like that

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is what good does that do? Nothing?

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So no, it's uh, yeah, the pagan Revival, as we

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have coined, it is really people going back to their

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ancestral path, to their their ancestral ways, finding the old

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gods again, or the old gods finding them however you

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want to put it. So we've seen over the years

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that even in you know, a lot of archaeological find

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some major discoveries have been made. Even recently here in

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the Netherlands, a sort has been has been found in

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a river, sort that hasn't been used in combat, but

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was used as a as an offering, a very beautiful

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intricate sort with all kinds of symbols engraved in it,

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both Pagan and Christian symbols, so really showing a beautiful

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syncretism between the two from you know, from that sort

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and the you know, investigating and researching into the time period,

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they have managed to discover that offering sorts or offering

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weapons of some kind used to be a quite common

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offering because they are you know, of course, very powerful items.

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you offer them to the gods by you know, either

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placing them not necessarily throwing them, or placing them in

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the river, which is you know, a very very powerful

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source of energy. Of course, you know the river like

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it always flows. You never step in the same river twice.

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offering like that? That's incredibly incredibly powerful, incredibly beautiful, and

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that's just archaeological discovering, you know, and especially from you know,

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most of the guests that I have had on my

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own show, my own podcast, I'd say that the true revival,

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the true shift, happened during the pandemic because everyone's world's

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just kind of shattered, you know, they they didn't know

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what to believe anymore. Even the church said, you know,

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like I don't want to install the church. I'm not

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that kind of pagan. There are many unfortunately, I'm not

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one of those. You know a lot of church churches,

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like like if you've even seen banners, you know, like

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Jesus can't say if you get the shot, it's like,

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but then why why go to church? Why pray to him?

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You know if even the church says, you know, get

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the inoculation, No, you're you're supposed to be my you know,

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the ones who save me right, like Jesus and God,

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And so I get why many people over time left

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left the church and its left them, left them wandering,

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wandering both with like oh and they wandering and wondering.

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And vote on Odin the well Father, the Supreme God,

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if you will. He is the great wanderer. Many people

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have found the gods. Many people of you know, especially

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European ancestry, and Europeans themselves of course went back to

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the ancestral ways because they felt like this is this

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is it, you know, this is what my my ancestors practiced,

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or you know, it's an unbroken lineage. Even there are few,

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there are very few of those, but there are a

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few unbroken lineages still and it just felt felt right

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to them. And yeah, you know, there's this this big

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revival going on of people, you know, like remembering their past,

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you know, their their blood memory, if you will, coming

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coming coming back to the service, I mean religion as

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a whole.

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As you know, I was just gonna say that, but

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you said, yeah.

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No, religion as a whoways gained in popularity again because

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it's basically the only thing that you can can really trust.

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The other thing that really you know, will will forever

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have your bad no matter what God really believe in.

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I mean, I'm sure that your audience agrees that the

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girl and.

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I we can know they be really trust for surely.

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it's a part of this larger spiritual awakening. Yeah, with

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my with my tribe, we we want to be a

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place for the people who have found the ancestral ways,

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who have come on the on the pagan path again.

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And we're also doing a lot and finding a lot

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of ways to revive our ancestral ways and really try

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and figure out, like how can we live like our

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ancestors did but in the twenty first century, because you know,

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in a thousand years lot a lot has changed. You know,

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a lot of things we can't do anymore, things we

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don't have access to any more. So you know, how

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how do we do it? Basically the question how can

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I be a twenty first century pagan? Because I mean,

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I'd love to just go out and live in the woods. Unfortunately,

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in you know, the year twenty twenty five, it's not

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that feasible anymore. I can just go off and be like, hey, society,

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you see you? Yeah, So okay, what what can I

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do in terms of rituals? Where where can I have

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a ritual space? How do I perform rituals? First of all,

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like also within legal boundaries so that I, you know,

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my offerings don't have people knocking on my door that

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I don't want knocking on my door. That's another thing

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that has changed a lot, you know, the offerings, like

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how do I do?

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Then?

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What what what do I offer? You know, does it

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can like, for example, can be store bought? Is that

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like an acceptable offering? Or do I have to make

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it myself? Do I have to go out and you know,

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like get it myself? So you know, the questions that

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people may have that that I for sure have had

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and you know still have. We're also, like I said,

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trying to be the place for people to to find

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those answers or that we collectively can come to an

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answer that you know, and again, because we're so eclectic,

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that doesn't have to be the same answer you know,

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like what works for you doesn't have to work for me.

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But we're trying to find find our way in the

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ancestral ways in the twenty four So.

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With that, how how do you use like rituals and

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rings and crystal stones, metals and like other tools in

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the community, Like how how does this come into your life,

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like your everyday life.

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Well, there are a lot of different things that that

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you can do a lot of different ways in how

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you can practice. Honestly, you don't even need tools for them,

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just by being a good person. That's already you know

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you're doing. But if you want to use tools, if

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you feel, you know, it enhances the the experience. And

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let's start with the with the ruins, which is very

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very well known one and one that I've been going

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into more lately, especially on my podcast and on my Patreon. Yeah,

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well on my like first of all, on my microphone,

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I have a I have a piece of bone with

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one of the rooms carved into it, room representing leadership.

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Got that from a from a friend of mine, friend

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and fellow tribal member who makes his own runs as well,

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and I it's you know, he really got me that

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out of you know, out of respect and out of

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love for for what I do. He really found a

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place in the in the tribes. I'm really happy for him.

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And you can use runs as you would use terrort

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cards for example. You know you can read the rooms.

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You can grab your your back of rooms. Doesn't it

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can be store bought, by the way, it's it's really

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it's the intention that counts. Yeah, cats, if you want

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to honor, I have to. I do that with a

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with a buddy of mine every every Saturday, Like we

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do run and card readings and he does blind readings,

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which I think is really awesome. So you know, he'll

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pull a room and then you know, knowing what the

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room represents, he'll you know, try to buy intuition, tell

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you like, okay, this room, it represents this. And you know,

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with your your question or the energy that you put

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that you give out, it can like affect your your

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life in these in these ways, or it can be

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really as simple as using it in everyday life, using

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rooms in in your cooking. Even yeah, I know, yeah

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you gonna you're gonna be a good boy. O. Thank you.

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You just knocked over my water bottle just now. And no,

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but I've heard that from someone else is really a

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kind of a household switch household pagan So what she

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will do, for example, let's say, you know, especially in

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these times, money's a little tight. We've all had that problem,

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or we all know that problem, then you would use that.

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The room that you would use for that is the

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fay who room, the one that literally looks like the

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letter F and you could, I don't know, like inscribe

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it on a piece of paper and lay it under

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your pillow so that you sleep on it every night,

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pulling it, pulling the energy of the room into your

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der subconscious, into your unconscious. If you like baking pies,

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if you like baking bread, then in the dough before

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you put it in the oven, you can carve a

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little fay Whu room into it, so it literally gets

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baked into the product. And then by consuming the product,

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you are consuming the energy and the power of the

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fay Whu room for example. So very very simple things

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it doesn't have to be have to be. That's that complicated, Yeah, no, exactly,

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And that's that that's also one of the not the beautiful,

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the beauty beautiful things about you know about paganism, like

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it doesn't. That's what everybody always thinks. Of course, you know,

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oh I have to have to just elaborate set up this,

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you know, like thousand dollars altar with two thousand dollars

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worth of stuff on there, and it's like, I'm sure,

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like you can if you want to, but you don't

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have to. Like my altar is literally my old desk

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set up in the bedroom, and I have stuff that

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represents my my grandparents.

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You know.

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I have a wooden carving that my grandfather made. I

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have like one of those those pocket watches that my grandmother,

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grandfather from mother's side, always used to wear. I have

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pictures of the kids on there. I I you know,

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I do burn incense on there. I do burn sage

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on there. But you know that is my that is

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my alter. It's you know, it's pictures and items trinkets

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that for me carry the the energy of of my family,

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of my loved ones, and that's that's my alter. Most

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of it didn't cost me anything because they were you know,

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there were gifts, or they were pictures that you know,

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like school pictures even, or pictures that you know, my

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that the mother of my children make with their phone

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them printed out and gave to me for for Father's

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Day or or something.

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Things that you give meaning.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly like that. That is the I'd say,

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that's one of the more important aspects really, like it

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has to have meaning to.

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You as well. That's the other.

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Yeah, meaning intention, And you know, whatever that thing may

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be that to you carries the meaning of intention. That

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really doesn't matter. You know, it means something to you.

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If it means something important to you, then like you

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could say, it is already a spiritual or religious object

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in a way, just very very personal. It's also why

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I know why I always wear the hammer or the

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hammer author to you know, of course indicate that I

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am a follower of the old ways. And it is

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also something very very personal to me. It is like

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literally after my morning shower, it's the first thing that

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I put on, like not even clothes, no necklace comes first.

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I feel I feel incomplete without it, you know, if

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I'm not if I had a you know, if I

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have a crazy chaotic morning for example, and I like,

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you know, I go out the door and not wear it.

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I've had that a few times. I just I don't

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feel I don't feel comfortable. I don't feel myself, you know,

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and I like subconsciously, I you know, I keep feeling

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for it, to keep driving it. It's like, oh no, wait,

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I'm not wearing his not wearing it right?

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Absolutely? Yeah. One of my favorite characters in the book,

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it's that the books are thereby Bernard Cornwell. I don't

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know if you.

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Know, I'm I'm familiar, familiar.

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Yeah, his main character, Utred of Babenberg wars. Yeah, and

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he'll never take it off no matter what. And it's

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pretty funny, same same kind of thing because he just won't.

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You know, this is what he is and this is

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who he is, and that's what he believes, period. So

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and no matter who tells him otherwise doesn't matter. So

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what are some of the biggest misconceptions about that?

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I that's that's a very bigod question. It's like even

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like when you look up pagan or paganism on on Google,

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for example, one of the things that it'll say is

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godless even like, which.

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Is it's a it's a co opted or I kind

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of look at it as like a hijacked word. But

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that's one of the reasons, Like I wonder why it's

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still used. But whatever, I maybe you can explain it

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for the lack of the lack of another word. Maybe

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like like so, as a Christian, we call angels angels,

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but angels isn't they're not angels there there, it's a

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job title. Actually, yeah, so pagan.

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Just it's it's just uh, well, it's it's a name

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that was that was given to to the people of course,

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you know, coming from the Latin paganas, which means you know,

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outsider or you know nature, nature worshiper, someone who who

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lives outside the city, who lives outside of outside of society,

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you know, who lives in nature, who lives in the woods,

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on a farm, you know, anything like that. So really,

468
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:22.839
if you boil it can be boiled down to someone

469
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:29.039
who is still in touch with nature. That's why it

470
00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:32.839
always has why it's another thing that people will say,

471
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:36.680
you know, paganism. You know, it's it's a it's a

472
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:40.400
broken lineage, it's a it's a broken religion. You know,

473
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:48.599
it's not continuous, and I mean it it is otherwise

474
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:50.599
you know, in the year twenty twenty five, I definitely

475
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:52.680
wouldn't be a pagan if it is indeed, you know,

476
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:57.640
a dead religion or a broken religion of any kind.

477
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:04.599
It is just mostly worships. Uh. Now, in in nature,

478
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:08.599
you know the the gods were are now are these

479
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:12.680
these forces of nature? Are these uh? You know these

480
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:17.720
archetypical beings that you will find in in nature. You know,

481
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:21.640
Thor is the god of thunder. He is the god

482
00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:26.000
of strength. So you know, a thunderstorm to us is

483
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:30.119
for riding through the heavens. You know, a I don't know,

484
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:36.039
like a lead level powerlifter, you know, has channeling the

485
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:40.640
the strength of Thor for example. And one other misconception

486
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:45.759
that a lot of the well, let's say, uneducated Christian

487
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:51.440
audience has is that we are devil worshipers, which couldn't

488
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:55.039
be further from the truth. We don't even acknowledge the

489
00:30:55.160 --> 00:31:01.960
existence of the devil. Yeah, we have our malicious entities

490
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:06.920
and divine beings that cause havoc, if you will, But

491
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:09.799
we are not a devil worshipers and have every devil

492
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:12.519
worshiper that calls themselves pagan or every pagan that calls

493
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:16.559
themself devil worshiper doesn't know what he's what he's talking about,

494
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:20.279
because those two they do not go go hand in hands.

495
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:25.920
One is definitely not like the other. We are respectors

496
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:28.279
of nature. We are lovers of nature. We are the

497
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:34.240
keepers of nature and the and the natural forces. That is,

498
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:38.680
that's really what it's what it you know. We we

499
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:41.640
know we don't go to go to church every Sunday.

500
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:46.400
If we want to honor our gods, we go outside. Really,

501
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:48.440
if we truly want to be one with our gods,

502
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:50.680
we can go into the woods. If you want to

503
00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:54.960
feel this connection to the Dutch goddess n Helenia for example,

504
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:58.160
who was the goddess of the seafarers and sea trade,

505
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:01.279
you know, you can go out on the ocean and

506
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:05.640
experience the power and also you know the vastness of

507
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:09.000
the ocean that will bring you in contact or will

508
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:11.920
bring you easier in contact with the goddess ne Hellenia

509
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:17.000
for example. Doesn't mean that we don't have our own temples,

510
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:19.440
that we've never had our own temples. We definitely do,

511
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:24.079
but they are for the bigger celebrations, for the for

512
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:28.119
the equinoxes, for example, when you know, the whole the

513
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:31.480
whole town or like several towns and tribes come together

514
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:36.440
and you know, celebrate the the returning of the sun

515
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:42.160
or the returning of spring, or you know, on the

516
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:46.599
thirty first of December, the you know we celebrate the

517
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:53.079
new year. That is when we'll go to to a temple,

518
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:58.160
because it's just it's a gathering place. It's a gathering

519
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:03.200
place for worship, not something that we go to every

520
00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:06.279
Sunday or something that you have to go to to

521
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:08.960
be able to connect to your gods. We also don't

522
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:13.319
really have any religious texts. Like the Christians would have

523
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:17.279
the Bible, for example, the Judaeis would have the Torah,

524
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:21.400
the islam has the Kuran. We don't really have that.

525
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:26.640
We have stories. We have stories of our gods, we

526
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:31.680
have stories of our ancestors, we have the stories of

527
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:36.519
the heroes of old, and in those stories are woven

528
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:40.599
the lessons that we are supposed to supposed to learn.

529
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:48.319
Our woven the the archetypes that that teach us, the

530
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:51.440
archetypes that show us the ways of the world.

531
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:54.200
So let's expand on that, just to touch So you've

532
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:56.839
got probably the most well known type of things that

533
00:33:56.920 --> 00:34:03.559
someone would consider a pagan story would be the sagas. Right.

534
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.240
What beyond that, though, is there just if you have

535
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:08.079
some examples.

536
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:12.119
One very known example is the story of Beowulf. That

537
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:16.119
is a very known, very well known pagan story. The

538
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:21.960
story of the Nibe Lullan, it's a very well known

539
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:25.320
Germanic story. I'm not sure who the main character is,

540
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:27.320
but it's it's this layer of the dragon, you know

541
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:32.239
that that archetype which has been the story Niber Lullan.

542
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:37.199
It's it's a Germanic German, Germanic Gairman. Yeah, you could

543
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:40.920
even say that, although that is more more Southern European.

544
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:44.800
Of course. The Trials and Tribulations and the works of

545
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:50.159
Hercules or Heraclass as his actual Greek name is, those

546
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:56.000
are pagan stories as well. The stories of the Grim Brothers,

547
00:34:56.920 --> 00:35:02.840
those are ancestral stories even into fairy tales, first of all,

548
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:06.320
because they make you know, for really really good stories.

549
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:11.679
And also if then someone who considers themselves of a

550
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:16.440
higher religious nature comes a knocking and says like, hey,

551
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:18.599
you are telling stories that you're not supposed to be telling.

552
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:20.880
You know, of the old gods, of the old demons

553
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.559
or whatever. You can you can tell them like no, no, no, no,

554
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:28.800
they're kids tills. I mean, you know, the true grim stories.

555
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:31.159
I always like to say, like there's a reason why

556
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:35.079
they're called grim it's a good thing that Disney like

557
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:41.440
kind of make them appropriate for kids, because wow, but

558
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:45.920
you know, those are ancestral stories. Again, in those stories,

559
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:48.320
you can find the archetypes, you can find the lessons.

560
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:51.199
You know, the beautiful story of Ariel for example, you

561
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:53.760
know the Little Mermaid. It's you know, a story of

562
00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:59.639
well really being being careful with with what you wish

563
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:02.519
for because you know, yes, you you may get what

564
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:04.840
you want, but definitely at a price, which is a

565
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:08.480
story that you know, like you and and your audience

566
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:11.880
as Christians will also you know, recognize very much. And

567
00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:13.960
we have that in the pagan stories as well. We

568
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:18.480
have that in our ancestral stories as well, I say,

569
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:23.519
the stories of of Troy, of stories of the of

570
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:25.599
the Odyssey. I could even go as far as to

571
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:30.719
say that the Divine comedy Aligery, the Divine Comedy has

572
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:35.840
a pagan touch to it. I definitely like that. You know,

573
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:41.199
he gave us our own sort of heavenly realm, like

574
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:43.320
a bit of a bit of a lesser heaven, but

575
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:47.800
still haven't. It's like, thanks, Like, I like that much

576
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:49.880
much better than oh, like you're pagan, you're going to

577
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:53.719
go to hell. Okay, thanks heard that. So I've heard

578
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:55.239
that so many times by now.

579
00:36:56.800 --> 00:37:01.880
So tell us a little bit about what you got,

580
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:06.800
like your your community, meaning like what's the best place

581
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:10.440
is to find you and and and all that type

582
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:13.519
of stuff, like your podcast, your website.

583
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:18.960
Yeah, of course, our main website would be UW dot

584
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:24.519
greyhornpagans dot com. It's really where everything is located, where

585
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:27.079
you can find our like I want to say, our

586
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.039
podcast because it's you know, it's a tribal efforts. I mean,

587
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:34.199
I mostly host it, I do all the editing, but

588
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:38.840
it's a tribal podcast. What you can find on YouTube

589
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:41.719
and of course all the bigger audio platforms. The place

590
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:47.719
where we're most active, where the most most chatting really happens,

591
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:52.280
is on Telegram, t dot, m E for slash, Greyhorn Pagans.

592
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:58.920
It's it's a smaller, smaller amount of people there, you know,

593
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.840
not in the in the thousands, but definitely the people

594
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:05.559
that are active in there, that do chat a lot

595
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:09.519
in there. We have created this this close knit community.

596
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:11.199
As a matter of fact, a few weeks ago, I

597
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:15.639
actually met with a few of my podcast friends who

598
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:19.480
are also at least no I believe all of them

599
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:23.199
are now also part of the tribe. And that was

600
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:26.960
just you know, this this beautiful gathering. One of the

601
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:29.679
guys absolutely loving, love him to death, robbed from this

602
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:34.280
organized productions. You know, he even has his he is

603
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:39.239
a staff created for himself and inscribed his name in

604
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:47.840
runik so rido oala bergana rob. He called his his car.

605
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:53.039
He's a he's a nomad actually, so he lives out

606
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:56.719
of his car, which is I mean respect, you know,

607
00:38:56.840 --> 00:39:01.320
leaving living the nomadic life. My five. That's a no,

608
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:04.039
not not even a fan. It's not even a fan,

609
00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:07.880
but it's it's similar to that. He's just yes, is

610
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:13.920
big ass falvo, like really really powerful powerful car fulvos,

611
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.719
you know, just I mean if you're tired of you know,

612
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:20.199
German medal by some Swedish techno, it's yeah, it's really good.

613
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:23.360
And he called his car Regnar because he also he

614
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:26.800
is this like I already predicted that he was going

615
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:28.559
to be bigger than me, and he's like, you know,

616
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.800
he's half a half a hat bigger than that I am.

617
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:35.639
And he's strong. He's also this this true Viking I

618
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:37.920
was it was just it was a great, great get

619
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:41.280
together and I I always encourage that with our members

620
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:43.840
as well. You know, whether you're you know, you live

621
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:47.199
here in the Netherlands or or Germany or States, or

622
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:49.320
you could be you could be a Kiwi, you know

623
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.320
from New Zealand. For for all I care nowadays, you know,

624
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:57.079
it's these it's those those personal or in person meetups

625
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:03.800
that are so incredibly import That's why I try to

626
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:07.000
to join a lot of a lot of rituals as well.

627
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:11.039
I I recently actually joined a kind of a ritual

628
00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:17.159
slash therapy kind of thing, breath ritual breath circle like

629
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:23.039
right here in my hometown actually, like I don't know,

630
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.559
and and the end of the street here pretty much

631
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:33.320
because you know, it's you're you're still part of a

632
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:36.440
of a larger community. And also with the tribe, we

633
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.360
you know, we're we're friends. We're in contact with a

634
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:47.920
lot of other communities as well, especially the the bush

635
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:54.880
Whisperer shaman shaman living in South Africa, really a Eastern

636
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:59.320
spiritual shaman. He does a a round table every every Saturday,

637
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:01.800
and a lot of from members you know, join or

638
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:06.119
or have joined on on that roundtable. And I think

639
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:08.559
that is also, you know, very important that as a

640
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:12.000
as a community, as a tribe, you know, connect with

641
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.480
with others as well, connect with other you know, other tribes,

642
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:19.639
other spiritual communities, other pagan communities, because like that is

643
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:23.159
it's it's a you know, a very human thing to do.

644
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:28.559
Of course, we're always looking for for that connection, and

645
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:30.880
I mean from from all the other groups like you

646
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:33.960
can learn as well, and you know, maybe some of

647
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.719
your members will join them, some of their members will

648
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:40.119
will join you. And there's always this this interplay, this

649
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:43.880
this interaction between the tribes and communities, and most of

650
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:46.719
them that we do engage with regularly you can also

651
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.599
find on on our website. I'd always try to promote

652
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:53.360
the others as well that I am, I'm very well

653
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:57.719
befriended with. And yeah, I hope to join a ritual again.

654
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:02.840
In September, we just had the Midsummer Fest, of course,

655
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:08.440
which I joined at it. I mean technically it's an

656
00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:13.920
open air museum geared towards like Dutch history, but they

657
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:17.280
do a lot of these these amazing events which attract

658
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:19.920
a whole lot of people from all different walks of life,

659
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:24.519
and you know, from Pagans to you know, the the

660
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:28.480
spiritual and lighten people to I mean nothing bad about them,

661
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.079
but you know Larper's live action role players who are

662
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:33.360
just in it for quite liberally, you know, the fun

663
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:36.440
and games, you know, all the power to them, they're

664
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:39.760
still in a way, you know, still harnessing the energy,

665
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:42.280
harnessing the power. Is just it's roleplay for them, which

666
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:44.599
is cool. Something that they do on the weekends and

667
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:48.079
that they can lose themselves in. That's you know, it's amazing.

668
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:52.480
That's see. Even that is a good gateway like to

669
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:56.960
the actual thing, like from the weekends to always really.

670
00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:02.280
What are the holidays and that's such a you know,

671
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:05.000
if we want to clone holidays, it's just a placeholder.

672
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:09.920
So what you know, what would be the things that

673
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:16.639
you guys, Yeah, holidays, the celebration ritual time, celebrations, Yeah.

674
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:21.480
I mean ritual times is really you know, anytime. Yeah,

675
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:26.800
let's see, like we have the the four Big Ones

676
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:34.000
of course, which is the celebration of the the coming

677
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:37.599
back of nature, the spring equinox, which is on the

678
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:43.320
twenty first of March or anywhere between the let's say

679
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:46.719
the twentieth two to twenty third. It's usually like a

680
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:49.320
three day window and we go by the by the

681
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:54.400
moon cycles, so it's usually either like from the first

682
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:57.880
full moon or the first new moon, kind of depending,

683
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.360
so like the day after the day of, or the

684
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:03.039
day before, the day off and the day after, because

685
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:06.119
it's in that three day period when when the moon

686
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:08.559
when nature is you know, and it's at its strongest,

687
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:12.159
when the energies are most powerful. You know, if you

688
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:14.559
feel like doing a ritual, if you feel like asking

689
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.679
the divine however you you want to call it, however

690
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:20.039
you wish to see it, if you want to ask,

691
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:24.000
it's for something like do it on those days like

692
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:30.320
success pretty much guaranteed we have, which is of course

693
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.800
also very important. What what I just mentioned, what we

694
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:39.320
just had Midsummer, which is you know, when when we've

695
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:43.800
had when we're on the the halfway point of of

696
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:48.039
the year, it's from Midsummer that the days become shorter

697
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:50.880
again and the nights become longer again. It is the

698
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:58.760
you know, the darkness again winning or partially temporary temporarily

699
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:06.000
winning over the light. It is you know, it is night. Yeah, yeah,

700
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:10.679
it's you know, it's Balder returning to Hellheim, it's Persephone

701
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:17.480
returning back to Hades. Then we have suren's that's really

702
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:20.760
the the Celtic name, but my wife as Celtic lineages,

703
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:24.480
so that's what we use. Better known as Halloween of course,

704
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:29.079
the spookiest time of year, but that is also because

705
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:32.679
that is when the the veil, let's say, between this

706
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:36.679
world and the next is thinnest, which you will see

707
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.880
in a lot of cultures, a lot of cultures think

708
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:42.960
I think the same things. Similarly, that's one of the

709
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:46.639
reasons why my my wife and her son, my my

710
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:50.079
steps on there are they're absolutely mad about the Disney

711
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:56.639
Pixar movie Coco because that portrays the the Theos Day

712
00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:58.880
of the Dead from from Mexico. It portrays it like

713
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:01.800
absolutely beautifully. So she also has a tendency to, you know,

714
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:04.719
call my altar my friend, and it's like, no, honey,

715
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:09.760
it's my altar, but sure whatever you like, hell of

716
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:12.320
you anyway. That is, you know, of course, very very important.

717
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.599
That is the Pagan New Year, if you will, having

718
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:18.559
New Years in December. If you look at it, you know,

719
00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:22.280
like astrologically and from the seasons and everything doesn't really

720
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:24.840
make sense. It's not really the end of anything, you know,

721
00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:27.199
like winter still continue goes on for like two months,

722
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:32.639
so we celebrate of course the winter equinox when like

723
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:37.639
slowly but surely the days are becoming longer again, which

724
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:41.000
is from the twenty first the twenty fourth of December.

725
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:46.440
Our Christmas, let's say, is Yule, which we celebrate from well,

726
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:49.719
we actually have like multiple days of Mule, you know,

727
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:52.320
the ten days of Christmas used to be the ten

728
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:56.519
Days of Yule. Even when it eventually turned into Christmas,

729
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:59.000
it was still like actually ten days that we celebrate

730
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.880
it just the two that we have now. But that

731
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:06.440
ends on the first full moon of January, which is

732
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:14.039
usually i want to say, in sixth of January, so

733
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:17.239
that is our our New Years.

734
00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:19.360
The name.

735
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:28.000
Well slips my mind, you'll you'll celebration and those are

736
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.920
really the the major ones. And then we you know,

737
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:34.480
of course, have like we very much go by the

738
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:37.360
moon cycle, so you know, with the full moon, the

739
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:41.960
new moon, the harvest moon. We tend to to want

740
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:50.719
to do you know, bigger, more more important rituals, if

741
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:53.760
you will, so you know, if a if we want

742
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:58.039
something new, or if we need more more guidance on

743
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:03.159
a particular thing, if we're going through a you know,

744
00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:07.760
especially a hard time, you know, we try to, you know,

745
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:13.320
do a ritual and ask the gods for for a favor,

746
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:18.960
ask the gods for for guidance on those loon days,

747
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:21.960
on those those those bigger days.

748
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:26.320
Something that that's studying, I would say lately, is this

749
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:30.760
concept of the thirteen months and a year by well,

750
00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:33.840
the lunar, the lunar calendar, and it seems like the

751
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:37.599
most natural thing, right it is how how we how

752
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:42.760
we've as a world, and not every society subscribes to

753
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.840
the calendar that we follow here in the West, but

754
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:51.440
how we went from and that's what I'll call it

755
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:54.159
the most natural calendar that there is, which is the

756
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:57.639
lunar calendar, in my opinion, And I get a lot

757
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:00.800
of flat for that, but whatever the rest of it's

758
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:04.519
kind of a human construct to an extent, right, not

759
00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:07.119
not all of it, but the lunar calendar makes a

760
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:10.599
lot of sense. I don't understand why, even like by

761
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:16.760
it biologically circadian wise, it's the most natural calendar there is.

762
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:22.280
Yeah, definitely, I mean especially for you know, for for

763
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.239
the women, especially you know, for the wives, they're they're

764
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:28.480
a menstrual cycle. I mean, you get there's a play

765
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:31.239
on words. You could call it the Moonstrael cycle because it,

766
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:38.119
you know, aligns well naturally. Sure, sure, you know the

767
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:40.760
the like I said, you know the three days, you know,

768
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:44.280
day before, day of day after, some somewhere in there,

769
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:48.039
or you know, in those those days, it usually lines up.

770
00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:49.920
And that's why I you know why I always like

771
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:54.199
that in the the older religions. You know, the sun

772
00:49:54.480 --> 00:50:00.039
is a very masculine type of energy. Well then the

773
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:05.360
boon is this, you know, this beautiful, beautiful feminine energy,

774
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:09.679
and it you know, it pretty it lines up. And yeah,

775
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:11.360
the thirteen month calendar.

776
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:16.760
Even the names, even the names line up with complete

777
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:19.440
change of the entire paradigm, right.

778
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:22.960
Yeah, you know in the Latin language that we still

779
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:24.719
use for for a lot of.

780
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:28.360
It's December, for example, would be the tenth month, not

781
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:31.519
actually you know, I mean just by those words.

782
00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:33.679
Right, yeah, it is October.

783
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:34.119
October day eight.

784
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:35.119
Yeah.

785
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.639
So even though we still kind of hold on to these,

786
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:42.320
even the days of the week are mostly pagan names, right.

787
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:48.800
They are like literally on Wednesday, it's it's Tuesday through

788
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:54.519
Friday that are literally named after Yeah, no after.

789
00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:58.320
I don't think people realize this. And one of the

790
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:01.159
things I mean again, I I told you we started

791
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:06.880
this off. You know, I've been studying I guess you

792
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:09.480
would call it pagan mythology since I was a kid.

793
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:13.559
But have you ever seen the show American Gods.

794
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:19.920
I have heard of it, I've not. I've not seen it,

795
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:22.159
nor have I ever read the book. I'm familiar with

796
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:26.199
the with the author and you gain. But I was just.

797
00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:29.320
The reason I use that as an example is because

798
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:33.519
the main character's name is mister Wednesday because it's their

799
00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:36.000
depiction of Odin, right.

800
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:39.360
So yeah, yeah, it's Wednesday, Woden's Day.

801
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:46.119
Yeah. Yeah, So I just thought i'd interject all that.

802
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:48.199
No, no, yet, it's still alive.

803
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:51.719
And what I mean, like the pagan the remnants of

804
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:56.079
pagan culture, religion, all of it, They're still very alive

805
00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:56.880
in our world.

806
00:51:56.920 --> 00:52:00.159
Even in Christianity. There is a lot of pagan and

807
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:03.960
a lot of pagan customs to to be found. I always,

808
00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:06.800
I always get a lot of the ship for saying this,

809
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:10.599
but I'm sorry, it's true. Like you have the Trinity

810
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:13.599
for example, you know Father's on the Holy Ghost. It's

811
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.000
that's really it's a pagan thing. Like so many of

812
00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:20.000
our gods and our goddesses are part of a of

813
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:22.599
a trinity. You know, just three is it's one of

814
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:26.760
the the more more natural numbers. More three seven that

815
00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:30.000
there's a few of them, yeah, three, uh you know

816
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:32.079
three six nine. If you want to go by Tesla

817
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:40.280
actual Tesla, yeah, Nicola, yeah, yeah that guy. Absolutely you

818
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:45.719
are no, definitely not no. And and even you know,

819
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:50.039
the concept of Hell is trining an amalgamation between two

820
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:52.960
two pagan things, because we have a realm called Hell.

821
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:56.480
We have a realm called hellie it is the the underworlds.

822
00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:59.480
But it's not necessarily it's one of one of the

823
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:03.000
three l of Hell. Actually there go again. It's just

824
00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:06.000
it's a place where you go when you die a

825
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:11.119
let's say, unhonorable death, you know, dishonorable, just unhonorable, and

826
00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:14.599
like you die of old age or sickness or you

827
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:18.320
just go. That's when you end up in Hell or Hellheim.

828
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.679
And it's not this this terrible place, it's not this

829
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:28.280
this incredibly beautiful place either, but it's just it's it's there.

830
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:31.719
It's where your it's where your spirits, where your energy lives.

831
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:39.800
On's where your ancestors are. It's just, you know, it's

832
00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:43.159
just there. But then you know, the fire and brimstone,

833
00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:47.639
and you know fields of fire or lakes of fire. Sorry,

834
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:56.679
that's in my mind. That is really taken from got

835
00:53:56.679 --> 00:54:01.119
to say this right from Muspelheim. The realm of eternal fire,

836
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:06.639
the realm of of ancient fire that you know exists

837
00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:10.920
within Northern Northern mythology. It is one of the realms

838
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:15.079
that came together with Niffelheim, the realm of eternal eyes,

839
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:18.599
of ancestral ice, primordial that's that's the word I was

840
00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:22.480
looking for, primordial fire, primordial ice, the game together in

841
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:27.559
this realm gnunga gap, which is the Vesica Pisces, which

842
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:30.519
is representing of a whole lot of other things. Of course,

843
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:36.639
from that everything really emerged. You know, the first primordial

844
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:41.280
beings emerged in the primordial cow, the primordial ice ice giant.

845
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:43.840
You know, they've taken a lot of The Christian Church

846
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:46.599
has taken a lot of pagan elements and made it

847
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:49.320
their own. There even this is an example that I

848
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:52.800
always use, but because it's it's such a you know,

849
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:58.239
amazing example. The goddess, the Celtic goddess Bridget is now

850
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:04.079
a Catholic saint. They just kind of changed up her backstory,

851
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:10.039
so that now in some way a Celtic goddess was

852
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:12.800
involved with the birth of Christ.

853
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:18.119
There's so much of it that of the church. And

854
00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:22.360
that's what I'd like to say, the church so much

855
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:27.480
of well it could because that their competition. And if

856
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:29.760
you look at the church as a as a as

857
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:34.440
an entity, right or like a let's call it a business, right,

858
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:36.559
because that's what it is. If you look at it

859
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:39.559
as a business, then they have to compete with the

860
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:48.039
other business, which would be you know, pagan yea. And

861
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:52.559
with that then they have to co opt and twist

862
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:56.719
and turn things into their own lexicon so then they

863
00:55:56.719 --> 00:55:59.639
can get their followers to follow them. With that, it

864
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:01.920
makes it an easier transition, right.

865
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:06.079
So that that too, Yes, absolutely, and they and it's

866
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:09.119
you know good that you say the church like, I

867
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:13.800
definitely agree with that. I think Christianity as a religion,

868
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:16.119
as a as a spiritual path. That does this coming

869
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:18.239
from me as someone who's been on the pagan path

870
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:21.400
for you know, let's say fifteen years. I think Christianity

871
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:25.320
as a religion as a spiritual path, that Christ as

872
00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:32.840
a as a teacher. There is so much value to it.

873
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:37.280
It's such a it is such a beautiful mystery school.

874
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:43.320
It is you know, Christ was such a powerful, well

875
00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:50.280
mystic really is what he was, shaman even almost. But

876
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:54.840
it is the it is the Church. It is the

877
00:56:54.840 --> 00:57:00.360
the the dogma that you know, I have a haven't

878
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:05.800
aversion against. That's that's why you know, I said, like,

879
00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:08.800
I'm not one of those those Christian hating pagans. It's

880
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:11.760
what I've learned over time that there is really this

881
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:16.880
divide between between the religion, between the spiritual essence and

882
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:20.079
the church. And it is the Church indeed, that has

883
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:24.000
co opted so much. First of all, because it's kind

884
00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:28.639
of the funny they it couldn't. I mean, they they

885
00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:31.639
got a bit of a foothold of course in Germany

886
00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:37.559
and Scandinavia. But the people just started worshiping Christ alongside

887
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:40.800
the rest of the gods because you know, they heard

888
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:44.000
his story about you know, you know, his teachings and

889
00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:47.239
death and resurrection, and they were like, U sounds you know,

890
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:50.119
sounds like he's like a powerful god like we have.

891
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:53.119
You know, we have beings like like that as well.

892
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:55.920
He'll just you know, he'll fit right in. So they'd

893
00:57:55.960 --> 00:58:01.719
worship Jesus alongside Odin or alongsight for and then you know,

894
00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:04.119
the church saw that and was like, oh, hold up,

895
00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:08.440
what are you doing. We're worshiping Jesus, like you said,

896
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:11.880
sounds like a it sounds like a powerful god. Yep,

897
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:15.880
fit's right in No, no, no, no, you're supposed to just

898
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:21.039
worship him. Why that doesn't make any sense. So it

899
00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:23.800
didn't even it didn't click for them. You know, it's

900
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:27.000
like the only one. No, no, he's not the only one.

901
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.320
I mean, look aside, he's not the only one. Like literally,

902
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:32.440
we had the sun, we had the sky, the river, everything,

903
00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:35.679
Like you're telling me that it is like separate from

904
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:39.039
all of that, no way, So then they have to

905
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:42.519
had to play these these dirty tricks as well. You know,

906
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:47.400
like people who were declared outlaw, for example, the only

907
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:51.480
place that they were truly safe, truly safe from persecution

908
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:57.559
was in the church. So as an outlaw, as someone

909
00:58:57.559 --> 00:59:02.239
who was declared outlaw, you know, rule laws, doesn't you know,

910
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:06.840
it doesn't apply to you anymore. Just come into the church.

911
00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:10.159
You'll be safe here, you know, Like really those kind

912
00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:13.519
of dirty party tactics like and and it's it really

913
00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:17.480
it says a lot about the about the church as well,

914
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:20.079
and I want to really emphasize like the Church as

915
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:22.519
as an entity in and of itself. It says a

916
00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:25.960
lot that they have to lower themselves to those kind

917
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:28.960
of you know, kind of tactics of kind of those

918
00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:33.079
kind of dirty plays to you know, get the people

919
00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:36.559
to worship Christ and worship, you know, worship their God.

920
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:41.360
And like, yeah, I agree with with with our ancestors

921
00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:45.400
that you know, Jesus as as a mythological figure, as

922
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:48.920
a spiritual teacher, as a mystic, if fits right in

923
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:51.599
the pantheon, if it's right in as a ghaman, as

924
00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:55.960
a mystic, as a teacher, his teachings are beautiful, are

925
00:59:56.039 --> 01:00:00.559
are are wonderful, are definitely once that you know that

926
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:05.679
you should live by. But that's you know, as as

927
01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:08.159
a religion, that is, as a as a spiritual path.

928
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:11.559
I do believe that, Yeah, you know absolutely that works

929
01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:15.360
for you. Do it, But don't you know, don't give

930
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:18.360
your your energy, don't give your power to the church

931
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:22.920
because they are they're in it for themselves.

932
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:28.840
So kind of to wrap us up two things, So

933
01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:33.199
where do you want to take your tribe the podcast?

934
01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:35.360
Like what are your goals going forward?

935
01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:42.599
Well, first of all, I am really really working to

936
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:49.639
get my my YouTube channel monetized. I am that easy?

937
01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:53.440
Oh no, but I am. I am so I'm so close,

938
01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:59.239
Like at time of recording, i am at nine seventy

939
01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:03.920
eight seventy eight subscribers, so literally just twenty two or

940
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:08.239
to go. And that's that's just where I want to

941
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:10.760
take the channel. Where I want to to take the podcast, Like,

942
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:13.960
I'm putting so much time and effort and money into

943
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:16.280
it that you know, getting getting a little out of

944
01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:18.760
it as well would be would be nice. I'm not

945
01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:24.519
expecting to become rich from or through podcasting. That's not happening,

946
01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:24.840
of course.

947
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:28.320
I mean it can happen, but it's enorm.

948
01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:31.840
In the the pagan spiritual niche, it's it's a little

949
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:36.199
harder really, like I I'm no, I'm not Joe Rogan unfortunately.

950
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:38.920
And where I want to take the tribe. I've actually

951
01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:42.920
been in talks with someone that I met on another

952
01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:46.320
podcast that I am involved with at least I joined

953
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:48.960
in later across the pond, a couple of Brits and

954
01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:52.960
a duchy. It's a it's a good combo. He is

955
01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:57.159
part of a of a community that really managed to

956
01:01:57.199 --> 01:02:03.320
separate themselves from society, like they have their own like

957
01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:07.000
their own currency, which is basically just trade like bordering trades,

958
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:10.760
you know, item for item, service for service. They have

959
01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:14.599
their their own law enforcement, and they are really seeking

960
01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:17.960
to expand that. That is what I've been working on

961
01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:21.719
with me and a friend, like my right hand man

962
01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:25.360
within the tribe. We have been working to that for

963
01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:28.159
for a lot of years as well, to really make

964
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:32.559
the tribe its own, its own entity and to preferably

965
01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:38.119
have a place for ourselves at the very least independently

966
01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:43.519
from society. So now that I have found someone or

967
01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:46.440
have you know, I've managed to make contact with someone

968
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:49.400
who is part of a community like that I am

969
01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:53.800
working on and you know, talking about having the tribe

970
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:58.360
be be part of that community so that we may

971
01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:04.280
you know, one step closer to really be our own

972
01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:07.480
independent tribe. And that is also why I'm putting so

973
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:10.960
much effort into you know, into the podcast, into my channel,

974
01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:14.199
into the into the tribe as a whole. Like I

975
01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:17.960
have I've often said that I have, you know, two

976
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:20.960
full time jobs, one that I love, which is you know,

977
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:22.960
my channel, which is the podcast, and one that pays

978
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:26.480
the bills. Yes, and I would absolutely love to know

979
01:03:26.639 --> 01:03:29.079
if for the the full time job that I have

980
01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:31.920
that I love doing, which is podcasting, which is you know,

981
01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:36.360
creating content, which is you know, busying myself with the tribe,

982
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:39.760
I would love for that to pay my bills as well.

983
01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:44.119
And I am. I am getting closer every every week.

984
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:47.960
I am getting closer every every month. And I have

985
01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:53.239
well made a deal with myself really that I don't

986
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:56.320
stop until it is so and my cat seems to recreate,

987
01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:03.480
So yeah, that is That's really what I've been I've

988
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:07.519
been working on at least in private online kind of

989
01:04:07.519 --> 01:04:12.559
offline as well, by participating in no community events and

990
01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:17.119
community rituals, et cetera. I'm not just expending my my connections,

991
01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:21.079
but also you know, expending my mind, expending my own experiences,

992
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:26.519
and it's it's a lot of work, but I love

993
01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:30.840
doing it. And that's why I'm trying to to do

994
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:35.800
more guest spots on other podcasts as as well, especially

995
01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:38.239
now that to me, not everyone has to see that,

996
01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:42.159
thank you, especially now that you know I'm kind of

997
01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:46.440
like my my guests have kind of dried up at

998
01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:50.199
the at the moment, Like I have a full time job,

999
01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:54.119
I have two kids, two cats, this this being the

1000
01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:57.559
one that requires the most attention and most work. I

1001
01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:02.039
do love him, though I don't really have the time

1002
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:07.119
anymore to like actively go out and look for for guests,

1003
01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:09.800
et cetera. And also because I just I love telling

1004
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:13.320
my story. I love telling about my ancestors, about my path,

1005
01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:17.480
about the gods. I love chariot, I love storytelling. I mean,

1006
01:05:17.559 --> 01:05:19.360
I'm a pagan. It's what we what we do. We

1007
01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:22.920
are storytellers. So yeah, it's a it's a lot of

1008
01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:25.199
it's a lot of work, a lot of effort, a

1009
01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:29.119
lot of time, but I I love doing it and

1010
01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:32.719
I love you know, I love seeing the results, and

1011
01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:36.159
I'm not going to stop until I have the you know,

1012
01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:41.760
I've reached the desired results, and then I'm gonna keep

1013
01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:46.760
going to well to keep it like that and to

1014
01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:48.039
to further it, you know.

1015
01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:51.000
So again, tell everyone where they could find you.

1016
01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:52.920
For sure.

1017
01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:53.199
Yeah.

1018
01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:57.719
My my YouTube channel is YouTube dot com forward slash

1019
01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:02.079
at Stein Fox might use the name that you'll find everywhere,

1020
01:06:02.119 --> 01:06:04.639
that you'll find me everywhere. Main side for the Grand

1021
01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:10.559
Pagans is ww dot Grayhornpagans dot com on my channel

1022
01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:14.559
to podcasts, of course, the video podcasts. I do standalone

1023
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:19.679
videos every every Thursday. I try to do them every Thursday.

1024
01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:22.239
It's a lot of work, you know, because I do

1025
01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:26.559
narrate and added everything myself. It's a really a one

1026
01:06:26.599 --> 01:06:29.440
man show. Well, a friend of mine does narration every

1027
01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:32.119
now and then sometimes as well. He's starting to get

1028
01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:34.239
good at it. That saves me a couple hours narrating.

1029
01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:36.239
I just do the script and the editing. Then let's

1030
01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:39.400
see patreon dot com for Stays, Groan Pagans where you

1031
01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:42.840
can get of course early access to all the podcasts.

1032
01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:46.480
I have a book club on there as well. Currently

1033
01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:51.320
reading The Night Side of the Rooms, which is really interesting.

1034
01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:53.440
It's kind of more you know, the ruins, but the

1035
01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:58.119
from the the left hand path perspective, the night side,

1036
01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:02.360
which is a really fascinating perspective. Also kind of going

1037
01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:06.679
into how the the layout of the rooms as we

1038
01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:10.639
think we know it, you know futhark which is literally

1039
01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:14.639
the first letter of the rooms put together, that that

1040
01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:19.119
is not the right order, that it's actually and that

1041
01:07:19.239 --> 01:07:23.679
Fai who comes last. That was one of the chapters.

1042
01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:27.039
And when I read read through it and like kind

1043
01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:30.079
of you start to understand, and it was like, yeah,

1044
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:33.719
that is that makes a lot more more sense in

1045
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:37.559
this regard, and especially on the book club, I try

1046
01:07:37.639 --> 01:07:39.559
to I try to keep it pure, like I'm reading

1047
01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:42.719
it for the first time as I am recording it.

1048
01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:46.159
So everything that's like, all my reactions and all my

1049
01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:50.159
wonder and ahalla moments are not scripted. I know that

1050
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:53.320
you know a thing. Among YouTubers and influences, it's like

1051
01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:58.719
this is all so real and definitely not scripted. So

1052
01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:01.599
and I do pride myself on that that you know,

1053
01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:05.960
everything is, everything is genuine, Everything is like a true

1054
01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:10.000
interest of mine. And I'm just fortunate enough that you know,

1055
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:14.320
other people have the same same interests. So yeah, YouTube,

1056
01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:19.720
Stein Fox, Instagram, Great or Pagans, Tar Pagans, Guer Pagans Podcast.

1057
01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:23.520
Just look up Great Pagans and you'll you'll find us

1058
01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:27.439
who are really We're worthy, the true We're the true

1059
01:08:27.439 --> 01:08:32.720
gray worn greer or Pagan's, the true eclectic tribe of

1060
01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:35.279
of beings, of people, of souls.

1061
01:08:36.239 --> 01:08:38.199
Steinfergs, thanks for coming.

1062
01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:40.239
On, Thanks for having me.

1063
01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:43.239
Yeah, for sure, and we'll talk so.

1064
01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:51.760
Absolutely absolutely, He who controls the mind controls the war.

1065
01:08:53.439 --> 01:08:59.239
At first, he must silence the noise.

1066
01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:03.279
Straight from the catacombs where the scrolls was hidden. Whining

1067
01:09:03.399 --> 01:09:07.279
monks chat versus in the Watchman's risen broadcast to see

1068
01:09:07.479 --> 01:09:11.000
son it ain't just the show, It's a frequency shift

1069
01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:12.199
from the realm below.

1070
01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:15.039
The encryptis speech from the.

1071
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:19.079
Outer courts with the bloodline of kings and celestial reports.

1072
01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:22.359
God that for lum sack in a backpack word while

1073
01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:25.079
these reptile suits try to sense of the word.

1074
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:26.680
Yo, why step through.

1075
01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:29.920
Portals with the micas my torch, dropping sermons so raw

1076
01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:32.840
They send drunks to the porch. They sevel what I

1077
01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:36.840
spit can't silence the flame. God, angels and camera withing

1078
01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:40.479
crypti names were talking black ops and black robes, falling

1079
01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:43.479
stars with zip codes, temple scrolls and tom codst beasts

1080
01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:46.279
with ten horns and stealth mode from Mount Herman and

1081
01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:49.399
the Grand Canyon. Faults with a smith Sony and beveries

1082
01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:53.359
Humanity's faults. But we dig with the pins slight slides

1083
01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:56.199
with the flow, like Eblijah on the mountain when the

1084
01:09:56.199 --> 01:10:00.640
fire hit the show. Yo, this is spiritual warfare, stevery goo,

1085
01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:03.880
holy scripts flipping through the technicolor ferry goo.

1086
01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:06.399
No friction, just friction.

1087
01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:10.560
Between realms dropping bars like prophecy with Angelly Helm. So

1088
01:10:10.680 --> 01:10:13.880
when you soon in, just know what it is. It's

1089
01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:16.840
ancient world drums, not a podcast for kids. It's to

1090
01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:21.640
watch our gospel wrapped in grip broadcast. The seas were

1091
01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:26.079
the last ones. Legit, straight truth, no floor ride filter,

1092
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:29.560
ghost in the vares with the soul of a build up.

1093
01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:32.520
Welcome to the front lines, the kingdom cries out.

1094
01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:35.319
So grab your arm of your mic and cast a

1095
01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:36.760
doubt out down.

1096
01:10:37.520 --> 01:10:39.800
I want to select your homes and the tete species

1097
01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:43.920
Senator's prisons. It's water wicking tire Criwis crews